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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 14, 2006, 06:31:19 AM
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Let me explain...
Islam has been around since the Creator (God) has been around, and the Creator is eternal, infinite, and absolute; as is Islam. Islam means submission to the will of the Creator. The sun, moon, and stars testify to their Creator. The creation is evidence of the Creator.
The reason people say Islam started in the 7th century is because that's when the Arabic word "Islam" gained it's popularity. But it had always been a way of life that had been known to people, through past Prophets, although they used different languages to describe their submission to the Creator. The Creator has sent many Prophets known and unknown throughout time, and Muslims make no distinction between them, however Muhammad (pbuh) was the last and the last revealed book is the Qu'ran; which was revealed in Arabic. The English word for the Creator is God, and infact the Arabic word "Allah" has been around longer than the English word "God". But to put it in English terms Islam is "submission", and "submission" to the Creator is not associated with any person, place, time, or event.
Jalladin Rumi explains it beautifully, when he wrote, "The faithful bow willingly intending the pleasure of God (Allah). The unbeliever worships God, but unwillingly, intending some other desire. Yes he keeps the kings fortress in repair, but claims to be in command."
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Can you show any evidence that people practised Islam the way Muhammad and his followers did before Muhammad introduced it to his people? Show me historical evidence, outside the Quran, that Ramadan or Ede was present in societies predating Muhammad. Show me that culture in other eras.
If all you have is "it's true because the Quran says it's true" then you have nothing more than a man that says "it's true because the Bible says it's true".
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the Qu'ran references the bible right? so the bible must have come first.. duh!
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bryan why dont u spend time trying to convert actual people, im sure there's plenty of other dumb impressionable hicks in kansas, you guys can build a compound
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Let me explain...
Islam has been around since the Creator (God) has been around, and the Creator is eternal, infinite, and absolute; as is Islam. Islam means submission to the will of the Creator. The sun, moon, and stars testify to their Creator. The creation is evidence of the Creator.
Evidence definition: your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief;
i must emphise the belief part in this particular instance, because evidence does not necessarily contribute to fact. Therefore you have no way of proving the 'the creator' created the world, even though you try very hard to present it in this form, however no one until this day has been about to prove any of the theories of how the world and universe was created, so don't get too down about it.
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islam was invented in the sixties by ron hubbard
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Hinduisim was the first religion on earth wasnt it
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Hinduisim was the first religion on earth wasnt it
yeah thats true. Hinduism started way before other religions.
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Let me explain...
Islam has been around since the Creator (God) has been around, and the Creator is eternal, infinite, and absolute; as is Islam. Islam means submission to the will of the Creator. The sun, moon, and stars testify to their Creator. The creation is evidence of the Creator.
The reason people say Islam started in the 7th century is because that's when the Arabic word "Islam" gained it's popularity. But it had always been a way of life that had been known to people, through past Prophets, although they used different languages to describe their submission to the Creator. The Creator has sent many Prophets known and unknown throughout time, and Muslims make no distinction between them, however Muhammad (pbuh) was the last and the last revealed book is the Qu'ran; which was revealed in Arabic. The English word for the Creator is God, and infact the Arabic word "Allah" has been around longer than the English word "God". But to put it in English terms Islam is "submission", and "submission" to the Creator is not associated with any person, place, time, or event.
Jalladin Rumi explains it beautifully, when he wrote, "The faithful bow willingly intending the pleasure of God (Allah). The unbeliever worships God, but unwillingly, intending some other desire. Yes he keeps the kings fortress in repair, but claims to be in command."
The Islam and Christian religion are very similair. But the ''modern'' Islam really started in the 7th century. Its a collection of different relegions that were in the middle east at the time. Mohamed made it popular the way it is now. You could say the same thing about Christianity, im sure there were a lot of people who practised it before Jesus came. But Mohamed and Jesus made their religions popular the way it is now. So you cannot really say its been there before that.
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Can you show any evidence that people practised Islam the way Muhammad and his followers did before Muhammad introduced it to his people? Show me historical evidence, outside the Quran, that Ramadan or Ede was present in societies predating Muhammad. Show me that culture in other eras.
If all you have is "it's true because the Quran says it's true" then you have nothing more than a man that says "it's true because the Bible says it's true".
Eid is a celebration day at the end of Hajj and Ramadaan, the Muslim religion was not founded upon the Eid holiday. Previous Prophets did not observe this holiday, nor were they obligated to, in fact, modern day Muslim aren't even obligated to, it's just a celebration.
As for Ramadaan. Many Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) encouraged fasting amongst their people, (Jesus and Moses for example) Major articles of faith in Islam such #1. Worship of God alone without partner #2. Fasting #3. Charity #4. Prayer, have been around long before the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) infact, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was following the way of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and others before him.
Let's take Jesus for example. He followed all the major principles of Islam. He worshipped and prayed to God alone. He fasted. He gave charity and service to poor and those in need. He made good deeds. These are the major principles of Islam. God's religion has been the same throughout time, Paul is the one who made Christianity when he started teaching a hundred years after Jesus died, that Jesus was a partner to God and an idol to be worshipped.
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Let me explain...
Islam has been around since the Creator (God) has been around, and the Creator is eternal, infinite, and absolute; as is Islam. Islam means submission to the will of the Creator. The sun, moon, and stars testify to their Creator. The creation is evidence of the Creator.
Wrong! Islam began wit Muhammad who was born in 571 AD. Within 50 years of his death in 632 AD, the vast dominions of the caliphs, stretched from the Caspian Sea on the east to the Straits of Gibralter on the west.
Recognize...my knowledge far out weighs your feeble mind.
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Wrong! Islam began wit Muhammad who was born in 571 AD. Within 50 years of his death in 632 AD, the vast dominions of the caliphs, stretched from the Caspian Sea on the east to the Straits of Gibralter on the west.
Recognize...my knowledge far out weighs your feeble mind.
How can you say that Islam began in 571 when the sun and moon, and all things in creation are in a state of submission to their Creator? Islam means submission to the Creator.
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Let me explain...
Islam has been around since the Creator (God) has been around, and the Creator is eternal, infinite, and absolute; as is Islam. Islam means submission to the will of the Creator. The sun, moon, and stars testify to their Creator. The creation is evidence of the Creator.
The reason people say Islam started in the 7th century is because that's when the Arabic word "Islam" gained it's popularity. But it had always been a way of life that had been known to people, through past Prophets, although they used different languages to describe their submission to the Creator. The Creator has sent many Prophets known and unknown throughout time, and Muslims make no distinction between them, however Muhammad (pbuh) was the last and the last revealed book is the Qu'ran; which was revealed in Arabic. The English word for the Creator is God, and infact the Arabic word "Allah" has been around longer than the English word "God". But to put it in English terms Islam is "submission", and "submission" to the Creator is not associated with any person, place, time, or event.
Jalladin Rumi explains it beautifully, when he wrote, "The faithful bow willingly intending the pleasure of God (Allah). The unbeliever worships God, but unwillingly, intending some other desire. Yes he keeps the kings fortress in repair, but claims to be in command."
The Islam and Christian religion are very similair. But the ''modern'' Islam really started in the 7th century. Its a collection of different relegions that were in the middle east at the time. Mohamed made it popular the way it is now. You could say the same thing about Christianity, im sure there were a lot of people who practised it before Jesus came. But Mohamed and Jesus made their religions popular the way it is now. So you cannot really say its been there before that.
by modern, he means post jews and christians. Islam came around 600 AD
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Wrong! Islam began wit Muhammad who was born in 571 AD. Within 50 years of his death in 632 AD, the vast dominions of the caliphs, stretched from the Caspian Sea on the east to the Straits of Gibralter on the west.
Recognize...my knowledge far out weighs your feeble mind.
How can you say that Islam began in 571 when the sun and moon, and all things in creation are in a state of submission to their Creator? Islam means submission to the Creator.
lol
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Wrong! Islam began wit Muhammad who was born in 571 AD. Within 50 years of his death in 632 AD, the vast dominions of the caliphs, stretched from the Caspian Sea on the east to the Straits of Gibralter on the west.
Recognize...my knowledge far out weighs your feeble mind.
How can you say that Islam began in 571 when the sun and moon, and all things in creation are in a state of submission to their Creator? Islam means submission to the Creator.
what about black holes then, they don't give a fuck, they are not submitting to anything.
Islam, the religion, began with Muhammad. Same as Christianity began with Christ.
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Hinduisim was the first religion on earth wasnt it
yeah thats true. Hinduism started way before other religions.
That's actually not true, JUDAISM was the first recorded religion...
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Hinduisim was the first religion on earth wasnt it
yeah thats true. Hinduism started way before other religions.
That's actually not true, JUDAISM was the first recorded religion...
No, i perfectly remember the religions time graph in my history class it went:
1. Hinduism
2. Judaism
3. Christianity
4. Islam
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NO!
you're all wrong, it started just recently, I'm telling you
trust me, I know
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Hinduisim was the first religion on earth wasnt it
yeah thats true. Hinduism started way before other religions.
That's actually not true, JUDAISM was the first recorded religion...
The Veda's (hindu bible) are the oldest written down tekst recorded by men. Im not sure but i believe they are from around 2000 years BC.
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^ yup...
but there are far earlier recorded religions without literature. mostly based around female fertility and/or mother earth..
for example some bult underground "wombs" to meditate within.. they were painted with red ochre to recreate being in the womb.. being put in one of these off your face on hallucinogens was a spiritual experience.. in some cases they were only used by mystics, in others as a rite of passage into adulthood etc..
other worshipped gods created around crops etc..
religion is a tool to handle the unknown.. to allow man to stop worrying and focus in the here and now.
if you aren't comfortable in the world. for example.. not knowing if your crops are going to fail or not.. then you worship the 'crop god'..
since we're much more worldly these days.. if you're insecure about yourself and every aspect of your life.. you need a religion that will cover all those aspects.. so the later, more complicated religions encompass all things.. giving a generic 'place' to turn to for the weak minded and easily influenced. brian thinks islam is the answer to all this and all lifes problems.. and at some point he's going to be severely let down when he realises its not 'real'
religion... is the tool for you, if you're a tool ;)
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Well, I remember I had a question in my history class a few years back asking which was the first official/recorded religion, and the answer was Judaism...I mean, according to Jews the first man was Jewish and the first language was Hebrew, so it's all based on what you believe, I guess...PeACe
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yeah like i said.. this wasn't written down.. oral traditions n shit... before writing was invented..
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Well, I remember I had a question in my history class a few years back asking which was the first official/recorded religion, and the answer was Judaism...I mean, according to Jews the first man was Jewish and the first language was Hebrew, so it's all based on what you believe, I guess...PeACe
fuckin idiot
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King Tech you have no right calling anyone a idiot, you are hands down the dumbest person I have seen since I have been here.
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King Tech you have no right calling anyone a idiot, you are hands down the dumbest person I have seen since I have been here.
Looky here you faggot. Maybe where u are from, its acceptable to follow guys around like a fuckin mangy dick suckin groupie. but here on TOT, its not
this is the 2nd time, u , u fuckin no body, got my name in your mouth. You want my attention you lil whore, u have it.
cock suckin faggot, i already told your custy ass once. either prove me wrong, or shut the fuck up.
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signed up a week ago, and already has 100 posts.
fuckin loser.
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Im just saying what I see, you are very ignorant, and none of your views make much sense at all. You are a very dumb person thats all, no hard feelings.
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lol you are the last person that should call anyone a loser. Read some of your posts in this section, I was shocked at the how dumb you sound on a consistent basis.
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Important Dates in the History of Religion
http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/OTHERREFERENCE/RELIGION/SigDatesInRelHis.html (http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/OTHERREFERENCE/RELIGION/SigDatesInRelHis.html)
B.C.
c. 2000? -- Abraham, founder of Judaism, is alive.
c. 13th century -- Moses, Hebrew lawgiver, is alive
c. 1100 - c. 500 -- The Veda , sacred texts of the Hindus, are compiled.
604 -- Traditional birth date of Lao-tzu, founder of Taoism.
588 -- Traditional birth date of Zoroaster's revelation.
c. 563 - c. 483 -- Buddha, founder of Buddhism, is alive.
551 - 479 -- Confucius, founder of Confucianism, is alive.
c. 540 - c. 468 -- Mahavira, founder of the Jains is alive.
c. 200 -- The Bhagavad Gita, important Hindu text, is written.
6 or 4 - c. A.D. 30 -- Jesus of Nazareth, founder of Christianity, is alive.
A.D.
33? -- The Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ.
64? -- Peter, disciple of Jesus and, according to tradition, first bishop of Rome, dies.
c. 70 - c. 100 -- First four books of the New Testament - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - are written.
5th century -- Two Buddhist sects - Zen and Pure Land (or Amidism) - are established.
c. 570 - 632 -- Muhammad the prophet - whose teachings, recorded in the Koran, form the basis of Islam - is alive.
622 -- Muhammad flees persecution in Mecca and settles in Yathrib (later Medina); the first day of the lunar year in which this event, known as the Hegira, takes place marks the start of the Muslim era.
936 -- Traditional date of the arrival from Iran of the first Parsis (followers of Zoroastrianism) in India.
1054 -- Catholic Pope Leo IX condemns the patriarch of Constantinople, finalizing the split between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church.
c. 1224 - 74 -- Saint Thomas Aquinas, Italian philosopher and Roman Catholic theologian, is alive.
1309 - 77 -- The Roman Catholic papacy is seated in Avignon, France.
1483 - 1546 -- Martin Luther, leader of the Protestant Reformation in Germany and author of "95 Theses" (1517) is alive.
1491 - 1556 -- Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuit Order or Roman Catholic priests, is alive.
1509 - 64 -- John Calvin, leader of the Protestant Reformation in France, is alive.
1549 -- The first Christian mission in Japan is established.
1582 -- Jesuit Matteo Ricci is the first missionary to be sent to China.
1620 -- Plymouth Colony in North America is founded in December by 102 English Puritan separatists, known as Pilgrims.
1642 - 91 -- George Fox, English founder of the Protestant Society of Friends (the Quakers) is alive.
1703 - 91 -- John Wesley, English founder of the Protestant movement that later became the Methodist Church, is alive.
1859 -- Charles Darwin, English naturalist, publishes Origin of Species , which elucidates his theory of organic evolution.
1869 - 70 -- The first Roman Catholic Vatican Council, at which the dogma of papal infallibility is promulgated, is convened by Pope Pius IX.
1869 - 1948 -- Mohandas K. Gandhi, Indian spiritual and political leader who helped his country achieve independence from Britain and sought rapprochement between Hindus and Muslims, is alive.
1933 - 45 -- The systematic persecution and attempted extermination of European Jews, known as the Holocaust, by Adolf Hitler's Nazi party takes place.
1948 -- The independent Jewish state of Israel is declared.
1962 - 65 -- The second Roman Catholic Vatican Council, at which changes were made in the liturgy and greater participation in services by lay church members was encouraged, is convened by Pope John XXIII and concluded by Pope Paul VI.
it can be said with more historical accuracy that if anything the sun and moon and stars and rainbows and puppies and kitty cats...ect. have followed jewish ideals long before they 'followed' islam..
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Islam was the religion of Blackman, the original man. Muhammad just stole it from us, and now Infinite thinks he can become a GOD too if he converts to Islam.
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Im just saying what I see, you are very ignorant, and none of your views make much sense at all. You are a very dumb person thats all, no hard feelings.
disgusting. not only are you a faggot and a groupie but a coward as well.
tell me how the fuck does some no name fuck just show up out of no where and start quoting Tech callin him dumb? over a period of 3-4 posts and a couple days. without showing one quote, or link, proof or providing a single argument.
this faggot is riding my coat tails, name droppin ass faggot.
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lol you are the last person that should call anyone a loser. Read some of your posts in this section, I was shocked at the how dumb you sound on a consistent basis.
this loser spent his first week on dubcc studying Tech posts. smh :-\
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Islam was the religion of Blackman, the original man. Muhammad just stole it from us, and now Infinite thinks he can become a GOD too if he converts to Islam.
got a reference?
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got a reference?
Allah Clarence 13X, the Father, told me so. If he says it, it is true.
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got a reference?
Allah Clarence 13X, the Father, told me so. If he says it, it is true.
lol
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got a reference?
Allah Clarence 13X, the Father, told me so. If he says it, it is true.
lol
Christians think its true if Jesus said it so whats the difference.
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NOI isnt Orthodox Islam..
so... what about cracka's in islam.. not NOI?
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NOI isnt Orthodox Islam..
so... what about cracka's in islam.. not NOI?
Neither is the Five-Percent Nation, but we are the GODs and Allah told us so.
Doesn't matter about devils. Muslim or not, all shall have to perish come the revolution. This is, of course, why Infinite should stop playing apologist to Farrakhan and give up.
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how are all the crackas gonna die?
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how are all the crackas gonna die?
I don't know. Allah only knows.
Don't worry, tho...we might spare a handful that have intrinsic value. I dunno what we'd do without Martin Scorsese, for example.
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how can i help?
i heard the nation was arming itself with weapons and waiting for its moment..
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how can i help?
i heard the nation was arming itself with weapons and waiting for its moment..
Yes, we have lots of weapons, but their purpose right now is self-defense. When Allah gives us the sign, we will know what to do.
You can help by buying our music and giving us money to buy more guns.
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ok i'll buy more music.. but don't waste it on platinum chains and bentleys.. ya heard?
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ok i'll buy more music.. but don't waste it on platinum chains and bentleys.. ya heard?
Don't worry...those are rented, anyway. Every rapper who follows the Supreme Mathematics is using their money to buy 'mo guns, 'mo clips, 'mo bullets...
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ok i'll buy more music.. but don't waste it on platinum chains and bentleys.. ya heard?
Don't worry...those are rented, anyway. Every rapper who follows the Supreme Mathematics is using their money to buy 'mo guns, 'mo clips, 'mo bullets...
Well, I remember I had a question in my history class a few years back asking which was the first official/recorded religion, and the answer was Judaism...I mean, according to Jews the first man was Jewish and the first language was Hebrew, so it's all based on what you believe, I guess...PeACe
fuckin idiot
Yes, I'm a fuckin idiot because that's the Jewish belief...Go sip some 40s while reading the Quran, you faggot.
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Can you show any evidence that people practised Islam the way Muhammad and his followers did before Muhammad introduced it to his people? Show me historical evidence, outside the Quran, that Ramadan or Ede was present in societies predating Muhammad. Show me that culture in other eras.
If all you have is "it's true because the Quran says it's true" then you have nothing more than a man that says "it's true because the Bible says it's true".
Eid is a celebration day at the end of Hajj and Ramadaan, the Muslim religion was not founded upon the Eid holiday. Previous Prophets did not observe this holiday, nor were they obligated to, in fact, modern day Muslim aren't even obligated to, it's just a celebration.
As for Ramadaan. Many Prophets before the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) encouraged fasting amongst their people, (Jesus and Moses for example) Major articles of faith in Islam such #1. Worship of God alone without partner #2. Fasting #3. Charity #4. Prayer, have been around long before the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) infact, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was following the way of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and others before him.
Let's take Jesus for example. He followed all the major principles of Islam. He worshipped and prayed to God alone. He fasted. He gave charity and service to poor and those in need. He made good deeds. These are the major principles of Islam. God's religion has been the same throughout time, Paul is the one who made Christianity when he started teaching a hundred years after Jesus died, that Jesus was a partner to God and an idol to be worshipped.
100 years after Jesus died? Paul was killed 30 years after Jesus "died" (eventhough the Quran teaches you he did not die but was brought up to Heaven by Allah), so how exactly did he do all this 70 years after he was beheaded? Did Paul write the Gospel of John too? What about Mark and Matthew where the books describe the apostles worshipping Christ on Earth and Jesus not stopping them? Also, didn't Isa live on Earth for like 300 years with his council after the look-a-like was crucified? Wouldn't that mean Jesus outlived Paul and would have negated any of his teachings to the followers? How could Paul manipulate Christians while Jesus was still with them?
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Islam was the religion of Blackman, the original man. Muhammad just stole it from us, and now Infinite thinks he can become a GOD too if he converts to Islam.
bullshit the 'original man' worshiped animals and bannanas
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ok i'll buy more music.. but don't waste it on platinum chains and bentleys.. ya heard?
Don't worry...those are rented, anyway. Every rapper who follows the Supreme Mathematics is using their money to buy 'mo guns, 'mo clips, 'mo bullets...
what happens to people of dark skin not of African descent, the Malays, the Asiatics and the dark skinned natives of all lands except Africa, what shall happen to us? Are we also to perish come this foretold revolution? Or is the revolution strictly a cleansing of the white devil?
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devils or not .....white people are good quarter backs......::creates petition to get rid of aron brooks::
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devils or not .....white people are good quarter backs......::creates petition to get rid of aron brooks::
dont forget another valuable white man contribution....meat loaf
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i love it when infinite starts a sentence like this:
Islam has been around since the Creator (God) has been around, and the Creator is eternal, infinite, and absolute; as is Islam. Islam means submission to the will of the Creator. The sun, moon, and stars testify to their Creator. The creation is evidence of the Creator.
it really puts things into perspective.
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what happens to people of dark skin not of African descent, the Malays, the Asiatics and the dark skinned natives of all lands except Africa, what shall happen to us? Are we also to perish come this foretold revolution? Or is the revolution strictly a cleansing of the white devil?
EVERYONE is of African descent, even those you mentioned. Africa is the cradle of humanity.
Yes, this is just a cleansing of the white devil.
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^ doesn't that mean that we're all the same? how come you wanna clean shit then? you don't clean water by reducing it. we're all from the same source, we're all water, no matter if ocean or sea, salty or sweet.
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^ doesn't that mean that we're all the same? how come you wanna clean shit then? you don't clean water by reducing it. we're all from the same source, we're all water, no matter if ocean or sea, salty or sweet.
LOL...Why do you bother? The reaction is what keeps this moron going...
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^ doesn't that mean that we're all the same? how come you wanna clean shit then? you don't clean water by reducing it. we're all from the same source, we're all water, no matter if ocean or sea, salty or sweet.
Nope, Yakub made the white man inherently devilish. He is the same only in source, but his evil characteristics cannot be reformed. Well, not easily...
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According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race a race of devils, in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of "grafting" from the original black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. According to NOI doctrine, his progeny were destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original black peoples of the world regained dominance, a process that began in 1914.
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According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race a race of devils, in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of "grafting" from the original black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. According to NOI doctrine, his progeny were destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original black peoples of the world regained dominance, a process that began in 1914.
that sounds like a tight movie
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According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race a race of devils, in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of "grafting" from the original black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. According to NOI doctrine, his progeny were destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original black peoples of the world regained dominance, a process that began in 1914.
All truth. You forgot the part about the "mother wheel", though. That was always my favorite.