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Title: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: realboss06 on March 26, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
i need a bunch of you to cosgin the following statement:

"chronic 2001 is a classic album"

my stupid and semi deaf friend steve thinks this album is NOT a classic and thinks jayz's albums are considered better classics...can you plz slap some sense in to him? thanks
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Post by: Juronimo on March 26, 2007, 09:24:49 PM
i need a bunch of you to cosgin the following statement:

"chronic 2001 is a classic album"

my stupid and semi deaf friend steve thinks this album is NOT a classic and thinks jayz's albums are considered better classics...can you plz slap some sense in to him? thanks

It's classic in a critical acclaim sense but I think it's overrated personally. It'd definitely better than anything Jay-Z has released though.
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Post by: Suga Foot on March 26, 2007, 09:25:57 PM
people are allowed to have their own opinions.  Who cares as long as you like it.
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Post by: d-nice on March 26, 2007, 09:30:14 PM
people are allowed to have their own opinions.  Who cares as long as you like it.
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Post by: West Coast Veteran on March 26, 2007, 09:31:59 PM
Fuck opinions! It's a CLASSIC!
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Post by: Bones01 on March 26, 2007, 09:43:41 PM
Fuck opinions! It's a CLASSIC!
thats wats up  8)
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Post by: M Dogg™ on March 26, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
classic in the sense it chanced production in hip-hop, and that it was the best album between Makaveli and Stillmatic. Classic, no question, anyone who dissagrees should listen to the album.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Active Ingredient on March 26, 2007, 10:20:29 PM
one of the most influential and important rap cds ever released

classic imo
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on March 26, 2007, 10:22:25 PM
i think we can call this a hiphop classic. I mean the sound of current hiphop is still being unfluenced from that record
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Post by: Wild_Elmo on March 26, 2007, 10:31:52 PM
Good album, OVERRATED AS HELL. I don't know about that Jay-Z comment though.
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Post by: Lord Funk on March 27, 2007, 01:14:45 AM
It's definitely overrated - that album has a LOT of filler on it, from the skits to bullshit tracks like 'Ackrite' and 'Murder Ink'.

Here's my take - Jay-Z has made albums with less filler, but he's never made an album where the best tracks were as great as the classic cuts on Dre's.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: UKnowWhatItIs: welcome to my traps....game over on March 27, 2007, 04:28:29 AM
For me it's a west coast classic.It's all opinions, don't get mad.
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Post by: ~Lucien~ on March 27, 2007, 04:32:57 AM
most overrated album ever...
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Post by: 3331 on March 27, 2007, 04:56:27 AM
Shit was such a let down. No way in hell I'd call it a classic.
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Post by: MIAMI4LIFE on March 27, 2007, 06:06:08 AM
I was personally let down by this album, I liked Streetz Iz A Mutha better which came out at the same time but Jayz also has alot of filler in his so called classic albums so I think it compares somewhat
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Post by: Westcoastfanatic on March 27, 2007, 06:15:20 AM
Only the first half is dope, so it's not a classic to me.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Hatesrats™ on March 27, 2007, 06:17:03 AM
I still blaze 2001.. 8)

I Gave it the Rank "Classic" After ripping open the package
And hearing Track #2 in 1999. (You had to be there in 99' bro, anticipation was ...)

I hit repeat like x8 before letting the rest play....True Shit'
"The Watcher" still bump's.

01' defo belong's in a Classic discussion IMO.

Smack ya boy 4 me to bro...lol
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Post by: MOB on March 27, 2007, 06:30:43 AM
Chronic 2000>Chronic 2001
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Post by: NotoriousA.O.D. on March 27, 2007, 06:34:29 AM
Yeah that album is FAR from classic. It has some good production. Weak lyrics throughout. And not to menchion the radio played it out so much I can't even listen to it anymore. I got tired of hearing it. . .
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Post by: Si-Chiggedy on March 27, 2007, 06:47:47 AM
i need a bunch of you to cosgin the following statement:

"chronic 2001 is a classic album"

my stupid and semi deaf friend steve thinks this album is NOT a classic and thinks jayz's albums are considered better classics...can you plz slap some sense in to him? thanks

fuck the opinions of others. if he don't think it's classic, let him have his opinion, you have yours, it's all about taste. I hate those threads...
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Lord Funk on March 27, 2007, 07:28:23 AM
I'm actually amazed to see so many people here agreeing that 2001 isn't a classic. That's what's great about this board - people know enough about their West Coast shit to stand by their opinions. A lot of people would just automatically say this album was a classic because they think it's the 'right' answer - whoch, of course, for some people it is.

Props all round to those who say what they mean and stand by it. What an awesome board we have here.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: --Vance-- on March 27, 2007, 07:49:15 AM
This is my favourite album of ALL TIME... god damn, this was my first cd I ever bought, and I still play that shit


CLASSIC
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: E. J. Rizo on March 27, 2007, 07:57:16 AM
man all you guys that dont consider this a classic what the heLL?

certified CLASSIC!!!

Changed the game til this day...
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Post by: Lord Funk on March 27, 2007, 08:02:00 AM
man all you guys that dont consider this a classic what the heLL?

certified CLASSIC!!!

Changed the game til this day...

I disagree. It has game-changing tracks on it (most of the first half is absolutely perfect). But taken as a whole product it is far from flawless. Most of the second half is average to me - if I play this album I'll probably skip most of the later tracks except Bitch Niggas and Bang Bang.
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Post by: Paul on March 27, 2007, 08:08:58 AM
i love this album, its not perfect although the production just about makes it.

only tracks i skip are, whats the difference and the message, and every skit
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Post by: Tha Crip on March 27, 2007, 08:12:29 AM
100 % classic...an overrated album to me is kurupts streets is a mutha...no idea how ppl can think thats such a hot album, is it the lyrics or something cuz the production on that album was garbage, for me space boogie blows streets way the hell outta the water  8)
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Post by: Lunatic on March 27, 2007, 08:12:51 AM
classic
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Post by: Paul on March 27, 2007, 08:37:32 AM
100 % classic...an overrated album to me is kurupts streets is a mutha...no idea how ppl can think thats such a hot album, is it the lyrics or something cuz the production on that album was garbage, for me space boogie blows streets way the hell outta the water  8)

HAHA, the production was garbage, kill yourself now
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Post by: i love men who take pictures with their booty's out on March 27, 2007, 08:55:23 AM


overrated if u ask me...

i mean dre albums never stood the test of time in my ears..especially this album..it has all kinds of dust on it.. got damn me .. digital underground's future rhythm gets way more play action than any of dre's album for some reason
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Post by: eazye on March 27, 2007, 09:22:44 AM
I fuckin' love every track on there, so it's at least a personal classick  8)
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Tha Crip on March 27, 2007, 09:24:56 AM
LOL for real tho...asside from the dre remix and dmx diss song i wasnt feeling any of the songs when i bought streets...keep in mind i had bought space boogie b4 streets and i guess i was jus expecting sum mind blowing fredwreck and quik beats again ....ill admit maybe the features werent that great but overall i enjoyed space boogie ALOT MORE...shit sounded like 2001 part 2 when i first heard it...each his own tho homie  8)
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Post by: $Eg2$ on March 27, 2007, 10:22:18 AM
^^^ Kill yourself LOL J/k
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Post by: _That_Cracka_J on March 27, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
Great album, just overrated.  The OG Chronic however is classic IMO.  2001, no classic.
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Post by: KURUPTION-81 on March 27, 2007, 10:25:05 AM
classic to me, production wise the album still sounds fresh in my ears.

and streetz iz a mutha >>>>>>>>>>>>>space boggie.
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Post by: smp4life on March 27, 2007, 10:59:53 AM
Not a classic.
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Post by: everlast1986 on March 27, 2007, 11:05:27 AM
how can you smack someone over the computer?
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Post by: Paul on March 27, 2007, 02:23:13 PM
LOL for real tho...asside from the dre remix and dmx diss song i wasnt feeling any of the songs when i bought streets...keep in mind i had bought space boogie b4 streets and i guess i was jus expecting sum mind blowing fredwreck and quik beats again ....ill admit maybe the features werent that great but overall i enjoyed space boogie ALOT MORE...shit sounded like 2001 part 2 when i first heard it...each his own tho homie  8)

lol, jus jokin, naw streetz is like prob my fav album along with dogg food, so anyone got a problem with streetz got a problem with me lol
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Post by: LyRiCaL_G on March 27, 2007, 02:34:51 PM
fuck an opinion, certified classic to me! haha.....but in truth, first half of the album was some of the most influentional shit ever and the second part like some others have said, was weaker, but the second half also had alot of shit from people who were suppposedly the future of the westcoast, and ironically the second half was weaker and a sign of things to come for the westcoast, cuz not many westcoast new cats have risen since then...but yeah, overall easily a classic....certified......but there has been  better albums top to bottom no doubt
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Post by: 3331 on March 27, 2007, 02:36:07 PM
streetz iz a mutha shits on and rapes 2001.
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Post by: greko on March 27, 2007, 03:21:16 PM
I think 2001 has some classic joints but as a hole album it's not as good as OG Chronic... Damn near a classic though and still better than any Jay-z album. Streetz iz a Mutha on the other hand is a personal classic for me...  8)
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Post by: 1980DRE on March 27, 2007, 03:37:20 PM
Fuck opinions! It's a CLASSIC!
THANK YOU!
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Post by: No Compute on March 27, 2007, 04:12:05 PM
Easily a classic, sure it's overated and isn't near as good as The Chronic but it's still a classic.
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Post by: thisoneguy360 on March 27, 2007, 05:30:20 PM
Classic  8)
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Post by: We Fly High on March 27, 2007, 06:05:02 PM
its aiite. i  remember buying it the day it came out. Like I was anticipating its release a month in advance, haha. it was pretty good, but not classic. theres too many fillers. the only song i still will bump will prob be still dre. i dont really listen to whats the difference, or forgot about dre, or anything else.
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Post by: Paul on March 27, 2007, 07:34:39 PM
whats the difference really annoyed me for some reason

housewife was my joint though
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Post by: MIAMI4LIFE on March 27, 2007, 08:28:04 PM
whats the difference really annoyed me for some reason

housewife was my joint though

the beat for What's The Difference was bangin but Em's voice on it was annoying, Xzibit ripped it tho
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Post by: NotoriousA.O.D. on March 27, 2007, 08:37:17 PM
I think some of ya'll need to define your definition of classic. To me an classic album is one you can play from start to beggining without skipping a trak. And one that you can play for days and not get tired of it. 2001 is far from that. . .
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Post by: MIAMI4LIFE on March 27, 2007, 08:48:45 PM
the first Chronic had Snoop, Kurupt, Rage, RBX all great MC's at the time and DOC doing alot of the writing so the lyrics were dope, 2001 suffered from poor lyrics even though it had great production some of the songs were filler material
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Post by: Chief on March 28, 2007, 03:59:54 AM
yeah you think it's a classic, he doesnt have to.
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Post by: Fatdodger on March 28, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
The shit is a classic period i mean thats westcoast music ten years after alot of shit and the shit banged alot people were blazing to the shit
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Post by: Tanjential on March 28, 2007, 03:22:47 PM
I think it's cool to say this album isn't classic cause it's so popular and fresh in public consciousness. In 15 years when detox has been out for 5 years, there'll be someone talkin'  "dude tell my homey detox is the shit" and we'll be like "2001> Detox" or some such shit.

forget the videos, forget the buzz, forget the controversy, forget dre as a person, forget that eminems white, forget whatever bullshit you have stigmatized with this record and listen to the album and seriously explain how this isn't classic.

ackrite-at times, dre's beats will be 'lacking' to focus on the MC. truly great producers know when to turn the music down so the MC is supported by the beat. hitt RIPs this shit and the guitar line on this is stellar.

murder ink-not some shit to chill and coast to like most good west coast music but the bass, drums and Hitt's verse DO the damn thing.

pause 4 porno, i could have done without. outside of that, this is a very subtle record but a nigh immaculate one. it's alot more low-key than the first chronic, not as flashy or in your face. alot of laid back intelligent grooves that don't emngage you immediately but that are certainly timeless( for example, when i was 12-13, 'light speed' used to be a skipper. not that I'm older, it's one of my favorites. you know an albums classic when it can grow with you and vice versa. here's 8 years later and i have a new favorite track like it came out a month ago.)

AND if you really wanna get qualitative, add up how many classic minutes the chronic is and how many classic minutes 2001 has, and even with your alleged 'filler', 2001 has as much classic material on it as the first chronic. it's a huger album.

the lyrics are amazing, it's the topics that are stagnant and even that is intentional.

NOT as good as the chronic, i agree. but classic? definitely. changed the game and pleased the west, who else can still do that?

I can't believe SIAM is being mentioned in this post. SIAM is a west coast classic, one of my favorites but to expect anyone east of arizona to even consider this as a near classic is laughable. dre used stagnant topics on purpose, whereas Kurupt doesn't know anything else.

-T

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Post by: DreTendo on March 28, 2007, 03:25:35 PM
Definently a classic, it's not perfect due to some filler on the second half of the cd, but as I play it at least once every few weeks it has to be classic.
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Post by: --Vance-- on March 28, 2007, 03:26:43 PM
I think it's cool to say this album isn't classic cause it's so popular and fresh in public consciousness. In 15 years when detox has been out for 5 years, there'll be someone talkin'  "dude tell my homey detox is the shit" and we'll be like "2001> Detox" or some such shit.

forget the videos, forget the buzz, forget the controversy, forget dre as a person, forget that eminems white, forget whatever bullshit you have stigmatized with this record and listen to the album and seriously explain how this isn't classic.

ackrite-at times, dre's beats will be 'lacking' to focus on the MC. truly great producers know when to turn the music down so the MC is supported by the beat. hitt RIPs this shit and the guitar line on this is stellar.

murder ink-not some shit to chill and coast to like most good west coast music but the bass, drums and Hitt's verse DO the damn thing.

pause 4 porno, i could have done without. outside of that, this is a very subtle record but a nigh immaculate one. it's alot more low-key than the first chronic, not as flashy or in your face. alot of laid back intelligent grooves that don't emngage you immediately but that are certainly timeless( for example, when i was 12-13, 'light speed' used to be a skipper. not that I'm older, it's one of my favorites. you know an albums classic when it can grow with you and vice versa. here's 8 years later and i have a new favorite track like it came out a month ago.)

AND if you really wanna get qualitative, add up how many classic minutes the chronic is and how many classic minutes 2001 has, and even with your alleged 'filler', 2001 has as much classic material on it as the first chronic. it's a huger album.

the lyrics are amazing, it's the topics that are stagnant and even that is intentional.

NOT as good as the chronic, i agree. but classic? definitely. changed the game and pleased the west, who else can still do that?

I can't believe SIAM is being mentioned in this post. SIAM is a west coast classic, one of my favorites but to expect anyone east of arizona to even consider this as a near classic is laughable. dre used stagnant topics on purpose, whereas Kurupt doesn't know anything else.

-T



+1
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Post by: J$crILLa on March 28, 2007, 03:32:07 PM
I think it's cool to say this album isn't classic cause it's so popular and fresh in public consciousness. In 15 years when detox has been out for 5 years, there'll be someone talkin'  "dude tell my homey detox is the shit" and we'll be like "2001> Detox" or some such shit.

forget the videos, forget the buzz, forget the controversy, forget dre as a person, forget that eminems white, forget whatever bullshit you have stigmatized with this record and listen to the album and seriously explain how this isn't classic.

ackrite-at times, dre's beats will be 'lacking' to focus on the MC. truly great producers know when to turn the music down so the MC is supported by the beat. hitt RIPs this shit and the guitar line on this is stellar.

murder ink-not some shit to chill and coast to like most good west coast music but the bass, drums and Hitt's verse DO the damn thing.

pause 4 porno, i could have done without. outside of that, this is a very subtle record but a nigh immaculate one. it's alot more low-key than the first chronic, not as flashy or in your face. alot of laid back intelligent grooves that don't emngage you immediately but that are certainly timeless( for example, when i was 12-13, 'light speed' used to be a skipper. not that I'm older, it's one of my favorites. you know an albums classic when it can grow with you and vice versa. here's 8 years later and i have a new favorite track like it came out a month ago.)

AND if you really wanna get qualitative, add up how many classic minutes the chronic is and how many classic minutes 2001 has, and even with your alleged 'filler', 2001 has as much classic material on it as the first chronic. it's a huger album.

the lyrics are amazing, it's the topics that are stagnant and even that is intentional.

NOT as good as the chronic, i agree. but classic? definitely. changed the game and pleased the west, who else can still do that?

I can't believe SIAM is being mentioned in this post. SIAM is a west coast classic, one of my favorites but to expect anyone east of arizona to even consider this as a near classic is laughable. dre used stagnant topics on purpose, whereas Kurupt doesn't know anything else.

-T



im in wisoconsin and to me SIAM is a classic also.... but i agree with what you sayin
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Post by: Tanjential on March 28, 2007, 03:46:18 PM
thanks vance.back at you.

 and miss nwa whoorider, if you didn't get the impression from my post. a classic is an album that has at leasta  few tracks that make you say 'damn this shit's bangin', is over-all a consistent cohesive piece(usually an album in which the whole is greater than the sum of its parts) is addictive AND has long term replay value.

-T
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Post by: Lunatic on March 28, 2007, 03:48:56 PM
thanks vance.back at you.

 and miss nwa whoorider, if you didn't get the impression from my post. a classic is an album that has at least a few tracks that make you say 'damn this shit's bangin', is over-all a consistent cohesive piece(usually an album in which the whole is greater than the sum of its parts) is addictive AND has long term replay value.

-T

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Post by: Paul on March 28, 2007, 04:13:13 PM
I think it's cool to say this album isn't classic cause it's so popular and fresh in public consciousness. In 15 years when detox has been out for 5 years, there'll be someone talkin'  "dude tell my homey detox is the shit" and we'll be like "2001> Detox" or some such shit.

forget the videos, forget the buzz, forget the controversy, forget dre as a person, forget that eminems white, forget whatever bullshit you have stigmatized with this record and listen to the album and seriously explain how this isn't classic.

ackrite-at times, dre's beats will be 'lacking' to focus on the MC. truly great producers know when to turn the music down so the MC is supported by the beat. hitt RIPs this shit and the guitar line on this is stellar.

murder ink-not some shit to chill and coast to like most good west coast music but the bass, drums and Hitt's verse DO the damn thing.

pause 4 porno, i could have done without. outside of that, this is a very subtle record but a nigh immaculate one. it's alot more low-key than the first chronic, not as flashy or in your face. alot of laid back intelligent grooves that don't emngage you immediately but that are certainly timeless( for example, when i was 12-13, 'light speed' used to be a skipper. not that I'm older, it's one of my favorites. you know an albums classic when it can grow with you and vice versa. here's 8 years later and i have a new favorite track like it came out a month ago.)

AND if you really wanna get qualitative, add up how many classic minutes the chronic is and how many classic minutes 2001 has, and even with your alleged 'filler', 2001 has as much classic material on it as the first chronic. it's a huger album.

the lyrics are amazing, it's the topics that are stagnant and even that is intentional.

NOT as good as the chronic, i agree. but classic? definitely. changed the game and pleased the west, who else can still do that?

I can't believe SIAM is being mentioned in this post. SIAM is a west coast classic, one of my favorites but to expect anyone east of arizona to even consider this as a near classic is laughable. dre used stagnant topics on purpose, whereas Kurupt doesn't know anything else.

-T



thats the shit, i not good at explainin things very well, thats my thoughts pretty much though

+1 for that
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Post by: Tanjential on March 28, 2007, 04:18:17 PM
jscrilla, paul, +1

-T
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Post by: Ozir on March 28, 2007, 06:31:29 PM
certified classic  8)
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Post by: Primo on March 28, 2007, 06:51:02 PM
to me it is a classic
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Post by: West Coast Veteran on March 28, 2007, 07:37:51 PM
I think it's cool to say this album isn't classic cause it's so popular and fresh in public consciousness. In 15 years when detox has been out for 5 years, there'll be someone talkin'  "dude tell my homey detox is the shit" and we'll be like "2001> Detox" or some such shit.

forget the videos, forget the buzz, forget the controversy, forget dre as a person, forget that eminems white, forget whatever bullshit you have stigmatized with this record and listen to the album and seriously explain how this isn't classic.

ackrite-at times, dre's beats will be 'lacking' to focus on the MC. truly great producers know when to turn the music down so the MC is supported by the beat. hitt RIPs this shit and the guitar line on this is stellar.

murder ink-not some shit to chill and coast to like most good west coast music but the bass, drums and Hitt's verse DO the damn thing.

pause 4 porno, i could have done without. outside of that, this is a very subtle record but a nigh immaculate one. it's alot more low-key than the first chronic, not as flashy or in your face. alot of laid back intelligent grooves that don't emngage you immediately but that are certainly timeless( for example, when i was 12-13, 'light speed' used to be a skipper. not that I'm older, it's one of my favorites. you know an albums classic when it can grow with you and vice versa. here's 8 years later and i have a new favorite track like it came out a month ago.)

AND if you really wanna get qualitative, add up how many classic minutes the chronic is and how many classic minutes 2001 has, and even with your alleged 'filler', 2001 has as much classic material on it as the first chronic. it's a huger album.

the lyrics are amazing, it's the topics that are stagnant and even that is intentional.

NOT as good as the chronic, i agree. but classic? definitely. changed the game and pleased the west, who else can still do that?

I can't believe SIAM is being mentioned in this post. SIAM is a west coast classic, one of my favorites but to expect anyone east of arizona to even consider this as a near classic is laughable. dre used stagnant topics on purpose, whereas Kurupt doesn't know anything else.

-T



Great post.

The songs usually mentioned as filler "Murder Ink" and "Ackrite" aren't even wack they just pale in comparison to the rest of the album cause the rest of the album is THAT GOOD and the skits serve their purpose, they aren't there to fill space but to sequence the album, they usually set up as an intro to the next song.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Tanjential on March 28, 2007, 07:45:24 PM
I think it's cool to say this album isn't classic cause it's so popular and fresh in public consciousness. In 15 years when detox has been out for 5 years, there'll be someone talkin'  "dude tell my homey detox is the shit" and we'll be like "2001> Detox" or some such shit.

forget the videos, forget the buzz, forget the controversy, forget dre as a person, forget that eminems white, forget whatever bullshit you have stigmatized with this record and listen to the album and seriously explain how this isn't classic.

ackrite-at times, dre's beats will be 'lacking' to focus on the MC. truly great producers know when to turn the music down so the MC is supported by the beat. hitt RIPs this shit and the guitar line on this is stellar.

murder ink-not some shit to chill and coast to like most good west coast music but the bass, drums and Hitt's verse DO the damn thing.

pause 4 porno, i could have done without. outside of that, this is a very subtle record but a nigh immaculate one. it's alot more low-key than the first chronic, not as flashy or in your face. alot of laid back intelligent grooves that don't emngage you immediately but that are certainly timeless( for example, when i was 12-13, 'light speed' used to be a skipper. not that I'm older, it's one of my favorites. you know an albums classic when it can grow with you and vice versa. here's 8 years later and i have a new favorite track like it came out a month ago.)

AND if you really wanna get qualitative, add up how many classic minutes the chronic is and how many classic minutes 2001 has, and even with your alleged 'filler', 2001 has as much classic material on it as the first chronic. it's a huger album.

the lyrics are amazing, it's the topics that are stagnant and even that is intentional.

NOT as good as the chronic, i agree. but classic? definitely. changed the game and pleased the west, who else can still do that?

I can't believe SIAM is being mentioned in this post. SIAM is a west coast classic, one of my favorites but to expect anyone east of arizona to even consider this as a near classic is laughable. dre used stagnant topics on purpose, whereas Kurupt doesn't know anything else.

-T



Great post.

The songs usually mentioned as filler "Murder Ink" and "Ackrite" aren't even wack they just pale in comparison to the rest of the album cause the rest of the album is THAT GOOD and the skits serve their purpose, they aren't there to fill space but to sequence the album, they usually set up as an intro to the next song.
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thanks man, i agree. +1

-T
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on March 28, 2007, 11:04:08 PM
Who gives a fuck what ure gay ass friend "swears"? This album was an ERA of hip hop just on its own.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: WILL-I-DIE on March 28, 2007, 11:08:47 PM
its a classic you heard
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Digital Pimpin' on March 29, 2007, 06:20:15 AM
Murder Ink was my least favourite on the album, but it's not a bad track.

Even Pause 4 Porno is dope; check out the 2001 instrumentals for proof.

Ackrite & Light Speed are both beats other rappers would kill for to put on their albums.

But hey, if your friend don't like it that's his problem.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: MR_JV on March 29, 2007, 06:22:52 AM
its a modern day classic man but nothing compares to chronic or doggystyle
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on March 29, 2007, 11:37:43 AM
It's definitely overrated - that album has a LOT of filler on it, from the skits to bullshit tracks like 'Ackrite' and 'Murder Ink'.

Here's my take - Jay-Z has made albums with less filler, but he's never made an album where the best tracks were as great as the classic cuts on Dre's.
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"Jay-Z has made albums with less filler" - Bullshit!!!!! Chronic 2001 is a classic!!! 2001 had a grip of tracks!! They may not all be classic songs but no fillers!!
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Klue on March 29, 2007, 12:04:35 PM
A classic is an album that you can listen with the same feelings 15 years after.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Twentytwofifty on March 29, 2007, 01:08:19 PM
It's close but not a classic hip-hop album.  People call so many albums classics the word loses its meaning.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on March 29, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
the IMPACT that an album has defines classic, not ure opinion. Chronic 2001 was an ERA on its own for hip hop I repeat, a definite classic.
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on March 29, 2007, 06:19:38 PM
word classics do not have to be perfect from top to bottom, they have to stand the test of time and the impact of an album also plays a huge factor
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Samoan Enforcer on March 29, 2007, 06:38:36 PM
Shit was such a let down. No way in hell I'd call it a classic.

i dont respect your opinion and if i were near you i would slap you with a glove
Title: Re: OMG! my friend SWEARS chronic 2001 is NOT a classic! plz help me smack him
Post by: Tanjential on March 30, 2007, 03:09:02 AM
It's close but not a classic hip-hop album.  People call so many albums classics the word loses its meaning.

that's true, but this album is not one of those mislabelings.

-T