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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on January 14, 2007, 11:01:18 AM
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I just wanted to make sure everybody knows how wack Jiggaman has gotten, so I threw this together:
Original Flavor featuring Jay-Z "Can I Get Open". Jay has the third verse and absolutely DESTROYS it. Circa 93-94
http://www.youtube.com/v/yLC7ZcSTzag
Jay-Z "Show Me What You Got". God this shit is corny. Nice fuckin hook jiggaman. Circa 06-07
http://www.youtube.com/v/hAP19wk5w4s
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IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
Including JiggaMan
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That Original Flavor track is dope. I have 2 Jaz albums with Jay-Z on them circa 89-91 which are great. His flow used to be just incredible. Now i can barely listen to him.
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Damn, never knew that Original Flavour track had a video.Jay really MURDERS it.
And I was just thinking the same thing 15 minutes ago.Watching the Dead Presidents video on youtube, I scrolled down and saw the "Show ME What You Got" one.I was like WTF, is that really the same person?That's some "Kurupt falling off" type of shit
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lol, there is one similarity tho, he looks like a camel in both vids... :laugh:
but to be honest, his *new* style sucks, like eazye said, jay's on some kurupt shit :-\
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IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
Including JiggaMan
i dont know, lil wayne in 93-94 was alright, nothing special and now hes a beast on the mic
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IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
Including JiggaMan
i dont know, lil wayne in 93-94 was alright, nothing special and now hes a beast on the mic
^ didnt he first appear on the Hot Boys album in like 97?
but yea Lil Wayne is a completely different rapper than he was when he was a lot younger
as for Jay-Z, I have listened to his album a fair amount it's just blah, absolutely saying nothing
I'd rather listen to Kurupt
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I'm still probs one of the only ones on this forum who thinks this way...
Anyway, good hook up with the old school vid Jrome :D Jay DID kill it, it's the shit when i hear nigga'z spit fast and you can understand them, i was sleeping on him those years lol.
Show me what you got, i still like it, the hook appeals to me big time, the vid for me just added to it alot better, he looked better in the 90's though.
Everyones best era was probably the 90's, doggystyle still tops blue carpet treatment, peeps banging the chronic, easy e, NWA, etc. Artists/rappers were at their high point around then except for one or two who finish it now like lil' wayne.
Hova's still ite to me, he just lost a bit of the flame but he got it still just about.
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THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JAY Z BACK THEN AND NOW IS, BACK THEN HE FUCKED AVERAGE BITCHES, NO HE HAS THE FINEST BREEZY IN THE WORLD.
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I'm still probs one of the only ones on this forum who thinks this way...
Anyway, good hook up with the old school vid Jrome :D Jay DID kill it, it's the shit when i hear nigga'z spit fast and you can understand them, i was sleeping on him those years lol.
Show me what you got, i still like it, the hook appeals to me big time, the vid for me just added to it alot better, he looked better in the 90's though.
Everyones best era was probably the 90's, doggystyle still tops blue carpet treatment, peeps banging the chronic, easy e, NWA, etc. Artists/rappers were at their high point around then except for one or two who finish it now like lil' wayne.
Hova's still ite to me, he just lost a bit of the flame but he got it still just about.
To each his own man. But yeah that was Jays thing back then - to spit as fast as possible but still articulate to where you could hear everything that he said clearly. He was dope back then.
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IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
Including JiggaMan
i dont know, lil wayne in 93-94 was alright, nothing special and now hes a beast on the mic
^ didnt he first appear on the Hot Boys album in like 97?
but yea Lil Wayne is a completely different rapper than he was when he was a lot younger
as for Jay-Z, I have listened to his album a fair amount it's just blah, absolutely saying nothing
I'd rather listen to Kurupt
Lil Wayne and B.G. first showed up in a group in 1993 on the album B.G.'z- True Story. Wayne was named Baby D and B.G. was Lil Doogie. B.G. had more solo songs on the album and took over the name. When the cd was rereleased in 1999 it was labeled as a B.G. cd and the 'z was photoshopped out.
Original CD 1993
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6077/d510979du9xzw4.jpg)
Rereleased CD 1999
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2867/f48310ezjgwxe6.jpg)
sample track
http://www.zshare.net/download/07-thrill-b-g-m4a.html
album
http://rapidshare.com/files/11755764/True_Story.rar
credits
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=62467.0
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^ yea I've seen that before..... didn't know Wayne was on it
must have been like 10 years old
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close, 11. its a fairly decent cd for their ages, bg was 13.
lil wayne in 93>>>>jay-z in 2006-07
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IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
well its not a matter of an opinion..its a fact. those were the best years in hiphop.
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was jay z part of the group og flavor cause the music video channel didn't credit him...
damn, i didn't know he was doin' stuff that long ago. that verse is sick.can someone upload some of the 80's/90's stuff of his?
that showme what you got song is 5 times better than for example "can i get a" shit like that is garbage.
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Jay-z's flow was untouchable back when reasonable doubt and vol. 1 were released...he even shined well on hard knock life...and while i think his flow has fallen off a lot...i still enjoy it...his lyrics really aren't a lot different...except now he has a few more radio joints...
but no doubt about it...i still get goosebumps listening to vol. 1....and i don't get that feeling listening to kingdom come...its a good album IMO...but it doesn't showcase jays talent...understandable though...he's a lot older now
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age really shouldn't matter. Look at rock. there shouldn't be anything rock can do that rap can't. they're certaily both valid artforms in every respect.
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Jay was always wack to me. He fuckin sucks now though.
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Jay was always wack to me. He fuckin sucks now though.
word +1
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age really shouldn't matter. Look at rock. there shouldn't be anything rock can do that rap can't. they're certaily both valid artforms in every respect.
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age does do things to you in all forms of music...voices change as you get older...
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do yall belive jay z cheated on beyonce wit rihanna?
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do yall belive jay z cheated on beyonce wit rihanna?
who cares?
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do yall belive jay z cheated on beyonce wit rihanna?
who cares?
Agreed. It's just celeb news rubbish.
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do yall belive jay z cheated on beyonce wit rihanna?
who cares?
Agreed. It's just celeb news rubbish.
i care
i dont think he did, cause shes a teen still aint she?
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jay-z puts out tracks in or around his album for niggaz like you who think because of a few crossover tracks he's lost it
listen to :
dear summer
ignorant shit
my first song
minority report
44 fours
corporate takover
then tell us he's lost it
don't sleep on these tracks
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was jay z part of the group og flavor cause the music video channel didn't credit him...
damn, i didn't know he was doin' stuff that long ago. that verse is sick.can someone upload some of the 80's/90's stuff of his?
that showme what you got song is 5 times better than for example "can i get a" shit like that is garbage.
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He wasn't a part of original flavor. I believe one of those dudes is his cousin or something like that though. Oh and Can I Get A>>>>>>Show Me What You Got.
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jay-z puts out tracks in or around his album for niggaz like you who think because of a few crossover tracks he's lost it
listen to :
dear summer
ignorant shit
my first song
minority report
44 fours
corporate takover
then tell us he's lost it
don't sleep on these tracks
I never said he lost it, I said he sucks now. Kingdom Come is arguably Jay's wackest album imo. He killed a couple joints on Black Album, especially my first song. But even that album is highly overrated. How many of those tracks you listed were of KC? Oh and 22 Twos>>>44 Fours
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was jay z part of the group og flavor cause the music video channel didn't credit him...
damn, i didn't know he was doin' stuff that long ago. that verse is sick.can someone upload some of the 80's/90's stuff of his?
that showme what you got song is 5 times better than for example "can i get a" shit like that is garbage.
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He wasn't a part of original flavor. I believe one of those dudes is his cousin or something like that though. Oh and Can I Get A>>>>>>Show Me What You Got.
"Can I Get A" is miles ahead of "Show Me What You Got" as an all round track
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I dot like jay-z's new album but up untill this one i liked all his other records.
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As the hommie sanford & sons would say FUCK JAY-Z
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jay-z did kill that shit.
now, hes just shit.
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Yeah the old Jay-Z was dope.. but the new sucks balls..
I like his flow from that time..
check out this video:
from 1990
http://www.youtube.com/v/lM9piaE6H9Y
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what is the above song called? that shit is cool too. who is that Jaz guy? what's his deal? does jay still fuck with him or what? i know he's on RD. eh.
this ain't jay be like crooked I and take more than half a decade to drop a record. that's kind of encouraging.
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Same shit with Eminem, I heard If Get Locked up Tonight at my friends house the other day and was like damn Em split flames
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Yeah the old Jay-Z was dope.. but the new sucks balls..
I like his flow from that time..
check out this video:
from 1990
http://www.youtube.com/v/lM9piaE6H9Y
thats dope, best of jay's earlier flow that i heard. but i think jay started to shine when he slowed his flow down.
http://www.youtube.com/v/UZeSK9OOJmQ
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what's that I am the one shit? what a fuck he is. beans and memph are mad average. memph comes cool on RD. so does Jay z. when he slows down, his annoying voice is just way too apparent. goddamn that shit is annoying.
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what's that I am the one shit? what a fuck he is. beans and memph are mad average. memph comes cool on RD. so does Jay z. when he slows down, his annoying voice is just way too apparent. goddamn that shit is annoying.
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Beans is dope, Bleek is average tho
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where is beans from and why does he say "LA style" in that song?
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Nah Beans is from South Philly
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what's that I am the one shit? what a fuck he is. beans and memph are mad average. memph comes cool on RD. so does Jay z. when he slows down, his annoying voice is just way too apparent. goddamn that shit is annoying.
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Beans is dope, Bleek is average tho
yeah. beans is a rapper that dame dash found. memph is just jays childhood friend.
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what is the above song called? that shit is cool too. who is that Jaz guy? what's his deal? does jay still fuck with him or what? i know he's on RD. eh.
this ain't jay be like crooked I and take more than half a decade to drop a record. that's kind of encouraging.
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Jaz is "Jaz-o The Originator". Jaz really founded that style of rappin. Jay-Z was his prodige'. Jaz-o / Jay-Z...get it? Jaz-O was also on "Jigga What, Jigga Who" on the final verse and he absolutely smashes that shit as well. Anyway, Jay blew up after he slowed his shit way down. He left that old style and Jaz behind.
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he doesn't fuck with jaz anymore or what?
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Jrome I respect your hip hop knowledge make no mistake about that.
But this thread is pointless in my eyes.
No-one in their right mind would argue that Jay's recent album is wack for (at least half or) the majority.
No-one in their right mind would argue that Jay's verses or chorus on SMWYG can fuck with any of his early 90's shit.
He has let himself down in a big way, he should never come back and dropped this trash.
But comparing his old early 90's flow to his current day flow seems meaningless to me.
If it was to bring his early quick-flow to the attention of people fair enough but I think most people knew he was mad dope a while ago and is horrible right now.
In all honesty tho - I think he killed it for years with his slow flow.
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Jrome I respect your hip hop knowledge make no mistake about that.
But this thread is pointless in my eyes.
No-one in their right mind would argue that Jay's recent album is wack for (at least half or) the majority.
No-one in their right mind would argue that Jay's verses or chorus on SMWYG can fuck with any of his early 90's shit.
He has let himself down in a big way, he should never come back and dropped this trash.
But comparing his old early 90's flow to his current day flow seems meaningless to me.
If it was to bring his early quick-flow to the attention of people fair enough but I think most people knew he was mad dope a while ago and is horrible right now.
In all honesty tho - I think he killed it for years with his slow flow.
I see what you're saying. I wasn't trying to bait anyone into saying that Jigga 2007>>>Jigga 1993. What I was trying to illustrate was why I knock his new shit so much, because several people have asked me why I "hate" on Kindom Come. To me, hating is basically disliking something with no merit. And so I'm pleading my case of why I "hate" that album. I think too many people believe the hype - Budweiser commercials, Pres of Def Jam, coming out of retirement, big name producers, corny gimmicky hooks, 1st week sales, etc. All that shit distracts from the actual product, which is complete crap.
Also, which I've said before is that I own almost every one of his albums. The fact that he merely slowed his flow down didn't discredit him - he made some dope ass joints. Even Black Album had a couple of really sick joints (eventhough that album was grossly overhyped and didn't deliver). But Kingdom Come is just horrible.
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IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
Including JiggaMan
fo real
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what is the above song called? that shit is cool too. who is that Jaz guy? what's his deal? does jay still fuck with him or what? i know he's on RD. eh.
this ain't jay be like crooked I and take more than half a decade to drop a record. that's kind of encouraging.
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Jaz is "Jaz-o The Originator". Jaz really founded that style of rappin. Jay-Z was his prodige'. Jaz-o / Jay-Z...get it? Jaz-O was also on "Jigga What, Jigga Who" on the final verse and he absolutely smashes that shit as well. Anyway, Jay blew up after he slowed his shit way down. He left that old style and Jaz behind.
after Jay-Z heard his "IDOL" Nas on "Ny state of mind" rappin all slow just killlin it " I'm takin rappers to a new plateau through rap slow" i think he heard that shit and flipped his style
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he doesn't fuck with jaz anymore or what?
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there was a whole thing in the source about them to years ago talkin to jaz-o ... dude was straight pissed off from basically creating jay-z then jay got big left him to be an antique
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where is beans from and why does he say "LA style" in that song?
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he's givin it up to L.A for that gangsta shit.
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some classic jay-z
http://www.youtube.com/v/zM_xlIaxClk hard knock life
http://www.youtube.com/v/X4nq5VGQm1s money aint a thang
http://www.youtube.com/v/xC-fVzKGThg streets is watchin
kanye and jay in the studio.
http://www.youtube.com/v/MFYOvJh_UTY
for those who havent seen fade to black, jay and timbo in the studio.. LOL @timbo with a banana ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/garm5BpOCSM
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man oh man do i feel that hard knock life,and can i get a and money ain't a thang are really unpleasant experiences.
this ain't jaz be mad, that's fucked up that Jay did that.IMO, just about anything (HIP-HOP) Circa 93-94
kill's today's Shit-Hop.
Including JiggaMan
fo real
I greatly disagfree, everyone always thinks a time of before was more littered with good art because the good art is all you remember. I guarantee you there was as much bad music back then, you just don't remember because poor art is unmemorable. To me this mentality is the same kind of mentality that leads every generation to thinking the world will end during their lifetime: in other words, what makes now/us/you so goddamn special? Nah, there's always good and bad art.
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jay-z puts out tracks in or around his album for niggaz like you who think because of a few crossover tracks he's lost it
listen to :
dear summer
ignorant shit
my first song
minority report
44 fours
corporate takover
then tell us he's lost it
don't sleep on these tracks
Co-sign, he's still the King, check Kanye's Diamonds Are Forever, What More Can I Say, U Don't Know, Never Change, Renegade, Blueprint (slept on hardcore Nas diss), Show You How, The Prelude...etc. Plus all the shit homie just listed, all classic tracks, get off the President's dick
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I don't kick it, I punt it
I'm so wicked, you want it
My thumbs is green from countin' up all of these hundreds
So I bought a money machine and it go
Blat-tat tat, Blat-tat tat, Blat-tat tat tat DOE
--Jay Z "I can't get with that" (Dead Presidents b-side)
I fucked with Jay something serious in them times
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I don't kick it, I punt it
I'm so wicked, you want it
My thumbs is green from countin' up all of these hundreds
So I bought a money machine and it go
Blat-tat tat, Blat-tat tat, Blat-tat tat tat DOE
--Jay Z "I can't get with that" (Dead Presidents b-side)
I fucked with Jay something serious in them times
no homo?