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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: 1on1 on June 29, 2006, 09:37:40 AM
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These got to be the world BIGGEST FRAUDULANT PEOPLE >:( http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
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LMAO@This dude posting up anti-semitic websites supporting Nazis...Son, you are brainwashed. :nawty: :sign_banhim:
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The fact is you are falling into the great divide and conquer trap while it is true and undeniably so that jewish groups run america, and that these groups are either corrupt or just downright sick and twisted, you can not label all jewish people with the same brush. Even in Israelit is a complete fallacy to suggest that all jews are rich, many jews are just like the typical working class people, they have nothing to do with these groups.
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how many days until bryan graces us with his presence ?
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LMAO@This dude posting up anti-semitic websites supporting Nazis...Son, you are brainwashed. :nawty: :sign_banhim:
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You're a fuckin idiot, but I'm sure you've been told this many times before.
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i'll take a number 5 please...no onions and can i get one of those free antenna balls , thanks
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Go fuck yourself, anti-Semitic piece of shit.
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The fact is you are falling into the great divide and conquer trap while it is true and undeniably so that jewish groups run america, and that these groups are either corrupt or just downright sick and twisted, you can not label all jewish people with the same brush. Even in Israelit is a complete fallacy to suggest that all jews are rich, many jews are just like the typical working class people, they have nothing to do with these groups.
U should recount the fact many extremely wealthy Jews from the U.S continuously donate money to the Israeli Government, and to election campaigns within Israel. So the common Israeli civilian either votes for someone who received money from those wealthy Jews from the U.S, thus condoning the act, or indirectly receives the money as part of governmental funding. So if every wealthy Jew is corrupt, and if receiving money from someone corrupt, or condoning such a deed, is also something that makes a person corrupt, then we can conclude each and every Israeli civilian is, in one way or another, pretaining to corruption. If u generalize at least do it right.
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i'll take a number 5 please...no onions and can i get one of those free antenna balls , thanks
lol +1
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Good point my response is 2 parts firstly I am not saying that every wealthy jewish person is corrupt but I am saying there are undeniably jewish groups in america which do basically run america. Heck its even been documented that Sharon has boasted of this also. As for you tyiing in the funding which goes to the israeli government and thus indirectly the voters are as much to blame there is a simple reply to that. I am sure much the same as in England much the same as in Israel and America most people are blissfully unaware, either through sheer ignorance i.e. not having a clue, or just not consciously aware of it. However whilst I do not hold a hatred to a group of people, its not hard to understand how this hatred has grown from the neocons, to the actions against the palestinian people. Deliberately targeting their water supplies which as you have yourself previously served in the army you will no doubt be aware that it violates basic international law.
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these groups are either corrupt or just downright sick and twisted, you can not label all jewish people with the same brush. Even in Israelit is a complete fallacy to suggest that all jews are rich, many jews are just like the typical working class people, they have nothing to do with these groups.
I am not saying that every wealthy jewish person is corrupt
Ah good, cause it seemed as though u were saying this.
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Interesting website.
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Interesting website.
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Fuckin moron, you have to be very clever ::)... Any thread who begins with "US people, Italian, Germans people are" (or whatever nationality or religion u want) isn't worth discussing imo. This is the pure definition of a narrow minded and dumbass person
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Truth.
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LMAO@Anti-semitic owned websites being "interesting"...Here, something more for your "interests": http://www.kkklan.com/
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NIK, why do u think you're so special? What is it about you that makes you think you can be so arrogant all the fucking time? You always scoff at things you disagree with as a way of retaliation. If anything, that just makes you look helpless and childish. If you think you're so smart, why don't u reply with some intelligent responses for once, especially since this post has to do with your own race
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by the way, i don't believe everything i read like the guy who started this thread, but i don't believe propaganda either, so i don't have a strong stance on the Holocaust stuff. I accept that it happened, but the numbers don't really concern me
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NIK, why do u think you're so special? What is it about you that makes you think you can be so arrogant all the fucking time? You always scoff at things you disagree with as a way of retaliation. If anything, that just makes you look helpless and childish. If you think you're so smart, why don't u reply with some intelligent responses for once, especially since this post has to do with your own race
LMFAO, what the fuck are you talking about...Mr. "They're not French". Shut the fuck up, you're an idiot...This guy is posting up anti-Semitic websites, how would you feel if someone posted websites about every negative Armenian stereotype that exclaimed the "Armenian Gennocide" never happened...Stop being a moron, this thread needs just as much explanation as a KKKlan.com...PeACe.
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I don't see the website as interesting becuase it's bashing Jews, sure it is pointing toward some type of Zionist related conspiracy, but it's interesting becuase it's looking at conspiracy theories, not becuase it's targeting Jews. It's interesting in the same way that UFO, the Yeti, ghost, etc, theories are. Not becus it targets Jews.
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I don't see the website as interesting becuase it's bashing Jews
I know a few Nazi websites u might also find as interesting, again not because of the Jew-bashing, but cause of the discussion of conspiracy theories ::)...stuff like "The Jews are trying to take over the world using financial ploys". Throughout history, many anti-Jewish ideas were presented in the form of conspiracy theories, to evoke curiousity and make people try and find the symptoms to the claimed conspiracies...Nowadays it's much more prominent. This is a nice P.R technique to encourage stereotypes. You should see the Nazi propaganda film from around the 40's "The Eternal Jew" to see how reality is intermixed with fiction to create a collective negative image of "The Jew".
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makes you look helpless and childish. If you think you're so smart, why don't u reply with some intelligent responses for once
Ironic?
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Sure, you cannot take that website literally and for people who are easily influenced such material is even dangerous. However, I find nothing wrong with simply looking at the site.
Getting pissed becus somebody finds it interesting is fairly over-sensitive.
Just like being over-sensitive is thinking any Arab that so much as farts in your direction must be met with an uzi to his kufi.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not getting pissed at you being interested in anti-semite material. U could join a neo-nazi group and I wouldn't give a shit. As for the IDF, there are Arabs who serve in the IDF, hence it doesn't classify Arabs per se as such who should be met with hostility, that is unless you believe every Arab is a terrorist. In addition, I don't see why an army should be held as a collective representation of a nation or race. It's like saying all people of African origin are such and such due to the multiple genocides by the hands of all kinds of militias in Africa. If this is your logic I can see how the actions of the IDF serve as a legitimization to anti-semitism in your view.
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The actions of the IDF only add fuel to global anti-Semitism.
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Notice how I singled out the 'actions' of the IDF, and I singled out the IDF as opposed to the whole of Israel or Israeli people, or Jews. I don't know the names of the specific tank commanders, but any military is a collective. How fucking specific do you want me to be? It is the military who are shelling civilian towns, etc. Think and read before you even start to allude to somebody being anti-semitic.
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:) If the actions of the IDF contribute to global anti-semitism, it means people link the IDF's actions to the Jewish people. If u identify with this notion you are also an anti-semite, especially if we add it to your interest in anti-semite material due to which this thread was started. I don't allude anything, I don't care whether u are an anti-semite...do whatever u want.
An army is not a collective representation (in the sense of image, model) of the people. It is a collective of people. Words are interpreted according to their context, remember?
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:) If the actions of the IDF contribute to global anti-semitism, it means people link the IDF's actions to the Jewish people. If u identify with this notion you are also an anti-semite,
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbour, American people naturally got pissed and locked up every Japanese living in the US. This happened becuase the actions of that nationality's state were identified with it's people. Same with Israel, when the IDF luanches a rocket at a Gaza beach and blows apart a Palestinian family having a picnic, some journalist films the aftermath and people in the West and in the Muslim World watching the news don't say...'Gee those individuals in the 14th Moses Tank Battalion are pretty bad people!' No, they will say: 'Fuck those Jugongs are an international pain in the ass!' You can scream 'Anti-Semitism! Anti-Semitism' as much as you want but its simply politics. On an international level, a state's actions reflect upon it's people. This is politics. So once again:
The IDF's actions are/have been fueling anti-semitism in the Middle East and probably in the rest of the world.
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On an international level, a state's actions reflect upon it's people.
First, all Im saying is that it's a generalization. Hence an inaccuracy and a fallacy. Fallacy is used in propaganda. I agree with you 100% that these are banal global politics, the banality of which promotes global anti-semitism as well as other stereotypical attitudes toward people. Second, in the case of Pearl Harbour those were the Americans who generalized all Japanese as a hazard, since they were attacked directly. Israel didn't attack any of the European states who criticize it...you gotta see the diff.
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'The IDF's actions are/have been fueling anti-semitism in the Middle East and in the rest of the world.'
Im saying whether anti-semitic or not, on an international level, a state's actions reflect upon its people. For instance, Italy winning the World Cup, this reflects positively on the Italian people. When the IDF shells a Gaza beach and wipes out a heard of Palestinians, this reflects negatively on the Israeli people. Same as when an Muslim Indonesian blows up an Australian nightclub, this reflects badly on the Indo Muslim population from an Aussie perspective.
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If the actions of the IDF contribute to global anti-semitism, it means people link the IDF's actions to the Jewish people. If u identify with this notion you are also an anti-semite,
No I don't subscribe to this notion, but I can understand how a Palestinian person whose family was shelled to bits by the IDF could.
The IDF is pushing these people to the extreme. Sure they are anti-semites, but in their position, can you blame them?
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No I don't subscribe to this notion, but I can understand how a Palestinian person whose family was shelled to bits by the IDF could.
Of course, just like you can understand an Israeli whose daughter was killed by a Kassam missile launched by Hamas activists, just like you can understand the Israeli whose son was blown up to bits, by a Palestinian terrorist bomber, while going by public transportation. It's expected of people who are overflooded with such emotions to loose the ability to think rationally. The debate is about those people around the world who haven't been touched personally by such events that, nevertheless, neglect logic and haste to generalize and stereotype people according to proportionately uncommon actions. Belonging to a nation does not entail sharing a single set of views and traits, despite what Hitler may have claimed. PS: Belonging to an army does not entail being fond of every single order received.
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No I don't subscribe to this notion, but I can understand how a Palestinian person whose family was shelled to bits by the IDF could.
Of course, just like you can understand an Israeli whose daughter was killed by a Kassam missile launched by Hamas activists, just like you can understand the Israeli whose son was blown up to bits, by a Palestinian terrorist bomber, while going by public transportation. It's expected of people who are overflooded with such emotions to loose the ability to think rationally. The debate is about those people around the world who haven't been touched personally by such events that, nevertheless, neglect logic and haste to generalize and stereotype people according to proportionately uncommon actions. Belonging to a nation does not entail sharing a single set of views and traits, despite what Hitler may have claimed. PS: Belonging to an army does not entail being fond of every single order received.
Exactly.
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No I don't subscribe to this notion, but I can understand how a Palestinian person whose family was shelled to bits by the IDF could.
Of course, just like you can understand an Israeli whose daughter was killed by a Kassam missile launched by Hamas activists, just like you can understand the Israeli whose son was blown up to bits, by a Palestinian terrorist bomber, while going by public transportation. It's expected of people who are overflooded with such emotions to loose the ability to think rationally. The debate is about those people around the world who haven't been touched personally by such events that, nevertheless, neglect logic and haste to generalize and stereotype people according to proportionately uncommon actions. Belonging to a nation does not entail sharing a single set of views and traits, despite what Hitler may have claimed. PS: Belonging to an army does not entail being fond of every single order received.
Exactly.
Yeah true too.
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, I don't see why an army should be held as a collective representation of a nation or race.
because, its the fuckin "jewish state " of israel
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There are many Arabs from all kinds of Arab States that do all kinds of things. So if a group of Arabs does something nasty it means they should be held as a collective representation of all Arab people? Maybe because they come from an "Arab State"?
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What is your sig supposed to mean?
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In my sig I'm laying the responsibility for the deaths of Palestinian civilians, on the Palestinian leadership.
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:eh: So.......the Israeli bullet in the back of the 12-year old Palestinian girl's head has nothing to do with the cause of her death?
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Question is whether you view the terms "cause of death" and "responsibility for death" as perpetual equivalents?
I agree that in a single legal system, under a single convention, resulting in a single sovereign assigned to maintain the safety of his subordinates (BTW this is the only political environment in which TRUE law can exist), both concepts should be, and are, equivalent.
However, when we are debating about clashes of two, or more, sovereign entities, these concepts deviate from each other in meaning.
In a war, what responsibility does one side hold toward the casualties of another?- None, the legal responsibility is laid upon the sovereign to which the casualty pertains.That is because the fundamental reason for the existence of a sovereign is his capacity to provide the safety and protection of his subordinates- by failing to do so he undermines the convention with his subordinates, hence the reason for his political power and existence.
There are no actual legal obligations between two sides at war- that's what war means by definition. Law exists only as part of a convention. War means absence of convention between the sides. Hence, "cause of death" and "responsibility for death" mean different things when we're not discussing a situation within the boundaries of a single set of laws under a single sovereign.
War means absence of convention between the sides, war means absence of agreement between the sides. Absence of agreement between the sides means absence of unitary law applicable to both sides, hence the absence of legal responsibility between the sides.
P.S This is why the concept of International Law is hollow of meaning, because this is the only law originating in a non-existent sovereign. A law does not exist without a sovereign. A sovereign is a product of convention as much as a convention is a product of a sovereign (Chicken and egg type of thing especially in democracies). An International Law can not exist without an international sovereign. That is unless you truly believe we're living in a global state or that the UN is a substantial international sovereign.
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GOY! lol.
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Question is whether you view the terms "cause of death" and "responsibility for death" as perpetual equivalents?
I agree that in a single legal system, under a single convention, resulting in a single sovereign assigned to maintain the safety of his subordinates (BTW this is the only political environment in which TRUE law can exist), both concepts should be, and are, equivalent.
However, when we are debating about clashes of two, or more, sovereign entities, these concepts deviate from each other in meaning.
In a war, what responsibility does one side hold toward the casualties of another?- None, the legal responsibility is laid upon the sovereign to which the casualty pertains.That is because the fundamental reason for the existence of a sovereign is his capacity to provide the safety and protection of his subordinates- by failing to do so he undermines the convention with his subordinates, hence the reason for his political power and existence.
There are no actual legal obligations between two sides at war- that's what war means by definition. Law exists only as part of a convention. War means absence of convention between the sides. Hence, "cause of death" and "responsibility for death" mean different things when we're not discussing a situation within the boundaries of a single set of laws under a single sovereign.
War means absence of convention between the sides, war means absence of agreement between the sides. Absence of agreement between the sides means absence of unitary law applicable to both sides, hence the absence of legal responsibility between the sides.
P.S This is why the concept of International Law is hollow of meaning, because this is the only law originating in a non-existent sovereign. A law does not exist without a sovereign. A sovereign is a product of convention as much as a convention is a product of a sovereign (Chicken and egg type of thing especially in democracies). An International Law can not exist without an international sovereign. That is unless you truly believe we're living in a global state or that the UN is a substantial international sovereign.
Realist thought^^^
This type of doctrine hasn't helped bring peace to the confllict tho,
maybe it's time for an idealist party to take control, like the UN.
Cus shits just getting ridiculous over there......
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This isn't a doctrine. This is an analysis of the political status quo in the world. As you can see, I didn't really address specifics or express my opinion. This is a general description of the fundamental nature of the sovereign-subordinate relationship, in it's philosophical abstract sense. Largely taken out of Thomas Hobbes' book Leviathan.
First, If you want to know my view: I personally would love to live in a single global state, where we could all live under a single set of laws. Unfortunately, this is not the case. We still live in a fragmented world. Borders and states didn't go anywhere man, they're still here dictating the status quo. Second of all, I don't view the UN as an idealist party.
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did your parents neglect you as a child that you have to seek attention on message boards with threads like this?
peace
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i love how simple issues get 4 paragraph responses from i geezy
an israeli can never argue the point issue for issue. they have to jump through loopholes, and secondary arguments, until theyve twisted and tweeked the subject to where it comes back (soemhow) to palestinians
therefore, things like occupied land, human rights violation, torture etc become the fault of palestinians
lol
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therefore, things like occupied land, human rights violation, torture etc become the fault of palestinians
Sorta' like how terrorist bombings, kidnappings, rocks poking out eyes, etc. becomes the fault of Israelis... :D
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When something is irrefutable logically, people resort to pointless bitching. Ain't that right Tech?
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therefore, things like occupied land, human rights violation, torture etc become the fault of palestinians
Sorta' like how terrorist bombings, kidnappings, rocks poking out eyes, etc. becomes the fault of Israelis... :D
first of all, lol @ you and this garbage...rock pokin out eyes ahahaha
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When something is irrefutable logically, people resort to pointless bitching. Ain't that right Tech?
second of all, its already been proven countless times on this board that you are allergic to logic. dare i say, you have a phobia of logic, nothing else explains your inability to grasp it
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:) That's ok if this is your most substantial argument. It's not as if I had any expectations.
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:) That's ok if this is your most substantial argument. It's not as if I had any expectations.
oh please dont flatter your self. i dont want to dance wit you, and its not because ure not pretty but because u have web feet and cant dance worth a lick. so i dont want to waste my time.
go back to standing against the wall
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therefore, things like occupied land, human rights violation, torture etc become the fault of palestinians
Sorta' like how terrorist bombings, kidnappings, rocks poking out eyes, etc. becomes the fault of Israelis... :D
first of all, lol @ you and this garbage...rock pokin out eyes ahahaha
That was a joke...LOL.
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It's ok Tech, no need to catch feelings.
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LOL
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It's ok Tech, no need to catch feelings.
yeah there is a need to catch feelings, when thousands of palestinians are starvin today and youre coming on this board with the nerve, tryin to spew some hot garbage to justify what you Nazis are doing.
I hope they cut lil Gilad into a 100 pieces....alhamdililah, they caught two more pigs...hezbollah bangin too
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I promiss you even more people will starve and die thanks to your beloved buddies Hezbollah. People Tech, people....not Palestinians, not Jews, not Muslims not Christians- just people...and it's a pity you don't see it. People live in states for protection, you don't just go and shit over that. If you do, you pay.
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I promiss you even more people will starve and die thanks to your beloved buddies Hezbollah. People Tech, people....not Palestinians, not Jews, not Muslims not Christians- just people...and it's a pity you don't see it. People live in states for protection, you don't just go and shit over that. If you do, you pay.
oh yes i forgot, the hegelian dialectic has been so engrained in you. i dont blame u, uve been raised brainwashed.
althought the media would love to have u believe this is basically two camps fighting each other on a somewhat proportional basis, it is not.
the "terrorists" control nothing. they have resorted to capturing a soldier here and there and sending in suicide volunteers. this is not fighting, this is animal desperation u fuckin cunt,
400 nuclear weapons, top 3 army in the world, one of the strongest economies in the world, an "Ignore The Un" pass, and ure riding with the greatest military power in the history of the world and yet, u dumb cunt, u expect me to be a dumb cunt like you and conceive these terrorists as being any sort of threat.
the peace process from the very beginning is entirely in israels hands. anything else suggested is an illusion.
theyre are countless academics and articles that will support this premise, although im sure to you they are anti semetic propoganda. self hating jews even looool.
let me break it down for u in first person
Hi my name is Israel. An ugly fuckin thing I am, arent I? But I am wearing expensive clothes and armed to the teeth. I am currently building a wall around the west bank on palestinian land to stop desperate palestinians from trying in vain to persuade me to leave them and their land alone. I continue to build settlements on palestinian land. i left the gaza cuz it was takin up too much of my time. but gosh darn it those lil mosquitos keep harassin me. why wont they just accept fate and this wiener schnitzel in their ass, damn those muslims. i bulldoze homes. I destroy farmland. I have ethnically cleansed villages. i have renamed entire districts. i have displaced people. i shoot random civilians. i dont respect intl law. i have occupied land for 60 yrs but those desperate animals have to stop barking first before i give them some crumbs. this is called being a road map to peace. eventually when i have beating these animals into subservience , of course by then they will be too weak to put up a fight, at which point i will leave them crumbs. and i will retain the right to control every facet of their lives.
man, why wont these animals stop barking :-\
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the "terrorists" control nothing.
If the above quoted is true, I 100% agree with everything you said (yes, including the defamation :) ).
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the "terrorists" control nothing.
If the above quoted is true, I 100% agree with everything you said (yes, including the defamation :) ).
wow your ridiculous. i honestly cant believe my eyes, do you have a heart? its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
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its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
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wow, you're ridiculous.
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its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
Your own statement can serve as an indication to you of the degree of rationality you apply, in analysing this conflict.
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its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
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wow, your'e ridiculous.
nope, im bein real, i dont wish any harm towards any jew, but if you want Muslims to parish, you are ridiculous. only a product of the devil himself can cause so much harm to a peaceful religion. Muslims only strike back, when they've been attacked first.
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its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
Your own statement can serve as an indication to you of the degree of rationality you apply, in analysing this conflict.
the same can be said for you, look at all the garbage propoganda u spit out. any normal person can see that you are brainwashed, but you will never see it that way. its truly very sad.
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And now you get banned because you're a brain-washed racist. :-*
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its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
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wow, your'e ridiculous.
LOL... you're
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its like satan has been incarnated into every jew on this planet.
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wow, your'e ridiculous.
LOL... you're
What you talking 'bout, G? :D