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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lunatic on March 02, 2007, 08:12:58 PM
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
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hes a good rapper who doesnt relly on a gimmick?
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hes a good rapper who doesnt relly on a gimmick?
so your saying he's simply just ahead of the mainstream pack (good)? or that he's bad, and leads the mainstream pack (bad)?
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
Well it's not like T.I. just sold 1.5 mil out of nowhere. Trap Musik I think went gold, Urban Legend went platinum and this last one is this biggest to date. He had a movie out around the time of his album, although this is bad publicity his friend was killed, he had that on going thing with is he beefing with Ludacris or not, and he picked some nice singles to promote the album so I think the work put in to promote paid off. And hip hop fans down south are very loyal customers so he was able to increase and appeal to a bigger audience.
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
Well it's not like T.I. just sold 1.5 mil out of nowhere. Trap Musik I think went gold, Urban Legend went platinum and this last one is this biggest to date. He had a movie out around the time of his album, although this is bad publicity his friend was killed, he had that on going thing with is he beefing with Ludacris or not, and he picked some nice singles to promote the album so I think the work put in to promote paid off. And hip hop fans down south are very loyal customers so he was able to increase and appeal to a bigger audience.
Just for a heads up, Trap Muzik i believe has been certified plat. It was 997,000 last time I heard about it, so i'm assuming it past that 1 mill mark. Even if not, I think it's fair to give him that 3,000 stretch lol. Urban Legend did sell 1.3 mill, that is correct. Imagine if he had an impact of a 3rd single (ASAP/Motivation are great songs, but were bad single choices. Get Loose would of been great, very club oriented tracks, and at the time T.I. & Nelly were touring, so they could of even performed it together). True, the movie sure as hell helped. yes, his friend died, and (sadly) any publicity is good publicity. The beef with luda was kinda dated when King came out, but Flip's wasnt, and he sure as hell won that beef. It was indeed 1 of the most promoted albums of the year. that's the best explanation so far d-nice, props ;D
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
Well it's not like T.I. just sold 1.5 mil out of nowhere. Trap Musik I think went gold, Urban Legend went platinum and this last one is this biggest to date. He had a movie out around the time of his album, although this is bad publicity his friend was killed, he had that on going thing with is he beefing with Ludacris or not, and he picked some nice singles to promote the album so I think the work put in to promote paid off. And hip hop fans down south are very loyal customers so he was able to increase and appeal to a bigger audience.
Just for a heads up, Trap Muzik i believe has been certified plat. It was 997,000 last time I heard about it, so i'm assuming it past that 1 mill mark. Even if not, I think it's fair to give him that 3,000 stretch lol. Urban Legend did sell 1.3 mill, that is correct. Imagine if he had an impact of a 3rd single (ASAP/Motivation are great songs, but were bad single choices. Get Loose would of been great, very club oriented tracks, and at the time T.I. & Nelly were touring, so they could of even performed it together). True, the movie sure as hell helped. yes, his friend died, and (sadly) any publicity is good publicity. The beef with luda was kinda dated when King came out, but Flip's wasnt, and he sure as hell won that beef. It was indeed 1 of the most promoted albums of the year. that's the best explanation so far d-nice, props ;D
Wow I did not know Trap Musik sold that much. I think the Ludacris thing created a buzz because most people wanted to see them battle each other. The Flip beef did create alot of interest and he did alot of side projects with Diddy and wasn't he a model for Sean John or Rocawear for a little bit? I am bumping King right now and What You Know About That was a CRAZY song. Live In The Sky is ironic that it is on the album and his friend died so it was the perfect song to drop as a tribute and a single. Everything fell right into place for him last year, but the earlier records set it up also.
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He sells cause the South supports their own music like no other region does.
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
Well it's not like T.I. just sold 1.5 mil out of nowhere. Trap Musik I think went gold, Urban Legend went platinum and this last one is this biggest to date. He had a movie out around the time of his album, although this is bad publicity his friend was killed, he had that on going thing with is he beefing with Ludacris or not, and he picked some nice singles to promote the album so I think the work put in to promote paid off. And hip hop fans down south are very loyal customers so he was able to increase and appeal to a bigger audience.
Just for a heads up, Trap Muzik i believe has been certified plat. It was 997,000 last time I heard about it, so i'm assuming it past that 1 mill mark. Even if not, I think it's fair to give him that 3,000 stretch lol. Urban Legend did sell 1.3 mill, that is correct. Imagine if he had an impact of a 3rd single (ASAP/Motivation are great songs, but were bad single choices. Get Loose would of been great, very club oriented tracks, and at the time T.I. & Nelly were touring, so they could of even performed it together). True, the movie sure as hell helped. yes, his friend died, and (sadly) any publicity is good publicity. The beef with luda was kinda dated when King came out, but Flip's wasnt, and he sure as hell won that beef. It was indeed 1 of the most promoted albums of the year. that's the best explanation so far d-nice, props ;D
Wow I did not know Trap Musik sold that much. I think the Ludacris thing created a buzz because most people wanted to see them battle each other. The Flip beef did create alot of interest and he did alot of side projects with Diddy and wasn't he a model for Sean John or Rocawear for a little bit? I am bumping King right now and What You Know About That was a CRAZY song. Live In The Sky is ironic that it is on the album and his friend died so it was the perfect song to drop as a tribute and a single. Everything fell right into place for him last year, but the earlier records set it up also.
Yea, Trap Muzik did decent #s. But it did have 4 videos. he was a model for rocawear, not to sure about the sean john thing. What You Know is NUTS. the beat is another level man. Yea, Live In The Sky was a good single, used more as a tribute, not a good commercial song. Defanitely What You Know & Why You Wanna set the sales up. 1 of my my fav. things about T.I. is how he fucks with the same ppl for the most part over & over. He didn't tap no big name producers for these singles. What You Know was produced by DJ Toomp who has already done a shit load of T.I. singles in the past (even before he blew up). Why You Wanna was produced by a grand hustle in-house producer. I also believe Keith Mack (live in the sky producer) is a grand hustle in-house producer.
to the last post: why didn't d4l sell then? shit, they from the exact same hood as T.I.
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D4L is GABBAGE! Tried to make it big off of a pop ass single. The days of that are over. I was praying to God they album would not go gold or platinum.
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D4L is GABBAGE! Tried to make it big off of a pop ass single. The days of that are over. I was praying to God they album would not go gold or platinum.
same. it didn't even hit gold. believe it or not, i know people who will say the following: "man fuck rap, fuck d4l, dfb, yung joc, jibbs, T.I.". to me, T.I. don't belong in the same sentence as those ppl, but whatever. also d-nice me & you always talk bout promoting your record, puttin shit out, and T.I. is 1 of the best at that.
--I'm Serious - 2 videos. the album flopped. when arista denied him the budget to shoot a 2nd video, he used his own $ 2 do so.
--trap muzik - 4 videos. the last video got play well in2 the time that his 1st single off his next album was debuting. the album held a buzz for well over a year on t.v...how many rappers do that?
--urban leged - 3 videos. throw in that his 2nd single, got a bit of play at the end of his 1st single, and he also used his 3rd single as a split video for 2 songs off the album
--king - been mentioned with all the promotion
the only other project that didn't get enough promotion besides i'm serious (which wasn't his fault) was the p$c project.
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Aww hell nah, they did go gold.
D4L DOWN FOR LIFE 03/31/06 ATLANTIC G ALBUM GROUP Std
Oh well, I don't even know why they took Nas' Hip Hop Is Dead line personally. They ain't hip hop.
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Aww hell nah, they did go gold.
D4L DOWN FOR LIFE 03/31/06 ATLANTIC G ALBUM GROUP Std
Oh well, I don't even know why they took Nas' Hip Hop Is Dead line personally. They ain't hip hop.
damn. you know how them labels do though sometimes, say 1 of there records went gold, and it didn't really hit 500,000. Ice Cube & E-40 both had there labels certify them gold quite before they had hit the 500,000 plateau
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Aww hell nah, they did go gold.
D4L DOWN FOR LIFE 03/31/06 ATLANTIC G ALBUM GROUP Std
Oh well, I don't even know why they took Nas' Hip Hop Is Dead line personally. They ain't hip hop.
damn. you know how them labels do though sometimes, say 1 of there records went gold, and it didn't really hit 500,000. Ice Cube & E-40 both had there labels certify them gold quite before they had hit the 500,000 plateau
True. RIAA goes by shipped units.
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Aww hell nah, they did go gold.
D4L DOWN FOR LIFE 03/31/06 ATLANTIC G ALBUM GROUP Std
Oh well, I don't even know why they took Nas' Hip Hop Is Dead line personally. They ain't hip hop.
damn. you know how them labels do though sometimes, say 1 of there records went gold, and it didn't really hit 500,000. Ice Cube & E-40 both had there labels certify them gold quite before they had hit the 500,000 plateau
True. RIAA goes by shipped units.
yea, that bothers me. I understand why, but still. LL Cool J was "certified gold" when dude was at like 350,000 MAX :-\
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well i think it's a combination of this:
1. the south supports their music (chitlins circuit anyone?)
2. the south is popular within the music industry particularly Atlanta~TI= atlanta hip hop right now
3. he's very mild on the gimmicky fag trends, so it's ok for guys to like him
4. every black girl i know wants to get dicked down by him so girls like him
5. being in a hood movie helps alot
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I gots no idea why. King was nuthin special.
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he was already building up steam with his past releases and he had alot of publicity including the movie coming out and he came with a hot single "What You Know" and before you know it he went gold his first week, wasn't his best album but did have some bangers on it, and "Top Back" is getting play on that car commercial so he's still on the charts a year later
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dude got tons of charisma, one of the smoothest flows in history that everybody seems to like(not sayin he´s got one of the best overall flows). and he´s worked a whole lot harder then your favorite rapper and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually. and he had great cross promotion by starring in a hit movie at the same time his album dropped. not to mention that he´s very respected among his peers(having Jay-Z and others goin on the radio and saying you´re a top 5 rapper doesn´t hurt).
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dude got tons of charisma, one of the smoothest flows in history that everybody seems to like(not sayin he´s got one of the best overall flows). and he´s worked a whole lot harder then your favorite rapper and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually. and he had great cross promotion by starring in a hit movie at the same time his album dropped. not to mention that he´s very respected among his peers(having Jay-Z and others goin on the radio and saying you´re a top 5 rapper doesn´t hurt).
Co-sign
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It is not just every "black" girl that is obsessed with him, it's all races. This guy is the biggest sex symbol in rap as far as males are concerned. That is THE reason why he sold so much.
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well i think it's a combination of this:
1. the south supports their music (chitlins circuit anyone?)
2. the south is popular within the music industry particularly Atlanta~TI= atlanta hip hop right now
3. he's very mild on the gimmicky fag trends, so it's ok for guys to like him
4. every black girl i know wants to get dicked down by him so girls like him
5. being in a hood movie helps alot
Your correct
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he sells much cause people buy his albums ! :))
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for the same reason Jeezy sells, and Joc sells.... its wack ass music that for some reason some people like
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Because he doesn't experiment or try anything different.. He has a solid fan base that will get him 750,000.. the promotion does the rest.
You are never going to hear TI do anything different than his previous albums.. That is why he keeps his producers the same.. I honestly was suprised to hear "why you wanna" on the album.
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for the same reason Jeezy sells, and Joc sells.... its wack ass music that for some reason some people like
wayyyy off dog. just read every1 else's response here besides yourself, and i think maybe 1 other person.
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hes a good rapper who doesnt relly on a gimmick?
agree
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The King's back!
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The King's back!
dope ass record
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hes a good rapper who doesnt relly on a gimmick?
agree
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I don't get it.
Then we are 2 who doesn't get it :?:
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yall are some dumb asses...use your memories to throw it back a good two years and remember the movie ATL? It was tied into the promotion of TI's album and the commercials for the movie played damn near the whole song "what you know about that?" so cross marketing, timing and good promotion are what sent that album over the top.
...much like jay z used his cross promotion skills to push kingdom come.
the lesson learned today is that even the shittiest music will sell if you shove it down consumers throats.
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yall are some dumb asses...use your memories to throw it back a good two years and remember the movie ATL? It was tied into the promotion of TI's album and the commercials for the movie played damn near the whole song "what you know about that?" so cross marketing, timing and good promotion are what sent that album over the top.
...much like jay z used his cross promotion skills to push kingdom come.
the lesson learned today is that even the shittiest music will sell if you shove it down consumers throats.
A good 2 yrs for ATL? were not even at a single year yet. diddy's album was shoved down our throats, and that sold as well, correct? ooh wait, NO. think first dog
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is ATL the movie yall are talking about? I never heard of him being in a movie
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and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
T.I. is dope. i don't prefer him over any of the artists that i like but he is dope and his songs come together nicely.
shoulder lean is gimmicky, but not so much in a bad way.
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is ATL the movie yall are talking about? I never heard of him being in a movie
someone said:
and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
T.I. is dope. i don't prefer him over any of the artists that i like but he is dope and his songs come together nicely.
shoulder lean is gimmicky, but not so much in a bad way.
-T
yes, ATL. he is the star in it. Shoulder Lean is indeed gimmicky, but that was Young Dro's song. I know he's the boss of Dro, but it's still not his song.
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is ATL the movie yall are talking about? I never heard of him being in a movie
someone said:
and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
T.I. is dope. i don't prefer him over any of the artists that i like but he is dope and his songs come together nicely.
shoulder lean is gimmicky, but not so much in a bad way.
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yes, ATL. he is the star in it. Shoulder Lean is indeed gimmicky, but that was Young Dro's song. I know he's the boss of Dro, but it's still not his song.
I wasn't dissing it, it's a good song. Just saying to the people who are saying he ain't gimmicky.
-T
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is ATL the movie yall are talking about? I never heard of him being in a movie
someone said:
and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
T.I. is dope. i don't prefer him over any of the artists that i like but he is dope and his songs come together nicely.
shoulder lean is gimmicky, but not so much in a bad way.
-T
yes, ATL. he is the star in it. Shoulder Lean is indeed gimmicky, but that was Young Dro's song. I know he's the boss of Dro, but it's still not his song.
I wasn't dissing it, it's a good song. Just saying to the people who are saying he ain't gimmicky.
-T
ooh i know. i'm just saying that was a dro single
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is ATL the movie yall are talking about? I never heard of him being in a movie
someone said:
and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
T.I. is dope. i don't prefer him over any of the artists that i like but he is dope and his songs come together nicely.
shoulder lean is gimmicky, but not so much in a bad way.
-T
yes, ATL. he is the star in it. Shoulder Lean is indeed gimmicky, but that was Young Dro's song. I know he's the boss of Dro, but it's still not his song.
I wasn't dissing it, it's a good song. Just saying to the people who are saying he ain't gimmicky.
-T
ooh i know. i'm just saying that was a dro single
oh word, +1
-T
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and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
do you know what grinding and putting in work is? well that´s something that Ras Kass hasn´t done, period. he´s a whining little bitch, you aint hear T.I. whining like a 5 year old child when his first album flopped. he regrouped and worked 10x harder. if Ras Kass was working his fucking ass off and putting himself in the public eye success would eventually come his way. but the ho rather whine about his record company fucking him over(how you gonna complain about a contract you signed especially when you´re as "smart" as Ras lol?)and this and that.
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and if you grind extremely hard success will come your way eventually.-Tell THAT to Ras Kass...
do you know what grinding and putting in work is? well that´s something that Ras Kass hasn´t done, period. he´s a whining little bitch, you aint hear T.I. whining like a 5 year old child when his first album flopped. he regrouped and worked 10x harder. if Ras Kass was working his fucking ass off and putting himself in the public eye success would eventually come his way. but the ho rather whine about his record company fucking him over(how you gonna complain about a contract you signed especially when you´re as "smart" as Ras lol?)and this and that.
Don't got much to say about Ras, but the T.I. thing was true. Arista fucked him over major, and he never bitched on it. He dropped a few street mixtapes which got him a buzz agian (T.I. & P$C In The Streets Vol 1-3) and Atlantic gave him a chance. It's really paid off. Instead of dissin arista and shit, he proved them wrong, and even takes a playful jab at them on the king album :D
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T.I. has had some good production on his singles (for the most part). Some of those beats are undeniable. So I give a lot of credit for that. And yeah, he's got a swag to him which is what most of yall look for in a rapper. I've never seen him as much more than that.
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T.I. has had some good production on his singles (for the most part). Some of those beats are undeniable. So I give a lot of credit for that. And yeah, he's got a swag to him which is what most of yall look for in a rapper. I've never seen him as much more than that.
he's actually a lyricist too, it's easy to miss it but I was fortunate enough to have a real hip hop head ass head show him to me, and he showed me some mixtape stuff where he was just spittin' and it sounded very different than the radio stuff.
-T
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T.I. has had some good production on his singles (for the most part). Some of those beats are undeniable. So I give a lot of credit for that. And yeah, he's got a swag to him which is what most of yall look for in a rapper. I've never seen him as much more than that.
he's actually a lyricist too, it's easy to miss it but I was fortunate enough to have a real hip hop head ass head show him to me, and he showed me some mixtape stuff where he was just spittin' and it sounded very different than the radio stuff.
-T
T.I. can be a straight lyricist if he wants to. His mixtape shit does show that. Also Tanj, I HIGHLY recommend you check out his "Trap Muzik" LP. A southern classic, and He spits HARD on the shit man.
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T.I. has had some good production on his singles (for the most part). Some of those beats are undeniable. So I give a lot of credit for that. And yeah, he's got a swag to him which is what most of yall look for in a rapper. I've never seen him as much more than that.
he's actually a lyricist too, it's easy to miss it but I was fortunate enough to have a real hip hop head ass head show him to me, and he showed me some mixtape stuff where he was just spittin' and it sounded very different than the radio stuff.
-T
T.I. can be a straight lyricist if he wants to. His mixtape shit does show that. Also Tanj, I HIGHLY recommend you check out his "Trap Muzik" LP. A southern classic, and He spits HARD on the shit man.
dope, thanks for the rec. +1
-T
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T.I. has had some good production on his singles (for the most part). Some of those beats are undeniable. So I give a lot of credit for that. And yeah, he's got a swag to him which is what most of yall look for in a rapper. I've never seen him as much more than that.
he's actually a lyricist too, it's easy to miss it but I was fortunate enough to have a real hip hop head ass head show him to me, and he showed me some mixtape stuff where he was just spittin' and it sounded very different than the radio stuff.
-T
T.I. can be a straight lyricist if he wants to. His mixtape shit does show that. Also Tanj, I HIGHLY recommend you check out his "Trap Muzik" LP. A southern classic, and He spits HARD on the shit man.
dope, thanks for the rec. +1
-T
np man. A very different artist on there. Right after this album is when he got a bit more commercial. The production on trap muzik is mostly slow & calm, very laid back. Also not alot of big names or producers. Vocal appearances only come from Macboney, Bun B, 8ball, MJG, & Jazze Pha. He's still got a few fast pace tracks on it for sure. But his lyrics are on another level on this record man.
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T.I. has had some good production on his singles (for the most part). Some of those beats are undeniable. So I give a lot of credit for that. And yeah, he's got a swag to him which is what most of yall look for in a rapper. I've never seen him as much more than that.
he's actually a lyricist too, it's easy to miss it but I was fortunate enough to have a real hip hop head ass head show him to me, and he showed me some mixtape stuff where he was just spittin' and it sounded very different than the radio stuff.
-T
T.I. can be a straight lyricist if he wants to. His mixtape shit does show that. Also Tanj, I HIGHLY recommend you check out his "Trap Muzik" LP. A southern classic, and He spits HARD on the shit man.
dope, thanks for the rec. +1
-T
if you check it out, let me know what you think man
+1
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
T.I. sold because hip-hop culture is now being dictated by a lot of ignorant women, because women are the only one's that actually go to the stores and buy cd's these days (the men download albums).
T.I. is wack, and respresents hip-hop's decline, or as some would say, hip-hop's death. He has no substance in his lyrics, his style is weak, he was a star in some gay-ass Lil Bow Wow movie or something so it got him alot of attention.
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
T.I. sold because hip-hop culture is now being dictated by a lot of ignorant women, because women are the only one's that actually go to the stores and buy cd's these days (the men download albums).
T.I. is wack, and respresents hip-hop's decline, or as some would say, hip-hop's death. He has no substance in his lyrics, his style is weak, he was a star in some gay-ass Lil Bow Wow movie or something so it got him alot of attention.
the men download albums. yea, you have the statistics on that one. please don't make assumptions. T.I. doesn't represent hip-hop's death. If anyone does, its Yung Joc, D4L, DFB, Jibbs etc. Some gay ass Lil' Bow Wow movie? Have you seen the film? its a great hood story. And if hip-hop is dead DON'T blame the artists, blame the people who are supporting the shit. This whole "hip-hop is dead" shit wasn't really crackin 2-3 yrs ago (before all the rappers i mentioned were around) and T.I. was STILL making platinum albums
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
T.I. sold because hip-hop culture is now being dictated by a lot of ignorant women, because women are the only one's that actually go to the stores and buy cd's these days (the men download albums).
T.I. is wack, and respresents hip-hop's decline, or as some would say, hip-hop's death. He has no substance in his lyrics, his style is weak, he was a star in some gay-ass Lil Bow Wow movie or something so it got him alot of attention.
Hmmm, typical Infinite bullshit. Once he thinks he's onto something (even if he's wrong), he repeats himself.
No, Bryan, YOU and all crackers like you fucked up hip-hop, not T.I. (who you obviously don't listen to). And that's why you're going to die a horrible, painful death when Allah tells me to bring on the Judgment Day.
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i aint the biggest t.i fan, i cannot trip, pass me some luda shit anyday befo the nigga, just my preferance
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first off, let me start off by saying that i am NOT a hater (T.I. is actually my fav. rapper). But i find his #s intresting (topped 06' for a rapper, and still has a 300,000 lead on jay-z).
Why did he sell? alot of theories can easily be wiped away. Some people think he is cheesy and would compare him 2 D4L, DFB, Yung Joc, Jibbs, Young Dro etc. (personally i wouldn't, he's much better then those mentioned). But if we can't agree on that explain this:
alot of that "snap" shit flopped. D4L flopped, Dro flopped, Jibbs flopped. Joc was only 1 who did decent #s (styll around 1 mill behind T.I.) and I *THINK* DFB JUST hit gold.
Why did T.I. sell so many records? what you know was big, but so was "shoulder lean", "laffy taffy", "chain hang low"
I've actually argued this with friends.
what are your thoughts?
T.I. sold because hip-hop culture is now being dictated by a lot of ignorant women, because women are the only one's that actually go to the stores and buy cd's these days (the men download albums).
T.I. is wack, and respresents hip-hop's decline, or as some would say, hip-hop's death. He has no substance in his lyrics, his style is weak, he was a star in some gay-ass Lil Bow Wow movie or something so it got him alot of attention.
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just for the record, D4L went gold and considering it cost a large pizza and a 2 liter bottle of diet pepsi to make tht album i wouldnt call that a flop
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i aint the biggest t.i fan, i cannot trip, pass me some luda shit anyday befo the nigga, just my preferance
the other day on I heard Ludacris rip the eyeballs out of a verse on the 2003 WBALLZ mixtape over the Game don't wait remix beat. and it was indeed, more impressive than any T.I. I've heard.
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i aint the biggest t.i fan, i cannot trip, pass me some luda shit anyday befo the nigga, just my preferance
the other day on I heard Ludacris rip the eyeballs out of a verse on the 2003 WBALLZ mixtape over the Game don't wait remix beat. and it was indeed, more impressive than any T.I. I've heard.
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check T.I. on "warrior theme" dissing Lil' Flip. shit is nuts
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
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T.I. is one of those MTV/favourite...niggas for the year.
But as Cube said 'they'll find a new nigga next year...'
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T.I. is one of those MTV/favourite...niggas for the year.
But as Cube said 'they'll find a new nigga next year...'
What? T.I. has been popular for years now. you're just ignorant.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
I mean recently, T.I.'s music has been more "dumbed down" and he hasn't showcased his lyrical talent. Only on a few songs on the king album, does T.I. really spit hard.
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my friend put all of TI's shit on random the other day while we smoked a blunt and what puts Luda over him to me, from the little I heard, is all the layering TI does on his voice. Luda, I've seen more succesful as a straightforward MC whereas even though I've heard a grip of T.I. songs, I don't know what his voice sounds like. Like that song where he's like "that attitude/is very/unncecessary dude..." and 'what you know about that' it's like a bunch of dudes yellin'/his voice is very layered so it takes away from it to me. alot of mac dre's stuff from between 98 and 2002 is done like that too and it bugs. makes it harder to understand the lyrics, which sucks cause mac dre and TI both are dope lyricists.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
I mean recently, T.I.'s music has been more "dumbed down" and he hasn't showcased his lyrical talent. Only on a few songs on the king album, does T.I. really spit hard.
Luda is a better lyricist, has a better flow, better catalog, higher sales, and makes better songs than T.I. I'll say it again - T.I. is def no Luda.
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Luda's on another level
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
I mean recently, T.I.'s music has been more "dumbed down" and he hasn't showcased his lyrical talent. Only on a few songs on the king album, does T.I. really spit hard.
Luda is a better lyricist, has a better flow, better catalog, higher sales, and makes better songs than T.I. I'll say it again - T.I. is def no Luda.
luda defanitely does not have a better flow then T.I. who has 1 of the best flows in the game period. I'm not gonna stand here and dis-agree with EVERYTHING you said, because then i will come off as a dick rider. I'll give you lyricist to luda. Higher sales is a no brainer, although King outsold Release Therapy, and I think luda is gonna have a tough time ever outselling T.I. agian. I also don't know about better catalog. Luda tends to KILL his guest appearances, and then have average albums. Trap Muzik is a southern classic by T.I., and King is getting MAD love as well.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
I mean recently, T.I.'s music has been more "dumbed down" and he hasn't showcased his lyrical talent. Only on a few songs on the king album, does T.I. really spit hard.
Luda is a better lyricist, has a better flow, better catalog, higher sales, and makes better songs than T.I. I'll say it again - T.I. is def no Luda.
luda defanitely does not have a better flow then T.I. who has 1 of the best flows in the game period. I'm not gonna stand here and dis-agree with EVERYTHING you said, because then i will come off as a dick rider. I'll give you lyricist to luda. Higher sales is a no brainer, although King outsold Release Therapy, and I think luda is gonna have a tough time ever outselling T.I. agian. I also don't know about better catalog. Luda tends to KILL his guest appearances, and then have average albums. Trap Muzik is a southern classic by T.I., and King is getting MAD love as well.
T.I. wishes he could flow this well:
http://www.youtube.com/v/3GwuCeThaRs
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
I mean recently, T.I.'s music has been more "dumbed down" and he hasn't showcased his lyrical talent. Only on a few songs on the king album, does T.I. really spit hard.
Luda is a better lyricist, has a better flow, better catalog, higher sales, and makes better songs than T.I. I'll say it again - T.I. is def no Luda.
luda defanitely does not have a better flow then T.I. who has 1 of the best flows in the game period. I'm not gonna stand here and dis-agree with EVERYTHING you said, because then i will come off as a dick rider. I'll give you lyricist to luda. Higher sales is a no brainer, although King outsold Release Therapy, and I think luda is gonna have a tough time ever outselling T.I. agian. I also don't know about better catalog. Luda tends to KILL his guest appearances, and then have average albums. Trap Muzik is a southern classic by T.I., and King is getting MAD love as well.
T.I. wishes he could flow this well:
http://www.youtube.com/v/3GwuCeThaRs
his flow on "what you know" is sick
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
chizzil my nigga!lol.....
he just giving his thoughts as a bigger T.I. fan.....me i agree with you on the whole luda>ti but give the cat some room,lol....you a crazy hiphop head mang, you like me, you get to heated on things.....buts it kool, lunatic just speaking some thoughts!
pz
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
I mean recently, T.I.'s music has been more "dumbed down" and he hasn't showcased his lyrical talent. Only on a few songs on the king album, does T.I. really spit hard.
Luda is a better lyricist, has a better flow, better catalog, higher sales, and makes better songs than T.I. I'll say it again - T.I. is def no Luda.
luda defanitely does not have a better flow then T.I. who has 1 of the best flows in the game period. I'm not gonna stand here and dis-agree with EVERYTHING you said, because then i will come off as a dick rider. I'll give you lyricist to luda. Higher sales is a no brainer, although King outsold Release Therapy, and I think luda is gonna have a tough time ever outselling T.I. agian. I also don't know about better catalog. Luda tends to KILL his guest appearances, and then have average albums. Trap Muzik is a southern classic by T.I., and King is getting MAD love as well.
T.I. wishes he could flow this well:
http://www.youtube.com/v/3GwuCeThaRs
That's my shit right there ;D
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
chizzil my nigga!lol.....
he just giving his thoughts as a bigger T.I. fan.....me i agree with you on the whole luda>ti but give the cat some room,lol....you a crazy hiphop head mang, you like me, you get to heated on things.....buts it kool, lunatic just speaking some thoughts!
pz
all 3 of us are just sharing our opinion on this. none of this is facts besides luda has sold more records OVER THE YEARS, but T.I. dominated this year, and i think will agian beat out luda in the sales department this year. i also get heated on things :D
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
chizzil my nigga!lol.....
he just giving his thoughts as a bigger T.I. fan.....me i agree with you on the whole luda>ti but give the cat some room,lol....you a crazy hiphop head mang, you like me, you get to heated on things.....buts it kool, lunatic just speaking some thoughts!
pz
yeah word, it's all opinions. I'm not tryin to come across sideways, that's just how I debate - i think i'm right, lol. Lunatic is making his points and backing them up so I just try to come back and argue. He's actually worth debating with. It's all good to me.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
chizzil my nigga!lol.....
he just giving his thoughts as a bigger T.I. fan.....me i agree with you on the whole luda>ti but give the cat some room,lol....you a crazy hiphop head mang, you like me, you get to heated on things.....buts it kool, lunatic just speaking some thoughts!
pz
all 3 of us are just sharing our opinion on this. none of this is facts besides luda has sold more records OVER THE YEARS, but T.I. dominated this year, and i think will agian beat out luda in the sales department this year. i also get heated on things :D
Word. It's a message board - its what we do! Peace.
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T.I. is nowhere near Luda. Luda can rap circles around him. Somebody should up that joint that he did with Cee Lo on Lo's 2nd solo. Shit was sick.
T.I. can be near luda, when he wants to. problem is too often, he's choosing the more mainstream route. King shits all over release therapy
More mainstream than Luda? Are you crazy? Luda's been one of THE biggest Hip Hop acts for the last 7 years. Check his album sales. He's been all over MTV / BET / Radio. So you're statement about T.I. choosing the more mainstream route is completely wrong. And I can't speak on King vs. Release Therapy because I don't own either.
Luda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. easily.
chizzil my nigga!lol.....
he just giving his thoughts as a bigger T.I. fan.....me i agree with you on the whole luda>ti but give the cat some room,lol....you a crazy hiphop head mang, you like me, you get to heated on things.....buts it kool, lunatic just speaking some thoughts!
pz
all 3 of us are just sharing our opinion on this. none of this is facts besides luda has sold more records OVER THE YEARS, but T.I. dominated this year, and i think will agian beat out luda in the sales department this year. i also get heated on things :D
Word. It's a message board - its what we do! Peace.
true that homie. +1
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haha, aight this shit is turnin gay....fuck all y'all
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haha, aight this shit is turnin gay....fuck all y'all
because we agree 2 disagree? :-\
lol
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^^^i was playin dawg,hahahaha a joke homie!.....i respect both y'all muthafuckers, it was just nice to see shit kool down for a minute so i thought i would drop some stupid shit....obviously my joke lacked skills!shiiiiiit.........
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^^^i was playin dawg,hahahaha a joke homie!
lol, it's all good :D
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theres some serious dick rididng going on in this thread...TI is seriously overrated, deal with it.
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T.I. is like a lyrically pumped up version from AnyNigga from the South...like, if you don't listen to what he's doing you won't realize that he's not young dro or whatever. whereas Ludacris has his own style completely.
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I like T.I. Not a fan, but I respect his shit even if it ain't doing much good for hip-hop. I do, however, agree with Jrome that Luda is better. T.I. has an intriguing flow and swagger, but Luda is inventive and witty like a Southern version of Redman...so I think he's better than T.I.
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why are we talking like there aint better artists in the south than TI and and luda?
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T.I. is like a lyrically pumped up version from AnyNigga from the South...like, if you don't listen to what he's doing you won't realize that he's not young dro or whatever. whereas Ludacris has his own style completely.
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exactly. people is prone to hate on any1 gettin there money. don't generalize the dude with a certain group without knowing what he's about. T.I. can lyrically kill you if he wants to, or at least put up a really good fight. +1 to you Tanj.
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T.I. is like a lyrically pumped up version from AnyNigga from the South...like, if you don't listen to what he's doing you won't realize that he's not young dro or whatever. whereas Ludacris has his own style completely.
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exactly. people is prone to hate on any1 gettin there money. don't generalize the dude with a certain group without knowing what he's about. T.I. can lyrically kill you if he wants to, or at least put up a really good fight. +1 to you Tanj.
fa sho man, +1. just sharing my thoughts.
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why are we talking like there aint better artists in the south than TI and and luda?
Cause they had a beef going. Damn
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that wasnt no beef....that was on some competitive shit.
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chicks love TI and they buy CD's which is another reason why he is selling
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that wasnt no beef....that was on some competitive shit.
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