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Title: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: piankeyfan on April 14, 2007, 04:39:41 PM
Cosby speaking at:
Save Our Children forum in the auditorium of Community College of Philadelphia.

Typical of Cosby's style of stinging and controversial commentary, he also faulted the love shown to the late rapper Tupac Shakur. He said it was crazy for Shakur, who was fatally shot in Las Vegas in 1996, and his mother to enjoy the proceeds from Shakur's drug sales.

"In the book, 'To Momma With Love,' or something like that, he is so happy that he's able to take money from selling cocaine and give the money to his mother," Cosby said.

"How wonderful. Isn't that wonderful. You've got to be kidding. How many lives have you ruined selling packets? How many mothers are not going to go to work because they want to snort? How many dead mothers because of crack, how many babies we got to make turn around because they are crack babies?"

Cosby said the house Shakur bought his mother should be adorned with the pictures of users who died due to drug use.

"Hang up the pictures of the people's lives you ruined," Cosby declared.



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Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: floatin_above_everything on April 14, 2007, 04:49:59 PM
It's not like coke dealers force people to buy ( well, usually lol ). He needs to worry about his own shit, how are you gonna blame the supplier. You think if there were nio dealers, the demand would die too. Fuck outta here Cosby.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: QuietTruth on April 14, 2007, 04:59:32 PM
He's only tryin' to make a point for the Black Community.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Samoan Enforcer on April 14, 2007, 05:28:46 PM
i never got why pac was viewed as such a hero
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: martmodem on April 14, 2007, 06:29:05 PM
Tupac is a hero because we (young black males) said so.  Cosby has plenty of skeletons in his closet for him to be coming at Pac's (RIP) legacy.  Tupac wasn't moving any serious weight.  He was from the gutter, his moms was on crack. 

He did what he had to do to survive.  He embodied every aspect of the young, black male.  Yes his music was the theme for many drug dealers but he never focused his music on drug sales.  Give me a song title or a line in which Pac makes a reference to moving major weight and I'll give you 10X that on how he sends a positive message. 

Pac was one of the good thugs, like Bone: "gotta make that money, moving them dummys rocks so a nigga don't go broke."  Somebody that you could actually see yourself talking to.  A hustler with a heart.  I met him once (1993) and he was real cool.

In closing Pac educated a lot of us where our fathers didn't.  His focus was on believe in God, avoid suckas, knock bitches, respect black WOMEN, get money and fuck the cops.  Come on man.  You can't relate (other nationalities) because you couldn't FEEL Pac in your soul and in your life.  I swear whites are the biggest Pac critics.  All you know is "How Do U" and "California Love."  And Cosby is the white voice in the black community right now.  Remember how many lives he touched and how he gave us a little self esteam while he was here.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: martmodem on April 14, 2007, 06:33:45 PM
i never got why pac was viewed as such a hero

And you're a 5 Star General on a West Coast forum?  No beef intended but man are you trying to stir up something with that statement?  Pac is to us YBM like . . . everything.  No homo.  Over 25 know what it is.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: floatin_above_everything on April 14, 2007, 06:44:25 PM
i never got why pac was viewed as such a hero

And you're a 5 Star General on a West Coast forum?  No beef intended but man are you trying to stir up something with that statement?  Pac is to us YBM like . . . everything.  No homo.  Over 25 know what it is.

ROFL!



Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on April 14, 2007, 06:56:29 PM
2pac is legend, nuff said
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on April 14, 2007, 07:50:55 PM
You can't relate (other nationalities) because you couldn't FEEL Pac in your soul and in your life.  I swear whites are the biggest Pac critics.  All you know is "How Do U" and "California Love."  And Cosby is the white voice in the black community right now.  Remember how many lives he touched and how he gave us a little self esteam while he was here.

This is full of racist bullshit. So because we're not the same skin color of you then we automatically can't "feel" his music and that since we're not black, we only know two songs of 2pac. Get off your high chair you shit tick.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: martmodem on April 14, 2007, 08:12:28 PM
You can't relate (other nationalities) because you couldn't FEEL Pac in your soul and in your life.  I swear whites are the biggest Pac critics.  All you know is "How Do U" and "California Love."  And Cosby is the white voice in the black community right now.  Remember how many lives he touched and how he gave us a little self esteam while he was here.

This is full of racist bullshit. So because we're not the same skin color of you then we automatically can't "feel" his music and that since we're not black, we only know two songs of 2pac. Get off your high chair you shit tick.

No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people.  Not be on some "some of my best friends" bullshit but my white homey listened to Pac at a point in time more than me.  He loved that dude to death.  That's what made him so great is that everybody SHOULD've felt his music.  But white white people are quick to try and neutralize his legacy on some artistry bullshit.  Trying to critique his flows or style of music.  Or his life choices.  I'm here to protect it.

The only time you hear black people talk shit about Pac is when they say "he's a hypocrite or he fell off when . . ."  But no one will ever call him fake because he was the REALIST rap artist ever, period.  Pac was your cousin or brother or uncle.  He could've sold us out be he never did.  And like in the movie Gladiator says, "and they will love him for it." 1.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: BigG on April 14, 2007, 08:27:44 PM
to this day i havent heard anybody make songs as deep as tupac.

Tupac has the widest range of fans.

U can be the hardest gangbanger listening to tupac wit songs like Hail mary and hit em up

U can also be the most nicest guy in the world listening to tupac wit songs like Keep ya head up and dear mama.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Digital Pimpin' on April 15, 2007, 12:44:32 AM
this is bullshit. Pac said "even though i sell rocks, it feels good putting money in your mailbox", which suggests he knew it was wrong.
 But rap lyrics are only ever taken at face value by the critics which results in the whole "rap is evil" bollocks in the media.

Pac was telling a story, not advocating a way of life.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Turf Hitta on April 16, 2007, 08:32:14 AM
i never got why pac was viewed as such a hero

Because he's dead.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: akcranker - The Dangerous Crew Movement on April 16, 2007, 08:48:57 AM
You can't relate (other nationalities) because you couldn't FEEL Pac in your soul and in your life.  I swear whites are the biggest Pac critics.  All you know is "How Do U" and "California Love."  And Cosby is the white voice in the black community right now.  Remember how many lives he touched and how he gave us a little self esteam while he was here.

This is full of racist bullshit. So because we're not the same skin color of you then we automatically can't "feel" his music and that since we're not black, we only know two songs of 2pac. Get off your high chair you shit tick.

I agree.. martmodem get out of here with this racist shit.. just because I'm white I can't "fee" pac's music.. fuck that.. Pac is just about the ONLY artist I felt when listening to his music.. dude has so much emotion in his lyrics.. you could feel it from his voice, his energy.. everything.

And in your response to Al Bundy you change your tone and instead of just "white" people not being able to "feel" Pac you change it to "white white" people... what the fuck is that.. who are "white white" people?  Why not just say people who are not fans of rap music and who don't understand the culture are the one's that are being critiques and can't "feel" Pac's music.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Tanjential on April 16, 2007, 08:55:09 AM
mart: Cosby disses 2pac and white whites are the problem? Fuck outta here.

-T
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: REGIME MOB 510 on April 16, 2007, 10:12:24 AM
mart: Cosby disses 2pac and white whites are the problem? Fuck outta here.

-T
cosby is the problem for blaming 2pac, how can you blame someone who's trying to give young black males a positive message.  cosby is an uncle tom, he should stop talking shit, and start taking action in helping his race.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: QuietTruth on April 16, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
mart: Cosby disses 2pac and white whites are the problem? Fuck outta here.

-T
cosby is the problem for blaming 2pac, how can you blame someone who's trying to give young black males a positive message.  cosby is an uncle tom, he should stop talking shit, and start taking action in helping his race.
LOL, who will listen to him though?

If he wants to help his community he should be taking aims at people who are influencing the kids NOW. Pac deserves his praise for what he had deep inside him and what he was promoting so the stab at Pac was a lil unnecessary but he's a hero to many in the Hip Hop World and I think that's why he did it.

But there's many more to recognize for the ignorance that kids be following now at days. Shit's crazy.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Kaligula on April 16, 2007, 10:47:57 AM
mart: Cosby disses 2pac and white whites are the problem? Fuck outta here.

-T
cosby is the problem for blaming 2pac, how can you blame someone who's trying to give young black males a positive message.  cosby is an uncle tom, he should stop talking shit, and start taking action in helping his race.
LOL, who will listen to him though?

If he wants to help his community he should be taking aims at people who are influencing the kids NOW. Pac deserves his praise for what he had deep inside him and what he was promoting so the stab at Pac was a lil unnecessary but he's a hero to many in the Hip Hop World and I think that's why he did it.

But there's many more to recognize for the ignorance that kids be following now at days. Shit's crazy.

Well said. I dont think Cosby is 100% wrong but why single out Pac? There are soooo many worse offenders of what Bill is talking about in hip-hop. Even if he did glorify certain things at least Pac did balance it out by have many songs with equally good messages. Whereas there are other rappers that are influencing the youth NOW who's whole CAREERS have been based around selling cocaine, disrespecting women, etc. Go after those guys. Leave the dead alone.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: dredayeverydayy on April 16, 2007, 10:57:18 AM
RIP pac
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: LiLDuVall tHe CaLi-Vanian on April 16, 2007, 03:27:28 PM
how about blaming drug dealers fo the drug plague...i respect bill cosby but u can't blame pac for somethin that was here before he was here and still is now that he is gone
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Allpaul on April 16, 2007, 04:26:02 PM
No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people. 

Hey, just wondering where you came across a fact like this. Did someone take a poll?
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Tanjential on April 16, 2007, 04:27:10 PM
No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people. 

Hey, just wondering where you came across a fact like this. Did someone take a poll?

really? that's why c.delores tucker is white right?

-T
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Blu Lacez on April 16, 2007, 04:45:16 PM
No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people. 

Hey, just wondering where you came across a fact like this. Did someone take a poll?

really? that's why C.Delores tucker is white right?

-T

^
  Delores Tucker is black??..Or are you being sarcastic??

(http://www.nndb.com/people/313/000104998/cdtucker02.jpg)

Blu
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: martmodem on April 16, 2007, 08:52:02 PM
No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people. 

Hey, just wondering where you came across a fact like this. Did someone take a poll?

I ain't biting my tongue man.  This whole turn of focus (Cosby dissing) comes from Al Bundy saying some dumb shit like "I never understood how he was such a hero."  That's when it turned to race.  Man, you can speak on Pac's music all you want but don't try and devalue his legacy if you aren't black.  I hear little slick shit all the time from non black people about Pac this and that.  You can't really understand his importance if you ain't been through the struggle man.  This man was our voice to the world.  He was huge and he stayed loving his people.  Now look at hiphop.  And Bob Dole is white. 
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Wicked977 on April 16, 2007, 09:12:44 PM
What a lame ass Foo
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on April 16, 2007, 09:17:05 PM
No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people. 

Hey, just wondering where you came across a fact like this. Did someone take a poll?

really? that's why C.Delores tucker is white right?

-T

^
  Delores Tucker is black??..Or are you being sarcastic??

(http://www.nndb.com/people/313/000104998/cdtucker02.jpg)

Blu
He was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on April 16, 2007, 09:22:02 PM
how about blaming drug dealers fo the drug plague...i respect bill cosby but u can't blame pac for somethin that was here before he was here and still is now that he is gone

I dont think Cosby is 100% wrong but why single out Pac? There are soooo many worse offenders of what Bill is talking about in hip-hop. Even if he did glorify certain things at least Pac did balance it out by have many songs with equally good messages. Whereas there are other rappers that are influencing the youth NOW who's whole CAREERS have been based around selling cocaine, disrespecting women, etc. Go after those guys. Leave the dead alone.

Both posts are on point.

Why not go after someone like 50 Cent or Young Jeezy we are curently rapping about drugs, then someone who is dead? At least 2Pac put positive lyrics in his music. Cats like 50 or Jeezy havent even tried. Or better yet why not blame the actuall drug dealers and law enforcement?
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: jeromechickenbone on April 16, 2007, 09:40:26 PM
People that didn't bump Pac while he was alive will never have any clue about how incredible he was.  Pac was so versatile - I always said that there's a Pac song for whatever you're going through.  That was what made him incredible - you could relate to him regardless of how old you were, where you were from, or what color you were.  I remember my Pops givin me shit for listening to Pac when I was a youngin.  And I played him Dear Mama and he couldn't believe how powerful that song was.  Pac was far from perfect but he new that and he admitted it and talked about it. 

I got drunk as fuck on saturday night and on my way back to my house I bumped disc 2 from AEOM.  Played it straight through and still know damn near every verse line for line.  That shit still blows me away even today. 

It's a tragedy how much his legacy has been completely raped and pillaged since he died.  Changing his music like they have done is like pissing on his grave in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Furor Teutonicus on April 17, 2007, 06:51:14 AM
^^^^
yeah man they're rapin' his work...
Pac is better then everyone else because of his variety...now people act like he did just California Love and How Do You Want It...and now put them on songs with
50 etc...
I can't understand why that Crosby guy blames Pac... i mean there are enough rappers that glorify drug dealin' (we all know Pac didn't just glorify it) who are alive and can defend... that's not fair,
 
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on April 17, 2007, 09:48:25 AM
Tupac is a hero because we (young black males) said so.  Cosby has plenty of skeletons in his closet for him to be coming at Pac's (RIP) legacy.  Tupac wasn't moving any serious weight.  He was from the gutter, his moms was on crack. 

He did what he had to do to survive.  He embodied every aspect of the young, black male.  Yes his music was the theme for many drug dealers but he never focused his music on drug sales.  Give me a song title or a line in which Pac makes a reference to moving major weight and I'll give you 10X that on how he sends a positive message. 

Pac was one of the good thugs, like Bone: "gotta make that money, moving them dummys rocks so a nigga don't go broke."  Somebody that you could actually see yourself talking to.  A hustler with a heart.  I met him once (1993) and he was real cool.

In closing Pac educated a lot of us where our fathers didn't.  His focus was on believe in God, avoid suckas, knock bitches, respect black WOMEN, get money and fuck the cops.  Come on man.  You can't relate (other nationalities) because you couldn't FEEL Pac in your soul and in your life.  I swear whites are the biggest Pac critics.  All you know is "How Do U" and "California Love."  And Cosby is the white voice in the black community right now.  Remember how many lives he touched and how he gave us a little self esteam while he was here.

nice post...

What really made 2pac great was the whole Black Jesus (theme) that was explored on the Outlaws "Still I Rise" album.  Where they talked about a Black Jesus that "smoked like they smoked", etc.   The idea is that 2pac was a representative of the disenfranchised and the dredges of society.  He was raised in poverty, his mother was in jail when she was pregnant with him, his father was never around, his mother was on crack... and yet, 2pac could make music, poetry and conversation that could make you laugh, make you cry... like he says about his poem, "The Rose that Grew From The Cracks Of Concrete", that people only wanted to complain because some of his pedals were messed up rather than marvel at the fact that a rose had grown from the cracks of concrete.  So he had been to prison, falsely accused, shot 5 times, and so on.. but he still overcame and even his death is shrouded in mystery.  So so many people feel like they can relate to him and are inspired by him.

He advocated in his music, "The elevation of today's generation if I can make them listen."  He was about the upliftment of his generation and people, he once said that if he hadn't of made it as a rapper he was about to join the New Black Panther Party and work for social advancement through that organization.  His music was art, and it was about overcoming the odds, he expressed love in his music more than any other rapper, and he kept it way real.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Blu Lacez on April 17, 2007, 10:24:46 AM
Tupac is a hero because we (young black males) said so.  Cosby has plenty of skeletons in his closet for him to be coming at Pac's (RIP) legacy.  Tupac wasn't moving any serious weight.  He was from the gutter, his moms was on crack. 

He did what he had to do to survive.  He embodied every aspect of the young, black male.  Yes his music was the theme for many drug dealers but he never focused his music on drug sales.  Give me a song title or a line in which Pac makes a reference to moving major weight and I'll give you 10X that on how he sends a positive message. 

Pac was one of the good thugs, like Bone: "gotta make that money, moving them dummys rocks so a nigga don't go broke."  Somebody that you could actually see yourself talking to.  A hustler with a heart.  I met him once (1993) and he was real cool.

In closing Pac educated a lot of us where our fathers didn't.  His focus was on believe in God, avoid suckas, knock bitches, respect black WOMEN, get money and fuck the cops.  Come on man.  You can't relate (other nationalities) because you couldn't FEEL Pac in your soul and in your life.  I swear whites are the biggest Pac critics.  All you know is "How Do U" and "California Love."  And Cosby is the white voice in the black community right now.  Remember how many lives he touched and how he gave us a little self esteam while he was here.

nice post...

What really made 2pac great was the whole Black Jesus (theme) that was explored on the Outlaws "Still I Rise" album.  Where they talked about a Black Jesus that "smoked like they smoked", etc.   The idea is that 2pac was a representative of the disenfranchised and the dredges of society.  He was raised in poverty, his mother was in jail when she was pregnant with him, his father was never around, his mother was on crack... and yet, 2pac could make music, poetry and conversation that could make you laugh, make you cry... like he says about his poem, "The Rose that Grew From The Cracks Of Concrete", that people only wanted to complain because some of his pedals were messed up rather than marvel at the fact that a rose had grown from the cracks of concrete.  So he had been to prison, falsely accused, shot 5 times, and so on.. but he still overcame and even his death is shrouded in mystery.  So so many people feel like they can relate to him and are inspired by him.

He advocated in his music, "The elevation of today's generation if I can make them listen."  He was about the upliftment of his generation and people, he once said that if he hadn't of made it as a rapper he was about to join the New Black Panther Party and work for social advancement through that organization.  His music was art, and it was about overcoming the odds, he expressed love in his music more than any other rapper, and he kept it way real.

**thats sum in-depth info right there!!

much Props for that!!

Blu
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: kevlar on April 17, 2007, 11:58:26 AM
It's not like coke dealers force people to buy ( well, usually lol ). He needs to worry about his own shit, how are you gonna blame the supplier. You think if there were nio dealers, the demand would die too. Fuck outta here Cosby.

i think his arguement is that drug dealers may not be forcing people to do these drugs, but that they're not helping the struggle.  adding fuel to the fire (not my opinion)
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: BiG*WiCkEd on April 17, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
Haha...this thread is a joke.

Pac can be a symbol/voice for the struggling, lower class generation of America and be called a coward, a bitch of a man for addressing the problems he saw folks go through on a day to day basis.

But Eminem can run his mouth about popping pills, glorifly the deterioration of the human mind, straight downtalk and disrespect one's mother...in front of MILLIONS of people from different generations through BET MTV and all the radio statiosn, yet Cosby seems to not bring that up.

All these Top ten MTV video artists can talk about straight up BULLSHIT, yet they don't address THAT problem.

Some of you are just...ridiculous.

Fuckin ridiculous.

W
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Turf Hitta on April 17, 2007, 03:24:03 PM
Am I the only one who didn't see where Cosby blamed Pac for the "drug plague?" All I saw was an opinion that many BLACK PEOPLE would also agree with.
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: 40 Cal on April 17, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
Cosby Dat B**** tryin to target a legend
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: The King Of L.A on April 17, 2007, 04:16:28 PM
that old fart should shut the fuck up..............The cosby show got me into crac,k it was that wack...
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: Tanjential on April 17, 2007, 04:28:45 PM
that old fart should shut the fuck up..............The cosby show got me into crac,k it was that wack...

props. preach

-T
Title: Re: Cosby blames Tupac for drug plague
Post by: dexter on April 18, 2007, 06:50:17 AM
No racist here dog.  I'm just stating the facts.  Tupac's biggest critcs are white people. 

Hey, just wondering where you came across a fact like this. Did someone take a poll?

really? that's why C.Delores tucker is white right?
Oh Boy

-T

^
  Delores Tucker is black??..Or are you being sarcastic??

(http://www.nndb.com/people/313/000104998/cdtucker02.jpg)

Blu
He was being sarcastic.