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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: coola on July 31, 2006, 07:52:49 AM
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how does the whole ceremony take place ? is it similar to a catholic or christian wedding ? how much significance and weight does marriage hold in islam ? can an imam be married ?
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how does the whole ceremony take place ? is it similar to a catholic or christian wedding ? how much significance and weight does marriage hold in islam ? can an imam be married ?
the ceremony?
The ceremony is made easy by Allah, the only bear essentials are consent of the woman and man, and two Muslim witnesses. In some Muslim regions, marriages are like their rock concerts or something, they are HUGE events the whole town participates in and the couple are treated like celebrities for a time, people will go all out and spend a great deal of money and do alot of extra stuff; that's all okay I guess, but all that is not necassary for a wedding, you don't even need an Imam to have a legal Islamic wedding.
Similar to a Catholic or Christian wedding?
Not really. There's no alcohol, alcohol is forbidden in Islam, there is no "Here Comes the Bride", style of music, there is none of this kind of tradition where the bride goes around and dances with all the men, there is also ofcourse, no bachelor party... one of the similarities is the "I do" part, because consent is given, although the same language isn't used, and sometimes the women will have a male representive that she instructs and he answers on her behalf whatever she tells him to say.
how much significance or wieght does marriage hold in Islam?
In Islam, Allah has made marriage easy for us. It is not simply for the purpose of procreation, but it is actually determined by Allah in the Qu'ran to be one of the greatest enjoyments in this life, although Allah acknowledges that patience is also a necassary part of the equation. Allah says that husband and wife are garments of eachother; also sex in Islam is not just for the purpose of procreation, but it is a necassary component for bringing husband, wife, family closer together and a posotive means of gaining pleasure. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) even described marriage half of our faith, and the Prophet mentioned that the Muslim rewarded just simply for having sex with his wife. His companions asked, "Why would we be rewarded by Allah for doing something that we enjoy anyway, the Prophet Muhammad replied, "Would Allah not punish you if you were doing haraam (adultry and fornication?), well likewise Allah rewards the individual who engages in what is permissible!"
Can an Imam get married?
Muslim Imams are not like Catholic priests, who take an oath to remain celebate (which is unnatural, goes against the biological nature of man, and has led to the epedimic in some cases of Catholic priests molesting altar boys and all that). In Islam, everything in creation is subordinate to the Creator, so the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was just a man, he got married just like we get married, an Imam is no intercessor to God or anything like that, he's just someone who is extended some leadership in the community, but he gets married just like the rest of members of the community.
....also, it's relatively short procedure. You put the word out in the community your looking to get married, your introduced to some women, if one of them likes you and you like her then you may get married that same day, or a few months later if you want more time to get to know eachother. Muslims don't spend their whole life's chasing around women like the rest of American society often does.
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Muslims don't spend their whole life's chasing around women like the rest of American society often does.
Then how do Muslim people get more sex than Americans? If thats the case. You proclaimed in one of the other threads that Muslim get more sex than many others.
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Muslims don't spend their whole life's chasing around women like the rest of American society often does.
Then how do Muslim people get more sex than Americans? If thats the case. You proclaimed in one of the other threads that Muslim get more sex than many others.
This is mostly practiced in Muslim countries. Muslims are permitted in the Qu'ran to have up to 4 wives, although you are required to treat them equally, and provide for them with justice. Some women don't mind this, but if the woman does disagree, she has legal grounds to divorce her husband, so generally the husband is acting on permission from his wife.
...this is also biological, natural, because hypothetically, if you put 1 man on an island with 99 women, every year you'll have 99 new babies and know who the father is, but if you put a woman on an island with 99 men, you'll have just 1 baybe each year and won't know who the father is.
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hey but if they dont need an imam in the wedding, who does the ceremony then? the couple does it themselves?
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Muslims don't spend their whole life's chasing around women like the rest of American society often does.
Then how do Muslim people get more sex than Americans? If thats the case. You proclaimed in one of the other threads that Muslim get more sex than many others.
This is mostly practiced in Muslim countries. Muslims are permitted in the Qu'ran to have up to 4 wives, although you are required to treat them equally, and provide for them with justice. Some women don't mind this, but if the woman does disagree, she has legal grounds to divorce her husband, so generally the husband is acting on permission from his wife.
...this is also biological, natural, because hypothetically, if you put 1 man on an island with 99 women, every year you'll have 99 new babies and know who the father is, but if you put a woman on an island with 99 men, you'll have just 1 baybe each year and won't know who the father is.
Oh i see. But if someone does proceed to go on and have 4 wives. Do they all live in the same house? Holy the father must have to bust his ass off to ffeed the family. Unless, ofcourse the family owns oil rigs
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...this is also biological, natural
thats not even a proper sentence!?
the rest is just plain common sense..
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Muslim Imams are not like Catholic priests, who take an oath to remain celebate (which is unnatural, goes against the biological nature of man, and has led to the epedimic in some cases of Catholic priests molesting altar boys and all that).
wow, I actually agree with the psycho for once...
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yeah, you really don't wanna waste too much time with wedding in islam, you might just end up chopping her head off three weeks later if she steps out of line like say, expose her hair in public.
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Oh i see. But if someone does proceed to go on and have 4 wives. Do they all live in the same house? Holy the father must have to bust his ass off to ffeed the family. Unless, ofcourse the family owns oil rigs
They have to have seperate living quarters.
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...this is also biological, natural
thats not even a proper sentence!?
the rest is just plain common sense..
I know you hold Muslims in the highest regard, and that's why you expect nothing less than the best from me, that's why out of all the people on this forum, you spend so much time going around and proofreading all my work, and pointing out any comma's that are out of place or mispelled words; thank you for the attention, but I'm unqualified and undeserving of your devotion.
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hey but if they dont need an imam in the wedding, who does the ceremony then? the couple does it themselves?
from what i know atleast in my sect, the bride and groom need somebody they have given permission to, to recite the ceremony.
it's done in arabic so the pronounciation of the text is extremely important.
usually the Imam would dosuch a thing, but if not anybody who can recite arabic well can do the recitation.
the groom can recite his own if he chooses to, but once agian he ahs to be very careful.
im not sure if the bride can recite her own part though.
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cool, thanks for the info...
ps. i highly doubt being selebent leads to molestation of boys...
i actually think that the concept of selebecy is quite extraordinary... sex is the greatest pleasure anyone can have, giving that up for your faith is quite remarkable i believe..
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Muslim Imams are not like Catholic priests, who take an oath to remain celebate (which is unnatural, goes against the biological nature of man, and has led to the epedimic in some cases of Catholic priests molesting altar boys and all that).
wow, I actually agree with the psycho for once...
I never saw the reason for Catholic priests to take that oath (Orthodox Christianity allows priests to get married), but I've read studies on the pedophelia and most studies state that the ratio of pedophile priests to normal priests is no different than pedophiles to normal people as a whole. The oath doesn't make them sick, the sickness does. Most priests just secretly have sex with nuns.
Infinite, your constant belittling and critical view of anything that goes against your religion and blatant bias towards the rules in Islam makes you appear childish and unwise. You don't have to take such a condescending approach with people. Show some respect towards others and their religion and maybe you'll get more respect and people will pay more attention to what you say. If I were Muslim (which I consider myself to be based on its definition) I would advise the same thing.
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Muslim Imams are not like Catholic priests, who take an oath to remain celebate (which is unnatural, goes against the biological nature of man, and has led to the epedimic in some cases of Catholic priests molesting altar boys and all that).
wow, I actually agree with the psycho for once...
Most priests just secretly have sex with nuns.
you been watching too much german porno...
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Muslim Imams are not like Catholic priests, who take an oath to remain celebate (which is unnatural, goes against the biological nature of man, and has led to the epedimic in some cases of Catholic priests molesting altar boys and all that).
wow, I actually agree with the psycho for once...
Most priests just secretly have sex with nuns.
you been watching too much german porno...
Is that what German porn films consist of?
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Muslims don't spend their whole life's chasing around women like the rest of American society often does.
Why are you comparing a religon to a country? You're comparing 2 completely different things. Plus your statement contradicts itself when you have Muslims married in America (like yourself).
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Muslim Imams are not like Catholic priests, who take an oath to remain celebate (which is unnatural, goes against the biological nature of man, and has led to the epedimic in some cases of Catholic priests molesting altar boys and all that).
wow, I actually agree with the psycho for once...
Most priests just secretly have sex with nuns.
you been watching too much german porno...
Is that what German porn films consist of?
judging from mauzips posts... yes..
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Muslims don't spend their whole life's chasing around women like the rest of American society often does.
Why are you comparing a religon to a country? You're comparing 2 completely different things.
because he's obsessed with Dirty America... yet he's a huge hypocrit because he lives here
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because he's obsessed with Dirty America... yet he's a huge hypocrit because he lives here
America is the country that raised me, didn't teach me anything, left me in the dark about who I was, where I was from, and where I was going. I had fun in America as kid and teenager, but it was a flash in the pan, eventually one has to make a desicion to either face reality, or live in denial. I decided to face the reality of my situation, the sheer force of reality was so overwhelming that I was brought to my knee's... and then Allah raised me from the mentally dead, I got back up on my feet, and Islam has raised me from that point forth and taught me everything.
As far as leaving this country that nearly destroyed me and moving to a Muslim country... You can't just pick up and move to a whole nother country, it's not that easy (believe me I've already tried it, after Hajj in Mekkah, I checked out two Muslim countries, U.A.E. and Oman, I didn't get very far). This time I'm preparing, but I'll be out of here soon enough, studying Arabic over sea's.
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bryan referring to your sick muslim fantasy as reality isn't going to help you move out of America. i think your just a lazy bitch who happens to be a s/m freak and likes getting picked on every day by your family and peers
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because he's obsessed with Dirty America... yet he's a huge hypocrit because he lives here
America is the country that raised me, didn't teach me anything, left me in the dark about who I was, where I was from, and where I was going. I had fun in America as kid and teenager, but it was a flash in the pan, eventually one has to make a desicion to either face reality, or live in denial. I decided to face the reality of my situation, the sheer force of reality was so overwhelming that I was brought to my knee's... and then Allah raised me from the mentally dead, I got back up on my feet, and Islam has raised me from that point forth and taught me everything.
As far as leaving this country that nearly destroyed me and moving to a Muslim country... You can't just pick up and move to a whole nother country, it's not that easy (believe me I've already tried it, after Hajj in Mekkah, I checked out two Muslim countries, U.A.E. and Oman, I didn't get very far). This time I'm preparing, but I'll be out of here soon enough, studying Arabic over sea's.
LOL at you blaming America for all the problems you had in life. Bad shit just can't happen to you? The reason why it's so hard to leave America... Because it is a better country then you think. You even said you checked out 2 Muslim countries and didn't get to far.
BTW Infinite, you didn't answer my original question.
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Infinite, you gone get some more wives? 8)
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^ lol, man i wouldnt mind a few wives myself... but my girl would beat the shit out of all em... no fun :(
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^ lol, man i wouldnt mind a few wives myself... but my girl would beat the shit out of all em... no fun :(
I have a question...Does Islam forbid orgies? Like if you wanted to fuck all your wives at the same time...And they were all down. Would Islam stop that from going through?
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^ good question.. i always wondered this, never got around to asking it...
you'd think you could fuck em all, but islam is against gays, so you prolly couldnt get your wives to make out :-\
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^ good question.. i always wondered this, never got around to asking it...
you'd think you could fuck em all, but islam is against gays, so you prolly couldnt get your wives to make out :-\
Islam is against gays, but a bitch doesn't have to be gay to be involved in an orgy/threesome...What if it's done with the purpose of pleasing her husband? Shit, Muslim prophets probably invented orgies, seeing all their wives and thinking of ways to put 'em all to use...LOL.
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Muslim prophets probably invented orgies
LOL @ Muslim prophets... you mean like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Isaac, Abraham, David, Moses, etc?
Mohammed is the only one considered to be a prophet in Islam and not in Judaism or Christianity... so who are the Muslim prophets you're referring to?
By the way, it's said that Solomon had like 700 wives and 300 concubines...
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Muslim prophets probably invented orgies
LOL @ Muslim prophets... you mean like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Isaac, Abraham, David, Moses, etc?
Mohammed is the only one considered to be a prophet in Islam and not in Judaism or Christianity... so who are the Muslim prophets you're referring to?
By the way, it's said that Solomon had like 700 wives and 300 concubines...
It was a joke in the first place, but yea, I meant Muslim kings (smoke a lotta tree)...PeACe
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Muslim prophets probably invented orgies
LOL @ Muslim prophets... you mean like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Isaac, Abraham, David, Moses, etc?
Mohammed is the only one considered to be a prophet in Islam and not in Judaism or Christianity... so who are the Muslim prophets you're referring to?
By the way, it's said that Solomon had like 700 wives and 300 concubines...
so are orgies coshure ?
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LOL...I was blazed as hell when I posted those last few comments...PeACe
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well i still wouldnt mind knowing if an orgy is acceptable in islam >:( people be talkin about war, and ignoring the real discussions.