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Title: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Tanjential on July 17, 2007, 04:52:39 PM
Wow, now I see why ATL was so pissed about The Chronic.

First of all, this album is awesome. It's on par with Livin' Like Hustlers, which surprised me. Only problem was there was no song as smooth/dope/chill as "Ballin'" from LLH.

Now on with the controversy. I'm sure many of you know ATL took great creative issues with Dr.Dre's The Chronic. They claimed Dre stole the album's concept pretty much and made it into the Chronic. I didn't believe it, until today. I am 90% sure that's EXACTLY what happened.

The style of speech the rappers use (aloooot of dizzamn and eezy type speech etc.), there's a song that samples mothership connection (the same 'let me ride' chorus), a song about killing people with a spidery guitar riff (a la rat tat tat tat), the first song samples not just knee deep's bassline (just like fuck wit dre day, the first song on the chronic) and countless other parts like that.

So, I know this is common knowledge but Dirty Left was reminding me the other day about how when snoop was first chilling with dre, he was in the studio right around the time N.W.A was finishing up EFIL4ZAGGIN, hanging with ATL as they were doing Black Mafia Life (some accounts even say that this is how snoop and Pac first met as Pac is on BML) and Dre was in the studio while they were making it (though he wasn't involved like he was with LLH) near his last days at Ruthless.
  This makes sense to me as they don't diss Dre/DR on BML even though it came out in 93. Eazy mentions the lack of Dre, but it's not a diss. actually he's complimenting dre. he says something to the effect of "i know dre didn't do it, but gimme that beat"

that said, Dre took BML's concepts and basic samples/musical foundation (clinton/collins/mayfield etc.), found better MCs (snoop, rbx, rage, kurupt etc.) and produced the same album but better, because he's Doctor fucking Dre.

as dope as BML is, none of the songs are as tightly put together as the chronic's tracks. the tracks sound more muddled, the chorus/verse distinctions aren't that clear, the sound/instrumentation isn't as crisp as The Chronic to say nothing of the rapping (which while fun just doesn't compare to snoop or Kurupt, maybe equal with the rest, MAYBE) etc. so while Dre probably more than likely DID rip off ATL's concept and samples, I think he had a reason, and Dre's previous work on a contextual level was still definitely building up to The Chronic which makes me think perhaps that the chronic/BML concept is something the whole ruthless camp (probably D.O.C. when you think about it) was toying with since straight outta compton dropped.

anyway, discuss.

secondly, many people say 2pac is the first cat to use the term "g funk" cause of his appearance on BML but later on in the album one of the members of ATL says 'g funk' as well and as we don't know which track was recorded first, we may never know.

also, dr.dre's 'let me ride' had a 'g-funk remix' that couldn't have come out later than 93 and not only is the term g funk in the title but snoop uses the term in the song as well, does anyone know when the let me ride CDS/single was released relative to black mafia life or the recording schedule of either?

peace-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dclee on July 17, 2007, 05:12:04 PM
Good post. Don't really have much to add but yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said. I was surprised when I first heard BML and heard the same samples that were used in Dre Day and Let Me Ride, since i listened to The Chronic first. But yes, this is a very solid album, good guest spots. Though I thought Uncle Sam's Curse had a more defined G-Funk sound.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 17, 2007, 05:13:39 PM
another thought I wanted to add was that this WAS the ruthless chronic effectively. in the sense that it had some of the only things missing from the chronic that would have made it out of this world dope like Eazy, 2pac, and Ren. if one of the two records had cube, those two discs would be the 2 most essential discs in west coast rap.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 17, 2007, 05:16:39 PM
does anyone know why the chronic didn't diss ATL and ATL didn't diss the chronic's participants?

i wonder if dre didn't diss ATL on the chronic BECAUSE he knew that would be going too far since he already stole their concept.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: acgrundy on July 17, 2007, 05:38:00 PM
dude, people need to get over all this stealing shit...so much rap has basically copied old funk anyways...both these albums heavily sampled older tracks, and basically used older concepts.  Thats music, people like what they listen to and try to evolve it.  "It Was a Good Day" by cube produced by pooh uses pretty much the same exact beat as the Isley Brothers song...u could basically say Pooh stole that beat.  And the same goes for hundreds of beats.  And then look how many albums and producers copied the style of Dre's 2001.  People get influenced in music, and that is how it is.  Dre made a masterpiece w/ the chronic, and u would be an idiot to say that he didn't have any influence on it.  He had tons of old school funk influence...not BML influence.  Both albums were influenced by the same music, which also influenced hundreds of other albums.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 17, 2007, 05:43:01 PM
dude, people need to get over all this stealing shit...so much rap has basically copied old funk anyways...both these albums heavily sampled older tracks, and basically used older concepts.  Thats music, people like what they listen to and try to evolve it.  "It Was a Good Day" by cube produced by cube uses pretty much the same exact beat as the Isley Brothers song...u could basically say Pooh stole that beat.  And the same goes for hundreds of beats.  And then look how many albums and producers copied the style of Dre's 2001.  People get influenced in music, and that is how it is.  Dre made a masterpiece w/ the chronic, and u would be an idiot to say that he didn't have any influence on it.  He had tons of old school funk influence...not BML influence.  Both albums were influenced by the same music, which also influenced hundreds of other albums.
i think the difference here is that cold 187 aka big hutch has said many times before that dre heard early versions of black mafia life and then goes and records the chronic right afterwards.....i would call that more than a coincidence, and its not about influence, its about taking someones idea and claiming it as your own.....did dre use those samples better? absolutely. did he think to use those samples prior to hearing hutch use the same exact ones? thats up for debate........
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: acgrundy on July 17, 2007, 05:56:59 PM
dude, people need to get over all this stealing shit...so much rap has basically copied old funk anyways...both these albums heavily sampled older tracks, and basically used older concepts.  Thats music, people like what they listen to and try to evolve it.  "It Was a Good Day" by cube produced by cube uses pretty much the same exact beat as the Isley Brothers song...u could basically say Pooh stole that beat.  And the same goes for hundreds of beats.  And then look how many albums and producers copied the style of Dre's 2001.  People get influenced in music, and that is how it is.  Dre made a masterpiece w/ the chronic, and u would be an idiot to say that he didn't have any influence on it.  He had tons of old school funk influence...not BML influence.  Both albums were influenced by the same music, which also influenced hundreds of other albums.
i think the difference here is that cold 187 aka big hutch has said many times before that dre heard early versions of black mafia life and then goes and records the chronic right afterwards.....i would call that more than a coincidence, and its not about influence, its about taking someones idea and claiming it as your own.....did dre use those samples better? absolutely. did he think to use those samples prior to hearing hutch use the same exact ones? thats up for debate........

who knows if dre or hutch got the idea first.  Hell, there could be hundreds of people who do music, who had the idea, but didn't do anything with it.  Maybe because they were lazy, had no connections, didn't know how, were afraid it might not work, etc.  The point is people come up w/ ideas all the time, and people copy off ideas all the time.  How many different companies have copied the IPOD?  Dozens.  But what is the most know?  The Apple Ipod.  Some people may like BML more than the Chronic, but for the most part the chronic is way more popular.  Who cares if someone copies an idea, that shit happens all the time, its what you do with the idea.  Shit happens in music, movies, tv, video games, businesses, its life.  If you think you are the first person to come up with an idea, you most likely are wrong.  The music that was sampled on those albums had been out for 10+ years, chances are someone thought of those ideas even before dre and hutch.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: d-nice on July 17, 2007, 06:08:34 PM
dude, people need to get over all this stealing shit...so much rap has basically copied old funk anyways...both these albums heavily sampled older tracks, and basically used older concepts.  Thats music, people like what they listen to and try to evolve it.  "It Was a Good Day" by cube produced by cube uses pretty much the same exact beat as the Isley Brothers song...u could basically say Pooh stole that beat.  And the same goes for hundreds of beats.  And then look how many albums and producers copied the style of Dre's 2001.  People get influenced in music, and that is how it is.  Dre made a masterpiece w/ the chronic, and u would be an idiot to say that he didn't have any influence on it.  He had tons of old school funk influence...not BML influence.  Both albums were influenced by the same music, which also influenced hundreds of other albums.
i think the difference here is that cold 187 aka big hutch has said many times before that dre heard early versions of black mafia life and then goes and records the chronic right afterwards.....i would call that more than a coincidence, and its not about influence, its about taking someones idea and claiming it as your own.....did dre use those samples better? absolutely. did he think to use those samples prior to hearing hutch use the same exact ones? thats up for debate........

who knows if dre or hutch got the idea first.  Hell, there could be hundreds of people who do music, who had the idea, but didn't do anything with it.  Maybe because they were lazy, had no connections, didn't know how, were afraid it might not work, etc.  The point is people come up w/ ideas all the time, and people copy off ideas all the time.  How many different companies have copied the IPOD?  Dozens.  But what is the most know?  The Apple Ipod.  Some people may like BML more than the Chronic, but for the most part the chronic is way more popular.  Who cares if someone copies an idea, that shit happens all the time, its what you do with the idea.  Shit happens in music, movies, tv, video games, businesses, its life.  If you think you are the first person to come up with an idea, you most likely are wrong.  The music that was sampled on those albums had been out for 10+ years, chances are someone thought of those ideas even before dre and hutch.

Being both Dre and Hutch basically came from the same camp I think some ideas were definitely copied. Now as to who copied who, that like Knoxx said is up for debate. It's always good to see and hear Above The Law threads giving them props because they get lost in the shuffle and don't get their just due alot of times.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 17, 2007, 06:38:36 PM
another thought I wanted to add was that this WAS the ruthless chronic effectively. in the sense that it had some of the only things missing from the chronic that would have made it out of this world dope like Eazy, 2pac, and Ren. if one of the two records had cube, those two discs would be the 2 most essential discs in west coast rap.

-T
Black mafia life came first and everybody knows this that was part of the early ruthless gang which eventually branched off into the death row side and you had the original ruthless side.If you listen to niggaz for life hutch,kmg and kokane were on the intro of that record and hucth says above the law in this mutha,this is blakck mafia for life down with the real niggaz for life. He states black mafia life was already in the workings before the chronic and before BML and what was in the works was never missing a beat which is the song that hutch played for Dre and was the embryo stages of G-funk which in turn Dre got the idea for Dre day for. The only reason you think that dre came up with the concept is because he came out with the chronic first while ATL were in a label change going from epic to giant records. The influneces you start to to see being sprinkled all over from dudes like warren g and snoop dogg who were down with the black mob 6 months before Deep cover. Warren G and hutch lived together and this is why you hear warren hollering the g-funk as well as snoop dogg,talking about I'm not bragging,but I'm blue ragging. This jingle I'm not blue ragging was taken out of the contents of the hook on never missing a beat which kokane sings I'm not bragging. Snoop continued to get influence with him saying,everything is fine when you listen to the D-o-g, I got the cultivated music that be capturing me or whatever,which was taken out of the contents of,everything is fine when you rolling with you homies and a little bit of VSOP.



Now the reason why ATL didn't diss Dre on BML was because it was no reason to diss him. But dre takes it upon himself to diss hutch on one of those dogg pound joints,talking about it was kinda of cold how his ass got smoked. But the only thang he get's kurupt and daz to diss and he in the background whispering subliminals,stay in the studio all you want,you can't fade this. So this is why hutch disses him on kokan'e funk upon a ryhme record.


But at the end of the day it was all one N.W.A gang. Dre got some influences from his homie big hutch. When the family split into two,Atl stayed down with Eazy and Dre rolled with suge and the row. Dre inturn was influence big time with the chronic by above the law, the disrespectful thang with Dre,snoop and evrybody else was they didn't give ATL props for the influence and this is why there is a big discussion on this issue. But at the same time Dre has influence ATL as well ,so it's all really one family that is split into two forces who need to be unified under one N.W.A umbrella.



Now see the influence keeps going because if you listen to kokane's funk upon a ryhme, there is a song called the aftermath and you have dirty red aka shaki speaking on the intro talking about the black mob wanted to call themselves the aftermath, on this particular cut you hear influences on maybe why dre named his label aftermath records by the way shaki does the intro.


Also ATl put tupac on the N.W.A tree with call it what you want.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 17, 2007, 06:46:43 PM
^^
props On That Info, Homie!!!

+1

Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 17, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
Grundy: I'm not taking credit away from Dre. The Chronic is a tighter piece for sure and that is to dre's credit. the sound on that record is phenomenal, you know i'm one of dre's biggest fans/supporters. I'm just saying, on a conceptual level he clearly took something from BML.

         If both records were full of p-funk samples that's one thing, there's a hundred famous p-funk songs BUT the conspicuous thing is that both albums sample THE SAME P FUNK RECORDS, the same 10 or so samples for the most part are flipped on each album.

It's not like ATL used 'knee deep' and dre sampled 'chocolate city'....nah, ATL used knee deep and dre used knee deep, and atl used mothership connection and dre used mothership connection, etc. etc.

and it's not just the samples, it's the concept of the album: to show the average non gangster person the mindstate of the G.

and even though he took that from them

a)he produced their first shit which was CLEARLY still a cortnerstone of their sound

and

b) as is evidenced by N.W.A's progressive works, the chronic is also what dre was headed towards, perhaps BML just allowed him to focus on the specific material he needed to to create this exaggerated gangster manifesto he had in mind.

shaka:

word, you speak the real. But I wouldn't go so far as to say Pac is a part of the NWA tree cause of one appearance.

anyway, the dogg pound track where they diss cold 187 is 'puffin' on blunts and drankin' tanqueray', one of Kurupt's best verses ever.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 17, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
also, if you read a bit more about DP/DR/Dre history you'll see that while dre initiated the beef, thr young and belligerent crips that made up the dogg pound were all too eager to escalate it. In other words, I don't know that dre specifically told Kurupt/Daz to diss anyone from the ruthless camp in that particular instance. especially considering Kurupt was freestyling.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: DJSpin on July 18, 2007, 05:32:56 AM
great topic, i have always been a fan of both BML and the CHronic from the frist days they both came out and you can easily tell that somewhere along the lines all the samples and ideas and basslines MUST have been discussed or heard by both parties together to include so many similar sounds on two different lp's, especailly when dre left ruthelss so abruptly and on bad terms its just tooo coincidental.  I agree that the ATL sound was def an big influenece on dre and he had to have heard some of Big Hutchs ideas and then took them in his own direction.   Whoever said that Never missing a Beat was in the works prior to EFFIL4zaggin i think is onto something because it had to be..especially with the references ATL makes in the intro.   
Another thing to think about, i dont know when Kam's Made in America came out, but the song Givin It Up produced by 187um uses the same bassline as Dre's lets get high...  i dont know which came out first..but another coincidence maybe...  i think Quik also used that same beat in the Break Bread tune..   i dont know just some comments i wanted to make
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: wcsoldier on July 18, 2007, 05:46:14 AM
Another thread that makes me laugh ... yeah Dre stole beats , used a lot of samples , didn't credit some people work but I don't think you can have a such carreer without having at least some talents... Dre is one (if not the main) reason of the past success of the West and nowadays new West rappers still beggin for a Dre beat , even if his downfall has begun ...
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Mygla on July 18, 2007, 06:39:39 AM
I read somewhere (maybe in the Ronin Ro book) that ATL was supposed to/wanted to bail on Ruthless along with Dre, DOC & Michel'le, that could be one of the reasons Dre didn't diss them on The Chronic and the other way around
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 07:10:52 AM
I read somewhere (maybe in the Ronin Ro book) that ATL was supposed to/wanted to bail on Ruthless along with Dre, DOC & Michel'le, that could be one of the reasons Dre didn't diss them on The Chronic and the other way around

They didn't leave ruthless due to their loyalty to eric and then nobody was going to take orders from suge at the time so they stayed down with E. But the reason that Dre didn't diss was he didn't want any beef with ATL and he also didn't want to give them any spotlight to claim that they came up with, not only the g-funk sound but the g-funk terminology.Dre played it smart but at that time knowbody really wanted to beef with ATL at this time because they were known then for being nortorious with their agressiveness behaviour,particularly the squabble with cube at the new music seminar.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: DJSpin on July 18, 2007, 07:13:12 AM
I read somewhere (maybe in the Ronin Ro book) that ATL was supposed to/wanted to bail on Ruthless along with Dre, DOC & Michel'le, that could be one of the reasons Dre didn't diss them on The Chronic and the other way around

They didn't leave ruthless due to their loyalty to eric and then nobody was going to take orders from suge at the time so they stayed down with E. But the reason that Dre didn't diss was he didn't want any beef with ATL and he also didn't want to give them any spotlight to claim that they came up with, not only the g-funk sound but the g-funk terminology.Dre played it smart but at that time knowbody really wanted to beef with ATL at this time because they were known then for being nortorious with their agressiveness behaviour,particularly the squabble with cube at the new music seminar.

what happended with cube and atl?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Adam Donnelly on July 18, 2007, 07:15:41 AM
Great post
About time the board had a good debate about some real West coast music  :D
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 07:28:27 AM
Another thread that makes me laugh ... yeah Dre stole beats , used a lot of samples , didn't credit some people work but I don't think you can have a such carreer without having at least some talents... Dre is one (if not the main) reason of the past success of the West and nowadays new West rappers still beggin for a Dre beat , even if his downfall has begun ...
Basically dawg it is the principle because if you look at it, the blue print of these concepts,sounds etc this created this westcoast thang from snoop to marshall mathers,from deathrow to aftermath. G-funk was the new explosion after N.W.A and with the sound you have what we do today. Snoop dogg knows he was influence by ATL because they put him on the N.W.A set,Aint knowbody questioning Dre's omnipotence his omnipresent nature,it is the principle behind the matter that he didn't give knowbody props. He still to this day goes around and acts like Eric's contribution to N.W.A is insignificant without his beats.He doesn't want to give E props for the vision of the group,what niggas was wearing how they dressed, the lyrical content, the character. None of these dudes from Dre,cube,ren and yella were street dudes. None of them sold dope and none of them were into any type of gangsterism. N.W.A.,dopeman,F- the police were concepts created by Eazy. E would have to tell them fools to stop writing korny beatsie boy,B-boy rhymes. Dre and evrybody else want to focus on E not writing his own lyrics but without E's mind and real gangster experience you wouldn't have those rhymes.



The same with G-funk, the name aftermath records etc. Dre is a a mega producer, better than hutch and anyone else but it is the princple behind this matter. He didn't create the wheel by himself
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 18, 2007, 07:30:50 AM
So, I know this is common knowledge but Dirty Left was reminding me the other day about how when snoop was first chilling with dre, he was in the studio right around the time N.W.A was finishing up EFIL4ZAGGIN, hanging with ATL as they were doing Black Mafia Life (some accounts even say that this is how snoop and Pac first met as Pac is on BML) and Dre was in the studio while they were making it (though he wasn't involved like he was with LLH) near his last days at Ruthless.
  This makes sense to me as they don't diss Dre/DR on BML even though it came out in 93. Eazy mentions the lack of Dre, but it's not a diss. actually he's complimenting dre. he says something to the effect of "i know dre didn't do it, but gimme that beat"





originaLLy snoop even laid down a verse i believe for atl during this period, it was for never missin a beat i believe. imagine, ren pac and e with atl all on one lp,
he used to roll around with atl before the chronic
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 07:42:11 AM
So, I know this is common knowledge but Dirty Left was reminding me the other day about how when snoop was first chilling with dre, he was in the studio right around the time N.W.A was finishing up EFIL4ZAGGIN, hanging with ATL as they were doing Black Mafia Life (some accounts even say that this is how snoop and Pac first met as Pac is on BML) and Dre was in the studio while they were making it (though he wasn't involved like he was with LLH) near his last days at Ruthless.
  This makes sense to me as they don't diss Dre/DR on BML even though it came out in 93. Eazy mentions the lack of Dre, but it's not a diss. actually he's complimenting dre. he says something to the effect of "i know dre didn't do it, but gimme that beat"





originaLLy snoop even laid down a verse i believe for atl during this period, it was for never missin a beat i believe. imagine, ren pac and e with atl all on one lp,
he used to roll around with atl before the chronic

Snoop wasn't around at the time of niggas for life. ATL gave snoop his first shot at recording anything outside of a backyard demo. Dre wasn't messing with his little brother warren until he seen Hutch's interest in snoop.They had snoop booked to start recoding his demo but he never showed up to the studio,what precedes this was snoop and warren in the studio with Dre working on  pre death row material. Eazy said I know Dre didn't do it because ATL wanted their props  because Dre was given all the credit for producing Livin like hustlers.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on July 18, 2007, 07:44:19 AM
Great post
About time the board had a good debate about some real West coast music  :D

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: 3331 on July 18, 2007, 08:59:22 AM
i really don't think hutch had all these ideas and dre went in and took them and made his own shit. i imagine they both worked on the formula. they were both on ruthless and were both cool with one another. i think they probably both had some ideas and built on each others. we know with songs like always into somethin dre was heading in the g funk direction. i understand why hutch was pissed off at dre either way though. dre took a lot of the stuff hutch worked hard at and contributed to and passed it off completely as his own. i wonder if dre didn't release it first intentionally. if dre dissed above the law though i think it would make people listen to what atl had to say and make them doubt dre possibly. the way he did it the general public was barely aware black mafia life existed. i think dre knew more about producing and making a more polished sound. plus atl didn't know how to get in the limelight and make music the masses would love. i think this is how black mafia life got to be a forgotten gem and chronic a household name because of this. it's sad because chronic wouldn't have been as good without hutches ideas.

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: The King Of L.A on July 18, 2007, 09:04:32 AM
I rather have a classic chronic then have a unknown good album........ wiggers yall dont know what went down behind close doors so all you can do is speculate
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: wcsoldier on July 18, 2007, 09:14:32 AM
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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: The King Of L.A on July 18, 2007, 09:24:49 AM
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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Styles1 on July 18, 2007, 09:26:34 AM
Props to 3331.... Alwayz In To Something was a foreshadow of things to come by Dre.... although Hutch was on to the slowed up version of Knee Deep first...

hell... as long as both give true credit to george clinton and bootsy collins, then its all good....
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: wcsoldier on July 18, 2007, 09:28:35 AM
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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: The King Of L.A on July 18, 2007, 09:36:22 AM
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sig or avatar ...lol...
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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
Props to 3331.... Alwayz In To Something was a foreshadow of things to come by Dre.... although Hutch was on to the slowed up version of Knee Deep first...

hell... as long as both give true credit to george clinton and bootsy collins, then its all good....
No it wasn't what was to come. Dre was into rock at the time,mike sims was the guitar player them dudes was on a whole different tip. When ATl came to ruthless records,N.W.A was doing hip hop sounding east coast,run dmc,beasti boy influneced records. When ATl came to ruthless then you started hear and see the color the r& b aspect of gangsta rap. Songs like ballin which is a cameo sample,these joints were what was to come as pre stages of G-funk. You also have to take heed to the funk singing aspect with kokane doing the hooks which was another element ATl brought into the mix. Atl brought the player,hustler vibrations to the N.W.A gang and Dre followed suit and started to put color and pimp,plaerism into his music. Before aTl N.W.A was all black and white like Run Dmc.



The reggae on always into something was a concept that Dre got from kokane who brought the reggae aspect to the family.Which later you hear snoop attempt to perfrom on the chronic

Gangsta funk isn't just a sound it was a way of niggas doing their gangsta rap. G-funk was a rap style not just a sound and this why you hear warren g,snoop hollering G-funk which they got from their big homies ATl. They not only listen to never missing a beat and copied the sound idea but they also took the g-funk style ,which is teh terminology G-funk,which warren tried to popularize as his own.


The aftermath records name Dre got the idea from kokane's album. When you hear Shaki aka Dirty red doing a long intro on what the black mob wanted to call themselves and this was the aftermath, thsi is on kokan's funk upon a rhyme on a song called the aftermath. If you listen to shaki and you listen to how the aftermath now do their intro's,you will see the influence with this as well.



Dre copyied the idea the sound and rap style concept, but the only difference with all of this is Dre is  better producer than hutch. Dre is a real producer who can take what you do and make it 1000 times better.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: SP0RTY on July 18, 2007, 10:34:38 AM
yea i think dre would have ended up with the g funk sound but he copied bml for those exact samples.  i also i agree wit whoever said dre didnt diss them so that most people wouldn't have heard of them and they wouldnt listen to them like if he had dissed them they would investigate. good thread
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Styles1 on July 18, 2007, 11:10:41 AM
I am not saying that ATL didn't have that influence, and yes Straight Out Of Compton had a lot of East Coast influence (more of Public Enemy than Run-DMC & Beastie Boys, the Beasties influence is found more on NWA & The Posse).... but if you want to get technical, you can hear some early G-Funk on "Dopeman"... those high synths blasting after Cube's "Yo Dre! Kick In The Bass"...

But yes, after ATL came aboard the G-Funk attitude sharpened... Hell, Hutch is from a family with Soul/Funk/R&B roots!   
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
I am not saying that ATL didn't have that influence, and yes Straight Out Of Compton had a lot of East Coast influence (more of Public Enemy than Run-DMC & Beastie Boys, the Beasties influence is found more on NWA & The Posse).... but if you want to get technical, you can hear some early G-Funk on "Dopeman"... those high synths blasting after Cube's "Yo Dre! Kick In The Bass"...

But yes, after ATL came aboard the G-Funk attitude sharpened... Hell, Hutch is from a family with Soul/Funk/R&B roots!   
Those high synth sounds were were like Public enemy's rock fusion which is still black and white. The G-funk synth sounds are mutron sounds,Dx7 sounds and moog sounds, B-flatz or B-flat sounds of psychedelic colors of rainbow. The live instrumentation plays a huge part in the orchrestration of G-funk and p-funk.Parliament created the p-funk sound out of acid trips,The sound is a warped B-flat sound created around mutron mixing board alterations.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: AboveTheLaw on July 18, 2007, 11:32:20 AM
but if you want to get technical, you can hear some early G-Funk on "Dopeman"... those high synths blasting after Cube's "Yo Dre! Kick In The Bass"...

That was a sample/replayed element from 'Funky Worm' by the Ohio Players

But yes, after ATL came aboard the G-Funk attitude sharpened... Hell, Hutch is from a family with Soul/Funk/R&B roots!   

Yeah, Gregory Hutchinson (Cold187um) also studied Jazz composition.

His uncle Willie Hutch (RIP) scored a few blaxxxploitation films. One of the songs called 'Brothers Gonna Work it Out' from the film titled 'The Mack' was sampled by Dre on the opening to 'Rat-Tat-Tat-Tat'. It should also be noted that ATL also sampled some dialog from that movie on their 'Vocally Pimpin' EP back in 1991/1992.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 11:37:49 AM
but if you want to get technical, you can hear some early G-Funk on "Dopeman"... those high synths blasting after Cube's "Yo Dre! Kick In The Bass"...

That was a sample/replayed element from 'Funky Worm' by the Ohio Players

But yes, after ATL came aboard the G-Funk attitude sharpened... Hell, Hutch is from a family with Soul/Funk/R&B roots!   

Yeah, Gregory Hutchinson (Cold187um) also studied Jazz composition.

His uncle Willie Hutch (RIP) scored a few blaxxxploitation films. One of the songs called 'Brothers Gonna Work it Out' from the film titled 'The Mack' was sampled by Dre on the opening to 'Rat-Tat-Tat-Tat'. It should also be noted that ATL also sampled some dialog from that movie on their 'Vocally Pimpin' EP back in 1991/1992.
hutch plays the bass guitar fluently upside down because he plays left handed. hutch also plays the trumpet and keyboards or piano. Dre plays the Trap drums fluently and can mix or used to mix with,on the turntables with the best of them.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Styles1 on July 18, 2007, 11:40:41 AM
It was a sample... but "everything" that is being discussed here are samples... Funkadelic/Parliament's Knee Deep & Spaceship, the Cameo sample for Ballin .....  etc.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 18, 2007, 11:47:33 AM
Dre copyied the idea the sound and rap style concept, but the only difference with all of this is Dre is  better producer than hutch. Dre is a real producer who can take what you do and make it 1000 times better.
^^^
For Sure!!!
i Guess that's Sums it All Up!!
Dre Is the Man!!!

Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 11:53:36 AM
It was a sample... but "everything" that is being discussed here are samples... Funkadelic/Parliament's Knee Deep & Spaceship, the Cameo sample for Ballin .....  etc.
Naw homie it wasn't a sample it was a innovative interploy.A interploy is when you play around the rytyhm and give it it's own life, a life other than the original version. George clinton and bootsy collins are nothing but clones of jimmy hendrick. You listen to bootsy you are lsitening to jimi hendrix, you hear funakdelic,you are listening to james brown. Aint nothing new under the sun and the innovators take the magic to the next level.George clinton pays homegae to james brown and jimmi hendrix. The debate here is that Dre didn't give hutch his props because it aint about who came up with the sound first or second. The principle was Dre didn't give the proper justice, he just acted like he invented the wheel by himself,the same way he acts with the N.W.A experience.Knee deep or never missing a beat was a idea concieved by 187um and was created to give the inspiration of interploys that were independent of any parliament record,cameo,funkadelic or whoever the funk was. The g-funk was to stand on it's own and from this everybody became sample free and played their own evrsions of funk.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 11:55:32 AM
Dre copyied the idea the sound and rap style concept, but the only difference with all of this is Dre is  better producer than hutch. Dre is a real producer who can take what you do and make it 1000 times better.
^^^
For Sure!!!
i Guess that's Sums it All Up!!
Dre Is the Man!!!

Blu!

It doesn't sum it up not quite yet because Dre never gave hutch props and probably never will,so the sum has to come from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 18, 2007, 11:55:43 AM
dre has been the biggest part of westcoast rap, he is a true og, no one can deny that. look how many hits his name been on

eazy e, straight up the godfather of gangsta rap, he preety much set it off on the westcoast. look at the classic albums say Produced by Eric Wright on the back. he put it down in a major way and its sad no one will see where he could of taken hip hop into,

atl - not known but damn atl deserves there props along with other rappers like too short has well. they dropped bomb ass albums, were preety much like nwa, no radio play cus there singles were too hard to play alll around, they just made DOPE albums period.

seriously
Ruthless need to put out a Above the law greatest hits package along with all them old videos on dvd, everything from livin like hustlas up to uncle sams curse and kokanes funk album cus he was preety much atl
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 18, 2007, 11:59:36 AM
dre dont talk to nobody, no public / mainstream, everything is on the down low, he just sticks to what he knows best, runnin aftermath and droppin hot beats.
no one knows what hes really thinkin about shit that happened in the past, everyone always talks about it, but him.

like fuck id love to know his feelings on hutch, about his reletionship with eazy, how he really  felt about his death (hes discussed it, but never in depth, i mean damn, e and dre was a team) his true feelings on suge knight, michelle, his son hood surgeon.
i hope when detox time rolls around, whenever the hell that will be, he drops an interview he hear or somwhere and these questions are asked
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 12:07:13 PM
dre dont talk to nobody, no public / mainstream, everything is on the down low, he just sticks to what he knows best, runnin aftermath and droppin hot beats.
no one knows what hes really thinkin about shit that happened in the past, everyone always talks about it, but him.

like fuck id love to know his feelings on hutch, about his reletionship with eazy, how he really  felt about his death (hes discussed it, but never in depth, i mean damn, e and dre was a team) his true feelings on suge knight, michelle, his son hood surgeon.
i hope when detox time rolls around, whenever the hell that will be, he drops an interview he hear or somwhere and these questions are asked
He should have been gave up dap, that was damm near 20 years ago, somewhere in betewwn that time he should have said something. Whatever all this stuff is old anywayz, but at the same time he don't give up dap, he tries to say eazy was just a puppett in the studio. It don't matter tho,It will all pan out.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 18, 2007, 12:23:58 PM
"eazy was a puppet"
meaning that he had to spend alot of time with e laying down verses over and over cus of his lack of expierience behind the mic

i always thought e was more the puppet master in the studio givin ideas, concepts for songs.

oh yea and i have another question kinda offtopic but oh well

In the loping pouch between thumb and forefinger, is a tatto. Itsa a rough circle-maybe an inch in diameter- surrounding what appear to be a couple of chinese characters shaded in dark green.  As he pulls out the ruthless parking lot one day in his gray Mercedes 600 SEL, I ask what the writting means. He brushes me off with a half hearted grin and turns to top of his hand out of view.  Whether the tatoo hides something deep or nothing at all, the hiding itself is typical of Eazy, who still likes to keep certain things away from bpulic crutiny. --Source 1994 The Source interview

(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7312/eazysteve4sl9.gif)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9954/hand2nj0.jpg)

not apart of this discussion but eazy had this tattoo of a devil sign or pentogram or somthin on his hand, i heard dre had the same tattoo and is now covered up buy flames? i know he gets ink work done

i think u can kinda see it in this pic on dre
(http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/dr-dre/pictures/dr-dre-picture-3.jpg)

and i read earlier about atl and cube
there is another incident that went down, its discussed in jerry hellers book Ruthless. a backstage fight at a concert with hutch and cube over comments made by cube.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Styles1 on July 18, 2007, 12:38:02 PM
It was a sample... but "everything" that is being discussed here are samples... Funkadelic/Parliament's Knee Deep & Spaceship, the Cameo sample for Ballin .....  etc.
Naw homie it wasn't a sample it was a innovative interploy.A interploy is when you play around the rytyhm and give it it's own life, a life other than the original version. George clinton and bootsy collins are nothing but clones of jimmy hendrick. You listen to bootsy you are lsitening to jimi hendrix, you hear funakdelic,you are listening to james brown. Aint nothing new under the sun and the innovators take the magic to the next level.George clinton pays homegae to james brown and jimmi hendrix. The debate here is that Dre didn't give hutch his props because it aint about who came up with the sound first or second. The principle was Dre didn't give the proper justice, he just acted like he invented the wheel by himself,the same way he acts with the N.W.A experience.Knee deep or never missing a beat was a idea concieved by 187um and was created to give the inspiration of interploys that were independent of any parliament record,cameo,funkadelic or whoever the funk was. The g-funk was to stand on it's own and from this everybody became sample free and played their own evrsions of funk.

Sample... interlude... it's all pretty much the same because one can argue that they are making the sample itself have it's own life... but that is here are there... if the argument is about Dre not giving his props publically, then I'd say you are pretty much right, but like someone else said, Dre doesn't talk much...so I can't really say how he feels....

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 18, 2007, 12:44:38 PM
after reading dres bio by ronin ro and the jerry heller book recently makes you think, dre went through a whole lot of bullshit, he is alot more wise then he was in the time were all discussing. back then he was layin the smackdown on bitches, he was just notoriuos for gettin into trouble. now, you dont hear a peep
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 18, 2007, 12:50:10 PM
Dre copyied the idea the sound and rap style concept, but the only difference with all of this is Dre is  better producer than hutch. Dre is a real producer who can take what you do and make it 1000 times better.
^^^
For Sure!!!
i Guess that's Sums it All Up!!
Dre Is the Man!!!

Blu!

It doesn't sum it up not quite yet because Dre never gave hutch props and probably never will,so the sum has to come from somewhere else.


I was referring to the comment about Dre's ability to create dope material!!
I am not  referring to the incident between Dre & Hutch.

We'v only heard from one side ..there's probably a lot more we don't know..
I for One, would not want to deliberate on who owes whom credit!
If Dre owes Hutch credit then Fine, Dre should should some appreicate, if he don't..then unfortunatley life Goes On!!

Do I feel Sorry for Hutch, of course i do absolutely, however he can still get his name out there-Seeing as  Dre is taking his time with Detox and All..

Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 18, 2007, 01:03:25 PM

In the loping pouch between thumb and forefinger, is a tatto. Itsa a rough circle-maybe an inch in diameter- surrounding what appear to be a couple of chinese characters shaded in dark green.  As he pulls out the ruthless parking lot one day in his gray Mercedes 600 SEL, I ask what the writting means. He brushes me off with a half hearted grin and turns to top of his hand out of view.  Whether the tatoo hides something deep or nothing at all, the hiding itself is typical of Eazy, who still likes to keep certain things away from bpulic crutiny. --Source 1994 The Source interview

(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7312/eazysteve4sl9.gif)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9954/hand2nj0.jpg)

not apart of this discussion but eazy had this tattoo of a devil sign or pentogram or somthin on his hand, i heard dre had the same tattoo and is now covered up buy flames? i know he gets ink work done

i think u can kinda see it in this pic on dre
(http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/dr-dre/pictures/dr-dre-picture-3.jpg)

and i read earlier about atl and cube
there is another incident that went down, its discussed in jerry hellers book Ruthless. a backstage fight at a concert with hutch and cube over comments made by cube.


I've noticed that Tat before..I know Dre's Tat on his Left Hand is alot bigger than E's own..
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on July 18, 2007, 01:13:41 PM
Too each his own. Peace
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: 3331 on July 18, 2007, 01:20:59 PM
i'm a big atl fan but i don't think that when they came to ruthless that was exactly when dre and nwa started fucking around with funky samples. straight outta compton didn't really have a style of it's own but i think the albums nwa and dre assisted in after straight outta compton was where they started trying more funky shit that would lead to gfunk and creating a style of their own. i mean no one can do it better is a stage in between always into somethin and the straight outta compton days. it had a more funky sound to it. i think hutch threw out some ideas and dre threw out some ideas. the samples used on chronic and bml were the best ideas from the both of them and they both wanted to put out the best product they could so they used the others ideas. there's no question in my mind dre had a role in gfunk. i think hutch is mad because dre took what he did and put it out first as completely his own and he has a right to be but that doesn't mean it was all hutch. if the samples were all hutch then why didn't dre drop like a brick when it came time for him to choose his own samples for doggystyle production. either way dre executed the album better so i can't hate him. i still think it's sad hutch got robbed of being the creator of gfunk but i don't blame dre for doing what he did either.

Yo Dre Kick In The Bass was an early stage of the evolution of g funk. it all started with looped samples before producers started flipping them adding shit and making them a sound of their own. besides plenty of popular gfunk songs are just looped old samples with some drums and bass to make it better for rapping. there's a fine line between what people consider straight jacking samples and sampling.

imagine if dre recruited atl to aftermath :o...

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 19, 2007, 01:32:29 AM
that tat shit is crazy; I've read alot about how there's societies of satan worshippers and other occult organizations all throughout LA (like the Hotel California on California Street for example, it's a Satanic church) that intentionally seduce celebrities into their ranks with promises compared to the bluesman Robert Johnson's selling his soul to the devil to be a skilled and succesful blues guitarist. What it really comes down to is some goth assholes in LA hustling rappers and rockers.

I think the most likely scenario is:

Dre and Hutch were both working towards this manifesto album and when Dre lef they both commenced their plans to make said album. It's crazy that dre's dropped first considering he had to change labels in the interim. Hutch shoulda made that shit; can't believe he's related to willie hutch.

both artists' work were clearly leading to the chronic/bml. what would have likely happned had not the cube/heller situations happened is that hutch and dre would have produced the album together, and it woulda had all those cats, cube, snoop and pac...damn, how insane would that have been.  damn.




-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 19, 2007, 05:11:50 AM
that tat shit is crazy; I've read alot about how there's societies of satan worshippers and other occult organizations all throughout LA (like the Hotel California on California Street for example, it's a Satanic church) that intentionally seduce celebrities into their ranks with promises compared to the bluesman Robert Johnson's selling his soul to the devil to be a skilled and succesful blues guitarist. What it really comes down to is some goth assholes in LA hustling rappers and rockers.

-T

-T

For Real??

Dang, so that's what The Eagles meant when they sang that Song "Hotel California"..

props on This Man,anutha dope Info T.

Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Don Seer on July 19, 2007, 06:04:16 AM

how comes no one posted the most important thing?


Snoop was supposed to be on BML.. he was meant to rap over that instrumental section on "never missing a beat"...

what did he do that day?

he blew out ATL to meet Dre... and everyone knows the result of that first meeting was... Deep Cover..


Snoop made the right choice. end of.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: 3331 on July 19, 2007, 06:35:18 AM
that tat shit is crazy; I've read alot about how there's societies of satan worshippers and other occult organizations all throughout LA (like the Hotel California on California Street for example, it's a Satanic church) that intentionally seduce celebrities into their ranks with promises compared to the bluesman Robert Johnson's selling his soul to the devil to be a skilled and succesful blues guitarist. What it really comes down to is some goth assholes in LA hustling rappers and rockers.

I think the most likely scenario is:

Dre and Hutch were both working towards this manifesto album and when Dre lef they both commenced their plans to make said album. It's crazy that dre's dropped first considering he had to change labels in the interim. Hutch shoulda made that shit; can't believe he's related to willie hutch.

both artists' work were clearly leading to the chronic/bml. what would have likely happned had not the cube/heller situations happened is that hutch and dre would have produced the album together, and it woulda had all those cats, cube, snoop and pac...damn, how insane would that have been.  damn.

-T

-T



-T
It sounds perfect in theory by I wonder if them all splitting didn't make them try to one up each other producing better, more ambitious music.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 19, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
that tat shit is crazy; I've read alot about how there's societies of satan worshippers and other occult organizations all throughout LA (like the Hotel California on California Street for example, it's a Satanic church) that intentionally seduce celebrities into their ranks with promises compared to the bluesman Robert Johnson's selling his soul to the devil to be a skilled and succesful blues guitarist. What it really comes down to is some goth assholes in LA hustling rappers and rockers.

I think the most likely scenario is:

Dre and Hutch were both working towards this manifesto album and when Dre lef they both commenced their plans to make said album. It's crazy that dre's dropped first considering he had to change labels in the interim. Hutch shoulda made that shit; can't believe he's related to willie hutch.

both artists' work were clearly leading to the chronic/bml. what would have likely happned had not the cube/heller situations happened is that hutch and dre would have produced the album together, and it woulda had all those cats, cube, snoop and pac...damn, how insane would that have been.  damn.

-T

-T



-T
It sounds perfect in theory by I wonder if them all splitting didn't make them try to one up each other producing better, more ambitious music.

certainly that's true too, but they both had the same concept in mind: the ultimate definition of the gangster mentality, based around the same 7 samples or so.

and Blu, yep, exactly. that's why it talks about mercedes benz and wines and all that luxurious shit. it's just like tom cruise spending millions of dollars on scientology ever year, or even hardcore born again christians doing the same, it's some extremists using spirituality to hustle people.

alot of famous ass musicians have been involved with that shit. Jimmy Page from led zeppelin for example.

so who in else in dre and eazy's circles have that tat on their hands?

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 19, 2007, 06:26:10 PM
that tat shit is crazy; I've read alot about how there's societies of satan worshippers and other occult organizations all throughout LA (like the Hotel California on California Street for example, it's a Satanic church) that intentionally seduce celebrities into their ranks with promises compared to the bluesman Robert Johnson's selling his soul to the devil to be a skilled and succesful blues guitarist. What it really comes down to is some goth assholes in LA hustling rappers and rockers.

I think the most likely scenario is:

Dre and Hutch were both working towards this manifesto album and when Dre lef they both commenced their plans to make said album. It's crazy that dre's dropped first considering he had to change labels in the interim. Hutch shoulda made that shit; can't believe he's related to willie hutch.

both artists' work were clearly leading to the chronic/bml. what would have likely happned had not the cube/heller situations happened is that hutch and dre would have produced the album together, and it woulda had all those cats, cube, snoop and pac...damn, how insane would that have been.  damn.

-T

-T



-T
It sounds perfect in theory by I wonder if them all splitting didn't make them try to one up each other producing better, more ambitious music.

certainly that's true too, but they both had the same concept in mind: the ultimate definition of the gangster mentality, based around the same 7 samples or so.

and Blu, yep, exactly. that's why it talks about mercedes benz and wines and all that luxurious shit. it's just like tom cruise spending millions of dollars on scientology ever year, or even hardcore born again christians doing the same, it's some extremists using spirituality to hustle people.

alot of famous ass musicians have been involved with that shit. Jimmy Page from led zeppelin for example.

so who in else in dre and eazy's circles have that tat on their hands?

-T


^^
I'm not Sure I've checked..but can't say for certain!!
I've seen pics of Dre, and some info concerning his Tat.
I  read some where that both tats on his hands were done by Mister Cartoon 2004
Peep a Pic of Dre with both hands exposed displaying both Tatts:

Kinda weird that Eazy E & dre would ahve the same kinda tat on thier left hand..


(http://dr-dre.com/pictures/data/media/3/DrDre.jpg)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 19, 2007, 06:29:20 PM
that tat shit is crazy; I've read alot about how there's societies of satan worshippers and other occult organizations all throughout LA (like the Hotel California on California Street for example, it's a Satanic church) that intentionally seduce celebrities into their ranks with promises compared to the bluesman Robert Johnson's selling his soul to the devil to be a skilled and succesful blues guitarist. What it really comes down to is some goth assholes in LA hustling rappers and rockers.

I think the most likely scenario is:

Dre and Hutch were both working towards this manifesto album and when Dre lef they both commenced their plans to make said album. It's crazy that dre's dropped first considering he had to change labels in the interim. Hutch shoulda made that shit; can't believe he's related to willie hutch.

both artists' work were clearly leading to the chronic/bml. what would have likely happned had not the cube/heller situations happened is that hutch and dre would have produced the album together, and it woulda had all those cats, cube, snoop and pac...damn, how insane would that have been.  damn.

-T

-T



-T
It sounds perfect in theory by I wonder if them all splitting didn't make them try to one up each other producing better, more ambitious music.

certainly that's true too, but they both had the same concept in mind: the ultimate definition of the gangster mentality, based around the same 7 samples or so.

and Blu, yep, exactly. that's why it talks about mercedes benz and wines and all that luxurious shit. it's just like tom cruise spending millions of dollars on scientology ever year, or even hardcore born again christians doing the same, it's some extremists using spirituality to hustle people.

alot of famous ass musicians have been involved with that shit. Jimmy Page from led zeppelin for example.

so who in else in dre and eazy's circles have that tat on their hands?

-T


^^
I'm not Sure I've checked..but can't say for certain!!
I've seen pics of Dre, and some info concerning his Tat.
I  read some where that both tats on his hands were done by Mister Cartoon 2004
Peep a Pic of Dre with both hands exposed displaying both Tatts:

Kinda weird that Eazy E & dre would ahve the same kinda tat on thier left hand..


(http://dr-dre.com/pictures/data/media/3/DrDre.jpg)

that shit is crazy. I did not know dre got down like that. that pic doesn't seem satanic, but the ones with the little skin fold tats that eazy and dre had? those seem sketchy.

I didn't even know dre had tats before this thread.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 19, 2007, 07:22:47 PM
^^
True T!!
But I'm beginning to think that Dre's tat on hi left hand-the "Burning spider Web"
different from the Tat on Eazy's left Hand, it looks so much different
here's anutha pic of Dre with the said Tat more evident it looks kinda different from the eazy Tat

(http://www.aftermathmusic.com/_images/wallpaper/drdre_001.jpg)

As for Dre havin Tats, yeah he does, i seen a couple of photos of Him, displayng Tats,
(http://www.diverseimages.com/gallery2/d/711-2/Dr+Dre.jpg)

As for eazy E, i know some of the artis he recruited to Restless..did form a Pact with some Jews, so that is probably where eazy got that Tat, I'm not sure so don't quote me on that..as far as I Know Eazy was quiet on the reason or logic or explanation of that Tat on his left hand..

P.s To All the posters on this thread, sorry for Derailing the said topic!! 8)

Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: jeromechickenbone on July 19, 2007, 09:44:22 PM
Excellent topic.  It's like homie said, Dre is a true producer.  He'll take your shit and make it sound 100x better.  It's no coincidence that some of the greatest Hip Hop made over the last 20 years has had Dre as the common denominator.  He fundamentally understands what makes music dope.  And yeah, you always here cats that he worked with in the past always saying some shit like "Dre stole that beat from me", "I ghost produced", etc.  But the cats that said that shit haven't really done shit since fuckin with Dre, so their arguement doesn't hold much water.

And yeah, surely Dre heard some concepts and samples from ATL, but he took them to a whole nother level.  He was able to make that sound come together better.  But I def agree that it really seems as though The Chronic is a very similar album to Black Mafia Life.

Oh and props to that Shaka Zulu cat for droppin some knowledge. 

This is one of the best discussions on the West Coast section that I can remember for a long ass time.

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 20, 2007, 12:12:16 AM
Excellent topic.  It's like homie said, Dre is a true producer.  He'll take your shit and make it sound 100x better.  It's no coincidence that some of the greatest Hip Hop made over the last 20 years has had Dre as the common denominator.  He fundamentally understands what makes music dope.  And yeah, you always here cats that he worked with in the past always saying some shit like "Dre stole that beat from me", "I ghost produced", etc.  But the cats that said that shit haven't really done shit since fuckin with Dre, so their arguement doesn't hold much water.

And yeah, surely Dre heard some concepts and samples from ATL, but he took them to a whole nother level.  He was able to make that sound come together better.  But I def agree that it really seems as though The Chronic is a very similar album to Black Mafia Life.

Oh and props to that Shaka Zulu cat for droppin some knowledge. 

This is one of the best discussions on the West Coast section that I can remember for a long ass time.



I whole heartedly agree; felt like I had to bring it back.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 20, 2007, 12:27:52 AM
Blu, aight, i checked the dre tat, you're right. it's just the spider web, i was trippin. so eazy and dre probly DIDN'T make a satanic pact together. cool.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 20, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
Excellent topic.  It's like homie said, Dre is a true producer.  He'll take your shit and make it sound 100x better.  It's no coincidence that some of the greatest Hip Hop made over the last 20 years has had Dre as the common denominator.  He fundamentally understands what makes music dope.  And yeah, you always here cats that he worked with in the past always saying some shit like "Dre stole that beat from me", "I ghost produced", etc.  But the cats that said that shit haven't really done shit since fuckin with Dre, so their arguement doesn't hold much water.

And yeah, surely Dre heard some concepts and samples from ATL, but he took them to a whole nother level.  He was able to make that sound come together better.  But I def agree that it really seems as though The Chronic is a very similar album to Black Mafia Life.

Oh and props to that Shaka Zulu cat for droppin some knowledge. 

This is one of the best discussions on the West Coast section that I can remember for a long ass time.



I whole heartedly agree; felt like I had to bring it back.

-T

Guess T said it Best! 8)
Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 20, 2007, 03:48:44 AM
Blu, aight, i checked the dre tat, you're right. it's just the spider web, i was trippin. so eazy and dre probly DIDN'T make a satanic pact together. cool.

-T

Hahaha!! ;D
Yeah I don't think they Did, besides Dre's hands just got Tat'ed Up!
if you look at Chronic 2001 pics for the Cd, Booklet, the back cover of the booklet, Dre has no aforementioned Tats on his hands, and that was in 2000/2001.

But i agree i trip!!
+1
Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 20, 2007, 04:16:11 PM
Blu, aight, i checked the dre tat, you're right. it's just the spider web, i was trippin. so eazy and dre probly DIDN'T make a satanic pact together. cool.

-T

Hahaha!! ;D
Yeah I don't think they Did, besides Dre's hands just got Tat'ed Up!
if you look at Chronic 2001 pics for the Cd, Booklet, the back cover of the booklet, Dre has no aforementioned Tats on his hands, and that was in 2000/2001.

But i agree i trip!!
+1
Blu!




so you're saying dre got those cats very recently?

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 20, 2007, 04:23:20 PM

^^Well the Tat on Both his hands yes, cuz they were done By Mr Cartoon, in 2004

Not sure of the Tat on his shoulder, nor the Tat on his inner left arm, think he had those aforementined Tats(shoulder & Inner Left Arm) done before, cuz on the 2001 Chronic Tour, the scene with Dre with the Girls in the Bathtub, when he calls Snoop, you can see his Tats!
So these ones were probably done  earlier, but his Tat on his both his hands are recent-ish circa 2004

Blu!

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 20, 2007, 04:29:57 PM
oh shit, i just remembered that mr.cartoon did those crazy vans that one cat has in his sig here, that dude's the shit.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: JohnnyL on July 20, 2007, 09:43:22 PM
 Regarding the Tat on Eazy's hand, Heller said in a recent interview that he couldn't remember exactly what it was, but it did have something to do with the occult.  He did go on to say though, that Eazy didn't worship Satan or anything, he was just really into scary movies.

  As far as the subject concerning ATL's "Black Mafia Life" album, I have to say that in my opinion, it marked the origin of G-Funk.  I'm not taking anything away from Dre or Snoop.  They definately were the first to take the music to a new level of commercial success.  You might say they were the first to make that style of music successful with the mainstream.  I also have to agree with Tanj that I don't think that "Black Mafia Life' as an album is the masterpiece that "The Chronic" was.  But listening to it, you can tell that it must have heavily influenced what would define the westcoast sound for the early to mid nineties.

  Now as far as why, ATL weren't dissed on "The Chronic," that's really anybody's guess.  It could be that at first, neither record label thought the beef situation was going to escalate like it did.  After all, Snoop was reportedly on good terms with Above the Law (at least initially).  Dre was supposed to still be cool with Ren and Yella.  It may also have been because they were "borrowing" Above the Law's sound for their record.  Or maybe they heard about how ATL beat Ice Cube's ass, and that made them think twice.  It's hard to say, really. 
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 21, 2007, 02:02:09 AM
yo i just realized that somebody mentioned dre got his little handfold tat COVERED by the mr.cartoon stuff. the mystery continues.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: d-nice on July 21, 2007, 08:17:02 AM
Dope topic Tanj. This thread reminded me though that someone JACKED my BML so I am going to have to cop it again. I have been bumping Uncle Sam's Curse though for a bit. That is a nice album also.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 21, 2007, 09:03:11 AM
damn this thread has become 2 seperate topics

the issue of black mafia life and the creation of g-funk with dre and hutch

&

eazy and dres pentagram devil tattoo's

very good thread, great read

ps

i think its time to start an above the law movement similar to the dangerous crew movement,
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 21, 2007, 09:07:02 AM
damn this thread has become 2 seperate topics

the issue of black mafia life and the creation of g-funk with dre and hutch

&

eazy and dres pentagram devil tattoo's

very good thread, great read

ps

i think its time to start an above the law movement similar to the dangerous crew movement,

also the first usage of the word g funk

a)Pac on BML
b) ATL on BML
c) DR camp on Let Me Ride G-Funk remix

all in 93^^

I'm down for that movement but I'ma change my shit to support hillary clinton for a minute, then it's on.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dexter on July 21, 2007, 10:01:45 AM
I rather have a classic chronic then have a unknown good album........ wiggers yall dont know what went down behind close doors so all you can do is speculate
true
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on July 21, 2007, 10:10:38 AM
I rather have a classic chronic then have a unknown good album........ wiggers yall dont know what went down behind close doors so all you can do is speculate
true

noone's trying to put BML above the chronic, we're just speaking on the likeliness of conceptual groundwork being worked on by all involved parties pre-DR exodus.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 21, 2007, 10:51:23 AM
ruthless is sitting on a goldmine of released and unreleased shit
id love to see them bang out some compilations like deathrow does of there classic shit
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Mygla on July 21, 2007, 04:03:40 PM
Interesting topic... lots of new info from Shaka that I didn't know, props!, but (and I mean no offence) you do sound a lil' bit biased towards Eazy/Ruthless.


if you look at Chronic 2001 pics for the Cd, Booklet, the back cover of the booklet, Dre has no aforementioned Tats on his hands, and that was in 2000/2001.

try 1998/1999 Game ;)

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 21, 2007, 04:09:38 PM
Interesting topic... lots of new info from Shaka that I didn't know, props!, but (and I mean no offence) you do sound a lil' bit biased towards Eazy/Ruthless.


if you look at Chronic 2001 pics for the Cd, Booklet, the back cover of the booklet, Dre has no aforementioned Tats on his hands, and that was in 2000/2001.

try 1998/1999 Game ;)


^^
 8)
Oh Yeah, Playa!!
Was a bit confused, Props on clarifying the year!! ;D
+1
Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on July 21, 2007, 04:18:58 PM
i dont think no ones tryin to be biased, it is what it is
ppl have there own opinions on ruthless and deathrow

 i love the music both camps put out
but i like ruthless better, not sayin that i hate deathrow

on this topic people can sit and talk all day
at the end, it dont matter

both lables are preeety much dead or sleeping in ruthless's case

all we can do is just appreciate the hits
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Blu Lacez on July 21, 2007, 04:29:57 PM
i dont think no ones tryin to be biased, it is what it is
ppl have there own opinions on ruthless and deathrow

 i love the music both camps put out
but i like ruthless better, not sayin that i hate deathrow

on this topic people can sit and talk all day
at the end, it dont matter

both lables are preeety much dead or sleeping in ruthless's case

all we can do is just appreciate the hits

^^^
Dope, culda'nt have said it Better!!
Have a Prop!
+1
Blu!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: daWappla on November 02, 2007, 04:45:33 PM
^

Props and thanks for the scans, Iīm about to read them soon.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: 3331 on November 02, 2007, 05:42:10 PM
i wanna read them but i don't really want to read them scanned like that.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on November 03, 2007, 12:57:48 AM
damn you certainly have a lot of scans of interviews, nice  ;)

cold187 was certainly jealous. sure dre may have used similar samples, but it's not like he stole beats from 187. besides, black mafia life and the chronic weren't the first albums for which funk samples were used so; it doesn't matter who invented g-funk.

anyway, it's all about the final product, and i prefer the chronic over black mafia life. black mafia life sounds old in compared to the chronic; uncle sams curse was a better g-funk album than black mafia life imo(with outstanding tracks black superman and kalifornia 8). and cold187 made some dope beats for Ren on the villain in black as well, so it's not that i think that he's a bad producer, but hopefully for him, he's not jealous anymore.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 03, 2007, 04:51:19 AM
Itīs One Of The Classics We Love West Coast For.
Dre Stole Shit Back In The Days And Still Does.
"Who Been There, Who Done That" By J-Flexx Is Best Song About That Situation.
What You Mean ATL Put Pac On NWA-Tree?With One Feature?I See What You Sayin But..It Was One Feature.
Snoop Was Down With ATL Before The Chronic?Never Knew That.
What I Heard Is: Pac Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,So Was Kokane, Is That True?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 03, 2007, 06:32:24 AM
Snoop Was Down With ATL Before The Chronic? Never Knew That.

Check the bonus Snoop interview on Welcome to Death Row DVD for the full story.

What I Heard Is: Pac
Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,
So Was Kokane,Is That True?

Yep,get this this DVD;
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517QA77B91L._AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Tha-Westside-Mopreme/dp/B00006LPDN/ref=sr_1_7/104-1374017-3992708?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194099635&sr=1-7

Thereīs a long interview with Kokane,he talks about hanging with Pac in the Studio while NWA was recording Niggaz4Life.
Kokane appeared on the intro as Sweet Talk,his alter ego. Yo Kokane bring Sweet Talk back,we miss him.  :D

Thx 4 Tha Info.
I Had But I Lost It (W2DR DVD) Can You Tell Me What Snoop Says?

If Pac And Kane Were In THe Studio, Why They Didnīt Do Shit?(Esp. Pac?).
How Did He Get With NWA (In The Lab)?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on November 03, 2007, 06:38:52 AM
Itīs One Of The Classics We Love West Coast For.
Dre Stole Shit Back In The Days And Still Does.
what are you talking about? dre has switched his production style at least two times since he left death row.
maybe at death row some of the songwriters and producers didn't get proper credit, but that's not only dre's fault(have you forgotten how death row was started?). with aftermath everybody gets the credit(as far as i know) for what they've contributed to a song; i'm not sure if they get paid properly, but if dre really was a thief he'd probably be sued(the D.O.C.  death row issue was handled in court right?) .
the way i see it, a lot of people that dre has worked with in the past are jealous of his success. sure it may be cheap that he used similar samples as above the law did for black mafia life, but like i said before, dre and 187 are not the first ones to use such funk samples for their production, so if you call what dre did stealing, i guess you can call all producers who sample, thiefs.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 03, 2007, 07:20:42 AM
Snoop Was Down With ATL Before The Chronic? Never Knew That.

Check the bonus Snoop interview on Welcome to Death Row DVD for the full story.

What I Heard Is: Pac
Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,
So Was Kokane,Is That True?

Yep,get this this DVD;
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517QA77B91L._AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Tha-Westside-Mopreme/dp/B00006LPDN/ref=sr_1_7/104-1374017-3992708?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194099635&sr=1-7

Thereīs a long interview with Kokane,he talks about hanging with Pac in the Studio while NWA was recording Niggaz4Life.
Kokane appeared on the intro as Sweet Talk,his alter ego. Yo Kokane bring Sweet Talk back,we miss him.  :D

EDIT;
Hereīs the part where Kokane talks about hanging with pac while NWA recorded Niggaz4Life;
http://www.youtube.com/v/QW8NVoMHgl0&rel


Thx 4 Tha Info.
I Had But I Lost It (W2DR DVD) Can You Tell Me What Snoop Says?
If Pac And Kane Were In THe Studio,why They Didnīt Do Shit? (Esp. Pac?).
How Did He Get With NWA (In The Lab)?

Itīs too much for me,go and buy a new copy. Iīm sure your local outlet has it or google it.
I clearly wasnīt there so canīt answer how,why or what reason Pac was there.
But it would be only right to assume that since Black Mafia Life and Who Am I? (Dre mixed Kokaneīs Who Am I? album)
was recorded at the same time as Niggaz4Life in Audio Achivements studio in Torrance,(then again I can only assume) that Pac was there for his studio session with Above The Law for Black Mafia Life while Dre was working on Niggaz4Life in another room.
Itīs probably Shock G that introduced Pac to the Ruthless family while they was working on
"Weīre all in the same gang" and the track Shock G CO-Produced with Dre (TellinīTime).
If you ask about funk samples and the orgins of G-Funk,well this track is recorded in 1990 and is pretty similar to The Roach.
West Coast Rap All Stars - Tellin Time (Mikes Rap) (Prod By Dr. Dre & Shock G)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148897.0
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 03, 2007, 07:57:42 AM
Cold187 was certainly jealous. Sure Dre may have used similar samples,but it's not like he stole beats from 187.
Besides,Black Mafia Life and The Chronic weren't the first albums for which funk samples were used so;
it doesn't matter who invented g-funk.

I went and got this quote from a another thread. I canīt say it better;
But I do get what youīre saying,I just donīt agree with the popular belief how "G-funk" was "created". 
Cold 187um can bitch all he want,but it was a collective effort over time that lead to that sound.
Open letter to The Source Mag.about your reviews and ratings of West Coast
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=156779.25

Anyway,it's all about the final product,and I prefer The Chronic over Black Mafia Life.
Black Mafia Life sounds old in compared to The Chronic;
Uncle Sams Curse was a better G-Funk album than Black Mafia Life imo (with outstanding tracks Black Superman and Kalifornia 8).
And Cold187 made some dope beats for Ren on The Villain In Black as well,so it's not that i think that he's a bad producer,
but hopefully for him,he's not jealous anymore.

Not sure I get what you mean about that Black Mafia Life sounds "old",but the album is poorly mixed.
Who Am I? is made in the same time frame with the "same" sound,but you can hear how Cold 187umīs production came out clearer with Dreīs mixing. I love Black Mafia Life for the record,but itīs a way different record than The Chronic.
So what if they used some of the same samples? Both was creative with them and in my opinion they donīt sound the same.
I got to give it up to Cold 187um tho,for always making consistent albums when he produce them top to bottom.
The work he did for The Villian In Black was fire too.
I might go as far as saying thatīs Renīs best album,but thatīs a hard one since theyīre all dope exept Ruthless For Life.  :-X
I think Cold 187umīs grudge against Dre is more about the things surrounding their EPIC deal that lead to them getting dropped.
Itīs a shame the way it turned out,Iīm sure if they got together again they would cook up some dope shit.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on November 03, 2007, 08:18:44 AM
Cold187 was certainly jealous. Sure Dre may have used similar samples,but it's not like he stole beats from 187.
Besides,Black Mafia Life and The Chronic weren't the first albums for which funk samples were used so;
it doesn't matter who invented g-funk.

I went and got this quote from a another thread. I canīt say it better;
But I do get what youīre saying,I just donīt agree with the popular belief how "G-funk" was "created". 
Cold 187um can bitch all he want,but it was a collective effort over time that lead to that sound.
Open letter to The Source Mag.about your reviews and ratings of West Coast
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=156779.25

Anyway,it's all about the final product,and I prefer The Chronic over Black Mafia Life.
Black Mafia Life sounds old in compared to The Chronic;
Uncle Sams Curse was a better G-Funk album than Black Mafia Life imo (with outstanding tracks Black Superman and Kalifornia 8).
And Cold187 made some dope beats for Ren on The Villain In Black as well,so it's not that i think that he's a bad producer,
but hopefully for him,he's not jealous anymore.

Not sure I get what you mean about that Black Mafia Life sounds "old",but the album is poorly mixed.
Who Am I? is made in the same time frame with the "same" sound,but you can hear how Cold 187umīs production came out clearer with Dreīs mixing. I love Black Mafia Life for the record,but itīs a way different record than The Chronic.
So what if they used some of the same samples? Both was creative with them and in my opinion they donīt sound the same.
maybe the world old is not the right word, but i guess black mafia life wasn't mixed properly like you said; that's why i felt like black mafia life sounds "old" in compared to the chronic; uncle sam's curse sounds a lot better than black mafia life though. and i agree that the chronic sounds a lot different than black mafia life, only small parts sounds similar.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 03, 2007, 09:44:09 AM
Anyway,it's all about the final product,and I prefer The Chronic over Black Mafia Life.
Black Mafia Life sounds old in compared to The Chronic;

Not sure I get what you mean about that Black Mafia Life sounds "old",but the album is poorly mixed.
Who Am I? is made in the same time frame with the "same" sound,but you can hear how Cold 187umīs production came out clearer with Dreīs mixing. I love Black Mafia Life for the record,but itīs a way different record than The Chronic.
So what if they used some of the same samples? Both was creative with them and in my opinion they donīt sound the same.

Maybe the world old is not the right word,but I guess Black Mafia Life wasn't mixed properly like you said;
that's why i felt like Black Mafia Life sounds "old" in compared to The Chronic;
Uncle Sam's Curse sounds a lot better than Black Mafia Life though.
And i agree that The Chronic sounds a lot different than Black Mafia Life,only small parts sounds similar.

Uncle Samīs Curse and Black Mafia Life is two differnt records,
in my opinion Black Mafia Life is maybe closer to Niggaz4Life than The Chronic. (Not really,but you get what I mean?)
Itīs sounds more "gangster" than "g-funk" maybe thatīs why you think it sounds old?
The Black Mafia Life album was delayed for release due to the problems with EPIC,so from what I understand the record was done a couple of months after Niggaz4Lifeīs release. But as you know it didnīt get released before a year or so later.
But to compare Black Mafia Life and The Chronic because of use of some of the same samples is just hilarious.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on November 03, 2007, 10:00:32 AM
Uncle Samīs Curse and Black Mafia Life is two differnt records,
in my opinion Black Mafia Life is maybe closer to Niggaz4Life than The Chronic. (Not really,but you get what I mean?)
Itīs sounds more "gangster" than "g-funk" maybe thatīs why you think it sounds old?
The Black Mafia Life album was delayed for release due to the problems with EPIC,so from what I understand the record was done a couple of months after Niggaz4Lifeīs release. But as you know it didnīt get released before a year or so later.
yeah black mafia life sounds more like niggaz4life than the chronic(so it makes sense that it's from 1991), although the sound quality of niggaz4life is better imo( probably mixed better). but i'm not sure if i have listened to the OG release of niggaz4life or the remastered version ( i don't own the cd myself). it's just that the sound quality of black mafia life sounds similar to (rap) albums from the mid to late 80's. and black mafia life probably won't be remastered (anytime soon).

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 03, 2007, 11:34:57 AM
Uncle Samīs Curse and Black Mafia Life is two differnt records,
in my opinion Black Mafia Life is maybe closer to Niggaz4Life than The Chronic. (Not really,but you get what I mean?)
Itīs sounds more "gangster" than "g-funk" maybe thatīs why you think it sounds old?
The Black Mafia Life album was delayed for release due to the problems with EPIC,so from what I understand the record was done a couple of months after Niggaz4Lifeīs release. But as you know it didnīt get released before a year or so later.

yeah Black Mafia Life sounds more like Niggaz4Life than The Chronic (so it makes sense that it's from 1991),
although the sound quality of Niggaz4Life is better imo (probably mixed better).
But i'm not sure if i have listened to the OG release of Niggaz4Life or the remastered version
(i don't own the cd myself).
It's just that the sound quality of Black Mafia Life sounds similar to (rap) albums from the mid to late 80's.
And Black Mafia Life probably won't be remastered (anytime soon).

Thatīs why I mentioned Kokanesīs Who Am I? which Cold 187um produced and Dr.Dre mixed,
it was recorded around the same time as Niggaz4Life and Black Mafia Life.
You can hear a clear difference,much like Dogg Food (also mixed by Dre) and Daz work without Dreīs mixing.
Cold 187um clearly didnīt master the art of mixing at the time mixed Black Mafia Life. But the "ghetto" sound got itīs charm.  :laugh:
I think they have only remastred Niggaz4Life once and that was when they re-released it with the 100 Miles and runninīEP.
So..... I got the OG,can PM it to you if you donīt have that version,
I have not heard the remastered version,so canīt tell the difference.
Niggaz4Life is arguable Dreīs best work,shit is flawless.  :D
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on November 04, 2007, 08:44:32 AM
Itīs One Of The Classics We Love West Coast For.
Dre Stole Shit Back In The Days And Still Does.
"Who Been There, Who Done That" By J-Flexx Is Best Song About That Situation.
What You Mean ATL Put Pac On NWA-Tree?With One Feature?I See What You Sayin But..It Was One Feature.
Snoop Was Down With ATL Before The Chronic?Never Knew That.
What I Heard Is: Pac Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,So Was Kokane, Is That True?


Pac was down with ATL and his affiliation with the ruthless family was through ATL period point blank. PAC was managed By Lay Law and if you know who LAY Law was you would know that Law was a original N.W.A. member who started ATL. Law is all the early N.W.A videos on album covers in magazines etc. Law is also the brother of Go-mack who is a member of ATL. Thug life is Black mafia life one and the same clique


ATL put pac down on the tree period point blank. Aint no way around that if you listen to one of them pac songs and he  mentiones his  influences and he talks about public enemy and above the law as amerikas nightmares. Clown around when I hang with the underground but when I'm wit that mafia I'm droppin ya or whatever he says it right there.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 04, 2007, 09:04:59 AM
Itīs One Of The Classics We Love West Coast For.
Dre Stole Shit Back In The Days And Still Does.
"Who Been There, Who Done That" By J-Flexx Is Best Song About That Situation.
What You Mean ATL Put Pac On NWA-Tree?With One Feature?I See What You Sayin But..It Was One Feature.
Snoop Was Down With ATL Before The Chronic?Never Knew That.
What I Heard Is: Pac Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,So Was Kokane, Is That True?


Pac was down with ATL and his affiliation with the ruthless family was through ATL period point blank.
PAC was managed By Lay Law and if you know who LAY Law was you would know that Law was a original N.W.A. member who started ATL. Law is all the early N.W.A videos on album covers in magazines etc. Law is also the brother of Go-mack who is a member of ATL.
Thug life is Black mafia life one and the same clique
ATL put pac down on the tree period point blank. Aint no way around that if you listen to one of them pac songs and he  mentiones his  influences and he talks about public enemy and above the law as amerikas nightmares.
Clown around when I hang with the underground but when I'm wit that mafia I'm droppin ya or whatever he says it right there.

I have read some of your ATL posts before,you clearly got ledge on them.  ;)
In my post as you can read yourself I only assumed,how the fuck would I know? I wasnīt there  :laugh:
Are you connected with them?
Or where did you get this info,I have never read anything about this,if you only gained this info by reading,would be cool to get the source. (magazine,website etc...)
I think everyone knows who Lay Law is,fucking legend.
Even tho "no one" liked his album at the time,I must say I have always enjoyed his album.
Didnīt know he managed Pac?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on November 04, 2007, 09:31:52 AM
good to see you back shaka zulu , hows the project

if ATL could go back to the studio and drop a 2008 version of Uncle Sams Curse it would rip america a new asshole, all this war in iraq bullshit, 9/11, these fuckin retarded hicks downsouth hangin nooses. Alot of shit to talk about, basically all i want is a new Uncle Sams Curse.

But the problem probably would be is that there is no lable like Ruthless around no more, (even thou there still kickin it) that would support and have the balls to put a project like that.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 04, 2007, 09:41:43 AM
good to see you back shaka zulu , hows the project

if ATL could go back to the studio and drop a 2008 version of Uncle Sams Curse it would rip america a new asshole, all this war in iraq bullshit, 9/11, these fuckin retarded hicks downsouth hangin nooses. Alot of shit to talk about, basically all i want is a new Uncle Sams Curse.

But the problem probably would be is that there is no lable like Ruthless around no more, (even thou there still kickin it)
that would support and have the balls to put a project like that.


Paris would release it,,,,,,
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: EARNERTON! on November 07, 2007, 07:32:03 AM
Yeah Above The Law are bare underated, truss, there big
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 08, 2007, 10:14:35 AM
props homie.thx 4 puttin it all up.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha G In Deee on November 09, 2007, 03:47:49 PM
props homie.thx 4 puttin it all up.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 11, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
What I Heard Is:
Pac Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,So Was Kokane,Is That True?

YES!

Hereīs the part where Kokane talks about hanging with Pac while NWA recorded Niggaz4Life;
http://www.youtube.com/v/QW8NVoMHgl0&rel

This interview appears on the;
Tha Westside (2002) DVD
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517QA77B91L._AA240_.jpg)
you can order it from Amazon;
http://www.amazon.com/Tha-Westside-Mopreme/dp/B00006LPDN/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1374017-3992708?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194809015&sr=1-1
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on November 11, 2007, 12:44:55 PM
damn, some time i'ma have to read all this shit

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 11, 2007, 01:26:30 PM
thx 4 tha trhead.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 12, 2007, 01:22:11 PM
DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!
I COULD NEVER IMAGINE PAC WAS DOWN WITH NWA AND ATL.
WHY DID PAC NEVER SAY THAT?WHY DIDNT COLLABO WITH KANE?EAZY?
I MEAN, ITS TO FUCKIN HISTORICAL AND DOPE TO BE TRUE.I LOVE THEM ALL, DONT GIT ME WRONG BUT I THINK KANE IS TWISTING UP SOMETHING.E4Z WAS IN 1991!!!CīMON MAN.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 12, 2007, 02:09:34 PM
DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!
I COULD NEVER IMAGINE PAC WAS DOWN WITH NWA AND ATL.
WHY DID PAC NEVER SAY THAT?WHY DIDNT COLLABO WITH KANE? EAZY?
I MEAN, ITS TO FUCKIN HISTORICAL AND DOPE TO BE TRUE.
I LOVE THEM ALL, DONT GIT ME WRONG BUT I THINK KANE IS TWISTING UP SOMETHING.
E4Z WAS IN 1991!!!CīMON MAN.

Why do you say he is twisting things up?
Like it was impossible for Pac to know them guys at that time?
I still believe Shock G introduced Pac to the Rutless family,unless Shaka Zulu can come up with some credible information.
Dr.Dre and Eazy makes a cameo in the Same Song video from 1990,so that might be the first time they met(?).
Digital Underground - Same Song featuring 2Pac (Dre and Eazy appears around 02;00 and 02;55)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q2wua3bUWkc&rel


Kokane says later in the interview that he recorded a track with him 3 days before he got shot
http://www.youtube.com/v/XCc79_rSWyo&rel
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: ToOoOoN!!! on November 12, 2007, 02:20:08 PM
look what ive found on mtv :
Part of the post-N.W.A explosion of California gangsta rap, Above the Law came out of the eastern Los Angeles suburb of Pomona; leader Cold 187um, aka Big Hutch (born Gregory Hutchinson), was joined by KMG the Illustrator (born Kevin Dulley), Go Mack (born Arthur Goodman), and DJ Total K-Oss (born Anthony Stewart). Mixing '70s vintage funk and soul samples with live instrumentation (Hutchinson had studied jazz while in school), the group signed with Eazy-E's Ruthless Records and issued their debut album, Livin' Like Hustlers, in 1990; split into violence- and sex-themed sides, it was co-produced by Dr. Dre (prior to N.W.A's rancorous breakup) and received well in gangsta circles. The Vocally Pimpin' EP appeared in 1991, and the full-length follow-up, Black Mafia Life, was released in 1993. Go Mack left the group shortly thereafter, and Above the Law stuck with the trio format for their last Ruthless album, 1994's Uncle Sam's Curse, which featured greater contributions from KMG. Following Eazy-E's tragically sudden death, Above the Law left Ruthless for Tommy Boy, debuting in 1996 with Time Will Reveal; although the lyrics stuck with the group's well-worn gangsta themes, it demonstrated that Big Hutch's skills as a G-funk producer were becoming ever more polished. 1998's Legends kept the West Coast gangsta flame burning, but proved to be their last release on Tommy Boy; they formed their own label, West World, and struck a distribution deal with Street Solid for 1999's Forever: Rich Thugs. The same year, Big Hutch released his solo debut, Executive Decisions. In 2000, Big Hutch was recruited by Suge Knight to become the new house producer and musical director at Death Row Records, making it the new home of Above the Law as well. They recorded a new album called Diary of a Drug Dealer, but the release dates were continually pushed back while Big Hutch worked on production assignments, including the debut album by Crooked I; amid all the album delays, rumors began to circulate about the group's breakup. ~ Steve Huey, All Music Guide

is that true?? can anyone confirm this ?? crooked i on big hutch production ?!? that shit must be dope (if its true)

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on November 12, 2007, 05:20:16 PM
DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!
I COULD NEVER IMAGINE PAC WAS DOWN WITH NWA AND ATL.
WHY DID PAC NEVER SAY THAT?WHY DIDNT COLLABO WITH KANE?EAZY?
I MEAN, ITS TO FUCKIN HISTORICAL AND DOPE TO BE TRUE.I LOVE THEM ALL, DONT GIT ME WRONG BUT I THINK KANE IS TWISTING UP SOMETHING.E4Z WAS IN 1991!!!CīMON MAN.

Kokane left out many things and many occasions concerning tupac and his affiliation with the black mob. Pac was managed by lay law at one time, Pac was down with the mob at the time the mob was beefing with Death row during the ruthless versus death row war. When pac got out of jail the first people he sought were hutch and above the law. Big syke,mopreme and the thug life army were also close with the black mob before they got down with suge and the row.Pac would be the first person at the functions that ATL threw.Kokane did a few tunes with tupac that was supposed to be on his album ONE NATION,Thug life is black mafia life, like 62 east coast and 59 east coast are both coasts or 52 hoovers and 83 hoovers are all hoovers.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on November 12, 2007, 05:25:11 PM
its also been said that 2pac used to go to clubs, partys on the regular with Eazy E, MC Ren & even LL Cool J.

Imagine that..
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: annunaki on November 12, 2007, 05:34:12 PM
its also been said that 2pac used to go to clubs, partys on the regular with Eazy E, MC Ren & even LL Cool J.

Imagine that..
Don't know about LL cool J but Pac wasn't close with eazy or ren like he was with ATL
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 13, 2007, 05:55:57 AM
Quote
Digital Underground - Same Song featuring 2Pac (Dre and Eazy appears around 02;00 and 02;55)
thnks never knew this/never saw this lol.
pac wasnt down with the whole NWA tree, if i he would, he would give them shout-outs and have them and be on the the albums with them.plus goin 2 parties with eazy and them its all made up.just gangsta-rap hype.like 2pac and eazy, kinda teacher and pupil, goin 2 parties and all that, some internet rumours pac didnt even saw eazy before or after "call it what you want"!!!!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 13, 2007, 07:19:55 AM
Quote
Digital Underground - Same Song featuring 2Pac (Dre and Eazy appears around 02;00 and 02;55)

thnks never knew this/never saw this lol.

pac wasnt down with the whole NWA tree, if i he would, he would give them shout-outs and have them and be on the the albums with them. plus goin 2 parties with eazy and them its all made up.
just gangsta-rap hype.
like 2pac and eazy, kinda teacher and pupil, goin 2 parties and all that,
some internet rumours pac didnt even saw eazy before or after "call it what you want"!!!!


"We" obviosly wasnīt there so "we" canīt tell what went down or not,letīs just go by the information we have been given.
The Kokane interview about the track they did is posted above....
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on November 13, 2007, 10:15:27 AM
someone correct me if im wrong but i think it was an interview with Bobcat, not sure thou, and he said that 2pac was around them fellas from ruthless, used to party, go to clubs.

this has been a dope thread, we need an interview with ATL
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on November 13, 2007, 10:29:34 AM
someone correct me if im wrong but i think it was an interview with Bobcat,
not sure thou,
and he said that 2pac was around them fellas from Ruthless,used to party and go to clubs.

I think youīre right.
I went to www.RAPTALK.net to find the Bobcat interview
so I could post that part of the interview in here but I couldnīt find it(?)
Styles whereīs the BobCat interview?
Did you take it down?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on December 10, 2007, 11:03:27 AM
ima check out the bobcat inteerview.

who e.v.e?

dope articles.

nuff respect.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: DJSpin on December 17, 2007, 08:57:14 AM
excellent read!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D~Nice on January 06, 2008, 05:07:20 PM
Man Chad I am going to have to dust off my Source and Rap Pages collection. This was one of my favorites thread, lot of knowledge and history dropped in here.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D~Nice on January 06, 2008, 08:29:38 PM
Man Chad I am going to have to dust off my Source and Rap Pages collection. This was one of my favorites thread, lot of knowledge and history dropped in here.

yeah,I got to re-read all of the interviews Iīve upped myself.
I havenīt read them since they came out....
but I got SOOOOOOO much shit,will finnish up my magazines then move on to my video collection.
Iīve recorded Hip Hop related shit since 84,so believe I got some shit....  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I have alot of my mags still but I did not take good care of alot of them. Wish I had, alot of history in them.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on January 06, 2008, 08:47:39 PM
Man Chad I am going to have to dust off my Source and Rap Pages collection. This was one of my favorites thread, lot of knowledge and history dropped in here.

yeah,I got to re-read all of the interviews Iīve upped myself.
I havenīt read them since they came out....
but I got SOOOOOOO much shit,will finnish up my magazines then move on to my video collection.
Iīve recorded Hip Hop related shit since 84,so believe I got some shit....  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I have alot of my mags still but I did not take good care of alot of them. Wish I had, alot of history in them.

Me too,when I stopped collecting them around 95.
I started to buy mags more random,The Source fell the fuck off when all the writers left.
Rap Pages was always a little eeeehhhh,but the hired a couple of the cats that left The Source,
so the picked up for while before the went out of business.
Hip Hop Connection was always kind of wak,but they went from wak to REALLY REALLY wak around 92.
So when the mags went shit,I treated them like shit too.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I read the mags while taking a bath,as is pretty evident by some of the scans.  ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh:
I still support Murder Dog,Allan S. Gordon from The Source and Rap Pages write for them now.
He knows his shit. Matt Sonzala from www.houstonsoreal.blogspot.com write for them too....
Speaking off him and Houston,I got some sad news for you;
Quote
It's True...RIP O.G. STYLE
http://houstonsoreal.blogspot.com/2008/01/its-true-rip-og-style.html
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/95/81/c949224b9da00ad4577ab010._AA240_.L.jpg)

It's true. It hath been confirmed. O.G. Style passed on to his next life yesterday night. I don't have a lot of details, but word is he was not feeling well Wednesday night and so his wife took him to the hospital where they discovered his blood pressure was quite high and his brain had begun to hemmorage. He flatlined a couple of times and went brain dead, but his wife kept him on life support until his family could come to the hospital and say their goodbyes.

O.G. Style may have only had one big hit, "Catch 'Em Slippin'," (though many would call it I KNOW HOW TO PLAY 'EM), but he continued to work and record and release music till the day he died. His was one of the first full length releases on Rap-A-Lot Records and while he may have never reached the levels of his contemporaries in the Geto Boys, he was none the less an influence and a pioneer on this here Houston scene.

He was also one of the artists in this community that I considered a friend. We didn't hang out and play ball and have dinners and shit, but when we talked I always felt like this was one of the better dudes that I had met throughout my journeys in this shit. He was always hustling his music and trying to change the game. He will be sorely missed.

He was preceeded in death by his early partner, Big Boss of the group 4 Deep. Big Boss can be seen pictured on the cover of his first album. Which led me, and many people to believe early on that O.G. Style was a group, not a groundbreaking solo MC.

Anyway y'all, dude was a legend. I know we are all still trippin' hard off the deaths of Pimp C and Big Moe, now we have this to ponder.

Everytime someone close to me passes it makes me sit back and think about myself. I have two beautiful daughters and a wife who need their daddy/husband. What can I do to ensure that I can keep my health in tact and stay alive to see my grandchildren? When I hear about dudes having heart attacks and high blood pressure, sure I think about the drugs and things, but O.G. Style never seemed to be that type of dude. To me, I have seen STRESS take a deeper toll on my friends and family than any drugs ever have. I've seen pork and red meat cause strokes and heart disease, and all these processed foods. I'm not saying these things about O.G. Style, I'm just saying in general, this is what I think about.

I've been driving back and forth to Austin a lot in the past couple months and in doing so I have stopped at my share of Whataburgers and taco joints and such. For a long time I pretty much didn't eat any fast food, but you know, when yer on the road, sometimes you gotta stop and get whatever is cheap and fast and can be eaten whilst driving. All I can think about now, besides just mourning the death of a good friend, is what a pig I have been over these past couple months and how I need to get my shit together and start paying attention.

Oh yeah, wait, I'm in Austin now, I guess that means I'm a vegan. AustinSurreal coming this week. And no, I'm not a vegan, I'm way too weak for that. All these friends and legends dying aren't making me any stronger.

REST IN PEACE O.G. STYLE! Listen to the Drum and Kick the Ballistics my brother.


If you donīt have the album you know where to find it.... ;)
Damn,there seems to be a curse on Houston Hip Hop scene  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D~Nice on January 06, 2008, 08:50:38 PM
I need to get that on a disc. I have it on cassette I think. Damn I did not even know he died. RIP.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D~Nice on January 06, 2008, 08:58:54 PM
I need to get that on a disc. I have it on cassette I think. Damn I did not even know he died. RIP.

It happent a couple of days ago,there ainīt that many "old" RAL fans in here so I didnīt bother to post it.
Youīre one the few dubCC members that would care  :-\....
Anyway if the link is dead let me know and Iīll re-up it for you.....

Aight hit me on pm. HUS won't show for me yet.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: AboveTheLaw on January 07, 2008, 03:59:24 AM
Fucking major props chad, these ATL scans are much appreciated
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: BJv on January 09, 2008, 03:27:47 PM
the B-FLAT thing?

They mentioned the key of b-flat on Kokane's first album (Who Am I? Addictive Hiphop Muzick), I dont remember exactly in what context I'm gonna have to take a listen again sometime.

One of George Clinton's favourite albums, or so Ive read is Sly & The Family Stone's Fresh, Im also heavily into that album especially the alternate version of that shit. I saw an interview with Sly Stone from '73 or '74 where he was talking about the problems he had, he joked "I had trouble handling a b-flat there for a while".

How much funk music is played in b-flat? I play myself, I dont think I ever did anything in the key of b-flat but Im gonna check that out then :P

Oh and speaking on that first Kokane album, that has some g-funkish beats on it too, but I think that album was produced by Lay Law
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on January 09, 2008, 03:43:29 PM
the B-FLAT thing?

They mentioned the key of b-flat on Kokane's first album
(Who Am I? Addictive Hiphop Muzick),
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/3f/26/bed7b220dca0eb01c59a6010._AA240_.L.jpg)
I dont remember exactly in what context I'm gonna have to take a listen again sometime.

One of George Clinton's favourite albums, or so Ive read is Sly & The Family Stone's Fresh, Im also heavily into that album especially the alternate version of that shit. I saw an interview with Sly Stone from '73 or '74 where he was talking about the problems he had, he joked "I had trouble handling a b-flat there for a while".

How much funk music is played in b-flat? I play myself, I dont think I ever did anything in the key of b-flat but Im gonna check that out then :P

can you scan or copy and paste the interview if itīs online?  ;)

Oh and speaking on that first Kokane album, that has some g-funkish beats on it too, but I think that album was produced by Lay Law


Itīs produced by Cold 187,mixed by Dr.Dre.
Indeed a dope album,also my favorite Kokane album.
In one of the interviews I posted,Cold 187 claims Dr.Dre stole concepts for Niggaz4Life from the
Who Am I? Addictive Hiphop Muzick album.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/3f/26/bed7b220dca0eb01c59a6010._AA240_.L.jpg)
4 used & new available from $10.93
http://www.amazon.com/Addictive-Hip-Hop-Muzick-Who/dp/B000008MA7/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1199921951&sr=8-1

Credits;
Quote
Who Am I? - Addictive Hip Hop Muzick Label:   Epic
http://www.discogs.com/release/507573

Bass, Guitar - Stan Jones
Co-producer - Above The Law
Co-producer, Vocals - Lay Law
Engineer - Donovan Smith (2) , Mark "The Don" Paladino
Keyboards, Mixed By, Producer, Vocals, Programmed By - Cold 187um
Mixed By - Dr. Dre
Vocals - DJ K-oss , Funkette , Go Mack , KMG , Lillian (3) , Ms. Kilo , Sweet Talk , Tha New Funkateers
Notes:   Executive Producers: Eric "Eazy-E" Wright & Laylaw
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: BJv on January 09, 2008, 04:07:56 PM
Im looking at the booklet now I dont know why I thought Lay Law did it, although he mustve been involved.

the interview.. I got it on bootleg DVD could probably rip that segment if youre interested, he gets interviewed and then does a live song on piano.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on January 09, 2008, 04:17:56 PM
Im looking at the booklet now I dont know why I thought Lay Law did it, although he mustve been involved.

He was involved,got to look at the booklet myself....
But I believe he might have mixed the album together with Dre.....


the interview.. I got it on bootleg DVD could probably rip that segment if youre interested, he gets interviewed and then does a live song on piano.

^^^^would be dope^^^^ ;)
By the way how do you do that?
I need a (MAC) program for that.  ;)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: BJv on January 10, 2008, 11:42:01 AM
I use winavi to convert dvd .vob files to avi. Just search for dvd to avi mac software.

Listening to the Kokane album now, the intro is similar to Snoop Doggs bathtub intro too. Its funny cause they used Sly & The Family Stone samples on this album too. Heres that interview, notice where Prince jacked his style from  ;): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2GTDAJCB I got a couple where Sly Stone & Richard Pryor are on together, they used to hang around back in the day, this is when Pryor just got big everything he says is pure comedy gold. I wish I had more footage of Funkadelic/Parliament live or on tv shows.

G-Funk was just in the air around Ruthless back then, Kokane and ATL are dope but The Chronic is more mainstream accessible. I think that we also shouldnt underestimate The D.O.C.'s creative input, he left Ruthless with Dre. I don't think Hutch ever had the same focus and big goal in mind like Dre did, he was just making dope music there wasn't a bigger picture. In some ways Uncle Sam's Curse is actually kind of like the Fresh of g-funk. Funk can get happy and corny sounding real quick if you dont do it right but these 2 albums have a very dark sound while still being funky.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on January 10, 2008, 02:52:56 PM
I use winavi to convert dvd .vob files to avi. Just search for dvd to avi mac software.

Listening to the Kokane album now, the intro is similar to Snoop Doggs bathtub intro too.

Sure their ideas bounced back and forth.
To use the same samples ainīt biting,if itīs flipped the same way,then thatīs another case.
The creation of Gangster shit and G-funk was a collective effort.
Colin Wolfe,Chris "The Glove" Taylor,Mike Sims etc. damn they all pitched in.
But do you see them bitching? No,but cats that GOT ears and READ the credits know.

Its funny cause they used Sly & The Family Stone samples on this album too. Heres that interview, notice where Prince jacked his style from  ;):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2GTDAJCB
I got a couple where Sly Stone & Richard Pryor are on together, they used to hang around back in the day,
this is when Pryor just got big everything he says is pure comedy gold.
I wish I had more footage of Funkadelic/Parliament live or on tv shows.

Will download it now,sounds mad dope  ;)
 also thanx for the tips will google it now.
Richard Pryor is the SHIT!!!!

G-Funk was just in the air around Ruthless back then, Kokane and ATL are dope but The Chronic is more mainstream accessible.
I think that we also shouldnt underestimate The D.O.C.'s creative input, he left Ruthless with Dre.

True,unlike those other cats that like to claim credits for bringing
Dre samples and maybe open their big mouth while Dre is working,
true fans can see trough the bullshit tho.
Thereīs a big difference between getting the much deserved credits and claiming this or that.
Action speaks louder than words

I don't think Hutch ever had the same focus and big goal in mind like Dre did,
he was just making dope music there wasn't a bigger picture.
In some ways Uncle Sam's Curse is actually kind of like the Fresh of g-funk.
Funk can get happy and corny sounding real quick if you dont do it right but these
2 albums have a very dark sound while still being funky.

ohhh yeah,Dre got the gift,he made gangster rap pop.
If thatīs a good thing or not can be argued to death.  :P
Allan S. Gordon former writer for The Source and Rap Pages,
that write for Murder Dog now,wrote a piece on how The Chronic fucked up Gangster rap.
I will post this piece when I come by it in here.  ;)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on January 12, 2008, 06:08:37 AM
True,unlike those other cats that like to claim credits for bringing
Dre samples and maybe open their big mouth while Dre is working,
true fans can see trough the bullshit tho.
Thereīs a big difference between getting the much deserved credits and claiming this or that.
Action speaks louder than words

I don't think Hutch ever had the same focus and big goal in mind like Dre did,
he was just making dope music there wasn't a bigger picture.
In some ways Uncle Sam's Curse is actually kind of like the Fresh of g-funk.
Funk can get happy and corny sounding real quick if you dont do it right but these
2 albums have a very dark sound while still being funky.

ohhh yeah,Dre got the gift,he made gangster rap pop.
good points chad; the credits issue keeps popping up frequently ( on the forum, in interviews etc.)  ;)

yeah Dre is mainly responsible for bringing gangsta rap/G-funk music into mainstream. while you can't really hear any signs of G-funk is his productions nowadays; i think the last real signs of g-funk were on the 2001 album. i'm not saying that it's a bad thing, but it's just funny how things change over time.
Warren G has switched his production style a few times as well, yet you can still hear signs of g-funk in some of his recent productions.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on January 13, 2008, 03:49:21 AM
True,unlike those other cats that like to claim credits for bringing
Dre samples and maybe open their big mouth while Dre is working,
true fans can see trough the bullshit tho.
Thereīs a big difference between getting the much deserved credits and claiming this or that.
Action speaks louder than words

I don't think Hutch ever had the same focus and big goal in mind like Dre did,
he was just making dope music there wasn't a bigger picture.
In some ways Uncle Sam's Curse is actually kind of like the Fresh of g-funk.
Funk can get happy and corny sounding real quick if you dont do it right but these
2 albums have a very dark sound while still being funky.

ohhh yeah,Dre got the gift,he made gangster rap pop.
good points chad; the credits issue keeps popping up frequently ( on the forum, in interviews etc.)  ;)

The credits,the credits.... how about READING the credits in the booklets,how about useing your ears?
Action Speaks louder than words.....
Speaking of action,how about some words from the shit talkers themself.

Above The Law and Eazy-E interview on WBLS NYC 1990
http://www.youtube.com/v/_cdmPt5NrSg&rel
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: GunMaster G-9 on January 17, 2008, 09:30:25 PM
i listen to black mafia life it is ok. as for sayin dr dre ripped the whole theme from atl.... he might have or might not have but he did a much better job in the sampling he did.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on January 17, 2008, 11:27:37 PM
MC Eiht and Cold 187-geah.mp3 - 5.61MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/6529079763a44c/)

^^^^^^Prop Smegma for this one^^^^^
Cold187 2008!!!!!!

whats the name of the track?is it "geah"?
where is it from?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on January 18, 2008, 03:04:43 AM
it has the melody of "breathin OG" by pac and bizzy bone (bone was added later).dunno who did the beat.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: GATMAN on January 18, 2008, 06:35:20 AM
classic  8)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dclee on January 28, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Damn, thanks for all these interviews Chad, lots of nice info. But in the Above The Law interview in Rap Pages May 1998, they mention an NWA tribute in the February issue of that year. do you have that issue, and if so, could you post up the NWA tribute if it ain't too much trouble? that would be awesome, unless it was already posted and i missed it.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on January 28, 2008, 10:53:42 PM
From the pm's i'm gettin i think a lot of people are interessted in this track. Hutch's first group, pre-above the law.

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9616/wizzardsofrockxv2.jpg)

http://rapidshare.com/files/87314995/Wizzards_of_Rock_-_Good_Thang.mp3.html
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dclee on January 28, 2008, 10:56:42 PM
wasn't Dirty Red part of that too?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 01, 2008, 03:01:41 AM
3 NEW mc eiht tracks
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=165807.0
MC Eiht and Cold 187-geah.mp3 - 5.61MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/6529079763a44c/)

^^^^^^Prop Smegma for this one^^^^^
Cold187 2008!!!!!!
MC Eiht and Cold 187-geah.mp3 - 5.61MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/6529079763a44c/)

^^^^^^Prop Smegma for this one^^^^^
Cold187 2008!!!!!!

whats the name of the track?is it "geah"?
where is it from?


^^^^
Eith posted on his myspace last week,smegma ripped them. That's all the info I got.
But the beat is interesting,Nate sings over the same beat in a 93. (on the westside dvd). I'll upload it later.
I have always assumed it was unreleased Dre beat,since it was from that era.


From the pm's i'm gettin i think a lot of people are interessted in this track. Hutch's first group, pre-above the law.

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9616/wizzardsofrockxv2.jpg)

http://rapidshare.com/files/87314995/Wizzards_of_Rock_-_Good_Thang.mp3.html

Nice hook up man... appriciate it.


I jacked this from;
Big Hutch is back
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=167528.0
Check his myspace, a couple of dope new tracks from his new album "Fresh Out The Pen Vol.1"
http://www.myspace.com/cold187umreloaded

Here's another new track
http://www.myspace.com/gfernardtheboss


Nice!

Here's the track from the 2nd myspace posted...

cold_187um-long_over_do.mp3 - 5.94MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/6955609793e1b2/)

I like this song! :)



Here are the four tracks that are on his myspace:
http://rapidshare.com/files/88281058/cold187um.zip.html


Don't forget to shoot me a link if you get your hands on the mixtape! :)

^^^^^^
Prop Dirdee and Smegma for the hook ups  ;)



UPDATED
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on February 02, 2008, 12:59:16 PM
those new 187 tracks sound dope, g-funk is still part of his sound.

to those who are still stuck in the 90's, this is for you  :laugh:
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: HEC on February 03, 2008, 11:23:21 AM
just want to add my 2 cents in and say that Black Mafia Life is a slept on classic(commercially). I know that real westcoast rap fans know about it but I don't remember the numbers it did if it even went gold or not but this album is a must have
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 03, 2008, 11:35:10 AM
But in the Above The Law interview in Rap Pages May 1998,they mention an NWA tribute in the February issue of that year. do you have that issue,and if so, could you post up the NWA tribute if it ain't too much trouble? that would be awesome,unless it was already posted and i missed it.

you can find  scans of the "tribute" right here;
NWA interviews,reviews etc.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=131032.50



just want to add my 2 cents in and say that Black Mafia Life is a slept on classic (commercially).
I know that real westcoast rap fans know about it but I don't remember the numbers it did if it even went gold or not but this album is a must have

According to this article;
NWA Reunion? in Rap Pages February 1998
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=131032.50
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It sold 375.067 copies.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: HEC on February 03, 2008, 11:38:45 AM
thanks Chad looks like their sales were pretty conistent, that's what having a solid fanbase will do
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dclee on February 03, 2008, 02:43:56 PM
wasn't Dirty Red part of that too?

-where did you get that info?


on his website www.ogdirtyred.com, that wizzards of rock album was listed under his discography, and i've heard that he was good friends with Big Hutch. Currently, the website doesn't show that info, but i remember a few months back it looked different.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 03, 2008, 11:07:47 PM
wasn't Dirty Red part of that too?

-where did you get that info?


on his website
www.ogdirtyred.com ,
that wizzards of rock album was listed under his discography,
and i've heard that he was good friends with Big Hutch.
Currently,the website doesn't show that info,
but i remember a few months back it looked different.

Thanx,nice info.
Something to remember to ask them about if there will another dubCNN interview with Cold 187um and/or Dirty Red.
Has Dirty Red released a solo album and/or mix-tape?
I would appriciate a hook up is so.
Thanx.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on February 06, 2008, 09:52:29 AM
Chad, i love what ya doin!!! Unfortunately some of the interviews are hard to read :(

Anyways, check this out...

KMG is muthaf****in back too!!!!!!!


http://www.myspace.com/calikushcartel

(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1104/kmgnv7.jpg)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 06, 2008, 09:55:16 AM
Chad, i love what ya doin!!! Unfortunately some of the interviews are hard to read :(

Tell me which ones that needs to be re-scanned and Iīll look into it ok  ;)
PM me those KMG joints..... damn weīre finally getting our ATL fix on  :D.
Who is those cats they talk about in the last interview?
-Black Unda Yaī
-Mad Harv Dog
-Jack Move
? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on February 06, 2008, 10:04:18 AM
I'll check it out and holla at you, thanks!!

I'm doin an interview with hutch (for www.ugrap.de) but i already sent him the questions, so i can't ask about those dudes... But i added that questions bout the members of wizzards of rock ;)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on February 06, 2008, 10:09:04 AM
Np, i'm just working on the tracks. Gonna send you the questions too if you're interested.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on February 09, 2008, 10:13:34 AM
Coo, thx!!!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 21, 2008, 05:33:16 AM
Above The Law interviews;


Hereīs a interesting AboveThe Law interview.
-Cold 187um claims Dre stole concepts for Niggaz4Life from Kokaneīs; Who Am i? album. (produced by Cold 187um)
-Talk about a track called "Donīt Come to the hood"
-And of course all the drama around Black Mafia Life and The Chronic.

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Above The Law interview in Murder Dog Vol.9 Number.3 Xzibit cover
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Cold 187um interview Rap Pages June 99. Eminem cover
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Above The Law interview 4080 Hip Hop Magazine NO.19,December 1994. Paris cover
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Above The Law interview XXL #3 Dīanglo cover1
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Above The Law interview Rime magazine # 4 Snoop Dogg cover.jpg
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Above The Law interview in The Source March 1993 # 42,Naughty By Nature cover
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Above The Law interview in Hip Hop Connection August 1990. # 19 Ice Cube cover
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Above The Law interview in The Source October 1994 NO.61
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Above The Law interview in Rap Pages May 1998
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Above The Law 1 interview in The Source April 1998 NO.103
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237 Above The Law 1 interview in The Source June 1996 NO.81
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301 Above The Law interview in Rap Pages August 1996
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I jacked this from Nima  ;).
We might as well collect all the interviews here,so post all the online interviews you can find here.  ;)

Quote
Big Hutch aka Cold 187um  (February 2008) | Interview By: Nima
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bighutch08/
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Dubcnn: We're right here with Big Hutch from Above The Law, how you doing man?

It's all good man, just trying to stay afloat, trying to stay on solid ground, what's going on?


Dubcnn: You've been away for a minute, the last time we spoke was in 2004. Do you want to take a minute to speak on what happened?

Yeah, I was indicted by the federal government for drug trafficking, and I decided to go on, sit down and pay my debt to society, as most would say. So I mean that's it in a short form and the grand scheme of things. Sometimes you make a wrong turn, and it doesn't turn out in your favor.


Dubcnn: So you know, everybody wants to know what's the status of Above The Law right now?

Right now we're recording a new record, writing a bunch of songs, producing, trying to get that flavor back again. We've probably been recording for about 3 months now, and we've also been doing shows, we were on the road with Snoop Dogg, we were on the road with WC, Xzibit. We've been trying to get our rhythm back, get back exposed. We also have the "Greatest Hits" album coming out in May that we're preparing for, it's set up around the 20 year anniversary of Ruthless Records, it's coming out on Ruthless Records. We're also doing a "Greatest Videos" along with that, it's a box set. Basically we're just coming up with the right flavor, the right chemistry, we haven't been together for a couple of years due to the federal government. *laughs* Due to my vacation away we haven't been together, so we're just getting that swag back man.


Dubcnn: How would you say that your time in prison changed the way that you carry yourself now or make music?

Personally, the way I make music didn't change. I think it made me appreciate what I was doing. I was away in a few facilities where we didn't really have music programs, and what we did have, we wouldn't even consider it being music programs, so I was kind of in a whole other element, I was outside of my own element as far as making music. So it made me appreciate it more, and coming home now I'm like a kid in the candy store again, I'm 19 again! So it's a beautiful thing, that part of it alone gave me that fire again.

Now my focus is kind of like when I was first making records. I think that's the most I got out of it, I got more into myself, my spirituality, I'm more grounded, focused with God, my God sense is really strong now, I feel more focused on the long term aspect of things rather than the short term aspects, as far as the industry is concerned, as far as being an executive/artist/producer. My outlook on it is different because my spirituality is stronger, I can sense things that normally I would have looked over. Now little small tedious things don't bother me, but things that are really loud and apparent, they bother me and have to immediately be asserted and fixed.

Before, I might have just passed through it. When you're removed from your situation, and they throw you into another life, what happens to you is that you start differentiating and dissecting that particular situation, and thinking "What was the good things, what was the bad things?" Then you weigh all those things out. When I got back into my career, that's the things that I noticed was different about me when I came home.


Dubcnn: So now that you're back, what can we expect from you?

You're definitely going to get the raw raw raw, cause right now that's what the game needs. Right now everything is so commercialized, Hip-Hop is in a situation where everything is really really loud, nothing is intimate and focused like on a personal level. There has to be a balance, which is what I'm trying to bring it. To where it can be entertaining, enlightening, heartfelt, you can gain something from it as well! That's where my focus is at musically. When you get the new Above The Law record and you get all these underground projects that I'm involved with, that's what you're gonna get: the raw essence of what our Hip-Hop used to be, with a new flip to it.

Right now I'm working on a project called Cold 187um "Fresh Out The Pen", which will be dropping in the middle of March. I'm featuring a lot of up and coming artists that are in the underground on the West Coast, and I'm featuring a section on my album where I host nothing but new artists on it. It's gonna be an endless amount of volumes that are gonna come out from this "Fresh Out The Pen" project, the first volume is going to be my album, featuring these new cats coming out on the West Coast, or anywhere else. I'm trying to establish a pipeline for a new underground presence out here. Right now, if you got a record deal then you on, if not then it's nothing, you're at your house, beating on a drum and writing in the corner! Or you're on MySpace... But it's no industry.

Me, I came up through Eazy! With Eazy, when he created Ruthless, it enabled us to take our record to him and say "We think we're dope, what do you think?" And he thought it was dope, and put us out! You don't have that on the West Coast anymore, you don't have a pipeline where people can say "Who's dope? Who's wack? Who's alright?" Everything is "Oh such and such signed to Bad Boy, or Cash Money, or whatever." Then you start knowing about them, versus them already having a presence, emerging up out of the West, so that when people come out here and ask "Who's the Top 10 rappers coming out that's hot on the streets?" You don't have that anymore! So I'm creating that essence through the Cold 187um "Fresh Out The Pen" mix CD's.


Dubcnn: Is G-Funk still a factor in 2008?

I think so! I mean, the reason why is, it's just gangsta shit and funk! So of course. As long as you're doing it and you're vibing like that, I think so, because music is timeless! Like for instance, people ask "Is this relevant, is that relevant?" If the guys that created it and innovated it are still doing it, then of course! That's like saying "Is Rolls Royce relevant?" It just has to have that twist on it. I don't only do G-Funk, I do a lot of other funky shit! But, the whole thing about it is that, people wanna know where I'm at with it at this stage of my career, and they might want to hear that. So for me to predict what you might like is wrong, because still like what you liked before, as a consumer. You got to always feed them the flavors and then sprinkle new flavors also.


Dubcnn: Would you consider switching up your style to appeal to what's hot right now?

I want everybody to understand one thing. When I first started off making records, I didn't really make records to appeal to what people were doing at the time. I came up in an industry where there was no industry, so me I don't really know how to do that. All I know is, my music comes from God and I translate it to you guys, I don't know how to jump on a fad and say "Now I'm gonna be popular because I'm on a fad!" I don't know how to do that when I go to the studio, all I know is what my heart tells me to do. What God translates for me to write, that's really all I know. The spirit moves me, I don't listen to the radio all day and say "I'm gonna make a song like that but I'm gonna put my twist on it." I don't know how to do that. I couldn't even tell you what I would make by doing it.

Now, can I make a record that's a club record that reflects Above The Law? Yeah! Can I make a record that can be catchy like Ay Bay Bay but it's done by Above The Law? Yeah! But I can't make a record LIKE that. You feel me? I have to make a record that appeals to you, that's the theory of what I've already done. If it's a G-Funk stylish record, all I have to do is make it catchy and trendy like a Ay Bay Bay, but it has to have the essence of G-Funk. I can't mimic anybody because I'm self-made, my group is self-made, we came with our own style. If you listen to "Livin' Like Hustlers" and you listen to "Straight Outta Compton", it doesn't sound the same, you feel me? We don't know how to do that. N.W.A. were our G's, so if we weren't imitating them, why would we imitate somebody now? Because today's music is yesterday's music, you got cats doing throwback tracks all day long, and saying "Hey that's the new style!" "No, it was the style in '88!" I'm just keeping it real. So would me being myself be keeping up? Probably. So let's just keep it 100 homie!


Dubcnn: What equipment do you use right now and how has it changed over the years?

Right now I use the Motif 8, I still use the MPC3000, the Proteus, Planet Phatt, and we use Pro Tools of course for everything now. I don't think the gear changes that much, it's more your theory that changes. The only thing that's changed is the way I record. We don't record on A-Dat anymore but as far as the regular gear that we use, same board, cause all of them have the same thing. I still use vintage stuff, I use moogs and stuff like that through soundfiles and different stuff like that, but I primarily like to touch the boards, I don't know to do this computer shit that people do. I like to have my hands on the boards, you know? I don't get into gear, cause I don't think gear makes the music, I think you make the music.

As far as writing, I write everything from a piano now, melodies come, they come off a piano, and then I translate them. Like let's say for instance I want to go to this sound module, I use the Neko (Open Lab), the same kind of gear that Timbaland used on Justin Timberlake, so as far as gear I've touched the 8000, I've probably touched every new piece of equipment in the past 7 months, but honestly it does the same thing, it just translates it differently. Vibewise, it's the same, it doesn't change, it's still dark, it's still funky, it's still raw. And writing is writing, so...


Dubcnn: How deeply would you say you were influences by the musical background of your family?

Oh, deeply! Everything, how I bring harmonies, melody, dark rhythms, all that is from my uncle and my dad. All that is from them. Most of the strings, horns you hear, is because of them, it's because of the way I grew up. I'm deeply influenced by that. Now that they've passed and everything, it's really heavy for me because I don't really have that "check this out! what you think about this?" I don't have the taste testers! *laughs* I don't have that stamp of approval situation. I don't have that voice anymore, I know they're up in heaven looking down, but I don't have that. It's funny, because it's because more a part of my life now, than it was when they were here, because they were doing their thing too. My dad was doing gospel and my uncle was still touring and stuff. I had my thing going on too, so we'd always come together and meet up, but now I don't have that anymore. With them passing, the flavor is still with me, always, everyday.


Dubcnn: Looking back at your career, which moves do you wish you would have done differently?

Man, that's big... That's a good question! I wouldn't have involved myself in a situation with somebody who ended up having me sent to prison. *laughs* Nah, but I mean, I don't have any regrets. I was fortunate to be signed to Eazy-E and Dr. Dre when I was a very young cat in the game. The turning point of my career was probably when I went to Death Row. I don't regret doing that, because I ended up learning so much about the game, being an executive at Death Row, but in it, I wish I could have been more a front runner for Death Row more than I was. I thought it was a great label, it was a great situation for me, we had some great talent over there, and leaving Death Row was one of the harder decisions I had to make. So it was a situation where we just weren't getting ahead.

And I'll tell you, the only thing I would have done differently, is that I would've done the independent thing sooner, that's it. The only regret that I have is that I put my label on pause and went to help run Death Row. Because when I started West World, I had a good focus on the game, we had just left Tommy Boy, and if I would have just focused on my label, I think we would have been a stronger force in the game.


Dubcnn: Are you still in contact with Suge Knight?

I haven't talked to him lately, but I talked to him when I first got home.


Dubcnn: What's the relationship there?

It's cool! It is what it is. Everybody out here in L.A. is doing their own thing but it ain't no love lost, no beef or nothing. Everybody's trying to do their thang.


Dubcnn: Do people still ask you the question who really invented G-Funk?

*laughs* Yeah, they do! It's funny, cause people know who invented G-Funk! The people who ask me, they're telling me "You invented it!" *laughs* They know the history. But yeah, the thing about it is that I don't even live off that. It's just that I've done something, I've influenced somebody, and I wanted my credit for that influence. I innovated a certain sound in this industry and people don't give me credit for it. People just look over me, people don't even put me in nothing, even if that person don't put me in nothing, knowingly that enough people know the true story, for you guys to print that. It's bad in that sense, not to say that "The person who took it is wack for taking it" No. Music is influence, when we click together we all influence each other. That's a compliment.

If I do something good and you utilize it and you come up, that's a compliment. What's messed up, is when you don't give that person the credit, when you don't pay homage to that person. It's like learning a skill from somebody and saying you made it up, and not giving your teacher the proper credit. That's my problem with it. It's not even about this person doing something with it and winning from it, it's only about "give me my credit, give me my just due." I worked hard coming up with a theory and an idea to be different than everybody else, you know what I mean?


Dubcnn: Do you have a relationship with Dr. Dre?

No, I'm not in contact with Dr. Dre at all. Not that it's a issue or whatever, but I could give a shit, because nobody give a shit about me. I'ma keep it real with you. I don't have any contact, any situation, nor do I desire to even be in contact with somebody like that, who don't have no love for me, basically. You know what I mean? It's sad, because I'm the type of guy who would give you my last, I help you, you ask me things, I help you. Do you think anybody gave a fuck about me when I got out of prison? No! For real, I'm just gonna keep it real.

This is my first interview, it's gonna be the realest. But no, I don't have a relationship with him, we don't talk, we don't compare notes, none of that. And this is a person that was once close to me and basically taught me everything I know as far as making records. My dad and my uncle taught me how to write music, but he taught me how to make records, how to put it on tape, how to EQ, mix and everything. That was my teacher man. It's funny, cause we don't have a personal relationship, we don't have a working relationship, we don't have anything.


Dubcnn: What about Kokane, can we expect to hear you with Kokane?

Oh yeah, definitely, he's working with us on our new album. He's actually working on his own album right now too.


Dubcnn: He just got out of jail too, right?

Uh huh. Yeah he caught a few months, but he's alright, he's on solid ground and he's doing good. We took a break for about three weeks, and then we're going back in, back on the new album.


Dubcnn: So let's get back to the present, what you like the future of Above The Law to be like?

Oh man, we are working on taking Above The Law to the next level. Basically, we're getting into a lot of the mass media stuff, as far as bringing Above The Law raw straight to your living room, we got the merchandizing company that we're working with, we're writing a book, man! Just next level, we're trying to take it to the next level. We've been underground so long, and it's funny because a lot of the things we were doing on the underground, it's commercial now. The thugging and the hustling, getting money on records, moving big weight on records, doing all this talk about the struggle and all that, that's all commercialized now, so we're just keep on doing what we're doing. The new record is definitely going to be controversial, so be ready for that.


Dubcnn: The other day you were telling me something about how the West Coast shouldn't trying to imitate what's hot, or something like that?

Yeah, you gotta realize. West Coast, we created our own industry, basically. Like for instance, the early records that came out from the West Coast, were straight hood records, that blew up to be household or to be in the mainstream in other words. What we're saying is, we never had to do that. A lot of these people who are doing records, they look at it like pop music. Not that that's a bad thing, don't get me wrong, I don't want nobody to misunderstand what I'm sayin' cause I'm very assertable with my conversation here. When you look at pop music, everyone makes dance records, that's how pop music is.

When you look at Hip-Hop, it's about individuality, it's about your theory. If you were a kid from the Bronx, you could know what kids in Compton are doing. If you were a cat from Jersey you could know what these cats are doing in Pomona. That's what it allowed us to do. If I start rapping like I'm from Baton Rouge, but I'm from Pomona, how special is it anymore? You dig? That's where the flaw is. I hear a lot of people saying shit like "Oh this is wack, I'm tired of this bullshit." It's not that, it's just that it's lost its sensationalism. It's because people aren't doing things that reflect them right on their block.

That's what always intrigued people about Hip-Hop, that's what always lured people to Hip-Hop, more so than anything. I'm not just talking about West Coast Hip-Hop I'm talking about any kind of Hip-Hop. If you listen to a Too Short record, it takes you to the Bay, you feel me? If you heard a KRS One record or any East Coast record, they would put you in their borough, they would put you in their project! You feel me? That's what we're missing now! Now it's like "Okay, I'ma leave my projects and I ain't gonna talk about my projects, Ima act like I'm from Uptown Project and Magnolia Projects now, so I'ma make the song like this. We're losing that, and we'll lose Hip-Hop if we don't wake up, if we keep doing that.

People think it's cool but you gotta realize you got a lot of these number crunchers that's running the industry now. They're not music people. Understand me very very clearly! We need to get these people out of these positions, that don't know music! This is the music business, we're not selling Tide Soap! It's gonna kill our industry! Because they're gonna influence everybody to do the same thing that the next person is doing to be successful. So if anybody out there can understand me, I'm not a hater. I love what everybody is doing, I don't care because it's their expression. I'm not knocking no guys from the South, I'm not knocking East Coast cats. They do what they do. But don't expect me to imitate you guys, cause you guys are doing what you doing. Just respect what I do!

The thing about the West Coast in general is, we're here with open arms! We accept what cats are doing in the South, we accept what cats are doing on the East Coast. Why when I come to ya'll market, ya'll shunning me? We're open arms, the West Coast is open arms. Why I gotta act like you when I get down there in order for you to play me? You don't have to make a West Coast mix to get played on L.A. radio! Why I gotta make a South mix to get played in the South? Why? Somebody come and answer me that question! It's like eating food! If you Spanish, when I go over to your house I don't wanna eat fried chicken, I eat that at home! If I come to your house I wanna eat Mexican food! You feel me? Because no one ever looks at it like that, you know why? Because everybody is in the cipher. They're not stepping out of the cipher and looking in like "Why does everybody that's rapping look the same in there? What's going on? Why aren't there different flavors?" You feel me?


Dubcnn: Who are you feeling though, righ now?

Let me see... You know who I really like, who doesn't really get a lot of shine? Rick Ross. I like Rick Ross, because he seems to be true to where he's from. I don't see trends in him. I see him really giving me his environment down there in Miami, you feel me? I like a lot of these other cats, I like Jeezy, T.I., but to me, a lot of records that they're doing are what I was talking about, they're cater records. They're raw, but to me I like stuff where you can feel where they're from in their records. Right now I bump a lot of Pimp C and all that kind of stuff, any of the UGK stuff. Of course Scarface's new record. Of course, I'ma bump all the G's, but new cats I would say Rick Ross, because he's giving me that. On the East Coast, I liked Jay-Z's last record, new cats I don't really know. I like Nas' last record.

As far as the West Coast is concerned, I like Glasses Malone, he has a good record out. That's primarily it. There's not a lot of new stuff. I like the records Lil Wayne has made, but I'm not so for gone that I can't let him breathe, it's not like "Oh my goodness". To me, it's like I'ma give you a fair one, I ain't gonna hate on you or anything, I'll be like "do your work man, stay focused man, but don't get caught up into that. Because your next record could be your worst record." I like his records because they become more than "on the block" records, they become relevant to a lot of different things.


Dubcnn: It is a lot of new West Coast cats, you just gotta look a little deeper.

Oh no don't get me wrong! A lot of these new West Coast cats is gonna be on my tape, I was just saying cats that's out! It's a lot of cats.


Dubcnn: Who are you looking out for?

Someone who's got a hot record that he's working on right now is Jayo Felony, he got a hot record. I've worked on the record, I've heard about 80% of it, it's hot as a muthafucka. I think the kid Bishop Lamont is good, he's good. Of course, Crooked I, definitely.


Dubcnn: You been hearing those Hip-Hop Weekly's?

Yeah! Yeah, he's... Come on man, he should be that guy, right now. But, you know how it go! *laughs* You know how it goes out here on this end. Give me a break. Slim The Mobster, that kid that's on Aftermath. Don't get me wrong, this is just studio stuff that I'm hearing, I'm hearing some real deal shit going down. So don't get me wrong, I thought you asked me like "what's on the cuff right now", you know? But yeah it's a lot of artists on the come up, my goodness! I just hope they give us a break man. I'ma say it, and they can look it up: DJ's out here are not giving us a break man. DJ's in L.A. are not giving us a break. I don't know if ya'll from somewhere else and just don't give a fuck, but you need to give us a break man, or get broke off! For real, cause it's gonna be some problems man in the future. These guys are good, you need to give them a break! Besides my record coming out, you need to give THEM a break man! You know what I'm saying? WC had a great record, give him a break! Give him a break.


Dubcnn: That's real.

Go 'head, breathe on it man, whatever you wanna know, talk to me, ask me something good man! *laughs*


Dubcnn: Shit I mean the conversation when talking about west Cosat rap is always so negative, you know?

Well, the thing about it is that I'm one of those guys that understand that we don't have to do nothing else but us. You hear all these guys saying "We need to do this, we need to do that". But guess what, they ain't even doing it! You feel me? That's what the problem is. I'm not gonna sit up here and complain, I'm gonna sit up here and make a change. I'm not gonna complain, cause complaining ain't no solution to me. With any problem homie that you're having in life, there's a solution to it. You just gotta think hard, figure out what the whole get down is, and then go pursue it. I believe in movement, if I don't get up and do something to make a difference, then it's my fault that the West Coast is fucked. Cause I'm a G. And I'ma breathe on it if it's the truth, that's how we do in P-Town.

You got people like Dr. Dre, who invest in different people from other markets, not taking anything away from these people, they're very talented, but he won't invest into the West Coast! You leave it to where Above The Law gotta get a independent deal, DJ Quik gotta get a independent deal, WC gotta get a independent deal, when we could be in a major setting, and working up under your umbrella! And we're all self contained, to where we could pave the way for new artists, it wouldn't even be on him! You feel me? But if we can't get up in the grand scheme of things, where do we end up at? We still end up doing what we did in 1989, my man! Still scraping to get in the industry again! You know?

Cause if Dr. Dre, the "King of it all, the big boss", ain't saying that it's all to the good, it really ain't to the good nowhere else! Unless we create that following on the ground level. Where that comes from, is us giving the streets, shaking hands, kissing babies, passing out our CD's, giving it to people, and saying "This is what we're trying to attempt to do. Create a market out here." Without it we won't have anything. So if anybody wanna put a negative spin on something, tell the truth first! Because that's what's going to help you get the solution. Don't get into "You need to do this, because that's played out", because they're doing the same thing we were doing years ago! So if what we were doing years ago is played out, then okay, how are we to display what we're trying to do now, if no one wants to support it? How are you even gonna see if we're doing anything, if no one wants to support it?

If it's in the hands of Dr. Dre, and you know that Dr. Dre isn't gonna support it, well then get past that! You feel me? Don't get caught up in the "Aw he won't help us so we'll give up!" Get past it! It's cool! I said it, it's cool, he ain't helping us! I ain't mad at him! I hope Detox sells 20 million records! But if he ain't helping me, why do I gotta sit up and campaign what he does? Why can't I come out and campaign what I do? You feel me? I should start washing cars at a car wash cause he won't help me put a record out? Man I was born in the music! I was writing songs before I even knew Dr. Dre! I probably was making music before he thought he could do music! So I'm supposed to give up? No! He's a man! So where does my faith lie, in him? No, my faith lies in God, so I roll with that. I advise everybody out here to do that, believe in that, and you'll be successful. Other than that, you're gonna worry yourself and you ain't gonna have nothing.

That's the only negative thing I could say on the West Coast. All of these guys who are in big positions have rolled in the sunset. I said it, Cold187um Big Hutch from Above The law said it, ya'll muthafuckas done rolled in the sunset on everybody. Fuck it! It ain't finna make no difference homie. Me saying, and you thinking it, ain't finna make no difference. So ya'll go out and support West Coast Hip-Hop, because Dre ain't finna help West Coast Hip-Hop get on point, you guys are! The people reading this article is the people who are going to get West Coast Hip-Hop back on point. Not Dr. Dre. Cause he's not going to help West Coast Hip-Hop. You guys built it, and you don't even have a voice anymore! Ya'll gotta imitate like ya'll from somewhere else now, ya'll don't even have your own essence anymore! The people don't even have a voice on the West Coast anymore, because they're forced to act like they're from somewhere else now! So if ya'll waiting for us to get signed by Dr. Dre or Puffy to jump out and start Bad Boy West, it ain't gonna happen! Just support these guys out here getting grimy in the streets, and support their stuff, and the West Coast will come back around! Other than that, it will never happen. Cause those people are not going to do it.


Dubcnn: That's some real talk.

Yeah homie, it's real. It's real to me.


Dubcnn: I can't wait to hear that Above The Law record, you sound like you got some shit to say!

I got a whole lot to say. When I hit you with the "Fresh Out The Pen" stuff, then you're gonna really hear some crazy crazy.


Dubcnn: Who can we expect to hear on there?

On "Fresh Out The Pen" you got Crooked I, I'm working out something with Bishop Lamont, I got a couple of new cats coming up out of San Diego, this kid called Syko, he's dope, I got a group coming out of San Diego, Frank Nitty will be on there. I got an artist coming out on my label his name is Hazmatic. It's a lot of cats on there. It's also another group coming out called the Cali Boyz. You know them?


Dubcnn: Yeah they're affiliated with South Central Cartel, I've been in the studio with them.

Yeah they're nice, they got a song on my mix CD coming out. To me they're one of the hottest groups coming out. Like I said check for my artist Hazmatic. But I'm still getting music for it, I'm in the middle of it as we speak, so for me to talk about it is kind of hard. Oh yeah 40 Glocc is on there, Chill from CMW. I got a few cats from the Mid-West that's down with Tech N9ne. Rich The Factor, a few cats from the Mid-West that's die hard real deal West Coast go getters. I'm bridging the gap with that too, cause the Mid-West has always been real supportive of West Coast music, St. Louis, Detroit, KC, Cincinnati, Cleveland and all that. They have a big following for the West Coast. You'll feel it, I'll get a copy to you. I'm in the process of getting all the music submitted to me right now.


Dubcnn: Man, I think we covered pretty much everything, is there anything else you'd like to let everybody know?

We talked about everything, it's all good. I'm home! It's a problem man! *laughs* I'm home, for real! Let it be known, I'm a problem right now man. I'm a wreck but I ain't nervous about it, you feel me! *laughs* I'm the real deal right now. Just look out. I also got a movie coming out this summer, an independent movie called "Mind, Body & Soul". I got a fashion apparel company coming out also. Above The Law is also closing a deal right now to do a tour in Germany in May, so we'll be over there heavy, between May and June. I think I covered everything now! *laughs*


327 Above The Law interview in Rap Sheet October 1994
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329 kokane interview in Rap Sheet October 1994
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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 24, 2008, 07:37:13 PM
I jacked this from;
Above The Law - Rap City Video Interview 1996 (4 Parts)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=170671.0;topicseen
http://www.zshare.net/video/79758951438a90/
http://www.zshare.net/video/7977136da57a93/
http://www.zshare.net/video/7977955aa80908/
http://www.zshare.net/video/7978302a9bbe81/
enjoy!  8)


^^^^^prop FunkBrothersInc for this hook up  ;)^^^

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on February 26, 2008, 02:25:44 PM
Above The Law reviews;


Did this get realeased or leak?
It's a review for it in Rap Pages august 97,Big Mike cover.
From what a gather from the review it features Madd Harv Dog & E.V.E on 5 tracks.
The review is written by Kirk Queenan.

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Review Rap Pages August 97

Above The Law presents...
Crime Files consists of various artists,who collectively decided to follow the norm of substituting bomb-ass bangin' beats for lyrical supremacy. Track after track,with the exeption of a few,the message is repeated over and over; the story about how the hail of hollow points leaves your shit wide open has been narration by too many rappers,coroners and morticians. But,for the underground heads who love the finest of ganster cuts,this is a keeper. ATL caters to and strokes the egos of the strong and creates bitches of the weak at heart. The fattest tracks,however,belong to Mad Harv Dog and E.V.E. Harv extenuates the pussy-footin' around that some so-called gangster rapppers are tryin' to the forefront. With cuts like Rest Your Neck and Full Time,Harv pillages the subconsious and coerces the act of doin' dumb shit. It doesn't matter if your thumpin' in a hoopty or sumthin' plush,you're talkin' this shit on the chin.
Contrastively,E.V.E provides the remedy that makes this album worth buying by adding a well need lady's touch to a "five outta ten" cut album. Her smooth-ass style and iconoclastic lyrics-she lets a brotha know from the git-go that GOD created her to improve on man--clearly articulate her intension to have a stranglehold on the game for years to come. On her cut,Wake Me Up,she shows and proves her dexterity by relishing her sexy-ass voice to the hook: If you give me a minute to make you understand,then wake me up.
If your looking for some true underground shit to strongarm your ass from the neck up,Crime Files will choke the shit outta ya.

-Kirk "Chocolate" Queenan-

300 Above The Law; Crime Files review in Rap Pages August 1997
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Above The Law; LivinīLike Hustlers review Hip Hop Connection July 1990 NO.18
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Above The Law; Legends review Hip Hop Connection April 1998 NO.111
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Kokane review The Source May 1994 NO.56
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Above The Law; Uncle samīs Curse review in The Source august 1994 NO.59
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Above The Law; Legends review in Rap Pages March 1998
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Above The Law; Legends review in The Source April 1998 NO.103
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250 Above The Law; Time Will Reveal review in The Source September 1996 NO.84
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Damn,looks like I got to re-scan that one ^^^^ :-\ :P

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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: LodiDodi on February 26, 2008, 10:05:35 PM
Didn't EfiL4ZaggiN come out before Black Mafia Life?  I'd have to say N.W.A.'s follow up was more of a precursor to The Chronic, Alwayz Into Somethin alone showed what kind of direction Dre was headed in with his sound.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on February 27, 2008, 12:15:51 AM
Didn't EfiL4ZaggiN come out before Black Mafia Life?  I'd have to say N.W.A.'s follow up was more of a precursor to The Chronic, Alwayz Into Somethin alone showed what kind of direction Dre was headed in with his sound.

yep, black mafia life was even released after the chronic  ;)

but yeah, the point of this thread was to show that the g-funk sound creation was a collective effort unlike some of 187's claims (including recent ones  ::) )
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on February 27, 2008, 08:15:08 AM
but yeah, the point of this thread was to show that the g-funk sound creation was a collective effort unlike some of 187's claims (including recent ones  ::) )

A collective effort fo sure but G-funk wasn't just a sound it was a way of doing music it was a life style within the music it was a movement. It wasn't just a beat or a replay of a funkadelic record,Hutch came up with the term as well as the funk to go with the term. The term g-gunk that warren G talks about was put on him by 187um,the term G-funk that snoop used was put on him by 187um.

More than just a sound it was amovement that warren g,snoop dogg and dre didn't give hutch his props from. That's the argument, it ain't that dre came with Dre Day it's them using the ideas for themselves and not acknowledging others who contributed more to the movement then themselves.

well:

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Dubcnn: Do people still ask you the question who really invented G-Funk?
So what do he want Dre to do,after all that shit heīs been saying?
Dre has NEVER as far as I can remember claimed he has invented G-Funk,
show me a interview that quotes Dre saying this and Iīll keep my big mouth shut  :P :laugh: :-X

187 didn't invent g-funk by himself, as i've said a couple of times before ( even in this topic). and yes, g-funk is not just a production style.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: HEC on February 27, 2008, 09:53:25 AM
I believe that it was a collaborative effort between Dre, Hutch and maybe a few others who "invented" the sound, certainly not Hutch himself no disrespect to him because I love his production and check for it whenever I can, but he is way off with his claims
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: villain on March 17, 2008, 04:18:07 PM
dope song
very original beat. gets you hyped up. cant wait to hear some more.
i was really feelin that one new track by hutch, when you on top. that was some dope shit.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: The Predator on May 13, 2008, 08:22:32 PM
Can we get a re-up of that 187 - 'May the force be with u', please?
Just heard it on his myspace, shit is cosmic.

That other new tune from 187 'Preach', on second listen im slowly getting in the groove of it.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on May 14, 2008, 05:25:07 AM
dope song
very original beat.
gets you hyped up

It's samples the Imperial March by John Williams.
Ya-Boy has also used it. Should be a good party starter at their shows.

Imperial March DJ REMIX!
http://www.youtube.com/v/3N3-Fs_0L-M&hl=en





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Track is called PREACH and its dope as fuck...check it out yall!!!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6w72zd


^^^^ new track ^^^
prop FunkBrothersInc  ;) ;) ;)




Can we get a re-up of that 187 - 'May the force be with u', please?
Just heard it on his myspace, shit is cosmic.
That other new tune from 187 'Preach', on second listen im slowly getting in the groove of it.



may the force be with u.mp3  Dre-dayīs rip.... much clearer than the Mackin4Life version
link deleted by request  ;) :P
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on May 16, 2008, 03:20:54 AM
i don't like it (force) that much, but pray is dope. can't wait for the album...
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on May 21, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
i don't like preach; don't like the vibe  :P

based on what we've heard so far i suspect the album will turn out to be a disappointment for me  :P
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on May 21, 2008, 09:25:33 AM
i don't like preach; don't like the vibe  :P
based on what we've heard so far i suspect the album will turn out to be a disappointment for me  :P

I was a little unsure about both May the force be with you and Preach at first.
But both is in heavy rotation at the moment.  ;)
So give it (them) a chance,they might grow on you  ;).


there are more tracks available, get your facts straight  :laugh:

may the force be with u is not that bad; just a bit repetitive
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on May 21, 2008, 09:38:05 AM
there are more tracks available, get your facts straight  :laugh:

my comment was a respond to this;  ;)
i don't like preach; don't like the vibe  :P

As far 187umīs new album,I hope he will suprise me....
Back to the quality he was droppin up to 98. (Living Like Hustlers all the way up to Legends).

ok my bad then  ;)

anyway, don't count on it  ;)
it would be great if he could top his other two soloalbums though.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Tanjential on June 04, 2008, 08:53:41 PM
What up Chad. Props.
I'll be back more intensely after next week (Finals).

Had a thought I wanted to modify and add onto:


       Dre's previous work on a contextual level was still definitely building up to The Chronic which makes me think perhaps that even if Dre didn't take the album outline of BML/Chronic, he would have definitely done something of that type and on that level of quality. It is quite  serendipitous that ATL came up with such a cool outline but Dre would have done something along those lines regardless of ATL's very good contributions to the evolution that led to The Chronic, it's companion albums (efil4zaggin, doggystyle), and G-Funk.

-T
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D-Stress on June 25, 2008, 03:57:17 AM
Cold187,Erotic-D,Warren G,Daz,Sean Barney Thomas,Sam Sneed,J-Flexx,Budīdah=Dr.Dre
Dre Is A Product.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D-Stress on June 29, 2008, 04:28:53 AM
Somebody Change The Thread-Title It Should Be Called: Official Above The Law Thread.
Title: The official Above The Law thread *interviews,reviews,audio etc.
Post by: ruthless95rip on June 29, 2008, 08:45:40 PM
Somebody Change The Thread-Title It Should Be Called: Official Above The Law Thread.

Agree  ;)
Tanji  ;)
The official Above The Law thread *interviews,reviews,audio etc.*

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: dirdee on July 02, 2008, 09:48:21 PM
this is the source issue that features hutch

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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on July 05, 2008, 03:26:38 AM
I jacked this from ruthless95rip so prop him  ;)
Cold187um Fresh Out the Pen (Concert footage)
http://www.youtube.com/v/9H2DebqHezE&hl=en
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9H2DebqHezE
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 19, 2008, 08:14:02 AM

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LOL at the ad (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif)

maybe 187 should write a book about how he invented it  8)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: G-Funk on July 19, 2008, 08:24:24 AM
Maybe I missed somethin, but lots consider "Alwayz into Somethin" dre's early work of g-funk, and this was released 1991, when NWA was still a group, how come ATL didn't argue that he stole their concept than?
sorry if this has been acknowledged already, i dont feel like readin this whole thread lol
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D-Stress on July 19, 2008, 09:57:26 AM
this thread still goin on?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 19, 2008, 10:01:41 AM
this thread still goin on?

nope that's just an illusion  ;)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on July 19, 2008, 10:11:35 AM
Maybe I missed somethin, but lots consider "Alwayz into Somethin" dre's early work of g-funk,
and this was released 1991, when NWA was still a group, how come ATL didn't argue that he stole their concept then?
sorry if this has been acknowledged already, i dont feel like readin this whole thread lol

Hereīs a interesting AboveThe Law interview.
-Cold 187um claims Dre stole concepts for Niggaz4Life from Kokaneīs; Who Am i? album. (produced by Cold 187um)
-Talk about a track called "Donīt Come to the hood"
-And of course all the drama around Black Mafia Life and The Chronic.

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Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 21, 2008, 12:40:25 PM
i still find it strange that he got rid of the tracks he had on his page a couple of months ago :P
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 21, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
i still find it strange that he got rid of the tracks he had on his page a couple of months ago :P


His whole album has basicilly leaked already so you tell me  :P


maybe shaka zulu knows, since he's an insider
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Booz on July 21, 2008, 02:55:14 PM
Fuck. This is great thread, should read this from the first post to the last sometime. Cool scans too!
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: D-Stress on July 22, 2008, 12:58:13 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 27, 2008, 03:36:42 AM
when looking back at the dubcnn interview with hutch, i wonder if he's dissing Dre on any of the songs of the new album
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on July 28, 2008, 01:06:51 AM
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http://fuck-tha-muthaphukkin-police.blogspot.com/2008/06/givin-up-tha-real.html
4. Another crazy story about that Po' Broke and Lonely album is that the reason Eazy-E ended up releasing it is during the lawyer wars between Interscope and Ruthless, one of the arrangements for Dr. Dre leaving, he would have to turn in a final project and help with one song for Above The Law's Black Mafia Life album.
So Dre, to be a dick, turned in the Po' Broke and Lonely album with him promoting his knew label on the intro.
In turn, Eazy to be a dick back, bleeped that shit.
However, Dre got Ruthless at the end--check this out.
When Dre went to the studio to help with that Above The Law song,
Cold 187um made the mistake of letting Dre hear the whole album.
That's where 187 says Dr. Dre "stole" some ideas and he's got some pretty good proof.
If you listen to the Black Mafia Life album, there are 3-4 songs where Dre just happened to use the same sample
(including Let Me Ride, Rat-Tat-Tat-Tat, etc.).
Now if it was just a Scartch sample or something simple that was the same that's no problem,
but Dre basically used the same main loop of the songs.

One last thing is if you own the promo tape to the Black Mafia Life album,
the outro was originally titled The Chronic Outro. Listen to that track.


They are talking about smoking chronic--and remember 187 said in a interview that Snoop was about to sign with Above The Law, but Dre snatched him up.
That's why 187 was so hurt and let Dre have it on Kokane's song
Don't Bite The Phunk which is one of the best diss songs of all time.
As scary, crazy or however you may describe it as it may be,
187 basically predicted the future and the fall of Death Row when Death Row was on top.
But Dre made it up to Big Hutch.

Around the time Dre left Death Row to form Aftermath, he brought 187 in as a producer and,
believe it or not, 187 produced most of the first Eve album when she was first at
Aftermath around 97-98 along with Mel-Man.


? 187 had a production deal with Aftermath?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 28, 2008, 01:09:07 AM
not sure, i guess you need to check several hiphop sites and look for the gossip section ;)

by the way, Shaka Zulu, did you write this?
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on July 29, 2008, 12:36:11 AM
not sure, i guess you need to check several hiphop sites and look for the gossip section ;)

by the way, Shaka Zulu, did you write this?

 :P :laugh:

EVE worked with 187 so maybe..... ?

Quote
Review Rap Pages August 97

Above The Law presents...
Crime Files consists of various artists,who collectively decided to follow the norm of substituting bomb-ass bangin' beats for lyrical supremacy.
Track after track,with the exeption of a few,the message is repeated over and over; the story about how the hail of hollow points leaves your shit wide open has been narration by too many rappers,coroners and morticians. But,for the underground heads who love the finest of ganster cuts,this is a keeper. ATL caters to and strokes the egos of the strong and creates bitches of the weak at heart.
The fattest tracks,however,belong to Mad Harv Dog and E.V.E. Harv extenuates the pussy-footin' around that some so-called gangster rapppers are tryin' to the forefront. With cuts like Rest Your Neck and Full Time,Harv pillages the subconsious and coerces the act of doin' dumb shit. It doesn't matter if your thumpin' in a hoopty or sumthin' plush,you're talkin' this shit on the chin.
Contrastively,E.V.E provides the remedy that makes this album worth buying by adding a well need lady's touch to a "five outta ten" cut album. Her smooth-ass style and iconoclastic lyrics-she lets a brotha know from the git-go that GOD created her to improve on man--clearly articulate her intension to have a stranglehold on the game for years to come. On her cut,Wake Me Up,she shows and proves her dexterity by relishing her sexy-ass voice to the hook: If you give me a minute to make you understand,then wake me up.
If your looking for some true underground shit to strongarm your ass from the neck up,Crime Files will choke the shit outta ya.

-Kirk "Chocolate" Queenan-
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2244688568_82f6e4b051_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 29, 2008, 12:43:16 AM
not sure, i guess you need to check several hiphop sites and look for the gossip section ;)

by the way, Shaka Zulu, did you write this?

 :P :laugh:

EVE worked with 187 so maybe..... ?

Quote
Review Rap Pages August 97

Above The Law presents...
Crime Files consists of various artists,who collectively decided to follow the norm of substituting bomb-ass bangin' beats for lyrical supremacy.
Track after track,with the exeption of a few,the message is repeated over and over; the story about how the hail of hollow points leaves your shit wide open has been narration by too many rappers,coroners and morticians. But,for the underground heads who love the finest of ganster cuts,this is a keeper. ATL caters to and strokes the egos of the strong and creates bitches of the weak at heart.
The fattest tracks,however,belong to Mad Harv Dog and E.V.E. Harv extenuates the pussy-footin' around that some so-called gangster rapppers are tryin' to the forefront. With cuts like Rest Your Neck and Full Time,Harv pillages the subconsious and coerces the act of doin' dumb shit. It doesn't matter if your thumpin' in a hoopty or sumthin' plush,you're talkin' this shit on the chin.
Contrastively,E.V.E provides the remedy that makes this album worth buying by adding a well need lady's touch to a "five outta ten" cut album. Her smooth-ass style and iconoclastic lyrics-she lets a brotha know from the git-go that GOD created her to improve on man--clearly articulate her intension to have a stranglehold on the game for years to come. On her cut,Wake Me Up,she shows and proves her dexterity by relishing her sexy-ass voice to the hook: If you give me a minute to make you understand,then wake me up.
If your looking for some true underground shit to strongarm your ass from the neck up,Crime Files will choke the shit outta ya.

-Kirk "Chocolate" Queenan-
i didn't know that ( or forgot about it)  ;)

still, doesn't change anything from the story.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 29, 2008, 01:28:13 AM
not sure, i guess you need to check several hiphop sites and look for the gossip section ;)

by the way, Shaka Zulu, did you write this?

 :P :laugh:

EVE worked with 187 so maybe..... ?

Quote
Review Rap Pages August 97

Above The Law presents...
Crime Files consists of various artists,who collectively decided to follow the norm of substituting bomb-ass bangin' beats for lyrical supremacy.
Track after track,with the exeption of a few,the message is repeated over and over; the story about how the hail of hollow points leaves your shit wide open has been narration by too many rappers,coroners and morticians. But,for the underground heads who love the finest of ganster cuts,this is a keeper. ATL caters to and strokes the egos of the strong and creates bitches of the weak at heart.
The fattest tracks,however,belong to Mad Harv Dog and E.V.E. Harv extenuates the pussy-footin' around that some so-called gangster rapppers are tryin' to the forefront. With cuts like Rest Your Neck and Full Time,Harv pillages the subconsious and coerces the act of doin' dumb shit. It doesn't matter if your thumpin' in a hoopty or sumthin' plush,you're talkin' this shit on the chin.
Contrastively,E.V.E provides the remedy that makes this album worth buying by adding a well need lady's touch to a "five outta ten" cut album. Her smooth-ass style and iconoclastic lyrics-she lets a brotha know from the git-go that GOD created her to improve on man--clearly articulate her intension to have a stranglehold on the game for years to come. On her cut,Wake Me Up,she shows and proves her dexterity by relishing her sexy-ass voice to the hook: If you give me a minute to make you understand,then wake me up.
If your looking for some true underground shit to strongarm your ass from the neck up,Crime Files will choke the shit outta ya.

-Kirk "Chocolate" Queenan-
i didn't know that ( or forgot about it)  ;)

still, doesn't change anything from the story.


Strange that 187 never has mention this (to my knowledge),if there is some truth to what that blogger says.


if it was true, i'm sure we would have known this one way or the other
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 29, 2008, 09:13:48 AM
dre > atl
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 29, 2008, 06:04:26 PM
dre > atl


whatīs the point of that?
canīt both be dope?


sure

but you know what? this happens ALL the time

example:

Big L would have blown up with "MVP" but Biggie took the beat for a remix (the name of the song slips me because im baked)


Necro will never give out the name of the song he used to sample the classic Non Phixion song "Black Helicoptors" because he doesn't want anyone else sampling it.


everyone and their mama has sampled Whodini's "Friends", does it make them all biters of Whodini?  no not really.  just payin tribute to some dope-ass songs to sample.


in the end Dre and co. were the ones who revolutionized it


the tone of your post makes it sound like you prefer ATL over the CHronic
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on July 29, 2008, 06:42:23 PM
Dre > atl


what's the point of that?
can't both be dope?


sure
but you know what? this happens ALL the time
example:
Big L would have blown up with "MVP" but Biggie took the beat for a remix (the name of the song slips me because I'm baked)
Necro will never give out the name of the song he used to sample the classic
Non Phixion song "Black Helicopters" because he doesn't want anyone else sampling it.
everyone and their mama has sampled Whodini's "Friends",
does it make them all biters of Whodini?  no not really.  just payin tribute to some dope-ass songs to sample.
in the end Dre and co. were the ones who revolutionized it
the tone of your post makes it sound like you prefer ATL over the Chronic


did it?
I said both..... didn't I?  ;)
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Dre-Day on July 29, 2008, 11:24:05 PM
dre > atl


whatīs the point of that?
canīt both be dope?


sure

but you know what? this happens ALL the time

example:

Big L would have blown up with "MVP" but Biggie took the beat for a remix (the name of the song slips me because im baked)


Necro will never give out the name of the song he used to sample the classic Non Phixion song "Black Helicoptors" because he doesn't want anyone else sampling it.


everyone and their mama has sampled Whodini's "Friends", does it make them all biters of Whodini?  no not really.  just payin tribute to some dope-ass songs to sample.


in the end Dre and co. were the ones who revolutionized it


the tone of your post makes it sound like you prefer ATL over the CHronic

i didn't get that impression at all  :-\

then again, i was involved in the conversations of this topic  :P
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on August 05, 2008, 02:19:19 AM
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24 used & new available from $0.88
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The track featuring Cold 187um    (Jewel is also featured on this album)
Dance Floor (featuring Cold 187um aka Big Hutch from Above the Law).MP3
http://www.mediafire.com/?9dyg9m95llz

Cold187um
Fresh Out The Pen (The Album)
West World Records
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Credits;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185452.msg1894330#msg1894330

This title will be released on August 5, 2008.
http://www.amazon.com/Fresh-Out-Pen-Cold-187um/dp/B001BJ662A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1214737877&sr=8-1

Cold187um.com Officially up!
http://www.cold187um.com


Above_The_Law_Presents_Cold_187um-Fresh_Out_The_Pen-2008
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189317.0
The Official (EAZY-ECPT.COM) Cold187um "Fresh Out The Pen" CD REVIEW
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189396.0
Title: Re: The official Above The Law thread *interviews,reviews,audio etc.
Post by: Dre-Day on August 05, 2008, 03:22:33 AM
Somebody Change The Thread-Title It Should Be Called: Official Above The Law Thread.

Agree  ;)
Tanji  ;)
The official Above The Law thread *interviews,reviews,audio etc.*


^^^^^^^

yeah man wake up Tanji
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on August 05, 2008, 10:58:19 PM
Big Hutch interview @ HHDX
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/features/id.1188/title./p.all

Dividing his credits as both Big Hutch and Cold187um, Gregory Hutchinson, Jr. knows music.
He was the son of a Motown songwriter and nephew to Willie Hutch, who penned the UGK-reconsidered "I Choose You."
Since 1990, when Hutch, the producer and frontman for Above The Law learned the boards beside Dr. Dre,
he would go on to help pioneer G-Funk, and uphold Ruthless Records for the early and mid '90s,
before helming Death Row after Daz Dillinger left the label in 1999.

Just as Hip Hop has always been more than kicks and snares to Hutch,
his words, whether sociopolitical or hustler's anthems were dripping in non-fiction.
This poet tells it as only he knows it. After returning from a felony drug trafficking conviction,
Hutch, in his upper-thirties, admits that he's still evolving as a musician as well as a man.
And in a rap culture obsessed with street credibility and testifying on records, Cold187um says that his rap sheet garners attention for his raps.

Fans can get the wisdom of a rapper returning from prison, as so many in today's headlines seem to either be going, or avoiding it at last minute.
Big Hutch's Fresh Out The Pen isn't a gangsta pounding himself on the chest,
but a direct-speaking man who admits he loves making music today just as much as he did when the records were going gold.
This living, working, and jewel-dropping icon offers speaks about Above The Law's place in the game,
being the first to bring Tupac Shakur to Los Angeles, and how he feels about Crooked I's development to the mainstream.

Royal Crown, Hazmatic.

HipHopDX: “Fresh Out” is more musical than many people are used to in 2008 Hip Hop songs.
First off, for you as a musician, tell me about the kind of experimentation that a track like that allows you…
Big Hutch: It’s influenced by Blues. Me being a producer and an artist at the same time, as well as coming up in the Hip Hop era and being a musician,
I’m influenced by more than just a boom, a bap and a rap. I think the drums apply in Hip Hop;
I think you do need those elements in there, but I don’t think you have to limit yourself.
It’s all music at the end of the day. A lot of the Hip Hop I’m influenced by is early, mid and late ‘80s
– ‘cause I started making records in ’90, so for me, I’m influenced by that diversity in Hip Hop.
Music now in Hip Hop is very formulated, almost like Pop music.
When I was coming up, you had cats rappin’ to Jazz, to Funk, to Rock & Roll, and cats rappin’ to straight foot-snares and hi-hats.
That’s why I tend to think outside of the box, because of the era I came up in.

DX: 2Pac came out of jail and recorded All Eyez On Me in two weeks.
Given your own circumstances with incarceration, the lyrics and delivery on this song doesn’t sound angry, but it does sound pent up.
So much to say, and just three minutes to say it…
Big Hutch: Exactly. That song is not written; that’s just me off the dome.

DX: Really?
Big Hutch: Really. Yeah. When I cut the beat to “Fresh Out,” I actually did the lyrics.
A lot of it is me on the spot, just bustin’ what’s in my heart.
I didn’t write anything down. There’s no hook, it’s just rhymes.
It took three minutes just to say where I came from, where I’m at, and where I’m trying to go. [Laughs]
Sometimes you’ll have cats who are incarcerated, they’ll get out, and there’s a lot of [songs] that are premeditated.
If you listen to “Fresh Out,”  it’s me, just raw in the studio, just flowin’.
I don’t write a lot. It’s written in my head, ya dig? I’m from the era where you write records.
I studied under Dr. Dre and N.W.A., accustomed to writing records, but I don’t typically write anything; it’s all off of memory.

DX: As somebody making music for 18 years, when you went in,
was it wild for you to connect with Above The Law fans that were still on that music from the early ‘90s, babies who went in and grew up behind bars…
Big Hutch: When all you have is get up, get counted, go eat, go sit down, that’s kinda the life you start living.
Other than that, you’re accustomed to the life you were livin’ the day you went into the penitentiary.
How you look at life 15 years ago is primarily how you look at life when you come.
I wouldn’t say they’re stuck, ‘cause there’s a lot of brilliant guys in there, but in it, their ways are still how it used to be.
To me, their mindset was still on keeping it real, ‘cause if you look back 15 years ago, there was a lot of real shit going on. [Laughs]

DX: You are a pioneer of G-Funk. Even flowing into the Blues-inspiration you mentioned, do you think that G-Funk is relevant in Hip Hop in 2008?
Big Hutch. I think it is because Hip Hop has to have more diversity. For instance, a lot of stuff is 808-based and kicks, snares and hi-hats now.
It ain’t music no more. Yeah, I think it’s relevant because I think it’s something that broadened Hip Hop.
A lot of those basic synth lines you hear today are G-Funk instruments basically. [Hums Usher’s “Yeah”]
That synth that Lil Jon used is kinda like G-Funk, it’s just not a G-Funk melody.
It’s not like [Hums Eazy-E’s “Real Muthaphuckkin’ G’s”].
It’s not a sweeping keyboard line, it’s more like breaks and hits.
When you look at sonically, yeah! I got a record “Preach,”
 it’s a real funky record, it’s that authentic, funky, livey, real melodic, goonie-sounding, roots, G'ish, funky…
I trip off of it because people tell me it’s what’s missing in the game. They don’t say, “Aw, that’s that old shit!” Nah, it’s like a breath of fresh air.

DX: My favorite record in your whole catalog is “Black Superman” .
I adore that record. Years later, 15 of them, do you believe that Barack Obama has the potential to be a Black Superman?
Big Hutch: Oh yes! You know what my fear in that is?
People get against me in this, but my fear is us supporting what he has to do when he becomes that. It’s time for a spirit like him to be in power.
I just hope we can support the bullshit that he has to fix, ‘cause it’s not gonna be an overnight thing.
I just hope we have enough patience. I think he can do it.

DX: When you wrote that record, the message is multi-faceted.
On one hand, the guy is curb serving and the king, the superman of his neighborhood. On another, he’s a block baby, and there’s so much more.
What was the message you were trying to convey not only to folks in the hood, but white kids like me watching it on MTV  back then?
Big Hutch: I think what people got from “Black Superman” is sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do.
Sometimes it’s not all about the shine.
KMG’s verse is, he’s a madman who really doesn’t give a shit, but he’s pushed to that point to where he’s got to do what he’s got to do.
My verse is more like, I’m pushed into a situation to where it’s so hard for me
– my moms is hurtin’, I’m hurtin’, so I’m just gonna push it like this, but I’m trying to save who I can save in my world.
I think what it bred through it was sometimes you’ve got to go through the darkness in order to shine, just to have a little bit.
You’ve got to do wrong to have right.

In the times we was livin’ in when we wrote Uncle Sam’s Curse, that was the whole premise of that album.
As young, black teenagers and early twenty-somethings, the way we was lookin’ at the game was,
“Hey, it’s rough out here, man. It ain’t no joke.” So we decided to make a record that was gangsta and politics.
We were understanding to where a lot of peoples’ mindset was in this country at that time.
That’s why that worked for us. We were so on top of everything that was going on in the country.
Back then, either the groups were gangsta-gangsta’d out or they were political; there was nobody who bridged the gap.
When we did Uncle Sam’s Curse, we bridged the gap with that.
It allowed people to listen to some gangsta shit, but have some thought to it.

DX: Were you embraced by that conscious, political community that championed Public Enemy, X-Clan and Poor Righteous Teachers?
Big Hutch: Oh yeah! For sho’. We had did a record about us hustling on the streets, which was Livin' Like Hustlers; Black Mafia Life was our family record. We’ve done all those records that said we were tough, grindin’ it out, hustled,
pushed packs up to weight and up to drinkin’ nice liquor, havin’ nice cars and being around women and still bein’ grimy,
we had done that, so we wanted to bridge every step that we’d taken in our careers,
and put a record out to the marketplace that brought both of those worlds together.
We are big N.W.A. fans and we are big Public Enemy fans, and we’d never seen it done.

DX: You mentioned Black Mafia Life. So many people ask you about Eazy. My question to you is about Tupac.
At that time, Tupac was entrenched in Northern California. Above The Law chose him as a guest on that album, ushering him into Los Angeles.
Go back with me and tell me why that went down…
Big Hutch: Yeah! The first record he cut outside of Digital Underground was “Call It What U Want”
One thing about it was ‘Pac was always around us, even when he was comin’ up. We had the road manager at the time.
We used to always have ciphers. Dude was just so off the hook, and we were like,
“Man, we gotta get him on this record.” It wasn’t no doubt. [Digital Underground] did “Same Song”, and we [knew it].
He did “Trapped” [click to read] and all that shit too. He was just so vicious.

It’s funny, at the time, like you said, nobody was checkin’ for ‘Pac in L.A. like that, not for real, for real.
We put him on “Call It What U Want” just based on his skills. We always hung out and did shit together too.
‘Pac was our partner, he was in with us like that. As we were comin’ up, he was just around us like he was around Digital.

DX: As a producer, you brought a true talent into the game in Kokane.
As a producer, did it or does it frustrate you to see him go find successes with
Dr. Dre, with Snoop, with G-Unit and you not really get the credit as somebody who helped polish that diamond?
Big Hutch: Yeah. It’s like this: one thing you’re gonna learn about me is, I’ma be real with you. I tell the truth, man, and hopefully it’ll set you free.
My point is this: when people take something that I brought to the game – and I brought the Kokane theory to the game, he delivered it as the artist
– but it gets kinda disturbing to me in the fact that no one pays homage to me.
He do a record with Snoop. The fact is, that sound’s been here [when it’s considered groundbreaking].
Give me my props. That’s the only thing I have a problem with.
Everybody likes to look like they’re the king of the hill, but don’t nobody want to say who helped them get to the top of the hill.
There’s a lot of people in Hip Hop who don’t know the question you just asked me
– they don’t know where the hell Kokane came from. Because guess what? Ain’t nobody ever said it. That’s what’s bad.
I ain’t got no problems with anybody using him, this or that, but when you start
addressing those kind of questions, just don’t act like you’ve all of a sudden got it at the truck stop on the bathroom wall.

DX: You produced tracks for Kam, Mac Mall, posthumous 2Pac production.
Do you want to be the type of producer that does joints for upcoming or established acts?
Big Hutch: Right now, I’m working a lot of independent stuff right now, ‘cause that’s the climate.
Other camps, to me, do what they do. They don’t look to broaden their horizons.
My focus is my label, my group – West World and Above The Law. That’s my priorities. I’d love to work with a Mary J Blige.
I make music that’s a little bit broader than Hip Hop at times. I’d like to do what Timbaland does.

DX: From the west, its only Above The Law and Boo-Ya T.R.I.B.E. that’s still together from the ‘80s throughout.
You mentioned messages. What’s the message now, as OG’s?
Big Hutch: Fresh Out The Pen is me. Just me.
It’s where I see life, where I’m tryin’ to get to, and what type of man I’d like to evolve to continue to be versus what I was.
With the new Above The Law record, which is gonna be raw, cutthroat, global-musically-influenced,
we’re gonna try to do things on a wider span of music.
Lyrically, from a G’s perspective is you have to talk as a person who’s been through something that’s continuing to be a part of the struggle.
Our group is Hip Hop, about fightin’ the man, comin’ up, stayin’ up. It’s about, if you win, celebrate, but not everyday’s a celebration.

With me being incarcerated, K-Os being incarcerated, we’ve got a lot to tell people.
You want to stay family, stay faith, stay focused, you want to be a stand-up guy at the end, or in the midst of it all.
For us, we want to continue to do it. We don’t believe in retirement, we don’t believe in none of that.
This is a business for us. We got a whole lot to say. To me, there’s no balance in the game.
People say, “Oh, what are dudes gonna say when they’re this old?”
We are the people you need to be listening to, ‘cause Hip Hop needs guidance!
When I was 19 years old, I didn’t have other rappers to listen to, ‘cause guess what? They was all my age.
You should feel fortunate. One thing I can tell you, which every other rapper can’t…
 the rapper sitting up there talkin’ ‘bout how much weight he pushed, he did this,
he did that, nine times out of 10, he don’t have a federal number on his back, he ain’t on parole – I am.

When I talk about being a street hustler, I really was a street hustler.
I ain’t lookin’ at Bobo down the street and lyin’ about his life through me. [Laughs]
That’s too much like CB4 to me, no disrespect to anybody who does it.
My whole thing is… if you gonna listen to them jibber jabber, you might as well listen to the Gs tell you how to get somewhere.
This “as we go along” shit, you can only go with them so long.
You should buy veteran rap music, so you can see where to get to. There’s no guide, no map.

DX: To be real, these days a lot of rappers are going into the penitentiary, but not many are coming out.
Big Hutch: Exactly. Mmm hmm.

DX: As a nephew of Willie Hutch, through DJ Paul and Juicy J
(“Stay Fly”/ “International Players Anthem” and 9th Wonder (“Dreamchasers”),
he’s become one of the most sampled artists in Hip Hop as of late. How’s that with you?
Big Hutch: It’s a beautiful thing. My dad, he was a writer, and he co-wrote a lot of the stuff, and wrote at Motown as well.
For me, it’s an honor. Thank you. I’m glad that people realize that he was great, and he had a lot of stuff that was real.
For a period of time, my uncle was really reigning in the ‘70s, a real player,
it’s just that people don’t know it ‘cause people don’t know about the times of music.
I’ve noticed that a lot of people who do records now look over a lot of heavy cats from that era. And he’s one of the hitters.

DX: It’s a shame that he’s no longer here. What was his reaction to you upholding the family business?
Big Hutch: He loved it. It was great.
My uncle and my father always taught me to express myself how I express myself – not to worry about what people were doing around me.
They liked the fact that I was different, that I was integrating music and melody into what I was doing.

DX: As a mentor for Crooked I, you’ve had time away from each other,
but what do you think of this student of your school and how he’s gone on to underground stardom?
Big Hutch: Man! I really hope that he makes a record, man.
I’m tired of seeing the mixtapes; I’m tired of hearing about it, I need to see this dude really, really get out there and let ‘em know he is the truth, ya dig? That’s what I’m bangin’ for. If there was one young guy that’s deserving of it, it’d be him.
When I worked with him at Death Row, his work ethic is vicious. His focus is real for-real.
That’s the only thing I wish. When cats do mixtapes, it’s great for advertisement, but it doesn’t do nothing for a real career. He deserves the shot.
I don’t cosign for nobody, but that was one of my franchise players.

prop pootypooty  ;)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on August 08, 2008, 03:29:21 AM
Here's My Review
Cold187um - "Fresh Out The Pen Review"

1)INTRO
- Loved The Intro sounds like a movie just started...Cold187um Spitting Fire!!! -  10/10

2)So Real
- This song is tyte, laid back, love the background on this song...real mellow track! 10/10

3)Take Over
- This was cool, he sounds real pissed off, background song is tyte...westcoast - 10/10

4)Preach
- This has a dope beat...cold187um spitting fire...love the chorus...preach on, preach on lol 10/10

5)Turmoil in the Ghetto
- I wasn't feeling this track @ first...but then i started listening to it 3 or 4 times and it was actually good...
beat sounds like a song from a movie ...but ya i give this song - 6.5/10

6)Dope Fean
- This was a okay skit nothing special 3/10

7)Get Your Weight Up
- I Love The Dark Beat, The Chorus is okay "Get Yo Weight Up" The Lyrics are Sick as Fuck, i give this track - 10/10

8)Bizniz Never Personal
- The Beginning Was dope as fuck...girl moaning n shit hahahhahhahahaha this song is tyte, spitting some motherfucking fire...love the chorus - 10/10

9)Convict Love
- Not Feeling This LoL 2/10

10)FRESH OUT
- THIS TRACK IS TYTE, LAID BACK, DOPE BEAT, SICK LYRICS LOVE THIS SONG - 10/10

11)GANGSTAZ IN STILETTOS
- HAHAHAHA THE BEGINNING WAS TYTE WITH THE CHICK...THIS 1 IS OKAY TRACK...THIS TRACK HAS ALOT OF BASS...I GIVE THIS TRACK - 5/10

12)BITCH
- I Didn't like the Intro but the song it self is okay...dint like the beat...but cold187um spitting some fire...fuck a bitch hungry ass bitch 
(LOVE THE BEAT @ 3:45 THAT WAS FUCKIN FIRE) - 6/10

13)Deep Throat
- THIS TRACK IS STRAIGHT FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!! - LOVE THE ICE CUBE INTRO, LOVE THE ROCK N ROLL BEAT...THIS IS THE SHIT I LOVE....LOVE THAT PSYCHO VOICE...THIS IS 1 OF MY FAVORITE SONGS, STOP TRYING TURN A HOE INTO A HOUSE WIFE!!! - 10/10

14)HOLLYWOOD
- THIS TRACK IS STRAIGHT MUTHAPHUKKIN FIRE!!!!! LOVE THE ROCK N ROLL BEAT AGAIN, THIS SHIT IS PURE FIRE...COLD187UM SPITTING SOME MUTHAPHUKKIN FIRE!!!! - THIS IS 1 OF MY OTHER FAVORITE SONGS...I GIVE THIS TRACK - 10/10

15)HUSTLERS CRY
- ALRIGHT THE BEAT ON THIS IS OKAY, THE LYRICS ARE DOPE...AND CHORUS NOT FEELING IT...ITS ALRIGHT TRACK 5/10

16)AKLIKANIGA
- THE BEAT ON THIS TRACK IS PRETTY GOOD, COLD187UM SPITS FIRE ON HERE, AND THE CHORUS IS PRETTY DOPE...THIS IS A GOOD LAID BACK TRACK 8.5/10

17)MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU
- THIS SONG IS OKAY ALSO, THE BEAT IS TOO STAR WARS LOL...IT NEEDS A DIFFERENT BEAT TO IT...MAYBE A REMIX...ANYWAYS LYRICS ARE SICK AS FUCKKKK, CHORUS IS TYTE...ALL IT NEEDS IS A NEW BEAT THEN THE SONG WOULD BE TYTE SO I GIVE THIS TRACK 8.5/10

18)187RELOADED
- THIS SONG IS FIRE!!!!!! THIS IS 1 OF MY OTHER FAVORITE TRACKS!..LOVE THE BEAT ROCK N ROLL GANGSTER RAP BEAT MIXED IN 1...187 SPITTING SOME FIRE ON THIS 1...SICK FUCKIN TRACK LOVE IT - 10/10

19)AMERICA X
- THIS SONG AIGHT..I DONT LIKE THE ANNOYING WHISTLING GOING ON...THE LYRICS ARE OKAY...I GIVE THIS SONG 4/10


overall the CD was 7/10 (3.5/5)



Cool little breakdown...  ;)
There was a couple of weak cuts on it,but I feel most of the tracks.
My favorites;
-So real
-Preach
-Fresh out
-Hollywood
-May the force be with you
-187 reloaded


My rating will land somewhere between 3-3.5 out of 5
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: o g s u e s o n e on August 10, 2008, 08:19:05 AM
the new c187um disc is fuckin sick....luv it, glad hes back up in this mufucka.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on August 12, 2008, 07:43:24 AM
New interview; August 12, 2008
DubCNN Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM interview (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=190146.0#msg1941846)

(http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bighutch08-part1/bighutch.jpg)

For the second time in 2008 [February 2008 interview], Dubcnn caught up with Cold 187um AKA Big Hutch for an exclusive interview. In this two part feature, he reveals the truth behind the origin of Dr. Dre's signature sound, which he introduced to Death Row Records and resulted in an aftermath of success for the mega producer.

Also, hear how Snoop Dogg really came up... You'll be surprised to hear 187 open up about his personal business dealings with Eazy-E and Jerry Heller, uncovering a very different perspective on the way business was handled at Ruthless Records.

Cold 187um eventually realized he couldn't live Above The Law forever -- being arrested and sent away -- causing him to reflect on the message he was portraying and accepting accountability for his youthful ignorance, as he fought his way through the gruelling life behind bars.

Having these talents locked up made up for the explosive new album, Fresh Out The Pen…
Read this powerful, compelling, controversial, and moving testimony in the exclusive, heart-felt Dubcnn interview by Jonathan Hay and Chad Kiser.

http://dubcnn.com/interviews/bighutch08-part1/

As always, you can hit me up on www.myspace.com/jonathanhay or email me at haywire@dubcnn.com and be sure to leave feedback on our forums!


Dubcnn: Do you feel that you get enough credit for all that you have brought to the table and accomplished for the hip-hop culture?

I’m here to let the world know that I'm the one who created it [the original G-Funk sound], you know what I mean? So, basically, I mean [Dr] Dre had a situation to where he had [a chance] to let people know that he was highly influenced by a producer like myself, you know what I mean? That I'm the one that brought G Funk to the table -- but I think people think it's like I'm some kid that came up under Dre that's like a little bit bitter that I didn't get all my props from other things that I've done in the music industry, ya dig? And it's like I'm trying to jump on the bandwagon like everybody else and say ‘Well, Dre ain't this and Dre ain't that...’ and, you know, what I think what's bad is that I was Dr. Dre's understudy for a lot of years at Ruthless [Records], right? And when I created G-Funk, it was a more so situation to where it was more our coined flavor of Above The Law, so he kind of took some theories and ideas that I had and brought it over to Death Row.

Now I didn’t have a problem with that because, as I just explained to you, I was his understudy, no problem, you know what I’m saying, you know, you give some stuff, I give some stuff, we gel together, you know what I mean? What my problem was, when you’re addressed with it and you know ‘how did you find this new sound or whatever’, you didn’t say, ‘well, it’s this kid I worked with -- 187aka Big Hutch -- you know, so on and so on, I got the theory from him’ and he never really coined the fact of where it ever came from.

Snoop in turn came through us... Snoop was actually in development by me, I was developing Snoop as well as Warren G and they ended up turning the corner and ended up being at Death Row when there was a lot of turmoil going on at Ruthless Records. It’s alright, I’m just saying, if I get an idea from somebody, I should give them their props. It’s not like I’m saying he’s wack or anything, so I don’t want anybody [to think] that I have a problem with Dr. Dre, I love Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre, along with Eazy E are the guys who put me in the game; you know what I’m saying. But he broke camp and took a style that I innovated, you know, sorry! I came to Ruthless when Ruthless was built by Dr. Dre, you feel me? It was already built, ya dig? But I can say, I invented that style, that flavor…


Dubcnn: I was just thinking about that when you were talking and it’s crazy… not only can you [go back] and do the research, but when you listen to the albums that came out around the same time that Dre had his hands in [the production], when you listen to Livin’ Like Hustlers, it was so much more musical than anything at the time… and then they took that sound and embellished it and that’s what created the whole [G-Funk sound] – cause Straight Outta Compton it didn’t sound like that, it wasn’t that musical, with all that real instrumentation like you had it laid out…

The thing about it is, at the time, it went from a boom and a bap, to a baseline, to more like chord progression and changes, grooves and singing, you know what I mean?


Dubcnn: Yeah, melodic… Like you were saying earlier…

Yeah, the changes [sings melody], all the melodic tones…the goony sounding shit, all of those elements mixed into hip-hop.


Dubcnn: I was wondering, how much was Eazy E actually involved with the business aspect of Ruthless Records?

Well, you know, one hundred percent. And I think that he just loved music so much, and he was the shot caller when it came to that, so he had a lot to do with it in that aspect. He just said, ‘ok I can sell this’ he just could hear it and say he could sell it, you feel me? That’s how in-tune he was with his business.


Dubcnn: How much involvement did you have with Jerry Heller?

I dealt with Jerry day-to-day just as well as I dealt with Eric [Eazy E], you know. He was the office guy and Eric was the guy in the field. I could easily pick up the phone and talk to Jerry, the game wasn’t set up like that, you know…


Dubcnn: Was Jerry fair with you guys as far as business dealings?

Yeah, you know, the thing that I say is crazy and I never really knew all of the politics of NWA because that was their thing, but I can say that without Jerry, I don’t think that we would’ve achieved a lot [of the things] that we’ve achieved as a label because Jerry loved what we was doing – he’ll tell you he couldn’t understand it at the time, but he loved it. He lived in the music industry for a lot of years [and] I think he loved our passion, our drive, our focus for work and everything. We were all with big companies and we were saying some of the most outlandish shit in the world at the time. Who would stand up for that? Who would’ve gone up to bat for that? Who do you know that would go up to bat for that nowadays? You know what I’m saying? So think about it; he went to bat for us a lot of times. We was ‘Fuck everybody, Fuck the city, Fuck the police, Fuck these people, Fuck that,’ you know what I’m saying? He went in and backed us.


Dubcnn: Tell us about your new album, Straight Out The Pen?

I’m the type of person with media and with the press, I’m real, you know what I mean and when I came out with my album I wanted to put me on the record, and I’m saying whatever I want to say and however I was feeling. I don’t want to have people in the studio like ‘oh, I wouldn’t say that…’ you know, or “I wouldn’t talk about that…’ I didn’t wanna have that. Because that’s the type of industry that we in now, so you know, I’ll take you guys on different kinds of journeys musically on this record…but it’s straight-forward.


Dubcnn: Being both an artist and a musician, and being locked up, how did you deal with not having studios around, or not having instruments, etc?

I composed probably 80 percent of my album in my head and it’s funny, because the last twelve months of being incarcerated, I actually wrote my music out really, because what I did at the last place I was at, it only had like acoustic instruments, it only had like piano – you couldn’t program there, basically. What I had to do with all the music that I had wrote in my head – cause you do write in your head – I went and played all the melodies out on the piano and got all the music laid out before I got home. I wrote what was in my head, all the changes, every instrument that I wanted, I wrote it down on the music chart. I wrote that record all the way out, so when I got home I composed it out the same way. My focus was to do my time and go home and to get back to my career…that’s it.


Dubcnn: I remember when I was reading that Tupac article in Vibe when he was in prison and that he felt his soul was dead and he couldn’t think about any kind of music until he got out, and then he went on and recorded, All Eyes On Me…

I couldn’t do music in the penitentiary. I did my time like a convict, not like a jukebox, I didn’t go around rapping to everybody, I didn’t go around rapping in every circle, I didn’t go around telling mutha-fuckas I had a million songs, you know what I’m saying? It’s funny like how Pac was saying it, ‘cause when you first get locked up that’s how you feel. Like the first [several] months when I was locked up, I didn’t think about doing nothing but doing time, you know, I didn’t think about nothing. And then at one point, I was like well shit I’m here, I gotta think about when I get out. What am I gonna do when I get out? So I had to start thinking about the outside, you know what I mean? I couldn’t ball up like that. I mean the one thing you do – and I agree with Pac – is your reflection on it, because the things that happened to me after I got home was the real blueprint for Straight Out The Pen. You’ll wonder what happened to me when I was in the penitentiary. Because, guess what, all I had to do every day is do my time. And I’m going to agree with Pac on that because, on one note, I’m gonna keep it real with ya’ll, the one thing is that you don’t get no extra privileges, you are a convict in there.

After you understand that you are in the penitentiary and go through that time, it’s about getting out, you know. It’s not about being in there, trying to trip off of being a convict cause you’ll be stuck, man, cause one day you’re gonna get out. That’s like if Pac wouldn’t have got out like he got out, eventually he would’ve had to start planning what he was going to do when he got out of the penitentiary. It just so happened for him, right when it started clicking for him, he end up getting out of that shit, you know? See me, I had to do my time basically, I did my time. I bought my time. Not to say that he didn’t [do] his time, he did time there as well, but a lot of things he talks about like when he say in “Hail Mary” ‘the penitentiary is packed with promise makers never realize the precious time the bitch niggaz is wasting’ – it’s full of that, it’s full of mother-fuckas making promises and dreaming and all that and never realizing and I just refused to sit around and die in there, for real, I mean I refused to let my soul die in there. One thing my mother and my father asked me anytime they talked to me – my father he’s passed away and everything, but my biological mother and foster dad they still living and everything – and they asked me questions, but the most that they wanted to know [while I was in there] was my soul, how was my soul? I said well they ain’t take my soul yet, so, I’m good.

You come out alright, you come out a better man, you know what I mean? So anytime we allow something like that to take our spirit and our soul away, we might as well die in there. If you ain’t willing to push that lie to do that time, don’t speak on it, don’t put yourself in that position because when it come, it’s real. And that’s one of my biggest messages: be responsible for the things you do, you know what I’m saying, because I was. When it got down to the down and dirty, and this may not pertain to anything in your interview but put it down - when it came to muther-fuckas asking me would I cooperate with them, I said no, I’ll do time in the penitentiary. [I would never snitch] because me as a man, I’d done the crime, ya dig? I’m not gonna tell on nobody, when I done the crime that ya’ll got me for. You feel me? I’m not gonna do that, I’m not gonna send nobody to jail – I didn’t go to three months of police academy and a [become a cop], I’m not gonna do that to get outta trouble, you know what I’m saying? I’m gonna do my time so all you people chasing this and chasing that, these youngsters or whatever, I try to give it to them on the real like, hey, I hope you can do the time you know what I’m saying, cause I know young dudes coming in on the block chasing that pack ,got thirty, got life, you know what I’m saying? So I hope you ready for that side of it, because it’s a reality of the shit.

All those things that we sit up and talk about it’s real, homie, I did time in the penitentiary it’s not a dream you guys, it’s not a Hollywood story homie, it’s not a Bobby Brown slap on the wrist story. I was in there eating soup like everybody else. I had a number, I had to stand up everyday at 4:00, I became like a F-cking piece of cattle homie. You know what I’m saying? It’s real, homie. I lost my family, I lost a lot of my friends in this entertainment business homie, because of that, homie, because of me doing shit, some punk ass bull shit, to live a lifestyle that’s not suiting for nobody, homie. I’m real, homie. You know, I’m still a dude that you can’t come in my face and stand toe to toe to me and talk sideways to me and me not take your mother-fuckin head off. But I’ll say something real to you: don’t be out there playing those games, they got a place for you, they got a place for you. You wanna be big paid with the big bling and shine, go get a job, save up your money and shine; don’t be on the block chasing the pack cause dude got something for ya’ll, you know what I’m saying? So, I’m a keep it one hundred with ya’ll. This is me talking – this is 187 talking, the dude that talked more shit than the law has allowed. But when it’s real, it’s real. You better get focused and stop living in a lie…


Dubcnn: That’s deep…. real deep. Earlier [in the interview] you said something like Snoop actually started out at Ruthless?

Yeah, he did, he was brought to us by Warren G – Warren G used to sleep on my floor, he used to always tell me about this kid named Snoop, I said we’ll reach out, man, you know what I’m saying, lets give him a call, so Snoop came, he reached out, he’s incredible, you know and so we started developing some ideas for Snoop. What happened in the situation was the camp broke up. They ended up deciding to go with Dre; we ended up deciding to stay at Ruthless, so there it is.


Dubcnn: I never knew that part of the story…

That’s real talk. He [Snoop] was always around and Dr. Dre came and asked me what I thought about him, he said I’m thinking about fucking with dude, what do you think about him? I was like, he’s incredible, he can pop out freestyles like crazy, you know what I’m saying, I’d fuck with him, he’s like oh, ok. He was already on the wire, I tell you the truth, he was already on the wire. If you notice, if you look at the Deep Cover soundtrack I have music on the Deep Cover soundtrack as well as Snoop. That’s another thing; I was supposed to be on the Deep Cover record. They just imitated my voice. That’s why he say it like that “cause it’s 187 on an undercover cop”. You know, it’s time for the truth to be told, I know it’s gonna hurt a lot of people but it needs to be told.

 

TO BE CONTINUED…
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: D-Stress on August 12, 2008, 08:21:07 AM
^^  :o
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on September 03, 2008, 07:18:34 AM
this is 1 of the traks leaked from ther "Diary Of A Drug Dealer" deathrow album that unfortunately never got put out.
Above The Law - Let It Be Known (http://www.zshare.net/audio/181270159b0859dd/)
dope ass track but its only a 2mins though, does any1 have the full version?

cheers
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: dirdee on September 03, 2008, 12:58:40 PM
damn, where did you get that track from???? i thought i know every single track, feature, etc. from above the law.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Raine on September 04, 2008, 01:29:03 AM
RAINE N LANE N KOKANE THE ALBUM COMES OUT SEPTEMBER 9TH!! PRE ORDERS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW AT www.myspace.com/rainendem

DONT SLEEP!!! WE THE NEXT GENERATION OF THIS REAL WESTCOAST SHIT. WE AINT FENNA DICK RIDE THE SOUTH TO SELL RECORDS.

FUCK THAT.

HIT UP OUR PAGE AND PICK UP A COPY. ILL SHIP IT TO YOU PERSONALLY.

CUSTOMIZED AUTOGRAPHED COPIES FROM ME AND KOKANE AVAILABLE AS WELL. GET AT ME.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on September 04, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
NonCentz ...... (do I need to say more  :P  :laugh: ;))

(http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/kokane08/kokane.jpg)

The son of Motown composer Jerry Long, Sr., Kokane is known for his legendary work with the classic group Above The Law, and featuring on Dr. Dre’s masterpieces, aka The Chronic and 2001, he is the industry’s most featured artist.

This is made even more clear when you scroll through the man’s catalog and you see appearances listed with Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Tha Eastsidaz, Eazy-E, Xzibit, Too $hort, Young Buck, and the list goes on.

Dubcnn recently caught back up with the legendary Kokane to talk about what he’s been up to, what new projects we can expect from him, working with the original funk masters George Clinton and Bootsy Collins, and about the possiblity of seeing him feature once again with Dr. Dre on the mega-producer’s final opus, Detox. We touch a lil' bit on the upcoming presidential election, more specifically Barack Obama, and we get Kokane’s deep, insightful look into the west coast’s status in the industry.

Koka is also finishing up the new project with Meech Wells titled The New West World Order Four dropping in November, as well as his solo album, Back To The Future due out early next year.

Here is Kokane – Raw & UnKut!!

DubCNN; Kokane interview. September 08 (http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/kokane08/)

Stay tuned to dubcnn for more on updates on Kokane and as always we encourage you drop your feedback and comments on the forum or by dropping me an e-mail to chad@dubcnn.com.


Dubcnn: Koka, what’s been going on with you, homie?

Man, been working like a chicken with my head cut off man; got a lot on my plate now. I just finished an album called Back To The Future. I got cameos on there from Bootsy Collins, Cameo, George Clinton, Tina Marie, Rakim, Above the Law, Crooked I, Redman, Daz, Kurupt and a couple more surprises. Back to the essence we call ourselves the new Parliament. We about to hit’em hard, man, especially from the west coast!


Dubcnn: Who do you have producing on this Back To The Future record?

We went with these cats in Seattle called High Powered. We have the album together, but we are shopping it around trying to get the right deal. I am working with this kid named John Silva, and a couple of more people like definitely Meech [Wells], Knucklehead, Baldy and LayLaw It is one of them heaters, it’s a finger banger.


Dubcnn: So you’re still a part of the High Powered Entertainment group then?

Yes! Besides that, me and Meech [Wells] done hooked up and we’re bringing it back to the essence. You know, we’re fixing to do a lot of stuff like Parliament did. They started out with Parliament, then they did the Funkadelics; we’re going to do all kinds of stuff like that. It feels real good to do all this and hook back up with that brother because at one time over at the Dogghouse it was really magic, and Meech was a part of that, so big up to that dude.


Dubcnn: In the last interview you did with Dubcnn you were talking about a group called Toe Jam, so all of that is still full steam ahead?

Oh yeah! That is actually the name of my band like Kokane and Toe Jam, like Parliament and the Funkadelics. It’s a 10-piece setup, just minimized from the Parliament thing, but it’s hitting just as hard. But yeah, it’s a beautiful thing; the funk is back! That’s what I’m telling everybody. Coming out here from the west coast, sometimes we kind of drift away and everybody’s got a season to go ahead and have the flag; like the South got it, like east coast got it, but now it’s coming back to the essence from the west coast because getting tired of just getting nit picked on. The radio stations are disrespecting artists out here that really have talent. So, we’re like no more! There is a big campaign going on out here. The big wigs are going to have to start embracing the ones from the new west. We’re supposed to be one big family; ain’t no kings out here. And if you look at everybody else, the reason why they treat us like that is because of the way we treat each other out here. So all of that monotony is getting ready to go out the window, homie.


Dubcnn: You talk about the funk is back and you talk about that toe jam I am interested well wondering if it is going to be like a modern day Parliament can you expand a lil' bit more on that I know you said it is made up of 10 people but can you tell us a little bit more about it?

I mean, when I said we had Cameo, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins and Tina Marie that shows you where we are trying to take it, you know what I am saying? We ain’t playing with it. I don't down grade nobody’s music, but we are really taking it there. For the first time in rap history, with Kokane being put into the Guinness Book of World Records for being the most featured rap artist, I was the one that could do that. I put together an old album with the old that sounds like it came from the 70’s. That’s what the game needs right now; it needs to get back to doing that real music, period! To me there are a lot of cats out here that are getting back to the essence. I’m not dissing nobody, but right now music sounds horrible nowadays! I can't knock their hustle, but from the old school point of view you got to keep it funky, jack, regardless. Across the world people want to hear the funk. So that is what we are bringing back to the people, that real sound, where black music can be respected


Dubcnn: Working with cats like Bootsy Collins, George Clinton, Larry Blackmond, etc., what’s it like to get in the studio with them cats and work with them?

Man, it is mind blowing! No disrespect to the Snoop’s and Dre’s or anybody, but it ain’t nothing like working with them cats. When I first came in there and met George, I am not even going to lie; I got street credit and all that, but I kind of clammed up homie. Because it was like, man, this is the dream come true. Then when you see these guys actually work it has never left them. It’s amazing! That’s when I say O Lord, thank you Jesus; I’m on the right track because this is what I was made to do. My dad was a writer he wrote Just My Imagination, Still Waters Run Deep, Smiling Faces; so it was in the blood already. Seeing George Clinton in the L.A. Coliseum long before most people were even born, I mean it grabbed me. I was trying to sing like him and everything and then to finally meet and work with him was nice. It’s like the old funk landed with the Mothership and the new funk landed with the Mothership and it’s off the Richter scale, trust me.


Dubcnn: See fans, not just of rap music, but all kinds of music get stuck in different era’s; like for me I like the whole 88' through 96' rap era because I feel that is when rap was at its funkiest. I feel like music has lost it’s creativity, and it’s missing that originality that came before and during that time.

Yeah, that is what we are trying to apply to the game with a lot of other people. When you listen to the Funkadelic and Parliament they had a message in all of their songs, you know what I am saying? Chocolate City was talking about the social breakdown of society, and being from a suppressed environment, growing up in the hood. It is like we done lost our damn minds. I am basically saying this: get your ass out the camera shop cause I got something to say to people. It was like a tsunami wave of people just bamboozled! Life just don’t consist of diamonds and bitches and bars and hanging out all the time; it is real folks just going through real pain then it starts to be a problem. That’s what funk music is and I am trying to express it in our music man. It is a problem when 10,000 kids know 10,000 hooks before they know two sentences of scripture, before they know how to apply the intelligence in everything. It’s talking about that, but at the same time incorporating the music and messages with the sound; and talking about how most blacks cannot even go to college out here, get in trouble with their credit and have to sell dope in the streets. How jails become big business for cooperate people and different other situations. It is like people are scared to go there, but it’s gotta be back to that old mentality each one teach one. That is what the Funkdelic’s and Parliament’s represents. It’s like the bottom of the soul done dropped out for a minute, but you got people that is getting back on that roll.


Dubcnn: Why do you think people are scared of speaking their minds and standing up, unlike what we’re seeing with Killer Mike, Ice Cube and Nas?

It is a fear factor thing. it’s like we speak our minds, but the media played it out like African medallion chains; that it is wrong to go ahead to go head and talk something positive and helping your brother out. That is why I love Public Enemy a lot because they were so gangster and yet they talked about a positive thing. That is the one thing and reason why they shut that out because the biggest thing in order to get you off that focus is to discredit you. They didn't discredit talking about positive music and bringing it back to the funk for a long time. So, when it starts getting out there like that it spreads like a cancer and then it starts reaching out demographically to the masses. That is why you have people that are not interested because it is like it is wrong to talk about something. It’s like, you can shake your ass to it, but it seems like it is wrong to talk about God or why Brenda still has a baby and different things like that. It is like Pac really was the last of the Mohicans talking like that. We have to get back to that because we are, to a certain extent, responsible for everything we do. The homie’s are lying when they say they don't.

It is like I said before, how are you not responsible when five of them homie’s know five thousand rap songs before they even how to finish SAT scores? Man, this rap music and rap culture is deeper than all that, but we have to get back to the soul music. I am a firm believer in making raw funk, but I believe that God is back in soul and because of that we can turn this thing around, and start doing live tours. It’s like all these people we have out here on the west coast and none of them really embrace each other because it’s a ‘me’ situation, when we should get together and start doing tours, you know what I mean? The younger generations look up to you, so let’s go ahead and embrace the youth and put aside about what a dude want to do for me and about who is the big wig, who is the king and things like that. We have to get back to the realness of it and keep it one hundred.

There was a time and era, when we were coming out with these records in the 90's like Black Superman, Uncle Sam’s Curse, Funk Upon A Rhyme, No Pain No Gain and people were like ‘ah, I feel that because I’m going through that’. It’s like the whole game has been bamboozled! Twenty years in the game and still it is a blessing to be alive and play this post. Most people who are in the game this long are like ‘I am in the game this long and blah, blah’. No! It is a honor to be in the game this long to play that post, and some people mis-use their influence and that’s going to catch up to them because the people on the west coast are hungry for getting their break again. From where they come from there are families behind this. In the west coast culture that says it all in a nut shell: there are families behind us. So, anybody out there, I am not going to say no names, but anybody, they need to come down off that high ladder that they are on and come down and try to embrace these young brothers.


Dubcnn: That’s real talk! Now, you’ve worked with a who’s who of people like Big Hutch, Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Xzibit, Snoop, Bootsy, George Clinton, Young Buck, Spice 1, Too Short, Ice Cube, and more! I mean, the list goes on. You’ve been featured on so many platinum, classic and influential albums, more than anyone can count. Being the most featured artist out there, is there anyone left for you to work with in this industry?

Man, just God's work and that is coming soon *laughs* That is it, man, to use my influence and talk to these brothers. Traditional is traditional, but then God is waking up the soldiers to go ahead to use their influence and help these kids. We have to start pumping out positivity, upliftment, and encouragement. That is where I am going with it; modern day Curtis Mayfield with a Bootsy twist and George Clinton.


Dubcnn: Talk about hooking back up with Meech, and what that means to you.

I am glad I hooked back up with Meech because we have fun doing what we do. Looking at all them cats like Rick James, Stone City Band, Zapp, I mean there is something about that dude, man. He’s incredible! I am glad to see him getting his opportunity to get his chance again because for a time it was real pure over at the Dogghouse at one time. For good or for bad I am going to say cause the situation was wrong because we are past that, but it was beautiful. When Tha Eastsidaz were out and Meech was over there, Cat and all of them; it was beautiful over there, I swear to God! It was like we were going everywhere and you could feel it. It was the same intensity when NWA was doing their thing. For better or for worse, the same thing the devil is designed to take away, is the same things that God helps me on, you know what I am saying? I bump into the homies every now and then; there is not no love lost, but at the same time I know where we came from Above the Law. We were the originators of G-Funk, period. And if you do your home work, we have not been saying nothing for a long time about where a lot of stuff came from, we felt at that time people did concepts. Now it is time for people to know the truth about everything. Like the Lord says, ‘the truth shall set you free!’


Dubcnn: My partner, Jonathan Hay & I, interviewed Hutch a few weeks ago and I asked him this question about G-Funk: Twenty years later, is there a place for G-Funk in today’s era?

Ah yeah, because George Clinton’s stuff that he made back then people are paying a hundred to a hundred-fifty dollars on Amazon for those records! If you hear some of them beats that Hutch did back on Uncle Sam’s Curse was amazing homie! We were the blueprint out here on the west coast for a lot of brothers to get that sound because we were touching on it. Eazy exposed it, it did what it could do with the controversy of him passing, but it was amazing, man. I run into everybody, man, from Outkast, Dungeon Family, and they’re like, ‘what was you all doing back then? It’s like you all was on a Mothership for real!’ I said, ‘we were just funky.’ That was that era, we was wet in the funk. That is all we did was study records: the music theory, concepts, beats, funk. and then you know inadvertently people like it. Now we’re right back together: Above the Law and Kokane we back.


Dubcnn: Are you all working on anything right now?

Yeah, we’re working right now! I live out in Seattle now and I chopped it up with those guys and it was beautiful, man, beautiful. From the fan perspective all across the map that’s what they want to see. When you water down stuff for so long, people finally wake up and start saying ‘I am tired of hearing that rinky-dink m mess!.’ So, we come with that fire and, you know, strength through unity and if the west coast embrace each other its going to come back much stronger.


Dubcnn: That’s where I respect Snoop because he was instrumental in bringing out Tha Eastsidaz, and now Dubb Union and WarZone. He’s been upfront about keeping the west united, you know so it’s a good look to that.

Yeah, man it’s cool. That brother is definitely doing his part, but instrumentally each person has to do their own part not just Snoop, but it has to be Meech, Dre, Snoop, Cube, and guys like Glasses Malone and other up and coming people. It has to be everybody. There is no reason why the west coast does not have their own hip-hop award show and the whole word done nitpicked. We got to move through intelligence right now, it can’t just be a one-man band; we all have to get in together because it just can’t just be Snoop doing his thing with the Western Union over there. That is tight that they're doing their thing, we just can’t hear one person on the radio, you have to start hearing west coast artists. As far as the radio is concerned I am going to put this out here on the limb: they have never catered to me, but they had to play me because I was on so many songs, but it is time to go in there and they are going to be forced to play our music, guaranteed!


Dubcnn: Are you working with Snoop?

I am not working with him currently, but I bumped into him not too long ago. We talked and went on our ways. It is all good you know we have to keep it comfortable like that. We both are doing our thing.


Dubcnn: You mentioned back in April that you and Snoop were going to be doing a song called The L-Code. is that still in the works?

I wanted to put him on that, but at the time I guess he is in a situation where he couldn't get back. Hopefully we can get back in there again. I love him to death, but we got to keep it pushing.


Dubcnn: You were on Dre's Chronic album, and you were on his 2001 album as well. In the last interview with Dubcnn you had mentioned that you guys have rekindled everything, so does that mean that we will see you on Detox?

Man, who knows? That man has a million and one songs! I sent him some stuff, and we briefly talked about it, but there is nothing locked in like that. I sent him some stuff and I hope to be one of them songs that he likes on there. You know, our peoples have been talking and so who knows? But it would make since.


Dubcnn: Talking about Dre and bringing things back to an essence. What is the possibility of not so much of an NWA reunion, but about getting Dre, and Hutch producing again and then having Kokane on there what are your thoughts about that?

Man, it is time consuming you know. Everybody has their own schedule. Those are two very great black men and they showed each other a lot of stuff and it is sad sometimes when we can’t put away some stuff. The odds of them doing it is pride, but not saying that Hutch is right or wrong because that is my cousin. And not saying that Dre is right or wrong, but if they come together and can put their pride aside then you know it would have to be for the love because Dre is filthy stinking rich and Hutch is well off. So if the money is thrown out, the pride put in the back pocket, and the love is there then we can do some great things, man.


Dubcnn: Yeah it just got me thinking because one thing I heard Dre talking about on his Detox album is that he said he was trying to work with all the people that he has ever worked with before. I was wondering how far back he was willing to go with that.

Man, you know how this game is where things just be changing and keeps on changing. Through all the nonsense, man we come together as brothers and the unity, but some people on the west coast want to treat a brother like he is a flea or something. God really does not like ugly and it will catch up to you. I think God for humbling me because that arrogant stuff is out the window. A lot of these people are in the closet this and in the closet that. Man, drop the issues and embrace the love for your brother! Some people are not going to listen to that because they are stuck with their insecurities. I mean some of the biggest stars out there are rapping and don’t want to embrace their insecurities. It isn’t no use in talking about mirror, mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all? What happens when you die broke and by yourself? You can have all them chips and then when a whole coast turns on you because you've been faking everybody out for all them years, making broken promises. It will catch up to you. What I am telling you is 100% true! When brothers hear this they are going to be like ‘he’s telling the truth!’


Dubcnn: You said the word campaign earlier and it got me to thinking: what are your thoughts on Obama?

Oh man! Your mama if you’re not for Obama! *laughs* That is a good brother and a beautiful thing that is going on right there, man. For so long we’ve been conditioned to think that things can’t happen for us. To see Obama up there has my family talking, my aunties and uncles are talking saying “we never did think that in this lifetime that it would be a black man having a chance to be president.’ The same thing I told you about making a difference doing the live tours, man yes we can! We can do the live tours to make a difference, homie that is why I love that dude. Us as a culture we need a break and something new to look at because for a time all we had to look at is the systems way of doing things; setting us up for big business making beds and couches in jails, not thinking about how they are taking away all your education and everything. Big ups to Obama because everyday, as a black man I wake up and I got on an Obama shirt, pants, hats, pins, and even wrote on my shoes Obama! That is good for us. If God is with you who can stand against you? So all the little stuff that we are used to doing we have to start thinking to ourselves let me get with this dude and get on television and politics to show them that we are not a bunch of dummies. Let me show them how we are not a bunch of stereotypes. Look how we are getting together.


Dubcnn: It’s been great to be seeing all your changes and maturity throughout the years in the game. It’s truly an inspiration.

Thank you! God bless you!


Dubcnn: I think that about does it on this on Koka. Is there anything else you want to say before I let you go?

To all the people out there, do not concentrate on who or what people think. Like I said if God is with you, yeah I know I might cuss and then turn around and say God bless you but God and I are working on that you know keep your head up and keep believing in the sound. Anybody out there rapping black, white, Latino, or whoever tell you nothing because you can do it if you put your mind to it you know what I am saying. The odds are not against you that is what I keep telling the whole world and public.

Mad love to Dubcnn and much love for life. Every two weeks we are going to be slapping them upside the head! Me and Meech are going to be hitting them with thumpers, we already have over 60 beats and songs done exclusive on Dubcnn much love homies.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Rick James on September 07, 2008, 01:25:20 PM
the thing i dont like is thingz like these

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fifqxqwhldhe~T0

Above the Law's third album, Uncle Sam's Curse,
shows the Los Angeles rap crew incorporating some of Dr. Dre's sonic innovations into their basic gangsta rap sound. The group remains fine rappers and several of the tracks rank among their finest work, but the album is little more than a holding pattern -- instead of moving forward, they're just keeping up with their contemporaries.

give the original developers sum respect mayn.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on September 07, 2008, 01:56:05 PM
the thing i don't like is things like these

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fifqxqwhldhe~T0

Above the Law's third album, Uncle Sam's Curse,
shows the Los Angeles rap crew incorporating some of Dr. Dre's sonic innovations into their basic gangster rap sound. The group remains fine rappers and several of the tracks rank among their finest work, but the album is little more than a holding pattern -- instead of moving forward, they're just keeping up with their contemporaries.

give the original developers sum respect mayn.


As long as those words ain't coming from the involved,they don't mean shit.
But it's disrespectfull to not know your shit (or do research) if you write for a "official outlet"  >:(
Please keep in mind that Dre has never spoken publicly about the orgins of G-Funk or that he was the creator (to my knowledge)  ;)
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=190146.msg1971456#msg1971456
Now I didn't have a problem with that because, as I just explained to you, I was his understudy, no problem, you know what I’m saying,
you know, you give some stuff, I give some stuff, we gel together, you know what I mean?
What my problem was, when you’re addressed with it and you know ‘how did you find this new sound or whatever’, you didn’t say,
‘well, it’s this kid I worked with -- 187aka Big Hutch -- you know, so on and so on,I got the theory from him
and he never really coined the fact of where it ever came from.


Well,there you have it Dre.... remember to print that big and bold in the Detox booklet  :P :laugh:
Maybe we can finally rest and leave this behind us  :P
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Booz on September 08, 2008, 10:46:24 PM
the thing i dont like is thingz like these

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fifqxqwhldhe~T0

Above the Law's third album, Uncle Sam's Curse,
shows the Los Angeles rap crew incorporating some of Dr. Dre's sonic innovations into their basic gangsta rap sound. The group remains fine rappers and several of the tracks rank among their finest work, but the album is little more than a holding pattern -- instead of moving forward, they're just keeping up with their contemporaries.

give the original developers sum respect mayn.
Come on now. Allmusic is about rock and stuff like that. If you want some deep knowledge go to a hip hop dedicated site, these are just touching the surface.  :)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: ICHI THE KILLER on October 28, 2008, 10:00:44 AM
Above The Law presents The ATL Crime Files

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Tracklist:
File A
01.World's Best - Black Unda Ya
02.Rest Yo Neck - Madd Harv Dog
03.Kill If I Have To - Daddy Kool

File B
04.Wake Me Up - E.V.E.
05.Every Day, All Day - Enuff, Above The Law & Daddy Kool
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question:does any1 know anything about it?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on October 28, 2008, 10:39:23 AM
Above The Law presents The ATL Crime Files
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Tracklist:
File A
01.World's Best - Black Unda Ya
02.Rest Yo Neck - Madd Harv Dog
03.Kill If I Have To - Daddy Kool
File B
04.Wake Me Up - E.V.E.
05.Every Day, All Day - Enuff, Above The Law & Daddy Kool


^^^ Been looking for that for over 10 years now  :P ^^^
I googled it now.... and the boardreader came up with this;
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Started 2 years, 10 months ago (2005-12-23 07:21:00)  by dirdee
Quote: Originally Posted by Puddahmaan Sup dirdee...lol...damn man...hopefully they really re-release it one day like Damon X told us... True dat! Anyways it's good news that DJ K-OSS is released from jail. With Hutch comin home soon there's a good chance to see a new ATL album in the future
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hopefully thats real soon.
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Started 2 years, 10 months ago (2005-12-23 09:17:00)  by Codeine
Quote: Originally Posted by dirdee True dat! Anyways it's good news that DJ K-OSS is released from jail. With Hutch comin home soon there's a good chance to see a new ATL album in the future Damn.....thats cool. When was K-oss released? I can't wait for a new ATL LP. It's been almost 6 years now.
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Started 2 years, 10 months ago (2005-12-23 12:13:00)  by Silas
"hopefully they really re-release it one day like Damon X told us" they said it will be coming out... cant wait to hear some new ATL from that era Big Hutch's next album 'only god can judse me' is finished
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^^^ you need to sign up up www.siccness.net to read the whole thing  :-\  But by the looks of it they donīt have it either  :-\^^^^
Will google a little more to see if I can come up with something more....
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: ICHI THE KILLER on October 28, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
yeah i know i found that over there and yes they dont have it either :-\

ps.just found this
http://www.2tight.jp/product/2812
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Gamestarr on October 28, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
ANybody got the link to the album that is almost like the Chronic? The album Dre 'stole' ?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on October 28, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
ps.just found this
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http://www.2tight.jp/product/2812


We need some Japanese cats to help us out.... :P (to search trough Japanese sites) Damn. :-\ :P I just tried Itunes and E-Bay (no luck  :-\)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: RAIDErs of the lost ark on October 29, 2008, 08:51:21 PM
A 1991 EP was released to promote the groups sophomore album. However, by the time Vocally Pimpin was released, it had received mixed reviews. With only a scant few new songs and mostly remixes, the EP did not perform well.

It was during this time Dr, Dre was involved in a messy break up with Eazy E and Ruthless Records, and was (according to Ronin Ro's Have Gun Will Travel) contractually obliged to produce two more songs for the group. Although these songs were recorded, they were never released. It is possible the changing times at the reocrd label were responsible for the average quality of the EP.


Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on November 29, 2008, 12:03:38 AM

Kokane - Nickel Slick Nigga (video) produced by Cold187um (note that heīs throwing up the "W" already in 91, around 3.04)
http://www.youtube.com/v/3nziSeX_9PI&hl=en&fs=1

Related thread;
Who made the "W" what it was? (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=201222.0)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on December 08, 2008, 06:14:56 AM

Above The Law interview in Hip Hop Connection August 90 #19
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^^^^ note that as far back as 1990 ATL/187 was known to be ranting (They speak on Cube) :laugh: :laugh: and ohhh itīs HHCīs words not mine  ;)) ^^^
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on December 18, 2008, 05:34:44 PM

Lawhouse Experience Vol.1 review in Rap Pages October 1997 featuring Above The Law
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Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on February 12, 2009, 12:35:51 PM

Kokane; Who Am I? review in The Source Magazine October 91 #25
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Download; The Source Magazine October 91 #25 (PDF) (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZIW4H68Z)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: kuruptDPG on February 12, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
chad homie, can you up some info on above the laws time on deathrow, i knew they had an album on the works ther, can sum1 up the traklisting, interviews done at the time etc etc?

cheers
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on February 13, 2009, 08:15:35 AM
chad homie, can you up some info on above the laws time on deathrow,
i knew they had an album on the works ther, can sum1 up the traklisting, interviews done at the time etc etc?

cheers


-ehhhh,Cold 187um did a interview with a online magazine (can't remember the site) around 01-03,where he spoke on his Death Row album and what not.
Google it  ;).... If you find it,copy and paste it here  ;)

-I'm sure Kilo got the tracklist for unreleased their Death Row album,so ask him  ;)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on February 13, 2009, 11:24:02 AM

Above The Law; Vocally Pimpin review in The Source Magazine september 1991 #24
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Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on February 13, 2009, 02:50:35 PM

Above The Law; Livin like Hustlers review in The Source Magazine May 1990
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3277568782_ed80c2aa93_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on February 14, 2009, 08:57:23 AM

Above The Law; Black Mafia Life review in The Source December 1992 #39
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3454/3279254936_9908a64f2b_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: dirdee on February 14, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
does anybody know if usc was released in a longbox version? i can't remember, but since i'm from germany, i don't know for sure. maybe they removed the longboxes before shipping overseas...
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on February 24, 2009, 06:07:39 PM
anyoen got a link to "Black Mafia Life" and "Living Like hustlers"?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on March 16, 2009, 08:04:27 AM
Vocally Pimpin's also a great album


and Chad Vader, WELL OVER half the time links on this forum are dead
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on March 16, 2009, 08:15:35 AM
Vocally Pimpin's also a great album


and Chad Vader, WELL OVER half the time links on this forum are dead

Report dead links... The atl ones you asked for last still works.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on April 11, 2009, 03:48:46 PM

Found this while searching for some other shit.
Mellowman speaks on Cold187;
as far as Big Hutch aka Cold187 always whining about dre stealing from him and claiming this and that I find it pretty funny. Ain't Hutch in jail?  Believe me I have done my research about dre and i think I've talked to somebody about every dre track out there - someone who was involved or around when it was produced.  Ren and DOC have always said dre was the main producer on every nwa project.  I've talked to Mike Simms a few times and he and colin wolfe played most of the live instruments on the 100 miles and runnin ep and efil4zaggin.  Since its one of my favorite productions ever, I've talked to Mike about Real Niggaz Don't Die as he played guitar on it. he was in there when Dre was creating the track and putting in the Rare Earth sample, so I don't believe Hutch at all.  I'll take the word of mike and Dre over hutch any day. 
To be fair i have never met Hutch and I wasn't there when him and Dre were around, I just don't believe him.  I do know a lot of the Living Like Hustlers was near completion when Dre jumped in.  Dre added to the existing tracks that Cold 187 and ATL had put down.  The only 3 above the law tracks Dre produced on his own was The Last Song, Murder Rap and The What Cha Can Prove Untouchable remix.  Dre has always said the rest of the album was mostly Big Hutch.  Dre just did some additional production and added some things to make it better structured.  But if Hutch wants to let his jeolosy of Dre consume his life thats his problem.  The fact is Dre blew up and he didn't.  Hutch is no doubt a great producer, just listen to Deep Az the Root and Black Mafia Life. Good shit.  But Hutch needs to worry about saving his own life not sweat Dre's success.  As for Dre stealing his sound for the Chronic, even though they sampled some of the same p-funk artists there is a big difference in the sound of Black Mafia Life and The Chronic. In my opinion they don't sound anything like each other. If anything Dre was inspired by DJ Quik's just like Compton and Quiks groove 2 as he was working on The Chronic. 
The fact is no one will really know the truth about who produced what.  All the people who try to take credit for Dre are struggling and are bitter of his success.  I base my confidence in Dre never putting his name as producer when he actually wasn't on two things.  The biggeest is that I have worked with him for a lot of years.  When Dre puts his name as a producer of a track trust me Dre is the producer and main orchestrator. The other is that I have talked with artists and musicians who were there before i joined up with Dre.  They witnessed Dre building all those atomic bombs.  But if you want to believe Hutch, Daz and Suge Knight over dre, snoop, doc, em, cube, ren, game, nate dogg, 50, xzibit, busta, Jimmy Iovine and many others go ahead. 


Who was MellowMan and was he legit? (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185602.msg1896957#msg1896957)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on April 11, 2009, 03:57:27 PM
damn another classic atl album would be crazy but hutch aint makin the same type of heat anymore
chad, have you checked out "LIVE FROM THE GHETTO"
OR HACK, YOU CHECK THAT ALBUM OUT YET?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on April 11, 2009, 04:00:10 PM
atls dope
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on April 11, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
chad, have you checked out "LIVE FROM THE GHETTO"?


Yep;
-Cold187um; "Fresh Out The Pen" 3/5  Chad Vader's "Fresh Out The Pen" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1937490#msg1937490)
+
Chad Vader's 2008 review links (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=193717.msg2071208#msg2071208)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on April 11, 2009, 04:09:59 PM
i heard fresh out the pen and real talk, that album is wack especially as far as the production
but damn live from the ghetto is fresh for real
"state of emergency" is bangin
that album gets mad play from me to this day along wit all their other albums



chad, have you checked out "LIVE FROM THE GHETTO"?


Yep;
-Cold187um; "Fresh Out The Pen" 3/5  Chad Vader's "Fresh Out The Pen" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1937490#msg1937490)
+
Chad Vader's 2008 review links (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=193717.msg2071208#msg2071208)

Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Mietek23 on April 12, 2009, 02:19:56 AM
chad homie, can you up some info on above the laws time on deathrow,
i knew they had an album on the works ther, can sum1 up the traklisting, interviews done at the time etc etc?

cheers


-ehhhh,Cold 187um did a interview with a online magazine (can't remember the site) around 01-03,where he spoke on his Death Row album and what not.
Google it  ;).... If you find it,copy and paste it here  ;)

-I'm sure Kilo got the tracklist for unreleased their Death Row album,so ask him  ;)


They were supposed to drop an album called "Diary Of A Drug Dealer" on Tha Row back in 2001... I read some interviews with Hutch where he said that the album was never finished and they recorded only a couple tracks for it but I think it's bullshit - they prolly recorded enough songs to put an album out but only 2 of them were leaked, "Cheers" and "Let It Be Known" [not in full tho]. I also heard that KMG recorded a 6-tracks EP that was supposed to come out before their album as a way of promotion but don't know that for sure, may be a rumor tho...

Kilo have you ever heard of it?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: bigpimpin20 on April 12, 2009, 04:45:49 AM
^^^
KMG released his EP; ear candy trough www.MP3.com .


you meant this one? ---> http://www.zshare.net/audio/58538153313228af/

(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/448/earkandy.jpg)

so its from ATLs Dead Hoe days?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on April 12, 2009, 05:25:44 AM
^^^
KMG released his EP; ear candy trough www.MP3.com

this one? --->
www.zshare.net/audio/58538153313228af/
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/448/earkandy.jpg)

so its from ATLs Dead Hoe days?

yep,that's the one.
Title: Re: Finally heard Black Mafia Life
Post by: Chad Vader on April 14, 2009, 07:14:07 AM
What I Heard Is:
Pac Was In The Studio When NWA Were Recording Niggaz4Life,So Was Kokane,Is That True?

YES!

Here's the part where Kokane talks about hanging with Pac while NWA recorded Niggaz4Life;
http://www.youtube.com/v/QW8NVoMHgl0&rel

This interview appears on the;
Tha Westside (2002) DVD
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517QA77B91L._AA240_.jpg)
you can order it from Amazon;
http://www.amazon.com/Tha-Westside-Mopreme/dp/B00006LPDN/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1374017-3992708?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194809015&sr=1-1


Dirty Red Speaks on Pac chilling in the studio while NWA recorded Niggaz4Life (http://www.mediafire.com/?mruz2zwycy4)

Rest of the Dirty Red interview here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150824.msg2148940#msg2148940)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on April 17, 2009, 05:29:40 PM
ANOTHER EXEQUTION is a great track
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: 3331 on April 17, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
can anybody hook up cheers?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Robert Smalls on April 17, 2009, 06:31:57 PM
Atl go hard and harder than most of the so called westcoast og's..I remember they dissed snoop with on kokanes cd
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Dre-Day on April 18, 2009, 01:45:33 AM
Atl go hard and harder than most of the so called westcoast og's..I remember they dissed snoop with on kokanes cd
you're right, some members event went to jail
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: MY FIRST LOVE WAS HIP HOP on April 18, 2009, 03:36:54 AM
whoa, i been sleeping! Just got my hands on "sex,money and music" .. dope album  :o
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on May 04, 2009, 04:36:28 PM
chad i cant remember, have you checked out live from the ghetto-big hutch seconds album?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on May 04, 2009, 06:57:48 PM
chad i cant remember, have you checked out live from the ghetto-big hutch seconds album?


sure,what about it?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on May 04, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
oh nuthin haha i jus cant enuff of that bangin album
"state of emergency" is crazy
what would you say is that sample, im guessin some sort of rock sample
and what you think of the album?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on May 04, 2009, 07:09:15 PM
satellite niggaz remix is from thug law vol 1
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Dre-Day on May 05, 2009, 12:38:55 AM
oh nuthin haha i jus cant enuff of that bangin album
"state of emergency" is crazy
what would you say is that sample, im guessin some sort of rock sample
and what you think of the album?
yeah, too bad that hutch chose to sing the hook  :P
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: macadomusic on May 05, 2009, 01:36:06 AM
can somebody hook me up with Legends. Thats one of the most well put together CDS EVER!!!!!!!!! Classic IMO
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: kuruptDPG on May 05, 2009, 02:19:18 AM

the OG is fire... so check out the remix  ;)



can you up the og please?

Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on May 05, 2009, 04:14:37 AM

Big Syke; Be Yo Self
(http://www.undergroundwestcoastrap.com/bigsykecover2.jpg)
Above The Law and Big Syke; Satelite Niggaz (Guitar - Bass;James Strong,Greg Cook) (http://www.mediafire.com/?dttnmtjj00g)
^^^^^^^^^
the OG is fire...



now check out the remix;  ;)
Thug Law - Thug Life Outlawz Chapter 1 (2001)
(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL688/6387531/12421886/262944091.jpg)
Big Syke; Satellite Niggaz (Remix) feat. Above The Law (http://www.mediafire.com/?uf2tkn1mqml)

satellite niggaz remix is from thug law vol 1


thanks for the info  ;)




Big Syke; Be Yo Self
(http://www.undergroundwestcoastrap.com/bigsykecover2.jpg)
Above The Law and Big Syke; Satelite Niggaz OG  (Guitar - Bass;James Strong,Greg Cook) (http://www.mediafire.com/?dttnmtjj00g)
^^^^^^^^^
the OG is fire...



can you up the og please?


 ;) ^^^^^
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on May 06, 2009, 04:18:59 PM
haha well i was feelin it, IMO its dope wit him doin the hook
im tryna figure out who could have done it better, but that song is BANGIN



oh nuthin haha i jus cant enuff of that bangin album
"state of emergency" is crazy
what would you say is that sample, im guessin some sort of rock sample
and what you think of the album?
yeah, too bad that hutch chose to sing the hook  :P
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Dre-Day on May 06, 2009, 11:35:46 PM
haha well i was feelin it, IMO its dope wit him doin the hook
im tryna figure out who could have done it better, but that song is BANGIN



oh nuthin haha i jus cant enuff of that bangin album
"state of emergency" is crazy
what would you say is that sample, im guessin some sort of rock sample
and what you think of the album?
yeah, too bad that hutch chose to sing the hook  :P
ok, but he didn't sing properly
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on May 07, 2009, 11:01:07 AM
satellite niggaz remix is better than the OG but the OG is more sourful
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: kuruptDPG on May 07, 2009, 01:39:46 PM
satellite niggaz remix is better than the OG but the OG is more sourful


I prefer the OG,love the guitar... just my opinion  :P ;)


same, the og is sick
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: dirdee on June 06, 2009, 08:49:53 AM
i miss let it be known... but good post, thx
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Rudki on June 08, 2009, 05:21:25 AM
some good tracks on that EP, just wish it was out on the net about 6 years ago when I was hot on my ATL collection, nonetheless good to hear this stuff !!

Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 08, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
yeah i mean im more into the production and thats the dopest song on it
still this albums shits on that fresh out the pen shit he dropped




haha well i was feelin it, IMO its dope wit him doin the hook
im tryna figure out who could have done it better, but that song is BANGIN



oh nuthin haha i jus cant enuff of that bangin album
"state of emergency" is crazy
what would you say is that sample, im guessin some sort of rock sample
and what you think of the album?
yeah, too bad that hutch chose to sing the hook  :P
ok, but he didn't sing properly
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Dre-Day on June 09, 2009, 01:06:43 AM
yeah i mean im more into the production and thats the dopest song on it
still this albums shits on that fresh out the pen shit he dropped




haha well i was feelin it, IMO its dope wit him doin the hook
im tryna figure out who could have done it better, but that song is BANGIN



oh nuthin haha i jus cant enuff of that bangin album
"state of emergency" is crazy
what would you say is that sample, im guessin some sort of rock sample
and what you think of the album?
yeah, too bad that hutch chose to sing the hook  :P
ok, but he didn't sing properly

oh i agree with you  ;)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Rudki on June 09, 2009, 10:13:06 AM
feeelin that 'everywhere i go' og alot!

'everywhere i go , they like Fuck You Hutch..''
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: 3331 on June 09, 2009, 10:27:25 AM
Above The Law - Death Row E.P
1. Sex Money and Music (Death Row Remix)
2. Cheese
3. Everywhere I Go (Og Version)
4. Gutta (Demo, Different Outro) feat Kokane
5. Interlude
6. Thats The Sound (Eazy-E Dedication)
7. Life (OG Version, Different Chrous) feat Kokane
8. 2 Killaz (Remix) feat Xzibit BONUS
9. Jackin' 4 Beats 2000 BONUS

Now with ID3 tags;
Above The Law - Death Row E.P (http://www.mediafire.com/?nioghmmziyg)

where did this come from :o???
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: bigpimpin20 on June 19, 2009, 07:50:19 PM
Any news on ATL? Fresh Out The Pen was dope but i think Hutch lost that "hipnotic" clinic sound, aint KMG supossed to release some new shit?

ps.Did ATL and Kokane had some in family beef in the past? Koke wasn't on Legends and ATL wasnt on his 3rd LP They Call Me Mr.Kane
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 19, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
IMO fresh out the pen was trash compared to live from the ghetto
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: bigpimpin20 on June 20, 2009, 02:35:04 AM
IMO fresh out the pen was trash compared to live from the ghetto
and live from the ghetto was trash compare to executive decisions
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 20, 2009, 08:51:35 AM
well IMO it wasnt trash but to each is own mos def a bangin album id say but they light years ahead of fresh out the pen for real,that album is wack lol



IMO fresh out the pen was trash compared to live from the ghetto
and live from the ghetto was trash compare to executive decisions
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Moe on June 20, 2009, 06:24:41 PM
atlanta>>>>above the law
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on June 25, 2009, 10:28:47 AM

bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement made this cover for Above The Lawīs Death Row Bootleg  ;)
Prop him  ;) ;) ;)


once again not much to work with on this one so i kept it simple like most of their album covers..i'm bad to misspell stuff so if you see any problems let me know

front
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/llimpalass/atlfrontcopy.jpg)

front/back
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/llimpalass/deathrowfrontback-1.jpg)

back
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/llimpalass/atlbackcopy-1.jpg)

Above The Law - Death Row E.P
1. Sex Money and Music (Death Row Remix)
2. Cheese
3. Everywhere I Go (Og Version)
4. Gutta (Demo, Different Outro) feat Kokane
5. Interlude
6. Thats The Sound (Eazy-E Dedication)
7. Life (OG Version, Different Chorus) feat Kokane
8. 2 Killaz (Remix) feat Xzibit BONUS
9. Jackin' 4 Beats 2000 BONUS

Now with ID3 tags;
Above The Law - Death Row E.P (http://www.mediafire.com/?nioghmmziyg)

where did this come from :o???


Read this (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=220456.msg2225755#msg2225755) and check updated links here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=186775.msg2229553#msg2229553)


Any news on ATL? ain't KMG supposed to release some new shit?

there's new tracks on their myspace (http://www.myspace.com/vinloco)

Quote
Did ATL and Kokane have some family beef in the past?

they fell out at one point,can't remember why though.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on July 20, 2009, 05:41:05 PM
they was featured on Kokanes 2nd cd on track Shit Goddamn
and on
Mo Thugs III-The Mothership compilation
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21N8X4V2JDL._SL110_.jpg)
on the songs;
Black Hole Of Watts; Gunline & Down Fom The Start. (http://www.mediafire.com/?trzjlfdttmw)

anybody got more info on them?


nope,but thanx for the tracks  ;)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on July 20, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
aite was or is that death row bootleg a release?
as in was it ever intended to be a release?
basically whats the deal wit this album?
(isnt that xzibit song from big hutch first album?)
and when were atl signed to suge?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: 2euce 7even on July 21, 2009, 01:24:24 AM
IMO fresh out the pen was trash compared to live from the ghetto
and live from the ghetto was trash compare to executive decisions

so?what do we learn?OLD MUSIC IS (ALWAYS) BETTA THAN NEW ONE.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: 2euce 7even on July 21, 2009, 01:28:39 AM
aite was or is that death row bootleg a release?
as in was it ever intended to be a release?
basically whats the deal wit this album?
(isnt that xzibit song from big hutch first album?)
and when were atl signed to suge?

i guess its a little taste of "Diary Of A Drug Dealer"- album what they should drop on death row.
yes "2 killaz" is from cold187īs 1st album, but its a remix.
atl were signed 2 death row around tha time when "UTEOT" and "TG4R" dropped.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: westside159 on July 21, 2009, 01:41:49 AM
Man i cant find Above The Law -  Uncle Sam's Curse album  nowhere , they dont even sell it in stores , and you cant even order the album .   im gonna find a way to get it though , i luv that CD .
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on July 25, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
anyone know anything bout this
"The Tilt"

posed to be a above the law album or something on rutheless?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: ZeroCoolio on July 26, 2009, 03:14:00 AM
"Vocally Pimpin" [EP] is bangin !!! spin it many times  8)

4 the funk of it - fav. joint of this album

"Wicked" track was dope & funny :

"...fuck Arizona & the people who run it..."
LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: ZeroCoolio on July 26, 2009, 06:19:52 PM
i've got question about "Los-Angeles" song [1996]. could you reply?
hmm, 3min.:08sec. in dat track dude rappin', he's sounding like... man from "BrownSide"  :o [chicano group] Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: LooN3y on July 26, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
i've got question about "Los-Angeles" song [1996]. could you reply?
hmm, 3min.:08sec. in dat track dude rappin', he's sounding like... man from "BrownSide"  :o [chicano group] Am I wrong?

probaly is, brownside was signed with ruthless and so was atl at the time (i think or they were on the same parent label)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: westside159 on July 27, 2009, 12:44:39 AM
Best Above The Law Album = Uncle Sam's Curse    8) 8) 8) 8)     
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Moe on October 29, 2009, 04:34:04 PM
atlanta>>>>above the law
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: One2free on December 05, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: CaughtUp on December 06, 2009, 02:19:19 AM
i've got question about "Los-Angeles" song [1996]. could you reply?
hmm, 3min.:08sec. in dat track dude rappin', he's sounding like... man from "BrownSide"  :o [chicano group] Am I wrong?

i think u mean frost, im pretty sure thats the other guy on that track
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 08, 2009, 11:09:33 AM
damn i cant find that source anymore chad
your the atl expert tho..lol
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on December 08, 2009, 07:50:31 PM
anyone know anything bout this
"The Tilt"
posed to be a Above The Law album or something on Ruthless?


Never heard of it.
Got a source? (link and/or scan)  ;)


damn i cant find that source anymore chad
your the atl expert tho..lol


-You got the title name wrong
-Mixed the title name up with another album
-you dreamed about it  :laugh:

.. in other words I have never heard of it,  ;)
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 16, 2009, 05:50:04 PM
nah im sure bout it ima look for it

what you feel bout tha new atl joint tho?
shits not too bad imo
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 17, 2009, 05:44:38 PM
its cool
damn i want that adventures of.. atl
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 17, 2009, 05:52:11 PM
nah thats a song they did chad...come on chad...lol
that hook is cold wit the female singin



its cool
damn i want that adventures of.. atl


?
You mean Above The Law presents Crime Files (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg2017753#msg2017753)?

Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on December 17, 2009, 05:57:39 PM
its cool
damn i want that adventures of.. atl


?
You mean Above The Law presents Crime Files (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg2017753#msg2017753)?



nah thats a song they did chad...come on chad...lol
that hook is cold wit the female singin


You're confusing me.... just bump their Legends album  :P
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 17, 2009, 06:34:46 PM
nah im sayin that was a dope song they made back in tha day..one of their best IMO especially since they havent done nuthin pretty much since
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: 2euce 7even on December 18, 2009, 03:52:43 AM
this thead is west coast history lesson man :D
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: BigNeckBone on December 19, 2009, 08:13:21 AM
New Cold187um interview on AllHiphop.com  Above The Law's Cold 187um: From Ruthless to Redemption   http://www.allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2009/12/19/22071574.aspx
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: dirdee on December 19, 2009, 08:25:55 AM
thx for the link but i can't stand these questions any more. always the same bullshit bout dre and him, who invented g-funk and so on. not a word about the upcoming album or anything present.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on December 19, 2009, 11:27:59 AM
New Cold187um interview on AllHiphop.com
Above The Law's Cold 187um: From Ruthless to Redemption
http://www.allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2009/12/19/22071574.aspx
By Jay Williams of BeatDynasty.com

In the late 80s and early 90s, Ruthless Records was a premier label for Hip-Hop, especially on the West Coast. With the emergence of Eazy-E, and N.W.A., the label produced the rawest form of Hip-Hop ever presented at that time.

Instrumental in that movement was Above The Law, on of the groups on the iconic label. Consisting of Cold 187um, K.M.G., Go Mack, and Total K-Oss, the group was a self-contained unit of lyrics, production, and DJ'ing. Cold 187um was one lyricist as well as the main producer behind the group's funk-laced sound. Even though  Dr. Dre received most of the production credit for their first LP, Livin' Like Hustlers, 187 says the group laid the foundation to what has become a string of Platinum, and Gold status albums.

Although Cold 187um reached a level in the industry that most of us only dream about, he was convicted in 2004 of conspiring to traffic 100 pounds of marijuana and served 105 weeks in a federal institution.

The time spent in prison did not sour 187's view on the world of music he flourished in. He does however have a story to tell from his perspective. Now, the South Central don has a fresh start on life, and new insight on the trends in music. Cold 187um took time out to discuss his views on the current state of Hip-Hop as well as his views on the legendary Dr. Dre.

AllHipHop.com: Do you feel like the that artistry has disappeared from rap while you were in jail?

Cold 187um: One thing that's missing in Hip-Hop is people putting themselves out there. Everybody bases it on the statistics or the masses, or the latest instead of saying, "This is how I feel about it." I think as an artist, I can paint the picture and still entertain. Everybody can't do that. It's because of what I've been through in my life, being a hustler, and getting into the music industry, falling, and getting back up that I have something to say. Also being a veteran as well. I have a lot to say from my point of view because I saw a lot.

AllHipHop.com: Where do you think that disconnect came with old and new school?

Cold 187um: What happens with a lot of G-cats is that they'll say, "Young people don't have nothing to say." They do, but they just don't know how to do it because they're young. Instead of them looking at us and embracing us, we have to start talking to each other in order to be a bigger and better industry. For me, I try to talk to people instead of at people. I'm not a teacher, I'm not a preacher, I'm a hustler, and I've been through some stuff from a real side of life. I want to tell people something that will help them. I think it's very important to put yourself on the record, as yourself, if you've been through something. If you're a fake mother f***er that's looking outside the s**t, you shouldn't talk about it.

AllHipHop.com: So what in your opinion is the major problem in Hip-Hop?

Cold 187um: Some of it to me is surface level. A lot of it is about the tennis shoes, the chain, the car, the b***h with the big booty. A lot of it has a little substance, but it started becoming just about that. It didn't have a balance. Hip-Hop has always been about bling, girls, and shining. It's just that in the beginning, you had diversity. You had people talking about bling, other people talking about political s**t, certain people talking gangster s**t, and a certain amount talking the abstract s**t. The beautiful part of Hip-Hop is that we're the only form of music that can have one form and have all these types of styles in it. It doesn't turn into something else. That was the beautiful part about the industry that was built. When I looked at what cats were doing, I found the problem. It's not it's bad, it's just that only one aspect. It's not like in the 80s you could go from De La Soul to N.W.A.

AllHipHop.com: Livin' Like Hustlers was easily one of the best, well put together, albums on Ruthless Records. That album took you through a journey.

Cold 187um: We were one of the first groups that got banned talking from a real perspective. We were the ones who got banned for saying some real s**t to youngsters.

AllHipHop.com: Switching gears to the production, many don't know that you were instrumental in the production of that album. Even though Dr. Dre is listed as the producer, what was your contribution?

Cold 187um: I brought Livin' Like Hustlers to Ruthless Records done. The whole blueprint to Livin' Like Hustlers was done. I had 75 percent of that record done. All me and Dre did was reproduced it because it was done on eight and sixteen track on the demo. We went and took every sample that I used, every groove that I used, and re-cut everything. To me, Dre was more of an engineer on that aspect of the album. Now there were songs that we produced together were like "Freedom of Speech," "The Last Song," "Kickin' Lyrics," and I think "Another Execution." Everything else was done. I learned a lot about making Hip-Hop records from Dre. The thing about it was people don't know that because I allowed myself to learn at that level. The theory, the production, the creation; I was just as much a part of it as Dre was. Dre didn't hold my hand. Above The Law's concept and the things we rapped about was already done.

AllHipHop.com: Do you think that hurt you in hindsight to allow Dre to take the credit for it?

Cold 187um: Definitely. It's a bittersweet thing. It's just like saying if you become and understudy or and intern for somebody and it blows up. Then that person wins from it, but you're in the game now. So yeah it hurt me, but it helped me a lot. It enabled me to have the great knowledge that I have now about making records. It was free, I didn't have to go to college for it. I'm Dr. Dre's understudy, but I don't get the credit. People don't know that when It comes to doing all [the production] I'm sharp as he is. I was taught by him, how to make records.

AllHipHop.com: You coined yourself "The originator of the G-Funk style" and you guys were doing that type of production right after Dre left Ruthless.

Cold 187um: You gotta realize that Black Mafia Life was cut before The Chronic. Black Mafia Life was cut when N***az For Life (Efil4zaggin)was cut. There's no conception of The Chronic during this era. The thing that happened was we were in a transition leaving Sony to go to Warner Brothers. The Chronic came out [in stores] before Black Mafia Life. But it was done, when N***az for Life was wrapped. When you run them next to each other, The Chronic is more of Hip-Hop funky album. Black Mafia Life is a funk album. It's a straight gooney, ill, dark, grim, parliament meets Isaac Hayes meets Willie Hutch meets the Isley Brothers meets Above The Law.

AllHipHop.com: So what does that say about Dre and his claim on the G-Funk style?

Cold 187um: Dre did take, and was influenced by the things that I was doing at Ruthless Records. I don't care what nobody says. Even he would tell you. That's why he took me under his wing. It was taken from me, used, and it was ran with. I benefited none from it. I ended up being the guy in the middle of the room trying to convince everybody that I'm the guy that put it into place.

AllHipHop.com: A lot of producers were saying that Dre does take talented producer's ideas at times.

Cold 187um: The whole thing about it is that I'm a real musician. To me it is about giving. I didn't have a problem with him trying things that I did or any of that. Here's my problem. When you don't get on TV and say " I was influenced by this person or that person." I don't like when you don't pay homage to the guys that you get it from. That's what I don't like. I love Dre. I don't have no problems with Dre. He's talented, he's not wack, he's not a sucker or any of that s**t. My whole point is give me mines homey. I respect what you do, and what you did for me. Dre helped me dog. I don't like what he does as far as West Coast Hip-Hop is concerned. I don't like how he turned his cheek and went the other way. But, I can't say nothing about him as a producer and what he's able to do.

AllHipHop.com: So, you feel Dre turned his back on the West?

Cold 187um: I know where we all come from so I can say that. You're not [helping people out] so to me you're not doing enough. That doesn't make you wack or nothing, that's just the decision and the position that you want to play in the game you're in. Cool! It makes you more so look like you're a person that will leave the ghetto but when the ghetto needs help, you won't go build a community center for the kids. It's not the time for us to be like that.

AllHipHop.com: What's your impression of West Coast Hip-Hop now?

Cold 187um: I think the West Coast Hip-Hop is suffering because we don't have a support system. The saddest thing I realized when I got home was the "West Side Wednesday" on a West Side radio station. When I was down South they played Southern music all day, and then had like a West Coast hour. I respect that. I come home and I should hear West Coast all day. That's how it should be. I think because of that, a lot of us aren't inspired to do us anymore. A lot of us end up wondering and second guessing ourselves. We end up acting like something that we're not. Game is great and Snoop is phenomenal. I hear people disrespect artists where we come from for no reason.

AllHipHop.com: Yeah, when I was coming up, we loved West Coast Hip-Hop. We would learn about L.A. life without actually having to go there.

Cold 187um: That's the beauty of Hip-Hop. How you gonna tell me to switch it up when all the other places are being like themselves? Hip-Hop is about moving people in other places but how you do it where you're from. It's about being relevant everywhere else, but you're doing it how you do it. It's no fun if you come to L.A. and hang out with me and hear the same thing you've been hearing in New York.

AllHipHop.com: How influential was Eazy-E's death to the decline of the West Coast?

Cold 187um: You gotta realize, Eazy had a real love for the music. But he wasn't a music person, he was a business man. You can tell a person like Dre loves the money, because he'll jump on whatever is happening. Eazy found groups like Above The Law, Bone Thugs N Harmony, a few of the Black Eyed Peas. He signed a lot of people based on how he felt about what they were doing. When you lose that, hell yeah, it was a nose dive. Death Row was at it's point going down. When Dre moved on and did Aftermath, he really didn't have any concern. There's a reason why East Coast rap still has an industry. When Russell Simmons was at that breaking point, Puffy emerged, then Rocafella came, then Murder Inc. A lot of those guys cared about East Coast music. [The West Coast] had two conglomerates. One dismantled [Ruthless Records] and one got taken over by somebody's wife [Eazy-E's wife] and it was never seen again.


AllHipHop.com: Yeah but that was when they had ownership over the music right?

Cold 187um: The thing when you talk about the West Coast is that we don't have that pride no more. I do, but us as an industry don't. When Rap-A-Lot was at it's height, a lot of other labels came out of the South through the emergence of them. Nobody out here on the West Coast protected the legacy of a Eazy-E, Ice-T, N.W.A. There's a few of us who try to preserve it. I'm not going to sugar coat it for the West. It's like when anything gets bad everybody goes for themselves. You can't give your record to a DJ out here and him just support it because you're from the West. You got to have Akon, T-Pain, or these type artists on it in order for them to say it means something. But guess what, they ain't from Compton, Long Beach, or Los Angeles.

AllHipHop.com: Do you think the West coast music is coming back around though?

Cold 187um: Life is full circle. Other people will come back and bring that real along. There has to be a cause and effect. It has to be put out there with truth in it. Some people have to get real about what they stand for.

AllHipHop.com: When you say truth in it, do you think that's lost in the music?

Cold 187um: As Hip-Hop artists are we just allowing people to believe our bulls**t? I'm a ex-con. I'm not proud of it. Those were the worst times of my f***ing life. I don't get up there and brag about being a tough guy, when all I did was hurt everyday and miss my family. I was a angry motherf***er everyday. That's not fly. But understand one thing; if your Mom is on crack, the block is one solution, it's not the solution.


 People get on TV and advertise about the block and how tough they are and ain't never did a day in the streets. Stop lyin' and tell then your raps are just like Scarface the movie. Tell em' you're talking about somebody else's life. Drug dealing ain't fly. I've been in fights, shoot outs, and been indicted. Shining was good. I liked throwing five or ten stacks on the table for some nice hot jewels. But, sitting in that box for it, I hated it. That's a part of it. So if you're looking to get into it because the rapper is doing it, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. We need to always be real. But we also have a duty to stand up and tell why conditions are like that.
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 19, 2009, 10:38:40 PM
damn chad hat new atl joint is fresh...thats some westcoast shit
sounds dope and str8 westcoast
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Dre-Day on December 20, 2009, 01:48:19 AM
New Cold187um interview on AllHiphop.com  Above The Law's Cold 187um: From Ruthless to Redemption  http://www.allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2009/12/19/22071574.aspx
LOL at cold187um  :loser:
the tone has changed, but the message is still the same  :laugh:
STILL whining about credit  :rant:
the interviewer sucks as well.

-how did Dre take credit, when Dre, laylaw & cold187um are listed as producers for Livin' like hustlers
-when did Dre claim the g-funk creation?
he only claimed (indirectly) that he put it on the map, which is true.
-how was Dre heavily influenced by Cold187um?
i find that a silly claim. i'm not saying that Dre wasn't influenced by him at all, as i wasn't there, but i'm sure that there are others who've had a much bigger influence on Dre.
-how did Dre abandon the west coast? he's been a pioneer from the start. his music has always been universal; maybe with aftermath, even more than before, but still.
-why is it Dre's responsibility to build a west coast powerhouse? Dre has done so much for (west coast) hip hop, it's not even funny. cold187um has yet to do all that.
Dre is not a sugardaddy, it's time for others to put the wheels in motion.
-what has Cold187um done for (west coast) hip hop in the past several years?
-how does Cold187um know that Dre doesn't help 'the ghetto' or even spend money on charity on general?
-why is is Dre's responsibility to help 'the ghetto'
-what has Cold187um done to help 'the ghetto'?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on December 20, 2009, 04:12:23 AM
Above The Law feat Tha Chill from Compton's Most Wanted; Doing My Thang (off their new album Reloaded,coming 2010)
http://usershare.net/kiw3xx90lldk

what you feel bout tha new atl joint tho?
shits not too bad imo


Alright...


damn chad hat new atl joint is fresh...thats some westcoast shit
sounds dope and str8 westcoast


The on beat it reminds of that Bishop joint that goes something like;
2Pac died,Dr.Dre is retiring...
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 20, 2009, 11:41:32 PM
i dont know chad....all i know is its bangin and its fresh
its str8 westcoastin type of muzik but its fresh and sounds new.....before someone says all we listen to is gang bang muzik or gangsta rap
this is fresh
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 22, 2009, 10:09:03 PM
damn maybe chad you can help me here
but i cant remember who as the similiar soundin song that sounds like above the law's doin my thang
remember any song that sounds like that?
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: kuruptDPG on December 23, 2009, 03:52:01 AM
damn maybe chad you can help me here
but i cant remember who as the similiar soundin song that sounds like above the law's doin my thang
remember any song that sounds like that?

nipsy hussle ft. snoop dogg - gangsta life or whatever its called?

christian aguilera ft. lil kim - ? lol you'd probs be like wtf but it does kinda sound same
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on December 23, 2009, 07:30:25 AM
a lil bit like the nipsey song but i still think theres another song out there that sounds more like the atl song
damn but that atl song is dope and fresh with the sound





damn maybe chad you can help me here
but i cant remember who as the similiar soundin song that sounds like above the law's doin my thang
remember any song that sounds like that?

nipsy hussle ft. snoop dogg - gangsta life or whatever its called?

christian aguilera ft. lil kim - ? lol you'd probs be like wtf but it does kinda sound same
Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: Chad Vader on February 01, 2010, 05:38:20 PM
Quote

Above The Law on Conspiracy Radio - By : Mil - January 24, 2010
http://www.dubcnn.com/
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/abovethelaw03.jpg)

Big Hutch aka Cold 187um & KMG of the legendary west coast super-group Above The Law showed up on
Mista Montana’s Conspiracy Worldwide Radio Friday Night Show (http://conspiracyworldwide.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-01-23T07_11_22-08_00)
in the U.K. to deliver an interview of classic proportions.
Cold 187um and KMG take us on a candid journey through their career, citing the realities, the pains, but most importantly - the reasons why they single-handedly changed the soundscape of westcoast music.

They offer raw accounts of such sensitive topics as the passing of Eazy E, Suge Knight, Dr. Dre, The Chronic and of course their brand-new album, set for release this summer. These guys are written in the history books of hip-hop, but only get a paragraph when they deserve their own page; hopefully, this interview will help to increase people's awareness.

Mista Montana’s Conspiracy Worldwide Radio Friday Night Show (http://conspiracyworldwide.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-01-23T07_11_22-08_00)

Title: Re: Official ATL thread(Above the Law, Not Atlanta)
Post by: kuruptDPG on February 02, 2010, 02:29:43 AM
has above the law - let it be known leaked in full?