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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on April 23, 2006, 02:23:35 PM
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they get gifts for each other and at least THINK about each other once a year and you get reminded who your true people are, and JESUS is what brought them together. Fake or not, it's a good thing.
And in thegreat words of my older uncle, when you fake it before you make it, you have a greater chance of making it, why? Because you're already studying the ways of the people who have made it without knowing it. You say America sells us all a fantasy? Yea they do
Now I see why you say your not a Muslim and you hate Islam so much. Your whole way of life is "FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT!" So clearly, if being fake is your motto, you will always be in contrast with Islam. You are a fraud! Get out of here with that!
"Allah has cast truth against falsehood and he declared, Verily falsehood is vanquished!"
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Stop worrying about other people and fix your own problems.
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You're simply spinning what he said because he disagrees with you. You highlight certain parts of his post, ignoring the explanations behind them. It wasn't even necessary to make a thread about this.
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LOL
Go delete some other shit you clown.
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It's funny, because you got exposed in the same thread in more then one way. Nibs even agreed with me in one of them.
"Allah has cast truth against falsehood and he declared, Verily falsehood is vanquished!"
Qu'ran- Chapter 109: "Disbelievers" (English Translation of whole chapter is as follows)
"Say O disbelievers
I do not worship what you worship
Nor do you worship whom I worship
I shall never worship what you worship
Neither will you worship whom I worship.
You have your path and I have mine."
Remember infinite, YOU posted this.
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Shut up. And why did you edit your post? It originally said about when you first met Rod he said he was born in Iran blah, blah, blah
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Shut up. And why did you edit your post? It originally said about when you first met Rod he said he was born in Iran blah, blah, blah
I edited my post so that it would be short and to the point. Because I know alot of ya'll play video games all day and have short attention spans. This dude has denounced Islam, and tried to oppose me at every turn, so I ain't going to let it ride when he admits to being a fake!
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still having homo-erotic dreams brian ?
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Stop worrying about other people and fix your own problems.
he can't, it ain't in Muslims to do so
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^^^ Look and see who the people are that have so quickly responded in opposition to this thread. Sometimes a thread like this can distinquish, and sort out, the real from the fake. Now we can see them for what they are. As the saying goes, "It is always the hurt dog that hollers."
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Sometimes a thread like this can distinquish, and sort out, the real from the fake. Now we can see them for what they are.
Can you please explain this? Because as it stands those 2 sentences have not been proven or shown AT ALL in this thread.
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I don't HATE Islam. I love the principles. I got over 60 cuzzins that I know of, most Muslims. It's not about that at all. I'll denounce aspects of christianity just as fast when I see flaws. Man, me and Tech just had a long ass conversation about this in the PMs. He understands where I'm coming from because me and him have went through some of the same trials and tribulations to end up where we're at today.
You my friend, will never, I repeat will NEVER understand. Especially over these message boards. Do you actually believe you know the struggle that I've been through to get to where I am today? What gives you the right to call me fake? What kind of groupie goes back and quotes something he already responded to just to TRY to take something away from me like I care? Do you really think that you can compare your life to mine? I mean seriously, you're a white kid from the suburbs of America who had typical family problems and fell in love with a bitch who killed you on the inside. So you turned to Islam because that's WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME! You ever wonder why the finest most top notch females get with a guy who you don't feel is on her level? Because that guy was there at the RIGHT time, he saved her. Islam saved you. It could have been anything, it could have been another girl, it could have been drugs, it could have been a gang, but it happened to be some guy who you admired for his faith. And that's who inspired you to motivate yourself and pick up the Quran. And hey, I respect that. But there's an invisible line drawn when you abuse that power you have. Faith is power. But ANYTHING abused is wrong. Too much pride will ALWAYS take you down no matter what. These Muslims that are giving us all a bad name are overdosing on pride. If you're not careful you will destroy yourself just like them. Fuck 70 virgins, it's not about that. It's about you bettering yourself as a person. You're not a Muslim just to be able to compete like we're in some religious war with everybody. And I call it out how I see it. I barely post unless something really drives me to.
You can call me fake all you want, but it means nothing to me. I've personally opened my house doors to strangers from this board because that's just the type of cat I am. I'll keep it real with you and we can have a ball, but at the same time, I'll put a gun to your head if you step outta the boundaries.
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it's all good Adbul Cock, keep thinkin you're on top of everybody, keep worshippin the skys, let me know how policing the world was when u're about to reach the holy land
don't be a follower, be a leader
sky's the limit!
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Stop worrying about other people and fix your own problems.
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usually when peole who are lost find religion they usually are set straight, but for some reason infinite has become more lost
there's no reason to make this post about rod. Infinite if you were the religious icon that you say you are , you'd know better than to make this post
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et me know how policing the world was when u're about to reach the holy land
don't be a follower, be a leader
and yep this thread is unnesessary.
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^^^ Look and see who the people are that have so quickly responded in opposition to this thread. Sometimes a thread like this can distinquish, and sort out, the real from the fake. Now we can see them for what they are. As the saying goes, "It is always the hurt dog that hollers."
If you want to talk about fake, look at you. You won't even admit to being white (well you have, then you will say something else). You talk shit about white people and Americans, genrealize them all, and then turn around and say all that shit doesn't apply to you.
If you want to see a fake, a liar, and man that contradicts himself, and a man who is one of the most ignorant people on this forum, read every post in
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=107663.0. And if you notice the part where he accuses me of quoting him out of context (despite the fact that it is neraly impossible because every quote comes with a link to its topic) I could easily give you other quotes to prove my point. Even Nibs, a Muslim, and a man who constanly sticks up for Infinite, agreed with me that he contradicts himslef.
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And for your information, "fake it till you make it" is not suppose to be taken literally. It's just a mind-state. It's the same one that makes America as successful as it is. For example, I used to go in studios acting like I'm an ammateur and I don't know what I'm doing. I'd spit a verse and the engineers would be like naw, you gotta do this and that and try to down talk me based on it. But I could spit the same verse today and have those cats LOVING it because I carry myself differently. I go in the studio now as this cat who you should already know! I make peoples feel like they should have already heard of ZILLA because I am a factor from this certain neighbourhood, and I been there and done that. It's a psychollogical sense of motivation you set in your own mind, and others at the same time. Fake in this case is not the literal sense of the word.
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What the hell? What a prick, you gotta grow up man.
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http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/img/HRapBrown.jpg
is that you? die. rofl
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And for your information, "fake it till you make it" is not suppose to be taken literally. It's just a mind-state. It's the same one that makes America as successful as it is. For example, I used to go in studios acting like I'm an ammateur and I don't know what I'm doing. I'd spit a verse and the engineers would be like naw, you gotta do this and that and try to down talk me based on it. But I could spit the same verse today and have those cats LOVING it because I carry myself differently. I go in the studio now as this cat who you should already know! I make peoples feel like they should have already heard of ZILLA because I am a factor from this certain neighbourhood, and I been there and done that. It's a psychollogical sense of motivation you set in your own mind, and others at the same time. Fake in this case is not the literal sense of the word.
I was the under the impression that it meant pretend to do something until you are ready to do it for real. Like if you are studying to be a surgeon and you perform fake operations until you have it down and then you can do it for real. Otherwise you could kill the guy you are operating on.
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this thread was unneccessary
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i think bryans just pissed cuz his arranged muslim wife caught aids from some homeless black dude ahahaha
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I don't HATE Islam. I love the principles. I got over 60 cuzzins that I know of, most Muslims. It's not about that at all. I'll denounce aspects of christianity just as fast when I see flaws. Man, me and Tech just had a long ass conversation about this in the PMs. He understands where I'm coming from because me and him have went through some of the same trials and tribulations to end up where we're at today.
It ain't all about that, there's one big difference between you and Tech. Tech is a Muslim and you are not. Tech declares himself openly to be a Muslim, and you on the other hand have openly declared yourself not to be a Muslim.
What gives you the right to call me fake?
I didn't call you anything you didn't already declare yourself to be. You put yourself out there. You admitted your motto was "fake it till you make it". It fits you perfectly though. Even in your opening response to this thread your talking about putting a gun to my head. The problem with that is, your trying to be some psuedo-badass and nobody is believing it, so your going to keep faking it till you make it, I guess.
I didn't quote all of your post. The rest of your post was just alot of assumptions, and I don't feel like playing make-believe with you.
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"fake it till you make it" is something I live by as well. I was taught it in school, it's something they teach entrepreneurs. It's often something you have to do.
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it's all good Adbul Cock, keep thinkin you're on top of everybody, keep worshippin the skys, let me know how policing the world was when u're about to reach the holy land
don't be a follower, be a leader
sky's the limit!
A good leader is a good follower. We can not think ourselves to be the wisest and most powerful, therefore we must turn towards the One who is truly the most Powerful, the one who created all things and all conditions; and we must follow the knowledge and giudance that he has given us in the Qu'ran, in order to be successful.
This submission to Allah does not lower us, but it raises us many times over. For all of our affairs are put in to order when you begin to worship the Creator, and refuse to follow and submit to anything within the creation. A Muslim does not follow any person, place or thing, but only the highest power that created all things.
So in Islam there is the blueprint for leadership, because when you wake up and you heed the call to prayer, you are putting the body into motion, and people who are looking for signs of life in the body will recognize a Muslim who fasts and prays five times a day as one who has self-mastery and therefore can be a benefit to others.
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What the hell? What a prick, you gotta grow up man.
^^ Coming from another apostate.
Ask yourself why you have a problem with my comments about Rod, but when he has posted against me for the last couple years you never said a word. The reason why is your as fake as he is. Ya'll belong together.
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^^^ Look and see who the people are that have so quickly responded in opposition to this thread. Sometimes a thread like this can distinquish, and sort out, the real from the fake. Now we can see them for what they are. As the saying goes, "It is always the hurt dog that hollers."
^^ Again. It's good to see the people who responded to this thread in Rod's defense. Rod blasts me in a thread, only to agree with me that the Easter holiday was a fake holiday; and then he says his motto is "fake it till you make it." Then he asks me how I could call him fake, and in a later paragraph talks about putting a gun to my head; trying to fake some thug image until he 'makes it'.
Keep replying. Let's see who else is as fake as Rod.
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I'm just going to call you Brian because I can't pronounce your new name, but (honestly, no disrespect intended) could you explain what the significance of your name is? It keeps getting longer it seems.
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I'm just going to call you Brian because I can't pronounce your new name, but (honestly, no disrespect intended) could you explain what the significance of your name is? It keeps getting longer it seems.
That isn't what we are discussing in this thread. You could have came in here and admitted that you know Rod is a fake, phony, counterfiet, psuedo badd-ass wanna-be-thug. I know you believe that. But you chose to talk about something alltogether different.
Actually.. I won't continue with my current theme and go on and call you fake like I've called others. Your a different category from Rod. I'll call you a hypocrite, but I wouldn't call you a fake; and there is a difference.
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Actually I didn't read any of the bullshit in the thread, long ago I decided you were a nutcase... I just found your name on the outside of this thread interesting and thought I'd ask you about it. I won't bother reading your reply, Brian.
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^^^ Look and see who the people are that have so quickly responded in opposition to this thread. Sometimes a thread like this can distinquish, and sort out, the real from the fake. Now we can see them for what they are. As the saying goes, "It is always the hurt dog that hollers."
^^ Again. It's good to see the people who responded to this thread in Rod's defense. Rod blasts me in a thread, only to agree with me that the Easter holiday was a fake holiday; and then he says his motto is "fake it till you make it." Then he asks me how I could call him fake, and in a later paragraph talks about putting a gun to my head; trying to fake some thug image until he 'makes it'.
Keep replying. Let's see who else is as fake as Rod.
Right, because you decide whose fake. ::) You are the only one calling him fake so it must be true. We are defending Rod and saying he is not fake therefore we are fake. ::) That's a weird philospy. "I think this person is this. Since you don't agree with me, you must be too". That's on a whole nother level of ignorance.
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What the hell? What a prick, you gotta grow up man.
^^ Coming from another apostate.
Ask yourself why you have a problem with my comments about Rod, but when he has posted against me for the last couple years you never said a word. The reason why is your as fake as he is. Ya'll belong together.
Their fake because they've abandoned their religion? So wouldn't that make you a fake? Aren't you white and a former Christian?
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Adbul Cockhound is at a confusing phase in his life, try to understand...
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Adbul Cockhound is at a confusing phase in his life, try to understand...
^^ More responses.... so let's continue...
What do you know about growth and phases in life? Your life is only one phase, one stage. That's the most basic, baby stage of life, food, clothing, shelter, and fullfilling desires. An animal can pull that off.
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I AM AN ANIMAL
I'm an American, RIGHT?!
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Adbul Cockhound is at a confusing phase in his life, try to understand...
^^ More responses.... so let's continue...
What do you know about growth and phases in life? Your life is only one phase, one stage. That's the most basic, baby stage of life, food, clothing, shelter, and fullfilling desires. An animal can pull that off.
You still haven't realized that religion just isn't that important to some people?
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I AM AN ANIMAL
I'm an American, RIGHT?!
Yes, and it disgusts me. The whole American culture is shit :P
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You still haven't realized that religion just isn't that important to some people?
You still haven't realized that there is a difference between the way the word "religion" is defined in the West and the way Islam has defined religion. Religion is a way of life. So, since your way of life is all about video games and porn, then that is your religion. What you live for is what you worship. If you haven't mastered some level of control over your desires then you are a slave to your desires; still operating in the baby stages of life. A Muslim, however, is a slave to Allah.So now, would you like to compare your religion to mine?
Next...
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Scott Peterson is American.
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You still haven't realized that religion just isn't that important to some people?
You still haven't realized that there is a difference between the way the word "religion" is defined in the West and the way Islam has defined religion. Religion is a way of life. So, since your way of life is all about video games and porn, then that is your religion. What you live for is what you worship. If you haven't mastered some level of control over your desires then you are a slave to your desires; still operating in the baby stages of life. A Muslim, however, is a slave to Allah.So now, would you like to compare your religion to mine?
Next...
I'm a slave to my desires? I've played like 5hrs total on my PS2 in the last 2 months. It's been a good 1-1.5 months since I've watched porn. Sorry I got school & friends ::) You make life seem meaningless if we aren't worshiping Allah. My religion according to you? Well that'd be going to school, kicking with my homies listening to music. Actually trying to make something out of my life. Sorry it doesn't involve me being anyones slave.
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A Muslim, however, is a slave to Allah.
why do you continue to belittle yourself?
JUMP! I SAID JUMP BITCH!
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A Muslim, however, is a slave to Allah.
why do you continue to belittle yourself?
JUMP! I SAID JUMP BITCH!
LMAO
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I'm a slave to my desires? I've played like 5hrs total on my PS2 in the last 2 months. It's been a good 1-1.5 months since I've watched porn. Sorry I got school & friends ::) You make life seem meaningless if we aren't worshiping Allah. My religion according to you? Well that'd be going to school, kicking with my homies listening to music. Sorry it doesn't involve me being anyones slave.
So you've accomplished attending class and kicking it with your homies. There's nothing impressive about that. That ain't pulling no wieght. I don't have any problem with that, if that was your only post, no problems. The problem is when ya'll want to confront me when it comes to Islam and ya'll ain't doing anything but fullfilling the purpose for why God created a bird. A bird was created to feed learn to feed itself and then feed it's family; man on the other hand was created with the ability to reach much higher levels of elevation.
And this ain't about anybody not being a Muslim. This ain't about anybody apostating, leaving Islam. This thread is dedicated to the enemies of Islam. So step up if you got something to say against the religion. If your against the religion, get at me here! Rod is number one, he has openly rejected (denounced) Islam and became an enemy to Islam. He posts regularly on here against Islam and Muslims. Rod is your leader.
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theres 6 black kids in huge shades and white tees dancing outside to a pair of 12's in someones trunk. DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!
oh yeah and theres nothing impressive about devoting your life to religion. what a square
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A Muslim, however, is a slave to Allah.
why do you continue to belittle yourself?
JUMP! I SAID JUMP BITCH!
Make your posts as brief as possible, you haven't said nothing. Infact, you've never said nothing. All you've represented is some grade school bullying style posts, and a few uncreative, unorigional jokes to boot. You have no value, what is your purpose? Why waste our time. This life is too short, too short.
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And this ain't about anybody not being a Muslim. This ain't about anybody apostating, leaving Islam. This thread is dedicated to the enemies of Islam. So step up if you got something to say against the religion. If your against the religion, get at me here! Rod is number one, he has openly rejected (denounced) Islam and became an enemy to Islam. He posts regularly on here against Islam and Muslims. Rod is your leader.
if this is not an act to get a rise outta people, then you have some very deep seeded issues. If you want to turn this around and bring up my flaws go right ahead but this thread is about you. Like I said if this thread is not a joke, then you need help b/c your a sick and twisted person.
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It ain't all about that, there's one big difference between you and Tech. Tech is a Muslim and you are not. Tech declares himself openly to be a Muslim, and you on the other hand have openly declared yourself not to be a Muslim.
Oh, I see. So why don't I just say I'm a Muslim too then. What difference does it make? There isn't anything that Tech does as far as sinning goes that I don't do. So I can just be a Muslim anytime I want to, huh? Shit, as far as I'm concerned Islam will always stay with me anyway. I'm just not active in it, so I don't like labeling myself a Muslim. It's simple. Tech is his own man, he can decide if he wants to label himself a Muslim, that's on him and his spirtual path. Do you see the road I'm taking with this? Prolly not. No reason to continue because you can't respect it, but then again who are you to respect it? At the end of the day, you're just a confused white boy whether you like it or not.
I don't act like a "bad-ass", as a matter of fact I don't even know what that is. Define it. But would you for example survive wit my people in my neighbourhood? lol, not even a chance. I guess if the heart that I have makes me a bad-ass, then so be it.
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And this ain't about anybody not being a Muslim. This ain't about anybody apostating, leaving Islam. This thread is dedicated to the enemies of Islam. So step up if you got something to say against the religion. If your against the religion, get at me here!
This has nothing to do with the enemies of Muslim. Most the people here have nothing against Islam except for a view idiots like CWalker and them. You are just generalizing the people on this forum, then attacking despite the fact that only a small precent have sad anything against Islam that you didn't start by bashing some aspect of their lives. You may feel they do because in every post you make attacks against aspects of Christianty, America, or non Muslim life in general, so people feel the need to retaliate. Any time someone says something bad about you, you think they insulted all Muslims just because the thread you started had to do with Islam. In a way you started this whole thing with your constant threads about how America's life is a lie and how the world is basicaly dumb and useless without Islam. You started this thread and are now butt hurt because people are retaliating to something you started. You have no respect on anything that dosen't have to do with Islam. Show no respect, recieve no respect. That is a general rule in in life.
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man on the other hand was created with the ability to reach much higher levels of elevation.
which is why you are a slave to the skys, sit at your computer and argue with people who think your existence is a fuckin joke
kill yourself... KILL YO SELF
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It ain't all about that, there's one big difference between you and Tech. Tech is a Muslim and you are not. Tech declares himself openly to be a Muslim, and you on the other hand have openly declared yourself not to be a Muslim.
Oh, I see. So why don't I just say I'm a Muslim too then. What difference does it make? There isn't anything that Tech does as far as sinning goes that I don't do. So I can just be a Muslim anytime I want to, huh? Shit, as far as I'm concerned Islam will always stay with me anyway. I'm just not active in it, so I don't like labeling myself a Muslim. It's simple. Tech is his own man, he can decide if he wants to label himself a Muslim, that's on him and his spirtual path. Do you see the road I'm taking with this? Prolly not. No reason to continue because you can't respect it, but then again who are you to respect it? At the end of the day, you're just a confused white boy whether you like it or not.
I don't act like a "bad-ass", as a matter of fact I don't even know what that is. Define it. But would you for example survive wit my people in my neighbourhood? lol, not even a chance. I guess if the heart that I have makes me a bad-ass, then so be it.
First of all, if Allah wills it, I would survive just fine where you live. Allah is my protector wherever I go. Allah created all things and all conditions, he created protection and safety, and if he chooses to keep me in safety then nothing can harm me. I've travelled across the world, by myself, I've travelled through three Arab countries, (where I didn't even speak the language of the people) by myself. I depend on Allah.
Also, you've positioned yourself at this forum as a staunch enemy of Islam and Muslims. That's where the beef comes. Muslims don't have any beef or any quarrel with anybody except those who oppose and fight against Islam.
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And this ain't about anybody not being a Muslim. This ain't about anybody apostating, leaving Islam. This thread is dedicated to the enemies of Islam. So step up if you got something to say against the religion. If your against the religion, get at me here!
This has nothing to do with the enemies of Muslim. Most the people here have nothing against Islam except for a view idiots like CWalker and them. You are just generalizing the people on this forum, then attacking despite the fact that only a small precent have sad anything against Islam that you didn't start by bashing some aspect of their lives. You may feel they do because in every post you make attacks against aspects of Christianty, America, or non Muslim life in general, so people feel the need to retaliate. Any time someone says something bad about you, you think they insulted all Muslims just because the thread you started had to do with Islam. In a way you started this whole thing with your constant threads about how America's life is a lie and how the world is basicaly dumb and useless without Islam. You started this thread and are now butt hurt because people are retaliating to something you started. You have no respect on anything that dosen't have to do with Islam. Show no respect, recieve no respect. That is a general rule in in life.
thats real right there... and for the record, i dont hate muslims either, i just hate on some internet muslims.. i have muslim friends, and i cant imagine arguing with them over anything to do with religion, because they have respect for me and i treat them the same. that doesnt happen on a message board i guess. and i regret lashing out on the muslims like i did before, because i had no right to, even though i completely disagree with their beliefs, so i'm sorry for that.
and how infinite is thinking, is the same as how those crazy terrorists think, everyone is the enemy just because they dont agree with him. i wouldnt be surprised if infinite is signed up for suicide bombing 101.
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It ain't all about that, there's one big difference between you and Tech. Tech is a Muslim and you are not. Tech declares himself openly to be a Muslim, and you on the other hand have openly declared yourself not to be a Muslim.
Oh, I see. So why don't I just say I'm a Muslim too then. What difference does it make? There isn't anything that Tech does as far as sinning goes that I don't do. So I can just be a Muslim anytime I want to, huh? Shit, as far as I'm concerned Islam will always stay with me anyway. I'm just not active in it, so I don't like labeling myself a Muslim. It's simple. Tech is his own man, he can decide if he wants to label himself a Muslim, that's on him and his spirtual path. Do you see the road I'm taking with this? Prolly not. No reason to continue because you can't respect it, but then again who are you to respect it? At the end of the day, you're just a confused white boy whether you like it or not.
I don't act like a "bad-ass", as a matter of fact I don't even know what that is. Define it. But would you for example survive wit my people in my neighbourhood? lol, not even a chance. I guess if the heart that I have makes me a bad-ass, then so be it.
First of all, if Allah wills it, I would survive just fine where you live. Allah is my protector wherever I go. Allah created all things and all conditions, he created protection and safety, and if he chooses to keep me in safety then nothing can harm me. I've travelled across the world, by myself, I've travelled through three Arab countries, (where I didn't even speak the language of the people) by myself. I depend on Allah.
Also, you've positioned yourself at this forum as a staunch enemy of Islam and Muslims. That's where the beef comes. Muslims don't have any beef or any quarrel with anybody except those who oppose and fight against Islam.
if u lived in a house with someone for a week, lets say it was me, and i wanted to kick your ass all day everyday for a week
allah wouldnt stop me, i can assure u of that
PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ISLAM
THEY JUST DONT LIKE YOU
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And this ain't about anybody not being a Muslim. This ain't about anybody apostating, leaving Islam. This thread is dedicated to the enemies of Islam. So step up if you got something to say against the religion. If your against the religion, get at me here!
This has nothing to do with the enemies of Muslim. Most the people here have nothing against Islam except for a view idiots like CWalker and them. You are just generalizing the people on this forum, then attacking despite the fact that only a small precent have sad anything against Islam that you didn't start by bashing some aspect of their lives. You may feel they do because in every post you make attacks against aspects of Christianty, America, or non Muslim life in general, so people feel the need to retaliate. Any time someone says something bad about you, you think they insulted all Muslims just because the thread you started had to do with Islam. In a way you started this whole thing with your constant threads about how America's life is a lie and how the world is basicaly dumb and useless without Islam. You started this thread and are now butt hurt because people are retaliating to something you started. You have no respect on anything that dosen't have to do with Islam. Show no respect, recieve no respect. That is a general rule in in life.
There is no point in trying to argue logic with infinte. His problems run a lot deeper then religion. Problems from childhood he never confronted instead put the blame on to other people and now well look at him.
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I was going to make a long response towards Infinite's response to me, but I decided against it. It just goes around in circles, so I think it best to avoid. Take care Infinite, have a nice day.
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I was going to make a long response towards Infinite's response to me, but I decided against it. It just goes around in circles, so I think it best to avoid. Take care Infinite, have a nice day.
The most sensible words spoken in this thread.
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I was going to make a long response towards Infinite's response to me, but I decided against it. It just goes around in circles, so I think it best to avoid. Take care Infinite, have a nice day.
The most sensible words spoken in this thread.
I give a nice detailed infomative response and Lincoln steals the thunder with just 3 sentences. :( Now I understand why he as the lowest karma on this board. ;D
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I was going to make a long response towards Infinite's response to me, but I decided against it. It just goes around in circles, so I think it best to avoid. Take care Infinite, have a nice day.
The most sensible words spoken in this thread.
I give a nice detailed infomative response and Lincoln steals the thunder with just 3 sentences. :( Now I understand why he as the lowest karma on this board. ;D
You won't win though, Infinite will just keep posting no matter what. He's like the Terminator.
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I was going to make a long response towards Infinite's response to me, but I decided against it. It just goes around in circles, so I think it best to avoid. Take care Infinite, have a nice day.
The most sensible words spoken in this thread.
I give a nice detailed infomative response and Lincoln steals the thunder with just 3 sentences. :( Now I understand why he as the lowest karma on this board. ;D
You won't win though, Infinite will just keep posting no matter what. He's like the Terminator.
Yeah, he ignores most my posts anyway.
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^^^ cause u make sense like everyone else arguing with him
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So the fact that I oppose some aspects of Islam makes me an enemy of Islam?
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I was going to make a long response towards Infinite's response to me, but I decided against it. It just goes around in circles, so I think it best to avoid. Take care Infinite, have a nice day.
The most sensible words spoken in this thread.
I give a nice detailed infomative response and Lincoln steals the thunder with just 3 sentences. :( Now I understand why he as the lowest karma on this board. ;D
Being a straight shooter has it's advantages ;D.
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What the hell? What a prick, you gotta grow up man.
^^ Coming from another apostate.
Ask yourself why you have a problem with my comments about Rod, but when he has posted against me for the last couple years you never said a word. The reason why is your as fake as he is. Ya'll belong together.
How is Linc any more an apostate than you are? You were raised Christian and you tunred your back on the glory of Jesus and his message and joined Islam. Linc was raised Christian and he was lost and thought Islam was the answer but then good ol' J.C. came a knockin' and Linc re-openned a door he once closed. If anything, Linc is less an apostate than you.
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be easy on him guys.... believe it or not as fucked up as brian comes off, at one time he did have a good heart. And believe it or not his turn to islam is not the reason he has a screw loose. He has deep seeded issues he never bothered dealing with since he was a youth and in his teen year that left him ill prepared for the real world when he thought he was ready for it. Duke has some real issues.
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I'm not even sure he's a real person. It would come as no surprise to me if he's an alias to someone working on a sociological study.
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I'm not even sure he's a real person. It would come as no surprise to me if he's an alias to someone working on a sociological study.
I agree, no doubt he is a bit to the extreme in his views but i think hes like cwalker now where he says stuff beyond extreme just to get a reaction out of us now.
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Sometimes keeping faking it is a good thing. I think Infinite needs it explained by a fellow Muslim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBlWEAvqvno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY8YnoJcn_M
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be easy on him guys.... believe it or not as fucked up as brian comes off, at one time he did have a good heart. And believe it or not his turn to islam is not the reason he has a screw loose. He has deep seeded issues he never bothered dealing with since he was a youth and in his teen year that left him ill prepared for the real world when he thought he was ready for it. Duke has some real issues.
"It is not the critic that counts. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena... who at best knows in the end the triumphs of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place will never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
TR
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So the fact that I oppose some aspects of Islam makes me an enemy of Islam?
No, I haven't known you to be somebody who is an enemy of Islam. This is just one instance where we disagreed. We've corresponded many times on this forum, I don't see you as someone I'm on a collision course with. I'd like you to forgive me if I upset you, because your not someone that I want to be at odds with. Much props and respects, peace.
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Being a straight shooter has it's advantages ;D.
It's not being a straight shooter, it's just playing polotics. You went from being a Muslim to being a polotician. The difference is a Muslim tries to please Allah and a polotician in your case is a populist (and I know that's a term you don't mind being tagged with). So ofcourse, being a populist your going to give Rod a free pass for all the times he's attacked me personally and attacked my religion, but then your going to join with the rest of the crowd on this thread and call me names, and so on. Whatever man, you don't got to question who I really am, your the one that isn't keeping it real; you go whichever way the wind blows.
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yo Infinite, keep it real dogg
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brian stop....if you're trying to convert everyone to islam you're accomplishing the exact opposite...
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
I can't imagine what would happen to his psyche if he ever came to the conclusion that organized religion ain't what he thought it was. I think it'd be too much for him to handle.
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All I can say is this guy's a NUT. He goes through all these phases and he still hasn't truely figured out what to do with his identity. I'm not even going to try to state my points anymore. I truely believe there are fundamental problems that nothing I can say will change his views on anything he states. So I'm going to leave it at that.
And since this thread got so big, I'ma throw in some shameless promo....
www.servnu151.com
www.turfdout.com
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Ya'll really think there is seriously something wrong with Infinite? I always thought he was just ashamed of being white. So he thinks he could just preach a bunch about Islam, in hopes of some how being considered an Arab.
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^^^ yes, everyone thinks he's a fuckin weirdo
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Ya'll really think there is seriously something wrong with Infinite? I always thought he was just ashamed of being white. So he thinks he could just preach a bunch about Islam, in hopes of some how being considered an Arab.
Self loathing is one of his prevalent personality traits.
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lol what a thread i like that hehe someone's getting azz kicked in here hehe
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the thing with this guy is, I feel he knows some of the things he so strongly stands by are false
and when people BLATANLY come with correct words that overpower what he previously said, he chooses to ignore it and continue with saying some shit he thinks is right, but really knows he's wrong
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
I can't imagine what would happen to his psyche if he ever came to the conclusion that organized religion ain't what he thought it was. I think it'd be too much for him to handle.
Overseer banned me and deleted my account one time, so I came back on a different name HipHopIsDead and the MasterP thing. Mostly, however, I don't like to waste time at this forum. As I've said in a previous post, I believe that the hip-hop generation is going to be the next segment of American society to join Islam in crowds; so I spend alot of time talking about the religion here.
I also believe that hip-hop culture has alot of connections with Islam, so I feel it's appropriate here. Hip-Hop's pioneers the Zulu Nation are were Pan Islam/Pan African, and the name "Rap" was used in the 60's for Black Revolutionary H. "Rap" Browne to describe the poetic way in which he gave his speaches; H. "Rap" Browne has since converted to Islam and he is one of the most well known Muslim Imams in America. He has a large and vibrant community in Atlanta, Georgia and he is the leader of many Muslims all over America.
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^^
i love this guy
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
I can't imagine what would happen to his psyche if he ever came to the conclusion that organized religion ain't what he thought it was. I think it'd be too much for him to handle.
Overseer banned me and deleted my account one time, so I came back on a different name HipHopIsDead and the MasterP thing. Mostly, however, I don't like to waste time at this forum. As I've said in a previous post, I believe that the hip-hop generation is going to be the next segment of American society to join Islam in crowds; so I spend alot of time talking about the religion here.
I also believe that hip-hop culture has alot of connections with Islam, so I feel it's appropriate here. Hip-Hop's pioneers the Zulu Nation are were Pan Islam/Pan African, and the name "Rap" was used in the 60's for Black Revolutionary H. "Rap" Browne to describe the poetic way in which he gave his speaches; H. "Rap" Browne has since converted to Islam and he is one of the most well known Muslim Imams in America. He has a large and vibrant community in Atlanta, Georgia and he is the leader of many Muslims all over America.
judging by everyones replies, i think its safe to say hip-hop isnt all that keen on islam... yeah there are muslim rappers/fans etc, there are also christians/catholics etc... why wont you go to a hip-hop event, which serves alcohol, and get up on stage and start preaching the qu'ran... lets see what kind of response you'll get.
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I mean seriously, you're a white kid from the suburbs of America who had typical family problems and fell in love with a bitch who killed you on the inside. So you turned to Islam because that's WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME! You ever wonder why the finest most top notch females get with a guy who you don't feel is on her level? Because that guy was there at the RIGHT time, he saved her. Islam saved you. It could have been anything, it could have been another girl, it could have been drugs, it could have been a gang, but it happened to be some guy who you admired for his faith. And that's who inspired you to motivate yourself and pick up the Quran.
First of all, you don't know my background as well as you think you do, and don't be so certain that your upbringing was any more challenging than my own.
Secondly, you can't really speak on the impact of Islam in my life because you've never truly understood Islam for what it really is. People don't truly understand something unless they make sacrifice for it. We have a saying amongst the brothers I study with. If you want to truly understand what we are studying, it can not be learned in a book, you have to make effort upon it. Like Allah says in the Qu'ran, the book knowledge can become "like books on the back of a donkey" unless there is effort and sacrifice the reality will not enter your heart.
It's like a spoiled rich kid who grows up and his dad gives him everything. Let's say his dad gives him a benz for his 16th birthday. He may go out and wreck it the next day and think nothing of it. Then, let's say another person works hard labor for ten years, works overtime every week, makes great sacrifice and effort, saving every dime until he finally is able to by the same car. This individual will be much more careful with it, he'll spend hours washing and waxing it, and it will mean so much more to him.
It's the same concept in Islam. You were born in a Muslim country. So Islam was around you when you were a little kid. But you never made any effort or sacrifice so the reality of the religion never entered your heart. For me to go from being an average American white boy, drinking, partying, clubs, bars, at age 18, to travelling through Mekkah at age 20 was not an overnight transition. I had to make alot of effort and sacrifice just to put my face to the floor the first time I performed the Islamic prayer. I had to face alot of people who didn't understand me, and still do. I'm not complaining, because it's actually only made me to value the religion even more.
Last point I want to make, is Islam wasn't just something that was in the right place at the right time. Various demons I had been dealing with at the time of my conversion I'd actually been dealing with for a long time, and I'd been actively pursuing many avenues to change my internal and external condition for about 3 years, but it was to no avail.
Call it conscious sublimation if you want. I had been using my energy in ways that weren't constructive. Nothing I tried worked, but the change finally took place when I re-directed my energy's towards Islam. Once you become certain that there is nothing worthy of one's devotion than the Highest Power, it sets all of your affairs in order. You have one direction and that's to spend your life worshiping the Most High, the First, the Last, the Eternal Absolute. You negate everything else. Islam is the only religion that has the program that teaches a person how to do this.
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I mean seriously, you're a white kid from the suburbs of America who had typical family problems and fell in love with a bitch who killed you on the inside. So you turned to Islam because that's WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME! You ever wonder why the finest most top notch females get with a guy who you don't feel is on her level? Because that guy was there at the RIGHT time, he saved her. Islam saved you. It could have been anything, it could have been another girl, it could have been drugs, it could have been a gang, but it happened to be some guy who you admired for his faith. And that's who inspired you to motivate yourself and pick up the Quran.
First of all, you don't know my background as well as you think you do, and don't be so certain that your upbringing was any more challenging than my own.
just wondering.....what was so challenging about your child hood
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just wondering.....what was so challenging about your child hood
Seriously man, how ignorant are you? Are you really that superficial to think that if somebody grows up in a middle class white family then their upbringing is a breaze? Damn, you really equate everything to money and race don't you? You only have the most basic carnal knowledge about life. That's pathetic man.
Rod tells a few tales about growing up in the Bay and automatically he's hardcore? Damn, ya'll can't be serious. Life ain't as simple as you are.
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Being a straight shooter has it's advantages ;D.
It's not being a straight shooter, it's just playing polotics. You went from being a Muslim to being a polotician. The difference is a Muslim tries to please Allah and a polotician in your case is a populist (and I know that's a term you don't mind being tagged with). So ofcourse, being a populist your going to give Rod a free pass for all the times he's attacked me personally and attacked my religion, but then your going to join with the rest of the crowd on this thread and call me names, and so on. Whatever man, you don't got to question who I really am, your the one that isn't keeping it real; you go whichever way the wind blows.
whats a polOtician?
Stop trying to talk like an academic or intellectual. because you're not one. Just a deluded transparent loser.. :loser:
Look at the people on here saying the same things i've said for ages.. you're fake, a phoney, an islam stan..
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
I can't imagine what would happen to his psyche if he ever came to the conclusion that organized religion ain't what he thought it was. I think it'd be too much for him to handle.
Overseer banned me and deleted my account one time, so I came back on a different name HipHopIsDead and the MasterP thing. Mostly, however, I don't like to waste time at this forum. As I've said in a previous post, I believe that the hip-hop generation is going to be the next segment of American society to join Islam in crowds; so I spend alot of time talking about the religion here.
I also believe that hip-hop culture has alot of connections with Islam, so I feel it's appropriate here. Hip-Hop's pioneers the Zulu Nation are were Pan Islam/Pan African, and the name "Rap" was used in the 60's for Black Revolutionary H. "Rap" Browne to describe the poetic way in which he gave his speaches; H. "Rap" Browne has since converted to Islam and he is one of the most well known Muslim Imams in America. He has a large and vibrant community in Atlanta, Georgia and he is the leader of many Muslims all over America.
The word "rap" used to describe a way a person talks has been around b4 homeboy here. Rap didnt get its name from this dude as much as you would like to believe it.
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Ya'll really think there is seriously something wrong with Infinite? I always thought he was just ashamed of being white. So he thinks he could just preach a bunch about Islam, in hopes of some how being considered an Arab.
He's a mental case and needs serious help, but psychiatrical help might not be the answer. A bullet in the head should do the work.
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Islam is the only religion that has the program that teaches a person how to do this.
Tom Cruise may disagree with that.
And since you spend your time now worshipping the most high; is ridiculing and looking down on people a part of that worship? Just wondering.
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
I can't imagine what would happen to his psyche if he ever came to the conclusion that organized religion ain't what he thought it was. I think it'd be too much for him to handle.
Overseer banned me and deleted my account one time, so I came back on a different name HipHopIsDead and the MasterP thing. Mostly, however, I don't like to waste time at this forum. As I've said in a previous post, I believe that the hip-hop generation is going to be the next segment of American society to join Islam in crowds; so I spend alot of time talking about the religion here.
I also believe that hip-hop culture has alot of connections with Islam, so I feel it's appropriate here. Hip-Hop's pioneers the Zulu Nation are were Pan Islam/Pan African, and the name "Rap" was used in the 60's for Black Revolutionary H. "Rap" Browne to describe the poetic way in which he gave his speaches; H. "Rap" Browne has since converted to Islam and he is one of the most well known Muslim Imams in America. He has a large and vibrant community in Atlanta, Georgia and he is the leader of many Muslims all over America.
What the fuck u talking about?get the fuck out with ur religion if there is something i cant stand is fucking religion
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^lol
Islam is the only religion that has the program that teaches a person how to do this.
Tom Cruise may disagree with that.
And since you spend your time now worshipping the most high; is ridiculing and looking down on people a part of that worship? Just wondering.
i dont think you'll get a reply to be honest..
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Last point I want to make, is Islam wasn't just something that was in the right place at the right time. Various demons I had been dealing with at the time of my conversion I'd actually been dealing with for a long time, and I'd been actively pursuing many avenues to change my internal and external condition for about 3 years, but it was to no avail.
Call it conscious sublimation if you want. I had been using my energy in ways that weren't constructive. Nothing I tried worked, but the change finally took place when I re-directed my energy's towards Islam. Once you become certain that there is nothing worthy of one's devotion than the Highest Power, it sets all of your affairs in order. You have one direction and that's to spend your life worshiping the Most High, the First, the Last, the Eternal Absolute. You negate everything else. Islam is the only religion that has the program that teaches a person how to do this.
if you needed a religion to help you get your life in order, i think you need to see a shrink
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just wondering.....what was so challenging about your child hood
Seriously man, how ignorant are you? Are you really that superficial to think that if somebody grows up in a middle class white family then their upbringing is a breaze? Damn, you really equate everything to money and race don't you? You only have the most basic carnal knowledge about life. That's pathetic man.
Rod tells a few tales about growing up in the Bay and automatically he's hardcore? Damn, ya'll can't be serious. Life ain't as simple as you are.
Infinite you FELL so EASILY into this....i KNEW you'd try to implement something here and go off on a bunch of tangical things from a simple question.....you interpret things very STRANGE if you were an adding machine 2+2 would = blue puppy dog with a sun visor. if you interpret all that from a simple question i can't help but think how'd you interpret a WHOLE book.... now with that said...
when in my post did i say anything about money
when in my post did i say anything about race
why are you attacking my knowledge
when i simply asked you "what was so challenging about your childhood?"
Simple questions deserve simple answers
answer the question, and quit being so quick to jump to conclusions
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just wondering.....what was so challenging about your child hood
Seriously man, how ignorant are you? Are you really that superficial to think that if somebody grows up in a middle class white family then their upbringing is a breaze? Damn, you really equate everything to money and race don't you? You only have the most basic carnal knowledge about life. That's pathetic man.
Rod tells a few tales about growing up in the Bay and automatically he's hardcore? Damn, ya'll can't be serious. Life ain't as simple as you are.
Infinite you FELL so EASILY into this....i KNEW you'd try to implement something here and go off on a bunch of tangical things from a simple question.....you interpret things very STRANGE if you were an adding machine 2+2 would = blue puppy dog with a sun visor. if you interpret all that from a simple question i can't help but think how'd you interpret a WHOLE book.... now with that said...
when in my post did i say anything about money
when in my post did i say anything about race
why are you attacking my knowledge
when i simply asked you "what was so challenging about your childhood?"
Simple questions deserve simple answers
answer the question, and quit being so quick to jump to conclusions
That's what Infinte does. He either changes the subject or ignores your post completly.
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"Rap" was used in the 60's for Black Revolutionary H. "Rap" Browne to describe the poetic way in which he gave his speaches; H. "Rap" Browne has since converted to Islam and he is one of the most well known Muslim Imams in America. He has a large and vibrant community in Atlanta, Georgia and he is the leader of many Muslims all over America.
I can't find anything that suggests that the term "Rap" came from H. Rap Brown. And isn't he currently serving a life sentece for killing a sheriff's deputy, and wounding another officer in a gunbattle at his store? And weren't both of the officers Black? LOL. And didn't he do all that after converting to Islam? A real Muslim to be proud of. ::) Now if you don't mind I'm going to continue admiring MLK and Malcom X. 2 people that didn't take people's lives.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Detail_hrapbrown.jpg)
H. Rap Brown
A real cop killer
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i know i'm late on this but Malcom x AND the black panther party ARE mentioned in the history books, i remember having a test on that shit in 8th grade history class ,lol. the only place where they don't mention them 2 is in grade school (lil kids) and rightfully so. who wants kids who are watchin barney and big bird learning about fools with AK's and shit, they're not old enought to comprehend the intentions. INfinite's just talking crap cuz he ignored shit in school
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To infintes defense on Malcom X in high school, if you went to a mostly white high school, malcom X wasnt mentioned once. I moved from Queens to long island and in 4 years of high school never once was malcom X ever mentioned. As a matter of fact the text books we would use never had more then a paragraph on Malcom. But lets take my father for example. He went to a mostly black high school (andrew jackson in springfield garden queens) and all he learned was black history.
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And isn't he currently serving a life sentece for killing a sheriff's deputy, and wounding another officer in a gunbattle at his store? And weren't both of the officers Black? LOL. And didn't he do all that after converting to Islam? A real Muslim to be proud of. ::) Now if you don't mind I'm going to continue admiring MLK and Malcom X. 2 people that didn't take people's lives.
If you really want to know the truth about something. You can't just do one google search and find the first deragoratory statement about the man, and then post it up as absolute truth. That's the reason people don't know their history and lack knowledge of self. They are too quick to accept the first thing they find.
Let me put it this way. Black people don't even own Black Entertainment Television (BET), Jews at Viacom own that station. So with this in mind, how likely is it that the mass media is going to do justice to a man who was a prominent 60's Revolutionary figure for blacks? Not likely.
If you want to read a more accurate portrayal of the man. Read this basic article about who he is...
My memories of Imam Jamil Al-Amin
by Abdul Malik Mujahid
"Is there anything I can do for you? Do you need something?" asked the calm, serious, bespectacled Imam, who towered above me in height at about 6.5 feet.
The last time I met Imam Jamil al-Amin was when I was in Washington, DC on behalf of the Kosova Task force, USA. A Masjid was trying to raise funds for Kosova. I found Imam Jamil sitting there. That's when he asked me this question.
When I think back to all of my meetings with Imam Jamil, I remember him asking me the same question.
It was not just me. He asked everyone he worked with. He was always looking for ways to help people. A regular speaker at almost all Islamic conferences, I shared the stage with him many times. Not anymore though. All those who used to invite him seem to have forgotten about him.
Be mindful of Allah not fearful of the FBI
If the secret evidence law, cases against Muslim leaders and organizations, and a Grand Jury investigation of The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA)the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), etc are designed to intimidate Muslims then they are working.
ISNA's former president Dr. Ahmed Zaki Hammad's Quran Literacy Institute's assets are frozen, but neither ISNA nor the two largest Masjids in Chicago where he was an Imam have hardly done anything about it. Hammad has difficulty even raising funds for his legal defense.
One of the four top most leaders of Muslims in North America, Imam Jamil, has been in prison for a year now but hardly anything is being done for him by Muslims. It is as though we have declared him and others in his situation guilty and we are trying to forget about them. For Muslim workers and leaders, the message seems to be, "serve us until you are free" then you are on your own. Thank you very much.
Why is the Muslim community so willing and ready to forget the universal principle Allah has established for all humans: everyone is innocent until proven guilty?
Or is everyone listening to the kind of advice being give to me: "Br. Mujahid you don't want to do anything about this. The FBI is going to come after you." Whereas not all of us agree with every Muslim's agenda and rhetoric, we must not allow the fear of human beings to stop ourselves from helping Imam Jamil and others seek justice in their time of need. It goes against the Islamic principle of fearing no one except Allah.
Imam Jamil's efforts for Muslim unity
I first met Imam Jamil when Bosnia Task Force, USA called the historic rally of 50,000 Muslims in Washington DC in 1993. I was national coordinator of the task force, which was an alliance of ten national organizations of Muslims in America.
Here was a former leader of the Black Panthers standing up for "white" Bosnians, leading people of all color. I requested him, along with three other national leaders, to be the only speakers at the rally. He recruited the famous civil rights comedian Dick Gregory to be one of the speakers on the spot. At the time, he was vice president of the American Muslim Council (AMC) as well as the Amir of his community. I found him to be a humble, calm and silent person. That's where I heard his question first, "is there anything I can do for you," although he was my guest.
Imam Jamil always welcomed every move for Muslim unity. When I called the initial meeting to propose the idea of the Islamic Shura Council of North America, Imam Jamil responded wholeheartedly. Imam Jamil became the second chairman of this Shura Council.
There is one Shura Council meeting I attended with Imam Jamil which I will never forget. Dr. Syed Muhammad Sayeed, Secretary General of ISNA, Imam Plemon Al-Amin, Chairman Shura of Muslim American Society (led by Imam W. D. Mohammad), and I were present. The meeting was in Imam Jamil's community mosque in Atlanta. That is where I saw what a Masjid of poor people in America is like.
While waiting for people to arrive he picked up a broom and cleaned the Masjid. We sat down and ate one of the most simple suppers with other members of the Shura Council. I don't remember all the proceedings of the meeting. But I do remember one of the resolutions which he presented and all members supported was for the better treatment of Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind Egyptian scholar currently imprisoned in America. None of us probably thought at that moment that Imam Jamil would be charged with something and sent to prison.
On another occasion, I met him at his provision store where there was no proper place to sit except a hard wooden bench. I remember asking him, "were you involved in the robbery before you became a Muslim for which you went to prison?'
"No, I was not involved in that,' he told me.
While I was in the store, not a single customer came. There were really only a few things to buy in that store. Imam Jamil is a supporter of natural, healthy products, and I could see a lot of material selected based on that criteria. While no customers came to the store, several young and old people did, asking Imam Jamil to give them some money. And a person who probably didn't have much to give, gave them anyway. He gave me a gift of honey syrup with ginseng in it.
I kept meeting him in different programs, mostly on stage, while waiting for our turn to speak. When we could talk to each other, he would always ask the question: "Is there anything I can do for you?"
In the end, it's about justice and personal responsibility
No, my reaction to Imam Jamil's plight is not an emotional response. I wanted to do something for him as soon as it became clear that he was subject to the same sort of "leading while black" phenomena.
I thought there is the Shura Counciil, ISNA and ICNA. They have always invited him to be their speaker as long as I could remember. They will do something for him. I waited and waited. I did not hear anything except the complaints by Muslim civil right activists about how difficult it has been to get their issue on the agenda of these organizations. The immigrant leadership of Islam is once again failing to lead and develop alliances with other people who are suffering in society.
So where do I stand, as someone already involved in so many things, an Imam in Chicago, leading Sound Vision, and coordinating the Kosova Task force, a father of six and a husband? I waited hoping others will stand up for Imam Jamil. But no one did much.
"What can I do for you Br. Mujahid?" The Imam's words echo in my head.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty
In this world, there is a legal system which will decide in its own way whether Imam Jamil is guilty or not. In the Everlasting World, the One Who already knows the Truth will distribute true Justice. But on that day we will be also asked the question: did we stand up for justice or not?
And that's the day I will be asked what I did for Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, or Imam Jamil al-Amin. That's the Day when we'll also have to answer if we were just standing up for Imam Jamil because he is a Muslim, or were we standing up for the principle of justice for our brother and others who have been wronged like him?
It doesn't matter whether the victim who has been denied this right is Amadou Diallo or a white police officer. It makes no difference whether someone has a complex history or a non-existent police record. In this world justice is difficult. But we can try, with the help of the One Who already knows the Truth, Who will always judge people with Truth. We must ensure that we live just, principled lives, and that we take a stand when it is needed.
Remember: it can happen to you
If any of us think we are immune from the injustice now being faced by Imam Jamil, we are being blissfully ignorant. Tomorrow, you could be the next victim. Your crime: being Muslim. Or black. Or brown. Let me give you a personal example.
I and some friends were once driving to the funeral of a friend's father from Chicago to St.Louis, Missouri when we were stopped. Not by one police officer, but by a group of them. These were no traffic police.
When they questioned us, they surrounded all three sides of the car, their hands close to their guns. Where are you going? they asked. A funeral, I told them. Why aren't you dressed for the funeral, they asked. Muslims don't dress up for funerals, I responded.
We later found out that there had been an alert out in the area asking police to look out for and stop bearded men and women in Hijab on the highway. Target: Muslims.
Another example is harassment at airports. Even before racial profiling became 'law', I had been subject to it at the airport a number of times. And I'm not an African-American. I can only imagine what I would have to face if I were.
Think about it: you're calmly waiting in line, getting ready to get your luggage and just get home to see your family and relieve your jet lag. Suddenly, you're pulled aside in front of everyone, your luggage opened up for public scrutiny. Humiliating at best, degrading at worst. Your crime: you're the wrong color.
The cases of the Quranic Literacy Institute and Dr. Ahmad Zaki Hammad, as well as Chicago's Imam Khalifah are just two examples of Muslims whose rights and property (in the former case) have been unjustly taken away. Few Muslims, individuals or leaders, have spoken up in their defense.
Secret evidence is another tool which is used in America that destroys the principle of innocent until proven guilty. And yes, there are Muslims in prison in America right now, in this country that considers itself a paragon of human rights because of secret evidence. They have been proclaimed guilty until proven innocent.
Muslim civil rights = rights for all
In the end, this is an issue of Muslim civil rights. But Muslim civil rights are not exclusively for Muslims: they mean justice for all, for every human being.
And by pursuing the rights of Imam Jamil al-Amin, Muslims can not only learn about the suffering of other minorities (i.e. African-Americans) in the American judicial system. We can also do our duty of standing up for justice.
We can stand up for justice for all, justice that is bias free and guarantees, not just with words on paper, but in practice, that a person is innocent until proven guilty. From there, we can help other countries develop laws for civil rights and justice.
At this moment Muslims are isolated in their struggle for civil rights. As one of the Jewish attorneys of one Muslim victim recently told me, Muslims are the new "niggers" of America. They have to pay the price and lead other Americans. Otherwise, more of this will continue to happen to Muslims.
What can I do for you Imam Jamil?
Imam Jamil, our brother, is now in need. He is a fellow human being, who needs us. He needs us to stand up for justice, not just for him, but for the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
He has asked me and others: What can I do for you? Now we must ask ourselves what we can do for him and answer him with support and action.
Abdul Malik Mujahid is president of Sound Vision and coordinator of the Kosova Task Force, USA.
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That article was long, vague, and a little pointless. It went on about how Muslims are desciminated against, yet it doesn't mention a whole lot about Brown. Are you denying that he killed 2 cops? Are you saying it's justified to kill 2 cops? All I got from this artcle is that Muslims are being descriminated against. I already knew that (although this article takes it to a level where I think Infinite himself wrote it). It dosen't even go into detail about his situation. It goes on and on about Muslim discrimintation, talks about him, then tries to imply that he was a victim (of it) with no direct connection. H. Rap Brown, cop killer.
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Stop trying to talk like an academic or intellectual. because you're not one. Just a deluded transparent loser.. :loser:
you're fake, a phoney, an islam stan..
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That article was long, vague, and a little pointless. It went on about how Muslims are desciminated against, yet it doesn't mention a whole lot about Brown. Are you denying that he killed 2 cops? Are you saying it's justified to kill 2 cops? All I got from this artcle is that Muslims are being descriminated against. I already knew that (although this article takes it to a level where I think Infinite himself wrote it). It dosen't even go into detail about his situation. It goes on and on about Muslim discrimintation, talks about him, then tries to imply that he was a victim (of it) with no direct connection. H. Rap Brown, cop killer.
I modified my post and replaced it with an article that spends more time describing Jamil Al-Amin the man, and less time explaining the conspiracy to inprison him.
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infinite answer my question
what was so challegning about your childhood?
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infinite answer my question
what was so challegning about your childhood?
I don't feel like since I am white I should have to answer questions about my childhood. That's racism. Ya'll didn't go and ask Rod to back up all the 100's of posts he's made at the forum where he is talking all types of street stuff.
I don't claim to have the harshest upbringing, the only statement I made is that I don't feel that Rod can be so certain that his upbringing was anymore challenging than mine. So I was speaking in comparison to Rod, it was not a general statement about my childhood.
Although I do want to dispel the myth that everyone thinks white people who have a little money have it easy, and that that is all that matters. However, I don't want to disrespect the honor of my family in the process, I will however, in other threads, critisize white culture in general, and you have seen me do that many times, so go ahead and connect the dots from my previous posts if you want. White culture in America is seriously fucked up.
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^ are you saying your family is fucked up ?
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Although I do want to dispel the myth that everyone thinks white people who have a little money have it easy, and that that is all that matters.
I agree, I also find it DISGUSTING how black or latino ppl are 'cool' for their 'struggle', while any white boy is labeled a loser ass fag when he doesn't live a regular, easy life. Same goes for black or latino ppl who are 'cool' and 'ghetto' when their family is poor, but white ppl are 'trailer trash'...
Now this is no comment to talk shit about blacks or latinos, just about the way society treats them totally unequally... you see it goes both ways.
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^ are you saying your family is fucked up ?
*points to nose*
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I agree, I also find it DISGUSTING how black or latino ppl are 'cool' for their 'struggle', while any white boy is labeled a loser ass fag when he doesn't live a regular, easy life. Same goes for black or latino ppl who are 'cool' and 'ghetto' when their family is poor, but white ppl are 'trailer trash'...
Now this is no comment to talk shit about blacks or latinos, just about the way society treats them totally unequally... you see it goes both ways.
"ghetto" isn't universally cool in the black community. there is a distinction between being "street smart"/hip vs ghetto/ignorant within the black community. this is a source of division among blacks along both educational and financial/success lines. the black community simply offers a somewhat unified front to the outside world.
this is largely why oj, michael jackson, condi rice are largely supported by the black community even though within the community they aren't really that popular or beloved. i'm not suggesting the support is a sham, it's a result of a cliquish mentality.
the bottom line is i disagree with your assertion that "ghetto" is embraced within the black community. that is certainly not universal within the black community.
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wasn't it exactly you who criticized some dude for focusing his whole response on a single word, instead of making a statement about the gist of what was written?
nevermind tho, Im not only talkin about what blacks think, Im talkin bout everyone. It's no secret that there are white kids who look up to the cliche ghetto thug. it'd be news to me that ppl look up to the local trailer hick.
are you black? if so, do you really look down on blacks who live 2pac's struggle, lol? or blacks who are poor, livin in the projects, didnt finish high school n shit? It would be a real suprise to me.
ultimately, I just wish to show to ppl how different similiar life-styles are perceived by the rest of the world, when the only thing that really differs is skin color [and the things that come with it].
it's a thing that pisses me off big time, since I hate double standards with a passion.
this whole thing just came to my mind, since infinite gets mocked for "having a hard upcoming" while I know for a fucking fact that others get props and respect and love and what not for exactly the same basically.
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wasn't it exactly you who criticized some dude for focusing his whole response on a single word, instead of making a statement about the gist of what was written?
i wasn't criticizing you; i disagreed with your assertion. i only disagreed with that one point; i had no quarrel with the rest of your response.
nevermind tho, Im not only talkin about what blacks think, Im talkin bout everyone. It's no secret that there are white kids who look up to the cliche ghetto thug. it'd be news to me that ppl look up to the local trailer hick.
doesn't eminem celebrate the whole trailer park thing? or britney spears?
are you black? if so, do you really look down on blacks who live 2pac's struggle, lol? or blacks who are poor, livin in the projects, didnt finish high school n shit? It would be a real suprise to me.
i am black; and no, i don't look down on the poor or tupac's struggle. i appreciate the struggle. struggle is important. ghetto is used in many ways that stand for many different things; ghetto itself is not a negative word. i'm not arguing with the positive aspect of struggle; everyone appreciates that.
when you equated "ghetto cool" with "trailer trash" (as being the same, but perceived differently) that now has negative connotations; it's the negative celebration of blissful ignorance. that is what i was speaking about. the elements of society that mock education and dismiss the struggle as pointless; the elements that convince themselves they have no positive opportunities and thus give up; those are not accepted universally.
ultimately, I just wish to show to ppl how different similiar life-styles are perceived by the rest of the world, when the only thing that really differs is skin color [and the things that come with it].
where i disagreed with you was the mentality associated by those conditions. poverty itself is a part of life, something people struggle to deal with; but within the black community that defeatest mentality that there is no better, and the celebration of ignorance often associated with it (often seen in hip hop music and videos) is not universally celebrated.
you mention pac, even pac is criticized for celebrating "thug life" and involving himself with gangs after achieving fame and wealth. pac made some poor decisions which ultimately cost him his life. it's one thing to come up in a gang, but to associate oneself with a gang and start banging @ 30 yrs old...that's something completely different.
this whole thing just came to my mind, since infinite gets mocked for "having a hard upcoming" while I know for a fucking fact that others get props and respect and love and what not for exactly the same basically.
you get props for overcoming, sure. you don't get props simply for suffering...for that you get sympathy, empathy...but props? you need to succeed for that.
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I mean seriously, you're a white kid from the suburbs of America who had typical family problems and fell in love with a bitch who killed you on the inside. So you turned to Islam because that's WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME! You ever wonder why the finest most top notch females get with a guy who you don't feel is on her level? Because that guy was there at the RIGHT time, he saved her. Islam saved you. It could have been anything, it could have been another girl, it could have been drugs, it could have been a gang, but it happened to be some guy who you admired for his faith. And that's who inspired you to motivate yourself and pick up the Quran.
First of all, you don't know my background as well as you think you do, and don't be so certain that your upbringing was any more challenging than my own.
Secondly, you can't really speak on the impact of Islam in my life because you've never truly understood Islam for what it really is. People don't truly understand something unless they make sacrifice for it. We have a saying amongst the brothers I study with. If you want to truly understand what we are studying, it can not be learned in a book, you have to make effort upon it. Like Allah says in the Qu'ran, the book knowledge can become "like books on the back of a donkey" unless there is effort and sacrifice the reality will not enter your heart.
It's like a spoiled rich kid who grows up and his dad gives him everything. Let's say his dad gives him a benz for his 16th birthday. He may go out and wreck it the next day and think nothing of it. Then, let's say another person works hard labor for ten years, works overtime every week, makes great sacrifice and effort, saving every dime until he finally is able to by the same car. This individual will be much more careful with it, he'll spend hours washing and waxing it, and it will mean so much more to him.
It's the same concept in Islam. You were born in a Muslim country. So Islam was around you when you were a little kid. But you never made any effort or sacrifice so the reality of the religion never entered your heart. For me to go from being an average American white boy, drinking, partying, clubs, bars, at age 18, to travelling through Mekkah at age 20 was not an overnight transition. I had to make alot of effort and sacrifice just to put my face to the floor the first time I performed the Islamic prayer. I had to face alot of people who didn't understand me, and still do. I'm not complaining, because it's actually only made me to value the religion even more.
Last point I want to make, is Islam wasn't just something that was in the right place at the right time. Various demons I had been dealing with at the time of my conversion I'd actually been dealing with for a long time, and I'd been actively pursuing many avenues to change my internal and external condition for about 3 years, but it was to no avail.
Call it conscious sublimation if you want. I had been using my energy in ways that weren't constructive. Nothing I tried worked, but the change finally took place when I re-directed my energy's towards Islam. Once you become certain that there is nothing worthy of one's devotion than the Highest Power, it sets all of your affairs in order. You have one direction and that's to spend your life worshiping the Most High, the First, the Last, the Eternal Absolute. You negate everything else. Islam is the only religion that has the program that teaches a person how to do this.
And what did you sacrifise for Christianity exactly? You were born in it, saw the negatives and didn't give it a chance. And going to church with family doesn't mean anything, it isn't anywhere near the sacrifise you're talking about. I'm not saying that is what you should have done, but your analogy doesn't mean anything to me when you make statements like Islam is the ONLY religion that teaches you this, because it's nowhere near the truth. It can be teached to a person worshipping cows, it just depends how he or she takes it in at what point of life and what he or she gets out of it.
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That article was long, vague, and a little pointless. It went on about how Muslims are desciminated against, yet it doesn't mention a whole lot about Brown. Are you denying that he killed 2 cops? Are you saying it's justified to kill 2 cops? All I got from this artcle is that Muslims are being descriminated against. I already knew that (although this article takes it to a level where I think Infinite himself wrote it). It dosen't even go into detail about his situation. It goes on and on about Muslim discrimintation, talks about him, then tries to imply that he was a victim (of it) with no direct connection. H. Rap Brown, cop killer.
I modified my post and replaced it with an article that spends more time describing Jamil Al-Amin the man, and less time explaining the conspiracy to inprison him.
The thing is, I don't see him as a bad person. I've heard all about his community in Atlanta, his store, and all the things he has done. But you seem to paint him in an idealistic sence when he was far from perfect. He killed a cop. This can't be ignored just becuase of all the good things he did.
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^ man u sound like c walker
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^ man u sound like c walker
How do I sound like CWalker? Despite the fact that he was Black, and he shot 2 cops I said:
The thing is, I don't see him as a bad person. I've heard all about his community in Atlanta, his store, and all the things he has done. But you seem to paint him in an idealistic sence when he was far from perfect. He killed a cop. This can't be ignored just becuase of all the good things he did.
How soes that sound like CWalker?
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^ man u sound like c walker
How do I sound like CWalker? Despite the fact that he was Black, and he shot 2 cops I said:
The thing is, I don't see him as a bad person. I've heard all about his community in Atlanta, his store, and all the things he has done. But you seem to paint him in an idealistic sence when he was far from perfect. He killed a cop. This can't be ignored just becuase of all the good things he did.
How soes that sound like CWalker?
smh @ this ethiopian c walker
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^ man u sound like c walker
How do I sound like CWalker? Despite the fact that he was Black, and he shot 2 cops I said:
The thing is, I don't see him as a bad person. I've heard all about his community in Atlanta, his store, and all the things he has done. But you seem to paint him in an idealistic sence when he was far from perfect. He killed a cop. This can't be ignored just becuase of all the good things he did.
How soes that sound like CWalker?
smh @ this ethiopian c walker
It's easy to talk shit behind a a computer screen, isn't it? ;)
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^ man u sound like c walker
How do I sound like CWalker? Despite the fact that he was Black, and he shot 2 cops I said:
The thing is, I don't see him as a bad person. I've heard all about his community in Atlanta, his store, and all the things he has done. But you seem to paint him in an idealistic sence when he was far from perfect. He killed a cop. This can't be ignored just becuase of all the good things he did.
How soes that sound like CWalker?
smh @ this ethiopian c walker
tech even im intrigued, hows that sound like cwalker
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tech is homo, he doesnt know what hes doing, its ok
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Man...Im bustin this lil foo's balls. Every body in the yard will get checked by Tech to see if they bout it or not. Except some of the real Gs on this board that are already certified. Real recognize real.
Sunset over here is in P.C. after he got caught suckin some C-O's dick in the shower.
Banana boy and Tom are sitting together by the fence, chain smoking nasty Indian reserve cigarettes, talkin about things of interest to looney white boys.
C Walker serves ass to all the top Aryan nation bosses. And to all the niggaz too for the right price.
Kain is in the infirmatory right now. Homeboy shouldve known better. That pink fur and gucci golashes is cool in real life, but not on the yard boy.
And in the midst of all this I see Fresh Fish Ted, lying depressed in his cell holding a framed picture of his grand ma. I had to see if he had heart.
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Man...Im bustin this lil foo's balls. Every body in the yard will get checked by Tech to see if they bout it or not. Except some of the real Gs on this board that are already certified. Real recognize real.
Sunset over here is in P.C. after he got caught suckin some C-O's dick in the shower.
Banana boy and Tom are sitting together by the fence, chain smoking nasty Indian reserve cigarettes, talkin about things of interest to looney white boys.
C Walker serves ass to all the top Aryan nation bosses. And to all the niggaz too for the right price.
Kain is in the infirmatory right now. Homeboy shouldve known better. That pink fur and gucci golashes is cool in real life, but not on the yard boy.
And in the midst of all this I see Fresh Fish Ted, lying depressed in his cell holding a framed picture of his grand ma. I had to see if he had heart.
You really shouldn't try so hard. Talking gangsta doesn't add mystique to your online character, it makes people laugh at you. Not with you, AT YOU.
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You really shouldn't try so hard. Talking gangsta doesn't add mystique to your online character, it makes people laugh at you. Not with you, AT YOU.
Ey yo on some real shit, I seen yo pic doggy you look like a faggot.
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Man...Im bustin this lil foo's balls. Every body in the yard will get checked by Tech to see if they bout it or not. Except some of the real Gs on this board that are already certified. Real recognize real.
Sunset over here is in P.C. after he got caught suckin some C-O's dick in the shower.
Banana boy and Tom are sitting together by the fence, chain smoking nasty Indian reserve cigarettes, talkin about things of interest to looney white boys.
C Walker serves ass to all the top Aryan nation bosses. And to all the niggaz too for the right price.
Kain is in the infirmatory right now. Homeboy shouldve known better. That pink fur and gucci golashes is cool in real life, but not on the yard boy.
And in the midst of all this I see Fresh Fish Ted, lying depressed in his cell holding a framed picture of his grand ma. I had to see if he had heart.
LOL. That was pretty funny. :laugh: But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
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You really shouldn't try so hard. Talking gangsta doesn't add mystique to your online character, it makes people laugh at you. Not with you, AT YOU.
Ey yo on some real shit, I seen yo pic doggy you look like a faggot.
LMAO at checkin out other men's pics and calling ME a faggot. Did you grab some lotion too? But lets not get sidetracked - you sidestepped my statement. Maybe if I spoke like a real OG you'd understand... YO YO YO DOGGY, I'M STRAIGHT BUSTIN SOME CAPS ON YA AZZ NIGGA. I'M POSTED UP ON THIS KEYBOARD TYPING HARD AS A MUTHA FUCKA. YOU THINK I GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THIS KEYBOARD NIGGA? I'LL BREAK THIS MOTHA FUCKIN KEYBOARD NIGGA. DON'T LET ME CATCH YOU IN THESE STREETS. I STAY DEEP WIT MY PEEPS. ASK ANYONE IN MY HOOD AND THEY'LL TELL YOU I BEEN PUTTIN IN WORK FROM DAY ONE. I RUN MY CITY NIGGA. BRING YOUR HARDEST E-HOMIES AND I'LL BRING MINE AND WE'LL THROW DOWN IN A YAHOO CHAT. YOU PICK THE FORUM. I'LL LEAVE YOU 6 FEET DEEP NIGGA!
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Man...Im bustin this lil foo's balls. Every body in the yard will get checked by Tech to see if they bout it or not. Except some of the real Gs on this board that are already certified. Real recognize real.
Sunset over here is in P.C. after he got caught suckin some C-O's dick in the shower.
Banana boy and Tom are sitting together by the fence, chain smoking nasty Indian reserve cigarettes, talkin about things of interest to looney white boys.
C Walker serves ass to all the top Aryan nation bosses. And to all the niggaz too for the right price.
Kain is in the infirmatory right now. Homeboy shouldve known better. That pink fur and gucci golashes is cool in real life, but not on the yard boy.
And in the midst of all this I see Fresh Fish Ted, lying depressed in his cell holding a framed picture of his grand ma. I had to see if he had heart.
LMFAO its been a while since something on the dubcc made me laugh out loud but that did especially kain and ted's lol
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LMAO at checkin out other men's pics and calling ME a faggot. Did you grab some lotion too? But lets not get sidetracked - you sidestepped my statement. Maybe if I spoke like a real OG you'd understand... YO YO YO DOGGY, I'M STRAIGHT BUSTIN SOME CAPS ON YA AZZ NIGGA. I'M POSTED UP ON THIS KEYBOARD TYPING HARD AS A MUTHA FUCKA. YOU THINK I GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THIS KEYBOARD NIGGA? I'LL BREAK THIS MOTHA FUCKIN KEYBOARD NIGGA. DON'T LET ME CATCH YOU IN THESE STREETS. I STAY DEEP WIT MY PEEPS. ASK ANYONE IN MY HOOD AND THEY'LL TELL YOU I BEEN PUTTIN IN WORK FROM DAY ONE. I RUN MY CITY NIGGA. BRING YOUR HARDEST E-HOMIES AND I'LL BRING MINE AND WE'LL THROW DOWN IN A YAHOO CHAT. YOU PICK THE FORUM. I'LL LEAVE YOU 6 FEET DEEP NIGGA!
you see WCC? this is the shit that im talkin about. Im having a pow wow here my man Ted, fuckin around , clownin and shit, and along comes this monkey
youre pathetic. no seriously u are. i mean, forget the homo pic for a second, that couldve been u on a bad day. Ill allow that.
Out of all the posters on this board, youre easily the most annoying and useless. youre crakkkerism is drippin from your post. And youre not even funny. Or witty. Or intelligent. Nothing man. Nothing. :-\
Go back to singing along to hood songs and throwin ur dubs up in front of ur mirror, you lame.
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Man...Im bustin this lil foo's balls. Every body in the yard will get checked by Tech to see if they bout it or not. Except some of the real Gs on this board that are already certified. Real recognize real.
Banana boy and Tom are sitting together by the fence, chain smoking nasty Indian reserve cigarettes, talkin about things of interest to looney white boys.
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if you were wondering tho, pidgeons.... we talk about pidgeons..... and who got next on siavash
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Siavash is in P.C. right now. Aint no one touchin him but the C-O's. No Jomo.
He cant come back in general pop. That boy got a mouth. >:(
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So who's the prision snitch that gets beaten to the point where he can't consume food anymore unless it's out of a straw?
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roses are red, violets are blue, ni****s are black you know thats true
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
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So who's the prision snitch that gets beaten to the point where he can't consume food anymore unless it's out of a straw?
only a snitch would ask who the snitch is. But if your not the snitch then its nik without a doubt... he made his girl take the fall that one time lol.
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
LOL. Get that toothbrush away from me. You misunderstood me.
But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
I was shooting AT the cops. But since a white guy recetnly got aquited for armed robbery they didn't want to go punish a Black guy for this, fearing it would cause an upraor in the community (not to mention they shot me 6 times). So they gave me a smaller conviction (considering what I could of got).
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
LOL. Get that toothbrush away from me. You misunderstood me.
But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
I was shooting AT the cops. But since a white guy recetnly got aquited for armed robbery they didn't want to go punish a Black guy for this, fearing it would cause an upraor in the community (not to mention they shot me 6 times). So they gave me a smaller conviction (considering what I could of got).
oh....alright then...you cool
*takes toothbrush out of ass*
*puts it back in Toms drawer*
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So who's the prision snitch that gets beaten to the point where he can't consume food anymore unless it's out of a straw?
only a snitch would ask who the snitch is. But if your not the snitch then its nik without a doubt... he made his girl take the fall that one time lol.
How can I be the snitch? I'm fresh in the joint. I beat the shit out of the weakest guy in prison (Oklin) so people will think I'm crazy. People will avoid conflict with you when they think you're crazy.
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
LOL. Get that toothbrush away from me. You misunderstood me.
But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
I was shooting AT the cops. But since a white guy recetnly got aquited for armed robbery they didn't want to go punish a Black guy for this, fearing it would cause an upraor in the community (not to mention they shot me 6 times). So they gave me a smaller conviction (considering what I could of got).
oh....alright then...you cool
*takes toothbrush out of ass*
*puts it back in Toms drawer*
so plans off... me, you, and j bananas arent going to surround ted in the shower and show him what we think of snitches.... and too think i looked at my playboy stashed under my bed to get my excited for nothing
well its been fun, toms got work in 30 minutes
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But if your not the snitch then its nik without a doubt... he made his girl take the fall that one time lol.
That rumor's about as fake as Rod... :-*
-The Legend
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
LOL. Get that toothbrush away from me. You misunderstood me.
But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
I was shooting AT the cops. But since a white guy recetnly got aquited for armed robbery they didn't want to go punish a Black guy for this, fearing it would cause an upraor in the community (not to mention they shot me 6 times). So they gave me a smaller conviction (considering what I could of got).
oh....alright then...you cool
*takes toothbrush out of ass*
*puts it back in Toms drawer*
so plans off... me, you, and j bananas arent going to surround ted in the shower and show him what we think of snitches.... and too think i looked at my playboy stashed under my bed to get my excited for nothing
well its been fun, toms got work in 30 minutes
damn, I was gonna shank banana boy right after i dusted off ted....
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
LOL. Get that toothbrush away from me. You misunderstood me.
But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
I was shooting AT the cops. But since a white guy recetnly got aquited for armed robbery they didn't want to go punish a Black guy for this, fearing it would cause an upraor in the community (not to mention they shot me 6 times). So they gave me a smaller conviction (considering what I could of got).
oh....alright then...you cool
*takes toothbrush out of ass*
*puts it back in Toms drawer*
so plans off... me, you, and j bananas arent going to surround ted in the shower and show him what we think of snitches.... and too think i looked at my playboy stashed under my bed to get my excited for nothing
well its been fun, toms got work in 30 minutes
damn, I was gonna shank banana boy right after i dusted off ted....
That's mean. You said I was cool. What did I do?
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I dont know...alot of candidates. Wasnt your ass the one upset cuz a cop got murdered?
thats sounds highly snitch like to me >:(
*hides sharpened toothbrush in ass*
*slowly approaches Ted*
LOL. Get that toothbrush away from me. You misunderstood me.
But the only way I'll be in a cell is if I some how recover from those bullet wounds shooting at the cops in "self defence".
I was shooting AT the cops. But since a white guy recetnly got aquited for armed robbery they didn't want to go punish a Black guy for this, fearing it would cause an upraor in the community (not to mention they shot me 6 times). So they gave me a smaller conviction (considering what I could of got).
oh....alright then...you cool
*takes toothbrush out of ass*
*puts it back in Toms drawer*
so plans off... me, you, and j bananas arent going to surround ted in the shower and show him what we think of snitches.... and too think i looked at my playboy stashed under my bed to get my excited for nothing
well its been fun, toms got work in 30 minutes
damn, I was gonna shank banana boy right after i dusted off ted....
That's mean. You said I was cool. What did I do?
man thats when me and tom had snitch suspicions about u...but ure cool ....
for now
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YOOO TOM HAd some of that jail hourse liquor made out of patatowes ya noy fucked up
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i cum in da nayme of jeezes, by th powr of tha holy spit
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lol @ "fake it till you make it" thats so fucken lame
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But if your not the snitch then its nik without a doubt... he made his girl take the fall that one time lol.
That rumor's about as fake as Rod... :-*
-The Legend
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Bump this awesome thread.
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wow infinite calling niggas out...ive seen it all now.
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Damn.
Calls out people who grew up Muslim and calls them fake.
Calls out blacks and calls them Uncle Toms.
I'm sensing an identity crisis.
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Everyone's a phony except for Brian and black people who fit Brian's stereotype of what black people should be.
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brian is in touch with his inner african.
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^And by that, you mean he's had an African inside him? :-X
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
Nice post, I have to admit.
Most of what people say against me at the forum is bullshit.. but this is one post where I have to admit someone was spot on.
...as far as the thread in general, Islam isn't my #1 focus now like it was then, but I do think I made some good points in this thread that most people were too conformist to recognize.
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you are white.
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
Nice post, I have to admit.
Most of what people say against me at the forum is bullshit.. but this is one post where I have to admit someone was spot on.
...as far as the thread in general, Islam isn't my #1 focus now like it was then, but I do think I made some good points in this thread that most people were too conformist to recognize.
I vaguely remember posting that. I thought you were just hardcore trolling.
It's all good to have your views, and fuck anyone who has a problem with it. Trust me I've got some far out views myself. I think you make yourself a target sometimes because you can come across self-righteous and hypocritical.
Also, I'm sure you have some white guilt built up inside. And that's natural too because all you read about growing up is how whitey raped and pillaged and owned slaves. The reality is, it's not necessarily white people that did it, it's the elite ruling class which includes various races. It's these people who were doing all of the atrocious shit you read about in history books. But everything you read in those books has an underlying societal agenda that the powers that be wish to engrain in your head. The whole point of public schools is indoctrination into the system. That's it. It's not to make you an independent and critical thinker. So on some subconscious level they make YOU feel like you need to atone for THEIR mistakes. It's the way our entire system is set up.
Your Africa thread is dope, and you are a good writer when describing it all.
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I think something really bad happened to Infinite in late 2004. He went a few weeks where every post he made was about how hip hop was dead. Then he thought he was Master P for a few weeks. Then, nearly every post since his Master P phase has been about Islam. These have gotten more extreme and more obsessive as time went on.
And I don't think he's faking it. I don't think he could keep up a charade for this long, and dedicate as much time to reading and learning Islam. I think he's had some serious problems and he's latched on to his religion and he's focused 100% of brain on it. Talking about how he was frustrated being in class / work because he could have spent that time studying Islam.
Nice post, I have to admit.
Most of what people say against me at the forum is bullshit.. but this is one post where I have to admit someone was spot on.
...as far as the thread in general, Islam isn't my #1 focus now like it was then, but I do think I made some good points in this thread that most people were too conformist to recognize.
I vaguely remember posting that. I thought you were just hardcore trolling.
It's all good to have your views, and fuck anyone who has a problem with it. Trust me I've got some far out views myself. I think you make yourself a target sometimes because you can come across self-righteous and hypocritical.
Also, I'm sure you have some white guilt built up inside. And that's natural too because all you read about growing up is how whitey raped and pillaged and owned slaves. The reality is, it's not necessarily white people that did it, it's the elite ruling class which includes various races. It's these people who were doing all of the atrocious shit you read about in history books. But everything you read in those books has an underlying societal agenda that the powers that be wish to engrain in your head. The whole point of public schools is indoctrination into the system. That's it. It's not to make you an independent and critical thinker. So on some subconscious level they make YOU feel like you need to atone for THEIR mistakes. It's the way our entire system is set up.
Your Africa thread is dope, and you are a good writer when describing it all.
Yeah... but remember though, this thread is from 2006 and I've experienced a lot since then and undergone major changes.
I was heavy into the teachings of Malcolm X and Jamil Al Amin back in 2006. They taught Pan-Americanism and Pan-Islamism. They believed that the white man had always sought to divide and conquer, and so to combat that they sought to raise the self-esteem of blacks and Muslims. So anytime they were critical of blacks and Muslims they attributed their negative behaviors as being products of white colonialism. So I had sort of developed this idea that America was evil, and that the Muslim nations were some kind of utopia, and that any negative behaviors that existed in the Muslim world were only the biproducts of colonialism.
This was of course compounded by my faith in orthodox Islam at the time. I was traveling around with a sort of Muslims version of missionary's, a group known as the Jammat-Tabligh in those days and speaking to many Muslims and non-Muslims calling them to Islam. So this was my life and way of thinking in 2006. I had became Muslims way back in 00', and each year I got heavier into it. Until finally in January 2007 I was living in the Emirates and I underwent a spiritual and psychological breakdown, and then had to re-evaluate my whole life when I came back to America.
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brian how does it feel to be a white man in america today?
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brian how does it feel to be a white man in america today?
doesn't matter how it feels anymore. I don't try to convince people of anything anymore. Convince people of who I am or what I am, I don't do that anymore. Unless it's because it was something I wanted to say anyway for my own enjoyment. Like when I talk shit to you, it's something I enjoy, not because I actually think I can actually convince you to start making more meaningful posts.
So it doesn't matter what it's like to be a white man in America today. Cause it doesn't' matter how fucked up America is or isn't, or how good or bad the white man has it these days. Life is simple for me now in that regard; I just hang out with people I enjoy who like me and accept me for however I am, and the rest doesn't matter.
It's called, "finding freedom in an unfree world".
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brian how does it feel to be a white man in america today?
doesn't matter how it feels anymore. I don't try to convince people of anything anymore. Convince people of who I am or what I am, I don't do that anymore. Unless it's because it was something I wanted to say anyway for my own enjoyment. Like when I talk shit to you, it's something I enjoy, not because I actually think I can actually convince you to start making more meaningful posts.
So it doesn't matter what it's like to be a white man in America today. Cause it doesn't' matter how fucked up America is or isn't, or how good or bad the white man has it these days. Life is simple for me now in that regard; I just hang out with people I enjoy who like me and accept me for however I am, and the rest doesn't matter.
It's called, "finding freedom in an unfree world".
let me summarize this longwinded post in one sentence.
infinite is white
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you will never be accepted by real muslims and you know it lyin brian
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you will never be accepted by real muslims and you know it lyin brian
I never had a problem being accepted by Muslims. One of the things that makes Muslims happiest is converts to the religion. So that was never a problem.
What I meant about acceptance was that I don't try to convince anybody to believe in anything these days. Instead of spending my time trying to convince people of anything, I just deal with people who I already have common interests with. So people like you I would avoid in my life, and the only reason I respond to you at the forum is just when you leave an opening for me to make a point I wanted to make anyway; or talk about something I enjoy talking about anyway... as is the case now.
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Wait, Brian called himself
Hajj Abdul Infinite Ibrahim Islam Abu Muhammad Uthman?
wow, this cracker never ceases to surprise me.
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well every Muslim convert get a new name after their conversion... you know that Ribery's muslim first name is Bilal right ?
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brians islam name translates into
"white suburbanite who travels on his parents dime and is ashamed to be caucasian"
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you will never be accepted by real muslims and you know it lyin brian
I never had a problem being accepted by Muslims. One of the things that makes Muslims happiest is converts to the religion. So that was never a problem.
Are you sure about that? Cause you use to overcompensate WAY too much back in the day.
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I recall you mentioning how you're not as deep into Islam as you once were. Why is that?
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I recall you mentioning how you're not as deep into Islam as you once were. Why is that?
In America, embracing Islam is an embrace of freedom. Because it is counter-culture in America. Your belief in God is strengthened by your worship, because nobody is forcing you to do it, and in fact people are actually working to keep you from it in America.
But when I tried to settle down and live in the Arabic Gulf at the end of 07', it was the opposite. It was expected of me to perform certain behaviors as a Muslim. I thought that the best Muslims had to be abroad, because truly devout Muslims would never want to leave in America. But what I found was that over there most Muslims wish to come to the US, and Islam is expected and sometimes forced in the culture there. So you have more blind followers who have never accepted the religion for themselves, and never had their beliefs challenged. I was praying and worshiping over there but it had lost all of it's meaning. Everything became robotic.
Also, like what Jome guessed, something bad happened to me in 04', and it had to do with my naivety in Islam. Islam was causing me to get in way over my head, and take on more than I was truly capable of. The first 3 years as a Muslim I was around some good people that protected me from the consequences of some of my naivety, but in 04' I got mixed up with some of the wrong people and had some bad consequences. But it only made me turn even deeper to my faith, and to get in even deeper over my head.
So finally it all crashed in January 06' when I was over in the Emirates. This is all a long story short, but then I came back to America and had to re-evaluate my life, and since then I would call myself an individualist and Libertarian first, and a Muslim somewhere behind that.
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Oh, come on. That was too long for you, so you didn't read it? Seriously Petey, I think Infinite just made an interesting point
Things become stale with no competition. The Gulf doesn't allow religious diversity so everyone claims to be Muslim while not really being that and Gulf Islam is basically a tool of power so it's corrupt.
But at the same time it seem you got way too into it, Infinite.
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Oh, come on. That was too long for you, so you didn't read it? Seriously Petey, I think Infinite just made an interesting point
Things become stale with no competition. The Gulf doesn't allow religious diversity so everyone claims to be Muslim while not really being that and Gulf Islam is basically a tool of power so it's corrupt.
But at the same time it seem you got way too into it, Infinite.
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i see white people
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I recall you mentioning how you're not as deep into Islam as you once were. Why is that?
In America, embracing Islam is an embrace of freedom. Because it is counter-culture in America. Your belief in God is strengthened by your worship, because nobody is forcing you to do it, and in fact people are actually working to keep you from it in America.
But when I tried to settle down and live in the Arabic Gulf at the end of 07', it was the opposite. It was expected of me to perform certain behaviors as a Muslim. I thought that the best Muslims had to be abroad, because truly devout Muslims would never want to leave in America. But what I found was that over there most Muslims wish to come to the US, and Islam is expected and sometimes forced in the culture there. So you have more blind followers who have never accepted the religion for themselves, and never had their beliefs challenged. I was praying and worshiping over there but it had lost all of it's meaning. Everything became robotic.
Also, like what Jome guessed, something bad happened to me in 04', and it had to do with my naivety in Islam. Islam was causing me to get in way over my head, and take on more than I was truly capable of. The first 3 years as a Muslim I was around some good people that protected me from the consequences of some of my naivety, but in 04' I got mixed up with some of the wrong people and had some bad consequences. But it only made me turn even deeper to my faith, and to get in even deeper over my head.
So finally it all crashed in January 06' when I was over in the Emirates. This is all a long story short, but then I came back to America and had to re-evaluate my life, and since then I would call myself an individualist and Libertarian first, and a Muslim somewhere behind that.
hahaha
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^^ looks like he's back on that Allah this Allah that talk, most likely due to some incident in his real life.
Either way as funny as it may be, try to say a bit more when bumping old ass threads. This section is not active, so reading old threads may seem like the most entertainment to get here, but there's always a way to start something new.