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Title: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Z the laidback Virus on January 13, 2006, 01:48:25 PM
Bush was on BBC World today and was talking about how dangerous Iran was for the safety of the United States, just how many nuclear weapons the Iranese allready had and loads of other insinuations and claims to make his listeners afraid of Iran.

Mark my words, in a few months there will be yet another war.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: J Bananas on January 13, 2006, 02:03:57 PM
we should start a money pool and bet when it's gonna pop off
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: 7even on January 13, 2006, 03:03:26 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: mauzip on January 13, 2006, 03:47:20 PM
November 1st.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 13, 2006, 03:48:14 PM
what ya talking about?  Iran IS a threat.  I don't know if bush is stupid to understand what's he up against..but iran is actually crazy..mainly because they ain't got nothing.  Our guys in iraqs are way to spread out...army is thin at this moment.  USA can't do shit at this moment.  The president of Iran was waiting for this opportunity.  Bush was too focus on one thing.  
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: J Bananas on January 13, 2006, 04:03:49 PM
November 1st.

damn nigga i was gonna say nov. 06!!! alright, late oct. 06
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 13, 2006, 04:08:47 PM
We don't even have the finances to handle another war. How's the weather in Canada lately?
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 13, 2006, 04:11:57 PM
We don't even have the finances to handle another war. How's the weather in Canada lately?

yeah..true that.  WE poor as hell now.  They probably increase more taxes...

they probably threating usa to bow to their their knees..hahah
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 13, 2006, 04:55:28 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 

Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: J Bananas on January 13, 2006, 05:06:41 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 




I agree with you totallly except for the allah bs. However, you cannot find ways to surpress what is our true nature. Caucasians have always been imperialistic and predatorial by nature because we have had to. When we were driven out of Africa we had to find our way thru Europe and Asia and encountered so many perils along the way that over so many generations it just became part of our nature. Since America is a white nation, it's no surprise we use our own fears and imperial ways to get ahead, it's what motivates us. I don't think there's any contemporary fix to our genetic traits, it will just be like that always. Telling Americans to stop their imperialistic fear motivated behavior like telling black people to sttop being poor and to get a job. it's just what has been created by our people before us.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 13, 2006, 05:19:52 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 




I agree with you totallly except for the allah bs. However, you cannot find ways to surpress what is our true nature. Caucasians have always been imperialistic and predatorial by nature because we have had to. When we were driven out of Africa we had to find our way thru Europe and Asia and encountered so many perils along the way that over so many generations it just became part of our nature. Since America is a white nation, it's no surprise we use our own fears and imperial ways to get ahead, it's what motivates us. I don't think there's any contemporary fix to our genetic traits, it will just be like that always. Telling Americans to stop their imperialistic fear motivated behavior like telling black people to sttop being poor and to get a job. it's just what has been created by our people before us.


So, are you saying it was older generations of black people's fault they many people are now in poor situation? I don't believe that it has to be "genetic" to live a better life.  Maybe they need to change by working harder than white guys.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: J Bananas on January 13, 2006, 05:25:57 PM
no  genetics arent really an excuse but yeah it is cuz of the older black generation they are in poverty, and i'm not blaming them, the whites put em thru slavery and had jim crow and did all types o fucked up shit to em, thats why it got passed down. plus before they took that little boat trip over here, they were just chillin in africa in a nice climate with plenty of natural resources n shit. their ppl werent used to fighting for survival and building castles and stuff. so all that history trickled down into what is the current black man.

and ur right, if they wanna get ahead, theyll have to beat the white guys, but most of em wont do it cuz they dont think its "fair".
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Real American on January 13, 2006, 05:59:25 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

So you think it is Ok for Iran to have nuclear weapons?

Remember, their president has already stated his wish to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth"........
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 13, 2006, 08:45:46 PM



I agree with you totallly except for the allah bs. However, you cannot find ways to surpress what is our true nature. Caucasians have always been imperialistic and predatorial by nature because we have had to. When we were driven out of Africa we had to find our way thru Europe and Asia and encountered so many perils along the way that over so many generations it just became part of our nature. Since America is a white nation, it's no surprise we use our own fears and imperial ways to get ahead, it's what motivates us. I don't think there's any contemporary fix to our genetic traits, it will just be like that always. Telling Americans to stop their imperialistic fear motivated behavior like telling black people to sttop being poor and to get a job. it's just what has been created by our people before us.

Malcolm X wrote in his letter from Mekkah, that the whites he encountered on Hajj were different than the whites in America.  So he suggested that the white man in America can change his ways by embracing Islam (the Oneness of God) and then he will begin to understand the Oneness of Man under God.

-And your second comment about black people exposes you as a racist, because you described it as being in their nature to be poor and lazy (not getting a job).  America was biult on the backs of the black man.  And Africa was rich before Western colonialism and American free trade agreements devalued their resources.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Real American on January 13, 2006, 08:52:27 PM

Malcolm X wrote in his letter from Mekkah, that the whites he encountered on Hajj were different than the whites in America.  So he suggested that the white man in America can change his ways by embracing Islam (the Oneness of God) and then he will begin to understand the Oneness of Man under God.


If only Muslims would change their ways and start treating people from other religions equally.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 13, 2006, 09:12:57 PM


If only Muslims would change their ways and start treating people from other religions equally.

How well has America been treating the Muslims in Iraq these days?  How many more Muslims were killed by American forces today in Iraq?  How many more Muslims went without electricity and clean water today in Iraq?  How many more Muslims had their resources stolen from them today in Iraq, and had to pay high gas prices because the oil is being stolen from them?

btw, The Qu'ran recognizes the religions of Christianity and Judaism and they are given the rights according to their respective books in an Islamic state.

Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 13, 2006, 09:28:55 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 




I agree with you totallly except for the allah bs. However, you cannot find ways to surpress what is our true nature. Caucasians have always been imperialistic and predatorial by nature because we have had to. When we were driven out of Africa we had to find our way thru Europe and Asia and encountered so many perils along the way that over so many generations it just became part of our nature. Since America is a white nation, it's no surprise we use our own fears and imperial ways to get ahead, it's what motivates us. I don't think there's any contemporary fix to our genetic traits, it will just be like that always. Telling Americans to stop their imperialistic fear motivated behavior like telling black people to sttop being poor and to get a job. it's just what has been created by our people before us.

lol @ this shit....ahah.,....caucosoids imperialistic nature lol
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 13, 2006, 09:46:53 PM
no  genetics arent really an excuse but yeah it is cuz of the older black generation they are in poverty, and i'm not blaming them, the whites put em thru slavery and had jim crow and did all types o fucked up shit to em, thats why it got passed down. plus before they took that little boat trip over here, they were just chillin in africa in a nice climate with plenty of natural resources n shit. their ppl werent used to fighting for survival and building castles and stuff. so all that history trickled down into what is the current black man.

and ur right, if they wanna get ahead, theyll have to beat the white guys, but most of em wont do it cuz they dont think its "fair".

"fair"..haha..lot of brothers that i know be lazy..hahahha
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: J Bananas on January 13, 2006, 11:57:40 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 




I agree with you totallly except for the allah bs. However, you cannot find ways to surpress what is our true nature. Caucasians have always been imperialistic and predatorial by nature because we have had to. When we were driven out of Africa we had to find our way thru Europe and Asia and encountered so many perils along the way that over so many generations it just became part of our nature. Since America is a white nation, it's no surprise we use our own fears and imperial ways to get ahead, it's what motivates us. I don't think there's any contemporary fix to our genetic traits, it will just be like that always. Telling Americans to stop their imperialistic fear motivated behavior like telling black people to sttop being poor and to get a job. it's just what has been created by our people before us.

lol @ this shit....ahah.,....caucosoids imperialistic nature lol

don't hate cuz you a bhorat awkward muthafucka who got the short end of the stick genetically




and bryan, stop with this exposed racist shit, this isnt the oj trial i'm not some pussy who's gonna buy into that
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 14, 2006, 09:03:21 AM



and bryan, stop with this exposed racist shit, this isnt the oj trial i'm not some pussy who's gonna buy into that

I'm not asking you to buy anything.  I was pointing out your prejudice to the rest of the forum, so if they haven't already taken you for what you are, they will now.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: dexter on January 14, 2006, 09:49:12 AM
Within 18 months the US will attack IRAN Maybe ISRAEL TOO.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Z the laidback Virus on January 14, 2006, 10:04:32 AM
umm..Dexter, are you saying the US will make war on Israel or that Israel will make war on Iran?

Because if you are actually saying the US will attack Israel, I'm gonna laugh for a moment here.


hahahahahahhahahahahahaha
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: J Bananas on January 14, 2006, 12:00:04 PM



and bryan, stop with this exposed racist shit, this isnt the oj trial i'm not some pussy who's gonna buy into that

I'm not asking you to buy anything.  I was pointing out your prejudice to the rest of the forum, so if they haven't already taken you for what you are, they will now.

fuck you! I'm stating the physical truths of the evolution of humans, all you do is spout bullshit about how allah sees everything when u know goddamn well that ur wrong. It's not racism, it's just the way the world developed, it's not fair but that's why we have so many problems. fuck you and your bullshit logic which will never work in the real world.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: virtuoso on January 14, 2006, 01:14:42 PM

Let me ask this, we all know there is a lot of bullshit here, i.e. the CIA says Iran is over 10 years away from being able to make a nuke, then this is immediately dismissed by Mossad who insist its a matter of months away......cast your minds back to the 45 minute claim in Iraq to smell the bs on that one. However, the powers are just itching for a reason to massacre and destroy another country in the middle east, so why is the Iranian president now so vocal in his defiance not to mention his stance on Israel? is he just insane? or is he yet another stooge who has been put into power to cause this and will surprise surprise evacuate before any attacks?
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 14, 2006, 05:48:23 PM

Let me ask this, we all know there is a lot of bullshit here, i.e. the CIA says Iran is over 10 years away from being able to make a nuke, then this is immediately dismissed by Mossad who insist its a matter of months away......cast your minds back to the 45 minute claim in Iraq to smell the bs on that one. However, the powers are just itching for a reason to massacre and destroy another country in the middle east, so why is the Iranian president now so vocal in his defiance not to mention his stance on Israel? is he just insane? or is he yet another stooge who has been put into power to cause this and will surprise surprise evacuate before any attacks?

I don't know man.  Who knows what the real deal is.  Maybe just propagenda..or whatever.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mo Z. Dizzle on January 14, 2006, 07:05:20 PM

Let me ask this, we all know there is a lot of bullshit here, i.e. the CIA says Iran is over 10 years away from being able to make a nuke, then this is immediately dismissed by Mossad who insist its a matter of months away......cast your minds back to the 45 minute claim in Iraq to smell the bs on that one. However, the powers are just itching for a reason to massacre and destroy another country in the middle east, so why is the Iranian president now so vocal in his defiance not to mention his stance on Israel? is he just insane? or is he yet another stooge who has been put into power to cause this and will surprise surprise evacuate before any attacks?

I don't know man.  Who knows what the real deal is.  Maybe just propagenda..or whatever.

i think wut hez tryna do is show the US he is not afraid of em and he won't et them run Iran...basicallly an ego thing being portrayed on a higher scale
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 14, 2006, 11:24:27 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 




I agree with you totallly except for the allah bs. However, you cannot find ways to surpress what is our true nature. Caucasians have always been imperialistic and predatorial by nature because we have had to. When we were driven out of Africa we had to find our way thru Europe and Asia and encountered so many perils along the way that over so many generations it just became part of our nature. Since America is a white nation, it's no surprise we use our own fears and imperial ways to get ahead, it's what motivates us. I don't think there's any contemporary fix to our genetic traits, it will just be like that always. Telling Americans to stop their imperialistic fear motivated behavior like telling black people to sttop being poor and to get a job. it's just what has been created by our people before us.

lol @ this shit....ahah.,....caucosoids imperialistic nature lol

don't hate cuz you a bhorat awkward muthafucka who got the short end of the stick genetically


what kind of faggety ass response is this?
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 15, 2006, 12:41:31 PM

Let me ask this, we all know there is a lot of bullshit here, i.e. the CIA says Iran is over 10 years away from being able to make a nuke, then this is immediately dismissed by Mossad who insist its a matter of months away......cast your minds back to the 45 minute claim in Iraq to smell the bs on that one. However, the powers are just itching for a reason to massacre and destroy another country in the middle east, so why is the Iranian president now so vocal in his defiance not to mention his stance on Israel? is he just insane? or is he yet another stooge who has been put into power to cause this and will surprise surprise evacuate before any attacks?

I don't know man.  Who knows what the real deal is.  Maybe just propagenda..or whatever.

it does matter if he's not afraid.  If he stands by with what he said..he will nuke.  And president of u.S.. better do something about it before his term is up.

i think wut hez tryna do is show the US he is not afraid of em and he won't et them run Iran...basicallly an ego thing being portrayed on a higher scale
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: nibs on January 15, 2006, 06:53:19 PM
what ya talking about?  Iran IS a threat.  I don't know if bush is stupid to understand what's he up against..but iran is actually crazy..mainly because they ain't got nothing.  Our guys in iraqs are way to spread out...army is thin at this moment.  USA can't do shit at this moment.  The president of Iran was waiting for this opportunity.  Bush was too focus on one thing.  

the u.s.a. could still bomb the shit out of iran.  atleast take out any nuclear reactor sites, and nuclear research related targets.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Mr. O on January 16, 2006, 12:43:18 AM
eh...just bomb them all...and blame that iran president for being an asshole.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: EARNERTON on January 17, 2006, 07:03:22 AM
north korea is trying to develop nukes and from my understanding has nukes aswelll, I might be wrong, but you know, sometime last year or the year before they made threats against the US, the US goverment didn't do anything, Korea barks an shouts at the US goverment all day everyday, they(the US goverment) don't do nothing, Iran lets UN inspectors do ramdom checks on there nuclear facilities because Iran wants to see about how effective nuclear energy is for ecomonic reasons the whole world goes crazy, loses there minds, why, because Iran has oil an Korea dosen't, the president of Iran shouldn't have said all that crazy shit, an the holocaust did happen, but this isn't about any of those things, its about imperialism an neo colianialism, you see what I'm saying, the plans to take over Iraq an Iran's oil was mapped out a long time ago by the neo cons an those type of people, 9'11 was there excuse for Bush an Cheney(an the rest of their friends in the oil industry an the haliburton types of people, who Bush an Cheney represent) to, you know, implement those plans, you know, that was there excuse for Iraq, phantom wmd, al queda's linked wit sadamm an so an so on which everybody knows is bogus, now Irans presidents, I mean you've got to big up Iran for not backing down to the systems bully boy tactics, but you know, even still, those crazy rantings is giving them an excuse to switch on Iran an take there oil, you know, heres a little sumthin, sumthin breaking it down a little further...

The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target:
The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker
by William Clark
www.globalresearch.ca      27 October 2004
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html


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The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.

 

In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795

Madison’s words of wisdom should be carefully considered by the American people and world community. The rapidly deteriorating situation on the ground in Iraq portends an even direr situation for American soldiers and the People of the world community - should the Bush administration pursue their strategy regarding Iran. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran’s nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian "petroeuro system" for oil trade. Similar to the Iraq war, upcoming operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of the `petrodollar recycling’ and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.

It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam’s long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining control over Iraq’s hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintaining the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004 statements by former administration insiders revealed that the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein. Indeed, the neoconservative strategy of installing a pro-U.S. government in Baghdad along with multiple U.S. military bases was partly designed to thwart further momentum within OPEC towards a "petroeuro." However, subsequent events show this strategy to be fundamentally flawed, with Iran moving forward towards a petroeuro system for international oil trades, while Russia discusses this option.

Candidly stated, ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. puppet in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military bases before the onset of Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. [1] In 2003 the global community witnessed a combination of petrodollar warfare and oil depletion warfare. The majority of the world’s governments – especially the E.U., Russia and China - were not amused – and neither are the U.S. soldiers who are currently stationed in Iraq.

Indeed, the author’s original pre-war hypothesis was validated shortly after the war in a Financial Times article dated June 5th, 2003, which confirmed Iraqi oil sales returning to the international markets were once again denominated in US dollars, not euros. Not surprisingly, this detail was never mentioned in the five US major media conglomerates who appear to censor this type of information, but confirmation of this vital fact provides insight into one of the crucial - yet overlooked - rationales for 2003 the Iraq war.

"The tender, for which bids are due by June 10, switches the transaction back to dollars -- the international currency of oil sales - despite the greenback's recent fall in value. Saddam Hussein in 2000 insisted Iraq's oil be sold for euros, a political move, but one that improved Iraq's recent earnings thanks to the rise in the value of the euro against the dollar." [2]

Unfortunately, it has become clear that yet another manufactured war, or some type of ill-advised covert operation is inevitable under President George W. Bush, should he win the 2004 Presidential Election. Numerous news reports over the past several months have revealed that the neoconservatives are quietly - but actively - planning for the second petrodollar war, this time against Iran.

"Deep in the Pentagon, admirals and generals are updating plans for possible U.S. military action in Syria and Iran. The Defense Department unit responsible for military planning for the two troublesome countries is "busier than ever," an administration official says. Some Bush advisers characterize the work as merely an effort to revise routine plans the Pentagon maintains for all contingencies in light of the Iraq war. More skittish bureaucrats say the updates are accompanied by a revived campaign by administration conservatives and neocons for more hard-line U.S. policies toward the countries"…"Even hard-liners acknowledge that given the U.S. military commitment in Iraq, a U.S. attack on either country would be an unlikely last resort; covert action of some kind is the favored route for Washington hard-liners who want regime change in Damascus and Tehran."

"…administration hawks are pinning their hopes on regime change in Tehran - by covert means, preferably, but by force of arms if necessary. Papers on the idea have circulated inside the administration, mostly labeled "draft" or "working draft" to evade congressional subpoena powers and the Freedom of Information Act. Informed sources say the memos echo the administration's abortive Iraq strategy: oust the existing regime, swiftly install a pro-U.S. government in its place (extracting the new regime's promise to renounce any nuclear ambitions) and get out. This daredevil scheme horrifies U.S. military leaders, and there's no evidence that it has won any backers at the cabinet level." [3]

To date, one of the more difficult technical obstacles concerning a euro-based oil transaction trading system is the lack of a euro-denominated oil pricing standard, or oil ‘marker’ as it is referred to in the industry. The three current oil markers are U.S. dollar denominated, which include the West Texas Intermediate crude (WTI), Norway Brent crude, and the UAE Dubai crude. However, since the spring of 2003, Iran has required payments in the euro currency for its European and Asian/ACU exports - although the oil pricing for trades are still denominated in the dollar. [4]

Therefore, a potentially significant news development was reported in June 2004 announcing Iran’s intentions to create of an Iranian oil Bourse. (The word "bourse" refers to a stock exchange for securities trading, and is derived from the French stock exchange in Paris, the Federation Internationale des Bourses de Valeurs.) This announcement portended competition would arise between the Iranian oil bourse and London’s International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), as well as the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX). It should be noted that both the IPE and NYMEX are owned by U.S. corporations.

The macroeconomic implications of a successful Iranian Bourse are noteworthy. Considering that Iran has switched to the euro for its oil payments from E.U. and ACU customers, it would be logical to assume the proposed Iranian Bourse will usher in a fourth crude oil marker – denominated in the euro currency. Such a development would remove the main technical obstacle for a broad-based petroeuro system for international oil trades. From a purely economic and monetary perspective, a petroeuro system is a logical development given that the European Union imports more oil from OPEC producers than does the U.S., and the E.U. accounts for 45% of imports into the Middle East (2002 data).

Acknowledging that many of the oil contracts for Iran and Saudi Arabia are linked to the United Kingdom’s Brent crude marker, the Iranian bourse could create a significant shift in the flow of international commerce into the Middle East. If Iran’s bourse becomes a successful alternative for oil trades, it would challenge the hegemony currently enjoyed by the financial centers in both London (IPE) and New York (NYMEX), a factor not overlooked in the following article:

"Iran is to launch an oil trading market for Middle East and OPEC producers that could threaten the supremacy of London's International Petroleum Exchange."

"…He [Mr. Asemipour] played down the dangers that the new exchange could eventually pose for the IPE or Nymex, saying he hoped they might be able to cooperate in some way."

"…Some industry experts have warned the Iranians and other OPEC producers that western exchanges are controlled by big financial and oil corporations, which have a vested interest in market volatility.

The IPE, bought in 2001 by a consortium that includes BP, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, was unwilling to discuss the Iranian move yesterday. "We would not have any comment to make on it at this stage," said an IPE spokeswoman. "[5]

It is unclear at the time of writing, if this project will be successful, or could it prompt overt or covert U.S. interventions - thereby signaling the second phase of petrodollar warfare in the Middle East. News articles in June 2004 revealed the discredited neoconservative sycophant Ahmed Chalabi may have revealed his knowledge to Iran regarding U.S. military planning for operations against that nation.

"The reason for the US breakup with Ahmed Chalabi, the Shiite Iraqi politician, could be his leak of Pentagon plans to invade Iran before Christmas 2005, but the American government has not changed its objective, and the attack could happen earlier if president George W. Bush is re-elected, or later if John Kerry is sworn in."

"….Diplomats said Chalabi was alerted to the Pentagon plans and in the process of trying to learn more to tell the Iranians, he invited suspicions of US officials, who subsequently got the Iraqi police to raid the compound of his Iraqi National Congress on 20 May 2004, leading to a final break up of relations."

"While the US is uncertain how much of the attack plans were leaked to Iran, it could change some of the invasion tactics, but the broad parameters would be kept intact." [6]

Regardless of the potential U.S. response to an Iranian petroeuro system, the emergence of an oil exchange market in the Middle East is not entirely surprising given the domestic peaking and decline of oil exports in the U.S. and U.K, in comparison to the remaining oil reserves in Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. According to Mohammad Javad Asemipour, an advisor to Iran’s oil ministry and the individual responsible for this project, this new oil exchange is scheduled to begin oil trading in March 2005.

"Asemipour said the platform should be trading crude, natural gas and petrochemicals by the start of the new Iranian year, which falls on March 21, 2005.

He said other members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries - Iran is the producer group's second-largest producer behind Saudi Arabia - as well as oil producers from the Caspian region would eventually participate in the exchange." [7]

(Note: the most recent Iranian news report from October 5, 2004 stated: "Iran's oil bourse will start trading by early 2006" which suggests a delay from the original March 21, 2005 target date). [8] Additionally, according to the following report, Saudi investors may be interested in participating in the Iranian oil exchange market, further illustrating why petrodollar hegemony is becoming unsustainable.

"Chris Cook, who previously worked for the IPE and now offers consultancy services to markets through Partnerships Consulting LLP in London, commented: "Post-9/11, there has also been an interest in the project from the Saudis, who weren't interested in participating before."

"Others familiar with Iran's economy said since 9/11, Saudi Arabian investors are opting to invest in Iran rather than traditional western markets as the kingdom's relations with the U.S. have weakened Iran's oil ministry has made no secret of its eagerness to attract much needed foreign investment in its energy sector and broaden its choice of oil buyers."

"…Along with several other members of OPEC, Iranian oil officials believe crude trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange and the IPE is controlled by the oil majors and big financial companies, who benefit from market volatility."[9]

One of the Federal Reserve’s nightmares may begin to unfold in 2005 or 2006, when it appears international buyers will have a choice of buying a barrel of oil for $50 dollars on the NYMEX and IPE - or purchase a barrel of oil for €37 - €40 euros via the Iranian Bourse. This assumes the euro maintains its current 20-25% appreciated value relative to the dollar - and assumes that some sort of "intervention" is not undertaken against Iran. The upcoming bourse will introduce petrodollar versus petroeuro currency hedging, and fundamentally new dynamics to the biggest market in the world - global oil and gas trades

During an important speech in April 2002, Mr. Javad Yarjani, an OPEC executive, described three pivotal events that would facilitate an OPEC transition to euros. [10] He stated this would be based on (1) if and when Norway's Brent crude is re-dominated in euros, (2) if and when the U.K. adopts the euro, and (3) whether or not the euro gains parity valuation relative to the dollar, and the EU’s proposed expansion plans were successful. (Note: Both of the later two criteria have transpired: the euro’s valuation has been above the dollar since late 2002, and the euro-based E.U. enlarged in May 2004 from 12 to 22 countries). In the meantime, the United Kingdom remains uncomfortably juxtaposed between the financial interests of the U.S. banking nexus (New York/Washington) and the E.U. financial centers (Paris/Frankfurt).

The implementation of the proposed Iranian oil Bourse (exchange) in 2005/2006 – if successful in utilizing the euro as its oil transaction currency standard – essentially negates the necessity of the previous two criteria as described by Mr. Yarjani regarding the solidification of a "petroeuro" system for international oil trades. [10] It should also be noted that during 2003-2004 Russia and China have both increased their central bank holdings of the euro currency, which appears to be a coordinated move to facilitate the anticipated ascendance of the euro as a second World Reserve currency. [11] [12] In the meantime, the United Kingdom is uncomfortable juxtaposed between the financial interests of the U.S. (New York/Washington) banking nexus and that of the E.U. financial center (Paris/Frankfurt).

The immediate question for Americans? Will the neoconservatives attempt to intervene covertly and/or overtly in Iran during 2005 in an effort to prevent the formation of a euro-denominated crude oil pricing mechanism? Commentators in India are quite correct in their assessment that a U.S. intervention in Iran is likely to prove disastrous for the United States, making matters much worse regarding international terrorism, not to the mention potential effects on the U.S. economy.

"The giving up on the terror war while Iran invasion plans are drawn up makes no sense, especially since the previous invasion and current occupation of Iraq has further fuelled Al-Qaeda terrorism after 9/11."

"…It is obvious that sucked into Iraq, the US has limited military manpower left to combat the Al-Qaeda elsewhere in the Middle East and South Central Asia,"…"and NATO is so seriously cross with America that it hesitates to provides troops in Iraq, and no other country is willing to bail out America outside its immediate allies like Britain, Italy, Australia and Japan."

"….If it [U.S.] intervenes again, it is absolutely certain it will not be able to improve the situation – Iraq shows America has not the depth or patience to create a new civil society – and will only make matters worse."

"There is a better way, as the constructive engagement of Libya’s Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has shown…."Iran is obviously a more complex case than Libya, because power resides in the clergy, and Iran has not been entirely transparent about its nuclear programme, but the sensible way is to take it gently, and nudge it to moderation. Regime change will only worsen global Islamist terror, and in any case, Saudi Arabia is a fitter case for democratic intervention, if at all." [13]

It is abundantly clear that a 2nd Bush term will bring a confrontation and possible war with Iran during 2005. Colin Powell as the Secretary of the State, has moderated neoconservative military designs regarding Iran, but Powell has stated that he will be leaving at the end of Bush’s first term. Of course if John Kerry wins in November, he might pursue a similar military strategy. However, it is my opinion that Kerry is more likely to pursue multilateral negotiations regarding the Iranian issues.

Clearly, there are numerous risks regarding neoconservative strategy towards Iran. First, unlike Iraq, Iran has a robust military capability. Secondly, a repeat of any "Shock and Awe" tactics is not advisable given that Iran has installed sophisticated anti-ship missiles on the Island of Abu Musa, and therefore controls the critical Strait of Hormuz. [14] In the case of a U.S. attack, a shut down of the Strait of Hormuz – where all of the Persian Gulf bound oil tankers must pass – could easily trigger a market panic with oil prices skyrocketing to $100 per barrel or more. World oil production is now flat out, and a major interruption would escalate oil prices to a level that would set off a global Depression. Why are the neoconservatives willing to takes such risks? Simply stated - their goal is U.S. global domination.

A successful Iranian bourse would solidify the petroeuro as an alternative oil transaction currency, and thereby end the petrodollar's hegemonic status as the monopoly oil currency. Therefore, a graduated approach is needed to avoid precipitous U.S. economic dislocations. Multilateral compromise with the EU and OPEC regarding oil currency is certainly preferable to an ‘Operation Iranian Freedom,’ or perhaps an attempted CIA-sponsored repeat of the 1953 Iranian coup – operation "Ajax" part II. [15] Indeed, there are very good reasons for U.S. military leaders to be "horrified" at the thought of a second Bush term in which Cheney and the neoconservatives would be unrestrained in their tragic pursuit of U.S. global domination.

"NEWSWEEK has learned that the CIA and DIA have war-gamed the likely consequences of a U.S. pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. No one liked the outcome. As an Air Force source tells it, "The war games were unsuccessful at preventing the conflict from escalating." [16]

Despite the impressive power of the U.S. military and the ability of our intelligence agencies to facilitate "interventions," it would be perilous and possibly ruinous for the U.S to intervene in Iran given the dire situation in Iraq. The Monterey Institute of International Studies provided an extensive analysis of the possible consequences of a preemptive attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities and warned of the following:

"Considering the extensive financial and national policy investment Iran has committed to its nuclear projects, it is almost certain that an attack by Israel or the United States would result in immediate retaliation. A likely scenario includes an immediate Iranian missile counterattack on Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf, followed by a very serious effort to destabilize Iraq and foment all-out confrontation between the United States and Iraq's Shi'i majority. Iran could also opt to destabilize Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states with a significant Shi'i population, and induce Lebanese Hizbullah to launch a series of rocket attacks on Northern Israel."

"…An attack on Iranian nuclear facilities…could have various adverse effects on U.S. interests in the Middle East and the world. Most important, in the absence of evidence of an Iranian illegal nuclear program, an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities by the U.S. or Israel would be likely to strengthen Iran's international stature and reduce the threat of international sanctions against Iran. Such an event is more likely to embolden and expand Iran's nuclear aspirations and capabilities in the long term"…"one thing is for certain, it would not be just another Osirak. " [17]

Synopsis

Regardless of whatever choice the U.S. electorate makes in the upcoming Presidential Election a military expedition may still go ahead.

This essay was written out of my own patriotic duty in an effort to inform Americans of the challenges that lie ahead. On November 25, 2004, the issues involving Iran's nuclear program will be addressed by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and possibly referred to the U.N. Security Council if the results are unsatisfactory. Regardless of the IAEA findings, it appears increasingly likely the U.S. will use the specter of nuclear weapon proliferation as a pretext for an intervention, similar to the fears invoked in the previous WMD campaign regarding Iraq.

Pentagon sources confirm the Bush administration could undertake a desperate military strategy to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions while simultaneously attempting to prevent the Iranian oil Bourse from initiating a euro-based system for oil trades. The later would require forced "regime change" and the U.S. occupation of Iran. Obviously this would require a military draft. Objectively speaking, the post-war debacle in Iraq has clearly shown that such Imperial policies will be a catastrophic failure. Alternatively, perhaps a more enlightened U.S. administration could undertake multilateral negotiations with the EU and OPEC regarding a dual oil-currency system, in conjunction with global monetary reform. Either way, U.S. policy makers will soon face two difficult choices: monetary compromise or continued petrodollar warfare.

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."

- Abraham Lincoln

"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."

- Thomas Jefferson

 


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References:

[1] "Revisited - The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War with Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth," January 2003 (updated January 2004) http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

[2] Hoyos, Carol & Morrison, Kevin, "Iraq returns to the international oil market," Financial Times, June 5, 2003 http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FINANCIAL%20TIMES_Iraq%20returns%20to%20international%20oil%20market.htm

[3] "War-Gaming the Mullahs: The U.S. weighs the price of a pre-emptive strike," Newsweek, September 27 issue, 2004. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6039135/site/newsweek/

[4] Shivkumar, C., "Iran offers oil to Asian union on easier terms," The Hindu Business Line (June 16, 2003). http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2003/06/17/stories/2003061702380500.htm

[5] Macalister, Terry, "Iran takes on west's control of oil trading," The [UK] Guardian, June 16, 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1239644,00.html

[6] "US to invade Iran before 2005 Christmas," News Insight: Public Affairs Magazine, June 9, 2004 http://www.newsinsight.net/nati2.asp?recno=2789

[7] "Iran Eyes Deal on Oil Bourse; IPE Chairman Visits Tehran," Rigzone.com (July 8, 2004) http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=14588

[8] "Iran's oil bourse expects to start by early 2006," Reuters, October 5, 2004 http://www.iranoilgas.com

[9] "Iran Eyes Deal on Oil Bourse, IPE Chairman Visits Tehran," ibid.

[10] "The Choice of Currency for the Denomination of the Oil Bill," Speech given by Javad Yarjani, Head of OPEC's Petroleum Market Analysis Dept, on The International Role of the Euro (Invited by the Spanish Minister of Economic Affairs during Spain's Presidency of the EU) (April 14, 2002, Oviedo, Spain)
http://www.opec.org/NewsInfo/Speeches/sp2002/spAraqueSpainApr14.htm

[11] Russia shifts to euro as foreign currency reserves soar," AFP, June 9, 2003
http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7214-3.cfm

[12] "China to diversify foreign exchange reserves," China Business Weekly, May 8, 2004 http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/08/content_328744.htm

[13] "Terror & regime change: Any US invasion of Iran will have terrible consequences," News Insight: Public Affairs Magazine, June 11, 2004 http://www.indiareacts.com/archivedebates/nat2.asp?recno=908&ctg=World

[14] Analysis of Abu Musa Island, www.globalsecurity.org http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/abu-musa.htm

[15] J.W. Smith, "Destabilizing a Newly-Free Iran," The Institute for Economic Democracy, 2003 http://www.ied.info/books/why/control.html

[16] "War-Gaming the Mullahs: The U.S. weighs the price of a pre-emptive strike," ibid.

[17] Salama, Sammy and Ruster, Karen,"A Preemptive Attack on Iran's Nuclear Facilities: Possible Consequences," Monterry Institute of International Studies, August 12, 2004 (updated September 9, 2004) http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

[18] Philips, Peter, "Censored 2004," Project Censored, Seven Stories Press, (2003) http://www.projectcensored.org/

Story #19: U.S. Dollar vs. the Euro: Another Reason for the Invasion of Iraq http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/19.html

 

William Clark is the author of an award-winning essay published online in early 2003 entitled: 'The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War with Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth.’

 http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html , also published by Global Research at http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA302A.html This essay received a 2003 ‘Project Censored’ award, and was published in the book, Censored 2004) [18] This pre-war essay hypothesized that Saddam sealed his fate when he announced in September 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for oil being sold under the UN’s oil-for-food program, and switch to the euro as Iraq’s oil export transaction currency.


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Note: Below is a description of this author’s upcoming book: (Available spring 2005.)

Petrodollar Warfare
Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar
William Clark

The invasion of Iraq may well be remembered as the first oil currency war. Far from being a response to 9-11 terrorism or Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, Petrodollar Warfare argues that the invasion was precipitated by two converging phenomena: the imminent peak in global oil production, and the ascendance of the euro currency.

Energy analysts agree that world oil supplies are about to peak, after which there will be a steady decline in supplies of oil. Iraq, possessing the world's second largest oil reserves, was therefore already a target of U.S. geostrategic interests. Together with the fact that Iraq had switched its oil transaction currency to euros -- rather than U.S. dollars -- the Bush administration's unreported aim was to prevent further OPEC momentum in favor of the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency standard.

Meticulously researched, Petrodollar Warfare examines U.S. dollar hegemony and the unsustainable macroeconomics of 'petrodollar recycling,' pointing out that the issues underlying the Iraq war also apply to geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and other countries including the European Union (E.U.), Iran, Venezuela, and Russia. The author warns that without changing course, the American Experiment will end the way all empires end - with military over-extension and subsequent economic decline. He recommends the multilateral pursuit of both energy and monetary reforms within a United Nations framework to create a more balanced global energy and monetary system thereby reducing the possibility of future oil-depletion and oil currency-related warfare.

A sober call for an end to aggressive U.S. unilateralism, Petrodollar Warfare is a unique contribution to the debate about the future global political economy.


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Title: tough talk from israel
Post by: nibs on January 17, 2006, 12:06:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/17/olmert.iran/index.html

Quote
Israeli PM says Iran must not acquire nuclear weapons

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- As Israeli diplomats departed for Russia on Tuesday to discuss deep concerns about Iran's nuclear facilities, acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the Jewish state cannot allow Tehran to acquire nuclear weapons under any circumstances.


Iran's Islamic government recently broke seals on its nuclear facilities and said it will resume research for civilian nuclear power purposes. International leaders fear Iran will use its nuclear technology to develop weapons.

"Under no circumstances, and at no point, can Israel allow anyone with these kinds of malicious designs against us [to] have control of weapons of destruction that can threaten our existence," Olmert said at a Tuesday news conference.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Israeli officials have said they hope to use diplomacy to diffuse any possible nuclear crisis with Iran, and only to use military force as a last resort. An Israeli attack ordered by Prime Minister Menachem Begin in 1981 destroyed a nuclear reactor in Iraq.

Olmert is acting as Israel's leader as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon remains hospitalized in a coma following a massive stroke January 4. Medical experts have said it is unlikely that he will be able to return to his duties, even if he survives. (Full story)

Israeli conservative Likud party leader Benjamin Netanyahu, a possible political rival of Olmert's, said this month that Iranian nuclear weapons would be "dangerous to Israel and dangerous, in fact, to the world. And I think we have to find ways -- which could include diplomatic and other ways -- to prevent that from happening."

President Bush, after discussing the situation Friday during a White House meeting with Germany's newly elected chancellor, said, "The current president of Iran has announced that the destruction of Israel is an important part of their agenda, and that's unacceptable. And the development of a nuclear weapon, it seems like to me, would make him a step closer to achieving that objective."


Iran's announcement that it would restart its nuclear program has prompted Britain, France and Germany to call for an emergency meeting next month of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency. Iran had been following a two-year suspension while it conducted talks with the European countries. (Full story)
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: nibs on January 17, 2006, 12:25:51 PM
you know, even still, those crazy rantings is giving them an excuse to switch on Iran an take there oil, you know, heres a little sumthin, sumthin breaking it down a little further...

that's a pretty interesting article.  my biggest problem with the petrodollars/petroeuros argument is that why wouldn't the eu be fully behind iran (and iraq) if their actions were good for the eu and the euro?

is the u.s. basically bullying the eu on this matter?  why isn't petroeuros a huge story in the eu nations?  it doesn't seem to be.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: 7even on January 17, 2006, 01:13:40 PM
i know that the US fucking Iraq up was bad for Germany economically cause that's where we got major parts of our god damn oil from.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: dexter on January 24, 2006, 08:01:51 AM
Within 18 months the US will attack IRAN Maybe ISRAEL TOO.
Bush is Evil
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: #11 on January 24, 2006, 03:43:23 PM
This is from the Associated Press

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — The Iraqi cleric who once led two uprisings against U.S. forces said Sunday that his militia would help to defend Iran if it is attacked, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Muqtada al-Sadr, speaking on the sidelines of a meeting with the top Iranian nuclear negotiator, said his Mahdi Army was formed to defend Islam.

"If neighboring Islamic countries, including Iran, become the target of attacks, we will support them," al-Sadr was quoted as saying. "The Mahdi Army is beyond the Iraqi army. It was established to defend Islam."

The comments could be seen as a message that Tehran has allies who could make things difficult for U.S. forces in the region if Iran's nuclear facilities are attacked.

Al-Sadr has a large following among Iraq's young and impoverished Shiites. His militia launched two uprisings against U.S. troops in Iraq in 2004, but since the fighting ended he has transformed himself into a respected political figure. Al-Sadr's followers now hold 21 seats in the outgoing parliament as well as three Cabinet posts.

Al-Sadr's backing of Iran, a Shiite majority nation, follows a hint from Israel's defense minister that the Jewish state was preparing for military action to stop Iran's nuclear program. A few days earlier, French President Jacques Chirac said France could respond with nuclear weapons against any state-sponsored terror attack. The comments were seen by some as a reference to Iran.

"I don't see any threat against Iran," Iran's nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, said after meeting with al-Sadr. "Iran is big and strong and it is a hard target."

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman said earlier Sunday that Israel would be making a "fatal mistake" should it resort to military action. Iran has warned that Israel was living in a "glass house" and was well within Iran's missile range.
An upgraded version of Iran's Shahab-3 missile has a range of over 1,240 miles, putting Israel and U.S. forces in the Middle East in range.

Iran's resumption of its atomic research program earlier this month caused an international standoff over its nuclear ambitions.

Some Western nations fear Iran is using its civilian nuclear program as a cover to develop an atomic bomb. Iran insists it wants only peaceful nuclear energy.

http://www.syracuse.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-28/1137981258217000.xml&storylist=international


SO if israel or the us does attack iran, we'll see what happens. on a side note, u guys dont think that china and russia are just going to allow the us to attack iran right?? considering north korea has been blackmailing the world for years "give us food and we wont make nukes" one has to wonder just how full of shit the us government is.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Ðøšïå on January 24, 2006, 09:53:06 PM
whats new?  ::)
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: dexter on February 04, 2006, 09:48:42 AM
war is near
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: coola on February 04, 2006, 11:34:54 AM
this is some depressing shit.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: Suffice on February 09, 2006, 04:12:20 PM
Invading Iran would be the worst mistake in the history of the United States. There are other ways to FUck up Iran. For example, they could create tensions between Iran and other Muslim countries and make them fight each other. I don't feel like going into technicalities right now, but that would be the only rational thing to do
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: jay-dizzoggg on February 10, 2006, 04:28:10 AM
i`m sure that iran would use their atomic weapons just to clean out israel...



and thats not bad
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: acbaylove on February 18, 2006, 11:50:05 AM
This time i doubt Bush will have some support from Europe.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: big mat on February 18, 2006, 01:37:51 PM
i dont think war is the solution cuz 80 % of the population is under 30 years old and is for a reformist governement in which they're would be no religion and would be elected. The president of this country is just a facade, the real boss is the ayatholla, i dont remember his name but he got all the powers and he also have a veto over everything. i think a revolution is coming in this country.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: #11 on February 19, 2006, 11:45:59 AM
i dont think war is the solution cuz 80 % of the population is under 30 years old and is for a reformist governement in which they're would be no religion and would be elected. The president of this country is just a facade, the real boss is the ayatholla, i dont remember his name but he got all the powers and he also have a veto over everything. i think a revolution is coming in this country.

revolution as in overthrowing the ayatolla? or revolution as in being more strict?
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: BuddenzNasir on February 19, 2006, 09:22:21 PM
to sum it ALL up....its just fucking dumb....Iran wouldnt attack Israel just so it can bring war upon itself...and whats point of USA attacking Iran? cuz they "will have nukes within months when CIA says 10 years? better yet, jus who gives a fuck...all this tension is just going to lead to the end of the world......its comming.....watch..the draft is next...all this crazi shit will start happening...we r all fucked =D hurray.

im jk, im tired...but seriously...USA acting like the over seeir of EVERYONE is kinda dumb...but wuteva.
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: dexter on February 28, 2006, 07:21:31 AM
i`m sure that iran would use their atomic weapons just to clean out israel...



and thats not bad

WHAT?
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: dexter on April 15, 2006, 10:09:15 AM
Within 18 months the US will attack IRAN Maybe ISRAEL TOO.

TRUE!
Title: Re: War in Iran is coming
Post by: dexter on May 05, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
LMAO@the same lies working just few years after again


people are dumb as hell

Word.  Bottom line, American's need to stop imposing on themselves this culture of fear.  America spends more than 500 Billion on National defense, more than any other country, and still American's just can never feel safe enough.  First they feared the Indians, then the African Americans, then the Communists, and now they fear Muslims. 

The media is promoting a culture of fear, it is good for business, it sells newspapers and TV time.  It also is good war propaganda and it boosts war morale, so the government and media are in bed with eachother on this issue.  It's the whole system of order and chaos that the government uses to their advantage.  The more they can inspire fear in people, the more people are willing to give up their freedoms and demand greater government control.  It's so bad in this country, that it's now to the point where people don't even know their own nieghbors, they are scared of their own nieghbors, alot of the kids these days just sit around and talk about porn in internet chatrooms.  They don't get out and experience life anymore.  Americans are afraid to travel abroad.

This culture of fear is bad for the soul.  Becuase Allah is the creator of all things and all conditions.  There is no Creator but Allah.  He created the condition of fear.  There is nothing to fear but Allah. 


True ^^^