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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on August 09, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
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Remember everyone, Islamophobia is the biggest plague in the world today.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186557401034&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Saudis might take Bibles from tourists
By MICHAEL FREUND
Despite a series of initiatives aimed at generating foreign tourism, the Saudi Arabian government continues to bar Jews and Christians from bringing items such as Bibles, crucifixes and Stars of David into the country and is threatening to confiscate them on sight, The Jerusalem Post has learned.
"A number of items are not allowed to be brought into the kingdom due to religious reasons and local regulations," declares the Web site of Saudi Arabian Airlines, the country's national carrier.
After informing would-be visitors that items such as narcotics, firearms and pornography may not be transported into the country, the Web site adds: "Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are also prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others."
Contacted by the Post, an employee of Saudi Arabian Airlines in New York, who would only give her name as Gladys, confirmed this rule was in force. "Yes, sir," she said, "that is what we have heard, that it is a problem to bring these things into Saudi Arabia, so you cannot do it."
An official at the Saudi Consulate in New York, who declined to give her name, told the Post that anyone bringing a Bible into the country or wearing a crucifix or Star of David around their neck would run into trouble with Saudi authorities.
"You are not allowed to bring that stuff into the kingdom," the consular official said. "If you do, they will take it away," she warned, adding, "If it is really important to you, then you can try to bring it and just see what happens, but I don't recommend that you do so."
Asked to explain the policy, the official said, "Every country has rules about what can or cannot enter."
Over the summer, the Saudi government-run Supreme Commission for Tourism announced a number of steps, such as issuing group visas to foreigners through tour operators and granting longer entry visas, in the hopes of boosting the number of foreign tourists to 1.5 million annually by 2020.
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I support this 100%
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I support this 100%
So do I, except that I also think anyone who violates this policy should have their hands chopped off.
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"Every country has rules about what can or cannot enter."
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I support this 100%
"Every country has rules about what can or cannot enter."
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lmao, just segregate yourselfs some more...
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J @ M @ L
why u support this?
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J @ M @ L
why u support this?
Cause it's funny when a Protestant cracker gets his hands chopped off, that's why.
RUF is the future! Fuck with us and we take your hands!
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Remember everyone, Islamophobia is the biggest plague in the world today.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186557401034&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Saudis might take Bibles from tourists
By MICHAEL FREUND
Despite a series of initiatives aimed at generating foreign tourism, the Saudi Arabian government continues to bar Jews and Christians from bringing items such as Bibles, crucifixes and Stars of David into the country and is threatening to confiscate them on sight, The Jerusalem Post has learned.
"A number of items are not allowed to be brought into the kingdom due to religious reasons and local regulations," declares the Web site of Saudi Arabian Airlines, the country's national carrier.
After informing would-be visitors that items such as narcotics, firearms and pornography may not be transported into the country, the Web site adds: "Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are also prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others."
Contacted by the Post, an employee of Saudi Arabian Airlines in New York, who would only give her name as Gladys, confirmed this rule was in force. "Yes, sir," she said, "that is what we have heard, that it is a problem to bring these things into Saudi Arabia, so you cannot do it."
An official at the Saudi Consulate in New York, who declined to give her name, told the Post that anyone bringing a Bible into the country or wearing a crucifix or Star of David around their neck would run into trouble with Saudi authorities.
"You are not allowed to bring that stuff into the kingdom," the consular official said. "If you do, they will take it away," she warned, adding, "If it is really important to you, then you can try to bring it and just see what happens, but I don't recommend that you do so."
Asked to explain the policy, the official said, "Every country has rules about what can or cannot enter."
Over the summer, the Saudi government-run Supreme Commission for Tourism announced a number of steps, such as issuing group visas to foreigners through tour operators and granting longer entry visas, in the hopes of boosting the number of foreign tourists to 1.5 million annually by 2020.
please stop posting in this forum
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150733.0
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no duh they'd do this, it's a country full of jabronis
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Saudi Arabia can do whatever the fuck it wants, your beloved u.s government is supporting it.
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Saudi Arabia can do whatever the fuck it wants, your beloved u.s government is supporting it.
Good point. If it wasn't for America, everyone knows that Saudi Arabia would be a bastion of human rights, democracy, and religious freedom. Just like the rest of the Islamic world.
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Good point. If it wasn't for America, everyone knows that Saudi Arabia would be a bastion of human rights, democracy, and religious freedom. Just like the rest of the Islamic world.
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Actually that's somewhat true. If you go back 100 years before the Western powers overtook the Muslim world, you will find that the Ottoman Empire which ran the Middle East, had an official policy was of human rights, equality amongst races (in fact foriegners were often given more privileges under the law then citizens in what was called "Capitulations", at their chambers of government their were 14 different languages being spoken by 10 different races), and religious freedom (Christians and Jews even held many seats in the government).
As for Democracy, they had a constitutional democracy for voting for the chambers of government and parliment, and this constitutional democracy had so much authority that in 1909 they even voted to depose the Sultan! Which in fact, by the way, that was Sultan Abdul-Hameed who goes down in history as the last great Kalifah (Islamic world leader). The Kalif-Sultan's that would follow for the next 15 years held a position similar to the Royal Family in Britian, where it had become a tradition but the real power was shared in the Parliment and chambers of government.
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Actually that's somewhat true. If you go back 100 years before the Western powers overtook the Muslim world, you will find that the Ottoman Empire's policy was one of human rights, equality amongst races (in fact foriegners were given more privileges under the law then citizens in what was called "Capitulations"), and religious freedom.
wow, that sounds like England these days. lol
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wow, that sounds like England these days. lol
Islamic doctrine teaches equality amongst the races, it's stated clearly in Qu'ran, and Muslims were offering freedom of religion long before Christians were. As far back as the 8th Century Jews were fleeing persecution from Christians in Europe and travelling to regions administered by Muslims such as Spain where they were allowed religious freedom and privilege.
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by the way, it was Britian that put the Saudi family in power in the first place after World War 1. They were the handpicked leaders.
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^i have altered my post. the bold bit is what i was refering to.
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Islamic doctrine teaches equality amongst the races, it's stated clearly in Qu'ran, and Muslims were offering freedom of religion long before Christians were. As far back as the 8th Century Jews were fleeing persecution from Christians in Europe and travelling to regions administered by Muslims such as Spain where they were allowed religious freedom and privilege.
Then why do no Muslim nations currently allow religious freedom?? Check out this article about religious persecution in Malaysia, which is considered the most moderate Muslim nation in the world.
Malaysia bans Muslims from converting to other religions
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...A710E2AB44.htm
Malaysia convert's marriage illegal
Islamic authorities in Malaysia have ordered a Muslim woman who was detained for four months after she married a Hindu to live separately from her husband.
Officials in Selangor state told Najeera Farvinli Mohamed Jalali, an ethnic Indian, that her marriage was illegal under Islam, the couple's lawyer said on Saturday.
Under Malaysian law, Muslims cannot marry non-Muslims.
"Her husband's family rang us up to say she has been released about three weeks ago," Karpal Singh, the lawyer said.
He has argued in the past that Jalali's detention was illegal because no detention order was served on her.
Magendran Sababathy, her husband, had hired Karpal to fight for his wife's freedom.
Islamic religious police raided the couple's house in April and arrested her, on the charge of "illegally cohabiting" with a Hindu and for failing to produce any relevant marriage documents.
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, a human rights lawyer, has questioned the decision to separate Jalali from her husband.
"I don't think there's a legal basis for them to do it," he said on Saturday.
"If she is saying that she is not a Muslim, the constitution guarantees her right to say that and nobody can order her to do anything other than that."
Counselling ordered
Meanwhile, a religious court has ordered another Malaysian woman who is trying to renounce Islam to undergo three months of counselling.
"If she is saying that
she is not a
Muslim, the constitution guarantees her right to say that and nobody can order her to do anything other than that"
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, human rights lawyer
According to the New Straits Times newspaper, Siti Fatimah, 38, claims she originally converted from Buddhism to Islam in 1998 because she wanted to marry an Iranian man and never truly practised Islam.
Siti, an ethnic Chinese whose original name was Tan Ean Huang, filed a legal petition formally renouncing Islam in July 2006 after her marriage broke down.
On Friday, the Islamic sharia high court in northern Penang state directed Siti to undergo guidance and counselling under the state's Islamic religious department for three months.
The court is scheduled to rule on Siti's petition on December 3, after a report from the religious department detailing the progress of the counselling sessions.
Conflicting values
Just over half of Malaysia's 26 million people are Malays, who are Muslims by definition.
Ethnic Chinese and Indians form sizeable minorities and mainly practice Buddhism, Christianity or Hinduism.
Last month, a 29-year-old woman said she was mentally tortured by Islamic religious police during her six-month detention for renouncing Islam in favour of the Hindu religion.
While in May, Lina Joy, a Christian convert, lost a battle in Malaysia's highest court to have the word "Islam" removed from her identity card.
In delivering the judgment, the chief judge had said that the issue of apostasy was related to Islamic law, and civil courts could not intervene.
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Islamic doctrine teaches equality amongst the races, it's stated clearly in Qu'ran, and Muslims were offering freedom of religion long before Christians were. As far back as the 8th Century Jews were fleeing persecution from Christians in Europe and travelling to regions administered by Muslims such as Spain where they were allowed religious freedom and privilege.
Then why do no Muslim nations currently allow religious freedom?? Check out this article about religious persecution in Malaysia, which is considered the most moderate Muslim nation in the world.
Malaysia bans Muslims from converting to other religions
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...A710E2AB44.htm
Malaysia convert's marriage illegal
Islamic authorities in Malaysia have ordered a Muslim woman who was detained for four months after she married a Hindu to live separately from her husband.
Officials in Selangor state told Najeera Farvinli Mohamed Jalali, an ethnic Indian, that her marriage was illegal under Islam, the couple's lawyer said on Saturday.
Under Malaysian law, Muslims cannot marry non-Muslims.
"Her husband's family rang us up to say she has been released about three weeks ago," Karpal Singh, the lawyer said.
He has argued in the past that Jalali's detention was illegal because no detention order was served on her.
Magendran Sababathy, her husband, had hired Karpal to fight for his wife's freedom.
Islamic religious police raided the couple's house in April and arrested her, on the charge of "illegally cohabiting" with a Hindu and for failing to produce any relevant marriage documents.
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, a human rights lawyer, has questioned the decision to separate Jalali from her husband.
"I don't think there's a legal basis for them to do it," he said on Saturday.
"If she is saying that she is not a Muslim, the constitution guarantees her right to say that and nobody can order her to do anything other than that."
Counselling ordered
Meanwhile, a religious court has ordered another Malaysian woman who is trying to renounce Islam to undergo three months of counselling.
"If she is saying that
she is not a
Muslim, the constitution guarantees her right to say that and nobody can order her to do anything other than that"
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, human rights lawyer
According to the New Straits Times newspaper, Siti Fatimah, 38, claims she originally converted from Buddhism to Islam in 1998 because she wanted to marry an Iranian man and never truly practised Islam.
Siti, an ethnic Chinese whose original name was Tan Ean Huang, filed a legal petition formally renouncing Islam in July 2006 after her marriage broke down.
On Friday, the Islamic sharia high court in northern Penang state directed Siti to undergo guidance and counselling under the state's Islamic religious department for three months.
The court is scheduled to rule on Siti's petition on December 3, after a report from the religious department detailing the progress of the counselling sessions.
Conflicting values
Just over half of Malaysia's 26 million people are Malays, who are Muslims by definition.
Ethnic Chinese and Indians form sizeable minorities and mainly practice Buddhism, Christianity or Hinduism.
Last month, a 29-year-old woman said she was mentally tortured by Islamic religious police during her six-month detention for renouncing Islam in favour of the Hindu religion.
While in May, Lina Joy, a Christian convert, lost a battle in Malaysia's highest court to have the word "Islam" removed from her identity card.
In delivering the judgment, the chief judge had said that the issue of apostasy was related to Islamic law, and civil courts could not intervene.
please stop posting in this forum
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150733.0
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what if i have a cross tattooed on my arm?
because im just dying to tour saudi arabia ;)
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Saudi Arabia can do whatever the fuck it wants, your beloved u.s government is supporting it.
Good point. If it wasn't for America, everyone knows that Saudi Arabia would be a bastion of human rights, democracy, and religious freedom. Just like the rest of the Islamic world.
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Who cares what it WOULD be. We know what it is, and we also know that the u.s government likes what it is because it's paying for such policies.
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So, has anyone violated this policy yet and had their hands chopped off? I wanna see a Protestant cracker lose his hands.
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Hows your pussy CWalker? You still queef every time you do a jumping jack?