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Title: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: J Bananas on January 13, 2006, 05:11:34 PM
Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act

By Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse
1-13-6

George Bush wants to create the new criminal of "disruptor" who can be jailed for the crime of "disruptive behavior." A "little-noticed provision" in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of "disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics."

The Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with "breaching security" and to charge for "entering a restricted area" which is "where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting." In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.

Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse's diary:

Who is the "disruptor"? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by criticizing his policies. A disruptor is also a person who interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush when he is speaking at a press conference or during an interview.

What are the parameters of the crime of "disruptive behavior"? The dictionary defines "disruptive" as "characterized by unrest or disorder or insubordination." The American Medical Association defines disruptive behavior as a "style of interaction" with people that interferes with patient care, and can include behavior such as "foul language; rude, loud or offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family members."

What are the rules of engagement for "disruptors"? Some Bush Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.

(1) People perceived as disruptors may be preemptively ejected from events before engaging in any disruptive conduct.

In the beginning of this war against disruptors, Americans were ejected from taxpayer funded events where Bush was speaking. At first the events were campaign rallies during the election, and then the disruptor ejectment policy was expanded to include Bush's post election campaign-style events on public policy issues on his agenda, such as informing the public on medicare reform and the like. If people drove to the event in a car with a bumper sticker that criticized Bush's policies or wore T-shirts with similar criticism, they were disruptors who could be ejected from the taxpayer event even before they engaged in any disruptive behavior. White House press secretary McClellan defended such ejectments as a proper preemptive strike against persons who may disrupt an event: "If we think people are coming to the event to disrupt it, obviously, they're going to be asked to leave."

(2) Bush Team may check its vast array of databanks to cull out those persons who it deems having "disruptor" potential and then blacklist those persons from events.

The White House even has a list of persons it deems could be "disruptive" to an eventand then blacklists those persons from attending taxpayer funded events where Bush speaks. Sounds like Bush not only has the power to unilaterally designate people as "enemy combatants" in the global "war on terror," but to unilaterally designate Americans as "disruptive" in the domestic war against free speech.

(3) The use of surveillance, monitoring and legal actions against disruptors.

Bush's war against disruptors was then elevated to surveillance, monitoring, and legal actions against disruptor organizations. The FBI conducts political surveillance and obtains intelligence filed in its database on Bush administration critics , such as civil rights groups (e.g., ACLU), antiwar protest groups (e.g., United for Peace and Justice) and environmental groups (e.g., Greenpeace).

This surveillance of American citizens exercising their constitutional rights has been done under the pretext of counterterrorism activities surrounding protests of the Iraq war and the Republican National Convention. The FBI maintains it does not have the intent to monitor political activities and that its surveillance and intelligence gathering is "intended to prevent disruptive and criminal activity at demonstrations, not to quell free speech."

Surveillance of potential disruptors then graduated to legal actions as a preemptive strike against potential disruptive behavior at public events. In addition to monitoring and surveillance of legal groups and legal activities, the FBI issued subpoenas for members to appear before grand juries based on the FBI's "intent" to prevent "disruptive convention protests." The Justice Dept. opened a criminal investigation and subpoenaed records of Internet messages posted by Bush`s critics. And, the Justice Dept. even indicted Greenpeace for a protest that was so lame the federal judge threw out the case.

So now the Patriot Act, which was argued before enactment as a measure to fight foreign terrorists, is being amended to make clear that it also applies to American citizens who have the audacity to disrupt President Bush wherever his bubble may travel. If this provision is enacted into law, then Bush will have a law upon which to expand the type of people who constitute disruptors and the type of activities that constitute disruptive activities. And, then throw them all in jail. Under Patriot Act

By Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse
1-13-6

George Bush wants to create the new criminal of "disruptor" who can be jailed for the crime of "disruptive behavior." A "little-noticed provision" in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of "disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics."

The Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with "breaching security" and to charge for "entering a restricted area" which is "where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting." In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.

Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse's diary:

Who is the "disruptor"? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by criticizing his policies. A disruptor is also a person who interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush when he is speaking at a press conference or during an interview.

What are the parameters of the crime of "disruptive behavior"? The dictionary defines "disruptive" as "characterized by unrest or disorder or insubordination." The American Medical Association defines disruptive behavior as a "style of interaction" with people that interferes with patient care, and can include behavior such as "foul language; rude, loud or offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family members."

What are the rules of engagement for "disruptors"? Some Bush Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.

(1) People perceived as disruptors may be preemptively ejected from events before engaging in any disruptive conduct.

In the beginning of this war against disruptors, Americans were ejected from taxpayer funded events where Bush was speaking. At first the events were campaign rallies during the election, and then the disruptor ejectment policy was expanded to include Bush's post election campaign-style events on public policy issues on his agenda, such as informing the public on medicare reform and the like. If people drove to the event in a car with a bumper sticker that criticized Bush's policies or wore T-shirts with similar criticism, they were disruptors who could be ejected from the taxpayer event even before they engaged in any disruptive behavior. White House press secretary McClellan defended such ejectments as a proper preemptive strike against persons who may disrupt an event: "If we think people are coming to the event to disrupt it, obviously, they're going to be asked to leave."

(2) Bush Team may check its vast array of databanks to cull out those persons who it deems having "disruptor" potential and then blacklist those persons from events.

The White House even has a list of persons it deems could be "disruptive" to an eventand then blacklists those persons from attending taxpayer funded events where Bush speaks. Sounds like Bush not only has the power to unilaterally designate people as "enemy combatants" in the global "war on terror," but to unilaterally designate Americans as "disruptive" in the domestic war against free speech.

(3) The use of surveillance, monitoring and legal actions against disruptors.

Bush's war against disruptors was then elevated to surveillance, monitoring, and legal actions against disruptor organizations. The FBI conducts political surveillance and obtains intelligence filed in its database on Bush administration critics , such as civil rights groups (e.g., ACLU), antiwar protest groups (e.g., United for Peace and Justice) and environmental groups (e.g., Greenpeace).
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: Mr. O on January 13, 2006, 05:15:50 PM
this is bullshit.  I don't care about him no more.  He just dictating us like hitler with all his mumble jumble crap.  He is a dictator.
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Post by: dexter on January 14, 2006, 09:35:37 AM
is that REAL?  ???
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: 7even on January 14, 2006, 09:37:16 AM
Are people still wondering how come nobody stopped Hitler?
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Post by: Z the laidback Virus on January 14, 2006, 12:09:14 PM
And this man is fighting wars to spread democracy and free speech?

Mark my words. Bush will find a way to illegalise the Democrats. In fact, it is not a far stretch from what we have here. By the political views that distinguish Democrats from Republicans they can all be called disruptive and jailed. End of the opposition.

I'm sure that Bush will also find a way to make it possible for presidents to stay in power for more then 8 years and he will use that right to the fullest. He might also increase his own power by doing what Hitler did, announce crisis and silence the opposition,to have his own people declare him absolute power for a number of years,which will be extended when that period comes to and end.

'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: 7even on January 14, 2006, 12:12:31 PM
Americans remember, in the long run Germany got fucked because of Hitler's politics.. the first 8 years were good tho.. Bush ruled for how long? Like 5-6 years? It's all going down man.

So far the biggest difference between Hitler and Bush is honesty. Hitler was honest, Bush is not.
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: J Bananas on January 14, 2006, 12:13:50 PM
hopefully there will be enough real patriots to fight back against the government once this nazi fuck gets out of control
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: 7even on January 14, 2006, 12:24:30 PM
e grösser die Lüge, desto mehr Menschen folgen ihr
= The bigger the lie, the more people will follow you

Die breite Masse ist blind und dumm, und weiss nicht, was sie tut
= The masses are blind and dumb, and they don't know what they do

Die Gegner werfen uns Nationalsozialisten vor, und mir insbesonders, dass wir intolerante, unverträgliche Menschen seien. Wir wollten, sagen sie, mit anderen Parteien nicht arbeiten. Ich habe hier eines zu erklären: die Herren haben ganz recht, wir sind intolerant. Ich habe mir ein Ziel gestellt: nämlich die 30 Parteien aus Deutschland hinauszufegen.
= The opposition says we are intolerant, obnoxious human beings. They say we don't want to cooperate with them. I have one thing to declare: they are right, we ARE intolerant. I have one goal: eliminate all other parties of Germany.

Die Menschen werden jede Lüge glauben, vorausgesetzt sie ist groß genug.
= People will believe any lie, as long as it's big enough.

Those are things Hitler said in public BEFORE he was elected.
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: virtuoso on January 14, 2006, 01:09:31 PM

With respect you are making a mistake that countless people always make, saying its bush this bush that. In reality Bush is a puppet, the real evil at the core of the republicans is Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheny, Pat Roberts, Carl Rove etc. For as long as you keep believing that all of this is down to one man, then the real powers will never be stopped. Also don't overlook who controls the poltiicians anyway, the major corporations
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: 7even on January 14, 2006, 01:11:27 PM
Take the puppet away from the ventriloquist and he will shut the fuck up.
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Post by: virtuoso on January 14, 2006, 01:16:14 PM

Then another puppet will take his place and people will blindly and naively believe that when a new president is elected that everything will be rosey. Its always these shadowy figures who are the power.
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Post by: Rampant on January 14, 2006, 02:42:12 PM
why doesnt he just impose martial law, then he can stay in power for as long as he wants.
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Post by: Sikotic™ on January 14, 2006, 02:55:29 PM
Some people would love this. If you say something negatively about Bush's policies and make a good point, then some religious nut looks at you like you're the KGB & call you unpatirotic.
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: Z the laidback Virus on January 15, 2006, 04:22:52 AM
I hope everyone understands this means the Democrats will be illegal. Being the opposition,they should criticise Republican plans. If that becomes illegal, the US have basically become a one-party state.

I agree that the corporations are the real people with power, but I'm sure most if not all of them are Republican at heart and would surely benefit from a dictatorship by the Republican Party, personificated by the person of Bush.
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Post by: Mr. O on January 15, 2006, 12:38:58 PM
is that REAL?  ???
yes...he's playing the game called, "everything is okay, folks."
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Post by: Crown on January 16, 2006, 10:00:59 PM
Bush is the Evil Sith Lord..
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Post by: Don Jacob on January 19, 2006, 10:11:55 AM
this against the constitution, you can't criminalize people for simply protesting
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Post by: dexter on January 19, 2006, 10:22:16 AM
Bush is illegal
He's also A TOKEN!
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Post by: herpes on January 19, 2006, 01:29:35 PM
this against the constitution, you can't criminalize people for simply protesting

giulani did it in nyc when her was mayor.  He made illegal to protest of the steps of city hall.
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Post by: white Boy on January 19, 2006, 01:40:53 PM
fucking unbelievable.
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Post by: dexter on January 21, 2006, 06:48:36 AM
this against the constitution, you can't criminalize people for simply protesting

giulani did it in nyc when her was mayor.  He made illegal to protest of the steps of city hall.
The Right are Commie Bastards!
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: virtuoso on January 21, 2006, 08:20:24 AM

Within the area surrounded Parliament here in England, they have created free speech zones. If I protest within a 2 mile radius of parliament I will be arrested. Also within these free speech zones you first jave to apply for permission for the metropolitan police force about the nature of the protest. They have the right to refuse you permission to protest. This is sick and this is so called democracy and yet most people here in England are apathetic fools who just don't care.  ???
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Post by: Real American on January 21, 2006, 12:18:06 PM
^^^^^^^^^

England also has a surveillance system that can track every car in the country....
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Post by: virtuoso on January 21, 2006, 01:43:47 PM

See when you sub divide like that your missing the point. Its not a case of oh your country does this and that other country does that!. Yes your right england does, its bizarre being monitored everywhere and anywhere you go, but dont bo so naive and ignorant they (the government and corporations) want exactly the same control over U.S citizens. This is a complicit collusions between the governments of the so called civilised world to create complete control under the guise of protecting us, and protecting "minority groups". Thats another thing these bitches are telling us. your freedom of speech is fine but it must be responsible in other words dont say something which might offend. As we all know its a contradiction you cant have free speech but not be allowed to say something which might offend lol. However again people just dont seem to give a shit, I swear they want to be goldfish in their next life, or as they like being guinea pig so much, perhaps a real guinea pig would be even better suited to them.
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Post by: virtuoso on January 21, 2006, 02:02:46 PM

Furthermore since you label yourself a real american, these erosions of civil liberties in america should be horrifying to you as it makes a mockery of your constitution. Actually its illegal in itself as it tears up the constitution spitting all over it
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Post by: Mr. O on January 21, 2006, 02:28:38 PM
THe point is fuck Bush with his statement "i'll protect the Americans against the terrorism."
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: virtuoso on January 21, 2006, 02:30:38 PM

Yes exactly.....or more generally fuck these crooks who give themselves the name of the government
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Post by: Mr. O on January 21, 2006, 02:37:22 PM
is more like, "i'm going to take your life away."
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Post by: Dubz on January 21, 2006, 03:28:14 PM
fuck bush and the rest of his crooked-ass uppity fucking posse. this is some saddam hussein 2.0 shit. has this dude ever heard of a thing called freedom of speec?
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: Mr. O on January 21, 2006, 04:41:33 PM
fuck bush and the rest of his crooked-ass uppity fucking posse. this is some saddam hussein 2.0 shit. has this dude ever heard of a thing called freedom of speec?
saddam 2.0 hahaha
Title: Re: Bush To Criminalize Protesters Under Patriot Act...Fuck
Post by: dexter on January 23, 2006, 07:23:42 AM

Furthermore since you label yourself a real american, these erosions of civil liberties in america should be horrifying to you as it makes a mockery of your constitution. Actually its illegal in itself as it tears up the constitution spitting all over it
EXACTLY
Bush is a Dictator