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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on August 19, 2006, 11:09:48 AM
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Probably yet another false flag operation.
The "thwarted" London attacks conveniently occured last week as Bush was having his illegal wiretapping case reviewed by a judge. She ruled against him. So then all the right wing pundits in the media went out and said, "If Britian had the same restrictions on the president as we do, then they wouldn't have been able to thwart those attacks." This argument is crucial for the neo-cons because Bush may face impeachment charges if the Democrats can gain control over the House this year.
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no. its always a good time to foil terrorist plots
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I actually think it was a conspiracy. I believe it was nothing more than propaganda to indirectly promote "Snakes on a Plane". Well that shit worked cause I'm going to go see it. WE GOT MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u know they found bomb materials, fire arms and martyr tapes.....
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and lots and lots of snakes. jromes on to something
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u know they found bomb materials, fire arms and martyr tapes.....
^^ planted evidence
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u know they found bomb materials, fire arms and martyr tapes.....
^^ planted evidence
You and Virtuoso are pathetic.
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u know they found bomb materials, fire arms and martyr tapes.....
^^ planted evidence
why of course. there's no such thing as islamic terrorism
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Does operation Northwoods mean anything to you? or are you just going to going to pretend that doesnt exist. look at what the wonderful government is planning to do now. worship their latest move you coward
Every airport traveller 'will be fingerprinted'
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Airport biometric procedures to be extended after alleged terror plot
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Six out of ten believe government is not exaggerating terrorism threat
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Reid reaction to terror has seen his public profile soar as Blair's successor
GERRI PEEV / Scotsman | August 18 2006
"As we face the threat of mass murder we have to accept that the rights of the individual that we enjoy must, and will be, balanced with the collective right of security and the protection of life and limb that our citizens demand."
- JOHN REID,
HOME SECRETARY
BIOMETRIC testing is set to be introduced at European airports under plans for stringent new security measures revealed yesterday in the wake of last week's alleged terror plot.
Passengers would have their fingerprint or iris scanned under the measures proposed by EU interior ministers, which would also use passenger profiling to try to identify potential terrorists.
The move to beef up relaxed security procedures in Europe came as John Reid, the Home Secretary, warned that human rights would have to be balanced against the threat from terrorism and that the current terror threat was Europe-wide and needed to be tackled on an international level.
The EU minister in charge of justice, Franco Frattini, said ministers were looking at the "positive profiling" of passengers, carried out well in advance of their flights, based on "biometric identifiers" such as iris scans or fingerprints.
However, both he and Mr Reid stressed that there were no plans for profiling based on passengers' ethnic origins. Rather, the profiling would be drawn from biometric information.
This would actually speed up airport security procedures, he argued.
But the scheme could also pave the way for an EU-wide database, provoking outrage from privacy rights campaigners last night.
The plan to extend biometric procedures - already enforced in the United States, Canada and Australia - to European airports was revealed after an informal meeting of EU interior ministers in London yesterday.
Other measures agreed include a commitment to stamping out radicalism by stricter policing of the internet, replacing extremism with a "European" model of Islam, a 250 million research project into liquid explosives and a meeting of security services across Europe this month.
The details emerged after ministers from the current Finnish EU presidency, as well as future EU presidencies Germany, France, Portugal and Slovenia, were briefed along with Mr Reid and Mr Frattini yesterday by Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, the MI5 director general, and Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman, the head of special operations at Scotland Yard.
Responding to the plans, Phil Booth, the national co-ordinator of NO2ID, a UK campaign group which lobbies against a centralised biometrics database, said the biometric scheme could not work unless Europe had the fingerprint of every international terrorist on record.
"If [interior ministers] do not have that, then what they are proposing is the construction of the largest haystack of all time to find a few needles," he said.
"This magical thinking about biometrics identifying terrorists is plainly crazy. What is more worrying is that John Reid is grandstanding and using an alleged incident to conflate our security and our freedom."
Mr Booth added that biometrics could also be used for de facto racial profiling of passengers: "Because it is a measure of the body, biometrics will often identify people's ethnic origin."
Other proposals revealed by Mr Frattini included the training of imams at EU level after concerns that extremists were taking over mosques, while radicalisation across schools and prisons would also come under closer scrutiny.
"We do want a European Islam and that is very important not only to show to the Muslim communities that we fully respect other religions ... but we also want [them to] respect national laws, European laws and fundamental rights - first of all the right to life," he said.
The bloc will look into a suggestion by Nicolas Sarkozy, the French interior minister, to set up counter-terrorism expert teams at EU level ready to help countries if needed, he said.
Meanwhile, a separate 250 million fund was announced to help to research and detect liquid explosives.
Mr Frattini said that he would make proposals in coming days on the detection of explosives.
Yesterday, Mr Reid said Europe would not allow terrorists to undermine the "common European values that bind our societies together".
The proponents of terror "would abuse our open societies, would misuse our freedoms and adapt the latest technology to their evil intent and have no regard for human life or for human rights".
"As we face the threat of mass murder, we have to accept that the rights of the individual that we enjoy must, and will be, balanced with the collective right of security and the protection of life and limb that our citizens demand," he added.
Meanwhile, a YouGov poll out today reveals that more than half of people in the UK questioned wanted a "more aggressive" foreign policy. And 55 per cent supported passenger profiling at airports.
Things are going to turn violent....
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Furthermore even if it wasnt a false flag operation. this is still tyranny you can dress this up anyway you like but we are heading down a very dark path now, and its a contradictory bullshit statement to say the terrorists are "trying to take away our freedoms" when these measures will take care of that!!!!!
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why of course. there's no such thing as islamic terrorism
Bush wants there to be Islamic terrorism more than anything, that's why he always brings up 9-11 in every one of his speaches whenever he's responding to any tough questions, FoxNews has also worked dilligently to biuldup the boogie man of Islamic terrorism.
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why of course. there's no such thing as islamic terrorism
Bush wants there to be Islamic terrorism more than anything, that's why he always brings up 9-11 in every one of his speaches whenever he's responding to any tough questions, FoxNews has also worked dilligently to biuldup the boogie man of Islamic terrorism.
jesus loves you bryan
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infinite you sound a little miffed that this latest attack was foiled.....
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infinite you sound a little miffed that this latest attack was foiled.....
He is a little miffed. But Don Rizzle, that is the attitude of the radical Muslims you are always defending.
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infinite you sound a little miffed that this latest attack was foiled.....
There was no attack, it was probably a false flag operation to divert attention away from the judge's ruling against Bush's illegal wire tapping. Read my post above, and look up false flage operations cause obviously you couldn't follow the vocabulary because we are talking about two different subjects.
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what the fuck has a british opperation have to do with diverting attention from bush, ur an idiot. Anyway these 'alleged terrorists' have now been locked up, no one was hurt and the public is alot safer.
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infinite you sound a little miffed that this latest attack was foiled.....
There was no attack, it was probably a false flag operation to divert attention away from the judge's ruling against Bush's illegal wire tapping. Read my post above, and look up false flage operations cause obviously you couldn't follow the vocabulary because we are talking about two different subjects.
bryan you are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown
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This is the fundamental problem. j bananas, i mentioned just briefly about the Stasi and you hadnt a clue who or what the stasi were. Similarly you have little or no knowledge of documented events like operation gladio. operation northwoods, hell even tapes have now surfaced proving that Roosevelt knew well in advance about pearl harbour but he allowed it to happen anyway. This is the point history is littered with either planned government false flag attacks or attacks that took place. The latter includes operation gladio. Now with that in mind why are you so quick to dismiss the notion that the government has a hand here? This is a serious question and one you should be addressing in your own mind if not on here.
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^and why do you take to heart alternative news that seems so subversive? it seems like a fundamental issue for you as well, you pretend to have answers because you are willing to believe anything that seems unpopular or disproving of mainstream news and history. why not take your information sources witha grain of salt as well?
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You didnt answer my question, when the government has commited acts of great evil before why the hell would you suddenly dismiss this notion? When you have well respected former officials, former intelligence agents saying the government is complicit in this isnt it about time you took notice? they have nothing to gain from this, very often they are whistleblowers which basically ruins their careers. In other words these are not crazy crackpots who dont know what they are talking about. they are trying to make people realise this is anything but black and white.
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OK, yes. I have considered and I do consider the amount of truth that gets filtered in every situation of importance from the government, to the media, to the people. It's just that this time, I really don't see what any government stands to gain by a "false flag operation", which you and bryan like to include in your vocabulary so often. Straying attention from his failed wiretap initiative doesn't seem like a high priority on Bush's agenda, despite how crackheaded he appears. I want to know why Bush or any government would feel the need to stage this incident when the political climate of US/UK isnt drastically unstable right now. Why wouldn't they wait for some other time?
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And I wont try to discredit or dismiss nearly any news source because I don't believe that there are truly evil corporations out there. It feels right for me to not trust anyone whole heartedly, wether it be Bill OReilly or Alex Jones, anyone who pretends to have answers to things is a crackpot
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Well there are 2 issues present here firstly this reinforces fear in the average person, also just look at what is going to enable them to do, bring in sweeping draconian powers which will force all europeans to be fingerprinted and eye scanned, it says that under security we can trample all over your rights. Furthermore the congressional elections are to be held in November the fear builds up and it looks like right on cue there is going to be another attack. What do they have to gain? fear, political capital, a wider mandate for military action to include both syria and Iran, a reason for "modifying human rights" and in america a reason for spitting on the constitution once again. In addition people like rumsfeld and cheney are inextricably linked and benefit from mass scares and wars. Cheney of course. through Haliburton.
As for truly evil corporations, I consider the manipulation of countries into war to be evil, (oil companies and arms companies like haliburton) maybe you dont and just consider that politics. However I am going to be honest enough to say that I do respect the fact that you will respond and not just ignore the postings.
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This is the problem though J Bananas those lying bastards have put thousands of americans and british sodliers to death in Iraq. Now, when they are capable of creating a lie on such a grand and destructive scale, whose impact is just unimaginable don't you see that it will make people ask how the hell can you trust anything they are saying.
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^and why do you take to heart alternative news that seems so subversive? it seems like a fundamental issue for you as well, you pretend to have answers because you are willing to believe anything that seems unpopular or disproving of mainstream news and history
Only an ape would find it to hard to imagine the possibility that it didn't go down exactly like the news station said it did.
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^and why do you take to heart alternative news that seems so subversive? it seems like a fundamental issue for you as well, you pretend to have answers because you are willing to believe anything that seems unpopular or disproving of mainstream news and history
Only an ape would find it to hard to imagine the possibility that it didn't go down exactly like the news station said it did.
imagine lol, so u basis for this being a 'false flag' is made entirely out of fiction!!
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imagine lol, so u basis for this being a 'false flag' is made entirely out of fiction!!
I was merely suggesting that the timing of all this was very suspicious, and that it's a possibility. Allah knows best what really took place.
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While it is entirely possible that there is a conspircy, I just can't simply beilive it at this point. For one thing you didn't present any proof. At this point it is just speculation. If we go by that logic anything that happens around the same time can be said to be related. It's cool for you to have your suspicions Bryan, but we need actual concreate evidence before we can label this more then a small possibility. Throw that in and then we can talk more elaboratly.
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This is the fundamental problem. j bananas, i mentioned just briefly about the Stasi and you hadnt a clue who or what the stasi were. Similarly you have little or no knowledge of documented events like operation gladio. operation northwoods, hell even tapes have now surfaced proving that Roosevelt knew well in advance about pearl harbour but he allowed it to happen anyway. This is the point history is littered with either planned government false flag attacks or attacks that took place. The latter includes operation gladio. Now with that in mind why are you so quick to dismiss the notion that the government has a hand here? This is a serious question and one you should be addressing in your own mind if not on here.
the fundemental problem is that u dont understand banana boy. conversations with him are serious for the first 2 posts, then he loses attention and ends up rambling. the key is to ramble with him. guide each other.