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Title: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Suga Foot on May 30, 2006, 10:10:49 AM
Do you ever take time out to reflect on your life? 
Are you thankful for everything you have? 
Who do you thank?
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on May 30, 2006, 10:20:23 AM
Alot of people in the West reject religion because all they've been exposed to is Christianity and primarily the New Testament.  The night was so cold and dark for them that every night they awaited "the RISING of the SUN".  So naturally for them, they concocted the story of God's Sun Rising aka Jesus being the Sun of God and the Ressurection.  Check these 4 verses...

Old Testament: 
"The heavens (the morning sky) are declaring the Glory of God."  Ps 19:1

New Testament:
"Jesus is the Glory of God." 2 Cor 4:6

Old Testament:
"The SUN of Righteousness will arise!"

New Testament:
"God's son... he has risen!"  Matt 4:16


^^^ All the above concepts are rejected in man's true religion Islam.  One cannot reject religion alltogether until they have studied Islam which is submission to the Highest Creator without any created intermediary.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: 7even on May 30, 2006, 10:23:56 AM
If the homie shares weed with me, then I thank the homie, not God or a higher power.
As for life in general, I'm not thankful to anyone but myself, family or friends. I or somebody related to me worked for everything that I have, one way or the other.
Why people feel the urge to thank a higher power for something they achieved on their own is beyond me. It's like "Yes, I'm so damn important, there's this whole fucking universe I know nothing about and the earth is only a small part of. Then there's that big earth humans are only a part of, and then there is my ass who's one of 6 billion people alive. Yet, God really helped me to do good in that test, cause that was such a big issue to him in the grand scheme of things."

What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on May 30, 2006, 10:25:13 AM
^^^ All the above concepts are rejected in man's true religion Islam.
Of all the ignorant things you've said this one might win the prize.

One cannot reject religion alltogether until they have studied Islam
Says who?
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: virtuoso on May 30, 2006, 10:42:15 AM

I believe that god has mapped out a path for me but I am not religious with respect you are getting god and religion mixed up. I do not follow a religious path but do believe in a god, and do pray sometimes.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on May 30, 2006, 10:51:24 AM
What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.

Interesting point, but empty. You don't pray demanding, you pray hoping. Like I always tell the homies when it comes to different situations: God bless your soul if you think you're in control.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Don Seer on May 30, 2006, 10:59:02 AM
Alot of people in the West reject religion because all they've been exposed to is Christianity and primarily the New Testament.  The night was so cold and dark for them that every night they awaited "the RISING of the SUN".  So naturally for them, they concocted the story of God's Sun Rising aka Jesus being the Sun of God and the Ressurection.  Check these 4 verses...

Old Testament: 
"The heavens (the morning sky) are declaring the Glory of God."  Ps 19:1

New Testament:
"Jesus is the Glory of God." 2 Cor 4:6

Old Testament:
"The SUN of Righteousness will arise!"

New Testament:
"God's son... he has risen!"  Matt 4:16


^^^ All the above concepts are rejected in man's true religion Islam.  One cannot reject religion alltogether until they have studied Islam which is submission to the Highest Creator without any created intermediary.


your post is 1) off topic and 2) promoting religious hatred.

if you dont see WHY seek counselling.


Strike 1.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: QuietTruth on May 30, 2006, 11:57:55 AM
Do you ever take time out to reflect on your life? 
Always.

Are you thankful for everything you have? 
Of Course.

Who do you thank?
Ones who deserve to be thanked...and yes including god.

What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.

But I don't get how you can control God. Doesn't he control you?
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: 7even on May 30, 2006, 12:25:28 PM

What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.

But I don't get how you can control God. Doesn't he control you?

If god responds to your prayer, you do control him. If god treats you differently when you're a good person, you do control him. By acting a certain way (not killing people, not stealing, praying, repentence, etc etc) you do control god, that is, if he rewards your "good" behavior with cool stuff to happen in your life.
To a certain extend, he does control you as well, yes. But as soon as he treats you differently because of your behavior, you can USE him by behaving in a certain way. It's like getting money from your grandma because you're always nice, although she's annoying, because you know she'll give you the damn money if you're nice, and you want the god damn money don't cha?
Also, how can it be taken as real "good" acting, if you're just doing it so god supports you and makes your life better?
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Trauma-san on May 30, 2006, 01:09:22 PM
Man, you really ought to go to school for a while longer before you bring that bullshit up.  All of your objections are little childish shit that most people get over in about an hour of reading the koran/bible/ whatever.  I can see your personality, you're the type that argues with people over pedantic shit that nobody can 'prove' or explain to you, because your mind misses even the little obvious shit.

Here's some help for you, just this once.

1. you can't talk somebody that believes in god, out of believing in god, because ultimately any kind of religion or 'faith' is about just that: faith.  No religion can be proven, and the existance of God can't be proven, because every religion relies on faith.  Faith is believing in something even though you cannot see it. 

So argue, bitch, whine, moan all you want, the fact stands that anything you object to regarding the existance of God can be explained away by faith. 

Your only argument is: I don't have faith. 

So instead of bitching or whining or fighting with people about it, just say you don't believe, you have no faith.

Overseer chimied in above on this post: he doesn't believe in God.  Nobody fights with him about it.  You know whY? ... because he realizes other people have faith in god, and doesn't care, and others realize he has no faith, and don't care about that either. 

There's no use arguing about it, the arguments on this board are so childish and petty becuase you can explain all of them away with the most rudimentary, fundamental truths of religion or faith or whatever.  Either somebody believes or they don't. 
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: WestCoasta on May 30, 2006, 01:17:58 PM
here's the way I look at life:


I'm not part of an organized religion, but I believe there is a "God", and of course I am not certain of this belief

I believe there is somethin that created this world but that's as far as I'll go, I won't even call it "God"

I live my life in a way by karma, what goes around comes around, that's pretty much my religion

I do reflect on my life, issues in my life, issues in my families lives, issues in the world

I believe organized religion is evil, it does nothing but divide and cause problems

if you look in the world today, the major problems that affect everybody has to do with war based on beliefs

all over the world people are killing other because of what they think is right

And then you see people, mostly religious rights groups, who try to tell others how much they suck, when they are the ones with problems

they try to determine what is gonna be on television, hell you even have some weirdos trying to pass bills to put decency laws on subsciption services

and are they religious rights activists?  yes, out to ruin it for EVERYBODY for what they think is right, what THEY think is right

so basically I'm a person who hates the majority of human beings, I think a good portion of people are cold hearted and don't have souls

I'd rather see a little puppy live then some dick human who's an asshole

I believe we all have a certain path in life no matter what we do, and everything happens for a reason


so basically if people wonder if non-religious people care about life, I bet they care MORE about life

I always think of my actions before I do somethin, I'm not a prick to people, I treat everyone with respect who shows me the smallest amount of kindness

you try to live your life and do moderately right things, we all make mistakes, but it's the kind of personality you got

so if you wanna label me with somethin, it's definitely the belief of karma which isn't a religion

I live my life that way and most dicks don't, but you don't try to see me tell 'em how to live, cuz you gotta learn that you can't tell people what to do


so fuck religion, that's how I look at existence





Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: 7even on May 30, 2006, 01:22:51 PM
How about adressing the points I made, instead of simply insulting me and telling me that I can't change what you believe in no matter what I do, Trauma? This thread was SPECIFICALLY directed towards people LIKE ME. And I gave an awesome contribution to the thread, ON TOPIC, and what you do is calling me dumb and telling me to shut the fuck up about issues like that one because they are somewhat "undebateable". Keep the good shit comin brotha.
I don't always argue to make people think the same way I think, sometimes one can just argue to discuss and share views, have fun together and learn to see things from another point of view.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: 'EclipZe on May 30, 2006, 01:25:29 PM

I believe that god has mapped out a path for me but I am not religious with respect you are getting god and religion mixed up. I do not follow a religious path but do believe in a god, and do pray sometimes.


I got the same, i used to be very religious when i was a kid tho, i even assisted in them survices for the church till my 13th, but after that I woke up and realised its bullshit.

I still believe in a god tho, everytime im pissed (believe me thats a lot) i ask to god WHY the fuck it happened to me, and I always pray for a good ending, mostly that shit doesnt help tho
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: WestCoasta on May 30, 2006, 01:26:17 PM
whichever loser is arguing with 7 Even, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM U FUCKER

this thread isn't for arguing
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: J Bananas on May 30, 2006, 01:52:12 PM
im not religious at all but im pretty spiritual, and maybe i should be giving it up for whoevers responsible for this earth coming together, but i dont have enough information so that would just be speculation and i dont wanna pretend to know how the earth was created. so when I'm reflecting on my life I usually try and appreciate my real friends and my family, and what theyve gone through in their life. it helps put things like my social life in a lighter, happier state so I'm more inclined to go out and be a friend to the people around me.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Trauma-san on May 30, 2006, 02:08:28 PM
If the homie shares weed with me, then I thank the homie, not God or a higher power.
As for life in general, I'm not thankful to anyone but myself, family or friends. I or somebody related to me worked for everything that I have, one way or the other.
Why people feel the urge to thank a higher power for something they achieved on their own is beyond me. It's like "Yes, I'm so damn important, there's this whole fucking universe I know nothing about and the earth is only a small part of. Then there's that big earth humans are only a part of, and then there is my ass who's one of 6 billion people alive. Yet, God really helped me to do good in that test, cause that was such a big issue to him in the grand scheme of things."

What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.

Alright, I'll address your arguments then, since you called me out on it.

You have no control over God.  God doesn't deal out punishment and rewards based on who prays to him.  You say you're not thankful to anyone other than those immediately around you... that's a childish, selfish mindset. 

"Why people feel the need to thank a higher power for something they achieved on their own"... is again a selfish, full of yourself concept.  You didn't achieve what you have.  For one, you have a lot of what you have simply by being born in a certain country.  If you were born in Indonesia, you might be dead in an earthquake right now.  You didn't choose where you were born.  You didn't choose your genetics.  You may have been born with sickle cell, or downs syndrome, etc., who would you thank then for that?  If you were born with Downs Syndrome, would you blame yourself? 

Anybody with half a brain can see there's bigger things than just yourself.  You're powerless.  You have absolutely zero effect on the universe as we know it.  We don't even know a fraction of the universe.  We're all miniscule little ants who walk around thanking ourselves and patting ourselves on the back because we fucked some other ant walking around, or because we have more pretty green paper in our wallet than some other ant walking around. 

If you'll just rise up about 100 feet over your head and look down at yourself and the others around you, you'll see how silly it is to think that there is no 'higher power'. 

Your exact argument that you gave for why people shouldn't thank a higher power is the exact reason people SHOULD believe and thank a higher power. 

Of course; lets take it back to where I was before all of this.  I said that either you believe or you don't believe.  I've pitched my idea at you; and still you don't believe.  I was right and you were wrong before I even started.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: 7even on May 30, 2006, 02:16:29 PM
Where was I wrong? We're both right. It depends on how you look at things. Also, some people do believe that God deals out punishment and rewards. What I said about the control stuff was obviously aimed at those people, and not at the entire world.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Don Seer on May 30, 2006, 02:29:12 PM
Do you ever take time out to reflect on your life? 
Yup.

I consider life a permanent learning experience, in maturing to be a better more rounded person, geared towards nesting, procreating and having fun.

I am also person who puts a lot of weight in my own conscience, and try to be moral, but not PC to the point of idiocy ;)


Are you thankful for everything you have? 
I thank no one, but i'm humble and appreciative of the good things and people in my life. So I thank the good people around me, and some of the bad for making me stronger.

I also believe in a personal version of "manifest destiny". I've become a much more proactive person when working towards my personal goals, because I believe good things don't come to those who wait idly, but to those who set the wheels in motion and are patient and don't expect instant results. What I mean is.. I'm 'doing' the parts of what I want from life that I can in a pragmatic manner and the things I can't 'control' i'm not worrying about..

Who do you thank?
My lucky stars.


btw to comment on other replies.  Anyone who thinks they 'control' god is an egomaniac.

Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Jip on May 30, 2006, 03:28:30 PM
Do you ever take time out to reflect on your life?

yeah, where i am going, why the fuck i want to go there

i try not to look back

 
Are you thankful for everything you have?

yes

Who do you thank?

myself, my parents, the people who have fought in wars for me to have my freedom

and dr. dre

i'd like to believe in something like god, but i just cant do it, devote my life to something ive never seen, something that has never helped me in anyway shape or form

when i got that 40p raise i got, i worked hard, god didnt give it to me, my manager did because i was outside in freezing cold conditions digging a 1m3 hole in the dirt for it to be filled in with concrete, and then come back to carry on working whilst i have the flu

no one is telling me that some higher power helped me do that, because they just didnt
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: QuietTruth on May 30, 2006, 05:59:47 PM
btw to comment on other replies.  Anyone who thinks they 'control' god is an egomaniac.

I don't believe someone can control god. I still think God controls you. :-\
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: coola on June 01, 2006, 01:26:25 AM
God doesnt control us, we have free will...

but i think infinite is being controlled by a religion.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: ecrazy on June 01, 2006, 02:45:19 AM
A lot of good replies to this thread, Me, personally, Im very Very open to a lot of religious points of views from friends and others, I was raised Catholic, Confirmed, but im very open to a lot of religious points of views when they make sense.

I thank God for what i have around me, I have faith that there is a God, I try to do good not just because any God says to, but because personally I believe its the right thing to do.

This whole thread reminded me of a good song by
Muse - Thoughts Of a Dying Atheist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM8No6kQ_14
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: QuietTruth on June 01, 2006, 01:27:53 PM
God doesnt control us, we have free will...

Forgot about that...I learned that in Bruce Almighty :-[.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: 7even on June 01, 2006, 01:36:40 PM
determination throughout genes & environment >>> free will
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: mauzip on June 02, 2006, 12:24:31 AM
Do you ever take time out to reflect on your life? 

About daily. I think I'm not doing a bad job at it.


Are you thankful for everything you have? 

Yes, see answer below.



Who do you thank?
Quote

I thank my parents for making love that one night in 1983.




I don't see what these questions have to do with religion :loco:  Believing is being sure you're in doubt.
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: Mo Z. Dizzle on June 02, 2006, 10:07:40 PM
question 1: im always reflecting on my life and everything around me; long story short, i feel like right now is probably the worst time of my life where i feel as if im losing everybody and everything...and as much as i try to stay positive and try to make things positive, it tends to fuck things over even more


question 2: whatever i have left, i'm somewhat thankful for; thankful for my family (especially my nephew and neice) because they are what keep me somewhat motivated

question 3: i thank God for my family...everything else ive been thankful for has disappeared; i feel as if the more i rapy the worse things become

ill leave it at that
Title: Re: Questions for those who aren't religious...
Post by: QuietTruth on June 03, 2006, 08:13:24 AM
question 1: im always reflecting on my life and everything around me; long story short, i feel like right now is probably the worst time of my life where i feel as if im losing everybody and everything...and as much as i try to stay positive and try to make things positive, it tends to fuck things over even more


question 2: whatever i have left, i'm somewhat thankful for; thankful for my family (especially my nephew and neice) because they are what keep me somewhat motivated

question 3: i thank God for my family...everything else ive been thankful for has disappeared; i feel as if the more i rapy the worse things become
ill leave it at that


Damn. That sounds familiar.