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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Noname on November 07, 2006, 01:43:14 PM
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Do you support the war on terror?
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Lol I mean come on, we all know that the only people to genuinely answer yes are going to be real american and trauma I can't think of too many others that idiotic that they would answer yes.
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haha
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I don't know what to think anymore.
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it's all a war of lies, not a war on terror
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it's all a war of lies, not a war on terror
Yeah thats what I am starting to think, thats why I honestly dont know what to think, all of this is a fuckin mess.
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I kind of do support having a war on terror but not how George W. Bush is handling the whole thing.
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go vote.
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i support terrorism everytime a 20 dollar bag of marijuana is purchased from my supplier
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A war on terrorism is the stupidest shit I've ever heard of. I said it in 2001, and I say it now. You can't win a war against something that's been going on since the beginning of civilization.
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i'ma have to support terrorists not because of their agenda or anything like that, but because I want most americans who believe anything from media to live in fear.
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I look at like this, on the surface you are right saying that the notion of a war on terror is ridiculous and stupid but when you scratch underneath the surface you realise that of course it was meant to be thjs way, a war on terror by it's very nature is a war which can not be won, perpetual war is something which has been written about in books for a long time and the excuse for it arrived. It works on so many levels, first of all the military contractors, their no bid contracts for reconstruction, it creates the illusion that the western world is actually underseige. it lays the foundations for people to live in a state of fear and thus allows a police state to be formed because people surrender civil liberties in the distorted mindset that sacrificing these rights and accepting total intrusion will somehow keep people safe, only it's a paradox you can't have safety without civil liberties. People have lost sight of the fact that the entity with true power is the state.
Under the guise of security Bush has signed the military commissions bill rendering anyone of you enemy combatants if you step out of line. Let's face it that is what the bill does, it talks about material support, well the whole purpose of this is to be ambiguous by simply distributing copies of documentaries, posting articles your actions could be deemed to be providing material support for terrorists. I don't want to go into the military commissions bill in too much depth because it's available to read for anyone that wants to. Furthermore a war on terrorism consolidates power, both from a political perspective because in times of perceived war there is if you like an unwavering support for a hardline draconian ideology and those that oppose such a stance only oppose silently. However I also mean from the point of view of the western business giants consolidating their power. For example control of all the major oil reserves means control of the oil and control of the oil means control of the price. If you look at Afghanistan and Iraq the oil benefits are obvous, there is also the matter of the exponential growth in opium production in Afghanistan which if you accept that the CIA are the ones that have been flooding americas ghettoes with crack, then it's not hard to get your head around the idea that a meteoric rise in opium production is actually to the benefit of the elite.
I really shouldnt be labeling people idiotic (other than real american and trauma of course) because it's not even that, I guess it's the belief that the american government is good. I will also add that after September 11 I was brainwashed into believing that it was right for america to attack Afghanistan I was tricked into being suckered in by the heightened sense of fear and urgency that Iraq might actually be this deadly threat. Then however I listened to an interview I believe it was on the channel 4 news with the former U.N weapons inspector Scott Ritter who was casting serious doubts on the claims that Iraq had been a threat since the early nineties and cited his own experience and the many reports commissioned by the U.N ridiculing the notion that Saddam was a major threat from that point on I realised it was time I started reading and then the more I read the more I realised, shit this is pure illusion.
Furthermore real acts of terror can not be stopped anyway you can force people to have cameras put in their homes, to have their DNA kept on a database. to have all of their records amalgamated onto a huge database it would not prevent someone from walking into a shop and blowing themselves up. Hence the whole thing is one complete illusion and is the smokescreen for a power grab and despotism, completely changing the political and social fabric of society.
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virtuoso you would kill a political science major, straight up.
Btw, that idea of perpetual war I know its a Hobbesian/realist idea, you got a refenerence for that not so much in a modern (Chomsky vs Bush)context but as a political theory?
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i support terrorism everytime a 20 dollar bag of marijuana is purchased from my supplier
damn i just realised i havent smoked up in a minute! FUCK!
exams are a bitch..
and i support the war on terror, but i dont support the war in iraq... there is no such thing as a war on terror. unless there is a country called terror, where all the terrorists live.
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and i support the war on terror, but i dont support the war in iraq... there is no such thing as a war on terror. unless there is a country called terror, where all the terrorists live.
:laugh:
exams are a beyatch, had one yesterday so today was the intermission, got high and gorged on kebabs now i got that 'was high but not anymore' docile sloth in a tree reality seeping back in feelin'...
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Yes there certainly are, here are a few books to definitely read Francis Fukuyama’s The End of History and the Last Man really gives you an insight into the notion of perpetual war and just as importantly check out Leo Strauss' On Tyranny. The second book is a truly chilling book where the ordinary citizen in his eyes should have no natural freedom the ruling elite should view the citizen as the surordinate or the slave and that the citizen should be seen to know their place. However before you do so his most famous as far as I know anyway is Natural Right and History that is probably the best insight into his mindsight and the ideology which is governing the way the elite are conducting society.
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and i support the war on terror, but i dont support the war in iraq... there is no such thing as a war on terror. unless there is a country called terror, where all the terrorists live.
:laugh:
exams are a beyatch, had one yesterday so today was the intermission, got high and gorged on kebabs now i got that 'was high but not anymore' docile sloth in a tree reality seeping back in feelin'...
yeah i see what you sayin... i think :eh: ;D 8)
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The biggest terrorists in the world are people who apply this term (WAR ON TERROR) selectively, to acts of mere self-defense/retaliation by those whose means fall short in comparison to their own.
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The biggest terrorists in the world are people who apply this term (WAR ON TERROR) selectively, to acts of mere self-defense/retaliation by those whose means fall short in comparison to their own.
You opinion can't be taken seriously after the Israel/Lebanon discussions
And yeah, the war on terror is bullshit. The only reason there is terror is because the ppl who "fight it" perpetuate it. The problem isn't the terrorists, it's the people who create the terrorists by fucking over countries.
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virtuoso you would kill a political science major, straight up.
Btw, that idea of perpetual war I know its a Hobbesian/realist idea, you got a refenerence for that not so much in a modern (Chomsky vs Bush)context but as a political theory?
ahaha, not all political science majors are stool pigeons ;)
i guess neo realism would be the best account for the idea of a perpetual war. the whole concept of an international system defined by anarchy and actions defined by state interests that are derived from realism, but unlike realism they dont believe States are the only actors on the political stage. hence, the "terrorists".
i dont know how much coverage post modernist and critical thinking gets in the united states. but some of those theories really explain how such interests are defined, the formation of "narratives", etc etc.
Read a little bit about James Der Derian.
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The biggest terrorists in the world is my country
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I meant to give this title to the U.S.
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The war on terror is a hoax. It's a manufactured enemy. Sure, there is resistance to America's policies abroad, but it's been biult up to be way more than it real is, the product of a sensationalized media in bed with right wing politicians and benefiting off the naivety of Christian fundamentalists.
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we dont even really have a choice...
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A country like United States cannot survive without terrorism. Its like the story of the super hero and the villian, you gotta have one for the other.
Not only they LIED big time about what they're going after but they werent even smart enough to figure out the real problem. INstead of going after Iraq, they should have helped Iranians overthrow the Islamic gov't. Now they dont even have the ability to do shit to Iran even though they want to.
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A country like United States cannot survive without terrorism. Its like the story of the super hero and the villian, you gotta have one for the other.
That's a pretty good point. Because since America is the global power right now their biggest concern is stability so they claim that there's an enemy out there called "terrorism" that is threatening global security and the safety of the world, which is just code words for saying they are threatening American hegemony.
Not only they LIED big time about what they're going after but they werent even smart enough to figure out the real problem. INstead of going after Iraq, they should have helped Iranians overthrow the Islamic gov't. Now they dont even have the ability to do shit to Iran even though they want to.
^^How is Iran the real problem? Please explain how Iran is a problem? Because they want to improve the technology and military capabilities? If that is a problem then nearly every country in history is giulty of it.
...Even as you speak against George Bush you speak with the same toungue as him.
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Yeah i support it of course,because i luv to see the u.s soldiers's caps gettin' peeled during the dinner.
I luv Amerikkka for the entertainment,straight up.
Beside this i think u.s.a is a joke....like i always thought.
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lol
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^^How is Iran the real problem? Please explain how Iran is a problem? Because they want to improve the technology and military capabilities? If that is a problem then nearly every country in history is giulty of it.
...Even as you speak against George Bush you speak with the same toungue as him.
The Iran issue is honestly something real deep and very long to explain but it was because of the US and British involvement in our politics since WW2. THen when US got out of it right after the 79 Islamic revolution, thats where the root of the problem started. They let that gov't exist and now its too late to change. There is nothing the ordinary people with no weapons can do in a dictatorship. US actually tried and they helped Sadaam kill our soldiers and civilians, but the Iranian army didn't let the invasion happen. But anyway thats a long story...
The point is if US invested their money and power into freeing iranians, it would have been to their benefit. Iran would have been a good strong ally for US in the region. Also iranians are open minded, intelligent and pro-democracy just like they were before the 79 revolution. The country in itself is a huge market for many major companies. See there are no copyright laws and therefore major corporations dont make money off of 70 million people. Think about how much money they're missing out. So its little things like that would help the world if Iran was a country it was before the 79 revolution. The gov't now is corrupted and no room for growth, there are lots of untapped resources that need attention.
With the technology today, sooner or later Iran will have a nuclear or even worse weapon that might cause a threat to a weakened empire like the united states.
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^^How is Iran the real problem? Please explain how Iran is a problem? Because they want to improve the technology and military capabilities? If that is a problem then nearly every country in history is giulty of it.
...Even as you speak against George Bush you speak with the same toungue as him.
The Iran issue is honestly something real deep and very long to explain but it was because of the US and British involvement in our politics since WW2. THen when US got out of it right after the 79 Islamic revolution, thats where the root of the problem started. They let that gov't exist and now its too late to change. There is nothing the ordinary people with no weapons can do in a dictatorship. US actually tried and they helped Sadaam kill our soldiers and civilians, but the Iranian army didn't let the invasion happen. But anyway thats a long story...
The point is if US invested their money and power into freeing iranians, it would have been to their benefit. Iran would have been a good strong ally for US in the region. Also iranians are open minded, intelligent and pro-democracy just like they were before the 79 revolution. The country in itself is a huge market for many major companies. See there are no copyright laws and therefore major corporations dont make money off of 70 million people. Think about how much money they're missing out. So its little things like that would help the world if Iran was a country it was before the 79 revolution. The gov't now is corrupted and no room for growth, there are lots of untapped resources that need attention.
With the technology today, sooner or later Iran will have a nuclear or even worse weapon that might cause a threat to a weakened empire like the united states.
You still didn't answer my question. How is Iran "the real problem"?
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
that would be me
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
well u fucks are a cancer
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
He keeps it real and thats why most people like him. Better than the bullshit your politicians feed the world. Everything is a mistake, they bomb your house on mistake. ::) ::)
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The WAR(sic) is Phony!
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it's all a war of lies, not a war on terror
exactly. and iraq 9/11 was all a plan.gettin oil to save up surplus for the bigger war with the whole middle east or vs the communist countries (North Korea, China)
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it's all a war of lies, not a war on terror
exactly. and iraq 9/11 was all a plan.gettin oil to save up surplus for the bigger war with the whole middle east or vs the communist countries (North Korea, China)
REAL talk
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
He keeps it real and thats why most people like him. Better than the bullshit your politicians feed the world. Everything is a mistake, they bomb your house on mistake. ::) ::)
iran aint gangsta like North Korea hahaha if iran gangsta than North Korea the mutha fuckin don
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
how about Isreal's modern day holocaust and aparthied of the Palestinian people.
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yes i do
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
He keeps it real and thats why most people like him. Better than the bullshit your politicians feed the world. Everything is a mistake, they bomb your house on mistake. ::) ::)
iran aint gangsta like North Korea hahaha if iran gangsta than North Korea the mutha fuckin don
umm..north korea is poor as shit and they APOLOGIZED for testing a fake nuclear bomb. Yea thats real gangsta as opposed to iran not backing down on anything they said
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U give a shit only cause they are Muslims, admit it, u wanna get some "convert Muslim"-credit points at the mosque. I don't remember you condemning the U.S massacres throughout latin america with such vigour which is ironic being that you live in the U.S.
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
He keeps it real and thats why most people like him. Better than the bullshit your politicians feed the world. Everything is a mistake, they bomb your house on mistake. ::) ::)
iran aint gangsta like North Korea hahaha if iran gangsta than North Korea the mutha fuckin don
umm..north korea is poor as shit and they APOLOGIZED for testing a fake nuclear bomb. Yea thats real gangsta as opposed to iran not backing down on anything they said
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economy is poor but all in all everythin else is good. they apologized for testing the bomb. it wasnt fake, and the gate way for iran to get nuclear weapons is north korea.
not backin down on anything they said? how come they havnt declared war on israel or the US when they sed they wanted to demolish the israeli state.
north korean fools round with the world because it knows it can. iraq, iran, and north korea were both labeled the axis of evil by president bush, and when iraq was suspected of nuclear weapons (truth or conspiracy) they invaded iraq. but for instance north korea has been makin nuclear weapons is and went out to the public that it has functional medium range missles and the US does nothing, but talks. the N.K. refuses UN sanctions and inspectors.
iran also lacks an alliance with a super power which north korea has with china.
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A problem? why problem? I love Iran, don't we all just LOVE Iran folks?
I know some people here that nearly climax each time Ahmedinijad blabbers something about how "there was no holocaust" and how "Israel is a cancer".
He keeps it real and thats why most people like him. Better than the bullshit your politicians feed the world. Everything is a mistake, they bomb your house on mistake. ::) ::)
iran aint gangsta like North Korea hahaha if iran gangsta than North Korea the mutha fuckin don
umm..north korea is poor as shit and they APOLOGIZED for testing a fake nuclear bomb. Yea thats real gangsta as opposed to iran not backing down on anything they said
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economy is poor but all in all everythin else is good. they apologized for testing the bomb. it wasnt fake, and the gate way for iran to get nuclear weapons is north korea.
not backin down on anything they said? how come they havnt declared war on israel or the US when they sed they wanted to demolish the israeli state.
north korean fools round with the world because it knows it can. iraq, iran, and north korea were both labeled the axis of evil by president bush, and when iraq was suspected of nuclear weapons (truth or conspiracy) they invaded iraq. but for instance north korea has been makin nuclear weapons is and went out to the public that it has functional medium range missles and the US does nothing, but talks. the N.K. refuses UN sanctions and inspectors.
iran also lacks an alliance with a super power which north korea has with china.
First of all, Iran doesnt wanna war, they have another agenda that you and I know nothing about, trust me. Dont write some shit like you think you know whats going on over there. Where is your info come from? CNN, FOX and other american medias?
Anyway, Iran is gonna go all out when it comes to war, just like the iraq war. Its countries like US and Israel that dont want none. Iran can easily hit many US stations in iraq, afghanistan and in the persian gulf. Iran has nothing to lose really, its Israel and US that have everything to lose. Besides why does US & Israel go together? LOL..he said for Israel to disappear, not USA.
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i see whether or not if they dont want war, if they wanna see israel dissappear than they gotta do it themselves or sum muslim country like syria or sumthin and if that happens the US will back up israel and it would juz go into WW3.
Of course iran can hit US station vice versa the US can hit Irans military bases.
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yes i do
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yes i do
Infidel
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Whats the point of Iran over throwing the Islaim Republic government? being america's ally wont last long nor would itreally happen UNLESS just like in most countries it implies THEIR policies on the country and make sure the leader is not only a bitch, but a puppet to the united states...which our president is not and a reason why we can actually feed our country and speak about the truth when it comes to america and not give a damn what threats Israel, USA, or UN makes. I could care less about our government Iran is Gangsta.....we aint as strict as alot of those arab countries.
I wouldnt mind a diff government in Iran....but i sure as fuck dont think we need america's help, it wont be our benefit in the long run most likely. =/ im so tired, nap time
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Whats the point of Iran over throwing the Islaim Republic government? being america's ally wont last long nor would itreally happen UNLESS just like in most countries it implies THEIR policies on the country and make sure the leader is not only a bitch, but a puppet to the united states...which our president is not and a reason why we can actually feed our country and speak about the truth when it comes to america and not give a damn what threats Israel, USA, or UN makes. I could care less about our government Iran is Gangsta.....we aint as strict as alot of those arab countries.
I wouldnt mind a diff government in Iran....but i sure as fuck dont think we need america's help, it wont be our benefit in the long run most likely. =/ im so tired, nap time
there is no point of iran over throwing its own government and it wont happen unless the people want it to and revolt. any country can get over thrown by its own people if their will is straong enuff, but i doubt iran's people would want their country to change to western democracy or the rest of the middle east