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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: NiCc_FrUm_ThA_nO on August 16, 2007, 03:52:13 PM
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cant even say his name right..
http://www.youtube.com/v/EwDV1z6hqLs
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lol fuck bill o' reilly
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If I ever saw this nigga on the street, and if it was the right moment, I'd knock this asshole out.
Watch out for the Quiet ones, bitch.
This guy is straight up ignorant and I can accept alot of bullshit, but when it comes to Hip Hop, I start to catch feelings. That's why usually I ignore this shit, but for him to go at Nas like that, nah. Nas ain't even like he's expressing it. Unbelievable. Cam'ron was a different story, different rapper, but Nas? Nah man, nahhhh.
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what song was that with theifs theme lyrics but a diff beat, was it a remix??
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I'm not one to say I hate somebody I don't know but I fucking hate Bill O'Reilly with a passion.
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This guy is straight up ignorant and I can accept alot of bullshit, but when it comes to Hip Hop, I start to catch feelings. That's why usually I ignore this shit, but for him to go at Nas like that, nah.
I understand you're passionate, but you got to realize this is an old nerdy white dude sayin this shit about rap
you should never expect a guy like Bill O'Reilly to understand things of this generation made for younger people, especially when it comes to hip hop
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Lol @ "a rapper known for his violent lyrics". Yeah thats what Nas is known for ::)
Bill O'reilly deserves to die of aids.
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Billy O'reilly is stupid as fuck, can't stand watching him
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lol @ gangsta rapper and lyrics as violent as they come!
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First time I ever saw this faggot, he talks bullshit and can't say NaS right. He is far from a gangster rapper most of the time.
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Fuck Bill O'Reilly he can eat a dick
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What a fucking son of a bitch. First of all, they got a dude to defend Nas who can't even fucking say his name. If he's listened to Nas even once, he should be able to pronounce his name. So, they picked this guy so they could piss on him easily. O'Reilly didn't let anyone speak, he just spoke over them and was a fucking tyrant rather than a moderator. Fuck him, and fuck that show. Nas has a gun conviction! Who gives a fuck. If O'Reilly had a gun conviction for possession of a weapon, would that make him less suitable to speak at Virginia Tech? Hell no. Just because you were caught with a weapon doesn't mean that you used it, what about protecting yourself? A right that O'Reilly is apparently an advocate for. Of course Nas isn't gonna perform "Got Yourself A Gun" at this concert, and he's the perfect artist to have there IMO.
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by the way hes reacting you would think DMX was performing at the concert
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by the way hes reacting you would think DMX was performing at the concert
lol 4real
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by the way hes reacting you would think DMX was performing at the concert
co sign
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LOL @ bill oreilly comparing nas and stephen king. what an idiot.
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always hated that blubbering vagina. bill o reilly can eat a big fat donkey dick.
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cant even say his name right..
Neither can his guests, one of whom is supposedly an expert on hip hop.
But yeah, O'Reilly just pushes shit too far. And the only reason he does that is because it draws ratings.
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lol such a fuckin tool
sayin he can find 15 other songs than make a reference to guns or voilence, what about the 50 other songs where nas speaks about healing, peace and doing things for the children etc
bill o'rielly will never understand hip hop, or even bother to try n understand it
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I don't understand how people like Jill O'Reilly and many others can wake up in the mirror and look at themselves and not be disgusted. Oh the pride they possess. Their target viewers are older, retired white folks who soak up everything they hear from the channel like a sponge and, unfortunately it works somewhat. Thankfully, their ratings are on the decline 8)
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LOL @ bill oreilly comparing nas and stephen king. what an idiot.
He wasn't comparing the two. He was just saying that he wouldn't even have a fiction author that writes sick violence for fun at a place like this at this time.
You guys should be thanking O'Reilly. I'm upset because this may start giving Nas a lot of publicity and the less I hear from him the better.
You cannot however deny that while he was far from the worst at it he latched on to the street persona and lifestyle for his whole career. He more often than not uses the streets and street violence to push his image among rap fans. Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.
That being said, I would never be offended by his appearance. I wouldn't dream of watching it, but that's because I think it would suck. I may want to see how good Dave Mathews Band is live. I've heard great things, and I might stick my head in to see John Mayer if he's playing Blues style. I guess the bottom line is that no one is being forced to watch this.
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Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.
Honestly though, that's like the whole rap community.
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There's already a hit out on his cracker ass. And I'm gon get that money and rid the world of the devil simultaneously.
Buck the devil, '05, '06, '07, whatever whenever, all day everyday.
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Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.
Honestly though, that's like the whole rap community.
How does that change anything? Because everyone is like that and Nas isn't as bad as most it's okay for him to be at a school after a shooting.
To be fair I think Nas would be very respectful when he's up there. I Can and If I Ruled The World will probably show up rather than Get Yourself a Gun. Though I do wonder how O'Reilly would have handled it if Nas was a pro-constitution patriot sing Get Yourself a Gun as a statement that if more people were armed then the shooting wouldn't have happened.
What I am trying to say that although O'Reilly is an idiot a lot of the time and may be a hypocrite he isn't wrong with saying Nas is a gangster rapper. He more than glorifies his street upbringing. He's not like K-OS from Canada or Will Smith. He likes the thug image and used it a lot through out his career and not just to appease the white devils that push that style. He used it to appease the street.
P.S. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Nas's publicist brought the complaint made by a few students just to get Nas in the media again.
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^^^^^ Shut the fuck up now, or risk dying the horrible death that awaits all Protestant crackers.
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This guy is straight up ignorant and I can accept alot of bullshit, but when it comes to Hip Hop, I start to catch feelings. That's why usually I ignore this shit, but for him to go at Nas like that, nah.
I understand you're passionate, but you got to realize this is an old nerdy white dude sayin this shit about rap
you should never expect a guy like Bill O'Reilly to understand things of this generation made for younger people, especially when it comes to hip hop
Well he did pick the right Nas song to critic i guess...
With that said i agree with what i quoted here.
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How can O'Reilly say that he even bothered to research Nas or listen to his music enough to make an argument against him if he can't even pronunce his name right?
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LOL @ bill oreilly comparing nas and stephen king. what an idiot.
He wasn't comparing the two. He was just saying that he wouldn't even have a fiction author that writes sick violence for fun at a place like this at this time.
You guys should be thanking O'Reilly. I'm upset because this may start giving Nas a lot of publicity and the less I hear from him the better.
You cannot however deny that while he was far from the worst at it he latched on to the street persona and lifestyle for his whole career. He more often than not uses the streets and street violence to push his image among rap fans. Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.
That being said, I would never be offended by his appearance. I wouldn't dream of watching it, but that's because I think it would suck. I may want to see how good Dave Mathews Band is live. I've heard great things, and I might stick my head in to see John Mayer if he's playing Blues style. I guess the bottom line is that no one is being forced to watch this.
Is that you Shallow?
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Who cares about Fox News and Bil O'Reilly .... the best way to answer this guy is to ignore him ...
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they need to get me on there as a guest
i woulda put that bitch ass muthafucka in his place.
Nas is a great artist and performer and he would make a perfectly good to be a performer at VT, i just hope that nigga dont sing that song with "kill, kill, kill, and murder, murder, murder"
lol
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Nas' lyrics really are all over the place. Some are very violent while others are uplifting, wise, and even spiritual. But that's what a great artist does. He has great range and he can stimulate your thoughts as well as any rapper. He's always been one of my top 3 rappers. As far as whether or not he's appropriate for the function he is attending, by rap standards Nas is easily considered a conscious rapper before he would be declared a gangsta rapper. I think anybody that disagrees needs to listen to to his track "What Goes Around Comes Around" off Stillmatic.
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Wow. I'm really at a loss for words after watching this. And I don't mean O'Reilly's vision on who and what Nas is - that was pure, uncut BS - but just this O'Reilly character in itself.
I had already heard of his reputation and had seen a few "debates" with him before, but after watching this video again, I start to wonder: how is it possible that they let someone like O'Reilly have his own show? When your job is to moderate a debate, then DO that. And at least have the decency to let someone finish speaking, even when you don't agree with them.
I can understand that you guys in the U.S. are used to seeing/hearing people like O'Reilly on TV (especially on Fox, I assume, since that's about as conservate/republican as you can get), but you have to also understand...us non-U.S. cats are literally amazed at finding out that such people have their own - popular! - talkshows on TV. I'm not blaming you U.S. people here, don't get me wrong here. I realize that O'Reilly is only out to start some shit each time. But damn...like I said, I'm at a loss for words.
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lol a few quotes taken out of context and now "nazz" is one of the most violent rappers ever? get the fuck outta here. a lot of musicians from every genre have lyrics that could be taken as super violent when taken out of context but he's not bitching about Johnny Cash, etc.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We don't know that he wouldn't have spoken out against Johnny Cash. Although comparing Nas with Cash is a bit much. Nas uses violence and street shit as an image of being cool. He promotes the lifestyle in the same way shows like the Sopranos do. Cash would sing about as a way of showing victims of circumstance or down and out losers of life. Also Cash never played his character. Nas at times over the years played the role of a man from the streets that has seen at all and done it all. Cash never claimed to shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
Fuck O'Reilly there is a reason why a group of students at that school dont want to here a "thug poet" or whatever Nas thinks he is and if it turns out that enough students don't him there then he won't be there.
If I were his manager I'd get him to perform I Gave You Power followed by Get Yourself a Gun and hope that the students rush the stage. It would instantly make Nas a household name. If they instead just sing a long then it just shows how stupid they are.
LOL @ bill oreilly comparing nas and stephen king. what an idiot.
He wasn't comparing the two. He was just saying that he wouldn't even have a fiction author that writes sick violence for fun at a place like this at this time.
You guys should be thanking O'Reilly. I'm upset because this may start giving Nas a lot of publicity and the less I hear from him the better.
You cannot however deny that while he was far from the worst at it he latched on to the street persona and lifestyle for his whole career. He more often than not uses the streets and street violence to push his image among rap fans. Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.
That being said, I would never be offended by his appearance. I wouldn't dream of watching it, but that's because I think it would suck. I may want to see how good Dave Mathews Band is live. I've heard great things, and I might stick my head in to see John Mayer if he's playing Blues style. I guess the bottom line is that no one is being forced to watch this.
Is that you Shallow?
Huh? What do you mean?
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Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.
Honestly though, that's like the whole rap community.
How does that change anything? Because everyone is like that and Nas isn't as bad as most it's okay for him to be at a school after a shooting.
To be fair I think Nas would be very respectful when he's up there. I Can and If I Ruled The World will probably show up rather than Get Yourself a Gun. Though I do wonder how O'Reilly would have handled it if Nas was a pro-constitution patriot sing Get Yourself a Gun as a statement that if more people were armed then the shooting wouldn't have happened.
What I am trying to say that although O'Reilly is an idiot a lot of the time and may be a hypocrite he isn't wrong with saying Nas is a gangster rapper. He more than glorifies his street upbringing. He's not like K-OS from Canada or Will Smith. He likes the thug image and used it a lot through out his career and not just to appease the white devils that push that style. He used it to appease the street.
P.S. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Nas's publicist brought the complaint made by a few students just to get Nas in the media again.
They shouldn't even have a rapper perform period than, if that's the case. And I swear on everythang, EVERYTHANG, I knew Will Smith would be brought up. But that's like 1% out the community.
For God's sake, why don't put KRS-One as the performer, so than they could cry over '9mm Goes Bang' or 'Da Sound Of The Police'. It's ridiculous man.
You was like, 'well, since Nas glorified his lifestyle and has a street persona, he really shouldn't do this show', homie that's 99% of the community, becuz, yeah, that's Hip Hop, the streets, so this Bill O' Riley, no matter who it be, is gonna attack a rapper so why defend the man??
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This guy is a big joke. Nas a gangsta rapper...lol
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Everyone ignore Shallow. He's been bringing up Nas constantly for years now as proof of why hip-hop sucks because he knows Nas is respected and that people gon respond to that. But Nas is pretty much the ONLY good example he can come up with. Anyway, he is no longer a useful poster and will have to be put down for insulting Allah.
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what's even more disturbing is this so-called hip hop expert they selected not sayin Nas' name right.
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what's even more disturbing is this so-called hip hop expert they selected not sayin Nas' name right.
Yeah I noticed that. Peer pressure is a bitch.
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Everyone ignore Shallow. He's been bringing up Nas constantly for years now as proof of why hip-hop sucks because he knows Nas is respected and that people gon respond to that. But Nas is pretty much the ONLY good example he can come up with. Anyway, he is no longer a useful poster and will have to be put down for insulting Allah.
ONLY good example of what? I'm not quite following you.
And QuietTruth;
I don't care if Nas performs or not. Like I said if I was his manager I'd tell him to start with I Gave You Power and jump into Get Yourself a Gun just for all the publicity he'll get from that. I won't be offended either way. If the students that want this concert want him there then great, if they don't then he shouldn't be there. I'm not saying Bill O'reilly is right to say he shouldn't be there. I'm saying he's right to call him gangster rap. The fact remains that most of his songs are about thug shit. He may not be DMX but he's not Run DMC or the Beastie Boys either.
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One day, Nas, Cam'ron, Luda. Lil' Kim, & Jay-z will perform @ a concert in celebration of Bill O'Reilly's death..........
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what's even more disturbing is this so-called hip hop expert they selected not sayin Nas' name right.
That's nothing new, they hardly ever get anyone decent to defend hip-hop on these shows. Russel Simmons does an okay job of defending hip-hop sometimes.
But really, the only dudes I've seen come on these shows and really defend hip-hop in the best way are the black nationalists types, like the leaders of the Kemetic (Egyptology) society, or Malik Shabazz of the Black Panther Party, or a 5% or Nation of Islam type of black intellectuals.
And some rappers do well, like KRS-One for example.
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One day, Nas, Cam'ron, Luda. Lil' Kim, & Jay-z will perform @ a concert in celebration of Bill O'Reilly's death..........
That concert would be fuckin huge, alot of people hate O'Reilly
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nas is a legend....billy can go fuck his himself
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"he has a gun conviction" ...he should have replied with "you have a phone sex conviction!" and still they allow him on tv
Nas - Poison
listen to that track then tell me whats up
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Obviously we are all hip-hop fans or why else would we be all posting in here. As lovers of the genre we are in a better position to understand that the imagery is entirely for the sake of entertainment and that the words are not meant literally and are used as an expression of power. Gangsta rap was born out of MC battles where competing MCs had to destroy each other using their words. So essentially it is non-violent form of expression, the purpose of which is to encapsulate human emotions such as rage and anger and provide them with a non-physical outlet from which to manifest.
However, to the outsider, NaS seems to want to be both a political and social speaker but at the same time portray a mafioso character. The two are hard to reconcile and they are opposites. And in the political sphere it is normal for any weakness to be shoved under the magnifying glass, therefore I see that NaS was fair-game for O'Reilly. If NaS wants to be a public speaker and talk on gun violence then there are naturally things he needs to make clearer for the mainstream. But yeah, the attack on NaS was cheap by not getting a credible advocate for hip-hop on the show, the dude should of been credible as he had written a book on hip-hop, but that just highlights another point, that hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
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hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
hip-hop IS a fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
Most of these the street rappers play the part year round. They want to call it art to critics and real to the street fans. I've said this before, but to me it's as ridiculous as Al Pacino if he was doing interviews in 82 promoting Sarface while staying in the Tony Montana character. It's just a shame that most of the public doesn't see that. For them it's like pre-1985 pro wrestling when all the media portrayed it as real and the wrestlers wouldn't dare call it fake. Most people had an idea that it was but the wrestlers would never appear out of character in interviews. If Nas wants to be seen as a poet, an author and artist then he and more rappers need to come out and say it, and say it again, and then say it one more time. "My name is Nasir Jones and I am not a thug. I have never been a thug, and at best I was the kid tagging along with the real thugs trying to be cool. I use those childhood experiences and mix them with gangster movies I love to tell stories through music, but that's all they are; stories". But he has to realize that he cannot do that AND go on TV claiming to be a don in '96 and keeping Tupac from taking over his streets during the East/West feud. He cannot go on interviews and tell people Jay Z was this that and the third on the streets while Nas was more the real deal.
And if he wants to speak out against gun violence on the street then he has to be willing to turn in and testify anyone he knows that committed it, for the sake of the community he's trying to help. If my blood brother needlessly shot and killed a man woman or child in the street I wouldn't even have to think about turning him in, and I'd stare him right in the eyes when I testify in court. It's not me who would be ashamed for turning in my own brother. It's him that should be ashamed for not turning in himself, not pleading guilty, and killing someone in the first place.
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hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
hip-hop IS a fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
Most of these the street rappers play the part year round. They want to call it art to critics and real to the street fans. I've said this before, but to me it's as ridiculous as Al Pacino if he was doing interviews in 82 promoting Sarface while staying in the Tony Montana character. It's just a shame that most of the public doesn't see that. For them it's like pre-1985 pro wrestling when all the media portrayed it as real and the wrestlers wouldn't dare call it fake. Most people had an idea that it was but the wrestlers would never appear out of character in interviews. If Nas wants to be seen as a poet, an author and artist then he and more rappers need to come out and say it, and say it again, and then say it one more time. "My name is Nasir Jones and I am not a thug. I have never been a thug, and at best I was the kid tagging along with the real thugs trying to be cool. I use those childhood experiences and mix them with gangster movies I love to tell stories through music, but that's all they are; stories". But he has to realize that he cannot do that AND go on TV claiming to be a don in '96 and keeping Tupac from taking over his streets during the East/West feud. He cannot go on interviews and tell people Jay Z was this that and the third on the streets while Nas was more the real deal.
And if he wants to speak out against gun violence on the street then he has to be willing to turn in and testify anyone he knows that committed it, for the sake of the community he's trying to help. If my blood brother needlessly shot and killed a man woman or child in the street I wouldn't even have to think about turning him in, and I'd stare him right in the eyes when I testify in court. It's not me who would be ashamed for turning in my own brother. It's him that should be ashamed for not turning in himself, not pleading guilty, and killing someone in the first place.
If Nas was not a platinum rapper, would you have the same opinion. This cat... puts Illmatic as the greatest album ever, agrees with me that Nas is top 3 of all time, and still disses him. I don't get a thing this cat says.
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hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
hip-hop IS a fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck.
Most of these the street rappers play the part year round. They want to call it art to critics and real to the street fans. I've said this before, but to me it's as ridiculous as Al Pacino if he was doing interviews in 82 promoting Sarface while staying in the Tony Montana character. It's just a shame that most of the public doesn't see that. For them it's like pre-1985 pro wrestling when all the media portrayed it as real and the wrestlers wouldn't dare call it fake. Most people had an idea that it was but the wrestlers would never appear out of character in interviews. If Nas wants to be seen as a poet, an author and artist then he and more rappers need to come out and say it, and say it again, and then say it one more time. "My name is Nasir Jones and I am not a thug. I have never been a thug, and at best I was the kid tagging along with the real thugs trying to be cool. I use those childhood experiences and mix them with gangster movies I love to tell stories through music, but that's all they are; stories". But he has to realize that he cannot do that AND go on TV claiming to be a don in '96 and keeping Tupac from taking over his streets during the East/West feud. He cannot go on interviews and tell people Jay Z was this that and the third on the streets while Nas was more the real deal.
And if he wants to speak out against gun violence on the street then he has to be willing to turn in and testify anyone he knows that committed it, for the sake of the community he's trying to help. If my blood brother needlessly shot and killed a man woman or child in the street I wouldn't even have to think about turning him in, and I'd stare him right in the eyes when I testify in court. It's not me who would be ashamed for turning in my own brother. It's him that should be ashamed for not turning in himself, not pleading guilty, and killing someone in the first place.
If Nas was not a platinum rapper, would you have the same opinion. This cat... puts Illmatic as the greatest album ever, agrees with me that Nas is top 3 of all time, and still disses him. I don't get a thing this cat says.
Absolutely. I'm not dissing his hip hop talents. I'm adressing the way he chooses to adress himself on various issues and I'm merely stating that he is gangster rap. How much he sells makes no difference. I think Tupac is the best ever. e had more and better uplifting songs than Nas but I'd understand why students may not have wanted him at an event like this, and I'd still criticize Pac for keep the kaye fabe alive. Same goes for everyone's favourite white MC.
Hip Hop needs to stop telling everyone who's real and who isn't and start being real, for real, and stop acting. Only then can it properly move forward as art.
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Hip Hop needs to stop telling everyone who's real and who isn't and start being real, for real, and stop acting. Only then can it properly move forward as art.
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Word.Tell me about it.....Can you believe that there are self-confessed Bloodz and Crips HERE in Australia!? Shit is ridiculous, all these Islander kids walk around with blue rags or red rags now. Its the stupidest shit I have ever seen.....
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Bill O'Reilly? Who gives a fuck what he thinks? All he does is try to start controversy for ratings. I don't know why people give him any attention or give creedence to anything he says. You play into his trap when you try to analyze him. He's not even worth talking about. In fact, I avoided this thread just cuz it was about him but it kept popping up to the top of the page so I said fuck it. But really though, who cares what BO says.
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Who cares about Fox News and Bil O'Reilly .... the best way to answer this guy is to ignore him ...
agree homie
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fuck a fox news reporter
lmao at killa puttin his fatass in place