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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: D1G1T4L on February 01, 2007, 10:45:39 PM
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anyone got the numbers?
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Blood Money? Not even 300K.
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and Infamous and Hell On Earth?
anybody got numbers for those records?
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Hell On Earth = 700k
Infamous = 870k
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so they just went gold...?
they got any better sales? like infamy or murda muzik or amerikaz nightmare? ???
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Well, Murda Muzik went platinum of the strength of quiet storm and IMO hell on earth (gold) and Infamous (gold) were better albums so basically Blood Money not breaking 300k on interscope with the G-Unit brand and that level of promotion and exposure is utterly pathethic. I bet Prodigy sells between 150 and 200 k on Koch witch will probably be the most he's ever made on an album. That Return of The Mac mixtape is contending for the best thing comming out right now so I wouldn't be surprised if sales are high, and the $ is more than G-Unit which might mean the Mobb leaving (one can only hope).
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Blood Money? Not even 300K.
That can't be right. Didn't they do 220k the first week?
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Blood Money? Not even 300K.
That can't be right. Didn't they do 220k the first week?
They did about 115 first week. And after that no one copped it. I'm surprised they got another 200 sales after first week.
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i didnt get it- not wit 50 all over it
if they leave the unit i might cop a cd they drop
i only have 2 INFAMOUS and AMERIKAZ NIGHTMARE
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They shipped gold and stopped at 375.000 I think.
The main problem for them not selling is the wrong choice of selling. Well thats from selling point of you, I liked that they had a street record and not a club banger with 50 on the chours. Plus Mobb Deep wouldnt do much better anywhere else if you ask me.
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They shipped gold and stopped at 375.000 I think.
The main problem for them not selling is the wrong choice of selling. Well thats from selling point of you, I liked that they had a street record and not a club banger with 50 on the chorus. Plus Mobb Deep wouldn't do much better anywhere else if you ask me.
How do you mean selling? I think there were so many problems with that record no one thing changed could have saved it.
First it wasn't a mobb deep album, it was a g-unit album featuring mobb deep. Havoc produced less than half of the music and there were g-unit guest appearances on more than half of the album. The few songs that mobb deep had to them selves they awkwardly mimicked 50 Cent's lazy flow and sing song hook style which made it sound like it could just have well featured 50 anyways.
Second, it was created with club appeal in mind and marketed that way. Gay club records about "back stage passes" and "give it to me" were straight wack and every Mobb Deep fan was horrified to hear that crap. Mobb Deep is not "sexy" and "sleek" but they were sure as hell marketed that way. Fans of Mobb Deep and fans of hip hop alike saw through that instantly because it was corny and fake.
But Mobb Deep could go platinum again I wouldn't put it past them. If they make a really strong street album that's got a more hip-hop oriented vibe (like hip-hop is dead) with minimal outside assistance and without the g-unit brand they could definitely do at least double what they're doing now.
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They shipped gold and stopped at 375.000 I think.
The main problem for them not selling is the wrong choice of selling. Well thats from selling point of you, I liked that they had a street record and not a club banger with 50 on the chorus. Plus Mobb Deep wouldn't do much better anywhere else if you ask me.
How do you mean selling? I think there were so many problems with that record no one thing changed could have saved it.
First it wasn't a mobb deep album, it was a g-unit album featuring mobb deep. Havoc produced less than half of the music and there were g-unit guest appearances on more than half of the album. The few songs that mobb deep had to them selves they awkwardly mimicked 50 Cent's lazy flow and sing song hook style which made it sound like it could just have well featured 50 anyways.
Second, it was created with club appeal in mind and marketed that way. Gay club records about "back stage passes" and "give it to me" were straight wack and every Mobb Deep fan was horrified to hear that crap. Mobb Deep is not "sexy" and "sleek" but they were sure as hell marketed that way. Fans of Mobb Deep and fans of hip hop alike saw through that instantly because it was corny and fake.
But Mobb Deep could go platinum again I wouldn't put it past them. If they make a really strong street album that's got a more hip-hop oriented vibe (like hip-hop is dead) with minimal outside assistance and without the g-unit brand they could definitely do at least double what they're doing now.
I didn't know their base was that strong.
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They're riding the NY subway system to promote their new shit. Picking one borough and getting off on a stop to do a public meet and greet. They're letting people know what borough on what day and on what stop they'll be signing autographs. That's some real shit right there. Props to the Mobb.
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well there last album wasent even worth buying
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well there last album wasent even worth buying
They prolly realize this, which might explain the promotional
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They shipped gold and stopped at 375.000 I think.
The main problem for them not selling is the wrong choice of selling. Well thats from selling point of you, I liked that they had a street record and not a club banger with 50 on the chorus. Plus Mobb Deep wouldn't do much better anywhere else if you ask me.
How do you mean selling? I think there were so many problems with that record no one thing changed could have saved it.
First it wasn't a mobb deep album, it was a g-unit album featuring mobb deep. Havoc produced less than half of the music and there were g-unit guest appearances on more than half of the album. The few songs that mobb deep had to them selves they awkwardly mimicked 50 Cent's lazy flow and sing song hook style which made it sound like it could just have well featured 50 anyways.
Second, it was created with club appeal in mind and marketed that way. Gay club records about "back stage passes" and "give it to me" were straight wack and every Mobb Deep fan was horrified to hear that crap. Mobb Deep is not "sexy" and "sleek" but they were sure as hell marketed that way. Fans of Mobb Deep and fans of hip hop alike saw through that instantly because it was corny and fake.
But Mobb Deep could go platinum again I wouldn't put it past them. If they make a really strong street album that's got a more hip-hop oriented vibe (like hip-hop is dead) with minimal outside assistance and without the g-unit brand they could definitely do at least double what they're doing now.
Lol and you call yourself a Mobb Deep fan. Ok, first of all, Mobb Deep has been making "sexy" "club songs ever since The Infany. DONT act like them creating a club joint or a joint for the chick NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 50s singing song hook style ? Are you crazy ? Theyve been doing that WAY beofre 50 Cent ever came into the picture. Again especially check the Infamy. No wonder 50 singed since they have that in common. Songwrting and abillity of creating (catchy) chourses.
If Mobb Deeps album wasnt a street album then I dont know what the hell it was. I remember when "Put Them In Their Place" premiered and everybody was like "nah, no way thats the frist single, its not commercial enough". People were even complaining that its TOO street and that they shouldve released a club banger instead. Personally all I wanted from the first single, is to NOT be a club banger and to NOT have a cheesy 50 Cent hook.
Havoc DID produce half of the album. 7 out of 14 (its pointless count bonus tracks). Gunti apperances on more than half of the album ?? Young Buck, Tony Yayo and Banks were all on 1 track and 50 was on 2. Dont even try to say "but what about Its Alright". He mumbeled 3 words in the intro and thats it. Even if there were 14 50 featuers has it ever crossed your mind that Mobb Deep might have WANTED him on those 14 tracks. Do you really think 50 said "I have to be on 14 tracks." If you listen or read to any interviews you will see that they have huge mutual respect and there were like 20 leftover tracks featruing 50. Did it ever cross your mind that they like working with 50 ?
If I remember correctly you were the one that had that sig with the whole "fuck mobb deep for singing with 50 cent thing". Mobb Deep is one of the artist/group that got me into rap and I too was sceptical about them singing to GUnit. I was expecting a club banger with a 50 Cent hook and shit like that. But when Put Them In Their Place hit the net I knew this will turn out to be a dope project. Even if you look at GUnit verses on those tracks they were dope. I mean even Yayo sounded nice. Not to mention 50 probably ahd the best verse on the whole album (Creep).
Dont take this as a diss or something. I mean lets be realistic. Mobb Deep aint been what they used to be since the Infamy. Them singing to GUnit at least brought them back in the spotlight for about 6 months. And I dont care who they sign to in the future, even if its Britney Spears. As long as theyre making good music I couldnt care less.
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Lol and you call yourself a Mobb Deep fan. Ok, first of all, Mobb Deep has been making "sexy" "club songs ever since The Infany. DONT act like them creating a club joint or a joint for the chick NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 50s singing song hook style ? Are you crazy ? Theyve been doing that WAY beofre 50 Cent ever came into the picture. Again especially check the Infamy. No wonder 50 singed since they have that in common. Songwrting and abillity of creating (catchy) chourses.
If Mobb Deeps album wasnt a street album then I dont know what the hell it was. I remember when "Put Them In Their Place" premiered and everybody was like "nah, no way thats the frist single, its not commercial enough". People were even complaining that its TOO street and that they shouldve released a club banger instead. Personally all I wanted from the first single, is to NOT be a club banger and to NOT have a cheesy 50 Cent hook.
Havoc DID produce half of the album. 7 out of 14 (its pointless count bonus tracks). Gunti apperances on more than half of the album ?? Young Buck, Tony Yayo and Banks were all on 1 track and 50 was on 2. Dont even try to say "but what about Its Alright". He mumbeled 3 words in the intro and thats it. Even if there were 14 50 featuers has it ever crossed your mind that Mobb Deep might have WANTED him on those 14 tracks. Do you really think 50 said "I have to be on 14 tracks." If you listen or read to any interviews you will see that they have huge mutual respect and there were like 20 leftover tracks featruing 50. Did it ever cross your mind that they like working with 50 ?
If I remember correctly you were the one that had that sig with the whole "fuck mobb deep for singing with 50 cent thing". Mobb Deep is one of the artist/group that got me into rap and I too was sceptical about them singing to GUnit. I was expecting a club banger with a 50 Cent hook and shit like that. But when Put Them In Their Place hit the net I knew this will turn out to be a dope project. Even if you look at GUnit verses on those tracks they were dope. I mean even Yayo sounded nice. Not to mention 50 probably ahd the best verse on the whole album (Creep).
Dont take this as a diss or something. I mean lets be realistic. Mobb Deep aint been what they used to be since the Infamy. Them singing to GUnit at least brought them back in the spotlight for about 6 months. And I dont care who they sign to in the future, even if its Britney Spears. As long as theyre making good music I couldnt care less.
Ok, to start lets get our facts straight on this one. Because there is no reason we should be arguing about something as factually indisputable as album credits.
Fact No. One :
9 out of 16 tracks on Blood Money are produced by people other than Havoc. (this is not even including the ShaMoney XL produced and Havoc co-produced tracks which would bring the total to 11 out of 16 tracks produced by people other than Havoc).
Fact No. Two :
9 out of 16 tracks on Blood Money feature a G-unit artist.
(As far as not including 50 on “it’s alright”, he does the freaking hook! And he’s listed on the back of the CD as a guest feature for the song…how can you possibly not count that as an appearance honestly?!)
And counting the bonus tracks might be something you don’t do, but the rest of the world does count them. They are on the album for a reason why do you think the record label included them if they were just “pointless”? So by my count G-unit features are in fact on more than half of the album and so is guest production. Now, all I’m trying to say here is that that type of outside involvement is unprecedented on a Mobb Deep album and clearly had a negative effect as evident in record sales, reviews and overall reception by the hip-hop community (which completely trashed Blood Money).
The vibe of the album was obnoxiously geared to be more palatable to mainstream audiences in an obvious way. Mobb Deep does street records naturally but this was no “street album” by any stretch. Any album like that with multiple songs geared toward a club audience and the mainstream pop radio can’t be considered a street album period. I have no idea what Mobb Deep records you listen to, or what you deem a club geared record but if you think Mobb Deep is a “sexy” franchise you might be crazy. Mobb Deep has put out over a dozen albums collectively and probably done thousands of songs (virtually all gutter and grimy) and you are going to say they’re considered “sleek and sexy” because of 2 maybe 3 songs (i.e. Hey Luv, Shorty Wop…etc) out of 1000+ songs? That’s absurd.
And you are probably right about Mobb Deep wanting the album to sound that way I don’t disagree. I think the blame falls on both sides. With Mobb Deep loosing sight of what makes them what they are and 50 being over zealous with the release of his labels first acquisition . But I totally disagree that in order for Mobb Deep to stay relevant or boost sales they should sell off some of their artistic integrity… that’s “selling out” by definition. And as a fan I certainly wouldn’t be supportive of that type of business move. I listen to music for the music, not because I’m interested in giving my money away as “support” or “respect” to an artist. That’s completely asinine and counter productive. If you do that for a record you don’t actually like then you are being misleading from the artist’s perspective. They see high sales and think “ok, I’m doing something right” or they see low sales and say “shit, maybe this is a bad move for me.”
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Mobb Deep needs to let Hav do the beats and maybe Alchemist and not all these other cats, and chill with the guest appearances and just have them get back to that grimy NY street shit that they were known for
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Lol and you call yourself a Mobb Deep fan. Ok, first of all, Mobb Deep has been making "sexy" "club songs ever since The Infany. DONT act like them creating a club joint or a joint for the chick NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 50s singing song hook style ? Are you crazy ? Theyve been doing that WAY beofre 50 Cent ever came into the picture. Again especially check the Infamy. No wonder 50 singed since they have that in common. Songwrting and abillity of creating (catchy) chourses.
If Mobb Deeps album wasnt a street album then I dont know what the hell it was. I remember when "Put Them In Their Place" premiered and everybody was like "nah, no way thats the frist single, its not commercial enough". People were even complaining that its TOO street and that they shouldve released a club banger instead. Personally all I wanted from the first single, is to NOT be a club banger and to NOT have a cheesy 50 Cent hook.
Havoc DID produce half of the album. 7 out of 14 (its pointless count bonus tracks). Gunti apperances on more than half of the album ?? Young Buck, Tony Yayo and Banks were all on 1 track and 50 was on 2. Dont even try to say "but what about Its Alright". He mumbeled 3 words in the intro and thats it. Even if there were 14 50 featuers has it ever crossed your mind that Mobb Deep might have WANTED him on those 14 tracks. Do you really think 50 said "I have to be on 14 tracks." If you listen or read to any interviews you will see that they have huge mutual respect and there were like 20 leftover tracks featruing 50. Did it ever cross your mind that they like working with 50 ?
If I remember correctly you were the one that had that sig with the whole "fuck mobb deep for singing with 50 cent thing". Mobb Deep is one of the artist/group that got me into rap and I too was sceptical about them singing to GUnit. I was expecting a club banger with a 50 Cent hook and shit like that. But when Put Them In Their Place hit the net I knew this will turn out to be a dope project. Even if you look at GUnit verses on those tracks they were dope. I mean even Yayo sounded nice. Not to mention 50 probably ahd the best verse on the whole album (Creep).
Dont take this as a diss or something. I mean lets be realistic. Mobb Deep aint been what they used to be since the Infamy. Them singing to GUnit at least brought them back in the spotlight for about 6 months. And I dont care who they sign to in the future, even if its Britney Spears. As long as theyre making good music I couldnt care less.
Ok, to start lets get our facts straight on this one. Because there is no reason we should be arguing about something as factually indisputable as album credits.
Fact No. One :
9 out of 16 tracks on Blood Money are produced by people other than Havoc. (this is not even including the ShaMoney XL produced and Havoc co-produced tracks which would bring the total to 11 out of 16 tracks produced by people other than Havoc).
Fact No. Two :
9 out of 16 tracks on Blood Money feature a G-unit artist.
(As far as not including 50 on “it’s alright”, he does the freaking hook! And he’s listed on the back of the CD as a guest feature for the song…how can you possibly not count that as an appearance honestly?!)
And counting the bonus tracks might be something you don’t do, but the rest of the world does count them. They are on the album for a reason why do you think the record label included them if they were just “pointless”? So by my count G-unit features are in fact on more than half of the album and so is guest production. Now, all I’m trying to say here is that that type of outside involvement is unprecedented on a Mobb Deep album and clearly had a negative effect as evident in record sales, reviews and overall reception by the hip-hop community (which completely trashed Blood Money).
The vibe of the album was obnoxiously geared to be more palatable to mainstream audiences in an obvious way. Mobb Deep does street records naturally but this was no “street album” by any stretch. Any album like that with multiple songs geared toward a club audience and the mainstream pop radio can’t be considered a street album period. I have no idea what Mobb Deep records you listen to, or what you deem a club geared record but if you think Mobb Deep is a “sexy” franchise you might be crazy. Mobb Deep has put out over a dozen albums collectively and probably done thousands of songs (virtually all gutter and grimy) and you are going to say they’re considered “sleek and sexy” because of 2 maybe 3 songs (i.e. Hey Luv, Shorty Wop…etc) out of 1000+ songs? That’s absurd.
And you are probably right about Mobb Deep wanting the album to sound that way I don’t disagree. I think the blame falls on both sides. With Mobb Deep loosing sight of what makes them what they are and 50 being over zealous with the release of his labels first acquisition . But I totally disagree that in order for Mobb Deep to stay relevant or boost sales they should sell off some of their artistic integrity… that’s “selling out” by definition. And as a fan I certainly wouldn’t be supportive of that type of business move. I listen to music for the music, not because I’m interested in giving my money away as “support” or “respect” to an artist. That’s completely asinine and counter productive. If you do that for a record you don’t actually like then you are being misleading from the artist’s perspective. They see high sales and think “ok, I’m doing something right” or they see low sales and say “shit, maybe this is a bad move for me.”
Its obvious we wont agree about the whole 14, 16 tracks things so lets leave it at that.
The thing that bothers me is that this is your typical Mobb Deep cd. I dont think theyve changed a bit EXCEPT for 2, 3 tracks but you know thats label politics where your on a huge label like Interscope. Im surprised that they've even got away with releasing a non frinedly radio single. At elast not your typical Interscope one.
And about all the cameos. Well they are singed to the label. Dont you think if they singed to Doggystle, Snoop would be on 4 records ? Or DTP and Luda would be on 3 records ?
Dunno about this album being trashed. Most of them didnt like it but people were complaing about alst 3 Mobb albums so its no difference. Another 3 reasons why Mobb Deep was hated:
a) Them gettting all cocky about the sales
b) Singing to GUnit records which is/was one of the most succesfull labels in the past 5 years. People always hate on the people that are on top. I know if this was released on lets say Columbia, and 50 Cent being an unkown up and coming rapper the opinion would have been completley different. I mean 3/4 half of the people on the forums already made up their mind about this album being weak.
c) Lets face it Mobb Deep aint been the same ever since they released the Infamy and people have been pretty much trashing them ever since.
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Mobb Deep used to be so raw
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Lol and you call yourself a Mobb Deep fan. Ok, first of all, Mobb Deep has been making "sexy" "club songs ever since The Infany. DONT act like them creating a club joint or a joint for the chick NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 50s singing song hook style ? Are you crazy ? Theyve been doing that WAY beofre 50 Cent ever came into the picture. Again especially check the Infamy. No wonder 50 singed since they have that in common. Songwrting and abillity of creating (catchy) chourses.
If Mobb Deeps album wasnt a street album then I dont know what the hell it was. I remember when "Put Them In Their Place" premiered and everybody was like "nah, no way thats the frist single, its not commercial enough". People were even complaining that its TOO street and that they shouldve released a club banger instead. Personally all I wanted from the first single, is to NOT be a club banger and to NOT have a cheesy 50 Cent hook.
Havoc DID produce half of the album. 7 out of 14 (its pointless count bonus tracks). Gunti apperances on more than half of the album ?? Young Buck, Tony Yayo and Banks were all on 1 track and 50 was on 2. Dont even try to say "but what about Its Alright". He mumbeled 3 words in the intro and thats it. Even if there were 14 50 featuers has it ever crossed your mind that Mobb Deep might have WANTED him on those 14 tracks. Do you really think 50 said "I have to be on 14 tracks." If you listen or read to any interviews you will see that they have huge mutual respect and there were like 20 leftover tracks featruing 50. Did it ever cross your mind that they like working with 50 ?
If I remember correctly you were the one that had that sig with the whole "fuck mobb deep for singing with 50 cent thing". Mobb Deep is one of the artist/group that got me into rap and I too was sceptical about them singing to GUnit. I was expecting a club banger with a 50 Cent hook and shit like that. But when Put Them In Their Place hit the net I knew this will turn out to be a dope project. Even if you look at GUnit verses on those tracks they were dope. I mean even Yayo sounded nice. Not to mention 50 probably ahd the best verse on the whole album (Creep).
Dont take this as a diss or something. I mean lets be realistic. Mobb Deep aint been what they used to be since the Infamy. Them singing to GUnit at least brought them back in the spotlight for about 6 months. And I dont care who they sign to in the future, even if its Britney Spears. As long as theyre making good music I couldnt care less.
Ok, to start lets get our facts straight on this one. Because there is no reason we should be arguing about something as factually indisputable as album credits.
Fact No. One :
9 out of 16 tracks on Blood Money are produced by people other than Havoc. (this is not even including the ShaMoney XL produced and Havoc co-produced tracks which would bring the total to 11 out of 16 tracks produced by people other than Havoc).
Fact No. Two :
9 out of 16 tracks on Blood Money feature a G-unit artist.
(As far as not including 50 on “it’s alright”, he does the freaking hook! And he’s listed on the back of the CD as a guest feature for the song…how can you possibly not count that as an appearance honestly?!)
And counting the bonus tracks might be something you don’t do, but the rest of the world does count them. They are on the album for a reason why do you think the record label included them if they were just “pointless”? So by my count G-unit features are in fact on more than half of the album and so is guest production. Now, all I’m trying to say here is that that type of outside involvement is unprecedented on a Mobb Deep album and clearly had a negative effect as evident in record sales, reviews and overall reception by the hip-hop community (which completely trashed Blood Money).
The vibe of the album was obnoxiously geared to be more palatable to mainstream audiences in an obvious way. Mobb Deep does street records naturally but this was no “street album” by any stretch. Any album like that with multiple songs geared toward a club audience and the mainstream pop radio can’t be considered a street album period. I have no idea what Mobb Deep records you listen to, or what you deem a club geared record but if you think Mobb Deep is a “sexy” franchise you might be crazy. Mobb Deep has put out over a dozen albums collectively and probably done thousands of songs (virtually all gutter and grimy) and you are going to say they’re considered “sleek and sexy” because of 2 maybe 3 songs (i.e. Hey Luv, Shorty Wop…etc) out of 1000+ songs? That’s absurd.
And you are probably right about Mobb Deep wanting the album to sound that way I don’t disagree. I think the blame falls on both sides. With Mobb Deep loosing sight of what makes them what they are and 50 being over zealous with the release of his labels first acquisition . But I totally disagree that in order for Mobb Deep to stay relevant or boost sales they should sell off some of their artistic integrity… that’s “selling out” by definition. And as a fan I certainly wouldn’t be supportive of that type of business move. I listen to music for the music, not because I’m interested in giving my money away as “support” or “respect” to an artist. That’s completely asinine and counter productive. If you do that for a record you don’t actually like then you are being misleading from the artist’s perspective. They see high sales and think “ok, I’m doing something right” or they see low sales and say “shit, maybe this is a bad move for me.”
Its obvious we wont agree about the whole 14, 16 tracks things so lets leave it at that.
The thing that bothers me is that this is your typical Mobb Deep cd. I dont think theyve changed a bit EXCEPT for 2, 3 tracks but you know thats label politics where your on a huge label like Interscope. Im surprised that they've even got away with releasing a non frinedly radio single. At elast not your typical Interscope one.
And about all the cameos. Well they are singed to the label. Dont you think if they singed to Doggystle, Snoop would be on 4 records ? Or DTP and Luda would be on 3 records ?
Dunno about this album being trashed. Most of them didnt like it but people were complaing about alst 3 Mobb albums so its no difference. Another 3 reasons why Mobb Deep was hated:
a) Them gettting all cocky about the sales
b) Singing to GUnit records which is/was one of the most succesfull labels in the past 5 years. People always hate on the people that are on top. I know if this was released on lets say Columbia, and 50 Cent being an unkown up and coming rapper the opinion would have been completley different. I mean 3/4 half of the people on the forums already made up their mind about this album being weak.
c) Lets face it Mobb Deep aint been the same ever since they released the Infamy and people have been pretty much trashing them ever since.
i agree 100%, i dont think BM was so different then lets say Amerikaz Nightmare, its just the G-Unit *stamp* on it, with all the controversy and beefing and topping the charts of them people get irritated for various reasons and begin to hate them, when mobb deep signed to G-Unit Records, lots of people saw it as selling out, while i wasnt really disappointed by the album...i think its bangin 8)
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Mobb Deep only sold 250 k
I don't care what they shipped ;D
END OF THREAD
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that album is fiyahh u hatahs.
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Blood Money sold over 300k.
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HOW MUCH DID THE MOBB SELL CURTIS. I WANNA HEAR NUMBERS, NIGGA!
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Well, Murda Muzik went platinum of the strength of quiet storm and IMO hell on earth (gold) and Infamous (gold) were better albums so basically Blood Money not breaking 300k on interscope with the G-Unit brand and that level of promotion and exposure is utterly pathethic. I bet Prodigy sells between 150 and 200 k on Koch witch will probably be the most he's ever made on an album. That Return of The Mac mixtape is contending for the best thing comming out right now so I wouldn't be surprised if sales are high, and the $ is more than G-Unit which might mean the Mobb leaving (one can only hope).
I'll take that bet :D
jim jones did about 300,000 on Koch.
you wanna compare the amount of promotion jim jones had to what prodigy has? also would you like to compare the impact of the single jim jones had compared 2 prodigy? he will do 150,000 MAX.
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Well, Murda Muzik went platinum of the strength of quiet storm and IMO hell on earth (gold) and Infamous (gold) were better albums so basically Blood Money not breaking 300k on interscope with the G-Unit brand and that level of promotion and exposure is utterly pathethic. I bet Prodigy sells between 150 and 200 k on Koch witch will probably be the most he's ever made on an album. That Return of The Mac mixtape is contending for the best thing comming out right now so I wouldn't be surprised if sales are high, and the $ is more than G-Unit which might mean the Mobb leaving (one can only hope).
I'll take that bet :D
jim jones did about 300,000 on Koch.
you wanna compare the amount of promotion jim jones had to what prodigy has? also would you like to compare the impact of the single jim jones had compared 2 prodigy? he will do 150,000 MAX.
Well, Koch just sent Prodigy's single out a few days ago and the street date on the project is the end of March so right there you're looking at two months out for single momentum. Say what you will about Prodigy's popularity or [current] skill but just remember this is a 14 track major distribution release with Alchemist producing every single song. Not only that but everything we’ve heard from the album has been received positively by fans and non-fans thus far. I doubt it will be a huge album (especially since its being marketed as a mixtape like warm-up to Prodigy’s actually solo) but if the whole thing is as good as what we’re hearing I don’t see why it wouldn’t sell a fair amount.
As far as the whole Jim Jones single thing, eh it can goes both ways. “We fly High” was a really huge hit. It was all over radio everywhere and his album did 300k. You’d think with the popularity of that single he’d have done more so clearly there are other factors that contribute to sales.
So what should we wager? :)
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Game could've sold more if he released the right singles, Let's Ride was an awful choice, he should've dropped Wouldnt Get Far right after the One Blood joint, Look At Jeezy he dropped Go Getta and is almost at Game's numbers even though he dropped a month later and he still got that Timbo joint 3Am, Jeezy might sell close to 2 million
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Game could've sold more if he released the right singles, Let's Ride was an awful choice, he should've dropped Wouldnt Get Far right after the One Blood joint, Look At Jeezy he dropped Go Getta and is almost at Game's numbers even though he dropped a month later and he still got that Timbo joint 3Am, Jeezy might sell close to 2 million
Game shouldve sold a lot more. I mean the promo behind him was crazy. You aslo gotta respect his hustle. He was on every magazine, radio, tv.... Even if you knew nothing about the album you were basically forced to get info about it. Not to mention that he had all they hype off getting kicked out from GUnit/Aftermath. If he stayed on GUnit/Aftermath he'd sell even less, probably doing Busta numbers.
But these days nobody is selling shit, plus Game had no hit singles other than Wouldnt Get Far.
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"Have A Party", "Outta Control Remix" and Put em In They Place" were all pretty dope songs. They should have sold more but nobody was buying into them being on G Unit Records.
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yeah Game should have released too much as a single and TImbo the king, where are you located?
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i think their release on koch records in 2003 sold more than their g-unit release 8)
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CUUURTIIS, CUUURTIIIS, HOW MUCH DID MOBB SELL CUURTIS??????????
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.
Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.
Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO
Of course he didnt diss 50 for his sales, dissing 50 for that would be plain crazy. He compared himself to 50, saying how he'll retire if he wont do a million in the first week.
He did outsell all of GUnit artists but that had a lot to do with the controversy sournding him. Everybody was watining on how he'll do without Dre and 50. While the rest of Gunit artits were just GUnit artists point black. Nothing new or controversial about that. If Game stayed on Gunit he'd sell even less.
Even if you look at it from this perspective Banks went from 1.5 to 300 which is a 1.2 drop and Game went from 2.3 to 800 which is a 1.5 drop. Game also had a bigger fanbase from the first album so these numbers are completley logical.
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.
Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO
Of course he didnt diss 50 for his sales, dissing 50 for that would be plain crazy. He compared himself to 50, saying how he'll retire if he wont do a million in the first week.
He did outsell all of GUnit artists but that had a lot to do with the controversy sournding him. Everybody was watining on how he'll do without Dre and 50. While the rest of Gunit artits were just GUnit artists point black. Nothing new or controversial about that. If Game stayed on Gunit he'd sell even less.
Even if you look at it from this perspective Banks went from 1.5 to 300 which is a 1.2 drop and Game went from 2.3 to 800 which is a 1.5 drop. Game also had a bigger fanbase from the first album so these numbers are completley logical.
That makes no sense. Every G-Unit artist had 50 (the biggest artist in the game right now) on their first singles and still couldn't outsell Game with 2 solo singles that got little to no play? Let me guess...Junior Reed is more respected than 50? Lol
Fine, just to make you feel better - let's add the sales up because it is Game vs. G-Unit as a whole. So if you add up Yayo, Banks, and Mobb Deep they did outsell Game.
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Word to everything EFrain has said in this thread. He gets it.
Mobb Deep did this album to try to get 50's fanbase. Period. It was Mobb Deep meets G-Unit. Their timing was horrible. If they were gonna do this, they should have tried it a couple years earlier. They probably coulda exploited his fanbase for more sales. The funny thing was, this move to G-Unit was strictly to get at that fanbase, but it didn't work as evidenced by the shit sales compared to their other albums. Then on top of that you figure in that they also successfully alienated their core fanbase that had been buying their albums for years.
The 2 joints I've heard from Prodigy's new album are better than ANYTHING Mobb Deep has done on G-Unit. It's not even close.
LOL @ trying to say that G-Unit wasn't on over half of this album. That's a fucking lie so quit doing it. You're in serious denial here.
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so mobb deep did about 300k...lloyd banks did about 350k...Game is at 800k right now?
checkmate!
Its not checkmate. The whole reason why Game is getting laughed on all the forums is because he compared himself to 50 Cent and not Banks, Buck... If he did that everybody would be saying what you are right now, but instead everybody is laughing at Game for even thinking hes on 50s level.
"Sell another 5 millions, homie yes I am"
Actually it is checkmate. Listen to "Soundscan" - he never dissed 50 for his sales. Game wasn't a G-Unit CEO, he was a G-Unit artist. He outsold every other G-Unit artist (not including 50) while he was with them, and he outsold them without them.
Oh, and didn't 50 say that Yayo would outsell "The Documentary"? LMAO
Of course he didnt diss 50 for his sales, dissing 50 for that would be plain crazy. He compared himself to 50, saying how he'll retire if he wont do a million in the first week.
He did outsell all of GUnit artists but that had a lot to do with the controversy sournding him. Everybody was watining on how he'll do without Dre and 50. While the rest of Gunit artits were just GUnit artists point black. Nothing new or controversial about that. If Game stayed on Gunit he'd sell even less.
Even if you look at it from this perspective Banks went from 1.5 to 300 which is a 1.2 drop and Game went from 2.3 to 800 which is a 1.5 drop. Game also had a bigger fanbase from the first album so these numbers are completley logical.
That makes no sense. Every G-Unit artist had 50 (the biggest artist in the game right now) on their first singles and still couldn't outsell Game with 2 solo singles that got little to no play? Let me guess...Junior Reed is more respected than 50? Lol
Fine, just to make you feel better - let's add the sales up because it is Game vs. G-Unit as a whole. So if you add up Yayo, Banks, and Mobb Deep they did outsell Game.
Mobb Deep didnt have 50 on any singles for the album. And having 50 on your single doesnt mean you'll sell. That was the case 3 years ago, shit time went by and as history told us general public aint loyal.
Game outsould Mobb Deep and Banks because of they hype sournding him. Like Ive said before it was the deal with the whole ex-Aftermath/GUnit, plus Game hustled like crazy, while Banks thought he'd sell of the name alone. Even like you said Game had no hit singles and still managed to sell 800.000. Thats mostly of the hype alone. Getting kicked out of those 2 labels was the best thing that could have happen to Game.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
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That's not true.. If it was, then what happened to Busta Rhymes' album? He had a bunch of hot singles, he had dre's backing, and he released a remix with a bunch of artists on it, and had controversy with a body guard being shot.. He marketed alot, he was even on 'so you think you can dance'.. He had alot of concerts.. Yet, He only went Gold.
Give credit where credit is due, Game sold records and his album was good. The only thing that has slumped his sales (this far) has been a big delay between singles. His album has only been out for 3 months and he is certified platinum.. So let's just see what his album finishes at..
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It's sad to see that sales is the basis of what is and is not a good album these days but I blame the artist. 50 was bragging about units and sales and so were other members in his camp and when there is a dip in those sales? Nothing is said. Same with Game. Mobb did not sell because hardcore Mobb fans were not feeling them going to G-Unit and Prodigy pulled a Kurupt and fell the fuck off. They waited too long inbetween singles to put something out to and I am going to use 50's term, "general public". Game does have a point, the only person in G-Unit that can save it is 50. Buck maybe.
Cam's timing of bringing that up about Jimmy's sales vs Banks (which I think Jim has past Banks) was good, 2 years ago he would not have been able to say that. These rappers have the general public brainwashed into thinking sales. People would rather hit up a soundscan to see a flop or success then enjoy a record anymore.
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Well, the world is all about numbers, so that's hardly a surprise. You can hardly blame these rappers for talking about it all the time.
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Well, the world is all about numbers, so that's hardly a surprise. You can hardly blame these rappers for talking about it all the time.
It was not always like that though. And the rappers really do not control the numbers so they want to take credit when the numbers are good but don't want blame when they are bad. I don't feel any sympathy for any rapper bragging about sales onec they slump.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
I don’t think it’s as straight forward. There are a number of factors that contribute to sales. Some are more obvious like the singles, promotion the marketing and others are less obvious like sales history, uniqueness of sound, sound palatability, creativity, fan base loyalty and timing.
Some one like jay-z can put out an album like “Kingdom Come” that was pretty average by comparison and still have the greatest 1st week sales in 2006 (which he did). Now I would submit his numbers were the result of his past sales history, timing and optimal levels of promotion and marketing. People have heard a lot of Jay-Z, and his recent albums have been really good establishing enough good faith to get fans buying the album just because they believe given Jay’s history it will be a safe bet. Couple that with the whole “coming out of retirement” marketing scheme, the holiday sales push and big time promotion and that’s his sales right there.
Conversely someone like Ghostface who’s released two solid albums in 2006 can’t seem to do those high numbers. There is no doubt Ghostface’s albums are unique in sound, ahead of the curb in creativity and he’s had several radio worthy singles to boot. So why the sales slump? I would say he working against the mainstream snap and hip-hop (a very good thing btw!) in terms of sound palatability. Singles like “Back like that” provide the crossover sound necessary to get on radio but they sure don’t represent the rest of the album. Ghost’s palatability is limited in that regard to people who enjoy a uniqueness and creative edge to their music which results in a kind of an esoteric brand and smaller but loyal fan base.
Now a group like Mobb Deep is interesting because they represent the Ghostface category of artists trying to totally flip the script and be the Jay-Z artist. Before G-unit they had the creativity, the sound palatability, the uniqueness and the loyal fan base but once they switched things up with the move to G-unit they lost all of that and tried to rely solely on the single, the promotion and the marketing. Why didn’t they do those diamond numbers they were projecting? Because they lost the loyalty of their fan base, they released an album completely devoid of any uniqueness or creativity (complete and utter G-unit cookie cutter album to a T) and their timing couldn’t have been worse. They jumped on G-unit as people started getting sick of hearing about G-unit, they signed in light of being directly dissed by 50 on piggy bank and they signed at a time when the essence of hip-hop being watered down by hip-pop and snap was reaching it’s boiling point (no pun intended). The whole move was a total disaster.
It just goes to show that having the strongest record label backing you (Interscope), having the best selling brand (G-unit) behind you and what should have been a foolproof selling sound (see G-unit cookie cutter hooks, beats and features) can still result in a brick of an album if you neglect the other important factors that contribute to success.
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That's not true.. If it was, then what happened to Busta Rhymes' album? He had a bunch of hot singles, he had dre's backing, and he released a remix with a bunch of artists on it, and had controversy with a body guard being shot.. He marketed alot, he was even on 'so you think you can dance'.. He had alot of concerts.. Yet, He only went Gold.
Busta flopped because of the push backs. Touch It was huge in Decmeber, January but his album was released in June. He got fucked like crazy.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
I don’t think it’s as straight forward. There are a number of factors that contribute to sales. Some are more obvious like the singles, promotion the marketing and others are less obvious like sales history, uniqueness of sound, sound palatability, creativity, fan base loyalty and timing.
Some one like jay-z can put out an album like “Kingdom Come” that was pretty average by comparison and still have the greatest 1st week sales in 2006 (which he did). Now I would submit his numbers were the result of his past sales history, timing and optimal levels of promotion and marketing. People have heard a lot of Jay-Z, and his recent albums have been really good establishing enough good faith to get fans buying the album just because they believe given Jay’s history it will be a safe bet. Couple that with the whole “coming out of retirement” marketing scheme, the holiday sales push and big time promotion and that’s his sales right there.
Conversely someone like Ghostface who’s released two solid albums in 2006 can’t seem to do those high numbers. There is no doubt Ghostface’s albums are unique in sound, ahead of the curb in creativity and he’s had several radio worthy singles to boot. So why the sales slump? I would say he working against the mainstream snap and hip-hop (a very good thing btw!) in terms of sound palatability. Singles like “Back like that” provide the crossover sound necessary to get on radio but they sure don’t represent the rest of the album. Ghost’s palatability is limited in that regard to people who enjoy a uniqueness and creative edge to their music which results in a kind of an esoteric brand and smaller but loyal fan base.
Now a group like Mobb Deep is interesting because they represent the Ghostface category of artists trying to totally flip the script and be the Jay-Z artist. Before G-unit they had the creativity, the sound palatability, the uniqueness and the loyal fan base but once they switched things up with the move to G-unit they lost all of that and tried to rely solely on the single, the promotion and the marketing. Why didn’t they do those diamond numbers they were projecting? Because they lost the loyalty of their fan base, they released an album completely devoid of any uniqueness or creativity (complete and utter G-unit cookie cutter album to a T) and their timing couldn’t have been worse. They jumped on G-unit as people started getting sick of hearing about G-unit, they signed in light of being directly dissed by 50 on piggy bank and they signed at a time when the essence of hip-hop being watered down by hip-pop and snap was reaching it’s boiling point (no pun intended). The whole move was a total disaster.
It just goes to show that having the strongest record label backing you (Interscope), having the best selling brand (G-unit) behind you and what should have been a foolproof selling sound (see G-unit cookie cutter hooks, beats and features) can still result in a brick of an album if you neglect the other important factors that contribute to success.
^^^ REAL TALK MAN. +1
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That's not true.. If it was, then what happened to Busta Rhymes' album? He had a bunch of hot singles, he had dre's backing, and he released a remix with a bunch of artists on it, and had controversy with a body guard being shot.. He marketed alot, he was even on 'so you think you can dance'.. He had alot of concerts.. Yet, He only went Gold.
Busta flopped because of the push backs. Touch It was huge in Decmeber, January but his album was released in June. He got fucked like crazy.
True that.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
Now a group like Mobb Deep is interesting because they represent the Ghostface category of artists trying to totally flip the script and be the Jay-Z artist. Before G-unit they had the creativity, the sound palatability, the uniqueness and the loyal fan base but once they switched things up with the move to G-unit they lost all of that and tried to rely solely on the single, the promotion and the marketing. Why didn’t they do those diamond numbers they were projecting? Because they lost the loyalty of their fan base, they released an album completely devoid of any uniqueness or creativity (complete and utter G-unit cookie cutter album to a T) and their timing couldn’t have been worse. They jumped on G-unit as people started getting sick of hearing about G-unit, they signed in light of being directly dissed by 50 on piggy bank and they signed at a time when the essence of hip-hop being watered down by hip-pop and snap was reaching it’s boiling point (no pun intended). The whole move was a total disaster.
It just goes to show that having the strongest record label backing you (Interscope), having the best selling brand (G-unit) behind you and what should have been a foolproof selling sound (see G-unit cookie cutter hooks, beats and features) can still result in a brick of an album if you neglect the other important factors that contribute to success.
Lol at you acting like these are the real reason they flopped. Once again, stop saying like Mobb Deep had been making great music but as soon as they signed to GUnit they fell off. That is pure bullshit. Their whole music c.v. hasnt been the same since the Infamy and every fan knows that. They have been making pop/crossover tracks ever since that cd dropped.
And stop acting like the flop was somethign completley shocking. They flopped becuase of 3 things:
a) Put Them In Their Place was no club, pop banger
b) The push back from February to April
c) NOBODY IS SELLING SHIT THESE DAYS. And out of all the big acts that flloped this year its makes all the sense in the world that a has been group like Mobb Deep didnt do huge numbers.
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Mobb Deep's music was slipping a bit before the signing to G Unit, but for me the weak link is P. Havoc stepped up the beats but P was horrible on most of the tracks on Blood Money.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
Now a group like Mobb Deep is interesting because they represent the Ghostface category of artists trying to totally flip the script and be the Jay-Z artist. Before G-unit they had the creativity, the sound palatability, the uniqueness and the loyal fan base but once they switched things up with the move to G-unit they lost all of that and tried to rely solely on the single, the promotion and the marketing. Why didn’t they do those diamond numbers they were projecting? Because they lost the loyalty of their fan base, they released an album completely devoid of any uniqueness or creativity (complete and utter G-unit cookie cutter album to a T) and their timing couldn’t have been worse. They jumped on G-unit as people started getting sick of hearing about G-unit, they signed in light of being directly dissed by 50 on piggy bank and they signed at a time when the essence of hip-hop being watered down by hip-pop and snap was reaching it’s boiling point (no pun intended). The whole move was a total disaster.
It just goes to show that having the strongest record label backing you (Interscope), having the best selling brand (G-unit) behind you and what should have been a foolproof selling sound (see G-unit cookie cutter hooks, beats and features) can still result in a brick of an album if you neglect the other important factors that contribute to success.
Lol at you acting like these are the real reason they flopped. Once again, stop saying like Mobb Deep had been making great music but as soon as they signed to GUnit they fell off. That is pure bullshit. Their whole music c.v. hasnt been the same since the Infamy and every fan knows that. They have been making pop/crossover tracks ever since that cd dropped.
And stop acting like the flop was somethign completley shocking. They flopped becuase of 3 things:
a) Put Them In Their Place was no club, pop banger
b) The push back from February to April
c) NOBODY IS SELLING SHIT THESE DAYS. And out of all the big acts that flloped this year its makes all the sense in the world that a has been group like Mobb Deep didnt do huge numbers.
Ok, let’s cut through the bullshit here. If G-unit didn’t hurt Mobb Deep (as you suggest) then it must have helped them, right? That is essentially what you’re saying by disagreeing with me (who thinks it hurt them). So in your opinion Mobb Deep signing with G-Unit was a smart business move… a success really. It couldn’t have done both. It either hurt them or helped them so you tell me which did it do?
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It got them nowhere. They situation stayed the same. If they released it when Outta Control dropped things would be different. But because that didnt happen they did the same as they would on independt or any other major label. So in my opionon they didnt move anywhere.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
Well first, you said it's two things, but you listed four.
You're clearly of the current (and I use this phrase loosely) hip hop generation. I'm sorry man, you bring some dope hookups, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You're like the clueless exec who really understands nothing about Hip Hop but thinks there's some little formula that equals success. It's like you have no real feel for dope music or not, just whether they released what you would like to categorize as a "club banger" (btw, that might be the single worst buzz word in the industry) and hype their project.
If that were the case, there wouldn't be a severe decline in record sales, and the industry as a whole wouldn't be crumbling at the foundation. In fact, it's because every mainstream release follows your genius formula of hype + club banger for every album that it's all but completely destroyed the music industry. How do people not see that? I'll tell you how, it's because they have NO EAR for music nor any appreciation for it's artistic nature. They don't understand the intangible thing that makes music great and appealing to people of all ages. Rather, they think of it as some tangible "Product" that will be successful if marketed correctly. Well keep trying to force that square peg into the circular hole and see how far you get.
It got them nowhere. They situation stayed the same. If they released it when Outta Control dropped things would be different. But because that didnt happen they did the same as they would on independt or any other major label. So in my opionon they didnt move anywhere.
Dude you have got to be kidding. You have so many excuses when a G-Unit album flops. I'm starting to wonder if you're on their e-team or something. Mobb Deep alienated a HUGE portion of their fanbase by putting out that album. I own everything they've ever done, I even bought Amerikaz Nightmare which had it's very good and some weak moments. But I didn't purchase Blood Money as it was BY FAR the WORST and lamest excuse for a Mobb Deep album that I've ever heard. And I guarantee you there were thousands of people just like me. Now they hoped to get at 50's supposedly loyal fanbase to hit platinum but it backfired terribly. And going forward, I'll never buy a Mobb Deep album w/o listening to it first, where as in the past I bought them on their release date. They'll have to regain that credibility.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
Well first, you said it's two things, but you listed four.
You're clearly of the current (and I use this phrase loosely) hip hop generation. I'm sorry man, you bring some dope hookups, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You're like the clueless exec who really understands nothing about Hip Hop but thinks there's some little formula that equals success. It's like you have no real feel for dope music or not, just whether they released what you would like to categorize as a "club banger" (btw, that might be the single worst buzz word in the industry) and hype their project.
If that were the case, there wouldn't be a severe decline in record sales, and the industry as a whole wouldn't be crumbling at the foundation. In fact, it's because every mainstream release follows your genius formula of hype + club banger for every album that it's all but completely destroyed the music industry. How do people not see that? I'll tell you how, it's because they have NO EAR for music nor any appreciation for it's artistic nature. They don't understand the intangible thing that makes music great and appealing to people of all ages. Rather, they think of it as some tangible "Product" that will be successful if marketed correctly. Well keep trying to force that square peg into the circular hole and see how far you get.
It got them nowhere. They situation stayed the same. If they released it when Outta Control dropped things would be different. But because that didnt happen they did the same as they would on independt or any other major label. So in my opionon they didnt move anywhere.
Dude you have got to be kidding. You have so many excuses when a G-Unit album flops. I'm starting to wonder if you're on their e-team or something. Mobb Deep alienated a HUGE portion of their fanbase by putting out that album. I own everything they've ever done, I even bought Amerikaz Nightmare which had it's very good and some weak moments. But I didn't purchase Blood Money as it was BY FAR the WORST and lamest excuse for a Mobb Deep album that I've ever heard. And I guarantee you there were thousands of people just like me. Now they hoped to get at 50's supposedly loyal fanbase to hit platinum but it backfired terribly. And going forward, I'll never buy a Mobb Deep album w/o listening to it first, where as in the past I bought them on their release date. They'll have to regain that credibility.
You got me all wrong. Its not that I like the formula of a club banger and promotion but its the way it is.
Im making exuses about GUnit flops ? There have only been 2 so far and Ive always said that Banks flopped period. But with Mobb Deep Im postive that they wouldnt do anything different on any different label, simply becuase their passed by.
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So what i gather from this meeting of minds, the only way to get decent sales is hype?...What has this world come to.
Its 2 things if you ask me:
a) Having hype, hustling, being an attention whore
b) Creating hit singles
Well first, you said it's two things, but you listed four.
You're clearly of the current (and I use this phrase loosely) hip hop generation. I'm sorry man, you bring some dope hookups, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You're like the clueless exec who really understands nothing about Hip Hop but thinks there's some little formula that equals success. It's like you have no real feel for dope music or not, just whether they released what you would like to categorize as a "club banger" (btw, that might be the single worst buzz word in the industry) and hype their project.
If that were the case, there wouldn't be a severe decline in record sales, and the industry as a whole wouldn't be crumbling at the foundation. In fact, it's because every mainstream release follows your genius formula of hype + club banger for every album that it's all but completely destroyed the music industry. How do people not see that? I'll tell you how, it's because they have NO EAR for music nor any appreciation for it's artistic nature. They don't understand the intangible thing that makes music great and appealing to people of all ages. Rather, they think of it as some tangible "Product" that will be successful if marketed correctly. Well keep trying to force that square peg into the circular hole and see how far you get.
It got them nowhere. They situation stayed the same. If they released it when Outta Control dropped things would be different. But because that didnt happen they did the same as they would on independt or any other major label. So in my opionon they didnt move anywhere.
Dude you have got to be kidding. You have so many excuses when a G-Unit album flops. I'm starting to wonder if you're on their e-team or something. Mobb Deep alienated a HUGE portion of their fanbase by putting out that album. I own everything they've ever done, I even bought Amerikaz Nightmare which had it's very good and some weak moments. But I didn't purchase Blood Money as it was BY FAR the WORST and lamest excuse for a Mobb Deep album that I've ever heard. And I guarantee you there were thousands of people just like me. Now they hoped to get at 50's supposedly loyal fanbase to hit platinum but it backfired terribly. And going forward, I'll never buy a Mobb Deep album w/o listening to it first, where as in the past I bought them on their release date. They'll have to regain that credibility.
You got me all wrong. Its not that I like the formula of a club banger and promotion but its the way it is.
Im making exuses about GUnit flops ? There have only been 2 so far and Ive always said that Banks flopped period. But with Mobb Deep Im postive that they wouldnt do anything different on any different label, simply becuase their passed by.
there's been 3. Don't forget Lil Scrappy. The only reason he isn't on "G-Unit" is because of contract issues. But his album was executive produced by 50 Cent and and most of it was featuring G-Unit or produced by G-Unit/Aftermath related producers.. He even screams out G-Unit on a bunch of songs..
But i know.. you'll find some way to technically discount them. :)