West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: The King Of L.A on October 19, 2006, 03:07:43 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIgLGUB_TY&eurl=
hahahah fucking lame rappers are mad
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Yeah Atlanta is really running the rap industry when the wackest song ever made came from that city last year. Just looks like a bunch of jealousy to me
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the south dont even know what hip hop is what the fuck are the whinning about? They don't even do hip hop music why they mad? i dont understand. Are they thinking because their rapping on beats their shit is hip hop? hip hop is a way of life that aint got nothing to do with the south mentality sorry.
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Hip hop is dead though.
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Outside of Wayne, Devin, Face and a couple of others I dont like the South at all music wise. But you cant deny they are on top right now, the South supports their artists like crazy. Isnt TI's album already over 1.5 or 1.6 million? Anyways they are on top and have been the past couple years as much as I hate to say that cause majority of the music sucks imo
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Outside of Wayne, Devin, Face and a couple of others I dont like the South at all music wise. But you cant deny they are on top right now, the South supports their artists like crazy. Isnt TI's album already over 1.5 or 1.6 million? Anyways they are on top and have been the past couple years as much as I hate to say that cause majority of the music sucks imo
but its still not hiphop
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Outside of Wayne, Devin, Face and a couple of others I dont like the South at all music wise. But you cant deny they are on top right now, the South supports their artists like crazy. Isnt TI's album already over 1.5 or 1.6 million? Anyways they are on top and have been the past couple years as much as I hate to say that cause majority of the music sucks imo
but its still not hiphop
So Scarface, UGK, Lil Wayne, Ludacris, TI etc aint hip hop? What a crock of shit.
Just because they rap about rims, cars bitches etc doesnt make them any less "hip hop" than masta ace.
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Outside of Wayne, Devin, Face and a couple of others I dont like the South at all music wise. But you cant deny they are on top right now, the South supports their artists like crazy. Isnt TI's album already over 1.5 or 1.6 million? Anyways they are on top and have been the past couple years as much as I hate to say that cause majority of the music sucks imo
but its still not hiphop
So Scarface, UGK, Lil Wayne, Ludacris, TI etc aint hip hop? What a crock of shit.
Just because they rap about rims, cars bitches etc doesnt make them any less "hip hop" than masta ace.
exactly. to the average 45 year old white man there is no difference between busta or nas or d4l or tupac, its all negro-bop anyway
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I wouldn't call ugk hip hop but they are my favorite crew from the south no doubt. They more gangsta rap to me. You see hip hop is not about a form, it's about a spirit and a way of thinking. To me, hip hop is really artistic, or spiritual, or rooted to the new york way of life like gangstarr depicted in their songs. That shit ain't dead, they're are still battles, djs and beatboxer in nyc, krs one is still there, guru still there, wu tang still there, nas, rakim, etc. But what is popular nowadays is just gangsta rap (g unit, dipset, etc) or pop rap (bep). The south is doing something between, they are pushing some gangsta shit but with a strong intent to do a lot of money in short time with good productions and weak music. I'm not talking about bun b, scarface, or outkast(sometimes they really wack though). I'm talking about D4L, mike jones and others
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jus cuz some fruity lookin nigga mad dont mean the whole south is mad at nas..shit the nigga the main nigga thass bumpin his gums last time i checked he is from missouri..which is the midwest..
anybody sayin the south aint hip hop..need to realize the people they hate on doin the same shit biz markie,dougie fresh,heavy d,and the rest how biz markie and the fuckin fat boys are hip hop..
but d4l and mike jones not?
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jus cuz some fruity lookin nigga mad dont mean the whole south is mad at nas..shit the nigga the main nigga thass bumpin his gums last time i checked he is from missouri..which is the midwest..
anybody sayin the south aint hip hop..need to realize the people they hate on doin the same shit biz markie,dougie fresh,heavy d,and the rest how biz markie and the fuckin fat boys are hip hop..
but d4l and mike jones not?
I agree, just you don't like it doesn't make it hip hop and I don't listen to much southern hip hop honestly. It's not up to us to determine if it's hip hop or not.
Besides there was a time when people were saying the bulk of west coast rap wasn't hip hop. That's what set off the east/west beef if you don't remember, some folks like Cube took it personally.
To say that Gangstarr is hop hop and UGK isn't doesn't make sense, especially since Bun B can rap circles around Guru, but whatever. Just because it doesn't sound like New York doesn't make it less authentic.
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thats j-nicks, we dont claim him as a southern represenitve. hes from st louis but he has a radio show on hot 107.9 in atlanta called the dirty boys. dont listen to a word he says.
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isn't j-nicks that faggot that hosted rap city for a while
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yeah he is
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Wiggers, please stop trying to say the South ain't hip-hop just cause it's on top right now. You aren't going to win the respect of the struggling minority underclass cause you can diss Mike Jones or D4L (they're easy targets anyway), and in the end, us negroes will still kill you all when the revolution pops off.
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and ya mama will beat your ass after that
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Why should the SOuth care about Nas? They're doing 10 times the numbers.
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LMFAO @ whys everything gotta be about something... and lol @ bringin up record sales... Nas is title is about the music... its about the culture as a whole that is dead.... sorry if this makes no sense i had to smoke and start drinkin after the mets game b/c i need to fall asleep somehow
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Outside of Wayne, Devin, Face and a couple of others I dont like the South at all music wise. But you cant deny they are on top right now, the South supports their artists like crazy. Isnt TI's album already over 1.5 or 1.6 million? Anyways they are on top and have been the past couple years as much as I hate to say that cause majority of the music sucks imo
Thats because the rappers you mentionned are good and besides a couple of other southern rappers all of it is almost all crunk on that shit is not hip hop.
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Nasir lost ;D let the hating continue.
Dipset
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Funny how them dudes in the video only proved Nas is right with his album title. He was only saying hiphop culture is spiritually dead, people in general is brainwashed... And then you got some ignorant fools from the south taking it all personal, as if Nas was even aiming at that. Nas really is right on that one.
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I wouldn't call ugk hip hop but they are my favorite crew from the south no doubt. They more gangsta rap to me.
delete your account
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Indeed hip-hop is dead!!!! And unfortunatly for the hip-hop lovers HIP-POP is alive!!!!!
That's two different things... Cause Nas, Masta Ace, Wu-Tang, Mos Def, etc, can't be put in the same musical category as UGK, Mike Jones, T.I and them other south cats. That's just two different kind of music, who just happen to be made by the same kind of people (african-american between 18 and 35 yo).
Hardcore and metal are two different kinds of music, but they made by the same kind of people (white guys between 20 and 70 yo :))...
You get the point???
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nope, i dont see how u can elevate your mind spiritualy with the kind of music d4l are making
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south cant match the east or west when it comes to quality artists.
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Chamillionaire is the only south rapper i really listen too. but yea, niggaz be on that hoe shit though.
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south cant match the east or west when it comes to quality artists.
no it cant, but sales are a different a story.
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south cant match the east or west when it comes to quality artists.
Not the East, but the West for sure. How hard is it these days to outmatch the West in quality? 99% of what the West puts out these days is old-ass has-been rappers who claim they're still Crippin' at 40, and most of them can't even rap that well anymore. The best Southern rappers of today (Outkast, Goodie Mob, UGK, 8Ball & MJG, Little Brother, Ludacris, T.I., etc.) easily match the best West Coast rappers of the 90s.
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I can't stand the south hype. The style of the new era south music is pissing me off. Very childish music, only about simple hooks and dope delivery. Ever since Jay pimped Nas, I lost respect for Nas. But, on this one, I'm with Nas.
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how many TRUE classic albums can hip hop claim?
not that many considering other genres of music
how many TRUE classics can southern hip hop claim?
not many at all
now out of ALLLLLL classic albums in hip hop , which one rises to the top universally on most lists?
Illmatic
so IMO nas has more authority to talk about the state of hip hop's current state then some E-R'ers whose lives revolve around being bar flies
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how many TRUE classic albums can hip hop claim?
not that many considering other genres of music
how many TRUE classics can southern hip hop claim?
not many at all
now out of ALLLLLL classic albums in hip hop , which one rises to the top universally on most lists?
Illmatic
so IMO nas has more authority to talk about the state of hip hop's current state then some E-R'ers whose lives revolve around being bar flies
i woulda said chronic because i didnt like illmatic. it doesnt sound fresh anymore. the chronic still sounds 2nd day fresh.
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Nas been talked about Money and shit. How is HE Hip Hop but T.I. isn't? Masta Ace been talked about Cars and shit, but he's Hip Hop and U.G.K. isn't? Tell Mos Def that dead prez ain't Hip Hop cuz they're from the South. If Wu-Tang's Hip Hop so is the Geto Boys.
You have gotta be kidding me. People can sit here and big up Kurupt, Daz, Goldie Loc, MC Eiht etc. etc. and you NEVER hear anyone say they're not Hip Hop. But a name like Bun B is brought up and you hear "Oh man, that's that South bullshit. That ain't Hip Hop." Idiot, Bun B will rap circles around your favorite Rapper.
Miss me with that bullshit "Only Scarface, Devin and Outkast are respectable." That's that politcally correct bullshit to not look like a Super Hater. That's the same shit ya'll said last year and the year before that. Plain and simple, you guys are upset to see music YOU don't like succeed, so the only way to fight it is say it's "Not Hip Hop." Who the fuck are you to say "Gangsta Rap" is not "Hip Hop"?
So, now N.W.A. isn't Hip Hop? KRS-One isn't Hip Hop? Some people are just dumb. Sugar Hill Gang made one of the first Hip Hop songs. Their song was full of lyrics that bragged about Money and Possessions. Slick Rick and Big Daddy Kane rocked tons of Jewels, but you guys consider them Hip Hop. L.L. Cool J is respected by EVERYONE and what did he do? Rap about Females. Let's be real... You guys don't know Hip Hop beyond 1998 and shit. Muthafuckas started listening when Eminem came out and felt they knew what "Real" Hip Hop was.
Tell me how ANY of these people aren't Hip Hop. I would like to hear it.
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Hip Hop is dead
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Still bringing up Illmatic for Nas is like still bringing up Doggystyle for Snoop. Yes, they made a great album. But, that album is more tha 10 years old. These dudes aren't spitting like that anymore. They're not making songs like that anymore. Nas cannot and will not ever make an album like Illmatic. No Nas album will ever get that much acclaim. Let's look at what's current. We're talking about the CURRENT state of Hip Hop, so what's relevent is what's current. NOT what happened 12 years ago.
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man there are some idiots up in here
I got some South shit in my collection, it doesn't matter where the fuck it's from
these guys saying it isn't "hip hop"... what the fuck is hip hop something out of New York?
something with some weak ass beat?
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Hip-hop is a genre of music, plain and simple (not including hip hop culture).
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Only on Dubcc...
Nas been talked about Money and shit. How is HE Hip Hop but T.I. isn't? Masta Ace been talked about Cars and shit, but he's Hip Hop and U.G.K. isn't? Tell Mos Def that dead prez ain't Hip Hop cuz they're from the South. If Wu-Tang's Hip Hop so is the Geto Boys.
You have gotta be kidding me. People can sit here and big up Kurupt, Daz, Goldie Loc, MC Eiht etc. etc. and you NEVER hear anyone say they're not Hip Hop. But a name like Bun B is brought up and you hear "Oh man, that's that South bullshit. That ain't Hip Hop." Idiot, Bun B will rap circles around your favorite Rapper.
Miss me with that bullshit "Only Scarface, Devin and Outkast are respectable." That's that politcally correct bullshit to not look like a Super Hater. That's the same shit ya'll said last year and the year before that. Plain and simple, you guys are upset to see music YOU don't like succeed, so the only way to fight it is say it's "Not Hip Hop." Who the fuck are you to say "Gangsta Rap" is not "Hip Hop"?
So, now N.W.A. isn't Hip Hop? KRS-One isn't Hip Hop? Some people are just dumb. Sugar Hill Gang made one of the first Hip Hop songs. Their song was full of lyrics that bragged about Money and Possessions. Slick Rick and Big Daddy Kane rocked tons of Jewels, but you guys consider them Hip Hop. L.L. Cool J is respected by EVERYONE and what did he do? Rap about Females. Let's be real... You guys don't know Hip Hop beyond 1998 and shit. Muthafuckas started listening when Eminem came out and felt they knew what "Real" Hip Hop was.
Tell me how ANY of these people aren't Hip Hop. I would like to hear it.
That was one hundred percent on the money. This thread reminds me of what heads used to say over a decade ago "The only good hip hop out the west is heiro and pharcyde". Now yall are applying it to the south. It seems like things go in cycles.
Some of yall really need to study and understand the history of hip hop, and why hip hop was started in the first place, or you wouldn't be making these comments.
First off, hip hop is an expression of the frustrated and disenchanted black youth of the inner city, similar to Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rhtym and Blues and Rock and Roll which predated it. Not only did these early hip hop heads party (i e Planet Rock) with those party james in the parks of NYC, but they also spit street science (i e The Message), which isn't that far off of many gangsta raps the followed.
When you talk about 4 elements, which is somethign that "true hip hop head backpacker types" always mention, those are simply an arm of what the core spirit behind hip hop, which is basically a means for the young black male to express himself and to make something out of nothing. It goes way beyond the way you rhyme, the way you put a beat together or any of that shit. When yall start screaming "real hip hop", you're completely missing the point. Just because they don't rhyme the way you're used to hearing, just because they don't party like you do or make music the way you're used to hearing does not make it any less authentic as it is still what it is at its core, poor young disenfranchised black youth trying to make something out of nothing, the whole reason why Afrika Bambaataa created the Zulu Nation which gave birth to hip hop in the first place.
So when yall say things like "this southern rapper isn't hip hop", look at the basics. Look back to the roots of this shit. Yeah, you will always have dope and wack artists. Therer will always be cats getting over on gimmicks, but to judge the south by Mike Jones is like judging New York because of Ma$e or the west coast because of MC Hammer.
Now go and listen to track 14, So Tired on DJ Hitek's album with Bun B, Devin, and Pretty Ugly and try to tell me that isn't hip hop.
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Now go and listen to track 14, So Tired on DJ Hitek's album with Bun B, Devin, and Pretty Ugly and try to tell me that isn't hip hop.
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those people got the Hi-Tek album too
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Only on Dubcc...
Nas been talked about Money and shit. How is HE Hip Hop but T.I. isn't? Masta Ace been talked about Cars and shit, but he's Hip Hop and U.G.K. isn't? Tell Mos Def that dead prez ain't Hip Hop cuz they're from the South. If Wu-Tang's Hip Hop so is the Geto Boys.
You have gotta be kidding me. People can sit here and big up Kurupt, Daz, Goldie Loc, MC Eiht etc. etc. and you NEVER hear anyone say they're not Hip Hop. But a name like Bun B is brought up and you hear "Oh man, that's that South bullshit. That ain't Hip Hop." Idiot, Bun B will rap circles around your favorite Rapper.
Miss me with that bullshit "Only Scarface, Devin and Outkast are respectable." That's that politcally correct bullshit to not look like a Super Hater. That's the same shit ya'll said last year and the year before that. Plain and simple, you guys are upset to see music YOU don't like succeed, so the only way to fight it is say it's "Not Hip Hop." Who the fuck are you to say "Gangsta Rap" is not "Hip Hop"?
So, now N.W.A. isn't Hip Hop? KRS-One isn't Hip Hop? Some people are just dumb. Sugar Hill Gang made one of the first Hip Hop songs. Their song was full of lyrics that bragged about Money and Possessions. Slick Rick and Big Daddy Kane rocked tons of Jewels, but you guys consider them Hip Hop. L.L. Cool J is respected by EVERYONE and what did he do? Rap about Females. Let's be real... You guys don't know Hip Hop beyond 1998 and shit. Muthafuckas started listening when Eminem came out and felt they knew what "Real" Hip Hop was.
Tell me how ANY of these people aren't Hip Hop. I would like to hear it.
I agree 110%. I just named Devin, Face, Bun B and Wayne cause those are the only southern artists I really listen to right now. But I agree that they are all hip hop, to say they arent is absurd.
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That was one hundred percent on the money. This thread reminds me of what heads used to say over a decade ago "The only good hip hop out the west is heiro and pharcyde". Now yall are applying it to the south. It seems like things go in cycles.
Some of yall really need to study and understand the history of hip hop, and why hip hop was started in the first place, or you wouldn't be making these comments.
First off, hip hop is an expression of the frustrated and disenchanted black youth of the inner city, similar to Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rhtym and Blues and Rock and Roll which predated it. Not only did these early hip hop heads party (i e Planet Rock) with those party james in the parks of NYC, but they also spit street science (i e The Message), which isn't that far off of many gangsta raps the followed.
When you talk about 4 elements, which is somethign that "true hip hop head backpacker types" always mention, those are simply an arm of what the core spirit behind hip hop, which is basically a means for the young black male to express himself and to make something out of nothing. It goes way beyond the way you rhyme, the way you put a beat together or any of that shit. When yall start screaming "real hip hop", you're completely missing the point. Just because they don't rhyme the way you're used to hearing, just because they don't party like you do or make music the way you're used to hearing does not make it any less authentic as it is still what it is at its core, poor young disenfranchised black youth trying to make something out of nothing, the whole reason why Afrika Bambaataa created the Zulu Nation which gave birth to hip hop in the first place.
So when yall say things like "this southern rapper isn't hip hop", look at the basics. Look back to the roots of this shit. Yeah, you will always have dope and wack artists. Therer will always be cats getting over on gimmicks, but to judge the south by Mike Jones is like judging New York because of Ma$e or the west coast because of MC Hammer.
Now go and listen to track 14, So Tired on DJ Hitek's album with Bun B, Devin, and Pretty Ugly and try to tell me that isn't hip hop.
Pay attention kids... This shit is on point.
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yo lemme tell u summin reel quik... im from da souf n deez niggaz mad corny n not knowin where shitz comin from
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yo lemme tell u summin reel quik... im from da souf n deez niggaz mad corny n not knowin where shitz comin from
where you from dog?
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Tampa
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are you retarded or do you just type that way?
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nah man im str8
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cool
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All them cats from in that video don't have shit on Nas. Look at Nas's resume. Fuck all of them.
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Only on Dubcc...
Nas been talked about Money and shit. How is HE Hip Hop but T.I. isn't? Masta Ace been talked about Cars and shit, but he's Hip Hop and U.G.K. isn't? Tell Mos Def that dead prez ain't Hip Hop cuz they're from the South. If Wu-Tang's Hip Hop so is the Geto Boys.
You have gotta be kidding me. People can sit here and big up Kurupt, Daz, Goldie Loc, MC Eiht etc. etc. and you NEVER hear anyone say they're not Hip Hop. But a name like Bun B is brought up and you hear "Oh man, that's that South bullshit. That ain't Hip Hop." Idiot, Bun B will rap circles around your favorite Rapper.
Miss me with that bullshit "Only Scarface, Devin and Outkast are respectable." That's that politcally correct bullshit to not look like a Super Hater. That's the same shit ya'll said last year and the year before that. Plain and simple, you guys are upset to see music YOU don't like succeed, so the only way to fight it is say it's "Not Hip Hop." Who the fuck are you to say "Gangsta Rap" is not "Hip Hop"?
So, now N.W.A. isn't Hip Hop? KRS-One isn't Hip Hop? Some people are just dumb. Sugar Hill Gang made one of the first Hip Hop songs. Their song was full of lyrics that bragged about Money and Possessions. Slick Rick and Big Daddy Kane rocked tons of Jewels, but you guys consider them Hip Hop. L.L. Cool J is respected by EVERYONE and what did he do? Rap about Females. Let's be real... You guys don't know Hip Hop beyond 1998 and shit. Muthafuckas started listening when Eminem came out and felt they knew what "Real" Hip Hop was.
Tell me how ANY of these people aren't Hip Hop. I would like to hear it.
Keep spittin the truth, mayne. You always spit the truth.
This thread reminds me of what heads used to say over a decade ago "The only good hip hop out the west is heiro and pharcyde". Now yall are applying it to the south. It seems like things go in cycles.
Yep, I remember those days, too..."the West Coast is all untalented thugs, but Souls of Mischief is OK, Digital Underground is OK, Pharcyde's OK, Ice Cube was good before he went G-Funk, etc."
Really, nobody from the West needs to be shttin on the South, PERIOD. Cause 10 years ago, "we" were getting the same kind of hate the South gets today on the regular. I would've thought West Coast cats would remember the past and learn from it, but no...
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are you retarded or do you just type that way?
lmao
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Really, nobody from the West needs to be shttin on the South, PERIOD. Cause 10 years ago, "we" were getting the same kind of hate the South gets today on the regular. I would've thought West Coast cats would remember the past and learn from it, but no...
Atleast the West was putting out decent music, D4L and that will not be looked back on in 10 years and be enjoyed or called innovative and this is coming from someone who ha basically stopped listening to most west coast hip-hop.
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All them cats from in that video don't have shit on Nas. Look at Nas's resume. Fuck all of them.
thats what im sayin, they not even worth a post of me...
FREE POST ;D
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Wiggers, please stop trying to say the South ain't hip-hop just cause it's on top right now. You aren't going to win the respect of the struggling minority underclass cause you can diss Mike Jones or D4L (they're easy targets anyway), and in the end, us negroes will still kill you all when the revolution pops off.
lol, props.
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Atleast the West was putting out decent music, D4L and that will not be looked back on in 10 years and be enjoyed or called innovative and this is coming from someone who ha basically stopped listening to most west coast hip-hop.
According to you though. Sure you would say the West was putting out good music, you were a fan then. But for everyone person who thinks that the West was putting out hot shit, there's about 10 East Coast dudes that thought it was garbage. I'm sure most of us thought MC Eiht was dope. I'm sure almost all East Coast cats laughed at this dude. They probably all said the same exact thing you just said "10 years from now, he won't be enjoyed or called innovative."
See, you dudes keep naming the same people: D4L and Mike Jones. That's not the South. That's 2 artists out of 1,000's.
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the south dont even know what hip hop is what the fuck are the whinning about? They don't even do hip hop music why they mad? i dont understand. Are they thinking because their rapping on beats their shit is hip hop? hip hop is a way of life that aint got nothing to do with the south mentality sorry.
LOL. Shut the fuck up already, KRS One. In the 80's we didnt listen to "hip hop." We listened to RAP. All this "hip hop culture" shit is a bullshit marketing ploy created by KRS. You're not hip hop, you're doing hip hop.
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Just popped into my head. Who are these random fucks dissing Nas because he thinks hip hop is dead? That's his opinon and he never went out and said Atlanta/the South was the reason for it. Why did these rappers automatically assume this?
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Wiggers, please stop trying to say the South ain't hip-hop just cause it's on top right now. You aren't going to win the respect of the struggling minority underclass cause you can diss Mike Jones or D4L (they're easy targets anyway), and in the end, us negroes will still kill you all when the revolution pops off.
+1 shit had me rollin'.
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and in the end, us negroes will still kill you all when the revolution pops off.
And dont worry white people, because until then, we'll be busy killing our own.
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And dont worry white people, because until then, we'll be busy killing our own.
Don't worry; there's only a few billion of you to make up for that.
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And dont worry white people, because until then, we'll be busy killing our own.
Don't worry; there's only a few billion of you to make up for that.
Im not white.
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Im not white.
Then load up that chopper and slay you some devils, homie...Allah said we gotta kill them all.
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Atleast the West was putting out decent music, D4L and that will not be looked back on in 10 years and be enjoyed or called innovative and this is coming from someone who ha basically stopped listening to most west coast hip-hop.
According to you though. Sure you would say the West was putting out good music, you were a fan then. But for everyone person who thinks that the West was putting out hot shit, there's about 10 East Coast dudes that thought it was garbage. I'm sure most of us thought MC Eiht was dope. I'm sure almost all East Coast cats laughed at this dude. They probably all said the same exact thing you just said "10 years from now, he won't be enjoyed or called innovative."
See, you dudes keep naming the same people: D4L and Mike Jones. That's not the South. That's 2 artists out of 1,000's.
I'm not calling MC Eiht innovative either, there was atleast some dope stuff from the west coast just like there is some dope stuff from the south so it's not like I'm hating on all of the region like the people you're reffering too. This thread was about shitty groups like D4L and the Dutty Boys that's why they're mentioned. I love Hip-Hop from the South and I bet Nas does too.
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This is what is retarded to me. Ignorant ass people saying "The south ain't hip hop, The west ain't hip hop, New York ain't hip hop any more". The south has some of the worst so called "hip hop" out. But they've also had some of the dopest hip hop out as well - Outkast, Cee-lo, UGK, Geto Boys, etc. New York has put out some HORRIBLE shit excuse for hip hop in the last few years, and it has also managed to put out some really dope shit recently as well.
Anybody that tries to pigeonhole a sound just because it comes from a particular region is a fuckin idiot. Don't hold an entire part of the country responsible because of Laffy Taffy. Hold the motherfuckers that buy that shit and bump it responsible. Don't say the south is wack or isn't hip hop because they have some wack shit that is getting some exposure. Fuck D4L but not the south.
I'd say the south is THE most hated on region in hip hop right now, but it's also because the perception is that anything from the south gets exposure. And the funny part is that while other regions may hate on it, they directly bite that shit to try tap into that fanbase. It's ridiculous. Let whoever is reppin the south do their own style. Respect it and move on. Don't bite it, understand and do your own style of hip hop. Thats what is wack to me - when peeps from their own respective areas dump their own livestyle and try to jump on what they think is a southern style acceptable music and try to pimp that cuz thats whats hot at the moment. What kind of frontin ass shit is that? But that would mean there would have to be some originality, and fuck, originality is hip hop's worst nightmare today.
Hip Hop limits itself so much because it is on some retarded ass turf war on a national scale. If they could embrace each other and say "Yes, the south is doing their thing, East does theirs, West does theirs" it would be gravy. Let the south be themselves. Instead of bitching about it, come with your own unique style and PROVE that your style is superior or should at least be respected on the same level. Don't bite their style to try to pimp some record sales. shit is wack.
Oh yeah and whoever this 'DJ' (and I use the term loosely) that caught feelings over Nas' comments needs to check himself. I don't think Nas said anyone in particular, so if he's gettin defensive than Nas must have struck a chord with him. Sounds like he's got a guilty conscience.
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what is wack to me - when peeps from their own respective areas dump their own livestyle and try to jump on what they think is a southern style acceptable music and try to pimp that cuz thats whats hot at the moment.
*cough* Too Short and E-40 *cough*
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I'm not calling MC Eiht innovative either, there was atleast some dope stuff from the west coast just like there is some dope stuff from the south so it's not like I'm hating on all of the region like the people you're reffering too. This thread was about shitty groups like D4L and the Dutty Boys that's why they're mentioned. I love Hip-Hop from the South and I bet Nas does too.
This thread isn't about D4L or any of these groups. It's about "the South being mad at Nas." But, it swayed to a topic that found people using the stereotypical defenses to oppose the South: "So and so isn't Hip Hop." As if they're authorities and what is an isn't Hip Hop.
Like dude said earlier, all you dudes is doing is exactly what you WHINED ABOUT (and sometimes still do) when the East did it to the West Coast. Instead of looking at a region as a whole, you single out only the "popular" artists. Why not single out Chamillionaire? Why not single out T.I.?
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what is wack to me - when peeps from their own respective areas dump their own livestyle and try to jump on what they think is a southern style acceptable music and try to pimp that cuz thats whats hot at the moment.
*cough* Too Short and E-40 *cough*
Have you ever even listened to either of them before? They been fuckin with the South for hela moons before the South was "the thing." In fact they played a big part in putting the South on. We fuck with the South and they fuck with us. Its always been like that.
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all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
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This thread isn't about D4L or any of these groups. It's about "the South being mad at Nas." But, it swayed to a topic that found people using the stereotypical defenses to oppose the South: "So and so isn't Hip Hop." As if they're authorities and what is an isn't Hip Hop.
Like dude said earlier, all you dudes is doing is exactly what you WHINED ABOUT (and sometimes still do) when the East did it to the West Coast. Instead of looking at a region as a whole, you single out only the "popular" artists. Why not single out Chamillionaire? Why not single out T.I.?
It is about these groups because maybe if you actually read the thread and watched the video you'd know that it's about the Dutty Boys because they're in the god damn video.
And 4/5 people represent the whole of the south? I'm not even going to comment on anything else after that.
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south cant match the east or west when it comes to quality artists.
LMAO
Grace,Z-Ro,Trae,Dougie D,Fat Pat,Hawk,K-Rino,Gangsta Nip,T.I.,Andre 3000,Big Boi,Killer Mike,The D.O.C.,MAC,ESG,Scarface,Gipp,Trick Daddy,Lil Wayne etc etc aren´t good enough? i could name another 30 dope rappers from the south and the west coast definently can´t match that. especially since all of these WC artists are from the south originally(Daz,Snoop,Nate etc).
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all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
All valid points. I was watching that VH1 Hip Hop Honors the other night. They're celebrating artists that made numerous memorable contributions to hip hop, and I'm sitting there thinking "From artists that have broke in say the last 5 years, who could I see being honored in this fashion?"
Honestly, very few have much if any chance in my opinion. Most mainstream artists don't have a whole lot of potential to grow - their ceiling isn't very high, they're pretty disposable. They might make a couple of hot songs, but they're not really bringing anything new to the table.
And they can dis Nas all they want, but his music will still be bumped and regarded as some of the best hip hop ever - long after their fad club shit is played the fuck out.
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all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
All valid points. I was watching that VH1 Hip Hop Honors the other night. They're celebrating artists that made numerous memorable contributions to hip hop, and I'm sitting there thinking "From artists that have broke in say the last 5 years, who could I see being honored in this fashion?"
Honestly, very few have much if any chance in my opinion. Most mainstream artists don't have a whole lot of potential to grow - their ceiling isn't very high, they're pretty disposable. They might make a couple of hot songs, but they're not really bringing anything new to the table.
And they can dis Nas all they want, but his music will still be bumped and regarded as some of the best hip hop ever - long after their fad club shit is played the fuck out.
The thing is, it's not as if there wasn't a lot of club music with limited depth back then, either. I mean...whenever anyone talks about the 90s, it's always the same group of albums - "The Chronic", "Doggystyle", "Illmatic", "36 Chambers", "Ready To Die", "E 1999 Eternal", "All Eyez On Me", etc. Yeah, they're all classics that are still bumped and still talked about today. But they do not represent the quality of the majority of what came out in the 90s. Look at The Luniz - "I Got 5 On It" was pretty much THE hottest club joint of '95-'96, but does anyone except West Coast heads remember them now? Anyone remember when you couldn't go anywhere without hearing "Gangsta Lean" by D.R.S.? Volume-10 with "Pistol Grip Pump"? Those cats ain't remembered at all today. Shit, the G-Funk era as a whole was pretty much disposable - look at all the LBC groups like The Twinz and the Dove Shack and Foesum that came out in the mid-90s, had minor hits on the radio, and have since been forgotten. Who in the West that was at the top of the charts in the early- to mid-90s is remembered today except for Dre, Cube, Eazy, Snoop, and Pac? (and remember, this ain't West Coast fans I'm talking bout)
The one thing I will say is that classic albums are becoming harder and harder to find. Like Phonte has said many times, this generation hasn't had an "Illmatic" yet. But there are still plenty of memorable artists from the last 5 years who WILL be remembered. 50 Cent will be remembered, whether y'all like it or not (the rest of G-Unit and Game, on the other hand...). So will Kanye, Luda, Eminem (a lil more than 5 years, but still close), and even cats most of us hate like Nelly and BEP. The underground has produced plenty of dope, memorable artists as well, like Mos Def and Talib and now Little Brother. And then of course, there have been plenty of artists that were hot in the 90s and have remained hot (or in some cases gotten BETTER) today, like Jigga, Snoop, Outkast, Common, The Roots, etc.
So don't worry, the Hip-Hop Honors will have people to call on stage in another 10 years.
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It is about these groups because maybe if you actually read the thread and watched the video you'd know that it's about the Dutty Boys because they're in the god damn video.
And 4/5 people represent the whole of the south? I'm not even going to comment on anything else after that.
The video isn't only about the "Dutty" (supposed to be Durtty) Boys. It's not only about D4L. If YOU watched the video, smarty, you would know they mention D4L, Dem Franchise Boys, Jeezy, T.I., Outkast... So, like I said, you dudes are singling out just a select few. Step your game up.
Jacob: That may be true for "Older" Hip Hop heads. But, the kids that are listening to Hip Hop today will still be talking about shit like "King," "Thug Motivation," "College Dropout" etc. etc. You're looking at it from an older heads perspective. Just like I'm sure cats from the early 80s thought shit from the late 80s early 90s was wack. And so on. When coming from YOUR Golden Era of Hip Hop, everything else sounds wack.
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Just because they get name checked doesn't mean they agree with what's being said.
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Do you even know what's being said? How could they disagree with the truth?
In a nut shell, the video is about Nas saying Hip Hop Is Dead, while Atlanta artists are all on top. Which is true... T.I., Jeezy, Luda, D4L, DFB, JD, Youngbloodz, Lil Jon, etc. are all controlling the mainstream for the past year or so. How could T.I., Jeezy or even Outkast disagree with whats right in front of them? Is Atlanta NOT at the top of the game, Mainstream wise? Name another city with more hits at the CURRENT moment.
Seriously, are YOU even paying attention to what this threads about? You're trying to dictate to me what it's about, but I don't think you've watched this video close enough, nor do you know anything about Southern Hip Hop to even begin to scratch the surface of this topic.
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I'm pretty sure we had all agreed that the meaning of Nas' album title wasn't that Hip-Hop music was dead.
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I'm pretty sure we had all agreed that the meaning of Nas' album title wasn't that Hip-Hop music was dead.
Uh... These guys are taking it as Nas is talking about Hip Hop Music being dead. Seriously, what are you watching? LOL. First you're talking about the video, then you're talking about something else.
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I'm pretty sure we had all agreed that the meaning of Nas' album title wasn't that Hip-Hop music was dead.
Uh... These guys are taking it as Nas is talking about Hip Hop Music being dead. Seriously, what are you watching? LOL. First you're talking about the video, then you're talking about something else.
That's the problem. These rappers are mad, though they don't even understand what Nas is saying. Hardly worthy of the discussion, but it's been going for 3 pages already :D
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Its their interpretation. But its not like they don't have reason to think that way. With all this "On My NY Shit" going around, emcees and DJs aren't trying to give the South their props anymore as they're trying to bring it back to NY. Call it paranoia on the part of certain Southern rappers, but the "threat" is there.
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It is about these groups because maybe if you actually read the thread and watched the video you'd know that it's about the Dutty Boys because they're in the god damn video.
And 4/5 people represent the whole of the south? I'm not even going to comment on anything else after that.
Jacob: That may be true for "Older" Hip Hop heads. But, the kids that are listening to Hip Hop today will still be talking about shit like "King," "Thug Motivation," "College Dropout" etc. etc. You're looking at it from an older heads perspective. Just like I'm sure cats from the early 80s thought shit from the late 80s early 90s was wack. And so on. When coming from YOUR Golden Era of Hip Hop, everything else sounds wack.
outside of the chronic and doggystyle most of those classics were relatively unknown to me til i got deeper within hip hop
true kids will remember albums like king thug motivation . , just like old school heads remember whodini and west coast heads will remember coolio , BUT what i'm saying is what SIGNIFICANT album has come out in the last 5 years that a)has changed the game and b)has left people outside of it's normal fan base wihout a shadow of a doubt that it's a classic ?
stankonia?
MMLP?
College drop out?
blueprint?
Stillmatic?
all are pretty tight albums and are arguably classic, but as "BIG" and as popular as rap is right now there is sure more disposable art than significant art
check it
you have bands from the 60's STILL selling albums and t-shirts from their debut albums. and it's not like it's just one band that's doing this, you've literally got damn near a hundred OLD ass bands/groups/artists who were around before some of our parents were born doing this. As of right now do you see many artists being inclined enough to do this? and i'm not just talking about rap i'm talking about all music today...for some reason music has started to become more and more stale since around 98', and it's not because i out grew music at that time, (shit i was like 13) i just notice now, looking at my ipod ....the quality of the music from 98' down, tapers.i'm not blaming the south mmaybe it's political. with the government cutting funds for music education in public schools, this makes the children more and more ignorant to art. if people are becoming more and more musically ignorant , how do you expect them to MAKE quality music.
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can sum1 recommend to me some tight recent shit that has come out? the majority of the rap i dl nowadays pretty much sucks ass.
201-killer_mike-thats_life.mp3
202-killer_mike-dueces_wild.mp3
those are 2 tracks ive enjoyed listening to during the past week that are pretty cool.
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Nas has a point... hip-hop is dead... just because it's selling doesnt mean it's alive.... look at tupac.
8)
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can sum1 recommend to me some tight recent shit that has come out? the majority of the rap i dl nowadays pretty much sucks ass.
201-killer_mike-thats_life.mp3
202-killer_mike-dueces_wild.mp3
those are 2 tracks ive enjoyed listening to during the past week that are pretty cool.
killer mike is that dude
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all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
I STILL BUMP THE I WISH SONG ONCE IN A WHILE. .
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The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It’s why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn’t require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it’s easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn’t: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
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The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It's why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn't require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it's easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn't: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
LOL that sums it all up 8)
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bunch of ringtone rappers... hip hop died few years back....
example.: lil boozie "zoom" song is wack....wtf? We got non-intellectual rappers...rappin' about they hard...but in reality, they actin' sofa...
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The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It’s why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn’t require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it’s easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn’t: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
If you say that about Crunk, you'd have to say it about G-Funk, too.
One of you "real hip-hop" crackers answer me this: Why does G-Funk get a free pass for being all about partying and smoking endo, but Crunk, which is about sipping sizzurp and partying, doesn't?
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The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It’s why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn’t require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it’s easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn’t: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
If you say that about Crunk, you'd have to say it about G-Funk, too.
One of you "real hip-hop" crackers answer me this: Why does G-Funk get a free pass for being all about partying and smoking endo, but Crunk, which is about sipping sizzurp and partying, doesn't?
Because this is a west coast forum
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The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It’s why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn’t require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it’s easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn’t: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
STFU with that elitist bullshit. Have you heard Planet Rock? Wow that is one lyrical joint there, but it's regarded as a classic by everybody. What about Run DMC songs like Tricky? Another lyrical masterpiece, but it's regarded as a classic too, but you probably got into hip hop when Eminem came out so you don't know any better.
All crunk music is, or hyphy for that matter is party music, which has been a part of hip hop since Kool Herc. Study your history before commenting next time.
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And one other thing, before any of yall get on that elitist tip again, do you remember what people used to say about hip hop back in the 80's? For those of you too young, they claimed that it wasn't real music, that it didn't take any talent, it was a gimmick that would play out, etc. This was back when Erick B and Rakim and Public Enemy were in their prime, guys all of us regard as legends. Think about that for a minute.
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The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It’s why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn’t require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it’s easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn’t: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
1. Snoop and Daz don't make any music that require mental processing for the listener to absorb. So, why are they not the lowest common denominator?
And, I guess these lyrics evoke sentiment, cognitive process or reflection, cuz you have Kurupt in your sig, as well.
[Kurupt]
West coast shit nigga
Overdosage - imperial pistols ferocious
Fuck a bitch; don't tease bitch, strip tease bitch
Eat a bowl of these bitch, gobble the dick
Hoes forgot to eat a dick can shut the fuck up!
Gobble and swallow a nut up, shut up and get my cash
Backhanded, pimpslapped backwards and left stranded
Just pop ya collar, pimp convention hoes for a dollar
Six-Deuce in a plush, six-deuce impala
Pimpin hoes from Texas to Guatemala
Bitch niggaz paid for hoes, just to lay wit hoes
Relax one night, and paid to stay wit hoes
Captain Save'Em all day (bitch) well save this dick
Bitch nigga, you more of a bitch than a bitch
You ain't into hittin pussy, or hittin the switch
You into hittin bitches off of the grip, you punk bitch
You guys are just haters that's all. You know nothing about Hip Hop, which is why you say the ignorant things you do.
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And one other thing, before any of yall get on that elitist tip again, do you remember what people used to say about hip hop back in the 80's? For those of you too young, they claimed that it wasn't real music, that it didn't take any talent, it was a gimmick that would play out, etc. This was back when Erick B and Rakim and Public Enemy were in their prime, guys all of us regard as legends. Think about that for a minute.
Haha...seriously, how often did your folks say that to you growing up? I used to bump PE and X-Clan and moms would trip on me cause she didn't understand what they were saying. I listened to Ice-T, N.W.A., and Above The Law and she just gave me shit about the profanity and threatened to take the tapes away. Both of them were always complaining about how it wasn't music, how it wouldn't last and it was just a fad like disco...and this was 15 years ago now. And of course they would always try and compare Ice Cube to James Brown and talk about how back in their day, people could sing, and that rap wasn't anything but talking to a beat.
It's really disturbing to me to see that these folks on DubCC who are obviously younger than us (most of them barely into their 20s, at most) are more closed-minded and conservative in their musical tastes than we are. You're not supposed to become that way until you're old and bitter that things aren't the same way they were back in your day. Yet these young'uns are glorifying an era they never lived in, pretending it was so much better than it was, all because it makes them feel so much more intelligent than they are. It's like you, me, and SGV all agree...they're just ignorant, so they say retarded bullshit.
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The sad thing is, I'm not much older than most of these guys who are going on and on about the South being bullshit. I'm 22. But, I started listening to Hip Hop just as the West Coast was emerging. I was listening to Hip Hop when the South made it known they were more than just 2 Live Crew and Geto Boys. That's when we saw the (commercial) emergence of groups like UGK, 8-Ball & MJG, Outkast and Goodie Mob. I was able to see the struggle they went through to even scratch the surface of the national fan base. Then, a few years later, I was able to have seen the first true power house label in the South emerge, No Limit (Rap-A-Lot was and still is the staple of all Southern labels, but it wasn't as huge, commercially as No Limit). So, for someone to bash the South is laughable to me. Because they struggled and strived to be where they're at right now. The South never has relied on fans outside of the Southern region to support them. If they did, great. If they didn't, no big deal.
At the same talking, I was around to see the East Coast hate on the West, at their (The West) prime. I remember always thinking, "Damn, why can't they just let the West be successful?" Because, like you idiots here, they were ignorant and couldn't stand seeing music they didn't like blow up. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't make the music wack, it just means it's not your taste. Fine. You can call it wack, sure, but don't sit here and say "so and so isn't Hip Hop because..." yet, support an artist that you like makes a VERY SIMILAR type of music. That's what we call being a hater.
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People take hip-hop too seriously. It's party music you backpackers. Not everything has to be thought provoking.
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People take hip-hop too seriously. It's party music you backpackers. Not everything has to be thought provoking.
Some of these morons don't even listen to shit that's thought provoking. To have the nerve to bad mouth the South for not being "intellectual" while they support Snoop, Daz and Kurupt. LMAO. Fuckin' dumbasses.
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People take hip-hop too seriously. It's party music you backpackers. Not everything has to be thought provoking.
Some of these morons don't even listen to shit that's thought provoking. To have the nerve to bad mouth the South for not being "intellectual" while they support Snoop, Daz and Kurupt. LMAO. Fuckin' dumbasses.
Seriously, man. They can't even make up their minds.
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Yeah...
If anything, Party Music is more Hip Hop than anything thought provoking. Why? Because Hip Hop got it's start in the Clubs (alongside the Parks.) It was always feel good music. So, to say Crunk music isn't Hip Hop because it doesn't "evoke sentiment, cognitive process or reflection," then you're dissing the whole foundation of Hip Hop. And that, my idiotic friends, is NOT Hip Hop. Know the roots if you're trying to preserve something.
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All right, well to get back to the discussion then why don’t you all show me where I said “Crunk” music isn’t hop-hop music? I said it was easy listening hip-hop; which it is. You (SGV), by your own admission said “Crunk” music had its place primarily in the clubs and parties correct? And the reason it’s good party music is it requires little to no cognitive processing to absorb, agreed? Because I’m sure I don’t need to tell you if it was complex and thought provoking it wouldn’t be very good party music. So that being the case I would think an intelligent person would agree the characterization of “Crunk” music as:
1) Overly simplified consistent instrumentation (easy to dance to)
2) Lyrical content containing little to no sentiment evoking or mental stimulation (reducing need to “actively” listen... so you can keep dancing)
Thus renders it eligible for consideration as a lower common denominator form of preformed music similar to say techno or elevator music. Now, that might sound harsh and insulting and I’m not trying to discredit artists in their respective genre’s who make those types of music (which the world NEEDS btw), I’m simply just stating the obvious which is “Crunk” music is easy to listen to for a reason. That doesn’t make it bad it just is what it is.
Now, to take that a step further and say because it’s easy listening and doesn’t take many chances creatively other sub/past genres deserve more recognition than others… honestly I would agree with that. Call me wrong or stupid or whatever but the fact is history wont be as kind to “Crunk” music as it was to say g-funk, and it isn’t because of me.
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So will you say G Funk is music for the intelligent? You like it. And sure Crunk is primarily music for the clubs but at the same talking it has been around for over 10 years. Groups like 36 Mafia have been making their own form of Crunk for years. So it is safe to say you are wrong there. While G Funk is done and has been for years, Crunk is nowhere near to being finished.
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And sure Crunk is primarily music for the clubs but at the same talking it has been around for over 10 years. Groups like 36 Mafia have been making their own form of Crunk for years. While G Funk is done and has been for years, Crunk is nowhere near to being finished
Yeah and easy listening, techno, elevator music and boy bands have been around even longer what's your point.
So will you say G Funk is music for the intelligent? You like it.
As far as g-funk being intelligent, no I wouldn’t go that far. Sentiment evoking? Absolutely. Complex and creative? With out question.
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Can you really claim G-Funk is THAT creative when they do more sampling than Crunk.
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1. Snoop and Daz don't make any music that require mental processing for the listener to absorb. So, why are they not the lowest common denominator?
And, I guess these lyrics evoke sentiment, cognitive process or reflection, cuz you have Kurupt in your sig, as well.
[Kurupt]
West coast shit nigga
Overdosage - imperial pistols ferocious
Fuck a bitch; don't tease bitch, strip tease bitch
Eat a bowl of these bitch, gobble the dick
Hoes forgot to eat a dick can shut the fuck up!
Gobble and swallow a nut up, shut up and get my cash
Backhanded, pimpslapped backwards and left stranded
Just pop ya collar, pimp convention hoes for a dollar
Six-Deuce in a plush, six-deuce impala
Pimpin hoes from Texas to Guatemala
Bitch niggaz paid for hoes, just to lay wit hoes
Relax one night, and paid to stay wit hoes
Captain Save'Em all day (bitch) well save this dick
Bitch nigga, you more of a bitch than a bitch
You ain't into hittin pussy, or hittin the switch
You into hittin bitches off of the grip, you punk bitch
You guys are just haters that's all. You know nothing about Hip Hop, which is why you say the ignorant things you do.
… and those lyrics? C’mon man, what kind of dog shit is that? That’s a facile comparison and you know it. You want to quote g-funk by quoting Kurupt over half a decade later? Nice try, lets be fare and look at a Kurupt verse during g-funk and you tell me (and everyone here) it isn’t 1) complex, 2) creative and 3) sparks cognitive processing.
Verse one: Kurupt, “New York, New York”
It’s the incredible, the lyrical
You can’t be me like nietzsche, to see me is gonna take a miracle
I’m driving motherfuckers hysterical, with a
Touch of this twister, stylistic mixture
What I create pulsates, there is no escape
Annihilate your mental mindstate
Dre labels my vocabulary abusive
I packs more knowledge than confuscius, I’m deadly
Induce you like medusa, with thoughts to shed
And niggaz throughout this hemisphere, far and near
Prepare, catch me chillin like the winter
Up against the number one contender, as I enter
Cause I gets heated like friction
Motherfuck your whole jurisdiction, react this fact not fiction
Telepathic addiction, to this homicidal recital
Dangerous and vital to all my rivals
Suicidal, brainwaves conveys
To the average motherfuckers minds these days
I’m all ready to put work in
Take ten steps and turn to shoot the first nigga smirkin
Give a fuck, what’s your name, what you claim
Or why you came, motherfucker don’t explain
Simply, don’t tempt me, cause I’m simply
Layin hoes life’s empty, the invincible mc
Now lets look at a Lil Jon verse from his “Kings of Crunk” album, his highest selling and most well know.
Verse two: Lil Jon, “Bitches”
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
We beat you like a bitch
Kick your ass like a bitch
We take your fuckin shit
And leave you stuck like a bitch
You wearin panties like a bitch
Yo pussy like a bitch
You sound like a bitch
You talkin like a bitch
You cryin like a bitch
You whinin like a bitch
I hate you fuckin bitch
We’ll kill you bitch
.... Do I really need to say anything?
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^nice nugs mate.
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FUCK SOUTH RAPPERS. DAT SHIT IS THE REASON HIPHOP IS DEAD. SOUTH RAPP SUCKS
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1. Snoop and Daz don't make any music that require mental processing for the listener to absorb. So, why are they not the lowest common denominator?
And, I guess these lyrics evoke sentiment, cognitive process or reflection, cuz you have Kurupt in your sig, as well.
[Kurupt]
West coast shit nigga
Overdosage - imperial pistols ferocious
Fuck a bitch; don't tease bitch, strip tease bitch
Eat a bowl of these bitch, gobble the dick
Hoes forgot to eat a dick can shut the fuck up!
Gobble and swallow a nut up, shut up and get my cash
Backhanded, pimpslapped backwards and left stranded
Just pop ya collar, pimp convention hoes for a dollar
Six-Deuce in a plush, six-deuce impala
Pimpin hoes from Texas to Guatemala
Bitch niggaz paid for hoes, just to lay wit hoes
Relax one night, and paid to stay wit hoes
Captain Save'Em all day (bitch) well save this dick
Bitch nigga, you more of a bitch than a bitch
You ain't into hittin pussy, or hittin the switch
You into hittin bitches off of the grip, you punk bitch
You guys are just haters that's all. You know nothing about Hip Hop, which is why you say the ignorant things you do.
… and those lyrics? C’mon man, what kind of dog shit is that? That’s a facile comparison and you know it. You want to quote g-funk by quoting Kurupt over half a decade later? Nice try, lets be fare and look at a Kurupt verse during g-funk and you tell me (and everyone here) it isn’t 1) complex, 2) creative and 3) sparks cognitive processing.
Verse one: Kurupt, “New York, New York”
It’s the incredible, the lyrical
You can’t be me like nietzsche, to see me is gonna take a miracle
I’m driving motherfuckers hysterical, with a
Touch of this twister, stylistic mixture
What I create pulsates, there is no escape
Annihilate your mental mindstate
Dre labels my vocabulary abusive
I packs more knowledge than confuscius, I’m deadly
Induce you like medusa, with thoughts to shed
And niggaz throughout this hemisphere, far and near
Prepare, catch me chillin like the winter
Up against the number one contender, as I enter
Cause I gets heated like friction
Motherfuck your whole jurisdiction, react this fact not fiction
Telepathic addiction, to this homicidal recital
Dangerous and vital to all my rivals
Suicidal, brainwaves conveys
To the average motherfuckers minds these days
I’m all ready to put work in
Take ten steps and turn to shoot the first nigga smirkin
Give a fuck, what’s your name, what you claim
Or why you came, motherfucker don’t explain
Simply, don’t tempt me, cause I’m simply
Layin hoes life’s empty, the invincible mc
Now lets look at a Lil Jon verse from his “Kings of Crunk” album, his highest selling and most well know.
Verse two: Lil Jon, “Bitches”
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
We beat you like a bitch
Kick your ass like a bitch
We take your fuckin shit
And leave you stuck like a bitch
You wearin panties like a bitch
Yo pussy like a bitch
You sound like a bitch
You talkin like a bitch
You cryin like a bitch
You whinin like a bitch
I hate you fuckin bitch
We’ll kill you bitch
.... Do I really need to say anything?
PROPS! AHAHAHAH LMAO>>>> :laugh: :laugh: :D
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Now lets look at a Lil Jon verse from his “Kings of Crunk” album, his highest selling and most well know.
Verse two: Lil Jon, “Bitches”
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
We beat you like a bitch
Kick your ass like a bitch
We take your fuckin shit
And leave you stuck like a bitch
You wearin panties like a bitch
Yo pussy like a bitch
You sound like a bitch
You talkin like a bitch
You cryin like a bitch
You whinin like a bitch
I hate you fuckin bitch
We’ll kill you bitch
.... Do I really need to say anything?
Yeah. You need to explain why it is that (1.) You chose the single verse that is pretty much Kurupt's claim to fame (read: to make him look better), and (2.) Why you chose what is basically a refrain by a man who obviously ain't rapping as your counterpoint (read: to make crunk as a whole look worse).
Lil Jon has by his own admission said he's not a rapper...he's basically just a hypeman for the people on his tracks. A more valid comparison would be to take lyrics from Three-6 Mafia, Lil Scrappy, 8Ball & MJG, or any actual Southern RAPPERS who do rap over crunk beats. Shit, we all know Too $hort and E-40 been getting down with Lil Jon since the beginning - what are you gonna argue about them?
Can you really claim G-Funk is THAT creative when they do more sampling than Crunk.
I know, seriously...the typical G-Funk record in the mid-90s was some hack ripping off the beat from a Parliament/Funkadelic or Zapp record and then throwing on layers of the cheapest, whiniest synthesizers they could find. I really wanna know why that takes more creativity than the average Crunk record.
Call me wrong or stupid or whatever but the fact is history wont be as kind to “Crunk” music as it was to say g-funk, and it isn’t because of me.
History has been kind to G-Funk? If that's true, then why is it that the majority of G-Funk rappers have long since been forgotten by everyone except West Coast heads? Who outside of Dre, Snoop, Cube, Eazy, and Pac is still remembered today? Daz? Kurupt? Warren G? The Twinz? The Dove Shack? RBX? Above The Law? Kokane? All of them came out in the mid-90s, had minor hits and (in the case of the first couple) Platinum records, and now nobody gives a shit about them anymore and they're all surviving by taking whatever scraps of fame Snoop (or someone else who's still on top) feeds them.
Yes, you are stupid. You should not be contradicting the Wise GODs of DubCC.
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Can you really claim G-Funk is THAT creative when they do more sampling than Crunk.
West Coast Forum LOL! ???
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Eh, I can’t argue with you guys anymore. Bottom line, you are being delusional and overly emotional. I can’t have a debate with people who stray off topic, who evade direct questions and create their own truths. We’re all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. You guy's just aren’t in touch with reality, saying absolutely absurd things like “history hasn’t been kind to g-funk” and “g-funk’s not creative at all.” That’s completely asinine and retarded. Historically, factually and commonly understood to be inaccurate.
So keep living in fantasy land guys if it makes you feel better about bumping that Lil Jon CD, screaming the monosyllabic catch phrases and sipping Crunk Juice… don’t worry about a thing, the rest of the world takes you just as seriously as you do.
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^^^u get a prop for having balls to defend shit like that especially someone like SGV....
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Eh, I can’t argue with you guys anymore. Bottom line, you are being delusional and overly emotional. I can’t have a debate with people who stray off topic, who evade direct questions and create their own truths. We’re all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. You guy's just aren’t in touch with reality, saying absolutely absurd things like “history hasn’t been kind to g-funk” and “g-funk’s not creative at all.” That’s completely asinine and retarded. Historically, factually and commonly understood to be inaccurate.
So keep living in fantasy land guys if it makes you feel better about bumping that Lil Jon CD, screaming the monosyllabic catch phrases and sipping Crunk Juice… don’t worry about a thing, the rest of the world takes you just as seriously as you do.
LOL, you think I bump Lil Jon? Unless he produces a beat for a Southern rapper I like (i.e. UGK, T.I., Luda, whoever), I don't really listen to his shit. He's not even a rapper, anyway...his albums are just all his beats and a whole bunch of guest appearances on every track, when I'd rather just listen to those particular rappers.
I also never said G-Funk isn't creative; what I'm doing is explaining why your complaints about Crunk make no sense. It simply don't make sense to argue G-Funk is "more" creative than Crunk or that it is any more intelligent. It's the same type of music, mayne - it's all partying and shit. That's not an opinion - that is a FACT; the vast majority of G-Funk rappers ain't on Ras Kass or Hiero-type shit. You are a big fucking hypocrite and a dipshit hater if you're bigging up G-Funk while criticizing Crunk, because neither deserves more criticism than the other. Crunk is the G-Funk of today and G-Funk was the Crunk of the mid-90s.
And how is saying "history has not been kind to G-Funk" absurd? Now look who's not answering MY questions, wigger...how is that not the truth? Is it not true that pretty much all of the G-Funk rappers who were popular in the 90s have basically been forgotten today except for a few? There was a time (which I remember well) when just about every other song played on urban stations was a G-Funk record, and yet most of those records I remember from those days are most definitely NOT remembered.
But yes, you should definitely stop arguing. Me, SGV, and Jome are NOT to be fucked with. We slaughter wiggers and dump them in ditches.
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I've lost my damn mind in a club to some crunk shit. But never in a million years could I ever buy a crunk album. I think I'd blow my brains out after 2 songs. Like shit would get hella annoying real quick. But if I'm fucked up in a club and "I don't give a fuck" comes on, I'm going nuts.
But comparing Crunk to G-Funk is not a valid comparison. G-Funk was much more versatile - it had shit that could bump in a club, but it also had some really deep, thought provoking moments that you could really zone out on as well. Crunk serves one purpose - to get asses shaking in a club. G-Funk could do that, but it could do a lot more. And yes, G-Funk was sampling P-Funk and Zapp but it definitely wasn't pigeonholed to those samples. There were TONS of reggae and jazz influences from the getty up. And De La & EPMD were flipping those same funk samples quite frequently as well.
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We slaughter wiggers and dump them in ditches.
This is what I’m talking about, you’re being too emotional. If I wanted to have a discussion with someone that kept getting overwhelmed and couldn’t deal with facts and rational I’d talk to my chick. This shit really isn’t worth my time I’ve already said everything there is to say and approached you with respect, going point for point. In the end everyone already agrees with me and forcing you to confront reality is proving to be harder that if I was talking to Hellen Keller. But hey, I got 10 min before I run to the store so what the hell right?
And how is saying "history has not been kind to G-Funk" absurd? Now look who's not answering MY questions, wigger...how is that not the truth? Is it not true that pretty much all of the G-Funk rappers who were popular in the 90s have basically been forgotten today except for a few?
Ok, I’m clearly unable to get through to you, probably because I don’t speak retard so what I’m going to do is ask you the questions so that you can come up with the answers and then you won’t have to argue with me anymore, instead you can carry this on with yourself.
Now, I don’t like answering questions with a question but for the sake of time (and your ebbing faculties) why don’t you give me the names of the top 5 g-funk artists from 91-96.
1)
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3)
4)
5)
You fill in the blanks, (when your done look below)
Now I don’t even need to know what you wrote (magic!) because you must have mentioned Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube and either Warren G and DJ Quik or Eazy E or maybe even the Dogg Pound. Either way of the 5 biggest stars from that era, an era that is keep in mind over a decade (that’s ten years) old, at least 3 of those names are not only still HUGE stars but one of them practically runs the rap game, more so than he did back in his prime (I think we know who I referring to).
And Snoop has never fallen short of a platinum plaque since his g-funk debut As of now 2006 he’s essentially keeping the entire west coast relevant. As for Cube, well he is without a doubt the biggest rapper/actor in history, and even when he comes back to rap after a 5 year hiatus he can still sell half a million. DJ Quik is to this day considered one of the best producers in the game still being asked to produce records for the best and Eazy E is dead. As for Daz, Kurupt and Warren
G they don’t have the same level of success but they are by no means washed up or broke. Going gold or selling +100,000 copies is far from doing bad, in fact it’s better than the majority of rap artists do now.
So if you don’t call that type of success “history being kind to g-funk artists” you don’t know the meaning of the word.
There was a time (which I remember well) when just about every other song played on urban stations was a G-Funk record, and yet most of those records I remember from those days are most definitely NOT remembered.
I don’t know what type of g-funk music they played on the radio in the asylum you grew up in, but for the rest of us living on the outside of institutions the biggest hits came from Dre’s “Chronic”, Snoop’s “Doggystyle”, Cube’s “Predator” and “Lethal Injection” and probably Warren G’s “Regulate… G funk Era.” Even the influenced records from the East coast like “Big Poppa” now, are you really trying to tell me and everyone else reading this thread that not only 1) those records aren’t still played on the radio today and 2) those records aren’t remembered?
I think its time to up the dosage my friend, clearly your medicine levels are due for an adjustment.
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But comparing Crunk to G-Funk is not a valid comparison. G-Funk was much more versatile - it had shit that could bump in a club, but it also had some really deep, thought provoking moments that you could really zone out on as well. Crunk serves one purpose - to get asses shaking in a club. G-Funk could do that, but it could do a lot more. And yes, G-Funk was sampling P-Funk and Zapp but it definitely wasn't pigeonholed to those samples. There were TONS of reggae and jazz influences from the getty up.
Bullshit. The average G-Funk record rarely had anything other than the same shit about smoking endo, partying, lowriders, and fucking. The fact that Cube and Pac tried the G-Funk style does not count. Please tell me what's so thought-provoking about a record like "This Is The Shack" or Foesum's "Perfection"...records like those are the typical G-Funk album of the 90s. Shit, while I'm at it, are there really any thought-provoking moments on "Doggystyle" aside from maybe "Murder Was The Case"?
G-Funk was most definitely influenced primarily by the P-Funk era. Do you really think it's just a coincidence that the same samples pop up so frequently in those records (namely, "Atomic Dog" and "More Bounce To The Ounce")? Dre's work may have had plenty of musical depth and sonic detail, but the vast majority of his imitators just took the same samples and threw on the synthesizers and backing vocals.
And De La & EPMD were flipping those same funk samples quite frequently as well.
Not the same thing. Funk samples alone are not G-Funk.
This is what I’m talking about, you’re being too emotional.
How can I not be when I'm dealing with some dipshit who obviously isn't hearing what I'm saying? You're reading, but you ain't getting the picture.
In the end everyone already agrees with me
No, no, no, son, you got it twisted. The people that agree with you are the people like yourself...a bunch of crackers who are 10 years younger than me (if not more), started listening to hip-hop MAYBE around the DMX/Eminem era, and want so badly to fit in with the culture that they have to diss "real hip-hop" cause it's not what the streets says is dope. And then you fags glorify an era that you never lived through, never experienced for yourself...instead you steal your opinions from a KRS-One record and then act like you know something.
But in the end, you are still white, elitist, ignorant, and you weren't even listening to hip-hop 10 years ago like me and Jome were. WE are the true hip-hop heads, not you.
If I wanted to have a discussion with someone that kept getting overwhelmed and couldn’t deal with facts and rational I’d talk to my chick.
Stop lying. You don't have a chick.
Nice cheap attempt to discredit me by comparing me to a bitch, but it doesn't work.
Ok, I’m clearly unable to get through to you, probably because I don’t speak retard
No, you're just too thick-skulled to comprehend the depth and intelligence of my very sensible points that all the TRUE hip-hop heads agree with (which you're not).
Now I don’t even need to know what you wrote (magic!) because you must have mentioned Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube and either Warren G and DJ Quik or Eazy E or maybe even the Dogg Pound. Either way of the 5 biggest stars from that era, an era that is keep in mind over a decade (that’s ten years) old, at least 3 of those names are not only still HUGE stars but one of them practically runs the rap game, more so than he did back in his prime (I think we know who I referring to).
And Snoop has never fallen short of a platinum plaque since his g-funk debut As of now 2006 he’s essentially keeping the entire west coast relevant. As for Cube, well he is without a doubt the biggest rapper/actor in history, and even when he comes back to rap after a 5 year hiatus he can still sell half a million. DJ Quik is to this day considered one of the best producers in the game still being asked to produce records for the best and Eazy E is dead. As for Daz, Kurupt and Warren
G they don’t have the same level of success but they are by no means washed up or broke. Going gold or selling +100,000 copies is far from doing bad, in fact it’s better than the majority of rap artists do now.
So if you don’t call that type of success “history being kind to g-funk artists” you don’t know the meaning of the word.
Did you not already read my other post? Calling me a "retard"...you're too full of yourself to even fucking read what I said.
I already named a bunch of G-Funk artists who WERE popular in the 90s, and I have said that ONLY Snoop, Dre, Eazy, Pac, and Cube are still popular and still well-known today. That's only 5 rappers in total, out of DOZENS that came out in the 90s. All the rest have LONG since slipped out of the conscience of everyone except West Coast fans. Warren G and Tha Dogg Pound are the perfect examples...multi-Platinum 10 years ago, and today they can't even sell 100K even in the few instances where they have gotten new record deals.
Of course the G-Funk era produced classics that are still remembered today; I never said otherwise (again, fucking read next time). I have, however, pointed out that the majority of G-Funk artists from the 90s are long since forgotten. The G-Funk era was just like the Crunk era; there were zillions of cats coming out on majors and putting out records, some getting hits and Platinum plaques, some not. Except for THOSE FIVE I mentioned, all of them have been forgotten and are now struggling in the underground.
I don’t know what type of g-funk music they played on the radio in the asylum you grew up in, but for the rest of us living on the outside of institutions the biggest hits came from Dre’s “Chronic”, Snoop’s “Doggystyle”, Cube’s “Predator” and “Lethal Injection” and probably Warren G’s “Regulate… G funk Era.” Even the influenced records from the East coast like “Big Poppa” now, are you really trying to tell me and everyone else reading this thread that not only 1) those records aren’t still played on the radio today and 2) those records aren’t remembered?
THOSE ARE NOT THE RECORDS I AM TALKING ABOUT YOU DUMB FUCK.
Try "Summertime In The LBC"...who remembers that one these days? "All Day Everyday"? "VSOP"? "Gangsta Lean"? All were minor hits back in their day, now forgotten. THAT is what I mean. For every classic like "Gin And Juice", there were forgettable records like the ones I've mentioned above. Records like those were the ones that were all over the airwaves in the mid-90s and which aren't remembered today.
I think its time to up the dosage my friend, clearly your medicine levels are due for an adjustment.
How about you apologize to me for acting like a fucking know-it-all when I just ethered you instead? Go argue with your imaginary bitch; I'm sure she'll be easier for you to handle.
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It's ok Ellsworth, just calm down and give me your doctors number I'll call him for you. We'll get through this ok? I promise everything is going to be all right.
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It's ok Ellsworth, just calm down and give me your doctors number I'll call him for you. We'll get through this ok? I promise everything is going to be all right.
LOL, why are you telling me I need a doctor? I'm not the one who argues with my imaginary girlfriend. Schizophrenic-ass white boy.
Oh, yeah and you just got ethered. Prepare for further blows from SGV.
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It's ok Ellsworth, just calm down and give me your doctors number I'll call him for you. We'll get through this ok? I promise everything is going to be all right.
LOL, why are you telling me I need a doctor? I'm not the one who argues with my imaginary girlfriend. Schizophrenic-ass white boy.
Oh, yeah and you just got ethered. Prepare for further blows from SGV.
Uh huh, right right. Yes I’ll go back to my imaginary girlfriend (of whom I live with) and you can go back to “eathering” people on the internet. Spread that knowledge Ellsworth I think people are starting to listen to you! (BLAH HAHAH)
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… and those lyrics? C’mon man, what kind of dog shit is that? That’s a facile comparison and you know it. You want to quote g-funk by quoting Kurupt over half a decade later? Nice try, lets be fare and look at a Kurupt verse during g-funk and you tell me (and everyone here) it isn’t 1) complex, 2) creative and 3) sparks cognitive processing.
Verse one: Kurupt, “New York, New York”
It’s the incredible, the lyrical
You can’t be me like nietzsche, to see me is gonna take a miracle
I’m driving motherfuckers hysterical, with a
Touch of this twister, stylistic mixture
What I create pulsates, there is no escape
Annihilate your mental mindstate
Dre labels my vocabulary abusive
I packs more knowledge than confuscius, I’m deadly
Induce you like medusa, with thoughts to shed
And niggaz throughout this hemisphere, far and near
Prepare, catch me chillin like the winter
Up against the number one contender, as I enter
Cause I gets heated like friction
Motherfuck your whole jurisdiction, react this fact not fiction
Telepathic addiction, to this homicidal recital
Dangerous and vital to all my rivals
Suicidal, brainwaves conveys
To the average motherfuckers minds these days
I’m all ready to put work in
Take ten steps and turn to shoot the first nigga smirkin
Give a fuck, what’s your name, what you claim
Or why you came, motherfucker don’t explain
Simply, don’t tempt me, cause I’m simply
Layin hoes life’s empty, the invincible mc
Now lets look at a Lil Jon verse from his “Kings of Crunk” album, his highest selling and most well know.
Verse two: Lil Jon, “Bitches”
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
You be actin like a bitch
So we treat you like a bitch
We beat you like a bitch
Kick your ass like a bitch
We take your fuckin shit
And leave you stuck like a bitch
You wearin panties like a bitch
Yo pussy like a bitch
You sound like a bitch
You talkin like a bitch
You cryin like a bitch
You whinin like a bitch
I hate you fuckin bitch
We’ll kill you bitch
.... Do I really need to say anything?
To use your own logic: … and those lyrics? C’mon man, what kind of dog shit is that? That’s a facile comparison and you know it. You want to quote Crunk by quoting Lil Jon over half a decade later? Nice try, lets be "fare" and look at a verse by an actual rapper during Crunk's hey-day and you tell me (and everyone here) it isn’t 1) complex, 2) creative and 3) sparks cognitive processing.
(Lord Infamous)
Totin' the dead body over my shoulder
And sure to break out with my shovel
Or let evil look forward
And I start to dig up and toss in the body
And give up more money as bank of the sore
Three seperate bodies hacked up with a axe
And I think a big sack
Been chewed up by rats
I'm just writing these poems
They bring to renown cause a triple six
Night to rescore
Split rists with nee-dles in my fists
And amidst', thy clicks, of tricks
No I'm not a Christian
But I'm mentally ill and I don't
Understand all the reasons
Well I think it's killin' season
And neither does my schitzophrenic friends
So therefore nigga due to my mental
Defocalty
Scarecrow is only entertained
By helping enemies bleed
Let all the bodies soak in all the blood
Let's go smoke with that chick with no pity
I bloody cut chop up they shell goes in
20 gauge
Finally thinkin' like I was fright-nit-ting
I'm havin'no thoughts
Of the lives I've done lost
When I'm blazin' that stupid gauge fire
Cause I'm havin' a halloween slaughter
It turned my gun focal
Just thank Micheal Myers
No mutilation's paralyzations
Got no patience when I'm chasin'
Down a patient
Tryin' to thwart assassination
Now, that's not your typical "Get rowdy in the Club" Crunk song that you know today. That was and still is what Crunk is... It's the South's Gangsta music. And, just like G-Funk made bullshit Club records ("Xxplosive"), it also made songs like that you see above. Crunk and G-Funk are not far off from each other, but a hater will make it seem that way.
Doggystyle, Dogg Food, The Chronic, etc. had NOTHING intellectual on them. DO NOT front. The songs were NOT complex. Just becuase Kurupt put "big" words together, doesn't make it complex. What you did was find the most notable Kurupt verse, that you knew people would agree with, and posted it. You know as well as anyone that G-Funk was and still nothing but a bunch of street dudes over sampled 70s and 80s Funk & R&B records. Disagree? Let's look at: South Central Cartel, Daz, Kill Kill, Warren G, MC Eiht, The Twinz... These guys did NOT make complex music, yet they're some of the favorites among G-Funk fans. So yeah... You're basically bad mouthing the same thing you're supporting. The only difference is that it's packaged as Southern music, which you obviously do not like.
Eh, I can’t argue with you guys anymore. Bottom line, you are being delusional and overly emotional. I can’t have a debate with people who stray off topic, who evade direct questions and create their own truths. We’re all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. You guy's just aren’t in touch with reality, saying absolutely absurd things like “history hasn’t been kind to g-funk” and “g-funk’s not creative at all.” That’s completely asinine and retarded. Historically, factually and commonly understood to be inaccurate.
So keep living in fantasy land guys if it makes you feel better about bumping that Lil Jon CD, screaming the monosyllabic catch phrases and sipping Crunk Juice… don’t worry about a thing, the rest of the world takes you just as seriously as you do.
Delusional? You're avoiding the facts. Nobody strayed off topic. Your support of G-Funk was perfectly relateable to the debate, as they're nearly the same essence. Let's be real, since we're being "delusional." How many G-Funk artists are relevent today? Snoop? Dre? Yeah... That's it. Kurupt, Daz etc. they're not relevent in the grand scheme of things. So, if history had been kind to G-Funk, wouldn't they be relevent today? What was so creative about G-Funk that people like Erick Sermon didn't do before them? Nothing. If it had been done before, it wasn't creative. So, historically, factually and commonly understood: You're facts are inaccurate.
So keep living in fanstasy land guy if it makes you feel better about bumping that Kurupt CD, stuttering the asinine lyrics and sipping haterade... don't worry about a thing, the rest of the world takes you just as seriously as you do.
Now I don’t even need to know what you wrote (magic!) because you must have mentioned Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube and either Warren G and DJ Quik or Eazy E or maybe even the Dogg Pound. Either way of the 5 biggest stars from that era, an era that is keep in mind over a decade (that’s ten years) old, at least 3 of those names are not only still HUGE stars but one of them practically runs the rap game, more so than he did back in his prime (I think we know who I referring to).
And Snoop has never fallen short of a platinum plaque since his g-funk debut As of now 2006 he’s essentially keeping the entire west coast relevant. As for Cube, well he is without a doubt the biggest rapper/actor in history, and even when he comes back to rap after a 5 year hiatus he can still sell half a million. DJ Quik is to this day considered one of the best producers in the game still being asked to produce records for the best and Eazy E is dead. As for Daz, Kurupt and Warren
G they don’t have the same level of success but they are by no means washed up or broke. Going gold or selling +100,000 copies is far from doing bad, in fact it’s better than the majority of rap artists do now.
So if you don’t call that type of success “history being kind to g-funk artists” you don’t know the meaning of the word.
I don’t know what type of g-funk music they played on the radio in the asylum you grew up in, but for the rest of us living on the outside of institutions the biggest hits came from Dre’s “Chronic”, Snoop’s “Doggystyle”, Cube’s “Predator” and “Lethal Injection” and probably Warren G’s “Regulate… G funk Era.” Even the influenced records from the East coast like “Big Poppa” now, are you really trying to tell me and everyone else reading this thread that not only 1) those records aren’t still played on the radio today and 2) those records aren’t remembered?
Cube was far from G-Funk. Cmon, he was fuckin' with the Bomb Squad. Sure he made some G-Funk tracks here and there, but he was hardly a G-Funk artist (if you consider him G-Funk, then Snoop will be considered Crunk and then your arguement is all fucked up). So yeah, Snoop and Dre is the only artists you can talk about today.
G-Funk influenced a dude like Easy Mo Bee... But to be real, Erick Sermon influenced G-Funk (That's why DJ Quik shows love to him). Again, not as creative as you think. Not only that, but the "big" G-Funk records all can be traced back to either Snoop or Dre with ease. We all agree Snoop and Dre are still known today, but like I stated earlier, are the others? No.
So yeah... who's really delusional? The person who thinks because Snoop or Dre are the only artists from the G-Funk era who are still relevent, that History has been "kind" to G-Funk? Or the people who think History has been very kind to Crunk as it's artists have been around for 10 years and are still relevent today.
Disagree?
8 Ball & MJG - Debut in 93. Still making hits in 06.
David Banner - Debut in 99 (under Crooked Lettaz). Still making hits in 06.
Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz - Debut in 97. Still making hits in 06.
Three 6 Mafia - Debut in 95. Still making hits in 06.
Youngbloodz - Debut in 99. Still making hits in 06.
I can go on. What happened to Warren G after 7 years? He was a non-factor in Hip Hop. The same can be said about every G-Funk artists except for Dre and Snoop. But, look at the "Crunk" artists I listed. Been out 7 years or longer and are still making major noise in the Hip Hop world. So, you tell me, who has History been kinder to? Just off the list alone: 5-2 in favor of Crunk.
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Can you really claim G-Funk is THAT creative when they do more sampling than Crunk.
West Coast Forum LOL! ???
What kind of defense is that?
I'm simply stating the truth: G-Funk can't be more creative than Crunk because G-Funk uses a grip of samples from George Clinton/Roger Troutman, etc. Bumpy broke it down perfectly above.
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Doggystyle, Dogg Food, The Chronic, etc. had NOTHING intellectual on them. DO NOT front. The songs were NOT complex. Just becuase Kurupt put "big" words together, doesn't make it complex. What you did was find the most notable Kurupt verse, that you knew people would agree with, and posted it. You know as well as anyone that G-Funk was and still nothing but a bunch of street dudes over sampled 70s and 80s Funk & R&B records. Disagree? Let's look at: South Central Cartel, Daz, Kill Kill, Warren G, MC Eiht, The Twinz... These guys did NOT make complex music, yet they're some of the favorites among G-Funk fans. So yeah... You're basically bad mouthing the same thing you're supporting. The only difference is that it's packaged as Southern music, which you obviously do not like.
Delusional? You're avoiding the facts. Nobody strayed off topic. Your support of G-Funk was perfectly relateable to the debate, as they're nearly the same essence. Let's be real, since we're being "delusional." How many G-Funk artists are relevent today? Snoop? Dre? Yeah... That's it. Kurupt, Daz etc. they're not relevent in the grand scheme of things. So, if history had been kind to G-Funk, wouldn't they be relevent today? What was so creative about G-Funk that people like Erick Sermon didn't do before them? Nothing. If it had been done before, it wasn't creative. So, historically, factually and commonly understood: You're facts are inaccurate.
Cube was far from G-Funk. Cmon, he was fuckin' with the Bomb Squad. Sure he made some G-Funk tracks here and there, but he was hardly a G-Funk artist (if you consider him G-Funk, then Snoop will be considered Crunk and then your arguement is all fucked up). So yeah, Snoop and Dre is the only artists you can talk about today.
G-Funk influenced a dude like Easy Mo Bee... But to be real, Erick Sermon influenced G-Funk (That's why DJ Quik shows love to him). Again, not as creative as you think. Not only that, but the "big" G-Funk records all can be traced back to either Snoop or Dre with ease. We all agree Snoop and Dre are still known today, but like I stated earlier, are the others? No.
So yeah... who's really delusional? The person who thinks because Snoop or Dre are the only artists from the G-Funk era who are still relevent, that History has been "kind" to G-Funk? Or the people who think History has been very kind to Crunk as it's artists have been around for 10 years and are still relevent today.
Disagree?
8 Ball & MJG - Debut in 93. Still making hits in 06.
David Banner - Debut in 99 (under Crooked Lettaz). Still making hits in 06.
Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz - Debut in 97. Still making hits in 06.
Three 6 Mafia - Debut in 95. Still making hits in 06.
Youngbloodz - Debut in 99. Still making hits in 06.
I can go on. What happened to Warren G after 7 years? He was a non-factor in Hip Hop. The same can be said about every G-Funk artists except for Dre and Snoop. But, look at the "Crunk" artists I listed. Been out 7 years or longer and are still making major noise in the Hip Hop world. So, you tell me, who has History been kinder to? Just off the list alone: 5-2 in favor of Crunk.
Please, don’t try to bate me into some waste-of-everyone’s-time battle over record sales. The back street boys have been around even longer so has techno music and easy listening music beats them all. Let’s not forget Milli Vanilli who’ve sold ten million records. And so on, it means absolutely nothing.
Music is accurately judged by, and remembered for: its creativity, its ability to transfer information, feeling and/or message and its overall impact on music as a whole. When I say history has been good to g-funk I’m talking not only about the success that the biggest names in g-funk continue to have MORE than a decade later, I’m also talking about g-funk’s place in music and history.
G-funk changed the way gangster rap was made forever and hi-jacked all of hip-hop for the better part of half a decade. Crunk music only changed the way club music is made in hip-hop. G-funk was dynamic, you could play it in a club, or feel it and think about it or relax to it. Crunk music isn’t, it is only music for clubs. G-funk was authentic, by that I mean it was something you couldn’t imitate. There are dozens of artists who tried to jump on the g-funk bandwagon when it was popular and it never worked, for some of them it destroyed their careers (see Mc Hammer). Anyone, I repeat anyone can make an “authentic” Crunk record, they’re ubiquitous in modern day hip-hop and R&B. Name me one artist who tried to make a Crunk record and it ruined them?
What it all boils down to is Crunk music:
1) Lacks authenticity, virtually anyone can make it and be successful.
2) Is composed of simple, repetitive lyrics and instrumentation purposely and carefully designed to prevent distraction by mental
stimulation, active cognition or emotional involvement.
3) Seriously lacks the dynamic nature of other genres.
4) Is most comparable in this regard to disco, dance pop music, techno and easy listening.
If you want to call Crunk equivalent to g-funk fine I don’t care. While you’re at it eat toothpaste and throw things at the other people in your asylum. It is a poor comparison and only a dimwitted person couldn’t see that.
Now, I’m not on trial here, nor do I poses the mental fortitude to explore the depths of insanity with you by answering every one of your misguided attempts to make you and your friends look less retarded so quickly let me address some of your brain farts.
(1) Cube on g-funk-
Ice Cube was absolutely one of the biggest selling g-funk artists. He adopted the g-funk sound on Predator through Lethal injection and it carried on to Westside Connection. Don’t try to bullshit here and say he made “a g-funk track here and there” have you ever even listened to Lethal Injection? The entire album is g-funk. Cube is the most successful non Death Row signed promulgator of the g-funk sound next to Warren G, intentionally or otherwise.
Evidently you don’t see the alarming hierocracy in denying Ice Cube’s place as a supporting character in g-funk yet 8 Ball & MJG and Young bloodz can all be your principal representatives for Crunk music when you know damn well (just like everyone else does), that they didn’t start their music careers “Crunk.”
(2) Asinine assertion that 15 years of relevance and success in hip hop isn’t actually success-
This one is starting to really trouble me; I just want you guys to know that I worry for you. Let’s just make this cut and dry and not argue the gradation of fame and success. It’s been 15 years since g-funk started. Bottom line: g-funk’s biggest stars are still some of the biggest stars in hip-hop fifteen (15) years after the fact.
You guys keep mentioning the lesser known g-funk one hit wonders as if their absence from the current hip-hop climate somehow indicates the entire genre was worthless. By that rational the original pioneers of hip hop were talent less hacks because CD III wasn’t smashing the game during the 90’s and “Get Tough” isn’t on the radio twenty four seven.
Virtually every successful artist from the g-funk period has maintained a level of success and relevance to this date (an achievement unprecedented in hip-hop mind you), end of discussion.
(3) Doggysyle, Chronic and Dogg Food not being intelligent-
We agree, I’ve said I don’t believe the records are intelligent so I don’t know who you are tying to argue this point to. What I did say however is that those albums exhibited high musical complexity, innovation and lyrical content capable of evoking emotions running the gamut from happiness to anger and attraction to fear. Those records rustled a lot of feathers when they came out (see Dan Quale, C. Deloris Tucker, store protests, Congressional hearing etc.) and it wasn’t because the music wasn’t saying anything.
Truthfully I think Crunk music is probably more offensive in content but the reality is no one cares because you’re not suppose to actually “listen” to the words anyways. In Crunk words are just silly little things that you use to combine vowels so you can create mind numbing melodies and loud noises the sole purpose of which is to keep you dancing and not thinking, feeling or otherwise taking an active part in the experience.
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Please, don’t try to bate me into some waste-of-everyone’s-time battle over record sales. The back street boys have been around even longer so has techno music and easy listening music beats them all. Let’s not forget Milli Vanilli who’ve sold ten million records. And so on, it means absolutely nothing.
Don't try to bate you into a battle over record sales? I never even mentioned record sales idiot.
Music is accurately judged by, and remembered for: its creativity, its ability to transfer information, feeling and/or message and its overall impact on music as a whole. When I say history has been good to g-funk I’m talking not only about the success that the biggest names in g-funk continue to have MORE than a decade later, I’m also talking about g-funk’s place in music and history.
What wasn't creative about Crunk? How does it NOT have feeling and/or message? How did it NOT impact music as a whole? G-Funk's place in music and history stay in Snoop and Dre. Like we've said before, and you keep trying to ignore, nobody else in "G-Funk" was as successful. In another ten years from now, nobody will ever remember any one from the G-Funk era that wasn't Snoop or Dre, if they weren't fans of West Coast Hip Hop at that time. Why? Cuz history hasn't been too kind to G-Funk. When it's brought up in Magazines and on T.V., only Snoop, Dre and Deathrow are mentioned (not even a name check of Dogg Pound, they're just lumped into Deathrow). History being kind to a music is that music continuing to do well, years later.
G-funk changed the way gangster rap was made forever and hi-jacked all of hip-hop for the better part of half a decade. Crunk music only changed the way club music is made in hip-hop. G-funk was dynamic, you could play it in a club, or feel it and think about it or relax to it. Crunk music isn’t, it is only music for clubs. G-funk was authentic, by that I mean it was something you couldn’t imitate. There are dozens of artists who tried to jump on the g-funk bandwagon when it was popular and it never worked, for some of them it destroyed their careers (see Mc Hammer). Anyone, I repeat anyone can make an “authentic” Crunk record, they’re ubiquitous in modern day hip-hop and R&B. Name me one artist who tried to make a Crunk record and it ruined them?
Selective reading eh? Crunk music is to the South (namely Memphis at first, then later Atlanta) as G-Funk was to L.A. Are you sure you want to say it's "only music for clubs"??? Because, you're wrong again. Ball & G, 3-6 etc. came out at first on some Gangsta shit. They made Club records, but their focus was street bangers. That was what Crunk was (and still is). But, it just happens that the most popular side of Crunk is the Club shit. Hammer was destroyed, not because he couldn't make G-Funk, it was because NOBODY wanted to hear Hammer rap gangsta shit. You're delusional to think other wise. Nice try.... So yeah, name me one artist who tried to make a G-Funk record and it ruined them, because the music wasn't up to par (as opposed to people thinking their LYRICS and CONCEPTS are corny). You say "anyone' can make a Crunk record right? Prove it. Since you went ahead and made this assumption, show it to us.
What it all boils down to is Crunk music:
1) Lacks authenticity, virtually anyone can make it and be successful.
2) Is composed of simple, repetitive lyrics and instrumentation purposely and carefully designed to prevent distraction by mental
stimulation, active cognition or emotional involvement.
3) Seriously lacks the dynamic nature of other genres.
4) Is most comparable in this regard to disco, dance pop music, techno and easy listening.
1. What's NOT authentic about it? How can anyone make it and be successful? Proof of that?
2. How do you explain the verse I posted? Why are you avoiding that?
3. What's not dynamic about it? Don't just say it.
4. LMAO @ This. As I stated, before Crunk Party music took off, nobody was listening to Crunk for anything but it's lyrical content. Why are you avoiding the verse I posted? Afraid that it ruins your entire arguement? Probably.
If you want to call Crunk equivalent to g-funk fine I don’t care. While you’re at it eat toothpaste and throw things at the other people in your asylum. It is a poor comparison and only a dimwitted person couldn’t see that.
Poor attempts to make fun of me does not help your case. It just shows you're running out of things to say, so you revert back to being a child and start insulting people. Who's really dimwitted here? The grown man throwing "you're retarded" insults? No.
Now, I’m not on trial here, nor do I poses the mental fortitude to explore the depths of insanity with you by answering every one of your misguided attempts to make you and your friends look less retarded so quickly let me address some of your brain farts.
Again, see above.
(1) Cube on g-funk-
Ice Cube was absolutely one of the biggest selling g-funk artists. He adopted the g-funk sound on Predator through Lethal injection and it carried on to Westside Connection. Don’t try to bullshit here and say he made “a g-funk track here and there” have you ever even listened to Lethal Injection? The entire album is g-funk. Cube is the most successful non Death Row signed promulgator of the g-funk sound next to Warren G, intentionally or otherwise.
Evidently you don’t see the alarming hierocracy in denying Ice Cube’s place as a supporting character in g-funk yet 8 Ball & MJG and Young bloodz can all be your principal representatives for Crunk music when you know damn well (just like everyone else does), that they didn’t start their music careers “Crunk.”
Westside Connection did NOT sound G-Funk to me at all. That shit had a dark overtone that you did not see in G-Funk. Like I said, he didn't make G-Funk like your Snoops, Warren Gs and such. You brought up Predator, "It Was A Good Day" was one of the biggest singles from that album and that's not G-Funk. Another big single was "Check Yo Self." Are you saying that was G-Funk? Hardly. Shit still had a huge East Coast influence. So, yeah... Anything else to say?
(2) Asinine assertion that 15 years of relevance and success in hip hop isn’t actually success-
This one is starting to really trouble me; I just want you guys to know that I worry for you. Let’s just make this cut and dry and not argue the gradation of fame and success. It’s been 15 years since g-funk started. Bottom line: g-funk’s biggest stars are still some of the biggest stars in hip-hop fifteen (15) years after the fact.
You guys keep mentioning the lesser known g-funk one hit wonders as if their absence from the current hip-hop climate somehow indicates the entire genre was worthless. By that rational the original pioneers of hip hop were talent less hacks because CD III wasn’t smashing the game during the 90’s and “Get Tough” isn’t on the radio twenty four seven.
Virtually every successful artist from the g-funk period has maintained a level of success and relevance to this date (an achievement unprecedented in hip-hop mind you), end of discussion.
You just said yourself that only TWO artists are still successful. If only TWO out of THOUSANDS are successful, what does that say? That indicates that the genre was full of artists who were worthless without a Funk sample. So, this is something you find shows success? No. Snoop's "G-Funk" records he makes today fail. Dre hasn't ventured into G-Funk in a long time. So yes, two artists from the G-Funk era are still doing well, but they're not making G-Funk records that are blowing up anymore, now are they?
(3) Doggysyle, Chronic and Dogg Food not being intelligent-
We agree, I’ve said I don’t believe the records are intelligent so I don’t know who you are tying to argue this point to. What I did say however is that those albums exhibited high musical complexity, innovation and lyrical content capable of evoking emotions running the gamut from happiness to anger and attraction to fear. Those records rustled a lot of feathers when they came out (see Dan Quale, C. Deloris Tucker, store protests, Congressional hearing etc.) and it wasn’t because the music wasn’t saying anything.
Truthfully I think Crunk music is probably more offensive in content but the reality is no one cares because you’re not suppose to actually “listen” to the words anyways. In Crunk words are just silly little things that you use to combine vowels so you can create mind numbing melodies and loud noises the sole purpose of which is to keep you dancing and not thinking, feeling or otherwise taking an active part in the experience.
Yet again ignoring the verse I posted. You keep saying the same thing because you can't combat facts.
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Damn, SGV, you're killing this dude. Please be careful of his self-esteem; if you're not, he might have to start talking to his imaginary girlfriend again so that he can think he's winning.
Oh, and BTW, Efrain, I sure as fucking hell hope you aren't gonna tell me you don't know what it means to "ether" somebody. Your post (and the fact that you can't even spell it correctly) would appear to indicate that's the case...and yet you call yourself a hip-hop head?
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Damn, SGV, you're killing this dude. Please be careful of his self-esteem; if you're not, he might have to start talking to his imaginary girlfriend again so that he can think he's winning.
Oh, and BTW, Efrain, I sure as fucking hell hope you aren't gonna tell me you don't know what it means to "ether" somebody. Your post (and the fact that you can't even spell it correctly) would appear to indicate that's the case...and yet you call yourself a hip-hop head?
What he does is this: He gets himself a thesaurus and tries to find the biggest words possible to make it seem like he's saying something worthwhile. But, much like he says Crunk is just a bunch of words with no meaning, that's what his posts boil down to. This dude is just a hater.
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What he does is this: He gets himself a thesaurus and tries to find the biggest words possible to make it seem like he's saying something worthwhile. But, much like he says Crunk is just a bunch of words with no meaning, that's what his posts boil down to. This dude is just a hater.
I don't think you even need a thesaurus to come up with the kinda bullshit he spews - his arguments just make no sense, period, and if he even needed a thesaurus to articulate himself, that just makes them even seem more pathetic and inane.
"Seriously lacks the dynamic nature of other genres" - man, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Like we agree, he's just throwing words together to give the ILLUISION of intellectual validity where there is none.
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This is actually a discussion worth reading...
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What he does is this: He gets himself a thesaurus and tries to find the biggest words possible to make it seem like he's saying something worthwhile. But, much like he says Crunk is just a bunch of words with no meaning, that's what his posts boil down to. This dude is just a hater.
I don't think you even need a thesaurus to come up with the kinda bullshit he spews - his arguments just make no sense, period, and if he even needed a thesaurus to articulate himself, that just makes them even seem more pathetic and inane.
"Seriously lacks the dynamic nature of other genres" - man, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Like we agree, he's just throwing words together to give the ILLUISION of intellectual validity where there is none.
Damn yall served that kid, everything that needs to be said has been said.
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What he does is this: He gets himself a thesaurus and tries to find the biggest words possible to make it seem like he's saying something worthwhile. But, much like he says Crunk is just a bunch of words with no meaning, that's what his posts boil down to. This dude is just a hater.
I don't think you even need a thesaurus to come up with the kinda bullshit he spews - his arguments just make no sense, period, and if he even needed a thesaurus to articulate himself, that just makes them even seem more pathetic and inane.
"Seriously lacks the dynamic nature of other genres" - man, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Like we agree, he's just throwing words together to give the ILLUISION of intellectual validity where there is none.
Damn yall served that kid, everything that needs to be said has been said.
Isnt it more a matter of opinion.
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Isnt it more a matter of opinion.
No.
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Isnt it more a matter of opinion.
No.
In my opinion, the opinions spread around here are more a matter of opinions.
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In my opinion, the opinions spread around here are more a matter of opinions.
Not when some of us here know what we're talking about. There are informed opinons, and uninformed opinions.
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Yet again ignoring the verse I posted. You keep saying the same thing because you can't combat facts.
I say Crunk is less than comparable to g-funk for xyz reason then I list them. You just keep quoting me saying “Why?” Go back and read my previous posts to find out why I’m not going to keep saying it.
Everyone here has already agreed Crunk music primarily for the clubs. Now you’re saying it isn’t? That’s complete nonsense. And don’t try to lump all of southern rap into the Cunk category, Crunk is its own sub-division of southern rap. You keep claiming otherwise, again that makes you misinformed or delusional. Crunk music is a style of hip-hop dance music primarily for clubs, don’t believe me? Look it up in any modern dictionary or encyclopedia.
As far as my assertion that anyone can make a “Crunk” record without criticism and be just as successful as southern rappers in Crunk music, they can! You actually need examples from me? Lets start with Usher, Mariah Cary, Lil Bow Wow, DMX, Nas, TLC, Janet Jackson, Fat Joe and MC HAMMER. Lil Jon is also working with Whitney Houston and Aaron Carter on their upcoming albums, no doubt popular club hits in the making. So I guess those artists qualify as born and bread authentic Crunk southern rappers in your whacked out mind but again, a quick reality check shows that those artists aren’t southern rappers and a quick crossover into Crunk from any musical genre is virtually seamless and often consistently successful.
Anyone can do Crunk. It doesn’t require any special skill set, or background or knowledge to have a hit in Crunk; face it friend, it just doesn’t.
As for Ice Cube, you are just wrong (again). Go look at who produced Predator that wasn’t bomb squad moron it was Dj Pooh, Muggs and Sir Jinx. In 92 g-funk was just starting to take form and those influences are clear as day in that album. Cube ditched bomb squad to keep with the changing trends in music and opted for a funkier sound (because of g-funk). Hence his promotion of the genre and his contribution to its success.
You say West Side Connection didn’t have g-funk influences on it? Was there high pitched, heavy portamento synth usage with strong baselines? Don’t bother answering, there were, you’re wrong.
Mc Hammer did destroyed his career by trying to switch to gangster rap in 94’ during g-funk’s prime (and thus g-funk), he even featured The Dogg Pound on his album how can you possibly try to say Mc Hammer wasn’t jumping on the g-funk band wagon?
And lastly let me address this mystery verse of yours you hold in such high esteem. This is not a “Crunk” record. It could never be misconstrued as one, and no one, I repeat NO ONE would ever be dumb enough to call this a Crunk record except you. Again little boy don’t stray off topic this is about Crunk music not southern rap; two distinguishable and demonstrably different sub genres of hip-hop. This verse you quote is from Three 6 Mafia in 95. They didn’t even make a “Crunk” styled record until 97 with “Tear the club up.” We’re juxtaposing Crunk music in its prime to g-funk in its prime, not west coast music and southern music.
So please before you reply again read what I wrote. Think about it and then respond. If something resonates with you (which it should considering it is reality) then maybe you should concede a point or two. After all you still wont admit that Crunk music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in: the club. An indisputable fact you refuse to accept.
Correct?
Before we can continue you need to come to terms with that. And I don’t want to hear any more “no, then ok name another one” or “Why's” from you. That’s how a child argues with their parents, son.
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I say Crunk is less than comparable to g-funk for xyz reason then I list them. You just keep quoting me saying “Why?” Go back and read my previous posts to find out why I’m not going to keep saying it.
You just make a blanket statement, but you don't elaborate. That's why we ask why.
Everyone here has already agreed Crunk music primarily for the clubs. Now you’re saying it isn’t? That’s complete nonsense. And don’t try to lump all of southern rap into the Cunk category, Crunk is its own sub-division of southern rap. You keep claiming otherwise, again that makes you misinformed or delusional. Crunk music is a style of hip-hop dance music primarily for clubs, don’t believe me? Look it up in any modern dictionary or encyclopedia.
I don't need to look up a dictionary, I just have to listen to muic. 3-6 been making rowdy cuts labeled as Crunk since the mid 90s, they haven't always been Club records. Don't be dumb. Show me where I lump Southern rap into Crunk. If I did that, where's the mention of Scarface? Bun B? etc. I can't use their names to defend Crunk cuz they're not Crunk. Now, are who's delusional? You. Why? You're making things up to save face.
As far as my assertion that anyone can make a “Crunk” record without criticism and be just as successful as southern rappers in Crunk music, they can! You actually need examples from me? Lets start with Usher, Mariah Cary, Lil Bow Wow, DMX, Nas, TLC, Janet Jackson, Fat Joe and MC HAMMER. Lil Jon is also working with Whitney Houston and Aaron Carter on their upcoming albums, no doubt popular club hits in the making. So I guess those artists qualify as born and bread authentic Crunk southern rappers in your whacked out mind but again, a quick reality check shows that those artists aren’t southern rappers and a quick crossover into Crunk from any musical genre is virtually seamless and often consistently successful.
Usher made "Yeah" and was successful. You're right. But was it thanks to a Crunk artist like Lil Jon and (semi-Crunk) Ludacris that gave it that validity for the Crunk stamp. LMAO @ Mariah Carey. Show me her Crunk tracks. Bow Wow's successful songs have never and will never be Crunk. They're always his chick jams. DMX? LMAO!!!!! He's made Crunk and was successful? Nas? Homeboy, you're really reaching. Bravehearts didn't do shit, even after making that single with Lil Jon. TLC? Haha. Janet? Fat Joe? WTF?!!! DOGG! Are you really being serious? What you're doing is lumping people together that may have made a song with a Crunk beat once or twice. But NONE of these people blew up off this shit. After reading this, I can tell you have no knowledge of Hip Hop whatsoever.
Anyone can do Crunk. It doesn’t require any special skill set, or background or knowledge to have a hit in Crunk; face it friend, it just doesn’t.
Ok. Make a Crunk track. If anyone can do it, so can you. Do it. Otherwise you're wrong.
As for Ice Cube, you are just wrong (again). Go look at who produced Predator that wasn’t bomb squad moron it was Dj Pooh, Muggs and Sir Jinx. In 92 g-funk was just starting to take form and those influences are clear as day in that album. Cube ditched bomb squad to keep with the changing trends in music and opted for a funkier sound (because of g-funk). Hence his promotion of the genre and his contribution to its success.
You say West Side Connection didn’t have g-funk influences on it? Was there high pitched, heavy portamento synth usage with strong baselines? Don’t bother answering, there were, you’re wrong.
One, did I EVER say Bomb Squad produced on Predator? Don't call someone a moron when you can't even get facts straight. LMAO. You really make yourself look worse each time. As I stated, his two biggest singles were non-G-Funk. You continue to talk about success, but avoid the true fact of what was successful and what wasn't. As I stated, WSC was more of a dark-overtone used to combat East Coast rappers and critics. They weren't making funked out ode's to Roger and George Clinton. They were nothing like you heard on Doggystyle, Chronic, etc. That was NOT G-Funk. You had Cube and them damn near yelling on tracks... How many G-Funk tracks had that? None, if any at all.
Mc Hammer did destroyed his career by trying to switch to gangster rap in 94’ during g-funk’s prime (and thus g-funk), he even featured The Dogg Pound on his album how can you possibly try to say Mc Hammer wasn’t jumping on the g-funk band wagon?
Gangsta Rap is not G-Funk. Sure, some Gangsta Rap was made in the form of G-Funk, but Gangsta Rap was also considered Crunk (which is what artists like 8-Ball & MJG, 3-6 Mafia, etc. made). Hell, people consider some of BDP's early music Gangsta Rap, they weren't G-Funk. You're mixing up two things, trying to make them one. Hammer destroyed himself by portraying himself as a Gangsta, not because he used funk samples. LOL. You have gotta be kidding me.
And lastly let me address this mystery verse of yours you hold in such high esteem. This is not a “Crunk” record. It could never be misconstrued as one, and no one, I repeat NO ONE would ever be dumb enough to call this a Crunk record except you. Again little boy don’t stray off topic this is about Crunk music not southern rap; two distinguishable and demonstrably different sub genres of hip-hop. This verse you quote is from Three 6 Mafia in 95. They didn’t even make a “Crunk” styled record until 97 with “Tear the club up.” We’re juxtaposing Crunk music in its prime to g-funk in its prime, not west coast music and southern music.
You're an idiot. They didn't make a Crunk record until 97? How about making a song called "Gettem Crunk" in 96? LOL. You mention "Tear Da Club Up" and since you seem to know what album the song I posted came from, how do you not know the ORIGINAL "Tear Da Club Up" was on that same album? LMAO. You're really not doing too well. You don't even know what you're really talking about here. Mystic Stylez is to Crunk, as Doggystyle is to G-Funk. The raw gritty-ness of that album was the personification of Memphis Crunk. It wasn't until Atlanta took Memphis Crunk and mixed it with the Miami bass that was the craze during the time that it really took off and made it's debut in other Southern areas.
So please before you reply again read what I wrote. Think about it and then respond. If something resonates with you (which it should considering it is reality) then maybe you should concede a point or two. After all you still wont admit that Crunk music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in: the club. An indisputable fact you refuse to accept.
Correct?
You never even heard Mystic Stylez... How can you speak on what Crunk is or isn't? Correct?
Before we can continue you need to come to terms with that. And I don’t want to hear any more “no, then ok name another one” or “Why's” from you. That’s how a child argues with their parents, son.
Elaborate then.You don't want me to ask why, then make sure you elaborate. See, a child will just say: "this is the fact..." and when asked why: "Because." That's what you're doing. What I'm doing is what anybody in a debate would do: Ask the other person to validate the statement. The child in you doesn't want to, because he can't, daughter.
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11th Commandment: "Thou shall not fuck with SGV The Wise, for His knowledge of hip-hop exceeds that of the elitist wiggers who want to be down."
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you clowns are somethin else
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you clowns are somethin else
Yeah, knowledgable. Cats like us are a rarity these days, sadly.
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This is sad lol, SGV is slaughtering this EFRAIN kid. Look at the arguments, Efrain keeps coming up with bogus shit that is irrelevant while SGV is coming at him with fact after fact, lol try to go a lil easy on the kid SGV, you're killing him.
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LOL this shit is classic.
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This is sad lol, SGV is slaughtering this EFRAIN kid. Look at the arguments, Efrain keeps coming up with bogus shit that is irrelevant while SGV is coming at him with fact after fact, lol try to go a lil easy on the kid SGV, you're killing him.
The thing is, Efrain obviously doesn't know what he's talking about cause he doesn't even know what Crunk is besides Lil Jon. He thinks it's all repetitive chanting because that's what Lil Jon (who ain't even a rapper and has ADMITTED it himself) does. It's obvious he doesn't know shit about the music he's criticizing.
Also, somebody remind me: Isn't Efrain that muh'fucka who once flipped on me when he thought I was being racist for pointing out racism in certain rappers' lyrics, and then he tried to claim "devil" only means a racist white person? I seem to recognize him cause dude's comebacks are always something lame about taking meds or mental institutions whenever somebody disagrees with him...it's what he told me back then, too.
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If Chanting makes you Crunk, then Afrika Baambaataa is Crunk, but Luke is the Crunkest of them all. haha.
Some dudes just don't know shit about Hip Hop beyond, let's say, 1999. Around the time Eminem came out commercially and Dre dropped his album, a lot of people got into Hip Hop. They're trying to learn, but they just have no background.
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Ells are you in love with SGV? =]
SGV i think anyone can make a crunk track (if they wanted to), but in terms of actually being successful doing it, Alot of people can't do it....The music might seem shitty to alot of people (including me) but that still does not make it something easy to make and be successful with it guys. But what happened to the topic of the south being angry at Nas....and SGV chill out with all the "you know nothing bout hip hop" stuff. its not nice =]
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Ells are you in love with SGV? =]
No. Are you in love with Efrain for being an apologist to him?
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lol...wow.
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Answer the question SGV. Is "Crunk" music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in the club?
It's a yes or no question, quit dodging it.
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Answer the question SGV. Is "Crunk" music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in the club?
It's a yes or no question, quit dodging it.
He DID answer it, muh'fucka. Read his post again.
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Answer the question SGV. Is "Crunk" music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in the club?
It's a yes or no question, quit dodging it.
LMAO. Who's dodging it?
It was answered in my post, you're too dumb to catch it I guess:
"I don't need to look up a dictionary, I just have to listen to muic. 3-6 been making rowdy cuts labeled as Crunk since the mid 90s, they haven't always been Club records. "
The Crunk you speak of is made for parties & Clubs. But, Crunk as a whole is just rowdy street music.
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well apperently the crunk he speaks of, has nothing to do with crunk as a whole? :-X
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Answer the question SGV. Is "Crunk" music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in the club?
It's a yes or no question, quit dodging it.
LMAO. Who's dodging it?
It was answered in my post, you're too dumb to catch it I guess:
"I don't need to look up a dictionary, I just have to listen to muic. 3-6 been making rowdy cuts labeled as Crunk since the mid 90s, they haven't always been Club records. "
The Crunk you speak of is made for parties & Clubs. But, Crunk as a whole is just rowdy street music.
Wait...wait, so are you telling me that there are two forms of Crunk music now? The one I’ve been talking about this entire time (the one played in the club) and a second, totally different form that you know of?
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Answer the question SGV. Is "Crunk" music is designed for, primarily played at and enjoys the most success in the club?
It's a yes or no question, quit dodging it.
LMAO. Who's dodging it?
It was answered in my post, you're too dumb to catch it I guess:
"I don't need to look up a dictionary, I just have to listen to muic. 3-6 been making rowdy cuts labeled as Crunk since the mid 90s, they haven't always been Club records. "
The Crunk you speak of is made for parties & Clubs. But, Crunk as a whole is just rowdy street music.
Wait...wait, so are you telling me that there are two forms of Crunk music now? The one I’ve been talking about this entire time (the one played in the club) and a second, totally different form that you know of?
yeah
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That only I know of? No. Anyone knowledgeable in Southern Music knows about it.
Pastor Troy makes Crunk music. But, he's not played in the Clubs 24/7. A song like "No More Play In GA" is a rowdy street record (Read: Crunk).
Just like there was G-Funk made for Clubs and there was G-Funk made for the streets... Crunk's the same way. Don't be dumb like you don't know. Unless you really don't, then you are dumb.
The Crunk you talk about (Namely Lil Jon) makes Crunk music primarily for the Club. Though he has street anthems too.
Since you used wikipedia to find out about 3-6 Mafia, let me show you something:
"Crunk is a specific type of hip hop music, based particularly on the eastern side of Atlanta, Georgia, and its birthplace of Memphis, Tennessee."
"The Crunk genre originated in the early 1990s but did not become mainstream until the early 2000s. "
So yeah Efrain, you obviously have no clue what Crunk music is and where it came from. 3-6 Mafia, Pastor Troy, Yo Gotti, Kinpin Skinny Pimp, Playa Fly, Crime Mob, etc. can all make Crunk music that isn't directly aimed at the Clubs at all times.
So again, to reiterate for you: The Crunk you speak of is made for Clubs and has the most commercial success. And, again, there's other types of Crunk, not just Club music. But, to a person who only knows Crunk by whats on MTV or the Radio, they only see one side: The Club. Uneducated people....
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cause he talks about the crunk that MOST people refer to when they say they cant stand southern music.....he is uneducated? interesting.
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So again, to reiterate for you: The Crunk you speak of is made for Clubs and has the most commercial success. And, again, there's other types of Crunk, not just Club music. But, to a person who only knows Crunk by whats on MTV or the Radio, they only see one side: The Club. Uneducated people....
Please clarify for everyone, are you stating fact or opinion?
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cause he talks about the crunk that MOST people refer to when they say they cant stand southern music.....he is uneducated? interesting.
Yes, because just as that is not ALL Southern Music, that is not ALL Crunk either. So, that would make him uneducated, as he's grouping everything into one. You trying to co-sign him shows you're uneducated side, as well. Interesting.
Please clarify for everyone, are you stating fact or opinion?
It's a fact that you are referring to Lil Jon and Crunk music that is played in Clubs. It's a fact that there's other types of Crunk that are not aimed for the Clubs. It's a fact that a person who only knows Crunk by whats on MTV or the Radio, they only see one side: The Club.
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Please clarify for everyone, are you stating fact or opinion?
It's a fact that you are referring to Lil Jon and Crunk music that is played in Clubs. It's a fact that there's other types of Crunk that are not aimed for the Clubs. It's a fact that a person who only knows Crunk by whats on MTV or the Radio, they only see one side: The Club.
So in your mind Crunk music is not a sub-genre of hip-hop primarily for the clubs, but rather an entire genre of music in itself, containing subdivisions within it.
Correct?
You claim the term Crunk encompasses not only the form of southern club music, but also a more street directed, socially conscious side that lacks the shortcomings of it’s more well known and successful co-part.
Correct?
Well then SGV it seems you have your work cut out for you considering not only does conventional wisdom completely disagree with you, but the people who’ve actually pioneered the music couldn’t disagree more.
Lets quickly go back to that wikipedia reference of yours and check the first paragraph you so conveniently overlooked.
“Crunk is classified as a subdivision of Dirty South, Southern rap, and Memphis rap and is an outgrowth of Miami-based Miami bass and New Orleans bounce music… Unlike the East Coast style of hip hop, crunk has a high-energy and club-oriented feel. While other hip hop styles might involve a more conversational vocal delivery, crunk usually involves hoarse chants and repetitive, simple refrains. Lyrics are based on a rhythmic bounce, which is very effective in a club environment… others say that the music is specifically designed for the rowdy clubs in which this style thrives, and that it serves its purpose well for that scene, in which sophisticated music is not necessary. [/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunk
It’s funny, I know I’ve heard similar descriptions of Crunk music before.. oh yeah, that’s essentially every-fucking-thing I’ve been saying verbatim since this ridiculous conversation started. But I digress, let’s continue. How do the artists themselves characterize and define Crunk music.
"My definition of crunk is Lil Jon," says Kaine of Ying Yang Twins, one of the string of Atlanta acts that rode the crunk train up the pop charts this year.
Crunk, for anyone who hasn't kept up on recent pop trends, is a hip-hop sub-genre emanating from the clubs of Atlanta. It's music designed specifically to get the testosterone boiling -- high energy, headbanger hip-hop, better suited for the mosh pit than the V.I.P. area. Its m.o. mainly revolves around cheap beats and impossibly booming bass, catchy call-and-response chants and ferocious roars. [/b]
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13862
Lil Jon: "Crunk music is something parallel to rock 'n' roll or punk rock because of the energy it gives you," says Lil' Jon in an interview with USA Today. "It's designed to get you hyper and to get the party off the hook. The music is so powerful, you can't deny it. " Crunk artists "don't give a damn about being the best rapper. It's all about saying something that's going to get people crunk in the clubs," he continued.
http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/4914
A lot of rappers are always about, "Check out my lyrics. I’m deep." You are more about having fun. Why do you think you’ve be able to survive without being lyrically driven?
Lil Jon: We just make records for the clubs, that the DJ’s love to play because we’re going to get the club crunk. We just make records that make the club get hot, man. [/b]
http://www.murderdog.com/archives/liljon/LilJon&TheEastSide2.html
What are you into spinning right now?
Lil Jon: Dancehall, Hip Hop, R&B, same shit…whatever gets the club to get rowdy
Really, R&B? That’s not too Crunk
Lil Jon: Yeah, I like all types of music though, you know what I’m saying.. Music fits you for different moods you are in. If I’m chillin,’ riding around the city cruising, I might be bumping some A Marie, if I’m trying to get Crunk I might put in Project Pat or Baby D…it just depends.
http://kludgemagazine.com/interviews/Lil_Jon__The_East_Side_Boyz/2002-11-18/
And lastly, let’s check in with Three Six Mafia and find out how they define Crunk and what they think of Lil Jon being labeled the “King of Crunk.” They, after all are the people you claim are part of the real, non-club side of Crunk music.
LegBreaka: How do you feel about Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk,” when so much of the music you all have been putting out over the years is so similar?
DJ Paul: I get this question all the time, people have it confused. Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk” is fine. Our music was never called Crunk, it’s called Get Buck music. When we used the slang term ‘crunk,’ we mean, it's crowded. I just came out of the KFC and I would tell the people coming in, you might not want to go in there because it Crunk in there.
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1237
So just a quick recap. Three Six Mafia believes Lil Jon is in fact the king of Crunk, they themselves do not perform “Crunk” music nor do they feel being labeled as “Crunk” artists is appropriate.
Hmm interesting, but SGV I thought you said Three Six Mafia were the real creators of Crunk? Not only that but didn’t you also say they are a part of that non-cub form of Crunk that’s played in the street etc? You know, that type of Crunk music everyone else knows about and I’m ignorant to? Strange, it seems they think your notion is complete and utter bullshit.
Now, Lil Jon does believe Crunk music is for the clubs, where he purposely designs the music to be played and he himself admits it isn’t necessary to be lyrical, socially conscious or anything other than exciting the crowd. Not only that but he takes it a step further saying not only is Crunk music exclusively for the clubs, but when he himself is relaxing or “chilling” he’ll listen to something that better “fits the mood,” i.e. non-Crunk. Why? because Crunk’s sole and only function is to serve the club environment.
Three Six Mafia is not Crunk by their own admission, Lil Jon is the king of Crunk and represents the genre as such according to everyone and you sir are
OWNED
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So in your mind Crunk music is not a sub-genre of hip-hop primarily for the clubs, but rather an entire genre of music in itself, containing subdivisions within it.
Correct?
You claim the term Crunk encompasses not only the form of southern club music, but also a more street directed, socially conscious side that lacks the shortcomings of it’s more well known and successful co-part.
Correct?
Well then SGV it seems you have your work cut out for you considering not only does conventional wisdom completely disagree with you, but the people who’ve actually pioneered the music couldn’t disagree more.
Lets quickly go back to that wikipedia reference of yours and check the first paragraph you so conveniently overlooked.
“Crunk is classified as a subdivision of Dirty South, Southern rap, and Memphis rap and is an outgrowth of Miami-based Miami bass and New Orleans bounce music… Unlike the East Coast style of hip hop, crunk has a high-energy and club-oriented feel. While other hip hop styles might involve a more conversational vocal delivery, crunk usually involves hoarse chants and repetitive, simple refrains. Lyrics are based on a rhythmic bounce, which is very effective in a club environment… others say that the music is specifically designed for the rowdy clubs in which this style thrives, and that it serves its purpose well for that scene, in which sophisticated music is not necessary. [/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunk
It’s funny, I know I’ve heard similar descriptions of Crunk music before.. oh yeah, that’s essentially every-fucking-thing I’ve been saying verbatim since this ridiculous conversation started. But I digress, let’s continue. How do the artists themselves characterize and define Crunk music.
"My definition of crunk is Lil Jon," says Kaine of Ying Yang Twins, one of the string of Atlanta acts that rode the crunk train up the pop charts this year.
Crunk, for anyone who hasn't kept up on recent pop trends, is a hip-hop sub-genre emanating from the clubs of Atlanta. It's music designed specifically to get the testosterone boiling -- high energy, headbanger hip-hop, better suited for the mosh pit than the V.I.P. area. Its m.o. mainly revolves around cheap beats and impossibly booming bass, catchy call-and-response chants and ferocious roars. [/b]
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13862
Lil Jon: "Crunk music is something parallel to rock 'n' roll or punk rock because of the energy it gives you," says Lil' Jon in an interview with USA Today. "It's designed to get you hyper and to get the party off the hook. The music is so powerful, you can't deny it. " Crunk artists "don't give a damn about being the best rapper. It's all about saying something that's going to get people crunk in the clubs," he continued.
http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/4914
A lot of rappers are always about, "Check out my lyrics. I’m deep." You are more about having fun. Why do you think you’ve be able to survive without being lyrically driven?
Lil Jon: We just make records for the clubs, that the DJ’s love to play because we’re going to get the club crunk. We just make records that make the club get hot, man. [/b]
http://www.murderdog.com/archives/liljon/LilJon&TheEastSide2.html
What are you into spinning right now?
Lil Jon: Dancehall, Hip Hop, R&B, same shit…whatever gets the club to get rowdy
Really, R&B? That’s not too Crunk
Lil Jon: Yeah, I like all types of music though, you know what I’m saying.. Music fits you for different moods you are in. If I’m chillin,’ riding around the city cruising, I might be bumping some A Marie, if I’m trying to get Crunk I might put in Project Pat or Baby D…it just depends.
http://kludgemagazine.com/interviews/Lil_Jon__The_East_Side_Boyz/2002-11-18/
And lastly, let’s check in with Three Six Mafia and find out how they define Crunk and what they think of Lil Jon being labeled the “King of Crunk.” They, after all are the people you claim are part of the real, non-club side of Crunk music.
LegBreaka: How do you feel about Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk,” when so much of the music you all have been putting out over the years is so similar?
DJ Paul: I get this question all the time, people have it confused. Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk” is fine. Our music was never called Crunk, it’s called Get Buck music. When we used the slang term ‘crunk,’ we mean, it's crowded. I just came out of the KFC and I would tell the people coming in, you might not want to go in there because it Crunk in there.
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1237
So just a quick recap. Three Six Mafia believes Lil Jon is in fact the king of Crunk, they themselves do not perform “Crunk” music nor do they feel being labeled as “Crunk” artists is appropriate.
Hmm interesting, but SGV I thought you said Three Six Mafia were the real creators of Crunk? Not only that but didn’t you also say they are a part of that non-cub form of Crunk that’s played in the street etc? You know, that type of Crunk music everyone else knows about and I’m ignorant to? Strange, it seems they think your notion is complete and utter bullshit.
Now, Lil Jon does believe Crunk music is for the clubs, where he purposely designs the music to be played and he himself admits it isn’t necessary to be lyrical, socially conscious or anything other than exciting the crowd. Not only that but he takes it a step further saying not only is Crunk music exclusively for the clubs, but when he himself is relaxing or “chilling” he’ll listen to something that better “fits the mood,” i.e. non-Crunk. Why? because Crunk’s sole and only function is to serve the club environment.
Three Six Mafia is not Crunk by their own admission, Lil Jon is the king of Crunk and represents the genre as such according to everyone and you sir are
OWNED
LMAO @ Your quotes. You quote Lil Jon almost each time (or quote about Lil Jon), who obviously makes the Crunk music you speak of. Then, you quote wikipedia, which states Memphis was the birthplace of Crunk. A source that also claims:
"Three 6 Mafia (formerly known as Triple Six Mafia), is the first hip hop group from Memphis, Tennessee to go platinum, the second hip-hop act to be nominated for and win an Oscar (1st was Eminem's "Lose Yourself"). They are the originators of certain types of crunk music. "
But, then you go ahead and contradict your source with a DJ Paul quote.
So let me show you a DJ Paul quote to "own" you:
"The rest of the album, however, is a wide-ranging mix - with Paul's experimental ideas sharing time with the thuggish Three 6 fans have come to love, with bass-heavy Memphis-syle beats and club shaking chants. "Jus Like Us" is a brutal broadside against heads that bite off the Three 6 style. "Barrin' You Bitches" combines addictive rhythms and infectious sounthern style textures. "Those are the crunk type of songs," Paul said. "
http://www.sonymusic.com/labels/loud/home/36mafianews.html
By his OWN admission they have Crunk tracks. Sorry.
Here's another source stating theyre the originators:
"They are famous for being pioneers of the crunk sound, as well as being the first rap artists from Memphis to go platinum."
http://www.artistopia.com/three-6-mafia
So yeah... Sorry dude.
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So in your mind Crunk music is not a sub-genre of hip-hop primarily for the clubs, but rather an entire genre of music in itself, containing subdivisions within it.
Correct?
You claim the term Crunk encompasses not only the form of southern club music, but also a more street directed, socially conscious side that lacks the shortcomings of it’s more well known and successful co-part.
Correct?
Well then SGV it seems you have your work cut out for you considering not only does conventional wisdom completely disagree with you, but the people who’ve actually pioneered the music couldn’t disagree more.
Lets quickly go back to that wikipedia reference of yours and check the first paragraph you so conveniently overlooked.
“Crunk is classified as a subdivision of Dirty South, Southern rap, and Memphis rap and is an outgrowth of Miami-based Miami bass and New Orleans bounce music… Unlike the East Coast style of hip hop, crunk has a high-energy and club-oriented feel. While other hip hop styles might involve a more conversational vocal delivery, crunk usually involves hoarse chants and repetitive, simple refrains. Lyrics are based on a rhythmic bounce, which is very effective in a club environment… others say that the music is specifically designed for the rowdy clubs in which this style thrives, and that it serves its purpose well for that scene, in which sophisticated music is not necessary. [/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunk
It’s funny, I know I’ve heard similar descriptions of Crunk music before.. oh yeah, that’s essentially every-fucking-thing I’ve been saying verbatim since this ridiculous conversation started. But I digress, let’s continue. How do the artists themselves characterize and define Crunk music.
"My definition of crunk is Lil Jon," says Kaine of Ying Yang Twins, one of the string of Atlanta acts that rode the crunk train up the pop charts this year.
Crunk, for anyone who hasn't kept up on recent pop trends, is a hip-hop sub-genre emanating from the clubs of Atlanta. It's music designed specifically to get the testosterone boiling -- high energy, headbanger hip-hop, better suited for the mosh pit than the V.I.P. area. Its m.o. mainly revolves around cheap beats and impossibly booming bass, catchy call-and-response chants and ferocious roars. [/b]
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13862
Lil Jon: "Crunk music is something parallel to rock 'n' roll or punk rock because of the energy it gives you," says Lil' Jon in an interview with USA Today. "It's designed to get you hyper and to get the party off the hook. The music is so powerful, you can't deny it. " Crunk artists "don't give a damn about being the best rapper. It's all about saying something that's going to get people crunk in the clubs," he continued.
http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/4914
A lot of rappers are always about, "Check out my lyrics. I’m deep." You are more about having fun. Why do you think you’ve be able to survive without being lyrically driven?
Lil Jon: We just make records for the clubs, that the DJ’s love to play because we’re going to get the club crunk. We just make records that make the club get hot, man. [/b]
http://www.murderdog.com/archives/liljon/LilJon&TheEastSide2.html
What are you into spinning right now?
Lil Jon: Dancehall, Hip Hop, R&B, same shit…whatever gets the club to get rowdy
Really, R&B? That’s not too Crunk
Lil Jon: Yeah, I like all types of music though, you know what I’m saying.. Music fits you for different moods you are in. If I’m chillin,’ riding around the city cruising, I might be bumping some A Marie, if I’m trying to get Crunk I might put in Project Pat or Baby D…it just depends.
http://kludgemagazine.com/interviews/Lil_Jon__The_East_Side_Boyz/2002-11-18/
And lastly, let’s check in with Three Six Mafia and find out how they define Crunk and what they think of Lil Jon being labeled the “King of Crunk.” They, after all are the people you claim are part of the real, non-club side of Crunk music.
LegBreaka: How do you feel about Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk,” when so much of the music you all have been putting out over the years is so similar?
DJ Paul: I get this question all the time, people have it confused. Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk” is fine. Our music was never called Crunk, it’s called Get Buck music. When we used the slang term ‘crunk,’ we mean, it's crowded. I just came out of the KFC and I would tell the people coming in, you might not want to go in there because it Crunk in there.
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1237
So just a quick recap. Three Six Mafia believes Lil Jon is in fact the king of Crunk, they themselves do not perform “Crunk” music nor do they feel being labeled as “Crunk” artists is appropriate.
Hmm interesting, but SGV I thought you said Three Six Mafia were the real creators of Crunk? Not only that but didn’t you also say they are a part of that non-cub form of Crunk that’s played in the street etc? You know, that type of Crunk music everyone else knows about and I’m ignorant to? Strange, it seems they think your notion is complete and utter bullshit.
Now, Lil Jon does believe Crunk music is for the clubs, where he purposely designs the music to be played and he himself admits it isn’t necessary to be lyrical, socially conscious or anything other than exciting the crowd. Not only that but he takes it a step further saying not only is Crunk music exclusively for the clubs, but when he himself is relaxing or “chilling” he’ll listen to something that better “fits the mood,” i.e. non-Crunk. Why? because Crunk’s sole and only function is to serve the club environment.
Three Six Mafia is not Crunk by their own admission, Lil Jon is the king of Crunk and represents the genre as such according to everyone and you sir are
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LMAO @ Your quotes. You quote Lil Jon almost each time (or quote about Lil Jon), who obviously makes the Crunk music you speak of. Then, you quote wikipedia, which states Memphis was the birthplace of Crunk. A source that also claims:
"Three 6 Mafia (formerly known as Triple Six Mafia), is the first hip hop group from Memphis, Tennessee to go platinum, the second hip-hop act to be nominated for and win an Oscar (1st was Eminem's "Lose Yourself"). They are the originators of certain types of crunk music. "
But, then you go ahead and contradict your source with a DJ Paul quote.
So let me show you a DJ Paul quote to "own" you:
"The rest of the album, however, is a wide-ranging mix - with Paul's experimental ideas sharing time with the thuggish Three 6 fans have come to love, with bass-heavy Memphis-syle beats and club shaking chants. "Jus Like Us" is a brutal broadside against heads that bite off the Three 6 style. "Barrin' You Bitches" combines addictive rhythms and infectious sounthern style textures. "Those are the crunk type of songs," Paul said. "
http://www.sonymusic.com/labels/loud/home/36mafianews.html
By his OWN admission they have Crunk tracks. Sorry.
Here's another source stating theyre the originators:
"They are famous for being pioneers of the crunk sound, as well as being the first rap artists from Memphis to go platinum."
http://www.artistopia.com/three-6-mafia
So yeah... Sorry dude.
DJ Paul: I get this question all the time, people have it confused. Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk” is fine. Our music was never called Crunk, it’s called Get Buck music. When we used the slang term ‘crunk,’ we mean, it's crowded. I just came out of the KFC and I would tell the people coming in, you might not want to go in there because it Crunk in there.
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Here's another person stating that Three Six are the Pioneers of Crunk.
When the originators of crunk (sorry, Lil Jon) Three Six Mafia win an Oscar and perform at the award show and the Smithsonian Institution announces the addition of a hip hop memorabilia collection at their National Museum of American History all within the space of a week, it seems pretty clear that the absolute co-option of hip hop culture into the mainstream is just about complete.
http://differentkitchen.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_differentkitchen_archive.html
"Charles Garrett says “Man you guys broke my f–kin heart. I love you guys. Your old s–t is too damn crunk but I hope you guys dont sellout."
http://blogspot.memphisrap.com/blog/memphisrap/2006/10/26/three-six-mafia-you-broke-my-fkin-heart/
Winners of Academy Award for their song "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp," the innovator of the "crunk" sounds of southern rap, and CEO of Hypnotize Minds, D.J. Paul and Juicy J kicks off the first ND Radio Urban show. They talk about their role as producers, rappers and most importantly advocates for Memphis music.
http://www.memphismusic.org/programs_NDRadio.asp
Juicy J Clarifying Buck Music:
"DJ Paul, another member of Three 6 Mafia who shares production credit and is also featured on the album breaks it down a little more. "The real folks know who we are from even before "Tear Da Club Up" and some of the people may just be up on it now." Juicy J traces a brief history of crunk music and why Three 6 Mafia was instrumental in its current popularity. "When you're in your own state you have your own sound. We first started calling it ‘buck music' then that changed to ‘crunk' music. In the mid eighties when the Memphis scene was crackin' it all started with "Trigga Man". Then we just started doing our own thing." DJ Paul adds, "Like with one of the songs on Lil' Wyte's album, "Hoods Run Down" we include different bass tones-especially for cars and car stereo competitions but on Lil' Wyte's album the song is also talking about how people run the hood down.""
http://www.asylumrecords.com/artists/lilwyte/
But to really crush you:
"I call it the ‘Watch what you wish for album’ cause we fussed about not being known and getting credit for our role in Hip-Hop being the pioneers of Crunk and at that time, 15 years in the game,” said DJ Paul, who was surprised at the reaction to “Poppin’ My Collar,” the group’s follow up to its hit lead single “Stay Fly.”"
Your quote states that the music was NEVER called Crunk. Not that he didn't consider it Crunk music. Yes, their definition of Crunk was different than that of Lil Jon, but that doesn't mean they WEREN'T Crunk, as stated in the above quote. I hope you're done now.
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I call it the ‘Watch what you wish for album’ cause we fussed about not being known and getting credit for our role in Hip-Hop being the pioneers of Crunk and at that time, 15 years in the game,” said DJ Paul,[/size] who was surprised at the reaction to “Poppin’ My Collar,” the group’s follow up to its hit lead single “Stay Fly.”"
Your quote states that the music was NEVER called Crunk. Not that he didn't consider it Crunk music. Yes, their definition of Crunk was different than that of Lil Jon, but that doesn't mean they WEREN'T Crunk, as stated in the above quote. I hope you're done now.
You are splitting hairs, there is only one kind of Crunk and you know it whether you admit it or not. Now provide the link for this quote of yours.
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^^give it up man, I am sick of seeing you get owned, you have nothing, you never had anything in this argument, take the L and move on.
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And since you seem to think Crunk is only for the Clubs and that I'm crazy to think otherwise:
"Those looking for crunk fight music need look no further than the rambunctious "Get Knocked The Fuck Out" or the rowdy "Posse Song (H.C.P.)." "
http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/2005_09_mebeingme.html
DJ Paul on Body Parts:
"Tear Da Club Up was the first Crunk fight song
I made that in 92 a lil not long"
http://www.lyricsclan.com/read.php?wow=1768545
Do I have to continue or do you want to look dumber? LMAO. I got two quotes directly shutting down your quote from Paul, which you didn't even comprehend correctly. hahahaha.
I JUST GOT OWNED
Yeah, I know you did. It's ok though. You couldn't do it on your own, not even Google helped you.
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You are splitting hairs, there is only one kind of Crunk and you know it whether you admit it or not. Now provide the link for this quote of yours.
Refer to my post before this for the "splitting" hairs part. Not only does another writer agree with me, but DJ Paul does as well. hahahahaha.
http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=6168
I JUST GOT OWNED
hahahahaha
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There you have it folks: Three Six Mafia originated Crunk back in 1992. There is such a thing as non-Club oriented Crunk, namely "Crunk Fight Music." And lastly, Efrain is an uneducated hater that has no knowledge of Southern Hip Hop, not even with the help of Google. hahahaha
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I think this Efrain guy should delete his account and start over :-X
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I think this Efrain guy should delete his account and start over :-X
:laugh:
I'm loving it. haha. Dude really thought he had something with that DJ Paul quote. :laugh:
He was probably like "I got him now!!!"
Then he got smashed and changed his tune real quick on some:
You are splitting hairs, there is only one kind of Crunk and you know it whether you admit it or not.
Which then got smashed again. haha.
Efrain: Don't take a test you haven't studied for... You'll fail. Just like this thread.
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Wow, Efrain, WOW.....
SGV unvirginized you
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I can’t believe you people are serious, he’s quoting lyrics from a song? LOL where’s the original quote you’ve got absolutely nothing!
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I can’t believe you people are serious, he’s quoting lyrics from a song? LOL where’s the original quote you’ve got absolutely nothing!
LMAO. What... we can't use a song? LMAO! You're kidding me right? Is that not proof of DJ Paul stating that they originated Crunk music? haha. Anyway, here's the links to everything that backs up what I've been telling you.
http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=6168
http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/2005_09_mebeingme.html
http://www.lyricsclan.com/read.php?wow=1768545
http://differentkitchen.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_differentkitchen_archive.html
http://blogspot.memphisrap.com/blog/memphisrap/2006/10/26/three-six-mafia-you-broke-my-fkin-heart/
http://www.memphismusic.org/programs_NDRadio.asp
http://www.asylumrecords.com/artists/lilwyte/
Just admit that you got ripped apart here. Why make this continue? What more do you want?
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SGV...i don't care about the SOUTH AS A WHOLE, and I do not care about the Origins of crunk or get buck music itself. I really don't give a fuck. I was simply stating, thats whatever Efrain was reffering to as his preference of music, is what i can agree with him on. No doubt that the south as a whole, is something your explaining. But i also don't care. For some reason though this makes us uneducated? You're smart, but pretty ignorant. Some people dont give a fuck about the whole south and the arguments of the origins of crunk, like me =].
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wow this argument looks like a waste of time lol
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Dude... Why are you even in this? LOL. I don't want to have to get into another 7 pages schooling someone else... Plain and simple. If you have a problem with Lil Jon and Ying Yang Twins... Cool. But, don't stereotype the entire South because of that. THAT makes you uneducated.
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My God...
Efrain just does not know when to quit, does he? From using Wikipedia to try and prove his points (which winds up just proving his ignorance instead) to misquoting people...ugh. This fool needs to learn when to put a sock in it.
The thing that's most retarded to me is that he continues to argue about the complexity of G-Funk compared to Crunk. Hey, Efrain, since you're into using Wikipedia to prove your points, have you seen what it says about G-Funk?
This genre was characterized by a generally hedonistic subject matter including violence, sex, and drug use, and a slurred “lazy drawl” that sacrificed lyrical complexity for clarity and rhythmic cadence.
Prior to the success of The Chronic, prominent groups of the golden age of hip hop such as Public Enemy and Native Tongues Posse, embraced more socially aware issues such as drug abuse, poverty, racism, and African American empowerment. Whereas rappers utilizing the G-funk sound essentially rapped about the gangsta subject matter that Dre's former group, N.W.A, had helped bring to the mainstream in the late 1980s. This led to some criticism from hip hop purists, who accused these rappers of "dumbing down" rap. In 1994, Chicago rapper Common released the song "I Used to Love H.E.R." on his album Resurrection; the track essentially summed up the sentiments of hip-hop purists, and received notable attention in the underground. It was this disillusionment with mainstream hip hop that led certain hip hop critics to enthusiastically embrace East Coast albums such as Black Moon's Enta Da Stage, The Wu-Tang Clan's Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (see 1993 in music), and Nas's and The Notorious B.I.G.'s respective debuts: Illmatic and Ready to Die (see 1994 in music). These successive releases were hailed as the beginning of an East Coast hip hop renaissance, that later included albums such as Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, The Infamous, Doe Or Die, and Reasonable Doubt. Ready to Die, in particular, established Bad Boy Records as a significant competitor against the West Coast hip hop scene led by Death Row Records.
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Dude... Why are you even in this? LOL. I don't want to have to get into another 7 pages schooling someone else... Plain and simple. If you have a problem with Lil Jon and Ying Yang Twins... Cool. But, don't stereotype the entire South because of that. THAT makes you uneducated.
Im still not talking bout the south as a whole....rofl?
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My God...
Efrain just does not know when to quit, does he? From using Wikipedia to try and prove his points (which winds up just proving his ignorance instead) to misquoting people...ugh. This fool needs to learn when to put a sock in it.
The thing that's most retarded to me is that he continues to argue about the complexity of G-Funk compared to Crunk. Hey, Efrain, since you're into using Wikipedia to prove your points, have you seen what it says about G-Funk?
This genre was characterized by a generally hedonistic subject matter including violence, sex, and drug use, and a slurred “lazy drawl” that sacrificed lyrical complexity for clarity and rhythmic cadence.
Prior to the success of The Chronic, prominent groups of the golden age of hip hop such as Public Enemy and Native Tongues Posse, embraced more socially aware issues such as drug abuse, poverty, racism, and African American empowerment. Whereas rappers utilizing the G-funk sound essentially rapped about the gangsta subject matter that Dre's former group, N.W.A, had helped bring to the mainstream in the late 1980s. This led to some criticism from hip hop purists, who accused these rappers of "dumbing down" rap. In 1994, Chicago rapper Common released the song "I Used to Love H.E.R." on his album Resurrection; the track essentially summed up the sentiments of hip-hop purists, and received notable attention in the underground. It was this disillusionment with mainstream hip hop that led certain hip hop critics to enthusiastically embrace East Coast albums such as Black Moon's Enta Da Stage, The Wu-Tang Clan's Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (see 1993 in music), and Nas's and The Notorious B.I.G.'s respective debuts: Illmatic and Ready to Die (see 1994 in music). These successive releases were hailed as the beginning of an East Coast hip hop renaissance, that later included albums such as Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, The Infamous, Doe Or Die, and Reasonable Doubt. Ready to Die, in particular, established Bad Boy Records as a significant competitor against the West Coast hip hop scene led by Death Row Records.
So according to wikipedia, g funk artists destroyed hiphop...
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My God...
Efrain just does not know when to quit, does he? From using Wikipedia to try and prove his points (which winds up just proving his ignorance instead) to misquoting people...ugh. This fool needs to learn when to put a sock in it.
The thing that's most retarded to me is that he continues to argue about the complexity of G-Funk compared to Crunk. Hey, Efrain, since you're into using Wikipedia to prove your points, have you seen what it says about G-Funk?
This genre was characterized by a generally hedonistic subject matter including violence, sex, and drug use, and a slurred “lazy drawl” that sacrificed lyrical complexity for clarity and rhythmic cadence.
Prior to the success of The Chronic, prominent groups of the golden age of hip hop such as Public Enemy and Native Tongues Posse, embraced more socially aware issues such as drug abuse, poverty, racism, and African American empowerment. Whereas rappers utilizing the G-funk sound essentially rapped about the gangsta subject matter that Dre's former group, N.W.A, had helped bring to the mainstream in the late 1980s. This led to some criticism from hip hop purists, who accused these rappers of "dumbing down" rap. In 1994, Chicago rapper Common released the song "I Used to Love H.E.R." on his album Resurrection; the track essentially summed up the sentiments of hip-hop purists, and received notable attention in the underground. It was this disillusionment with mainstream hip hop that led certain hip hop critics to enthusiastically embrace East Coast albums such as Black Moon's Enta Da Stage, The Wu-Tang Clan's Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (see 1993 in music), and Nas's and The Notorious B.I.G.'s respective debuts: Illmatic and Ready to Die (see 1994 in music). These successive releases were hailed as the beginning of an East Coast hip hop renaissance, that later included albums such as Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, The Infamous, Doe Or Die, and Reasonable Doubt. Ready to Die, in particular, established Bad Boy Records as a significant competitor against the West Coast hip hop scene led by Death Row Records.
So according to wikipedia, g funk artists destroyed hiphop...
Yeah, basically. Yet this is the same site that Efrain uses to defend his position that Crunk = bad, but G-Funk = good.
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SGV...i don't care about the SOUTH AS A WHOLE, and I do not care about the Origins of crunk or get buck music itself. I really don't give a fuck. I was simply stating, thats whatever Efrain was reffering to as his preference of music, is what i can agree with him on. No doubt that the south as a whole, is something your explaining. But i also don't care. For some reason though this makes us uneducated? You're smart, but pretty ignorant. Some people dont give a fuck about the whole south and the arguments of the origins of crunk, like me =].
Thank you, that’s all I’m trying to say here. Crunk isn’t all of southern rap, it isn’t all of the dirty south, it is its own unique exclusive brand.. that’s all.
Clearly this is an uphill battle and most of the people checking in with this thread have their minds made up on the subject so I suppose that really leaves me talking to the wall here (or casting pearls before swine) so I’ll take the hint the argument isn’t being heard and move on.
SGV, you’ve show me quotes from Three Six saying they pioneered the sound and have made some Crunk “type” records. So answer me this then, honestly. How do those two statements contradict the pervious ones where they said they are fine with “Lil Jon being the king of Crunk” and their overall style of music was never called Crunk?
In the quotes you showed me Three Six Mafia never said they were Crunk and they never said Lil Jon inst the king so how does that disprove the aforementioned statements?
I’m not even trying to be argumentative or even coy at this point I’m just wondering how you came to reconcile those.
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Im still not talking bout the south as a whole....rofl?
That's called a generality idiot. It was aimed at anyone who tries to stereotype the South by using a handfull of artists. You're impossible.
Thank you, that’s all I’m trying to say here. Crunk isn’t all of southern rap, it isn’t all of the dirty south, it is its own unique exclusive brand.. that’s all.
Nobody is saying Crunk is South Rap. LOL. Where are you getting that from? Are you seriously dumb?
Clearly this is an uphill battle and most of the people checking in with this thread have their minds made up on the subject so I suppose that really leaves me talking to the wall here (or casting pearls before swine) so I’ll take the hint the argument isn’t being heard and move on.
SGV, you’ve show me quotes from Three Six saying they pioneered the sound and have made some Crunk “type” records. So answer me this then, honestly. How do those two statements contradict the pervious ones where they said they are fine with “Lil Jon being the king of Crunk” and their overall style of music was never called Crunk?
In the quotes you showed me Three Six Mafia never said they were Crunk and they never said Lil Jon inst the king so how does that disprove the aforementioned statements?
I’m not even trying to be argumentative or even coy at this point I’m just wondering how you came to reconcile those.
Efrain, what you don't get is this: You're the only one trying to fight this battle. You've been beat. Everyone's agreed. But you continue. It's like beating a dead horse with you.
What does Lil Jon being the King of Crunk have to do with anything? You keep bringing that up like it's proving something. Yeah, so Paul has no problem with Lil Jon being called the King of Crunk. He's humble enough to not care. But, he obviously wants the credit for Pioneering Crunk music. Yes, we ALL know Memphis Rap was called Buck music. But, as Juicy J stated, it changed from being called Buck to Crunk. Hence, the origin of Crunk is still Buck, which Three Six originated.
The fact that they called Lil Jon the King of Crunk has nothing to do with anything. The fact that they state they originated Crunk means the most, as it destroys everything you tried to say here. That means that they consider themselves Crunk and that they made Crunk before Lil Jon (which means there's another side to Crunk that you have no clue of).
Is English not your first language? Why can't you grasp anything here?
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Dude... Why are you even in this? LOL. I don't want to have to get into another 7 pages schooling someone else... Plain and simple. If you have a problem with Lil Jon and Ying Yang Twins... Cool. But, don't stereotype the entire South because of that. THAT makes you uneducated.
generality? you were calling efrain and me uneducated. i think thats pretty specific on who you're talking to, but whatever
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southern rap is not crunk, crunk is not southern rap. they are different. a lot of crunk comes from the south, but not all of it. that hyphy shit is crunk. chamillionarie isnt crunk, lil wayne isnt either. hey are both from the osuth.
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Buddenz.. You're such an idiot! This is the last time I'll explain this to you:
You, nor Efrain apparently, have the knowledge of Crunk Music, or even the bigger picture, Southern Hip Hop, to know what's really going on. You guys don't know the history. But, you guys are trying to converse about it. That makes YOU (meaning, anyone who does this action) uneducated.
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I would like to know SGV, whats real rap/hiphop according to you?
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What does Lil Jon being the King of Crunk have to do with anything?
Lil Jon being the king of Crunk has everything to do with everything.
If Lil Jon is the undisputed “King of Crunk” by his peers in Southern rap and by the fans that support the music then he; at the very least, represents the majority of the Crunk music hip-hop sub-genre. And if Lil Jon (being the representative of the majority of Crunk) says the music is for the clubs, only for the clubs and that he could really care less about lyrics, complexity or anything else that doesn’t get the club excited then it is a fair statement that the majority of Crunk music is devoid of those musical and artistic elements the artists themselves admit aren’t there.
You have argued with me tooth and nail about that. For what?, it is a true statement. Now is ALL of “Crunk” music like that? Maybe not (I’ve never heard otherwise but I’ll take your word for it) and is all of southern rap lacking the musical elements that Crunk admits to lacking? Abso-fucking-lutely not. That’s my entire point.
Now when we talk about g-funk being (or not being) comparable to Crunk all I’m saying is g-funk contained more musical elements and is more dynamic in versatility than Crunk. That’s it. Is g-funk better? No! No one can answer that it’s a musical preference. Could g-funk be played in a wider variety of listening venues? Well, I would argue that point is debatable. That’s all.
It would seem to me that you are reasonably bright and have a fair working knowledge of hip-hop and rap. So why reduce yourself to arguing for the artistic merits of a musical sub-genre its own artists admit it lacks?
I’ll concede your point that more than likely not every single artist making “Crunk” records is as homogenized as the majority, that’s fine I can see that. But the reality is that the majority of Crunk as a whole is in fact designed for the clubs and limited in that regard. Lil Jon said it, he is the undeniable "King of Crunk" and the representative for the majority and that’s just how it is.
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Buddenz.. You're such an idiot! This is the last time I'll explain this to you:
You, nor Efrain apparently, have the knowledge of Crunk Music, or even the bigger picture, Southern Hip Hop, to know what's really going on. You guys don't know the history. But, you guys are trying to converse about it. That makes YOU (meaning, anyone who does this action) uneducated.
ROFL? i did not even debate you, nor do i need to. So sad how your now attacking me after i question you. Someone is a little sensitive. Mr smart guy just cant take a simple comment here n there? How was i trying to converse anything? you wanna defend a topic beyond anything i mentioned. Eh, but sure you are right, im a huge idiot. lmao
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Lil Jon being the king of Crunk has everything to do with everything.
If Lil Jon is the undisputed “King of Crunk” by his peers in Southern rap and by the fans that support the music then he; at the very least, represents the majority of the Crunk music hip-hop sub-genre. And if Lil Jon (being the representative of the majority of Crunk) says the music is for the clubs, only for the clubs and that he could really care less about lyrics, complexity or anything else that doesn’t get the club excited then it is a fair statement that the majority of Crunk music is devoid of those musical and artistic elements the artists themselves admit aren’t there.
No. Snoop is considered the King of the West Coast by many, but he DOES NOT represent the majority of that Genre. So that way of thinking is absurd.
You have argued with me tooth and nail about that. For what?, it is a true statement. Now is ALL of “Crunk” music like that? Maybe not (I’ve never heard otherwise but I’ll take your word for it) and is all of southern rap lacking the musical elements that Crunk admits to lacking? Abso-fucking-lutely not. That’s my entire point.
You are UNEDUCATED. It's been proven to you that there's other sides to Crunk, yet you ignore it because YOU never heard otherwise. Well of course you haven't, you are not educated on Southern Music, Crunk Music, Buck Music, Bounce Music, Bass Music, Screw Music etc. etc. to even know whats going on.
Now when we talk about g-funk being (or not being) comparable to Crunk all I’m saying is g-funk contained more musical elements and is more dynamic in versatility than Crunk. That’s it. Is g-funk better? No! No one can answer that it’s a musical preference. Could g-funk be played in a wider variety of listening venues? Well, I would argue that point is debatable. That’s all.
Again, Crunk is more than just your Lil Jon's. You are still being one track minded and not accepting the fact that there's other types of Crunk beyond what Lil Jon does.
It would seem to me that you are reasonably bright and have a fair working knowledge of hip-hop and rap. So why reduce yourself to arguing for the artistic merits of a musical sub-genre its own artists admit it lacks?
You're only using the merits of ONE artist.
I’ll concede your point that more than likely not every single artist making “Crunk” records is as homogenized as the majority, that’s fine I can see that. But the reality is that the majority of Crunk as a whole is in fact designed for the clubs and limited in that regard. Lil Jon said it, he is the undeniable "King of Crunk" and the representative for the majority and that’s just how it is.
Lil Jon is your only defense, as we can tell. His being the King of Crunk means as much as Snoop being the King of the West... Something to a some, nothing to others. DJ Paul and Juicy J have demanded their props for starting the Crunk trend, they don't have a problem with Lil Jon being called the King of Crunk because they know their place in history.
ROFL? i did not even debate you, nor do i need to. So sad how your now attacking me after i question you. Someone is a little sensitive. Mr smart guy just cant take a simple comment here n there? How was i trying to converse anything? you wanna defend a topic beyond anything i mentioned. Eh, but sure you are right, im a huge idiot. lmao
You're co-signing everything Efrain is saying then you try to elaborate for him. You are commenting. You are debating. You are defending. Nobody is attacking. You popped up outta nowhere and started on your little tirade, so I simply stated that sense you agree with someone who's uneducated on this topic, you are too. You got hurt and continued to post random stupidity.
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I would like to know SGV, whats real rap/hiphop according to you?
Anything from Sugar Hill Gang to G-Unit. Zulu Nation to Dipset. Kurtis Blow to Snoop Dogg. Grandmaster Flash to Lil Jon. Biz Markie to Talib Kweli.
It's not that it's real. It's just plain HIP HOP.
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this thread is still goin? Fuck Hip Hop, I'mma go listen to Panic at the Disco.
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Jesus Christ, it takes a man to admit he was wrong.
SGV schooled y'all, now man up!
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SGV won
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All but one person has agreed with this character, but he has the nerve to still go on as if the entire world is wrong and he's right. Dogg! I've showed you DJ Paul talking about their type of Crunk Music. I've showed other writers talk about a different style of Crunk Music. I've showed you proof that Three Six originated Crunk Music. I've basically shut down everything you've said thus far and you continue. Plain and simple, it's over. Efrain, you've proved nothing but ignorance to Crunk and more over Southern Rap as a whole. You've done a wonderful cut and paste job, but you've showed no true knowledge to the Music.
For you to down Crunk Music, you should at least understand the music and where it came from. In your mind it came from Atlanta. But, any dope that's listened to Hip Hop since the Mid 90s knows exactly where it came from. Hell, to even take a step farther, Memphis was the original birthplace of Crunk, but it got it's influence from Queens. How so? In one of those links, DJ Paul mentions Triggerman. Do you even know what that is? No. Of course not. Buggs Can Can and Triggerman were a duo from Queens known as The Showboys. They later went to Memphis where they blew up with "Drag Rap" which people later called "Triggerman." That song influenced not only the Memphis sound, but the New Orleans sound as well.
Seriously, I'm all day with this. At least you now admit that Southern Music is seperate from your thoughts (while ignorant, they are your own) on Crunk. But you need to realize that Lil Jon's Crunk and the Crunk of others (Pastor Troy, Three Six Mafia, Ball & G) is completely different. You need to realize you're downing one side of a Sub-Genre. Once you realize that, you'll be able to pass this crash course on Southern Hip Hop's Crunk scene.
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If Lil Jon is the undisputed “King of Crunk” by his peers in Southern rap and by the fans that support the music then he; at the very least, represents the majority of the Crunk music hip-hop sub-genre.
Of course they're gonna say that because he is by far the HIGHEST-SELLING Crunk artist (please notice I didn't say "rapper") out there. It's hardly an opinion so much as a fact from a commercial standpoint - if one nigga's on top, how they gon deny that he's "King" in that respect?
That doesn't mean he represents the "majority" of Crunk, cause as SGV has pointed it out, it has its own range and pool of talent that can stand toe-to-toe with any G-Funk rapper you esteem.
Now when we talk about g-funk being (or not being) comparable to Crunk all I’m saying is g-funk contained more musical elements and is more dynamic in versatility than Crunk. That’s it. Is g-funk better? No! No one can answer that it’s a musical preference. Could g-funk be played in a wider variety of listening venues? Well, I would argue that point is debatable. That’s all.
And that is complete bullshit. G-Funk is known just as much for being club/party music as you think Crunk is. G-Funk is definitely not more "dynamic" than Crunk; it is not socially conscious or even the most creative type of hip-hop out there. For you to give G-Funk ANYTHING close to a free pass (saying it has "more musical elements" or is "more dynamic") while criticizing Crunk, is just not fair, and downright retarded.
Come on, now, you quoted Wikipedia saying that all Crunk is mindless and intelligent, and yet you're gonna ignore the fact that the Wikipedia G-Funk article says the EXACT SAME THING?
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i stated that he pretty much could give two fucks about the south as a whole which you failed to see. So still this makes me an idiot. And this also makes me uneducated for pointing out the fact that you were bringing up arguments that had nothing to do with some peoples opinions....you're still not making sense with me sorry. =/
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Buddenz... You idiot:
SGV...i don't care about the SOUTH AS A WHOLE, and I do not care about the Origins of crunk or get buck music itself. I really don't give a fuck.
You only want to discuss part of Southern music, but you want to sweep it's origin (which has a lot to do with what we were conversing about) under the rug. THAT makes you uneducated.
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SGV won
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lmao all bcuz i dont wanna join YOUR topic im uneducated? wow...you're really good at this.
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For you to not get it after its been explained so many times proves how uneducated you are.
One last time: Efrain was talking down on Crunk (mainly Lil Jon) as he had no clue about other types of Crunk music. I brought that to his attention. Since he was generalizing about a Genre he had no clue about, I called him uneducated. You came in co-signing and trying to explain his side, and made an ignorant statement like: i don't care about the SOUTH AS A WHOLE, and I do not care about the Origins of crunk or get buck music itself. I really don't give a fuck.
That TOO makes you uneducated as you want to discuss something but not discuss it's history, which what the entire discussion is about. It's not about you not wanting to join the discussion, it's you not knowing what the discussion is about that makes you uneducated.
Do you get it now moron?
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lmao all bcuz i dont wanna join YOUR topic im uneducated? wow...you're really good at this.
It's not worth it man. Every time Crunk is brought up SGV starts talking about southern rap in Atlanta or Brooklyn or whatever nonsense he regurgitates from his defjam history of hip-hop book. Notice how he keeps bringing up southern rap as a whole when no one is talking about it? Go back and look at his history of posts search the word "south" and "g-funk" the guys a fucking mess, talk about a hater lol. ::)
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It's not worth it man. Every time Crunk is brought up SGV starts talking about southern rap in Atlanta or Brooklyn or whatever nonsense he regurgitates from his defjam history of hip-hop book. Notice how he keeps bringing up southern rap as a whole when no one is talking about it? Go back and look at his history of posts search the word "south" and "g-funk" the guys a fucking mess, talk about a hater lol. ::)
The bottom line is southern, but primarily "crunk" music is the lowest common denominator in appealing music; overly simplified, consistent instrumentation with lyrics devoid of anything that evokes sentiment, cognitive processing or reflection. When a person hears this type of music they react to it the same way you would the sound of the ocean or a busy city: soothing or jarring. It’s why so many Crunk artists yell and make animal noises, its because it doesn’t require any mental processing for the listener to absorb. In essence it’s easy listening hip-hop music, and while it may be popular it will never be remembered for the things it isn’t: highly musical, artistically redeeming and creatively innovative.
You brought up Southern and Crunk in the same sentence, I merely responded. Lil Jon is something YOU brought up, which lead into the discussion of Crunk's origin to prove that you had no clue of the genre. Again, I merely responded. So, how are you going to say it's me, when you brought them up first? haha. Seriously, did you even take your own advice? Had you entered this conversation with anything type of knowledge, you wouldn't be getting shitted on.
By the way, I do not use History Books. Nor do I need Wikipedia/Google to gain my knowledge on Hip Hop (cough Efrain cough). This is a decade plus of listening to Hip Hop.
Go back and look at your history of posts and look how stupid you've looked each time. You're a fucking mess. Talk about being an idiot. lol ::)
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Go back and look at your history of posts and look how stupid you've looked each time. You're a fucking mess. Talk about being an idiot. lol ::)
Hush now, I’m not mad at you SGV, I understand why you can’t admit to Crunk being what it is. After reading your endless history of vitriolic diatribes against g-funk its clear arguing on behalf of southern rap and abhorring g-funk is the only thing that gives your life purpose. How many threads SGV? How many posts?
One can only imagine, if you were to realize Crunk is in fact everything I said it is you would probably throw yourself off a building. I think it's time get out more man, take up some hobbies with substance maybe meet a girl because after reading the crap you’ve been writing on this board for years I’m genuinely concerned for you. Seriously :-\
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Hush now, I’m not mad at you SGV, I understand why you can’t admit to Crunk being what it is. After reading your endless history of vitriolic diatribes against g-funk its clear arguing on behalf of southern rap and abhorring g-funk is the only thing that gives your life purpose. How many threads SGV? How many posts?
One can only imagine, if you were to realize Crunk is in fact everything I said it is you would probably throw yourself off a building. I think it's time get out more man, take up some hobbies with substance maybe meet a girl because after reading the crap you’ve been writing on this board for years I’m genuinely concerned for you. Seriously :-\
Sounds like you're a sore loser. haha. G-Funk vs. Crunk has been discussed already. You lost that discussion. Everything you've said about Crunk has no merit. You know clue about the genre. As for "getting out more" and "taking up some hobbies." My posts either come from work (where I'm on my cell) or from school. Not to mention, today marks the 6th month I've been with my lady. What else do you have for me to shut down? LOL. Everything you say doesn't even get off the ground. haha.
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Hush now, I’m not mad at you SGV, I understand why you can’t admit to Crunk being what it is. After reading your endless history of vitriolic diatribes against g-funk its clear arguing on behalf of southern rap and abhorring g-funk is the only thing that gives your life purpose. How many threads SGV? How many posts?
For the last fucking time, bitch, NOBODY IS HATING ON G-FUNK. The only thing SGV and I are doing is trying to prove to you that you cannot criticize one without criticizing the other. As a true hip-hop head, SGV and I both respect G-Funk and the contributions its artists made to the genre. But we also do the same to Crunk...which is what you're NOT doing.
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SGV you still have no point with me lmao.
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SGV you still have no point with me lmao.
Simple logic goes over your head. Sorry.
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Yeah Atlanta is really running the rap industry when the wackest song ever made came from that city last year. Just looks like a bunch of jealousy to me