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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on March 20, 2006, 07:49:28 AM
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Afghan on trial for Christianity
An Afghan man is being tried in a court in the capital, Kabul, for converting from Islam to Christianity.
Abdul Rahman is charged with rejecting Islam and could face the death sentence under Sharia law unless he recants.
He converted 16 years ago as an aid worker helping refugees in Pakistan. His estranged family denounced him in a custody dispute over his two children.
It is thought to be Afghanistan's first such trial, reflecting tensions between conservative clerics and reformists.
Conservatives still dominate the Afghan judiciary four years after the Taleban were overthrown.
The BBC's Mike Donkin in Kabul says reformists, like the government under President Hamid Karzai, want a more liberal, secular legal system but under the present constitution it is hard for them to intervene.
'Tolerance'
Afghanistan's post-Taleban constitution is based on Sharia law, and prosecutors in the case says this means Abdul Rahman, whose trial began last Thursday, should be put to death.
We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so we will forgive him
Trial judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah
When he was arrested last month he was found to be carrying a bible and charged with rejecting Islam which is punishable by death in Afghanistan.
Trial judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah told the BBC that Mr Rahman, 41, would be asked to reconsider his conversion, which he made while working for a Christian aid group in Pakistan.
"We will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance. We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so we will forgive him," the judge told the BBC on Monday.
But if he refused to reconvert, then his mental state would be considered first before he was dealt with under Sharia law, the judge added.
He said he expected the case to take about two months to be heard.
Precedent
The Afghan Human Rights Commission has called for a better balance in the judiciary, with fewer judges advocating Sharia law and more judges with a wider legal background.
Several journalists have been prosecuted under blasphemy laws in post-Taleban Afghanistan.
The editor of a women's rights magazine was convicted of insulting Islam and sentenced to death last year - but was later released after an apology and heavy international pressure.
Mr Karzai's office says the president will not intervene in the case.
Observers say executing a converted Christian would be a significant precedent as a conservative interpretation of Sharia law in Afghanistan.
But it would also outrage Western nations which put Mr Karzai in power and are pouring billions of dollars into supporting the country.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm
Published: 2006/03/20 13:15:27 GMT
funny i remember bush's last press conference with the afgan president and one of the topics they were talking about were freedom to chose your religion
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Wow that's insane.
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But it would also outrage Western nations which put Mr Karzai in power and are pouring billions of dollars into supporting the country.
prediction: it won't go down... money >> politics >> religion.
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lol @ the judge's quote
"We will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance. We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so we will forgive him," the judge told the BBC on Monday
i think it'll go down since karzai hasnt done shit about it thus far. and an additional lol goes out to the bush administration for lookin like idiots.
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"We will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance
what kind of tolerance is this, the guy is about to get killed for changing religion
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^^I know. It's some crazy shit.
Afghanistan's post-Taleban constitution is based on Sharia law, and prosecutors in the case says this means Abdul Rahman, whose trial began last Thursday, should be put to death.
When he was arrested last month he was found to be carrying a bible and charged with rejecting Islam which is punishable by death in Afghanistan.
"We will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance.
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Plain and simple, they are barbaric.
They have to make rules preventing people from converting to other religions because they know Christianity is superior.
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LMAO... so tolerant the only way to live is through oppression and rejection of values... what cunts.
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Plain and simple, they are barbaric.
They have to make rules preventing people from converting to other religions because they know Christianity is superior.
(http://zeke.tzo.com/rpgww/misc/yalogank/zznonrpgww/signs/sign_lmao01.jpg)
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i think what some of you guys might've missed was the part of the conservative judges that are still in charge.
The BBC's Mike Donkin in Kabul says reformists, like the government under President Hamid Karzai, want a more liberal, secular legal system but under the present constitution it is hard for them to intervene.
so just imagine the KKK was in the supreme court and started hanging blacks. it's not like a public hanging or anything. i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity. we got mohammed ali & malcolm X. who the fuck do you have? Son of Sam & Gary Busey :P
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i think what some of you guys might've missed was the part of the conservative judges that are still in charge. The BBC's Mike Donkin in Kabul says reformists, like the government under President Hamid Karzai, want a more liberal, secular legal system but under the present constitution it is hard for them to intervene.
so just imagine the KKK was in the supreme court and started hanging blacks. it's not like a public hanging or anything. i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity. we got mohammed ali & malcolm X. who the fuck do you have? Son of Sam & Gary Busey :P
LOL at you comparing Malcom X to Son of Sam. That's just stupid. Your bascilly taking the best of the best and placing them with the worst of the worst. That ain't really fair, in fact it's a little stupid.
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Christianity is superior.
Yeah... and the color blue is superior to the color red...
you really don't know how stupid you sound, do you? Then again, being extremely dumb is the trademark of a Polack.
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i think what some of you guys might've missed was the part of the conservative judges that are still in charge. The BBC's Mike Donkin in Kabul says reformists, like the government under President Hamid Karzai, want a more liberal, secular legal system but under the present constitution it is hard for them to intervene.
so just imagine the KKK was in the supreme court and started hanging blacks. it's not like a public hanging or anything. i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity. we got mohammed ali & malcolm X. who the fuck do you have? Son of Sam & Gary Busey :P
LOL at you comparing Malcom X to Son of Sam. That's just stupid. Your bascilly taking the best of the best and placing them with the worst of the worst. That ain't really fair, in fact it's a little stupid.
i was jus jokin ted, cwalker comes in here with his bullshit racism so i throw one back at him.
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i think what some of you guys might've missed was the part of the conservative judges that are still in charge. The BBC's Mike Donkin in Kabul says reformists, like the government under President Hamid Karzai, want a more liberal, secular legal system but under the present constitution it is hard for them to intervene.
so just imagine the KKK was in the supreme court and started hanging blacks. it's not like a public hanging or anything. i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity. we got mohammed ali & malcolm X. who the fuck do you have? Son of Sam & Gary Busey :P
LOL at you comparing Malcom X to Son of Sam. That's just stupid. Your bascilly taking the best of the best and placing them with the worst of the worst. That ain't really fair, in fact it's a little stupid.
i was jus jokin ted, cwalker comes in here with his bullshit racism so i throw one back at him.
O, I see.
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i think what some of you guys might've missed was the part of the conservative judges that are still in charge. The BBC's Mike Donkin in Kabul says reformists, like the government under President Hamid Karzai, want a more liberal, secular legal system but under the present constitution it is hard for them to intervene.
so just imagine the KKK was in the supreme court and started hanging blacks. it's not like a public hanging or anything. i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity. we got mohammed ali & malcolm X. who the fuck do you have? Son of Sam & Gary Busey :P
LOL at you comparing Malcom X to Son of Sam. That's just stupid. Your bascilly taking the best of the best and placing them with the worst of the worst. That ain't really fair, in fact it's a little stupid.
i was jus jokin ted, cwalker comes in here with his bullshit racism so i throw one back at him.
O, I see.
lol i just read ur signature at the bottom of ur sig. u get a prop.
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im really glad there is freedom now in afganistan now that the americans saved them from the taliban. perhaps the same thing will be done in iraq? way to finish what u start. sounds like vietnam
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This just further proves what everyone should've known all along... the goal wasn't to "liberate" Afghanistan (nor Iraq) from anyone or anything.... ultimately it all comes down to money/power (it can be said that these two things go hand in hand or that in this age they're almost synonymous)
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im really glad there is freedom now in afganistan now that the americans saved them from the taliban. perhaps the same thing will be done in iraq? way to finish what u start. sounds like vietnam
freedom in afghanistan ?? u hill billy shit....is there anything u learned from 2000+ deaths of U.S marines in Afghanistan ??
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Plain and simple, they are barbaric.
They have to make rules preventing people from converting to other religions because they know Christianity is superior.
^^ all that comin out of a pruneheaded-male-ass-sniffin polish pig..... calling himself Real American....WOW
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These Muslims are implementing a law that does not come from Allah. Infact, the functions of Shariah law were not worked out until nearly 200 years after the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had died. Most of Shariah law is taken from heresay and traditions surrounding the Prophet Muhammad, his companions, and the leaders that followed him.
(One of the issues that developed in the governments of the Amirs that followed Muhammad, was in the collecting of religious tax (zakat). There where many amongst the population who were abondoning their duty to pay the religious tax to the Amir, and they would keep changing their religion to avoid payment.)
Allah has addressed us clearly in the Qu'ran concerning the issue of freedom of religion. You will not find any verse that sanctions the killing of an apostate. Why not go straight to the source, and let Allah's words stand on their own...
Qu'ran On Freedom Of Religion-
2:256- There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
4:90- Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.
4:137- Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the right way. (4:137)
10:99- Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. Do you want to force the people to become believers?
18:29- Proclaim: "This is the truth from your Lord," then whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve...
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money >> politics >> religion.
^^Not true. This shows that you have made money your God in placing it at the highest end of the spectrum.
Allah is the most high, he is the first and the last, and there is no might or no power but his. Whatever happens in this Earth was his will. If you gathered up the whole world to do harm to somebody you could only afflict them with something Allah had already perscribed for them, likewise, if you gathered up the whole world to do benefit to someone, you could only give them benefit with something Allah had already willed for them.
Allah is more powerful than money. You could buy a billion dollar mansion and spend millions of dollars on security for your mansion, and buy your own island away from all the crime and injustice in the world...--- and still you could not protect yourself from the depression of the mind, nor does wealth protect you from a disease afflicting your heart.
Allah is the most powerful. Nothing more powerful than Allah. You've seen mankind cause the greatest destruction in the bombing of Japan. However, that bombing only occured with the permission of Allah, and still Allah is the greatest destroyer, the destruction of the tsunami caused greater destruction in only minutes time. You could buy your own island but still you would have to plead to Allah to protect you and not destroy your island by hurricane or by a tsunami.
Money is created by tree's. Long ago, people used to worship tree's. Ever heard the saying "knock on wood"? That's from old times when people used to worship tree's. Nowadays, the take a tree and make paper money out of it, and you worship it. It's the same thing just in another form.
Allah is the one who created everything in this life, no Creator but Allah. He created the tree's that have been used as a means to make paper money. Allah is the source of ones intellect, that has been used to create a paper money system. Allah is the Lord of All the Systems of Knowledge.
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so basically ur saying allah hates muslims and is punishing them. earthquake in bam, iran. tsunami. earthquake in kashmire. and bunch of crazy mutherfuckers blowing themselves up throughout the middle east.................
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money >> politics >> religion.
^^Not true. This shows that you have made money your God in placing it at the highest end of the spectrum.
so not true... money and power corrupts.. muslim or not. take note of the words i put it bold above that.
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i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity.
The Afghan public might not give 2 shits about some guy converting to Christianity, but they apparently don't give 2 shits about him being hung for it either. Where is the outrage and condemnation from the Muslim world???? Just a few weeks ago, tens of thousands of Muslims were going ape shit over a fucking cartoon. Now this innocent man is going to be slaughtered because he wants to change his religion? Give me a break. And Muslims had the nerve to lecture us about double standards!?!?!?!?!?!?
This proves how backwards Muslims are. Someone needs to step up and save this heroic man from being slaughtered by these Islamic animals....
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Allah is the most high, he is the first and the last, and there is no might or no power but his. Whatever happens in this Earth was his will. If you gathered up the whole world to do harm to somebody you could only afflict them with something Allah had already perscribed for them...
It's beliefs like this that make muslims (and any religon for that matter) bomb, kill and terrorize in the name of theirreligons. People will suicide bomb and say "all this harm among non muslims is the will of allah, therefore I can do it."
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i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity.
The Afghan public might not give 2 shits about some guy converting to Christianity, but they apparently don't give 2 shits about him being hung for it either. Where is the outrage and condemnation from the Muslim world???? Just a few weeks ago, tens of thousands of Muslims were going ape shit over a fucking cartoon. Now this innocent man is going to be slaughtered because he wants to change his religion? Give me a break. And Muslims had the nerve to lecture us about double standards!?!?!?!?!?!?
This proves how backwards Muslims are. Someone needs to step up and save this heroic man from being slaughtered by these Islamic animals....
why dont u step up? becaus you're afraid you will be killed? so would any1 that would stand up. you're seriously retarted walker, if some1 were to stand up for this guy they would be dead b4 the other guy is even convicted. it aint america over there bitchboy, you cant just take a stand against something. THEY WOULD BE KILLED. get that thru ur fuckin head. america hasnt liberated shit, people are still afraid for their lives, people are still being killed for walking down the street in baghdad. as much as you love to believe foxnews, the war has only made things worse.
let me put it to you like this, maybe all this common sense cant get thru ur thickheaded polish pea-brain:
the KKK runs the court system. they are going to put a man to death becaus he is black. if i said, hey KKK, you can't do that, everybody is EQUAL, no matter the race.....what do YOU think would happen to me?
KKK: "oh you're right almighty cottie. we should listen to you. what we are doing is wrong. LET THIS BLACK MAN FREE!" ::)
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i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity.
The Afghan public might not give 2 shits about some guy converting to Christianity, but they apparently don't give 2 shits about him being hung for it either. Where is the outrage and condemnation from the Muslim world???? Just a few weeks ago, tens of thousands of Muslims were going ape shit over a fucking cartoon. Now this innocent man is going to be slaughtered because he wants to change his religion? Give me a break. And Muslims had the nerve to lecture us about double standards!?!?!?!?!?!?
This proves how backwards Muslims are. Someone needs to step up and save this heroic man from being slaughtered by these Islamic animals....
you should really change your alias... coz sometimes you have valid points, but because it's you.... well ... you filthy swine.
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i'm sure the afghan public gives 2 shits about some guy converting to christianity.
The Afghan public might not give 2 shits about some guy converting to Christianity, but they apparently don't give 2 shits about him being hung for it either. Where is the outrage and condemnation from the Muslim world???? Just a few weeks ago, tens of thousands of Muslims were going ape shit over a fucking cartoon. Now this innocent man is going to be slaughtered because he wants to change his religion? Give me a break. And Muslims had the nerve to lecture us about double standards!?!?!?!?!?!?
This proves how backwards Muslims are. Someone needs to step up and save this heroic man from being slaughtered by these Islamic animals....
LMAO... funny how a person goes from being a barbaric savage to an innocent, heroic man... just by converting to your religion... come on CWalker, he's one of them... one of those dirty cameljockey terrorists... if anyone should be happy about this death sentence, it's you... you racist faggot
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cwalker, you're losing this debate. :nahnah:
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im really glad there is freedom now in afganistan now that the americans saved them from the taliban. perhaps the same thing will be done in iraq? way to finish what u start. sounds like vietnam
freedom in afghanistan ?? u hill billy shit....is there anything u learned from 2000+ deaths of U.S marines in Afghanistan ??
u are dumb. u dont deserve to post anymore. if i relate vietnam to iraq to afganistan and say way to finish what u start does that mean the us 'freed' any of the countries i mentioned? does my post seem serious to u? btw i'm a turk, not a hill billy.