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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: MIAMI4LIFE on February 20, 2007, 07:00:19 AM
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in the 10th anniversary of Biggie's Death issue named BIG as the GOAT, what y'all think
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Well old news, there aleady have a lot of discussions about this but hell naw , there are at least 5 MCS better than Biggie.. he's the most overrated of all time (Pac is too but way less).. The Source is a NY magazine so of course they gave it to him
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The reason BIG gets so much love is because his career got cut short and a lot of the material he recorded was dope (as with nearly every rapper's first few years of recording). Basically, he didn't have time to fall off.
Same with Bruce Lee - if he lived a few more years, made a few turkeys and got fat, he wouldn't be revered like he is now.
Conversely, if Michael Jackson had been gunned down after the Dangerous album came out he would have pissed on Prince and Elvis in the pop GOAT stakes.
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The reason BIG gets so much love is because his career got cut short and a lot of the material he recorded was dope (as with nearly every rapper's first few years of recording). Basically, he didn't have time to fall off.
Same with Bruce Lee - if he lived a few more years, made a few turkeys and got fat, he wouldn't be revered like he is now.
Conversely, if Michael Jackson had been gunned down after the Dangerous album came out he would have pissed on Prince and Elvis in the pop GOAT stakes.
I am the worlds biggest BIG fan, but I never thought of it that way. Excellent point.
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Hell nah he ain't tha GOAT.
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Hell nah he ain't tha GOAT.
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2pac>>>>>>>>>biggie
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hes not the greatest but he was already better than 2Pac
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It's too bad they're wrong.
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Biggie woz dope, but the argument over who is the GOAT will go on forever, every1 has their own opinion on the GOAT.
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Pac >>>>>>>>> Big
Simply cos Pac's music was deeper, had more passion and he had a bigger impact, sure BIG is a better MC but Pac has to be the GOAT after you consider his impact, legacy, passion, depth etc.....
Both are overrated sure, but i feel that Jay-Z is the most overatted of all time, and that the GOAT list should go:
1. Pac
2. Nas
3. Prodigy (In his PRIME) :o
4. Big
5. Rakim/ Big L (Died Too Soon)/ Jay-Z (Only because of his ability to stay on top of the game)
This is simply my personal Opinion...
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Big was a great rhymer, he could put words together better than most BUT he aint the goat to me because his songs dont have enough substance to them in terms of topic matter.
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there is atleast 5 people from the East Coast thats better than him.
LOL at the Source. :D
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he was good even great but he cant touch Rakim in my book.
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Nas>>>Biggie
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i could have sworn the source also said 2pac was the GOAT..
i think they mean Greatests Of all Time.. like plural.
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G Rap > Biggie
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LOL @ considering what The Source says iin 2007.
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2pac>BIG
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BIG was great, but def not the GOAT. Ready to Die is a classic, LAD was very good, but not classic. And I really believe that if he had been alive for another album it would have been even worse. Puff was really forcing that over popped out shit on BadBoy and I have the feeling that BIG's next album would have had one too many 80's remakes and jiggy shiny suits.
If I remember correct, when the source did the making of LAD, there were comments about BIG wanting to do more grimey shit but Puff vetoing the shit left and right. Puff also wasn't feeling Premo's beats he submitted for that album. So as a selfish music fan, I'm glad there were no more official BIG albums.
Oh and:
LOL @ considering what The Source says iin 2007.
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i could have sworn the source also said 2pac was the GOAT..
I think you're thinking of VIBE.
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Hell nah he ain't tha GOAT.
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Conversely, if Michael Jackson had been gunned down after the Dangerous album came out he would have pissed on Prince and Elvis in the pop GOAT stakes.
Who says Prince is bigger than Jackson? I like Prince and definately prefer listening to and watching him but I don't consider him as famous or popular. Elvis is different though. Jackson would have never been bigger than Elvis in the grand scheme of things. Elvis will always be remembered as the first megastar of pop music and the catalyst of a change in society. Mike could have died between Bad and Dangerous and released Dangerous posthumously and sell 20 million more but he'd still just be seen as the megastar of the 80s; a popular act but not responsible for changing the scene of music, or improving it.
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Conversely, if Michael Jackson had been gunned down after the Dangerous album came out he would have pissed on Prince and Elvis in the pop GOAT stakes.
Who says Prince is bigger than Jackson? I like Prince and definately prefer listening to and watching him but I don't consider him as famous or popular. Elvis is different though. Jackson would have never been bigger than Elvis in the grand scheme of things. Elvis will always be remembered as the first megastar of pop music and the catalyst of a change in society. Mike could have died between Bad and Dangerous and released Dangerous posthumously and sell 20 million more but he'd still just be seen as the megastar of the 80s; a popular act but not responsible for changing the scene of music, or improving it.
lol, I took that from Chris Rock's Prince vs MJ thing.
The point I was making is that basically if an artist dies in tragic circumstances and has their career cut short, people generally tend to talk up their talent, and forget their shortcomings.
Jrome made the point better than I did; imagine if Biggie was still making music now, would they still be big hits or would he be seen as another washed-up 90s rapper?
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anyone denying biggies talent needs to get checked, go ask your regular nigga on the street who dont check internets and shit who the best is....alot of niggaz recognize big is better than pac......i aint saying this is my view, pac is my fav rapper of all time then snoop.....but big was a monster, nuff said
peace
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if you check only for lyrics, big wouldnt be the best either, probably would be some cat like nas or ras kass in that case, and dont say they fell off, if big was still alive he woulda sold out according to anyone as well. both big and 2pac's deaths made them more credible, fuck that, i might even as going as far to say they sold out by dying, since when they was alive less cats was checking for them then when they died...
its just artists/rappers lives changes, so does their raps, and since nothing will stay the same better shut your gaps (no homo) and just accept hiphop is changing, and will alwasy continue to change.
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100% say No (including me). Dayumn.
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yo xander how can someone sell out by dying?
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Conversely, if Michael Jackson had been gunned down after the Dangerous album came out he would have pissed on Prince and Elvis in the pop GOAT stakes.
Who says Prince is bigger than Jackson? I like Prince and definately prefer listening to and watching him but I don't consider him as famous or popular. Elvis is different though. Jackson would have never been bigger than Elvis in the grand scheme of things. Elvis will always be remembered as the first megastar of pop music and the catalyst of a change in society. Mike could have died between Bad and Dangerous and released Dangerous posthumously and sell 20 million more but he'd still just be seen as the megastar of the 80s; a popular act but not responsible for changing the scene of music, or improving it.
lol, I took that from Chris Rock's Prince vs MJ thing.
The point I was making is that basically if an artist dies in tragic circumstances and has their career cut short, people generally tend to talk up their talent, and forget their shortcomings.
Jrome made the point better than I did; imagine if Biggie was still making music now, would they still be big hits or would he be seen as another washed-up 90s rapper?
I'm not arguing anything else you said. I agree with you 100% and I understood what you meant. I've been saying it for years about Biggie. It's like if Marino died after his second season in the league, everyone would say he would have made it to 3 or 4 Superbowls since his sophomore year he made it while putting up 5000 yards, but Dan never got there again. He also never hit 5000 again and only came close again once. That being said both Marino and Biggie were amazing but Marino got the chance to fall into mediocrity (in a couple seasons and a few playoff games) while Biggie was immortalized by 2 albums.
I just wondered about your MJ comment.
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RIP Big but I gotta say NO
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B.I.G. was the better MC, Pac was the better lyricist (and he had the better voice, IMO). On the other hand, B.I.G. was far better at balancing mainstream and underground styles than Pac was; he could sound just as good over Diddy's production as Primo's or Easy Mo Bee's.
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yo xander how can someone sell out by dying?
I didnt mean it ltierally, i meant it like in they started selling (even) more and gained (even) more popularity after they passed away, and just because their material now is very limited (pac's remixes, recylced songs and w/e are not NEW material imo) so that everyone sees them as legends.
if they stayed alive they would have "fallen off" just as hard as anyone says about other rappers (50 cent, nas, ras kass, and whoever else fits in this category) so basically they sold out by dying, that made them "goat's" but not to me, theres dozens of better mc's/rappers/songwriters then pac and biggie
but like i said i didnt mean it literally and its alos just my opinion
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hes not the greatest but he was already better than 2Pac
Agreed
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Damn, this is the most one sided poll ever.
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both big and 2pac's deaths made them more credible, fuck that, i might even as going as far to say they sold out by dying, since when they was alive less cats was checking for them then when they died...
Huh? Doggy BIG & Pac were the crowned fuckin dons of their era before they died. Sure their deaths gave them sales spikes, but they were plenty credible prior to their deaths.
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biggie smalls is the illest
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2pac>>>>>>>>>biggie
eazy
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wow that's as ridiculous as they come
people need to stop lickin his balls just because he's dead, same with 2Pac
in my opinon, there is no greatest ever
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oh yeh
Big L >>> Biggie
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oh yeh
Big L >>> Biggie
fo sho
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Damn, this is the most one sided poll ever.
That's what I was thinking, put Pac's name at the top and it'd be a bit more even. (even if he ain't the GOAT)
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Am not sure about that..
but Biggie did coem out with sick flows every once in awhile..
so did Pac..
but like sum1 already mentioned..pple's opinions will always differe on this topic..
Sum tiem back..LL Cool J-crowned himself GOAT....lol
But it s nice to see that this thread has some balance..
Cuz i was on wcrydaz..and 90% of the folks in there murdered 2pac..they considered him the worst rapper alive-i was kinda shcoked..but then again..thats their opinion...