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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: $do11a biLL$ on February 03, 2006, 01:49:34 PM
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The New York Knicks have acquired Toronto Raptors guard/forward Jalen Rose and a first-round pick in exchange for power forward Antonio Davis, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith reports.
Davis was a likely target to be traded because of his expiring contract.
The Knicks have lost nine of their last 10 games.
Davis, who played for Toronto for four-plus seasons from 1999-2003, served a five-game suspension after going into the stands in Chicago during a confrontation between his wife, Kendra, and a fan. Davis played for the Bulls for 1½ seasons after being acquired from the Raptors.
The 37-year-old Davis, who spent the first six seasons of his career with the Indiana Pacers, was averaging just 5.0 points and 4.8 rebounds in 36 games for the Knicks.
Rose, who turned 33 on Monday, is averaging 12.1 points -- his lowest mark since 1998-99 with the Pacers -- and 2.8 rebounds in 46 contests.
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I can see Davis for Rose but why throw in a 1st rd pick? It's not worth it.
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Is this a joke? What the hell are the Raptors thinking? Why would they give up a first round pick?
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First round pick > J.Rose + A.Davis combined. So the Knicks won.
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yeah that's what i'm sayin, i don't understand the first round pick, it 's going to make the knicks better in the long run though, and it'll hurt the raptors
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I feel sorry for you Raptor fans. If they can't re-sign Bosh they might not even be able to replace him through the draft.
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raps head office is straight up sad. first they give up carter for basically no one and now they toss in a first round pick like its nuttin. IMO they underutilized rose as well. i hope CB4 leaves T.O. so we can see how good he really is.
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i predict the toronto raptures will soon become the cinncinati/jacksonville/pittsberg/richmond/des moins/ montpierre/ hatford/albany/buffalo or lansing raptors
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it was a salary dump pretty much. this way, toronto can free up minutes for joey graham and charlie V and they dont have to pay jalen 17 million next season. They can use that 17 mil to resign Mike James. BTW, I guarantee all you guys that Bosh will resign with Toronto. Just wait and see.
Jalen Rose isnt doing shit for the Raptors, sure hes a big name, but hes the most overpaid player in the NBA and his numbers this year suck. Do you guys realize Jalen Rose makes more money than Vince Carter does?
Great move for Toronto, Im surprised they actualy got rid of Rose and his contract. Not at all suprised it was the Knicks who agreed to take him.
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i liked the trade for different reasons:
first off itll clear salary; they can hopefully sign a couple of players wit that money
secondly wit rose gon, the raps can giv charlie v and joey graham more time to play
next, Davis has experience at center, an area where the Raps need help
as for the draft pick, that one does hurt a bit; but it came from Denver, who will most likely make the playoffs so theyd prolly use that pick near the end of the first round
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Davis prolly wont even play they just did that trade to clear cap space to sighn james, bosh etc
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
how can people in charge be so DAMN DUMB? im much smarter than those guys, it's not fair that Im broke while those morons make trades like that.
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Not at all suprised it was the Knicks who agreed to take him.
So true.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
how can people in charge be so DAMN DUMB? im much smarter than those guys, it's not fair that Im broke while those morons make trades like that.
well start by explaining why you WOULDNT have made the trade.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
how can people in charge be so DAMN DUMB? im much smarter than those guys, it's not fair that Im broke while those morons make trades like that.
well start by explaining why you WOULDNT have made the trade.
Antonio Davis aint no fucking factor. He's like oldest fuck in the NBA. Why would you do it? WHY? A first pick means alot to the raptors, cause they will get an early pick, and look where they got Bosh (who you love so much) from. Plus even tho Rose is an overpaid fuck, he's still better than Davis. As far as I know, his contract expires after this season, so it's not like this can be about salary cap to (re-)sign other players.
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i liked the trade for different reasons:
first off itll clear salary; they can hopefully sign a couple of players wit that money
secondly wit rose gon, the raps can giv charlie v and joey graham more time to play
next, Davis has experience at center, an area where the Raps need help
as for the draft pick, that one does hurt a bit; but it came from Denver, who will most likely make the playoffs so theyd prolly use that pick near the end of the first round
Good points. But a first round draft pick? Damn. Denver better have a real good record by the end of the season.
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This trade looks like it has no sense from both sides, honestly. The Raptors said last Tuesday, after they traded Aaron Williams for 2 draft picks “We are a team in transition and need to play our young guys”. Ok mr. Embry. Then why you traded Jalen Rose and a fucking first round draft pick for a 37 years old guy? Basically they acquired Antonio Davis and two 2nd round draft picks (1 from Miami) for Jalen Rose, Aaron Williams and a 1st round draft pick (Denver's one). Fucked up. About the Knicks, like PLANT said, another 17 millions contract to add in the mix. Woa!
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This trade looks like it has no sense from both sides, honestly. The Raptors said last Tuesday, after they traded Aaron Williams for 2 draft picks “We are a team in transition and need to play our young guys”. Ok mr. Embry. Then why you traded Jalen Rose and a fucking first round draft pick for a 37 years old guy? Basically they acquired Antonio Davis and two 2nd round draft picks (1 from Miami) for Jalen Rose, Aaron Williams and a 1st round draft pick (Denver's one). Fucked up. About the Knicks, like PLANT said, another 17 millions contract to add in the mix. Woa!
Because the raps aren't going to keep antonio davis in the off season. If they didn't make the trade they'd keep rose for about 2 years. The raps have 3 players that can opt out of their contract in the offseason even if they stay the raps will only be paying 36M to it's players. 24M if they all opt out. So finecally this is excllent and antonio is history in the offseason.
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Yeah, even tho Toronto is giving away the draft pick, it will most likely be a late first round pick because Denver will prolly make the playoffs.
On another note, it was a sad game tonight in Toronto. The Raps beat the knicks and Jalen had to sit on the Knicks bench in his own house. The crowd gave Jalen a standing ovation after the game and all the Raptors were giving him props. Morris Peterson hit a buzzer beater at one point and pointed at Jalen. It was crazy at the ACC tonight. Bosh had 29 Points and Mike James had 16 points & 10 assists.
Even tho I think the trade was a good move for Toronto, Im going to miss seeing Jalen in the media and in a Raps uniform.
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Its a good move for the Knicks.
we addressed our biggest need: Small Foward. We have guys like Ariza, Woods, Lee playing SF when they arent ready yet for heavy minutes
we recieved another pick: so now we have 2 picks in the upcoming draft (both will be in the 20's) so its not so bad we gave a pick to Chicago
we cleared up playing time at Power Foward: more time for Channing Frye/Jackie Butler.
we got some money back: basically reduced Jalen's contract by $3million dollars with the money they threw in.
An extra $17million to the payroll for next season...who cares, it is James Dolan's money.
Rose will give us some sense of an identity, and hopefully fire things up a bit...
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Just what NY needed. January started off great but ended horribly :-\
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Just what NY needed. January started off great but ended horribly :-\
How did they end the month? Was it losing 9 out of 10? And was is true that a Knicks player said "now we can start playing" after Larry Brown go ejected?
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Just what NY needed. January started off great but ended horribly :-\
How did they end the month? Was it losing 9 out of 10? And was is true that a Knicks player said "now we can start playing" after Larry Brown go ejected?
The player who said that has not a fraction of the credibility Larry Brown has.
He is one of the greatest teachers of basketball the sport has ever seen.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would say something like that, Everyone knows Brown's reputation. He is a brilliant rebuilder being the only coach in NBA history to bring seven different teams to the playoffs. Larry Brown is in NY for one reason, and one reason alone ----> Rebuilding
We all know NY is in a transition year and is a small threat in the Eastern Conference, let alone contenders for the championship
This year is supposed to be rocky, all first years are. But i am confident the Knicks will be a good playoff team next year.
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Ok, so even if Rose contract is not over after this season. It's a hella bad "trade". If they want to get rid of him and his big ass undeserved contract, they should have pulled a Finley on him in the offseason. But now, they basically traded a 1st round pick for a 37 year old late 2nd round pick. LOL!!! Please don't tell me this is not nuts. It's not like Raptors get the 28th pick in the first round, they will get the 3rd pick or some shit, enough to sign an impact player. They blew it. If they wanna get rid of Rose, just buy his contract out. Bad move.
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The pick is Denvers.
The pick was originally sent with another two picks to NJ for KMart.
The pick was then sent with another pick to Toronto for Carter.
The pick has now been sent to NY for Davis.
This pick is a slut...
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It's not like Raptors get the 28th pick in the first round, they will get the 3rd pick or some shit, enough to sign an impact player. They blew it. If they wanna get rid of Rose, just buy his contract out. Bad move.
What dont you understand? The pick sent to NY is Denvers. Denver will make the playoffs so the first round pick will be between 20-30(late first round). Toronto wasnt getting the 3rd pick or even a top 10 pick unless Denever finished asa a botton 5 team (wich theyre not). Why would Toronto want to buy out Jalens contrat when the whole point of the trade was to save the money? Think before you start trashing people , its obvious already you couldnt do a better job.
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Nigga I didnt know it was Denver's pick. Saving the money? Is the owner a broke boy? Explains alot.
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Nigga I didnt know it was Denver's pick. Saving the money? Is the owner a broke boy? Explains alot.
It has nothing to do with the owner being broke or filthy rich. Its called the salary cap holmes.... :-*
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Why not just buying a niggas contract out then? Is a waived player still buggin your salary cap when you bought his contract out and send him packin?
Houston rule!
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Yeah.
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Why not just buying a niggas contract out then? Is a waived player still buggin your salary cap when you bought his contract out and send him packin?
Houston rule!
Man, you just dont get it do you? Its not rocket science.....If you buy the players contract out, then you are still paying the 17 mil to buy out Jalens contract. Now that Jalen is a Knick, New York has to pay Jalen and took over his contract. So the Raptors dont owe Jalen shit anymore therefore Toronto now has an extra 17 mil to play with. Obviously Jalen was not part of that Raptors future plans, but it was hard for them to get rid of him becuase his contract is worth so much and hes way overpaid. Typical of the Knicks to pick up a player like that. They always go after guys like Penny Hardaway, Eddie Curry and now Jalen Rose who are overpaid and overated players.
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Of course you have to give him money when you buy him out no shit but he won't be on your roster anymore and that what it's all about isnt it?
That you have to pay some millions only matters if the owner is a broke dude. Cause them millions from buyin him out wont get on the salary cap
So they shouldve just done that instead of what they did. Like Mavs did Finley. I'd be hella pissed if Mavs traded Finley and picks for bullshit players instead of buyin his contract out.
Toronto basically traded a 1st round pick for Davis which is a horrible trade at that. They shouldve just give 15 mil to Rose in the offseason and send him packin, situation would be the same only that they still had the pick.
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man you are making me feel like smashing my head off the wall
The point was not to get rid of Jalen, but to get rid of his contract. If you bought him out, then you wouldnt be getting rid of his contract now would you?
Toronto would rather sign other players like Mike James ect. and have some cap room instead of keep Jalen and his contract.
Here is an example......Lets say the cap is 50 million per year and Toronto had 48 million invested in its players. They only have 2 mil to work with, which isnt gona get you jack shit in the NBA. So they trade Jalen to the Knicks and his contract with 17 Million left on it. 48-17 is 31. So now Toronto only has 31 million invested in its players for next season and they have 19 million to play around with and get guys they need and add some pieces to the puzzle.
The reason they traded Jalen was becuase they had to now. They need to make moves this year and cant wait till Jalens contract expires or they wont have a chance in resigning players like James and Bosh becuase they simply wont have enough money. If they had just waited unti, Jalens contract expired than all that money would have been tied up this summer and they wouldnt have been able to make any moves.
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it's not that Im missin the point homie, it's just that as far as I know, when a nigga got his contract bought out, you got rid of both of them. the nigga and the contract. lakers did it with grant, mavs did it with finley, knicks wanted to do it with houston.
whatever, let's stop talkin bout that.
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ok well why would you buy someones contract out when you could just dump them to someone else (knicks) and now they have to pay it.? sounds like a smart business move to me
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Its not that smart though. Giving away a pick and $ for it. Also, at the moment the Denver pick is sitting at 22nd. If they (for example) lose a few games and fall back 2 games, the pick goes to 13. Denver are in a weird situation where if they fall back in the stands just a little, they fall a lot. Some geek on the Toronto board was explaining it.
Also, how can you call Eddy Curry overpriced? We are paying him around 8mil this season. He is a 22 year old 6'11 post threat with A LOT of game. 90 mil for Dalembert = overpaid 63 mil for Chandler = very questionable 50mil over 5 years for Eddy Curry, not as bad as you'd think. Penny Hardaway we took on to get Marbury, so that explains it. Due to our cap situation (and endless cash supply), when we make a trade, we generally have to take on extra money as well. Like when we traded Nazr for Malik and 2 1st round picks (one of which is David Lee). We took on extra years of Malik's contract, to get two 1st round picks. We wont be under the cap until atleast 07/08. Allan Houston, JYD, Shandon Anderson, Mo Taylor, Malik are all off at the end of 06/07. Without resigning any players at this point in time and dropping all of them, we go from $120m to $47m. But obviously we will have other guys added before then, possibly Mike James ;)
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Also, how can you call Eddy Curry overpriced? We are paying him around 8mil this season. He is a 22 year old 6'11 post threat with A LOT of game.
Well I agree EC does have game but his heart problems worry me, he already had to sit out almost a whole season and theres no telling when it might happen again. When you are diagnosed with a heart murmer or irregular heart beat, it doesnt go away. Hoepfully he remains healthy tho, I do think he is a good player.
But 8 mil a season for Curry is still alot of money when you also have to pay for Marbury, Crawford, Richardson and now Rose.......Yikes :-\
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What about Jerome James?
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What about Jerome James?
I forgot about him.......Whats his contract worth? Isnt it around 60 mil or so?
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This is what they fired Babcock for? Sure they wanted to dump Jalen, but they coulda' done A LOT better....
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i predict the toronto raptures will soon become the cinncinati/jacksonville/pittsberg/richmond/des moins/ montpierre/ hatford/albany/buffalo or lansing raptors
We're a top of the line intl city/.//the fukk u think this is?
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What about Jerome James?
I forgot about him.......Whats his contract worth? Isnt it around 60 mil or so?
$30mil, but obviously so far he hasnt been worth it. But, at the time it we would have been starting Channing Frye at the C as we didnt have Eddy Curry or Antonio Davis, so Isiah sorta had to sign James. We got lucky after with EC and AD. Curry's heart condition was a worry for me too, but he has been cleared to play, and all in all he only missed like 20 games last season from it. The 8 mil for Curry is not a problem to me, because there arent that many dominant young big men around (Amare, Bosh, Dwight Howard, Okafor, Yao) so if you have one, give him the money he deserves. Crawford is worth his money half the time, then the other half I could do better.
Anyways, the reason the deal never got done before was Babcock thought picks were VERY valuable, and if you look at his resume he never really traded a pick. Toronto needed to focus on Bosh, and by clearing up more capspace this shows a real committment to keep him, and possibly James. So I do think it made sense for Toronto in some sense, but I still feel NY got the better. Jalen Rose was never gonna be around long term, so better to get him outta the flow now...
who knows, AD will probably get released and sign with Chicago again... PLANT anyword from Davis yet about his playing situation?
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Raw deal for the Raptors ???
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... PLANT anyword from Davis yet about his playing situation?
The player has 48 hours to report to the team after they've been traded. The Raptors play tomorrow so we will see if Davis is in the house. ??? Im kinda doubting he will even play for the Raps tho, considering his history here and all....