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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Chief on June 23, 2007, 11:51:13 PM

Title: having the right attitude.
Post by: Chief on June 23, 2007, 11:51:13 PM
it's a wonder how having a good attitude makes life so much easier for everyone, and the catch is people with a fucked attitude have no idea how peaceful their life can be, and how difficult they make it for everyone else.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: AndrE16686 on June 24, 2007, 02:11:30 AM
For real. Positivity gets you through the day. Its a bitch having to live or work with somebody with a depressing attitude. If you are comfortable with yourself you can make it through anything.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on June 24, 2007, 04:31:58 AM
The quality of a person's life is actually determined by the daily conversation that runs through their head.

Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 24, 2007, 05:34:24 AM
so I guess it depends on how good you are when it comes to lying to yourself?
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2007, 07:26:29 AM
The quality of a person's life is actually determined by the daily conversation that runs through their head.



Really? If that's true, than hell.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2007, 06:11:57 PM
^ Hellz yeah that's true,

It may be that those who do most, dream most. - Stephen Leacock 
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Elevz on June 25, 2007, 01:29:44 AM
so I guess it depends on how good you are when it comes to lying to yourself?

It's only a lie when you know there's another truth. Your perception of life may be rather negative, but that doesn't mean everybody elses should be. You can call it ignorance if you like, but I bet life gets more fertile through a sense of positivism. Make that your truth, and you won't have to lie to yourself.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Chief on June 25, 2007, 01:53:01 AM
i'm note necessarily referring to being positive, although that also comes into it. i mean how people deal with situations, how they react when something happens, they can either freak out or be cool.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on June 25, 2007, 04:32:41 AM
so I guess it depends on how good you are when it comes to lying to yourself?

no, not at all.  The heart can always detect a lie.  So it wouldn't help to lie to yourself, that would make for uncomfortable conversation within your head.  And I was actually suggesting that the quality of converation within your head determines your level of happiness.  So honesty with yourself would definitely be more pleasing to your own heart.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 25, 2007, 06:04:33 AM
so I guess it depends on how good you are when it comes to lying to yourself?

no, not at all.  The heart can always detect a lie.  So it wouldn't help to lie to yourself, that would make for uncomfortable conversation within your head.  And I was actually suggesting that the quality of converation within your head determines your level of happiness.  So honesty with yourself would definitely be more pleasing to your own heart.

lol... do you honestly believe that, or is that just something your religion somehow tells you to believe?
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on June 25, 2007, 09:09:14 AM


lol... do you honestly believe that, or is that just something your religion somehow tells you to believe?


Ofcourse I honestly believe that.  Tell me which part of it is hard for you to believe?

Your telling me that your own heart would feel comfortable with being lied to?
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 25, 2007, 11:07:12 AM


lol... do you honestly believe that, or is that just something your religion somehow tells you to believe?


Ofcourse I honestly believe that.  Tell me which part of it is hard for you to believe?

Your telling me that your own heart would feel comfortable with being lied to?

Of course not. But you're telling me that my own heart would feel comfortable with a fucked up reality. I disagree.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Elevz on June 25, 2007, 01:28:30 PM
^ No offense, but aren't you bittered either way? Either you hate not knowing the full truth, or you hate the fact that you have the harsh truth you were looking for?
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 25, 2007, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: Chamillionaire
Telling yourself it's gon get better, but ain't believing a word

That's basically what my point comes down to. If something simply sucks, some people be like "have a more positive attitude", "look at the bright sight", "things will get better" etc... but at the end of the day, you're just lying to yourself if you believe that. It's not helping, unless you're a pretty fucking good liar.

And it's not just about being bitter about everything, it's about being real with yourself. If something is dope, don't take anything away from that fact, and enjoy it. But I disagree with people who call it an attitude problem when somebody simply acknowledges the fact that something sucks.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Elevz on June 25, 2007, 01:46:48 PM
^ Yeah, I respect that, that's some decent honesty. More people need that.

Question is, what do you value? With such a stance on life, you sure as hell must be something close to an objectivist to be able to survive mentally. That is: do you rule out the suckers in life, minimize your external dependency and recognise the virtue in your personal goals? Because I seem to remember that's not really you either...
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 25, 2007, 02:15:59 PM
^ Yeah, I respect that, that's some decent honesty. More people need that.

Question is, what do you value? With such a stance on life, you sure as hell must be something close to an objectivist to be able to survive mentally. That is: do you rule out the suckers in life, minimize your external dependency and recognise the virtue in your personal goals? Because I seem to remember that's not really you either...

Well, what you mean by surviving mentally? As far as I'm concerned, a little alcohol (and sometimes a little more) always does the trick somehow.  :D
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Chief on June 26, 2007, 02:05:03 AM
infinite actually has a good point. that comes more into negative and positive thinking though, it is not healthy to be worried about shit all the time, and to think negatively about people.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on June 26, 2007, 04:48:22 AM


Of course not. But you're telling me that my own heart would feel comfortable with a fucked up reality. I disagree.


When did I say your own heart would be comfortable with a fucked up reality? 

Let me try to explain it in a different way.  A man can have billions, live in a mansion, etc... but if the conversation in his own head is not good, then he can't even sleep at night and he is miserable even though he's sleeping in a mansion.

I think it was Yogunda that said, "Having material wealth and having no inner-peace, is like being thirsty while bathing in a lake".
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2007, 04:51:45 AM


Of course not. But you're telling me that my own heart would feel comfortable with a fucked up reality. I disagree.


When did I say your own heart would be comfortable with a fucked up reality? 

Let me try to explain it in a different way.  A man can have billions, live in a mansion, etc... but if the conversation in his own head is not good, then he can't even sleep at night and he is miserable even though he's sleeping in a mansion.

I think it was Yogunda that said, "Having material wealth and having no inner-peace, is like being thirsty while bathing in a lake".

So far so good, but what's with being thirsty while being lost in the desert?
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2007, 05:25:21 AM


Of course not. But you're telling me that my own heart would feel comfortable with a fucked up reality. I disagree.


When did I say your own heart would be comfortable with a fucked up reality? 

Let me try to explain it in a different way.  A man can have billions, live in a mansion, etc... but if the conversation in his own head is not good, then he can't even sleep at night and he is miserable even though he's sleeping in a mansion.

I think it was Yogunda that said, "Having material wealth and having no inner-peace, is like being thirsty while bathing in a lake".

So far so good, but what's with being thirsty while being lost in the desert?

It's simple as this: if you're able to cope with reality, you won't be having any trouble. Nor should you need alcohol to survive in that case. That's just what I mean by being able to survive mentally: are you strong enough cope with life? Otherwise, you've basically turned yourself into a helpless victim...
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2007, 05:33:52 AM
I could also live without eating pizza... will I ever do it? No, not as long as I like pizza. What exactly is the point in limiting yourself just to prove that you are strong enough? Actually, alcohol is just one of many ways of dealing with things. Other people overwork themselves, start blaming the white man, become religious freaks or (in a woman's case) open their legs for a different random sucker on a daily... there are many ways.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2007, 05:36:23 AM
^ You act as if there's no way to live without having to escape from reality... Isn't that exactly what you denounced earlier on?

That's not saying you shouldn't consume alcohol or pizza's, but does it have to be a matter of escaping?
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2007, 05:49:06 AM
^ You act as if there's no way to live without having to escape from reality... Isn't that exactly what you denounced earlier on?

That's not saying you shouldn't consume alcohol or pizza's, but does it have to be a matter of escaping?

I never promoted escaping from reality. I denounced that, and rightfully so. I remember we had this convo about alcohol over a year ago in mIRC. Lol... what is your problem with drinking a cold beer and feeling good? It's not LSD what we're talking about here. Maybe I made it look like I'm an alcoholic or a depressive drinker and whatnot, but that is not the case.

But I know what you mean and you got a point. Lying to yourself to make yourself feel better or drinking to make yourself feel better... I see the correlation.
Title: Re: having the right attitude.
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2007, 05:58:14 AM
I never promoted escaping from reality. I denounced that, and rightfully so. I remember we had this convo about alcohol over a year ago in mIRC. Lol... what is your problem with drinking a cold beer and feeling good? It's not LSD what we're talking about here. Maybe I made it look like I'm an alcoholic or a depressive drinker and whatnot, but that is not the case.

In that case, we agree. The thing I'm against, is to see potential going to waste, and to see how people lose control over themselves. Having a cold beer is a really good thing to do; that's an enjoyable activity. At the same time binge drinking or drinking to escape reality should be denounced by any rational standard. Oddly, at the same time that's exactly what society is promoting more or less. There's too few people, with too little control over themselves when it comes to consuming alcoholic drinks.