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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Quadruple OG on December 07, 2006, 04:33:36 PM
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http://www.myspace.com/monieandpooch
go to Monie Vs Jeezy
They having a discussion about why hip hop is head...Jeezy gets real offended and brings up Nas for no reason and is trying to defend the notion that hip hop ain't dead. I was listening to it live, and it was crazy, especially once he got pissed off and left
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No matter how hard he denies it, "Hip Hop is dead" was aimed at the south, and it seems like Nas is losing more and more respect down there each passing day. He needs 2 get a hip hop is dead remix with some southern artists or something, coz lets face it, if the south dont buy your cd, your gona flop hard.
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How in the fuck is it aimed at the south? South catching feelings is nothing but them having a guilty conscience. Besides Nas been doing songs with southern artists - see Luda and Scarface. He doesn't need to do anything.
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How in the fuck is it aimed at the south? South catching feelings is nothing but them having a guilty conscience. Besides Nas been doing songs with southern artists - see Luda and Scarface. He doesn't need to do anything.
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I think Young Jeezy has a guilty conscience, cuz nigga is wack as fuck. IMFO.
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I think Nas meant the hip hop industry (and that is what it has turned into) is dead. The artform and everything that comes along with it. With that said, Nas contradicts himself more than any hip hop artist with his statements and the south is running things. I don't know if he has made any comments about specific rappers in the south but they are on top right now so that is why they probably felt he meant the south.
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So its just a coincidence, that he makes a track called hip hop is dead as soon as the south is on top? bullshit, he was talking bout the south imo.
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So its just a coincidence, that he makes a track called hip hop is dead as soon as the south is on top? bullshit, he was talking bout the south imo.
Well apparently you haven't read any of his interviews about why he named his album that. He blames himself, other rappers, mtv/bet, but mostly business / capitalism. Never has he once said "Ths south killed hip hop". Like I said, if the people in the south are offended that he would say that, it's cuz they feel guilty.
http://www.youtube.com/v/vOzUqx_F_5g
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monie love ethered jeezy
"Monie in the middle" & "its a shame" > anything Jeezy will ever do
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wether hip hop is dead or not dead what is Young Jeezy's opinion worth?
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I think Young Jeezy has a guilty conscience, cuz nigga is wack as fuck. IMFO.
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Jeezy had a very valid point. But this "Hip Hop is Dead" phrase can be taken in many different contexts....
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arent they on the same label?
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I think Young Jeezy has a guilty conscience, cuz nigga is wack as fuck. IMFO.
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How in the fuck is it aimed at the south? South catching feelings is nothing but them having a guilty conscience. Besides Nas been doing songs with southern artists - see Luda and Scarface. He doesn't need to do anything.
Exactly...and if you listen to the new CD Nas sheds some light on it. I can't think of the exact lyrics right now or the song but it's on there. I'm gonna listen to the album again and then I'll post the lyrics.
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But without explanation, it can be considered a shot at the South. Someone brought up Luda's name here... Even Luda is wearing shirts saying "Hip Hop Ain't Dead, It's Alive In The South."
Are you saying Luda has a guilty conscience? He put out one of the best records this year. As did Jeezy. As did T.I. So when someone says Hip Hop is dead and these are the guys that are on top, are they going to feel disrespected? Sure.
It's like saying "Hip Hop is dead now that you guys are on top."
It's not that the South is catching felings. It's not that they have a guilty conscience, cuz shit Nas has put out trash shit too. It's that Nas came out with a bold statement and no initial reason why it was being made. Since he didn't clairfy, it was open to interpretation. It was interpreted as a diss to the South. Nas knew the contraversy the title would cause, that's why he put it out there.
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But without explanation, it can be considered a shot at the South. Someone brought up Luda's name here... Even Luda is wearing shirts saying "Hip Hop Ain't Dead, It's Alive In The South."
Are you saying Luda has a guilty conscience? He put out one of the best records this year. As did Jeezy. As did T.I. So when someone says Hip Hop is dead and these are the guys that are on top, are they going to feel disrespected? Sure.
It's like saying "Hip Hop is dead now that you guys are on top."
It's not that the South is catching felings. It's not that they have a guilty conscience, cuz shit Nas has put out trash shit too. It's that Nas came out with a bold statement and no initial reason why it was being made. Since he didn't clairfy, it was open to interpretation. It was interpreted as a diss to the South. Nas knew the contraversy the title would cause, that's why he put it out there.
jeezy cd is only nice if you like to here him rap up his money and crack on every track. his voice is also extremely annoying.
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read the allhiphop.com interview that was done with Nas (i posted on here as well)
he tells us why hip hop is dead as a culture and everything, it was in the first part of the interview; a great read
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read the allhiphop.com interview that was done with Nas (i posted on here as well)
he tells us why hip hop is dead as a culture and everything, it was in the first part of the interview; a great read
yeah it was agood read, some people seem to be getting confused between hip hop and rap. To me hip hop may be dead, hip hop is rapping, dj'ing, break dancing and graffiti . Those elements dont go hand in hand like they used to. Rap is thriving , but hip hop aint.
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But without explanation, it can be considered a shot at the South. Someone brought up Luda's name here... Even Luda is wearing shirts saying "Hip Hop Ain't Dead, It's Alive In The South."
Are you saying Luda has a guilty conscience? He put out one of the best records this year. As did Jeezy. As did T.I. So when someone says Hip Hop is dead and these are the guys that are on top, are they going to feel disrespected? Sure.
It's like saying "Hip Hop is dead now that you guys are on top."
It's not that the South is catching felings. It's not that they have a guilty conscience, cuz shit Nas has put out trash shit too. It's that Nas came out with a bold statement and no initial reason why it was being made. Since he didn't clairfy, it was open to interpretation. It was interpreted as a diss to the South. Nas knew the contraversy the title would cause, that's why he put it out there.
But Nas HAS explained his album title, he even includes himself when naming the guilty parties, lol. See my initial post. He knows he's put out bullshit and he's been trying to atone for it ever since he dropped Stillmatic.
Nas has rapped over Lil Jon beats for fucks sake. He featured Luda on a straight throwback joint with DOUG E FRESH on Streets Disciple. If that isn't a cosign that Luda is legit hip hop, I don't know what is.
And I can understand the arguement that Luda put out the album of the year. I don't agree, but it's not an outlandish statement. But to say that T.I. or Jeezy did? Sorry bruh but that shit's garbage. Are you basing that on sales or what? If you're basing it on sales then I'm not gonna argue because pissing contests about sales are retarded. Sales do not equal quality, at the same time they don't discount quality either. Quality albums can sell well, but T.I. and Jeezy ain't quality. Easy as that.
So anyways, you guys can come on here and say he's dissing the south but that's all hype. He's CLEARLY stated the meaning behind the album, he's rapped over southern beats, featured southern artists on his albums. Close thread.
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So its just a coincidence, that he makes a track called hip hop is dead as soon as the south is on top? bullshit, he was talking bout the south imo.
It just so happens that when the South is on top hip hop is at it's all time low. Is that a coincidence? I'm not blaming the South but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Jeezy wack, he's a street nigga but he doesn't need to be anywhere near a microphone, he can't speak on Nas the same as Weezy couldn't speak on Jigga, tho Weezy definitely got skills...Most south cats are wack tho I do think Luda, TI, Wezzy are dope...
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damn this whole "hip hop is dead" has been getting all kinds of hype
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If Nas mean't that the art of Hip Hop is dead, well then, that died a longg time ago.
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Jeezy needs to shut the fuck up soundin like the Ja Rule of the South :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: 8)
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I think Young Jeezy has a guilty conscience, cuz nigga is wack as fuck. IMFO.
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I never base anything on sales. T.I.`s album was solid, as was Jeezy`s. I enjoyed both of those much more than Snoop or Jigga`s album.
As for Nas, yes he has explained his title, recently when a lot of heat came on him. Even Luda took it that way. So its not like its only the, and I use this term extremely lightly, "wack" rappers, its dope artists like Luda taking it as a shot, before he's explained himself.
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jeezy proved his ignorance with some of the comments he made on this interview...like trying to say monie love aint hip hop cos she was raised in london...dumbass...didnt help his case much with the comments about nas either...fuck jeezy...
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I never base anything on sales. T.I.`s album was solid, as was Jeezy`s. I enjoyed both of those much more than Snoop or Jigga`s album.
As for Nas, yes he has explained his title, recently when a lot of heat came on him. Even Luda took it that way. So its not like its only the, and I use this term extremely lightly, "wack" rappers, its dope artists like Luda taking it as a shot, before he's explained himself.
Which brings me back to my point - they have a guilty conscience. If the shoe fits, wear it.
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jeezy proved his ignorance with some of the comments he made on this interview...like trying to say monie love aint hip hop cos she was raised in london...dumbass...didnt help his case much with the comments about nas either...fuck jeezy...
His point was she was raised on a different Hip Hop. So what's Hip Hop to her is different than what's Hip Hop to Jeezy. He was raised on N.W.A., Ice-T, Geto Boys... Gangsta music. That's where his style comes from. So that's what he meant...
Which brings me back to my point - they have a guilty conscience. If the shoe fits, wear it.
If you took over an existing business and you felt it was doing well and someone comes by and says, "This place sucks now. Fuck this place. It's dead." Will you not question that person as to why? Would that not be a shot at you since you run it? That's all the South is doing. They're not going to let someone just waltz in and proclaim something they're on top of dead. That's ridiculous.
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If you took over an existing business and you felt it was doing well and someone comes by and says, "This place sucks now. Fuck this place. It's dead." Will you not question that person as to why? Would that not be a shot at you since you run it? That's all the South is doing. They're not going to let someone just waltz in and proclaim something they're on top of dead. That's ridiculous.
Nas can say it's dead if he wants, just like the South can say they are "#1" whatever the fuck that means
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If you took over an existing business and you felt it was doing well and someone comes by and says, "This place sucks now. Fuck this place. It's dead." Will you not question that person as to why? Would that not be a shot at you since you run it? That's all the South is doing. They're not going to let someone just waltz in and proclaim something they're on top of dead. That's ridiculous.
If I knew exactly what I was doing and was confident in my work, this guy would be inconsequential to me. I'd brush him off. He's not a threat to me because I understand the intricacies of my business and know that I have a knack for the shit. He only bothers me if deep down I know he's right. Then I'm gonna do anything in my power and flip the fuck out before he starts spreading the word to others.
But yo, let me flip your statement - "They're not going to let someone just waltz in and proclaim something they're on top of dead. That's ridiculous." Nas been around since 91. He's sees wack rappers waltz in and shamelessly shit on the culture that he grew up in. Listen to HHID he says that he's on his second wife, that Hip Hop is his first. He respects Hip Hop and where it came from. He's an OG in the game. He sees whats going on in the game right now and he knows it's not right. So he has every right to call a spade a spade.
So its OK for cats that been in the game for a year to catch feelings about Nas statement, but it's not ok for Nas who's been in the game for 15 plus not catch feelings on some bullshit? Get the fuck outta here. Nas is from Queens - Hip Hop didn't start there, but that burough turned out more legends than anywhere else. It's in his blood. I'll take his opinion over Jeezy's anyday.
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If you took over an existing business and you felt it was doing well and someone comes by and says, "This place sucks now. Fuck this place. It's dead." Will you not question that person as to why? Would that not be a shot at you since you run it? That's all the South is doing. They're not going to let someone just waltz in and proclaim something they're on top of dead. That's ridiculous.
If I knew exactly what I was doing and was confident in my work, this guy would be inconsequential to me. I'd brush him off. He's not a threat to me because I understand the intricacies of my business and know that I have a knack for the shit. He only bothers me if deep down I know he's right. Then I'm gonna do anything in my power and flip the fuck out before he starts spreading the word to others.
Thing is.....you would brush him off if he was a complete nobody, such as say, MC Two Time.....but this is Nas, which is damn near like Emeril or Wolfgang Puck being the one to come in there saying it....and you know that he used to love coming to your restaurant. Even if the business is doing good, it will still hit you...ESPECIALLY because Emeril "went on TV" saying that the restaurant isn't as good as it used to be, which will easily influence many of his fans....but MC Two Time couldn't do the same...most he could do is tell his family members that it fell off.
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Also....this whole situation to me is almost the same as if Jordan or Magic were to say "The NBA is dead"....of course Lebron, Wade, Kobe would take offense to that statement, and may even say "well y'all both came back and didn't do shit like you did when you were in your prime". I can't say the statement is a direct, blatant statement to the south...but as SGV said, it's like saying "Hip Hop is dead now that you guys are on top."
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Shouts to R Tistic for breaking it down.
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Also....this whole situation to me is almost the same as if Jordan or Magic were to say "The NBA is dead"....of course Lebron, Wade, Kobe would take offense to that statement, and may even say "well y'all both came back and didn't do shit like you did when you were in your prime". I can't say the statement is a direct, blatant statement to the south...but as SGV said, it's like saying "Hip Hop is dead now that you guys are on top."
But the real question is, is hiphop dead or not?
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If you took over an existing business and you felt it was doing well and someone comes by and says, "This place sucks now. Fuck this place. It's dead." Will you not question that person as to why? Would that not be a shot at you since you run it? That's all the South is doing. They're not going to let someone just waltz in and proclaim something they're on top of dead. That's ridiculous.
If I knew exactly what I was doing and was confident in my work, this guy would be inconsequential to me. I'd brush him off. He's not a threat to me because I understand the intricacies of my business and know that I have a knack for the shit. He only bothers me if deep down I know he's right. Then I'm gonna do anything in my power and flip the fuck out before he starts spreading the word to others.
Thing is.....you would brush him off if he was a complete nobody, such as say, MC Two Time.....but this is Nas, which is damn near like Emeril or Wolfgang Puck being the one to come in there saying it....and you know that he used to love coming to your restaurant. Even if the business is doing good, it will still hit you...ESPECIALLY because Emeril "went on TV" saying that the restaurant isn't as good as it used to be, which will easily influence many of his fans....but MC Two Time couldn't do the same...most he could do is tell his family members that it fell off.
But SGV's analogy doesn't really apply to what's going on here.
A better parallel would be this:
Now, I have a business degree - not a culinary arts degree. But I have my restaraunt and all the sudden I think i'm qualified to tell a chef how to cook? I know how to be profitable cuz I understand marketing and alternate ways of making money. My restaraunt is popular not cuz of the food, but cuz I have the most beautiful building, the best location, I sell cool t-shirts / hats with restaraunts name on them, and I also have several bars in the joint that everybody comes to hang out at at night. I know how to make bank at a restaraunt without worrying about quality food. I figured it out. I'm a hustler. Now all these other business majors that I graduated with see my blueprint, and copy it down to the T. And guess what? They're banking like a motherfucker too. What a great business model. And the beauty of it is that the average customer isn't much of a food critic. They're so distracted by the atmosphere and how popular it is they that it never even occurs to them that my food is crap.
So Emeril, who's a world renound and highly respected chef comes to my town and says "This is killing the culinary arts, it's not about the food / chefs, it's about everything else". Now nowhere in here did he say there's no good chefs in my town, but he's seeing a trend that is destroying what he loves and a culture that he grew up in. So me and all the other restaraunteurs in my town are buggin the fuck out because this man is calling us out. We know our food isn't quality. It's like number 10 on our list of priorities. But we don't want our customers to know that, because as soon as they realize what's going on there's a good chance they'll go somewhere else.
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^But see that's NOT what the South is thinking. The South thinks what they're putting out is great. That's why they continue to drop it. Hence why my analogy is fine.
They're running a business that was existing and they feel they're doing well.
But now you have people voicing their opinion that the business, in which the South is running, is dead.
They're not going to stand around and say "Well gee golly gosh! Let's just let Nas, Kay Slay, Erick Sermon and anyone else who wants to shit on Hip Hop (or us) while we're on top." What kind of leader would do that? Don't play yourself Jrome...
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Hip-Hop died on March 9th, when Biggie was shot. After 1997, the East and Jay-Z was hot, and many claimed Hip-Hop was dead then. It's not a regional thing, it never was. It's the fact that artist from all coast, sold their soul for sales and fame. Pre-'97, it was easy to keep Hip-Hop alive. Death Row, Bad Boy, Def Jam, Ruthless, Priority, No Limit, Cash Money, Loud, Jive, Tommy Boy, they were all independent labels that allowed artist to be free, and allowed them to express themselves. Even Time Warner was going to go to bat for Ice T and Cop Killer. (even though that's a rock song, same thing applies) In the late 90's, labels megered, larger labels like Sony and Universal bought many independent labels, and they basically bought Hip-Hop. It was then that Hip-Hop gained a price tag, Artist no longer had freedom, if an artist wanted to go a certain style, it had to be radio friendly. The South is actually helping Hip-Hop by promoting more independent labels, as is the Bay area. LA and NY are struggling right now to produce a buzz, Nas and Game are the only artist I care about from the other coast. I may not be a south fan, but I respect the hustle. They are doing what they do, though I will admit, this year has had the worst radio songs of any year I've every listen to rap music. But I digress. You have to respect the hustle, the south is doing it. But in the end, HIP-HOP IS DEAD. There are no break dancers in videos anymore, there isn't graffiti, the elements have branched off rap music. Hip-Hop is dead, long live rap music, for it was rap music that the large labels bought, and now the elements are left in the cold well Rap Music is making white people millions, and the artist are happy with some bling and a new car. That's Hip-Hop's death. Period.
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^But see that's NOT what the South is thinking. The South thinks what they're putting out is great. That's why they continue to drop it. Hence why my analogy is fine.
They're running a business that was existing and they feel they're doing well.
But now you have people voicing their opinion that the business, in which the South is running, is dead.
They're not going to stand around and say "Well gee golly gosh! Let's just let Nas, Kay Slay, Erick Sermon and anyone else who wants to shit on Hip Hop (or us) while we're on top." What kind of leader would do that? Don't play yourself Jrome...
Nah, your analogy only works if Nas says "The South Killed Hip Hop". If he says that, then yes they have every right to defend themselves. And it would be a fucking retarded statement for Nas to make if he said that. BUT HE NEVER SAID THAT. He's explained his meaning, but of course that's not nearly as interesting as him dissing an entire region of the US, so of course that's gonna be hyped by the media. Ironically, the media is who he named as one of the biggest culprits of killing the game, and here they are twisting his words and fueling the fire. Why do you think he's got the line "roll to every station, murder the dj"?
His 3rd verse illustrates his frustrations, mainly commercialization of the art:
Everybody sound the same, commercialize the game
Reminiscin' when it wasn't all business
they forgot where it started
So we all gather here for the dearly departed
Hip hopper since a toddler
One homeboy became a man then a mobster
If it dies let me get my last swig of Vodka
R.I.P., we'll donate your lungs to a rasta
Went from turntables to mp3s
From "Beat Street" to commercials on Mickey D's
From gold cables to Jacobs
From plain facials to Botox and face lifts
Why isn't the south mad at Andre 3000 since it was his concept that Nas ran with? Why aren't they ready to body Killer Mike for writing the song "Rap is Dead"? Southern rappers who get on the air and start dissing Nas and catching feelings are only doing it to get some exposure. That or they feel guilty. It's not fuckin rocket science.
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Death Row, Bad Boy, Def Jam, Ruthless, Priority, No Limit, Cash Money, Loud, Jive, Tommy Boy, they were all independent labels that allowed artist to be free, and allowed them to express themselves. Even Time Warner was going to go to bat for Ice T and Cop Killer. (even though that's a rock song, same thing applies) In the late 90's, labels megered, larger labels like Sony and Universal bought many independent labels, and they basically bought Hip-Hop.
The label consolidation is a big factor affecting the quality of the music, I agree with that.
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What you fail to realize is that Nas didn't make a statement about what his album meant. It wasn't until he found out how pissed the South was at him that he stated what it was about.
Andre never really vocalized the Hip Hop is dead concept, especially like Nas is doing. Killer Mike made that song 3 years ago. It has nothing to do with this convo because the South was on top like it is now. So keep reaching.
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whats so hard to understand, HIPHOP aint Dead it lives in the SOUTH!!!
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What you fail to realize is that Nas didn't make a statement about what his album meant. It wasn't until he found out how pissed the South was at him that he stated what it was about.
Andre never really vocalized the Hip Hop is dead concept, especially like Nas is doing. Killer Mike made that song 3 years ago. It has nothing to do with this convo because the South was on top like it is now. So keep reaching.
I fail to realize that he didn't make a statement about what his album meant? Are you fucking retarded? And I'm not being an asshole, I'm straight up asking if you're retarded. He's clarified it numerous interviews and his songs. Give me ONE EXAMPLE OF NAS SAYING THE SOUTH KILLED HIP HOP. Just one. You can't do it. All you can do is feed into the hype because you're not capable of independant thought. You hear other ignorant ass motherfuckers crying that Nas dissed the South and you join right in completely ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary.
When would it have been accetable for Nas to clarify his album title? The shit's not even out yet. It's not his fault that all these dumb ass niggas get it twisted.
Andre didn't vocalize it?? He's all but given up rapping - that's more than Nas is doing. Actions speak louder than words. Go check his interviews - he's says he not inspired by all these weak ass bitin ass motherfuckers in the game. And Killer Mike made that song in 03 when Lil Jon was the crowned fuckin Don of the South, so there goes that arguement.
Get the fuck outta here..."quit reaching". You're the one turning shit into something it's not.
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i have to give major props to jrome for his argument here. took the words ouit of my mouth
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Jeezy career will not last long as Nas. Nas almost drop 10 albums.
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I fail to realize that he didn't make a statement about what his album meant? Are you fucking retarded? And I'm not being an asshole, I'm straight up asking if you're retarded. He's clarified it numerous interviews and his songs. Give me ONE EXAMPLE OF NAS SAYING THE SOUTH KILLED HIP HOP. Just one. You can't do it. All you can do is feed into the hype because you're not capable of independant thought. You hear other ignorant ass motherfuckers crying that Nas dissed the South and you join right in completely ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary.
I'm retarded, yet you cannot seem to realize that I stated he HAS made a statement about his album AFTER it was already causing a lot of contraversy. And you have the nerve to call ME retarded. Here's an example that maybe your no reading comprehension having ass can understand:
"They saying the West Coast is back, I ain't know we went nowhere homie."
He obviously took offense to the phrase "the West Coast is back." Why? Because he was still making music on the West. So, if the West was barely coming back, what does that say about the work he was putting in? It was wack? In so many words, yes. For Nas to say "Hip Hop is dead" without explanation (yes stupid, I know he's clarified it NOW), it was left open for others to take it how they felt it was being presented. If Hip Hop is dead, then all the work the South just did must've not done anything positive for Hip Hop. Hence, the South taking offense. Are you that slow that you can't understand that?
When would it have been accetable for Nas to clarify his album title? The shit's not even out yet. It's not his fault that all these dumb ass niggas get it twisted.
He knew what contraversy he would cause with that title. He knew that someone would take offense about the title. He also knew there would be ignorant fools like yourself who would not comprehend why others would take offense to it, futhering the promotion of his album.
Andre didn't vocalize it?? He's all but given up rapping - that's more than Nas is doing. Actions speak louder than words. Go check his interviews - he's says he not inspired by all these weak ass bitin ass motherfuckers in the game.
Everyone's known that Andre been on some other shit since Erykah Badu. Him singing wasn't anything that tripped people out and made them say "Oh my Andre hates Hip Hop! He thinks it's dead." Everyone including Big Boi knew he was just on some other shit.
And Killer Mike made that song in 03 when Lil Jon was the crowned fuckin Don of the South, so there goes that arguement.
He released that shit first quarter of 03. It wasn't until Mid to Late 03 that Lil Jon gained huge success. "Get Low" was the start of it, but "Yeah" is what put him and the South over the top. HENCE, retard, he made the song prior to the South being at the point it is at now.
Get the fuck outta here..."quit reaching". You're the one turning shit into something it's not.
Again, you are reaching. All I simply did was make the point that Nas, BEFORE (yes idiot, prior to) making a statement about the album, left the album's title open for interpretation. But you wanted to go on and on about how the South did this and that and how so and so made this song and that song. Shut the fuck up. Stick to the facts. Thanks again moron.
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And here we go back to square fuckin 1. Rappers that immediately turned it into "He's dissing the South" have a guilty conscience. You're failing to see the correlation here. :grumpy:
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No. They don't have a guilty conscience. They have someone, who at the time seemed as he was saying the Hip Hop industry is dead. If the Hip Hop industry is dead, then that would be saying what the Souths been doing isn't shit. You can't understand simple logic like that?
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No. They don't have a guilty conscience. They have someone, who at the time seemed as he was saying the Hip Hop industry is dead. If the Hip Hop industry is dead, then that would be saying what the Souths been doing isn't shit. You can't understand simple logic like that?
He didn't say the industry was dead. He said Hip Hop was dead. HUGE DIFFERENCE. And what should Nas have done? As soon as he formally announced the name of his album, should he have put an asterisk by the title and said "THIS IS NOT AIMED AT THE SOUTH"?
LOL at these sensitive guilt ridden hoes. They jumped to conclusions without listening to his single or reading his interviews. All they knew was the title of his album. And they flipped out like a bunch of idiots, put their foot in their mouth, and ended up looking like clowns because there's not one thing about the album or the title that says "The South killed Hip Hop".
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If Hip Hop is dead, and that is the culture of the industry, then the industry is dead. Again, you just can't seem to understand it: anyone at the top would have taken that as a shot at them. Nobody is guilty. Nobody is anything except justified. If Nas didn't want to start a contraversy he wouldve released a statement from jump. But he didn't. He want people to talk. Contraversy sells. Much like Jigga fell for Jim Jones' bait, the South jumped at Nas'. Was he aiming it at the South? None of us know because we are not Nas. Does his saying its not aimed at South prove anything? No. This is the entertainment industry, people will try their best to be as diplomatic as possible.
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If Hip Hop is dead, and that is the culture of the industry, then the industry is dead. Again, you just can't seem to understand it: anyone at the top would have taken that as a shot at them. Nobody is guilty. Nobody is anything except justified. If Nas didn't want to start a contraversy he wouldve released a statement from jump. But he didn't. He want people to talk. Contraversy sells. Much like Jigga fell for Jim Jones' bait, the South jumped at Nas'. Was he aiming it at the South? None of us know because we are not Nas. Does his saying its not aimed at South prove anything? No. This is the entertainment industry, people will try their best to be as diplomatic as possible.
Make up your mind. You say he named it that to stir up the controversy, then say "in the entertainment industry, people will try their best to be as diplomatic as possible", lol. And no, the industry isn't dead, and no, thats not what Nas said. Anyone at the top would have gotten offended? I don't here Kanye crying about the statement.
Everybody was speculating about his album title. First it was gonna be called "The Nigga" - some would argue that that is probably a MUCH more controversial album title. Should he have immediately went out there and released a statement saying "Now if you're black please don't get offended by this". Fuck no! Were there people out there that probably got really butthurt when they heard his album was called that? Absolutely. But that's on them, not on Nas. It's not his responsibilty to predict the 1000 different ways his title is going to be interpreted.
The onus is on the listener to hear his explaination, which he did in the very first interview when he announced his new album title. Your fronting like Nas was asked what it meant and he refused to say it, lol.
So just leave this thread to die - you have nothing.
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Made the title to stir contraversy, but as people do in the Industry, they save face by being diplomatic. Again, the title surfaced before the explanation, which left it open for others to make their mind up on what they think he means. This is everything, but you can't seem to grasp such a simple concept.
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Made the title to stir contraversy, but as people do in the Industry, they save face by being diplomatic. Again, the title surfaced before the explanation, which left it open for others to make their mind up on what they think he means. This is everything, but you can't seem to grasp such a simple concept.
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Everybody was speculating about his album title. First it was gonna be called "The Nigga" - some would argue that that is probably a MUCH more controversial album title. Should he have immediately went out there and released a statement saying "Now if you're black please don't get offended by this". Fuck no! Were there people out there that probably got really butthurt when they heard his album was called that? Absolutely. But that's on them, not on Nas. It's not his responsibilty to predict the 1000 different ways his title is going to be interpreted.
The onus is on the listener to hear his explaination, which he did in the very first interview when he announced his new album title. Your fronting like Nas was asked what it meant and he refused to say it, lol.
So just leave this thread to die - you have nothing.
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i have to give major props to jrome for his argument here. took the words ouit of my mouth
game recognize game
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Once again, you can't seem to grasp the simple concept of why people got at Nas. Oh well, explaining things to idiots isn't really my thing.
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Once again, you can't seem to grasp the simple concept of why people got at Nas. Oh well, explaining things to idiots isn't really my thing.
obviously it is your thing you faggot
get the fuck outta here with this I know everything shit, you're lame buddy
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obviously it is your thing you faggot
get the fuck outta here with this I know everything shit, you're lame buddy
You're always watching me. Who the fuck are you? Calling others faggots but you're watching another man's every moves.
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Ladies, Ladies, calm down.
SGV, Hip-Hop is not dead, but it's on life support. The south, just like the west, is RAP MUSIC. Rap music is an element of Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop is a way of life, it's what you do. DJing and MCing are living, graffiti and breakdancing are dying, the street movement is dying, as the street MCs are pushed to the underground, and Nas is basically saying his going to resurrect it. You are known for going against the grain, but dogg, face fact, Hip-Hop was bought. Sony and Universal, and on a smaller scale Time Warner, own Hip-Hop. They gutted it, and are selling what is marketable. The gets points on independent labels. That is the most important thing for Hip-Hop to come from it's coma. Having independent labels means that Hip-Hop will have what's needed to be it's self, free from the bull shit Sony and Universal put it through.
Who cares who took offense to Nas's title. The south as a region is too weak to battle. People got mad at Quik, no disses, they got mad at this cat, that cat, nothing. Nas currently is the king of battling. Even 50 Cent ain't respond to a weak jab thrown by Nas, and that's the type of stuff 50 lives off of. He Ether'd Jay-Z. Nas was not aiming at the South, he was aiming at the industry, in terms of the suits that bought Hip-Hop. I knew that by the title. Whoever gets mad and think it's a diss to the south though deserves that Ether. I doubt Nas will even respond, he wouldn't get into beef if he didn't mean to.
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Ladies, Ladies, calm down.
SGV, Hip-Hop is not dead, but it's on life support. The south, just like the west, is RAP MUSIC. Rap music is an element of Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop is a way of life, it's what you do. DJing and MCing are living, graffiti and breakdancing are dying, the street movement is dying, as the street MCs are pushed to the underground, and Nas is basically saying his going to resurrect it. You are known for going against the grain, but dogg, face fact, Hip-Hop was bought. Sony and Universal, and on a smaller scale Time Warner, own Hip-Hop. They gutted it, and are selling what is marketable. The gets points on independent labels. That is the most important thing for Hip-Hop to come from it's coma. Having independent labels means that Hip-Hop will have what's needed to be it's self, free from the bull shit Sony and Universal put it through.
Who cares who took offense to Nas's title. The south as a region is too weak to battle. People got mad at Quik, no disses, they got mad at this cat, that cat, nothing. Nas currently is the king of battling. Even 50 Cent ain't respond to a weak jab thrown by Nas, and that's the type of stuff 50 lives off of. He Ether'd Jay-Z. Nas was not aiming at the South, he was aiming at the industry, in terms of the suits that bought Hip-Hop. I knew that by the title. Whoever gets mad and think it's a diss to the south though deserves that Ether. I doubt Nas will even respond, he wouldn't get into beef if he didn't mean to.
Gracias mija. But here's where you fucked up: B-Boying is still in effect. They still have B-Boy shows out here and I'm very sure they still have in New York and all over. Graffing took off mainstream wise with Marc Ecko's video game. For it to turn into a game, there had to be some sort of buzz for it. Graffing is not dead. You do realize that the South thrives off of Independent labels right? You think Snap Music was something an Exec heard and thought was cool? Hell na. They seen the MOVEMENT that D4L created and the strong buzz they had in their hometown and picked it up. So, the South is doing their job. They're getting the deals cuz they deserve em. Don't believe me? Ask Paul Wall, Mike Jones, Slim Thug and Chamillionaire how long they grinded until they finally got their deals. Rick Ross was sitting on Slip n Slide for years but grinded hard enough to get Jigga's attention. Jeezy did it independently and he got a deal from Jigga AND Puffy. These cats are doing it Independently and THEN the labels are coming after them.
As for the South being too weak... No. They got mad at Quik, yes. But why give Quik that shine? They know that even the 3rd rate stars in the South get more exposure than Quik, so why promote him when he's small time compared to them? Just like 50 never responded to Yukmouth, it's senseless. You give that artist the exposure...they're winning. 50 had everyone throwing jabs at him, how could he go at: Game, Nas, Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Styles P, Sheek Louch, Jae Hood, etc. etc. etc.??? Get real. Everyone knows Nas clarified that he's not dissing the South, that has been established, so thanks for repeating it for the 1000th time. What's being discussed is that the interpretation was left open UNTIL Nas clarified. Thanks again mija.
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So why argue, little bickering stuff.
I think I stated as well southern independent labels. As I said, that's the most important thing to giving us pure Hip-Hop.
As for battling, yes, the south is weak. Nas never meant to diss the south though. The title can no way, in any shape or form, be directed at the south when people were claiming Hip-Hop dead when Jay-Z was Big Pimpin', and Nas was Ochie Wally Wally, and we were trying to figure out who the Real Slim Shady was. The south was not on top then, the east was, and people said Hip-Hop was dead then. Unless someone has a guilty conscience, then they should have not taken that comment as a diss. Especially from someone who came out with Nastradamus when the Hip-Hop is dead talks started.
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What's hard to understand? 2006 has seen more than a few NY cats going at the South. So, when Mr. New York himself comes out with an album entitled "Hip Hop Is Dead" all eyes turned to the South. Why? Because they're on top and most of New York is mad (hence why they have this whole "On My New York" shit and the whole "bring it back to where it started" campaign). I'm sorry, but if you were in their shoes you'd understand. They've been targeted all year, call it paranoia, but they were justified in questioning Nas.
I'm sure if the West was on top and Nas put out this album, Dubcc would be in an up roar, but since it's the South everyone wants to brush it off.
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but Mr. King of NY is not really a battle rapper, and is not someone that just starts beef. Some Southern rappers might be on the defensive, but at the same time, they should know Nas is talking about the industry. Pick up any Nas CD since Stillmatic, it's the same message. He takes way more shots at the industry than he does the south. The only artist taking shots at the south are washed up crack heads like DMX. Artist that actually have careers, like Jim Jones, like Nas, they ain't taking shots. So for a southern artist to think that is just being retarted, and if they get Ether'd, they deserve it.
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The biggest DJ in the East had shit to say about the South. Ghostface had shit to say. And like I stated, with Busta and all these cats promoting "bring it back to where it started," them thinking Nas was on that same bandwagon was not far off.
They sont get Ethered, don't hype up Nas that much. He could easily get Takeovered and next thing you know hell be signing to DTP.
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Now you are reaching. Comparing Nas to other artist, Ghostface, I love him, but ain't no one checking for him. Of course NY has that Hip-Hop pride, it's what started the first coastal war, but to thinik Nas, who has always targeted the industry, and worked with westcoast artist in the height of the coastal wars, would diss the south for no reason Is retarded. But then again, Young Jeezy is the the Game of the south. I respect his music, but his a street cat who's easily offended. Nas say that people were say Hip-Hop is dead for years, and for you to think his talking about the south, you too are in the same intellegence as Jeezy. Now if Nas does battle Jeezy, Jeezy is a street rapper, hungry, and ready to go, which might be why he is aiming at Nas.
The fact is this, Jeezy is defensive 'cause he wants to start shit. He ain't dissing Ghostface, DMX, Busta Rhymes, HIS DISSING NAS. He don't care about people dissing the south, he cares about him dissing whoever to give him the biggest push. Jigga is washed up, that was proven by his new CD, Dipset is too strong, plus they are cool with southern rappers, G-Unit is nothing, and the rest are washed up, so why not get at the top dog right now. It's not about the title even possibly dissing the south, it's about Jeezy trying to further his career. So come off Jeezy's nuts and admit the truth.
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Everyone knows Nas clarified that he's not dissing the South, that has been established
So why argue,
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M.Dogg, you obviously have an affection for Nas, which is why you're riding for him like this, but ill break it down again.
I was NOT comparing Nas to Ghost. I was saying that since NY Legends like Ghost were getting at the South all this year. The South stood quiet for as long as they could. Seeing Nas name his album Hip Hop Is Dead was the last straw. The South had their best year and had a good majority of the East trying to shit on them (hence why Fat Joe says "why's everybody so mad at the South for?"). So, again, when Nas comes with this title the first thought is "he's going at the South."
Ths has nothing to do with being intelligent, unles of course you're as slow as you are and can't find the logic in this. Jeezy is not The Game of the South. He's only beefed with Gucci Mane. His getting at Nas, again, was just a culmination of frustration for Southern rappers who have had their best year this year and still got hated on by people. Get the Kufi off your head and Nas' dick out your ass.
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@Jake: I'm simply stating that the South had every reason to take offense to the title BEFORE it was explained. That is all.