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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Twentytwofifty on October 16, 2006, 03:07:36 PM
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We are going on what? 5 and 1/2 years since his last album? What the hell is that? It's not like it takes him that long to make an album he was releasing one every other year. What the fuck is going on with him?
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fuck def jam
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Question: Why hasn't 'Red Gone Wild' been released yet?
Answer: Jay-Z's lack of giving a fuck about hip hop artists on Def Jam besides himself
What really pisses me off about him is he releases 2 Rihanna albums in 1 year not on Def Soul but DEF JAM. Then he releases Method Mans album with no promotion, no single, and no video.
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Jay-z is the worst president ever, he doesnt give a shit about a great rapper like Redman or Method Man, he likes to spend his time instead promoting the shitty artist's that he does. Camel couldnt run a label right if his life depended on it, Dame was always the brains behind the operation and now without Dame we are seeing first hand how terrible Camel is at trying to run a label.
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Jay-z is the worst president ever, he doesnt give a shit about a great rapper like Redman or Method Man, he likes to spend his time instead promoting the shitty artist's that he does. Camel couldnt run a label right if his life depended on it, Dame was always the brains behind the operation and now without Dame we are seeing first hand how terrible Camel is at trying to run a label.
Yeah cuz Dame has released crazy albums on his new label...
But yeah it's unbelievable that Red is MIA. I'm guessing Red doesn't suck as good a dick as Rihanna so he's not gonna get released.
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Jay-z is the worst president ever, he doesnt give a shit about a great rapper like Redman or Method Man, he likes to spend his time instead promoting the shitty artist's that he does. Camel couldnt run a label right if his life depended on it, Dame was always the brains behind the operation and now without Dame we are seeing first hand how terrible Camel is at trying to run a label.
Yeah cuz Dame has released crazy albums on his new label...
But yeah it's unbelievable that Red is MIA. I'm guessing Red doesn't suck as good a dick as Rihanna so he's not gonna get released.
lol, everyone knows most of Camel's success was due to the brains of Dame, everyone knows that.
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Jay-z is the worst president ever, he doesnt give a shit about a great rapper like Redman or Method Man, he likes to spend his time instead promoting the shitty artist's that he does. Camel couldnt run a label right if his life depended on it, Dame was always the brains behind the operation and now without Dame we are seeing first hand how terrible Camel is at trying to run a label.
Yeah cuz Dame has released crazy albums on his new label...
But yeah it's unbelievable that Red is MIA. I'm guessing Red doesn't suck as good a dick as Rihanna so he's not gonna get released.
lol, everyone knows most of Camel's success was due to the brains of Dame, everyone knows that.
Really? Whats your proof? I ain't defending Jay at all, cuz I don't know who's the better business man. But I'm pretty sure Dame hasn't released jack shit post-ROC. So whats your fuckin evidence that Dame was the brains behind the ROC?
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Someone refresh me on the whole deal Dame got. How much did he get paid for selling off his part of the ROC?
I haven't seen him do anything with music lately, he's probably building up a new cmpany, but he's produced a few movies. One movie that was really good was the Woodsman starring Kevin Bacon, Eve, and a few other good actors.
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he put out the last beenie seigel cd. and he got a deal on koch, gettin that gwop.
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Someone refresh me on the whole deal Dame got. How much did he get paid for selling off his part of the ROC?
I haven't seen him do anything with music lately, he's probably building up a new cmpany, but he's produced a few movies. One movie that was really good was the Woodsman starring Kevin Bacon, Eve, and a few other good actors.
Also Don't forget about Kareem "Biggs" Burke. He was also a silent partner at the Roc.
Got this from AHH:
Damon Dash is severing business ties with formers partners including Jay-Z and is selling his stake in Rocawear back to partners for $22 million dollars.
Rocawear was established in 1999 and has grossed over $500 million dollars since its inception.“Rocawear was my point of view, a Harlem swagger," Dash told AllHipHop.com of the sale. "They gave me $30 million and 75% of Team Roc. I'm real happy with the deal. I got $22.5 million in cash and the rest in companies (like State Property, Team Roc, Pro-Keds and other entities)."
Rumors of Dash making an exit from the Roc brand started to circulate shortly after Dash and Jay-Z sold Roc-A-Fella Records in 2004, a venture which they established in 1995
By the late 1990’s, Roc-A-Fella Records was raking in over $50 million dollars annually, releasing hit records by Jay-Z, Beanie Sigel, Memphis Bleek and others.
In 1997, Island Def Jam bought a 50% stake in the label for $1.5 million. The success helped launch Rocawear and Roc-A-Fella Films in 1999, Dash Films in 2001 and Armadale Vodka in 2002.
The label was sold back to Def Jam in 2004 amid rumors of a rift between Dash and superstar rapper and co-CEO Jay-Z.
The remaining 50% stake in Roc-A-Fella Records was acquired for $10 million dollars, giving Island Def Jam, a unit of Universal, 100 % ownership of the label.
So he got $22.5MIL in cash for Rocawear, as well as ownership of a few other entities. $22.5MIL ain't nothin to fuck with, but you'd think a company that was grossing over $500MIL would net him a bigger check, imo.
Rocafella records is 100% owned by Island / Def Jam, not Jay, Biggs, or Dame.
I wasn't aware of that movie that Dame put out. When I spoke that Dame hadn't done shit, it was in the sense of music that his new label DDMG had done, which wasn't much of anything.
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Jay-z is the worst president ever, he doesnt give a shit about a great rapper like Redman or Method Man, he likes to spend his time instead promoting the shitty artist's that he does. Camel couldnt run a label right if his life depended on it, Dame was always the brains behind the operation and now without Dame we are seeing first hand how terrible Camel is at trying to run a label.
I'm sorry to break it to ya son, but that don't make Jay-Z a "bad" president...on the contrary, it means that Hov is prioritizing artists who can SELL RECORDS, which makes him a smart businessman. I mean, let's face it...I hate seeing Method Man not getting more promotion, but even when he put out his last album in '04, it sold terribly and it got plenty of promotion. Dude hasn't made shit dope in years now, not since the original "Tical", IMO...it's no surprise to me he's fallen off and ain't selling like he was back when Wu Tang was at the height of their power.
But Jay has discovered a lot of new artists that have sold well - like Rihanna, Jeezy, Bobby Valentino, and Rick Ross - and he's overseen other established artists putting out successful records (like Kanye and Luda). Plus you know he's gonna make himself go multi-Plat and chances are he'll do well with Nas and Fabolous. Shit, even Dipset fans gotta hand it to him for helping Juelz go Platinum last year. So is he really such a bad president? I dunno if he's all that great, but he seems to be doing OK for himself.
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Camel = Dame and Biggs bitch for years :D
Bleak = flop.
Gunnerz = flop
freeway = mia
method man = flop
ghostface = (undeserved) flop
Rhianna = 2 hit singles and still no platinum plaque.
Tiara Mari = flop
Kanye = could constantly break wind for an hour and a half and still sell records.
Bobby V = Gold, with a hit single and a guest spot with Luda, should have done better.
Jeezy and Rick Ross = Inexplicably sold records, obviosly only in the south though.
Redman = mia
Fab = mia
Defjam is dead.
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Bleak = flop.
Gunnerz = flop
freeway = mia
method man = flop
True.
ghostface = (undeserved) flop
On Def Jam Left, which means less promotion and lower budget; still hit Top 10 and sold decently considering the investment.
Same for The Roots, BTW.
Rhianna = 2 hit singles and still no platinum plaque.
She's been Platinum for a while now...check the RIAA site again.
Kanye = could constantly break wind for an hour and a half and still sell records.
But it was partially his association with Jay-Z that got him to that point in the first place.
Bobby V = Gold, with a hit single and a guest spot with Luda, should have done better.
Gold is never bad unless you're like Michael Jackson and spend $30 million making the album.
Jeezy and Rick Ross = Inexplicably sold records, obviosly only in the south though.
Yeah, and Jeezy sold more than Cam did when he was on the Roc, and Rick Ross went Gold. Does it matter where they got it from?
Redman = mia
Fab = mia
We'll have to see when they come out, tho I dunno where you got that about Fab. Is there any indication of label troubles with him?
Defjam is dead.
I'm surprised you forgot about your homeboy Juelz, who went Gold (and almost Plat) on Def Jam just one year ago. His album sold more than the leader of his own crew, and he's now only the 2nd person in Dipset to get a plaque. And he did with Jigga's help, which is exactly what Cam didn't have this time around with "Killa Seasoin"...coincidence? I think not.
And anyway, Def Jam is definitely not dead. What you don't seem to understand is that labels sign dozens of artists and put out lots of albums every year in the hope that a few of them will become successful. Just look at how many albums Atlantic has put out this year that flopped, for example. That's how the business works. There is nothing unusual about Jigga's hits-to-flops ratio as Def Jam's prez.
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Jeezy and Rick Ross = Inexplicably sold records, obviosly only in the south though.
Yeah, and Jeezy sold more than Cam did when he was on the Roc, and Rick Ross went Gold. Does it matter where they got it from?
jeezy only went platinum and cam has a gold(purple haze) and a plat(come home with me) on the roc
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jeezy only went platinum and cam has a gold(purple haze) and a plat(come home with me) on the roc
Billboard's article today says Jeezy sold 1.7 million. They may both have plaques, but did Cam get that high? Remember you can sell 900K and still go Platinum if you've shipped 1 million records.
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Nah, course i dint forget bout Juelz, but u already mentioned he went plat, so i never brung it up (not 2 make my argument look better or nethin (cough cough*)
IMO it tells you all you need 2 know that in order to get sales, he has 2 squash a beef with someone who absolutly slaughtered him, and come out of retirement himself. Pretty...
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
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Reggie did a video and everything but Def Jam pushed his shit back. Reg needs to go indie or something coz it´s not like his fanbase is small coz he done sold millions of albums.
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You guys calling Redman a great rapper are exagerating wayyyy to much i mean he's ok he was good in def squad when surrounded with talented guy even wth Method man but onhis own he's average at best. He does have some good songs.
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You guys calling Redman a great rapper are exagerating wayyyy to much i mean he's ok he was good in def squad when surrounded with talented guy even wth Method man but onhis own he's average at best. He does have some good songs.
hahaha
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You guys calling Redman a great rapper are exagerating wayyyy to much i mean he's ok he was good in def squad when surrounded with talented guy even wth Method man but onhis own he's average at best. He does have some good songs.
go listen to his first 3 albums
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Redman, Budden aren't droppin cds anytime soon... Detox will be in the stores before ::)
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Nah, course i dint forget bout Juelz, but u already mentioned he went plat, so i never brung it up (not 2 make my argument look better or nethin (cough cough*)
IMO it tells you all you need 2 know that in order to get sales, he has 2 squash a beef with someone who absolutly slaughtered him, and come out of retirement himself. Pretty...
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
if your on about jim jones then he aint got one plaque solo as both his albums have sold combined around 500,000 , also dipset went gold on the roc/diplomat but cam'ron only had on plaque before the roc as sde and harlems finest flopped and cam also flopped with killa season
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or what
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so he got $22.5MIL in cash for Rocawear, as well as ownership of a few other entities. $22.5MIL ain't nothin to fuck with, but you'd think a company that was grossing over $500MIL would net him a bigger check, imo.
There is a huge difference between gross and net profit.
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phock di ras claat def jam
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so he got $22.5MIL in cash for Rocawear, as well as ownership of a few other entities. $22.5MIL ain't nothin to fuck with, but you'd think a company that was grossing over $500MIL would net him a bigger check, imo.
There is a huge difference between gross and net profit.
somebody get this guy a cookie.
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Jim Jones got plaques? No mention of it on the RIAA site. Cam only got one plaque before the Roc, for "Confessions of Fire". "SDE" was a flop, which is why he decided to ditch Epic and head for Def Jam and the Roc.
I ain't gonna dispute Cam's legitimacy as a star (he's got his niche, obviously), but I don't think you can deny that getting with Jay-Z did raise his popularity immensely. Seriously, were you even listening to him before then? I know I wasn't.
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You guys calling Redman a great rapper are exagerating wayyyy to much i mean he's ok he was good in def squad when surrounded with talented guy even wth Method man but onhis own he's average at best. He does have some good songs.
Nigga you craaazzyyy!
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Jim Jones got plaques? No mention of it on the RIAA site. Cam only got one plaque before the Roc, for "Confessions of Fire". "SDE" was a flop, which is why he decided to ditch Epic and head for Def Jam and the Roc.
I ain't gonna dispute Cam's legitimacy as a star (he's got his niche, obviously), but I don't think you can deny that getting with Jay-Z did raise his popularity immensely. Seriously, were you even listening to him before then? I know I wasn't.
Exactly. Horse & Carriage was a semi-hit. "What means the World to you" was pretty dope, but I only saw it on BET a handful of times and never anywhere elese, but SDE wasn't blowin up. Now when he dropped "Oh Boy" and then followed up with that Commodores sampled song (can't think of the name right now) he officially had some real status.
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I hope he hasnt but malpractice was a big disappointment for me muddy waters is still his finest album. That said he does have an impressive list of albums I hope this new album does see the light of day though, I know there are a few songs he leaked to the net like the saga continues but I hope those were basically warm up songs because it was ok n all but that song wasn't making any real waves when i heard it.
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Jim Jones got plaques? No mention of it on the RIAA site. Cam only got one plaque before the Roc, for "Confessions of Fire". "SDE" was a flop, which is why he decided to ditch Epic and head for Def Jam and the Roc.
I ain't gonna dispute Cam's legitimacy as a star (he's got his niche, obviously), but I don't think you can deny that getting with Jay-Z did raise his popularity immensely. Seriously, were you even listening to him before then? I know I wasn't.
Exactly. Horse & Carriage was a semi-hit. "What means the World to you" was pretty dope, but I only saw it on BET a handful of times and never anywhere elese, but SDE wasn't blowin up. Now when he dropped "Oh Boy" and then followed up with that Commodores sampled song (can't think of the name right now) he officially had some real status.
hey ma
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You guys calling Redman a great rapper are exagerating wayyyy to much i mean he's ok he was good in def squad when surrounded with talented guy even wth Method man but onhis own he's average at best. He does have some good songs.
MTL, I am very, very disappointed with you right now. I want you to go sit in that corner over there, face the wall, and think about the horrible, blasphemous things you've just said. And after that, I want you to put on "Whut?" and listen to it at least three times. If you do not, you will never be allowed to speak before the GOD again.
Exactly. Horse & Carriage was a semi-hit. "What means the World to you" was pretty dope, but I only saw it on BET a handful of times and never anywhere elese, but SDE wasn't blowin up. Now when he dropped "Oh Boy" and then followed up with that Commodores sampled song (can't think of the name right now) he officially had some real status.
It's funny, I barely even remember "Horse & Carriage", or "3-5-7" or any of the other tracks that were released as singles. As far as I remembered, he was just another anonymous pop-thug rapper who everyone else was listening to, and who appeared on some other cats' albums. "Oh, Boy" was definitely the point where Cam even registered as remotely significant in my mind, and it was mostly just cause you couldn't go anywhere without hearing that song, it was so popular. And now the influx of Dipset Stans on here has made it impossible for me to avoid contact with Cam and Dipset on a regular basis...I have to admit that they're part of the reason I went back and gave Cam's older stuff a chance again.
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Jim Jones got plaques? No mention of it on the RIAA site. Cam only got one plaque before the Roc, for "Confessions of Fire". "SDE" was a flop, which is why he decided to ditch Epic and head for Def Jam and the Roc.
I ain't gonna dispute Cam's legitimacy as a star (he's got his niche, obviously), but I don't think you can deny that getting with Jay-Z did raise his popularity immensely. Seriously, were you even listening to him before then? I know I wasn't.
Exactly. Horse & Carriage was a semi-hit. "What means the World to you" was pretty dope, but I only saw it on BET a handful of times and never anywhere elese, but SDE wasn't blowin up. Now when he dropped "Oh Boy" and then followed up with that Commodores sampled song (can't think of the name right now) he officially had some real status.
hey ma
Thanks. +1
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lmfao @ the comedy in this thread.... redman not being a great rapper, jimmy having plaques, straight comedy you guys... keep it up.
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Redman is one of the dopest rappers ever
long time ago in that song 'Saga Continues' he said "Def Jam forgot how to put out an artist"
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Nah, course i dint forget bout Juelz, but u already mentioned he went plat, so i never brung it up (not 2 make my argument look better or nethin (cough cough*)
IMO it tells you all you need 2 know that in order to get sales, he has 2 squash a beef with someone who absolutly slaughtered him, and come out of retirement himself. Pretty...
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
if your on about jim jones then he aint got one plaque solo as both his albums have sold combined around 500,000 , also dipset went gold on the roc/diplomat but cam'ron only had on plaque before the roc as sde and harlems finest flopped and cam also flopped with killa season
Nope. On my way to church = Gold.
Diary of a Harlem summer = gold.
Hustlers POME = 10 mill on the strength of one single.
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Nope. On my way to church = Gold.
Diary of a Harlem summer = gold.
Hustlers POME = 10 mill on the strength of one single.
I'm sorry to say that the RIAA site doesn't have Jimmy down for ANY certifications at all, for either album. Where is your proof (and it better not be Wikipedia)?
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From www.funkdoc.com
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Red Gone Wild Thee Album - posted on 10-07-2006
RED GONE WILD THE ALBUM WILL BE RELEASED IN MARCH OF 2007.*THIS HAS BEEN A DECISION MADE BY DEF JAM. SO PLEASE STOP SPECULATING WITH THE RUMORS AND PRE-ORDERS ETC... ITS MARCH DEFINITELY AND THE FIRST SINGLE WILL BE PRODUCED BY TIMBERLAND- SORRY FOR THE WAIT BUT IT IS WHUT IT IS
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From www.funkdoc.com
Quote:
Red Gone Wild Thee Album - posted on 10-07-2006
RED GONE WILD THE ALBUM WILL BE RELEASED IN MARCH OF 2007.*THIS HAS BEEN A DECISION MADE BY DEF JAM. SO PLEASE STOP SPECULATING WITH THE RUMORS AND PRE-ORDERS ETC... ITS MARCH DEFINITELY AND THE FIRST SINGLE WILL BE PRODUCED BY TIMBERLAND- SORRY FOR THE WAIT BUT IT IS WHUT IT IS
hahaha @ "definitely"
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Uh Bumpy i think you forgetting the 2 plaques Jimmy got, and the 2 plaques Cam got when he wasnt with the roc. Other than that your comments are pretty much fair. I disagree with a couple, but whatever.
Nah, course i dint forget bout Juelz, but u already mentioned he went plat, so i never brung it up (not 2 make my argument look better or nethin (cough cough*)
IMO it tells you all you need 2 know that in order to get sales, he has 2 squash a beef with someone who absolutly slaughtered him, and come out of retirement himself. Pretty...
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
if your on about jim jones then he aint got one plaque solo as both his albums have sold combined around 500,000 , also dipset went gold on the roc/diplomat but cam'ron only had on plaque before the roc as sde and harlems finest flopped and cam also flopped with killa season
Nope. On my way to church = Gold.
Diary of a Harlem summer = gold.
Hustlers POME = 10 mill on the strength of one single.
In your mind only brother
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its all about the benjamins,
hes pushing the artists that will sell and bring in $$$
its all business.