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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: BCG1 on June 04, 2007, 01:13:51 PM
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I thought this would be an interesting debate considering that both these groups were pretty deep outlawz having 7 or 8 members and wu tang rollin 9 deep and both groups having a great start off album.
so which album do you prefer?
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It's a really no contest for me, 36 Chambers.
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you must be the only one on earth to prefer the still i rise album to ask a stupid question like this, the outlawz were super wack man, i watched the 2pac show the other day with snoop on dvd and god damn these dudes were awfull. When they do the hail mary song and they start signing da la la la la laaaa i asked myself why pac needed those boys, thug life was a better crew imo. 36 chamber definied the 90's eastcoast rap
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^^Damn I didn't know most people thought tha lawz were that bad, even thought lyrically i know wu tang is better, but still i rise is still a great album with deep tracks plus fatal, kadafi, napoleon & noble aren't that bad lyrically.
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Not even a contest, 36 Chambers without a doubt.
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It's a little like asking "Who's better the Beatles or B2K?"
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Outlawz are dope, but Still I Rise does not compare to 36 Chambers. 2pac still carried that group, Wu-Tang has 9 capable mc's that can wreck shop on they own and make a cohesive group at the same time.
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Still I Rise really isn't a bad album but to compare it to 36 Chambers, to me thats outrageous
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Not even a contest, 36 Chambers without a doubt.
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Still I Rise really isn't a bad album but to compare it to 36 Chambers, to me thats outrageous
Yeah the album is dope, but not in the same league as 36 Chambers
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This has gotta be some sick joke. ???
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I don't think the Outlawz were/are that bad but it took me sometime to figure out which voice belonged to which rapper. But yeah comparing Still I Rise and 36 Chambers is a definite no-no, not the least because Still I Rise does not feature original beats and it's not even really an album IMO just a compilation of reworked tracks.
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...and this is why people hate 2pac fans.
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Are you kidding me, 36 Chambers is one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all time, Still I Rise is never mentioned in ANY Hip Hop discussions, not a very good poll here
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haha
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GODDAMN! my bad ya'll, and to Efrain I never even posted which I thought to be better I was just trying to get others opinions so it ain't like I'm one crazy ass tupac fan please do not put me in that category.
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I don't think the Outlawz were/are that bad but it took me sometime to figure out which voice belonged to which rapper. But yeah comparing Still I Rise and 36 Chambers is a definite no-no, not the least because Still I Rise does not feature original beats and it's not even really an album IMO just a compilation of reworked tracks.
I feel u, I never really could differ between Kastro and Napolean.
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Still I Rise really isn't a bad album but to compare it to 36 Chambers, to me thats outrageous
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GODDAMN! my bad ya'll, and to Efrain I never even posted which I thought to be better I was just trying to get others opinions so it ain't like I'm one crazy ass tupac fan please do not put me in that category.
Well, maybe I misjudged you then. It was just such a stupid comparison to make I think everyone here pegged you for a psycho tupac fan. If you were genuinely interested then my bad, but really what type of response were you expecting? :-\
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^I guess its bad on my part cause I'm just getting into wu tang so maybe I should of waited a bit longer before thinking up a post such as this, so thanks for ya'll opinions and I guess I'll pop in so more wu tang for now so I'll be able to make smarter comparisons in the future.
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Bad comparison. And I say that as a fan of the Outlawz, but no way they can be anywhere close to Wu-Tang.
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It's a really no contest for me, 36 Chambers.
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Still I Rise >>>> 36 Chambers.
Just forget the "influence" on the game. WHat you have left is a album of cheap ass beat mixed in 15 minutes and fuckin' disgusting quality for your ears to listen to, and you have a album that is mastered way better, dope lyrics plus some good productions on it. Still I Rise is way better imo.
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Still I Rise really isn't a bad album but to compare it to 36 Chambers, to me thats outrageous
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I thought this would be an interesting debate considering that both these groups were pretty deep outlawz having 7 or 8 members and wu tang rollin 9 deep and both groups having a great start off album.
so which album do you prefer?
fucking idiot...there is no interesting shit.how u gonna size up sttill i rise with 36chambers....i hate when rookies start thinking for them selfs. :poke:
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Just forget the "influence" on the game. WHat you have left is a album of cheap ass beat mixed in 15 minutes and fuckin' disgusting quality for your ears to listen to
Wow. I don't know whether you say that just to shock people or anything, but damn... I guess Enter The Wu-Tang just wasn't for everybody.
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Judging by his comments in the Talib thread he is either trying to stir people into responses or is just ignorant.
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I think Xander lost his mind...he still the homie though 8)
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Still I Rise really isn't a bad album but to compare it to 36 Chambers, to me thats outrageous
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^I guess its bad on my part cause I'm just getting into wu tang so maybe I should of waited a bit longer before thinking up a post such as this, so thanks for ya'll opinions and I guess I'll pop in so more wu tang for now so I'll be able to make smarter comparisons in the future.
man dont be ashamed i realised we're going a bit strong on you, you gotta make your own opinions and you can dig the outlaws more, it's not everybody that feels how great we think wu tang was
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Just forget the "influence" on the game. WHat you have left is a album of cheap ass beat mixed in 15 minutes and fuckin' disgusting quality for your ears to listen to
Wow. I don't know whether you say that just to shock people or anything, but damn... I guess Enter The Wu-Tang just wasn't for everybody.
i bought 36 chambers in 1996 and the first time i thought the grimmy dirty side of the sound quality was really an handicap to the cd but after 10 years i can say it is something that makes it great
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I think Xander lost his mind...he still the homie though 8)
Nah man, if i gotta pick one of the 2 cd's mentioned, then i go with Still I Rise. For me it is much better. And it also has a better quality, i hate it when cd's are not mastered, have bad sound effects, plus i just don't see what the "big deal" about Enter The 36 Chambers is, to me it's just an overhyped album.
I also like the Outlawz-style of rapping and stuff, plus the beats on Still I Rise are far better then 36 Chambers (of course around the time 36 Chambers came out the beatmakin' stuff was not as developped as in 1999 but still).
I think that's the problem with many people, they act like nothing good is coming out anymore, but let's take an album that came out this year, let's say Buck The World, nothing groundbreaking, dope album though. If this came out in 1993 though it would have changed music in a sorta way. Nowadays many cd's are mastered much better, have better beats (i take a recent Jazze Pha beat over an old Rza beat anyday) etc. etc.
Of course you can't expect something totally new anymore, like Nas said "there's nothing new under the sun" and almost everything has been done already, from gangsta-rap to Tribe Called Quest-shit. So yeah, people have expectations of albums that are never gonna come through, so they get disappointed everytime they hear something new and miss out on a lot of gems.
+1, you're a cool poster, i respect your opinion. 8)
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i take a recent Jazze Pha beat over an old Rza beat anyday)
ROFL! LOLOLOLOL
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I think Xander lost his mind...he still the homie though 8)
Nah man, if i gotta pick one of the 2 cd's mentioned, then i go with Still I Rise. For me it is much better. And it also has a better quality, i hate it when cd's are not mastered, have bad sound effects, plus i just don't see what the "big deal" about Enter The 36 Chambers is, to me it's just an overhyped album.
I also like the Outlawz-style of rapping and stuff, plus the beats on Still I Rise are far better then 36 Chambers (of course around the time 36 Chambers came out the beatmakin' stuff was not as developped as in 1999 but still).
I think that's the problem with many people, they act like nothing good is coming out anymore, but let's take an album that came out this year, let's say Buck The World, nothing groundbreaking, dope album though. If this came out in 1993 though it would have changed music in a sorta way. Nowadays many cd's are mastered much better, have better beats (i take a recent Jazze Pha beat over an old Rza beat anyday) etc. etc.
Of course you can't expect something totally new anymore, like Nas said "there's nothing new under the sun" and almost everything has been done already, from gangsta-rap to Tribe Called Quest-shit. So yeah, people have expectations of albums that are never gonna come through, so they get disappointed everytime they hear something new and miss out on a lot of gems.
+1, you're a cool poster, i respect your opinion. 8)
I don't care for un-mastered albums myself, but Enter the 36...was just raw hip-hop. 7-8 great personalities just spittin. It wasn't a forced album, just something they put out. Dudes flipped some fuckin lyrical gymnastics on this. I'm not a big fan or pre-96 music myself either. So what if you have to turn it up more in your car, it's worth it. And as far as Jazze's current beats over RZA's past, no way imo. RZA was a groundbreaking producer, Jazze Pha CURRENT work is whatever he thinks the pop wants.
As far as SIR, I dunno, the Outlawz dominating an album just bored me, Pac's verses felt like they didn't belong, and u can't tell me "Tear Drops & Closed Caskets" wasn;t originally JUST a Pac song. The 'Lawz came into there own on Novakane, but this SIR album was just to capitalze on Pac's recent passing imho.
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It is how you look at it. I think Jazze Pha is capable of adapting to his listeners, if he wanna make a mainstream record he can. Rza never really made these catchy mainstream records, he has made good beats, but nothing near mainstream level, closest song to mainstream for him is prolly that Biggie song off Life After Death.
I think it is a great advantage when a producer (or rapper) can adapt to the listeners and make sure his beats (or raps) get heard by the masses. It is definately a skill too.
Wether Jazze Pha is better then Rza or the other way around, is just an opinion. I only called Jazze Pha in my post cause he came to my mind when i thought about recent good producers, i could name some others here as well, like Timbaland, Just Blaze, DJ Paul & Juicy J etc.
I can really enjoy Still I Rise, and i can't seem to like Enter The 36 Chambers, so to me, Still I Rise is way better. That is my opinion, i can see your point though. 36 Chambers has set a point ofr others, while Still I Rise is following a certain formula Pac created, so in that aspect i can see it is not "original" but then again, by the time 36 Chambers came out, there was already made lots of "gangsta-rap" and stuff like that so i don't think 36 Chambers is 100% original as well. It's all a matter of opinions though. For me, Still I Rise >>> 36 Chambers. 8)
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Nice thread.
+1 to Xander, u say alot of good ish
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Props back at ya, i just say what i think of it, to me Still I Rise is an underappreciated album. It is sad to see people discarding the album before even really listening to it just "cause the Outlawz try to get profit off Pac's death".
I don't think that is the case, if anything it is an hommage to Pac. The Outlawz been with Pac for a long time and they together had a style, it is not just Pac. Maybe he influenced the Outlawz, but even when that happened it is still the whole image they both created, and not just Pac. They also worked with producers who worked with Pac when he was alive, Johnny J, QDIII and even Kurupt and Daz produce each 1 song on it. Nate Dogg sings on Teardrops & Closed Caskets. All people Pac worked with when he was alive, this album, together with Until The End Of Time (which featured the rappers and producers Pac worked with when he was still alive) are the 2 best post-humous releases of 2Pac.
On that note, let me continue to say i like the style the Outlawz and Pac created, i can see what they mean, how they picture it and their raps just have something extra what many other songs don't have. I mean Letter To The President, As The World Turns, Teardrops & Closed Caskets, Hell 4 A Hustler etc. etc. are kinda deep songs.
Add that to the fact i like quality albums (and not just good songs, but this includes mastering etc. as well) and i have to like Still I Rise more then 36 Chambers, no hate intended but for me this is the truth.
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lmfao @ xander. next thing you know he's gonna say Vitesse is going to be a contender for the championship next year.
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Actually.....they are.
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hahahahahahahaha!
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;)