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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lunatic on May 19, 2007, 11:34:15 AM
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God damn, I'm listening to this album right now, and wow he came TIGHT on this. This album is a HIP-HOP classic, fuck a southern classic. He came so real and tight on so many tracks man. It's got something for everybody.
Most hip-hop fans don't mind a few commercial songs, and you got lets get away, 24s, rubber band man, and look what i got.
Then I don't even know what to call these tracks, so we gon call them "Real Shit" and that's No More Talk, I Can't Quit, Be Easy, Doin My Job.
For all the haters talking about his new album T.I. vs. T.I.P. bein somethin thats been done before, with cassidy, tyrese and so on, know that T.I. been on that alter ego shit since before them. Listen to the track on here T.I. vs. T.I.P., I think it's the greatest alter ego/concept rap of all time, no chorus at all, just straight spittin the whole track, with him goin back and forth with his alter ego, with him switchin up the ego every other line (you could tell, as he uses different voices).
Bezzle sees him hook up with legends Bun B, 8Ball, MJG, and the song is as good as the lineup looks. Pure southern classic, a real good track.
then he's got some real personal meaningful songs in Be Better Than Me & I Still Luv You, both showcase some real talent.
Another amazing track (with no chorus, just him straight rapping through the whole song, 1 big verse) is Long Live Da Game.
For everybody who reads this thread and is gonna say "this that dude with that what you know track, homie please" GIVE THIS ALBUM A LISTEN BEFORE CRITICISING ME OR IT. And if you did give it a listen, and didn't like it, I HIGHLY suggest you listen to it agian, and really really pay attention to the lyrics in songs like be easy, no more talk, doin my job, i can't quit, t.i. vs. t.i.p. and so on. Relate to tracks like i still luv you, if you from the hood, you can probably relate to a song like doin my job. Even if after that you still ain't seeing it like I do, then i shall respect your opinion ;)
For the critics who say this album shows that T.I. could make a classic album, ya wrong, THIS IS a classic album.
Leave ya thoughts ;)
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Favorite joint "I Still Love You", nothing really stand out except for the singles, but another one of those albums you can bump front to back.
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I can respect your opinion, but I gave reasons to why I feel like it's a classic, whats your reasons for thinkin otherwise?
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Favorite joint "I Still Love You", nothing really stand out except for the singles, but another one of those albums you can bump front to back.
I agree not a whole lot of stand out material, but that ain't somethin bad, all that means is when you pop in the album, instead of jumping to track 6, then to 12, then 3, you just play it begininng to end 8)
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
Damn, 4 P$C albums? I only heard 25 2 Life and I didn't like but 3-4 songs.
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
Damn, 4 P$C albums? I only heard 25 2 Life and I didn't like but 3-4 songs.
25 to life is the more recent one. I really enjoyed it man. T.I. was KILLIN the tracks he was on, I think since the impression was suppose to be left on the rest of the crew, and let them shine people didn't realise that, but T.I. murdered the tracks he was on. Must of been in a zone during them recording sessions.
After T.I. dropped his debut album "i'm serious" on arista records, we all know it flopped, and him & L.A. Reid decided it'd be best if they went seperate ways. T.I. and Jason Geter then formed the Grand Hustle label, and T.I. & The P$C did 3 street albums entitled "In Da Streets Vol.1, 2 & 3 (you probably recognize the name cause Top Back Remix was the lead single of In Da Streets Vol. 4, which is much different then the 1st 3). These street albums where what landed T.I. his deal over at atlantic. There held in a very high regard in Atlanta, being seen as local classics. I think after vol. 2 T.I. signed to atlantic, but they still dropped vol.3. They got some classic tracks like 404, Da P$C, Like Dis Here, Fuck Yo Back, I'm So High, Jackin For Beats 2K1 and so on. T.I. was really spitting on these as well.
If you'd like I can hook you up ;)
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
Damn, 4 P$C albums? I only heard 25 2 Life and I didn't like but 3-4 songs.
25 to life is the more recent one. I really enjoyed it man. T.I. was KILLIN the tracks he was on, I think since the impression was suppose to be left on the rest of the crew, and let them shine people didn't realise that, but T.I. murdered the tracks he was on. Must of been in a zone during them recording sessions.
After T.I. dropped his debut album "i'm serious" on arista records, we all know it flopped, and him & L.A. Reid decided it'd be best if they went seperate ways. T.I. and Jason Geter then formed the Grand Hustle label, and T.I. & The P$C did 3 street albums entitled "In Da Streets Vol.1, 2 & 3 (you probably recognize the name cause Top Back Remix was the lead single of In Da Streets Vol. 4, which is much different then the 1st 3). These street albums where what landed T.I. his deal over at atlantic. There held in a very high regard in Atlanta. I think after vol. 2 T.I. signed to atlantic, but they still dropped vol.3. They got some classic tracks like 404, Da P$C, Like Dis Here, Fuck Yo Back, I'm So High. Jackin For Beats 2K1 and so on.
If you'd like I can hook you up ;)
That'd be dope I'll check em out. Fitting I just made my best of T.I. cd's yesterday thinkin I had all his albums. I always though the IDS series were just mixtapes, and I'm not a big mixtape listener so I'll give it a listen. 8)
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great album ..bumped the shit outta bezzle this week
24's, no more talk, rubberband man, doin my job some of my favorite tracks on the album 8)
classic album indeed.
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
Damn, 4 P$C albums? I only heard 25 2 Life and I didn't like but 3-4 songs.
25 to life is the more recent one. I really enjoyed it man. T.I. was KILLIN the tracks he was on, I think since the impression was suppose to be left on the rest of the crew, and let them shine people didn't realise that, but T.I. murdered the tracks he was on. Must of been in a zone during them recording sessions.
After T.I. dropped his debut album "i'm serious" on arista records, we all know it flopped, and him & L.A. Reid decided it'd be best if they went seperate ways. T.I. and Jason Geter then formed the Grand Hustle label, and T.I. & The P$C did 3 street albums entitled "In Da Streets Vol.1, 2 & 3 (you probably recognize the name cause Top Back Remix was the lead single of In Da Streets Vol. 4, which is much different then the 1st 3). These street albums where what landed T.I. his deal over at atlantic. There held in a very high regard in Atlanta. I think after vol. 2 T.I. signed to atlantic, but they still dropped vol.3. They got some classic tracks like 404, Da P$C, Like Dis Here, Fuck Yo Back, I'm So High. Jackin For Beats 2K1 and so on.
If you'd like I can hook you up ;)
That'd be dope I'll check em out. Fitting I just made my best of T.I. cd's yesterday thinkin I had all his albums. I always though the IDS series were just mixtapes, and I'm not a big mixtape listener so I'll give it a listen. 8)
there more like street albums.
Vol. 1 has 13 tracks, with 3 of them being T.I. solos that appear on the i'm serious album, 2 freestyle's, and 8 original songs (1 song by the group xtaci from grand hustle)
Vol. 2 has 20 tracks, (intro & outro included and 2 skits) and is more of an album then anything. Only thing that's not exactly original is it includes a remix to "dope boys" (which the normal version was the 2nd single off i'm serious) with foxy brown, and it has the bonecrusher song "never scared". No freestyles, the rest is original material
Vol. 3 feels more like a mixtape, because it includes some doubles from vol. 1 & 2, with some other songs appearing on other projects. It's still got a decent amount of original material.
I'll send you the links to your pm in a minute ;)
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great album ..bumped the shit outta bezzle this week
24's, no more talk, rubberband man, doin my job some of my favorite tracks on the album 8)
classic album indeed.
finally someone who agrees with me 8)
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I can respect your opinion, but I gave reasons to why I feel like it's a classic, whats your reasons for thinkin otherwise?
There are very good songs on it and some just cool songs who aren't mind blowing.. that's why it's not a classic in my book... There are around 25 classic albums in my book in hip hop history.. this work is threw away way too often
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I can respect your opinion, but I gave reasons to why I feel like it's a classic, whats your reasons for thinkin otherwise?
There are very good songs on it and some just cool songs who aren't mind blowing.. that's why it's not a classic in my book... There are around 25 classic albums in my book in hip hop history.. this work is threw away way too often
I completely agree that the word classic is thrown around to often now in days. I made it clear though in my O.G. post though why I feel it's a classic. Agree 2 disagree homeboy 8)
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I dont care if the word classic is thrown around too much, anything I can bump front to back is a classic to me. 8)
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
word,its rare as hell especially nowadays to say something like that...until proven otherwise Tip runs this rap shit
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
word,its rare as hell especially nowadays to say something like that...until proven otherwise Tip runs this rap shit
I love it because I called the shit 2 my homies back in like mid 03. Soon as I heard his apperance on "Never Scared" (i was to young to have heard him on i'm serious) i told my homies he was gonna run rap one day. My friends would laugh at me and shit, but I'm the one laughing now ;D
I instantly went to order I'm Serious & shortly after never scared dropped, 24s dropped, and the rest is history ;D
:) ;) ;D 8)
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I like T.I., but I can't listen to him for 60 minutes straight.
Pretty much the same, actually I think T.I. is the shit, he always kills guest apperances, has 3/4 of great songs on the cds always, still when it comes to his albums, theyre well crafted, never weak but I can listen to the full album from T.I., once maybe, twice and then stop for like 2 months.
Its all about the taste tough, definetly looking forward to T.I. vs T.I.P,a ltough it looks like its gonna have way too many guests.
Oh and a classic ? Hell no. Your personal classic ? Yes.
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I like T.I., but I can't listen to him for 60 minutes straight.
Pretty much the same, actually I think T.I. is the shit, he always kills guest apperances, has 3/4 of great songs on the cds always, still when it comes to his albums, theyre well crafted, never weak but I can listen to the full album from T.I., once maybe, twice and then stop for like 2 months.
Its all about the taste tough, definetly looking forward to T.I. vs T.I.P,a ltough it looks like its gonna have way too many guests.
Oh and a classic ? Hell no. Your personal classic ? Yes.
yea I think T.I. vs. T.I.P. is shaping up to have to many guests, and not enough work with the usual suspects.
I explained why I think it's a classic, your turn to why it's not
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he sounds too much like Scooby Doo for me to really listen to him.
he is good, i just dont like him...if that makes any sense. :P
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he sounds too much like Scooby Doo for me to really listen to him.
he is good, i just dont like him...if that makes any sense. :P
it's cool, that happens with alot of artists
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
Damn, 4 P$C albums? I only heard 25 2 Life and I didn't like but 3-4 songs.
25 to life is the more recent one. I really enjoyed it man. T.I. was KILLIN the tracks he was on, I think since the impression was suppose to be left on the rest of the crew, and let them shine people didn't realise that, but T.I. murdered the tracks he was on. Must of been in a zone during them recording sessions.
After T.I. dropped his debut album "i'm serious" on arista records, we all know it flopped, and him & L.A. Reid decided it'd be best if they went seperate ways. T.I. and Jason Geter then formed the Grand Hustle label, and T.I. & The P$C did 3 street albums entitled "In Da Streets Vol.1, 2 & 3 (you probably recognize the name cause Top Back Remix was the lead single of In Da Streets Vol. 4, which is much different then the 1st 3). These street albums where what landed T.I. his deal over at atlantic. There held in a very high regard in Atlanta, being seen as local classics. I think after vol. 2 T.I. signed to atlantic, but they still dropped vol.3. They got some classic tracks like 404, Da P$C, Like Dis Here, Fuck Yo Back, I'm So High, Jackin For Beats 2K1 and so on. T.I. was really spitting on these as well.
If you'd like I can hook you up ;)
Hook me up playa
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Favorite joint "I Still Love You", nothing really stand out except for the singles, but another one of those albums you can bump front to back.
I agree not a whole lot of stand out material, but that ain't somethin bad, all that means is when you pop in the album, instead of jumping to track 6, then to 12, then 3, you just play it begininng to end 8)
That's what a whole lot of albums lack nowadays, they have one or 2 dope songs, the rest is commercial singles or trash, so i appreciate the Trap Muzik's, the Illmatic's and the Dogg Food's, not the poppy albums coming out nowadays. You have some real talk in this topic man, +1.
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heeeeeeeeey lets get awaaaaaaaay
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Favorite joint "I Still Love You", nothing really stand out except for the singles, but another one of those albums you can bump front to back.
I agree not a whole lot of stand out material, but that ain't somethin bad, all that means is when you pop in the album, instead of jumping to track 6, then to 12, then 3, you just play it begininng to end 8)
That's what a whole lot of albums lack nowadays, they have one or 2 dope songs, the rest is commercial singles or trash, so i appreciate the Trap Muzik's, the Illmatic's and the Dogg Food's, not the poppy albums coming out nowadays. You have some real talk in this topic man, +1.
let the record show that xander said Trap Muzik, Illmatic, and Dogg Food ;)
lol. just messin around. Thanks alot dog, props right back at ya
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Trap Muzik is his best album when it comes to consistency... I wasn't feelin his last two as a whole.. a hip hop classic ? Naw, a very good album yep
I think T.I. is very underatted as an emcee due to his commercial success. Thing is, he's one of the only rappers who makes GOOD commercial tracks and bangers on his albums. Trap Muzik, Urban Legend and King are all albums I can listen to front to back. Gotta give Tip his props.
yea he's DEF under-rated as an emcee because of all the success. Totally agreed on the GOOD commercial tracks side as well. I'm Serious is a great album as well, and his 4 albums with the P$C are good 2.
Damn, 4 P$C albums? I only heard 25 2 Life and I didn't like but 3-4 songs.
25 to life is the more recent one. I really enjoyed it man. T.I. was KILLIN the tracks he was on, I think since the impression was suppose to be left on the rest of the crew, and let them shine people didn't realise that, but T.I. murdered the tracks he was on. Must of been in a zone during them recording sessions.
After T.I. dropped his debut album "i'm serious" on arista records, we all know it flopped, and him & L.A. Reid decided it'd be best if they went seperate ways. T.I. and Jason Geter then formed the Grand Hustle label, and T.I. & The P$C did 3 street albums entitled "In Da Streets Vol.1, 2 & 3 (you probably recognize the name cause Top Back Remix was the lead single of In Da Streets Vol. 4, which is much different then the 1st 3). These street albums where what landed T.I. his deal over at atlantic. There held in a very high regard in Atlanta, being seen as local classics. I think after vol. 2 T.I. signed to atlantic, but they still dropped vol.3. They got some classic tracks like 404, Da P$C, Like Dis Here, Fuck Yo Back, I'm So High, Jackin For Beats 2K1 and so on. T.I. was really spitting on these as well.
If you'd like I can hook you up ;)
Hook me up playa
bout to hook you up with vol. 1-3
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Favorite joint "I Still Love You", nothing really stand out except for the singles, but another one of those albums you can bump front to back.
I agree not a whole lot of stand out material, but that ain't somethin bad, all that means is when you pop in the album, instead of jumping to track 6, then to 12, then 3, you just play it begininng to end 8)
That's what a whole lot of albums lack nowadays, they have one or 2 dope songs, the rest is commercial singles or trash, so i appreciate the Trap Muzik's, the Illmatic's and the Dogg Food's, not the poppy albums coming out nowadays. You have some real talk in this topic man, +1.
let the record show that xander said Trap Muzik, Illmatic, and Dogg Food ;)
lol. just messin around. Thanks alot dog, props right back at ya
What do you mean? I don;t understand it. ???
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Favorite joint "I Still Love You", nothing really stand out except for the singles, but another one of those albums you can bump front to back.
I agree not a whole lot of stand out material, but that ain't somethin bad, all that means is when you pop in the album, instead of jumping to track 6, then to 12, then 3, you just play it begininng to end 8)
That's what a whole lot of albums lack nowadays, they have one or 2 dope songs, the rest is commercial singles or trash, so i appreciate the Trap Muzik's, the Illmatic's and the Dogg Food's, not the poppy albums coming out nowadays. You have some real talk in this topic man, +1.
let the record show that xander said Trap Muzik, Illmatic, and Dogg Food ;)
lol. just messin around. Thanks alot dog, props right back at ya
What do you mean? I don;t understand it. ???
for the people arguing that it ain't a classic album, you put it in the same category with illmatic & dogg food which are obvious classics
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I never said it was a classic like the other's, dont make up stories bitchass. I compared them to eachother cause all these albums TO ME are consistant and i can listen to them from track 1 to the end. So yeah, i could have put other albyums there, but those were just the ones coming to mind, don't twist my words though, faggot, cause next i know i got all these dickriders on my nuts again starting fueds and beefs. It's ok people are dissing me, it shows i upset people and that's only funny to me, but i have no time for other stuff. Thanks. :)
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
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Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Stop defending yourself, you are right, he's not. He just gotta live with it, let the doggie be mad. Maybe Jome could go to DipCC, i bet he would feel much more comfortable over there. Lol.
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Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
yea I ain't hating, but I think people like that do pass up on the classics often. TM is 1 dog. Amerikkka's Most Wanted is great, but I'll take Death Certificate over it anyday.
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Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
yea I ain't hating, but I think people like that do pass up on the classics often. TM is 1 dog. Amerikkka's Most Wanted is great, but I'll take Death Certificate over it anyday.
death certificate all day
i dont think iv heard the whole trap muzik album, iv got it so ill give it another listen and post my thoughts on it
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Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
yea I ain't hating, but I think people like that do pass up on the classics often. TM is 1 dog. Amerikkka's Most Wanted is great, but I'll take Death Certificate over it anyday.
death certificate all day
i dont think iv heard the whole trap muzik album, iv got it so ill give it another listen and post my thoughts on it
yea man DC shits on all of cube albums, although all of them are great 8)
Trap Muzik ain't really an album you gon take in your car, bump it, and enjoy it. You will a few songs (the quicker paced 1s) but I suggest that you just chill out in the pad, put and put it on man. Gotta pay attention to it dog. Read my original post before listening 2 it ;)
lookin forward to your thoughts
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Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
yea I ain't hating, but I think people like that do pass up on the classics often. TM is 1 dog. Amerikkka's Most Wanted is great, but I'll take Death Certificate over it anyday.
death certificate all day
i dont think iv heard the whole trap muzik album, iv got it so ill give it another listen and post my thoughts on it
yea man DC shits on all of cube albums, although all of them are great 8)
Trap Muzik ain't really an album you gon take in your car, bump it, and enjoy it. You will a few songs (the quicker paced 1s) but I suggest that you just chill out in the pad, put and put it on man. Gotta pay attention to it dog. Read my original post before listening 2 it ;)
lookin forward to your thoughts
24's sounds great in a system. I actually bump this on the regular in the ride. Well for me at least his whole catalogue I can play in the ride. I still play I'm Serious alot.
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Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
yea I ain't hating, but I think people like that do pass up on the classics often. TM is 1 dog. Amerikkka's Most Wanted is great, but I'll take Death Certificate over it anyday.
death certificate all day
i dont think iv heard the whole trap muzik album, iv got it so ill give it another listen and post my thoughts on it
yea man DC shits on all of cube albums, although all of them are great 8)
Trap Muzik ain't really an album you gon take in your car, bump it, and enjoy it. You will a few songs (the quicker paced 1s) but I suggest that you just chill out in the pad, put and put it on man. Gotta pay attention to it dog. Read my original post before listening 2 it ;)
lookin forward to your thoughts
24's sounds great in a system. I actually bump this on the regular in the ride. Well for me at least his whole catalogue I can play in the ride. I still play I'm Serious alot.
oo yea for sure there's some nice cuts for the ride. 24s, Look What I Got and so on. But the real tracks are real hard to appreciate in the ride. I'm Serious (track) BUMPS BIG TIME in da car 8)
All of his albums are great in there own way. Trap Muzik & Urban Legend being his most lyrical ones. King had some dope production, and he came tight on some tracks (Ride With Me reminded me of the trap muzik days). I'm Serious was more of a combo of decent lyrics and production. That song with Too $hort is fire 8)
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I never said it was a classic like the other's, dont make up stories bitchass. I compared them to eachother cause all these albums TO ME are consistant and i can listen to them from track 1 to the end. So yeah, i could have put other albyums there, but those were just the ones coming to mind, don't twist my words though, faggot, cause next i know i got all these dickriders on my nuts again starting fueds and beefs. It's ok people are dissing me, it shows i upset people and that's only funny to me, but i have no time for other stuff. Thanks. :)
LOL, don't you know the rules of debate? When you relegate yourself to personal insults you've already lost. No need to be defensive. Now take a deep breath and re-read my post. I said I can understand ANY ALBUM being a personal classic to someone. I've got loads of them. But that doesn't mean that I'd make brash statements and define them as a Hip Hop classic because they are not.
Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
Damn homie, I really shook you with my statement huh? Your taste is your taste, but your statements are showing a lack of maturity when it comes to Hip Hop. And that's not a diss. If you're a real Hip Hop fan lets have this convo in another 10 years. If you're constantly digging and searching for Hip Hop with an insatiable appetite, you'll eventually understand the absolute brilliance of albums like 36 Chambers and Paid In Full. I promise.
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I don't know though if T.I. has a real classic in his catalogue. You have to remember there are ALOT of classics just in the South alone. Scarface, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Geto Boys, and a few others and for me at least I don't know if I would add TM to that list, but it is dope nonetheless.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
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Stop defending yourself, you are right, he's not. He just gotta live with it, let the doggie be mad. Maybe Jome could go to DipCC, i bet he would feel much more comfortable over there. Lol.
LOL, step up your comprehension game brah. It's Jrome, not Jome. And why hate on DipCC? They good peoples. Quit trying to stir up net beef, that shit is gay holmes.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
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I don't know though if T.I. has a real classic in his catalogue. You have to remember there are ALOT of classics just in the South alone. Scarface, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Geto Boys, and a few others and for me at least I don't know if I would add TM to that list, but it is dope nonetheless.
I respect your opinion. I can't wait to do Face, Kast, GB catalogue. I've heard alot of Kast (there my bros fav. group) but not all of it. Like I said in my o.g. post, I have my own reasons to why I believe it's a classic.
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I don't know though if T.I. has a real classic in his catalogue. You have to remember there are ALOT of classics just in the South alone. Scarface, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Geto Boys, and a few others and for me at least I don't know if I would add TM to that list, but it is dope nonetheless.
I respect your opinion. I can't wait to do Face, Kast, GB catalogue. I've heard alot of Kast (there my bros fav. group) but not all of it. Like I said in my o.g. post, I have my own reasons to why I believe it's a classic.
Yeah I would have to listen to that album again. I think T.I. did so much bragging and boasting about being the King Of The South that it made me expect some out of this world music to make a statement like that and I never got that from him. But no one called his hand on it so I guess he is the King of the South. ;D But I am a fan of his music and he does have some dope albums.
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Fuck it, I am going to do the whole discography right now. Bumping I'm Serious to start.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
I'll def give you the influence of the word "Trap". As far as I know, nobody was saying that in the mainstream prior to him.
However, I'd argue that cats like Jeezy & Rick Ross are a product of their label jumping on whatever trend was hot at the time moreso than invigorating a whole generation of up-and-coming rappers. It's not like those guys were bubblin like a motherfucker and labels couldn't ignore them, rather they fit the same mold as T.I. so they were signed.
So yeah, T.I. made room in the mainstream for guys like that. But is that a good thing? Guys with no discernable skills or distinctive talent? Just because they talk about selling crack they are automatically put on?
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I don't know though if T.I. has a real classic in his catalogue. You have to remember there are ALOT of classics just in the South alone. Scarface, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Geto Boys, and a few others and for me at least I don't know if I would add TM to that list, but it is dope nonetheless.
I respect your opinion. I can't wait to do Face, Kast, GB catalogue. I've heard alot of Kast (there my bros fav. group) but not all of it. Like I said in my o.g. post, I have my own reasons to why I believe it's a classic.
Yeah I would have to listen to that album again. I think T.I. did so much bragging and boasting about being the King Of The South that it made me expect some out of this world music to make a statement like that and I never got that from him. But no one called his hand on it so I guess he is the King of the South. ;D But I am a fan of his music and he does have some dope albums.
Yea nobody called him on it, and honestly now I don't even think it's an argument
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Fuck it, I am going to do the whole discography right now. Bumping I'm Serious to start.
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nice man, that album has some gems on it. You can also see the growth he went through as an artist from I'm serious to his next albums.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
I'll def give you the influence of the word "Trap". As far as I know, nobody was saying that in the mainstream prior to him.
However, I'd argue that cats like Jeezy & Rick Ross are a product of their label jumping on whatever trend was hot at the time moreso than invigorating a whole generation of up-and-coming rappers. It's not like those guys were bubblin like a motherfucker and labels couldn't ignore them, rather they fit the same mold as T.I. so they were signed.
So yeah, T.I. made room in the mainstream for guys like that. But is that a good thing? Guys with no discernable skills or distinctive talent? Just because they talk about selling crack they are automatically put on?
Thank you for the influence on the word trap ;)
If there label did jump on whatever trend was hot, it was because T.I. made it hot.
It's not T.I.'s fault that those dudes aren't very good. T.I. is lightyears ahead of them (ray cash is dope like i said)
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I never said it was a classic like the other's, dont make up stories bitchass. I compared them to eachother cause all these albums TO ME are consistant and i can listen to them from track 1 to the end. So yeah, i could have put other albyums there, but those were just the ones coming to mind, don't twist my words though, faggot, cause next i know i got all these dickriders on my nuts again starting fueds and beefs. It's ok people are dissing me, it shows i upset people and that's only funny to me, but i have no time for other stuff. Thanks. :)
LOL, don't you know the rules of debate? When you relegate yourself to personal insults you've already lost. No need to be defensive. Now take a deep breath and re-read my post. I said I can understand ANY ALBUM being a personal classic to someone. I've got loads of them. But that doesn't mean that I'd make brash statements and define them as a Hip Hop classic because they are not.
Oh one more thing, stop acting like it's impossible that another "Chronic" is coming out, you are waiting til another "gem" drops, just as bad as some fucking christians waiting for CHrist to return, don't believe the bullshit, start thinking for yourself. You are so focused on these "classics" that you fail to check the real classics coming out. A classic to you doesn't have to be the same for me you know, respect that and don't act like your opinion is the only truth.
Amerikkka's Most Wanted is aight but Lethal Injection was way better, and much more "classic" then the one you name. 36 Chambers, horrible sound, sound like this was thrown together in 1 day with a cassette recorder or something, The W or Iron Flag is a much better album.
Hell, Paid In Full, i never liked that album, i rather bump Trap Muzik, so now i am "fake" just cause my taste is different? Lol, you are definately crazy, i won;t waste time on people like you anymore, think what you want, but let others do the same. Thanks. :)
Damn homie, I really shook you with my statement huh? Your taste is your taste, but your statements are showing a lack of maturity when it comes to Hip Hop. And that's not a diss. If you're a real Hip Hop fan lets have this convo in another 10 years. If you're constantly digging and searching for Hip Hop with an insatiable appetite, you'll eventually understand the absolute brilliance of albums like 36 Chambers and Paid In Full. I promise.
1. I listen to hiphop now for years, and i have heard many good albums, and many many more wack albums. But i'm not the type of person to bash others opinion just cause they say an album is a classic. Like Lunatic said Trap Muzik inspired many southern rappers and music, so it just shows how much you know. Don't need any more word on this i think, lol.
2. Second, i am not personally "defensive" i just stand up for everybody that thinks an album is a classic which is not considered classic by the masses. You think the Chronic is classic cause everybody says it is, well let me tell you the truth, i love the album and i can see how it influenced other producers/rappers/music but imo Doggystyle is a way better Snoop/Dre/Death Row album. For me THAT is a classic too, since it is about much more then just influence. I consider Trap Muzik definately classic, i love the album, nice lyrics, nice beats, consistent PLUS it influenced other. It takes much more then just "influence" in order to be a classic. So you say that E-40's My Ghetto Report Card is classic cause he influenced the Hyphy-movement?
3. I listened to 36 Chambers enough, more then 10 tiumes, trying to get into it, cause everybody saying how good it is, fuck it, i don't dig the album at all, and i don't see how this album is "better" then let's say Only Build 4 Cuban Linx or Tical... :-\
Stop defending yourself, you are right, he's not. He just gotta live with it, let the doggie be mad. Maybe Jome could go to DipCC, i bet he would feel much more comfortable over there. Lol.
LOL, step up your comprehension game brah. It's Jrome, not Jome. And why hate on DipCC? They good peoples. Quit trying to stir up net beef, that shit is gay holmes.
My bad dude, shouda put the r in it, cause Jome's actually a cool dude, you're not though. And i don't hate on DipCC, it's a fact they are a bunch of dickriders who left this board cause they didn't follow the rules and got butthurt because of that. And if you wanna defend threads where someone, on purpose, asks if someone means Cam'ron with "Kam" then you are hopeless, since it is a WESTCOAST forum. Let these purple clothe wearers go somewhere else, i'm happy they're gone actually, and i don't think you'd misfit there either.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
I'll def give you the influence of the word "Trap". As far as I know, nobody was saying that in the mainstream prior to him.
However, I'd argue that cats like Jeezy & Rick Ross are a product of their label jumping on whatever trend was hot at the time moreso than invigorating a whole generation of up-and-coming rappers. It's not like those guys were bubblin like a motherfucker and labels couldn't ignore them, rather they fit the same mold as T.I. so they were signed.
So yeah, T.I. made room in the mainstream for guys like that. But is that a good thing? Guys with no discernable skills or distinctive talent? Just because they talk about selling crack they are automatically put on?
Actaully, Outkast mentioned the trap on some of there earlier albums I believe. As far as what you said about Jeezy and Ross, both of them were bubbling like CRAZY before they got signed. Jeezy pushed 300K units of a release that most of yall STILL don't know about. Ross never sold alot of records, but he was making MAJOR noise as well. Then, TI is partly a star because of his personality, which is more important in rap now that it was, say 8-10 years ago. These dudes have a personality ( or gimmick if u will ) that sets them apart from the pack. You should know better than anyone that it's not about lyrics anymore.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
I'll def give you the influence of the word "Trap". As far as I know, nobody was saying that in the mainstream prior to him.
However, I'd argue that cats like Jeezy & Rick Ross are a product of their label jumping on whatever trend was hot at the time moreso than invigorating a whole generation of up-and-coming rappers. It's not like those guys were bubblin like a motherfucker and labels couldn't ignore them, rather they fit the same mold as T.I. so they were signed.
So yeah, T.I. made room in the mainstream for guys like that. But is that a good thing? Guys with no discernable skills or distinctive talent? Just because they talk about selling crack they are automatically put on?
Actaully, Outkast mentioned the trap on some of there earlier albums I believe. As far as what you said about Jeezy and Ross, both of them were bubbling like CRAZY before they got signed. Jeezy pushed 300K units of a release that most of yall STILL don't know about. Ross never sold alot of records, but he was making MAJOR noise as well. Then, TI is partly a star because of his personality, which is more important in rap now that it was, say 8-10 years ago. These dudes have a personality ( or gimmick if u will ) that sets them apart from the pack. You should know better than anyone that it's not about lyrics anymore.
I did say that I doubt T.I. was the first to say it. Outkast earlier albums weren't huge successes. I'm sorry but I think it's clear to alot of people that T.I. was here before Jeezy, and can be compared to T.I. hands down. I should know better then anyone that it's not about lyrics? but this thread is to promote a heavy lyrical album in trap muzik. And since Trap Muzik, raps about the trap have been much more frequent then rap pre-trap muzik.
Dude, is one of us high because I coulda sworn I quoted Jrome, not you. When I said "you should know more than anyone about lyrics", I was talking to Jrome cuz he listens to BCC and whatnot. Just to clarify, Outakst's 1st 2 albums were HUGE success. Southernplaya.... was top 3 R & B albums and ATLiens was number 1.
lmao my bad, post deleted ;)
but like i said trap has become more frequent since T.I. started using it. I know you were talking to jrome bout that as well, but i wanna make that clear
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
I'll def give you the influence of the word "Trap". As far as I know, nobody was saying that in the mainstream prior to him.
However, I'd argue that cats like Jeezy & Rick Ross are a product of their label jumping on whatever trend was hot at the time moreso than invigorating a whole generation of up-and-coming rappers. It's not like those guys were bubblin like a motherfucker and labels couldn't ignore them, rather they fit the same mold as T.I. so they were signed.
So yeah, T.I. made room in the mainstream for guys like that. But is that a good thing? Guys with no discernable skills or distinctive talent? Just because they talk about selling crack they are automatically put on?
Actaully, Outkast mentioned the trap on some of there earlier albums I believe. As far as what you said about Jeezy and Ross, both of them were bubbling like CRAZY before they got signed. Jeezy pushed 300K units of a release that most of yall STILL don't know about. Ross never sold alot of records, but he was making MAJOR noise as well. Then, TI is partly a star because of his personality, which is more important in rap now that it was, say 8-10 years ago. These dudes have a personality ( or gimmick if u will ) that sets them apart from the pack. You should know better than anyone that it's not about lyrics anymore.
I did say that I doubt T.I. was the first to say it. Outkast earlier albums weren't huge successes. I'm sorry but I think it's clear to alot of people that T.I. was here before Jeezy, and can be compared to T.I. hands down. I should know better then anyone that it's not about lyrics? but this thread is to promote a heavy lyrical album in trap muzik. And since Trap Muzik, raps about the trap have been much more frequent then rap pre-trap muzik.
Dude, is one of us high because I coulda sworn I quoted Jrome, not you. When I said "you should know more than anyone about lyrics", I was talking to Jrome cuz he listens to BCC and whatnot. Just to clarify, Outakst's 1st 2 albums were HUGE success. Southernplaya.... was top 3 R & B albums and ATLiens was number 1.
lmao my bad, post deleted ;)
but like i said trap has become more frequent since T.I. started using it
It's all good fool ;D and yeah, TI was the one who brought the word "trap" to the mainstream.
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Wow, people comparing Trap Muzik to ILLMATIC :o I've officially seen it all at the Dub.
I can understand any album being a personal classic to someone, but no way is this album on the level of The Chronic, Illmatic, It Takes A Nation of Millions, Midnight Marauders, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, 36 Chambers, Paid In Full, Criminal Minded, etc. This album didn't revolutionize anything, it didn't change the way people view Hip Hop, it didn't explore unchartered territory.
It's a decent mainstream album in an age of horrible over-commercialized crap.
I don't think xander was comparing TM to illmatic. He was saying it is 1 of those albums that you can bump front to back LIKE illmatic and so on. My original thread shows why i think its a classic.
To say it didn't inflence nobody is actually a lie, because many rappers have since tried 2 copy T.I.'s style, but nobody has done it as good or had as much success as the King 8)
Who has copied his style, and why did they fail? Do you mean they didn't go platinum? Or his style is so complex that it can't be duplicated?
not that they failed, but they haven't been as succesful. I would say Jeezy is nearly a carbon copy of T.I., and Rick Ross is extremely similar as well. Ray Cash is another. But none of them have had the success that T.I. has had. Never as good as the original ;)
Ray Cash is dope, i'll give him that, he's the closest to T.I. in terms of skill level
Also, I doubt T.I. was the first 1, but I honestly had not heard of "the trap" before T.I. began rapping about it. Now you can hear "trap" in just about every song that comes outta atlanta. Agian, I'm NOT saying T.I. was the first to rap about the trap (I don't know if any1 before him has, but i'd be suprised if nobody had) but NO DOUBT, since T.I. dropped Trap Muzik, you've heard raps about the trap WAY more often
I'll def give you the influence of the word "Trap". As far as I know, nobody was saying that in the mainstream prior to him.
However, I'd argue that cats like Jeezy & Rick Ross are a product of their label jumping on whatever trend was hot at the time moreso than invigorating a whole generation of up-and-coming rappers. It's not like those guys were bubblin like a motherfucker and labels couldn't ignore them, rather they fit the same mold as T.I. so they were signed.
So yeah, T.I. made room in the mainstream for guys like that. But is that a good thing? Guys with no discernable skills or distinctive talent? Just because they talk about selling crack they are automatically put on?
Actaully, Outkast mentioned the trap on some of there earlier albums I believe. As far as what you said about Jeezy and Ross, both of them were bubbling like CRAZY before they got signed. Jeezy pushed 300K units of a release that most of yall STILL don't know about. Ross never sold alot of records, but he was making MAJOR noise as well. Then, TI is partly a star because of his personality, which is more important in rap now that it was, say 8-10 years ago. These dudes have a personality ( or gimmick if u will ) that sets them apart from the pack. You should know better than anyone that it's not about lyrics anymore.
I did say that I doubt T.I. was the first to say it. Outkast earlier albums weren't huge successes. I'm sorry but I think it's clear to alot of people that T.I. was here before Jeezy, and can be compared to T.I. hands down. I should know better then anyone that it's not about lyrics? but this thread is to promote a heavy lyrical album in trap muzik. And since Trap Muzik, raps about the trap have been much more frequent then rap pre-trap muzik.
Dude, is one of us high because I coulda sworn I quoted Jrome, not you. When I said "you should know more than anyone about lyrics", I was talking to Jrome cuz he listens to BCC and whatnot. Just to clarify, Outakst's 1st 2 albums were HUGE success. Southernplaya.... was top 3 R & B albums and ATLiens was number 1.
lmao my bad, post deleted ;)
but like i said trap has become more frequent since T.I. started using it
It's all good fool ;D and yeah, TI was the one who brought the word "trap" to the mainstream.
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Lol, stop quoting everybody.
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I listened to it and it's meh. I don't think it's classic but an alright album with no very weak or very great joints.
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That's what it is, it is consistent, every track of the same level, but fag is twisting my words. :)