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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on March 18, 2006, 05:18:09 PM
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I won't say where i heard it, but i just peeped it. Of course 50 is on the hook, and he also has the lead verse. Not a bad beat, but somewhat busy sounding, like lots of shit going on at once - maybe too much. But it has a soulful feel to it. I don't like the hook, cuz 50 has that whiny twang that he used on Window Shopper. He's trying to be catchy, but it comes off corny to me. Hav comes off good, Pee is decent - pretty much what you'd expect from him.
Overall, decent track, but I could def do without 50.
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i thought it was bad personally, deleted it half way through hav's verse
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i thought it was bad personally, deleted it half way through hav's verse
I def feel you. It's almost like they want to have it both ways - use 50 to get the teeny boppers & Jome, yet try to save their manhood and make harder edged stuff.
See, we've actually been spoiled. "Have a Party" was such a terrible song, that any song Mobb & G-Unit drops after that, I'll be like "hey, at least its not as bad as Have a Party. So to me, this isn't as bad as what the COULD drop with G-Unit. I listened to the song 3 times - Not cuz I like it, but cuz i was breaking it down in my first post.
Having said that, I WON'T be purchasing Blood Money.
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See, we've actually been spoiled. "Have a Party" was such a terrible song, that any song Mobb & G-Unit drops after that, I'll be like "hey, at least its not as bad as Have a Party. So to me, this isn't as bad as what the COULD drop with G-Unit. I listened to the song 3 times - Not cuz I like it, but cuz i was breaking it down in my first post.
I liked "Have A Party"...not as much as "Outta Control", but it was still pretty hot. Of course, it woulda been hot with almost ANY rapper on that beat.
This song...hmmm, I dunno what to think. I wasn't expecting anything catchy, but what's surprising is how incredibly bare this beat is. And I don't mean "raw" like RZA or the Mobb's "Infamous" days, I mean bare as in it doesn't really bring out anything in the rappers on it. On the other hand, Hav and P do sound a bit revitalized, 50 is decent (except for the hook - I agree that sucks) - but this isn't even what I'd call "soulful". It just doesn't engage in any sorta way.
I really hope Mobb Deep has better shit to offer on "Blood Money".
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Have a party was one of my fav tracks last year. BUT this song is sooo bad. Its aweful in every way. 50's hook is the worst hes ever done, the versuses are bad, and the worst thing is the beat. This is the worst song I've ever heard, and I'm a g-unit fan.
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wtf are you guys talking about, this actually a really good track. But your hate for g-unit is so deep that you gotta act like everything they drop is ass. Fuck outta here. Some dumb fuck i deleted it half way through hav's verse. Havoc spit fire on the track, fuck outta here.
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wtf are you guys talking about, this actually a really good track. But your hate for g-unit is so deep that you gotta act like everything they drop is ass. Fuck outta here. Some dumb fuck i deleted it half way through hav's verse. Havoc spit fire on the track, fuck outta here.
exactly. you haters make me laugh.
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this actually a really good track.
Are you sure we listened to the same track? The production is soooo terrible and so is 50's hook.
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i hate have a party. it sounds the same as the other guint songs
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cept for Nate and a fredwreck beat :P
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You guys mean to tell me that this song has got you hype for Blood Money? I mean, can they make a song / video and not have 50 in it? Their single is decent, but they couldn't go without puttin 50 in the video. And this song personifies what I figured was gonna be the essence of this album - 50 putting out some harder edged stuff to try to regain some credibility, Mobb exploiting 50's fanbase to try and go platinum. It ain't about dope music, it's about first week sales. Fuck this and all the other so called music that goes this route.
And I don't hate G-Unit, I hate wack music. It just so happens that almost everything that comes out of G-Unit is bullshit these days.
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the song aint that bad..but they need more
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I like the song.The beat is nice, Havoc spits a dope verse, nice 50 verse and hook. But like everbody said they hyped the shit out of this track.Its not that good.
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So far, this album is gonna be a 3/3.5 album, not that bad , not that good. This track is ok, nothing special whereas 50 and Mobb Deep hyped it so much in previous articles....
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i miss hiphop
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hate to say, but this shit sucks.. I'm starting to doubt "Blood money" gonna be anything near a good album.
here's the track:
http://rapidshare.de/files/15838521/10_Pearly_Gates_ft_50_Cent_1.MP3.html
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:'( Maaaaan what the fuck. This is the song that's "gonna have the hood goin crazy"?? yeah right. You would think mobb deep just might be able to get the 1st verse on tracks off their own album but of course 50 all over this crap. This really sucks and I don’t mind 50 at all. But anything more that a single collab track is just him being a egomaniac and the mobb selling out. Like really 50 you know us so well. What the fans need to is more 50 cent. When we buy other rappers records what we really want is to hear you all over their records. fuckin ridiculous, so here we go from the tracks we know of this is the how this album looks
Pearly gates - ft. 50 Cent
The Infamous - ft. 50 Cent
Creep - ft. 50 Cent
Night Rider - ft. Tony Yayo
Give it to Me - ft. Young Buck
You cant get with this - ft. Lloyd Banks
That’s SIX fucking songs with guint all over them. Its sad I love mobb deep but this album is DOA.
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You guys mean to tell me that this song has got you hype for Blood Money? I mean, can they make a song / video and not have 50 in it? Their single is decent, but they couldn't go without puttin 50 in the video. And this song personifies what I figured was gonna be the essence of this album - 50 putting out some harder edged stuff to try to regain some credibility, Mobb exploiting 50's fanbase to try and go platinum. It ain't about dope music, it's about first week sales. Fuck this and all the other so called music that goes this route.
And I don't hate G-Unit, I hate wack music. It just so happens that almost everything that comes out of G-Unit is bullshit these days.
So according to you, no matter what 50 does he is fucked. If he tries to make harder edeged stuff hes trying to save face. If he continues to make poppy stuff he's a sell out destroying hip hop. second beef i got is, you say its only about 1st week sales. Its a business first and foremost deal with it. What mobb deep are supposed to say fuck making money, i rather keep it real. Fuck outta here. Your the definition of a hater. I aint a 50 fan but your opinion holds no weight on the discussion b/c your hate is so thick. For christ sakes your getting pissed that 50 was in the video. Big deal its his record lable, g-unit is a crew but you complain about it. Why not complain about Nas always having his crew in his videos back in the day. Or dipset doing the same.
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i miss hiphop
how isnt this hiphop
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I completley agree with Teflon Tom. 50 Cent cant do anything good according to the dubcc.Poor 50.
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So according to you, no matter what 50 does he is fucked. If he tries to make harder edeged stuff hes trying to save face. If he continues to make poppy stuff he's a sell out destroying hip hop.
Exactly. But he did that to himself. He went TOO FAR with this pop bullshit. And now he's scrambling trying to regain some credibility. Its exactly what happened to Ja. And how hot is Ja's career right about now? If you don't see the parallel between the two, then you're blind.
second beef i got is, you say its only about 1st week sales. Its a business first and foremost deal with it. What mobb deep are supposed to say fuck making money, i rather keep it real. Fuck outta here.
OK. So your logic concludes that EVERYBODY should be putting out albums with 50, cuz he's been pushin the most units in the past 4 years. Gotta get that money by any means necessary. Fuck integrity and artistic nature. What will you say if this formula backfires and not only does Mobb not go platinum plus, but alienates their loyal fanbase? Is it still a great business move? FUCK OUTTA HERE. And if you don't know, Mobb has gone Gold numerous times, and has gone platinum as well.
Your the definition of a hater. I aint a 50 fan but your opinion holds no weight on the discussion b/c your hate is so thick. For christ sakes your getting pissed that 50 was in the video. Big deal its his record lable, g-unit is a crew but you complain about it. Why not complain about Nas always having his crew in his videos back in the day. Or dipset doing the same.
You're calling me a hater based on what, the fact that I say G-Unit has been putting out mostly bullshit lately? Since your such a lobbyist for the business side, check the soundscan. Their sales are dropping, albums are being pushed back, some acts will never release an album. The public is realizing that G-Unit is wack bullshit as well. I guess we're all haters though right? And if I'm a hater, why do I own GRODT? Why did I say that Outta Control remix was dope? Why do I give Buck props, and actually anticipate hearing his newest shit? Don't speak on shit you don't know dog.
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Exactly. But he did that to himself. He went TOO FAR with this pop bullshit. And now he's scrambling trying to regain some credibility. Its exactly what happened to Ja. And how hot is Ja's career right about now? If you don't see the parallel between the two, then you're blind.
50's problem is not that he went pop...he was pop from the very beginning. For fuck's sake, he was dueting with Destiny's Child on his first single from "Power of the Dollar". 50's problem (and also Ja's) is oversaturation...he doesn't know how to lay low for a year or two in order to let the public start craving more of his product. All of the most successful rappers in the game (Snoop, Ludacris, Jay-Z, etc.) have had long, stable careers because they know how to time their releases and their appearances just right, and they manage to find a good balance between pop and street. 50 certainly has a good balance between pop and street, but he just needs learn to stop putting out so much product so soon, and he would be a lot more tolerable. Ja Rule released a new album in which the lead single was always him dueting with J. Lo, R. Kelly, Ashanti, etc. EVERY YEAR - and it was the same damn shit over and over...that's what killed him.
OK. So your logic concludes that EVERYBODY should be putting out albums with 50, cuz he's been pushin the most units in the past 4 years. Gotta get that money by any means necessary. Fuck integrity and artistic nature. What will you say if this formula backfires and not only does Mobb not go platinum plus, but alienates their loyal fanbase? Is it still a great business move? FUCK OUTTA HERE. And if you don't know, Mobb has gone Gold numerous times, and has gone platinum as well.
I hate to say it, but YEAH, you do wanna get that money by any means necesary. It's easy to talk about artistic integrity when you're in the underground and you play to your own little niche amongst the hardcore fans, but it's a lot harder to think that way when you've already done Gold and Platinum sales and you're used to NOT being broke and living in poverty. And unfortunately, whether we wanna accept it or not, times have changed since the days when Mobb Deep could put out a song like "Shook Ones, Part II" or "Quiet Storm" and have a big hit. The East Coast right now is all about 50's over-the-top thug posturing and Kanye's revival of the sped-up soul sample...you wanna eat, THAT is the kinda shit you put out.
All I expect from Mobb Deep is that whatever they do, they do it WELL. If they wanna hang with 50 and have groupies crawling all over them in his videos, that's their choice. If they were to decide they wanted to rap about Allah and the Supreme Mathematics (I always wondered why they never did this more, given their Five-Percenter backgrounds) alongside Killah Priest and Brand Nubian, that's also their choice. And if they decide to say fuck 50 and start hanging with Game, Nas, and D-Block and make diss records shouting "G-Unot!", I'd also be fine with that. But whatever they do, I just want to hear good music - and good music isn't dependent upon how "pop" something is. I wasn't happy at first when Snoop signed with No Limit, but I eventually stopped caring because the music spoke for itself - Snoop released some of his best albums since "Doggystyle" on that label ("Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told" notwithstanding, of course).
As far as whether or not being on G-Unit is a good thing for them, I dunno, we'll have to see. But consider this: It was as big a commercial risk for 50 to sign Mobb Deep as it was an artistic risk for Mobb Deep to sign with 50. I mean, think about it - Game leaves, and 50 loses the most profitable rapper on his label besides himself. He could have signed a fresh up-and-coming rapper or group that's getting major rotation on MTV and BET; instead, he signs a pair of washed-up veterans who are still respected in the underground but haven't had a hit single in over five years. And now that 50 has signed them, he's been giving them more priority than any other act on his label - they came after Spider Loc and Olivia, plus he's also got M.O.P., Mase, and Lil Scrappy down with him, yet he puts out their album first. Furthermore, he even puts them on his album's four big single (the "Outta Control" remix) to make sure they get plenty of exposure, and in the process gives them one of their biggest hits ever. Don't you think that's a very good indication that 50 obviously has a lot of respect for Mobb Deep and vice-versa? He's always said they were one of his favorite groups when he was coming up, and that it's like a dream to work with them - and so far, he seems to be dead serious about that.
So really, if there's anyone here who's considering artistic integrity right now, it's 50 himself - it was a risk for him to sign Mobb Deep, and yet he's determined to see them have success, even if they're not particularly destined for that.
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that one song with nate dog iz dope az fuck.
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Exactly. But he did that to himself. He went TOO FAR with this pop bullshit. And now he's scrambling trying to regain some credibility. Its exactly what happened to Ja. And how hot is Ja's career right about now? If you don't see the parallel between the two, then you're blind.
50's problem is not that he went pop...he was pop from the very beginning. For fuck's sake, he was dueting with Destiny's Child on his first single from "Power of the Dollar". 50's problem (and also Ja's) is oversaturation...he doesn't know how to lay low for a year or two in order to let the public start craving more of his product. All of the most successful rappers in the game (Snoop, Ludacris, Jay-Z, etc.) have had long, stable careers because they know how to time their releases and their appearances just right, and they manage to find a good balance between pop and street. 50 certainly has a good balance between pop and street, but he just needs learn to stop putting out so much product so soon, and he would be a lot more tolerable. Ja Rule released a new album in which the lead single was always him dueting with J. Lo, R. Kelly, Ashanti, etc. EVERY YEAR - and it was the same damn shit over and over...that's what killed him.
OK. So your logic concludes that EVERYBODY should be putting out albums with 50, cuz he's been pushin the most units in the past 4 years. Gotta get that money by any means necessary. Fuck integrity and artistic nature. What will you say if this formula backfires and not only does Mobb not go platinum plus, but alienates their loyal fanbase? Is it still a great business move? FUCK OUTTA HERE. And if you don't know, Mobb has gone Gold numerous times, and has gone platinum as well.
I hate to say it, but YEAH, you do wanna get that money by any means necesary. It's easy to talk about artistic integrity when you're in the underground and you play to your own little niche amongst the hardcore fans, but it's a lot harder to think that way when you've already done Gold and Platinum sales and you're used to NOT being broke and living in poverty. And unfortunately, whether we wanna accept it or not, times have changed since the days when Mobb Deep could put out a song like "Shook Ones, Part II" or "Quiet Storm" and have a big hit. The East Coast right now is all about 50's over-the-top thug posturing and Kanye's revival of the sped-up soul sample...you wanna eat, THAT is the kinda shit you put out.
All I expect from Mobb Deep is that whatever they do, they do it WELL. If they wanna hang with 50 and have groupies crawling all over them in his videos, that's their choice. If they were to decide they wanted to rap about Allah and the Supreme Mathematics (I always wondered why they never did this more, given their Five-Percenter backgrounds) alongside Killah Priest and Brand Nubian, that's also their choice. And if they decide to say fuck 50 and start hanging with Game, Nas, and D-Block and make diss records shouting "G-Unot!", I'd also be fine with that. But whatever they do, I just want to hear good music - and good music isn't dependent upon how "pop" something is. I wasn't happy at first when Snoop signed with No Limit, but I eventually stopped caring because the music spoke for itself - Snoop released some of his best albums since "Doggystyle" on that label ("Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told" notwithstanding, of course).
As far as whether or not being on G-Unit is a good thing for them, I dunno, we'll have to see. But consider this: It was as big a commercial risk for 50 to sign Mobb Deep as it was an artistic risk for Mobb Deep to sign with 50. I mean, think about it - Game leaves, and 50 loses the most profitable rapper on his label besides himself. He could have signed a fresh up-and-coming rapper or group that's getting major rotation on MTV and BET; instead, he signs a pair of washed-up veterans who are still respected in the underground but haven't had a hit single in over five years. And now that 50 has signed them, he's been giving them more priority than any other act on his label - they came after Spider Loc and Olivia, plus he's also got M.O.P., Mase, and Lil Scrappy down with him, yet he puts out their album first. Furthermore, he even puts them on his album's four big single (the "Outta Control" remix) to make sure they get plenty of exposure, and in the process gives them one of their biggest hits ever. Don't you think that's a very good indication that 50 obviously has a lot of respect for Mobb Deep and vice-versa? He's always said they were one of his favorite groups when he was coming up, and that it's like a dream to work with them - and so far, he seems to be dead serious about that.
So really, if there's anyone here who's considering artistic integrity right now, it's 50 himself - it was a risk for him to sign Mobb Deep, and yet he's determined to see them have success, even if they're not particularly destined for that.
say word, they have been in the game for 12 years isnt it time they deserve to get paid. They have dropped classic after classic in the 90's yet fans want more. For the most part the stuff they have dropped on g-unit has been decent. Sure there are g-unit reference but for the most part the music would of sounded the same regardless. it sounds like stuff off of Amerikaz Nightmare. The biggest problem with Mobb Deep is the fact pee fell off, but 50 had nothing to do with that. If anything since he signed to g-unit atleast he doesnt sound like hes on his death bed when he rhymes. And Jrome, Mobb Deep has never going platinum. There best selling record was murda muzik and i think that was in the 800,000-900,000 album range. I think Amerikaz Nightmare has just cracked gold but im not even sure about that one. So they were losing exposure. As much a joke Pee is and how bad they fallen off they deserve to get shine.
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And Jrome, Mobb Deep has never going platinum. There best selling record was murda muzik and i think that was in the 800,000-900,000 album range. I think Amerikaz Nightmare has just cracked gold but im not even sure about that one. So they were losing exposure.
"Murda Muzik" was certified Platinum...check the RIAA site. I dunno how much it sold (you can actually get certified Platinum for selling 900,000 copies), but the certification is there to prove it. And "Amerikaz Nightmare" didn't go Gold. But yeah, it's true their popularity declined.
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And Jrome, Mobb Deep has never going platinum. There best selling record was murda muzik and i think that was in the 800,000-900,000 album range. I think Amerikaz Nightmare has just cracked gold but im not even sure about that one. So they were losing exposure.
"Murda Muzik" was certified Platinum...check the RIAA site. I dunno how much it sold (you can actually get certified Platinum for selling 900,000 copies), but the certification is there to prove it. And "Amerikaz Nightmare" didn't go Gold. But yeah, it's true their popularity declined.
Yea b/c you can get it certified if you ship over a million not actually sell a million.
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Yea b/c you can get it certified if you ship over a million not actually sell a million.
Exactly...that's how Paul Wall got certified Platinum for selling less than 700,000 copies of "The People's Champ". Doesn't surprise me, either...every store I've been to has a zillion copies of the album that haven't been purchased yet.
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i like it good song
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Didn't like Pearly Gates, and not too excited about the first single. :-\
Poppin Bottles, L'ecole du crime, The Infamous, Gangbang Music, How you survive, <<-- All dope, wish they could get some more shit like this for the album, but the 2 first tracks doesn't look promising.
At least that "Horror flick" track is dope, that's supposed to be on the album.
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Gangbang Music
That song actually grew on me...Yayo actually did a nice hook for that joint.
"You A Shooter" is also pretty good, more cause of the beat than the lyrics, tho.
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who produced gangbang music?
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who produced gangbang music?
Sounds like a Sha Money XL beat, though I could be wrong.
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who produced gangbang music?
Typical Alchemist beat, sounds nothing like Sha Money.
Sound like the track samples some old school melody, with hand drums, sampled woman incorporated in the beat, typical Alchemist, no hardhitting bass, loud horns or whistles like Sha Money usually got.
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I completley agree with Teflon Tom. 50 Cent cant do anything good according to the dubcc.Poor 50.
Not true. I'm thinkin a lot of DubCC is with me when I say Get Rich or Die Tryin was a dope record. It's just that nowadays Fiddy and the whole G-Unit have become such caricatures of themselves, that they've become ridiculous.
And I can definately feel it like it was said that Mobb is trying to go both ways with the record - both the pop crowd and their original crowd. But they're not getting there, sadly. Their stuff nowadays is decent at best. :-\
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^^ GRODT was a dope record? That might be a bit too much, but it was decent to say the least. I believe we're all sick of that same old talk for three years straight now though. I quit checking for new G-Unit stuff a long time ago. The tracks I've heard ever since have not been promising at all.
Pearly gates? The hook wouldn't have been bad if it wasn't for 50 singing it. Hav's verse is pretty nice... It's a shame the beat is nothing special, as is 50's verse. At least P outshined him.
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hate to say, but this shit sucks.. I'm starting to doubt "Blood money" gonna be anything near a good album.
here's the track:
http://rapidshare.de/files/15838521/10_Pearly_Gates_ft_50_Cent_1.MP3.html
props on the track lets see what they talkin bout
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Not that bad a track. It has a different sound to it. Typical Mobb though. Guns, killing, street shit. 50 doesn't do much. His verse is alright but his hook is terrible. Havoc spits a pretty nice verse. Prodigy rhymed once or twice. Whatever happened to that guy??