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Title: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: tjsantana on November 13, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
This is the hook from my new street smasher!
************************************************** *************
The West Coast Succ's Right Now,

It's been 10 and some change since we had tight grip on the crown,

I hear the talks of niggaz bringin' it bacc,

But when they come it's the same-ol' tired ass shit in they raps,

Even the East aint eatin' right now,

Yeah.. the South got it locced, man the dirty really holdin' it down,

Karma's ah mutha fucca.. tell me how that sound,

Look who kiccin' down who buildin's now!

************************************************** **********
To hear the full song, go to: myspace.com/mrtjsantana

Also. Before those that don't know my pedigree, and start saying.. he must be from Wyoming or Maine somewhere.. he don't know what the fucc he talkin' bout. I'm from Compton!
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: R-Tistic on November 13, 2007, 05:32:22 PM
This is how I see it...

I've been in school in the South since 2002, and before I got here, people in L.A. always saw me as a West Coast rap advocate, whether it was at my HS or in the neighborhood. When I got here, I would play nothin but West Coast, especially because I wasn't hearin any of it out here. I felt that our music was just as good, or even better, than what was out in the South at the time...but that the stations and all weren't showin us the love we deserved. I felt then, and still feel that 2000-2001 was the best span of years we've had since 94-96, and I thought we were on our way back.

Fast forward to 2007, and it feels like we've nearly been washed out the game. I feel that The Bay had a major hot streak as far as songs go, and many of their songs could have been major nationwide because they had that universal club feel to them. However, their scene hasn't been puttin out as much catchy music, and the hyphy scene has lost it's steam. L.A. rap hasn't done much of anything different since at least 2001, and even then, that was just a slightly modernized version of what we did in the 90's. Being here in Florida, I realize that 10 years ago, their music sounded like "Come and ride the train" "Tootsie roll" and Luke "Scarred"...but now it sounds like "I'm so hood" "Everyday I'm hustlin"...so why should our music sound the exact same way as it did back then?

I think we just need to re-invent the entire sound, and stop copying other coasts AND stop trying to live off the 90's legacy and come with something fresh. We're washed out the game, so even if we get a single here and there, it won't make shit happen if it sounds like what's out in the South. We see how much Mims did for the East coast with a South-soundin single.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on November 13, 2007, 05:57:13 PM
I feel you tj..
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: We Fly High on November 13, 2007, 06:12:45 PM
true story. west coast fuckin blows.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Monotone on November 13, 2007, 06:48:06 PM
what up TJ.

Got to agree with you, ive noticed lately a lot of new west artists are using early to mid 90's beats for their mixtapes. Which is cool for a minute but gets played out quickly

You have to blame fans too, they create the demand for some of this garbage that gets pumped out, people on this forum are still hoping dogg pound will drop a classic and save the coast...

time to move on
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: SGV on November 13, 2007, 07:28:03 PM

Fast forward to 2007, and it feels like we've nearly been washed out the game. I feel that The Bay had a major hot streak as far as songs go, and many of their songs could have been major nationwide because they had that universal club feel to them. However, their scene hasn't been puttin out as much catchy music, and the hyphy scene has lost it's steam. L.A. rap hasn't done much of anything different since at least 2001, and even then, that was just a slightly modernized version of what we did in the 90's. Being here in Florida, I realize that 10 years ago, their music sounded like "Come and ride the train" "Tootsie roll" and Luke "Scarred"...but now it sounds like "I'm so hood" "Everyday I'm hustlin"...so why should our music sound the exact same way as it did back then?

I think we just need to re-invent the entire sound, and stop copying other coasts AND stop trying to live off the 90's legacy and come with something fresh. We're washed out the game, so even if we get a single here and there, it won't make shit happen if it sounds like what's out in the South. We see how much Mims did for the East coast with a South-soundin single.

true story. west coast fuckin blows.


You have to blame fans too, they create the demand for some of this garbage that gets pumped out, people on this forum are still hoping dogg pound will drop a classic and save the coast...

time to move on
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: d-nice on November 13, 2007, 07:54:42 PM
This is how I see it...

I've been in school in the South since 2002, and before I got here, people in L.A. always saw me as a West Coast rap advocate, whether it was at my HS or in the neighborhood. When I got here, I would play nothin but West Coast, especially because I wasn't hearin any of it out here. I felt that our music was just as good, or even better, than what was out in the South at the time...but that the stations and all weren't showin us the love we deserved. I felt then, and still feel that 2000-2001 was the best span of years we've had since 94-96, and I thought we were on our way back.

Fast forward to 2007, and it feels like we've nearly been washed out the game. I feel that The Bay had a major hot streak as far as songs go, and many of their songs could have been major nationwide because they had that universal club feel to them. However, their scene hasn't been puttin out as much catchy music, and the hyphy scene has lost it's steam. L.A. rap hasn't done much of anything different since at least 2001, and even then, that was just a slightly modernized version of what we did in the 90's. Being here in Florida, I realize that 10 years ago, their music sounded like "Come and ride the train" "Tootsie roll" and Luke "Scarred"...but now it sounds like "I'm so hood" "Everyday I'm hustlin"...so why should our music sound the exact same way as it did back then?

I think we just need to re-invent the entire sound, and stop copying other coasts AND stop trying to live off the 90's legacy and come with something fresh. We're washed out the game, so even if we get a single here and there, it won't make shit happen if it sounds like what's out in the South. We see how much Mims did for the East coast with a South-soundin single.

On point as usual R. We really need a rapper not on that gang bangin/gangsta tip to blow up. Just to show some diversity out here. And not knockin that subject matter but something new and fresh.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Mackin on November 13, 2007, 10:16:29 PM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: We Fly High on November 14, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

if the artist can only talk about violence and banging, then the artist is way too one dimensional to start with and does not deserve a chance in the first place.
fortunately, there are intelligent artists out there, that rap and rep LA.

Check out artists like Blu and Exile, and Pacific Division, etc... all making some of the best music the west coast has seen in forever.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Snoopafly-1986 on November 14, 2007, 03:04:02 AM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

yeah see what you mean it makes him more interesting if he got gang ties or raps about gangsta shit like Game than your average rapper
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: SGV on November 14, 2007, 08:20:31 AM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

Of course people would say he's corny, he's wack, "we want some gangsta shit," etc. But these are the same people who will turn around and whine that the West has no representation. Being a gangster rapper can only take you so far. It was cool as shit in the 90s cuz it was really only the West doing it. Now, everyone is a G.

And no interviewer would ever be that ignorant to ask questions like that... LOL. I understand your point, but it's not like that would be the first and only rapper from L.A. without major gang ties. Think Pharcyde, Murs, Xzibit (yes, Mr. Get Your Walk On started out on so me Underground shit), Tha Liks, Defari, etc. They all came out without Gang ties during the HEIGHTS of Gangsta Rap. So if they could do that then, a rapper could do it now 10 years later. As fans, we dictate where the music goes. If we want it to be all about flaggin' and low ridin' then we will get music like that. But, if we want music that will crossover and open the door once again for the West Coast, we have to demand it and not settle for less. It's time to let the Daz's, Kurupt's, Ice Cube's, etc. and strongly support the Omar Cruz's, Pacific Division's, etc. Gang Banging can still work in your rhymes if you at least keep it fresh, i.e. Game. The reason Game didn't flop like Daz and Kurupt is because, one he's a fresh new face. But 2, Game used a variety of beats that typical West Coast artists aren't known for. He had a much broader appeal and that's what it's about. If you're gonna be a Gangsta Rapper, come with a swagger like Jay Rock. Typical Gangster rappers would sample a Roger Troutman track and be done with it. Jay Rock busting over some NY shit with DJ Envy and Big Mike co-hosting his Tape, now that's smart. We as fans need to demand creativity and originality like this. We cannot just settle for the same old same. If it sounds like 1994, it shouldn't be praised...
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Mackin on November 14, 2007, 08:37:25 AM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

Of course people would say he's corny, he's wack, "we want some gangsta shit," etc. But these are the same people who will turn around and whine that the West has no representation. Being a gangster rapper can only take you so far. It was cool as shit in the 90s cuz it was really only the West doing it. Now, everyone is a G.

And no interviewer would ever be that ignorant to ask questions like that... LOL. I understand your point, but it's not like that would be the first and only rapper from L.A. without major gang ties. Think Pharcyde, Murs, Xzibit (yes, Mr. Get Your Walk On started out on so me Underground shit), Tha Liks, Defari, etc. They all came out without Gang ties during the HEIGHTS of Gangsta Rap. So if they could do that then, a rapper could do it now 10 years later. As fans, we dictate where the music goes. If we want it to be all about flaggin' and low ridin' then we will get music like that. But, if we want music that will crossover and open the door once again for the West Coast, we have to demand it and not settle for less. It's time to let the Daz's, Kurupt's, Ice Cube's, etc. and strongly support the Omar Cruz's, Pacific Division's, etc. Gang Banging can still work in your rhymes if you at least keep it fresh, i.e. Game. The reason Game didn't flop like Daz and Kurupt is because, one he's a fresh new face. But 2, Game used a variety of beats that typical West Coast artists aren't known for. He had a much broader appeal and that's what it's about. If you're gonna be a Gangsta Rapper, come with a swagger like Jay Rock. Typical Gangster rappers would sample a Roger Troutman track and be done with it. Jay Rock busting over some NY shit with DJ Envy and Big Mike co-hosting his Tape, now that's smart. We as fans need to demand creativity and originality like this. We cannot just settle for the same old same. If it sounds like 1994, it shouldn't be praised...

Yeah..I Know..i did come across very one dimensional in my portray of an interviewer!!
But I agree with what you've said in your Post!!
Creativity is missing!!Props!
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Mackin on November 14, 2007, 08:38:10 AM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

if the artist can only talk about violence and banging, then the artist is way too one dimensional to start with and does not deserve a chance in the first place.
fortunately, there are intelligent artists out there, that rap and rep LA.

Check out artists like Blu and Exile, and Pacific Division, etc... all making some of the best music the west coast has seen in forever.
Oh yeah..
I will check them Out!!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Mackin on November 14, 2007, 08:39:41 AM

^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

yeah see what you mean it makes him more interesting if he got gang ties or raps about gangsta shit like Game than your average rapper

....True...
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Iliveinthefuture on November 14, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
the west coast got the dumbest and most confused "fans" ever str8 up  8)
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on November 14, 2007, 12:31:43 PM
This is the hook from my new street smasher!
************************************************** *************
The West Coast Succ's Right Now,

It's been 10 and some change since we had tight grip on the crown,

I hear the talks of niggaz bringin' it bacc,

But when they come it's the same-ol' tired ass shit in they raps,

Even the East aint eatin' right now,

Yeah.. the South got it locced, man the dirty really holdin' it down,

Karma's ah mutha fucca.. tell me how that sound,

Look who kiccin' down who buildin's now!

************************************************** **********
To hear the full song, go to: myspace.com/mrtjsantana

Also. Before those that don't know my pedigree, and start saying.. he must be from Wyoming or Maine somewhere.. he don't know what the fucc he talkin' bout. I'm from Compton!

100% tj.
whuzzup gangsta dresta?
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: R-Tistic on November 15, 2007, 01:25:58 AM
But for real..if a rapper turns Up..and don't have no ties with any gangs..
Just Ur Average "will Smith" kinda rapper, hailing from LA..I.e So Cal would you guys the Fan accept Him??
Or Would Yous say "Dude is Wack"??



I can just about picture the interview

Interviewer:So You From LA.

Rapper:Yeah,SoCal..that's right

Interviewer:SoCal,yeah we know a lot of rappers from,Snoop,DPG..etc..all had Gang Ties.
Do You have Gang Ties??

Rapper:Nope,I Don't.
Not A Lot Of Gang Violence happened round my block!
Just folks working and trying to make a Living!

Interviewer:So You Don't bang,No Affiliations..nothing,and you want to Rap & Rep LA?

Rapper:Yessir!!


^^That may be a lil exaggerated a bit..but i'm Sure ye  would have wee understand of where I'm coming From!

Of course people would say he's corny, he's wack, "we want some gangsta shit," etc. But these are the same people who will turn around and whine that the West has no representation. Being a gangster rapper can only take you so far. It was cool as shit in the 90s cuz it was really only the West doing it. Now, everyone is a G.

And no interviewer would ever be that ignorant to ask questions like that... LOL. I understand your point, but it's not like that would be the first and only rapper from L.A. without major gang ties. Think Pharcyde, Murs, Xzibit (yes, Mr. Get Your Walk On started out on so me Underground shit), Tha Liks, Defari, etc. They all came out without Gang ties during the HEIGHTS of Gangsta Rap. So if they could do that then, a rapper could do it now 10 years later. As fans, we dictate where the music goes. If we want it to be all about flaggin' and low ridin' then we will get music like that. But, if we want music that will crossover and open the door once again for the West Coast, we have to demand it and not settle for less. It's time to let the Daz's, Kurupt's, Ice Cube's, etc. and strongly support the Omar Cruz's, Pacific Division's, etc. Gang Banging can still work in your rhymes if you at least keep it fresh, i.e. Game. The reason Game didn't flop like Daz and Kurupt is because, one he's a fresh new face. But 2, Game used a variety of beats that typical West Coast artists aren't known for. He had a much broader appeal and that's what it's about. If you're gonna be a Gangsta Rapper, come with a swagger like Jay Rock. Typical Gangster rappers would sample a Roger Troutman track and be done with it. Jay Rock busting over some NY shit with DJ Envy and Big Mike co-hosting his Tape, now that's smart. We as fans need to demand creativity and originality like this. We cannot just settle for the same old same. If it sounds like 1994, it shouldn't be praised...

That there is definitely true.

I do feel that the sound itself is much more important than people will think though. With Game, he definitely did blow up, and according to the (bullshit on) MTV, he is the 3rd hottest rapper in the game. However....truth is that he really didn't do much for the West Coast itself, mainly because his style was much more East, and at the same time, didn't bring anything new to the table. When NWA and Snoop dropped, they each had their own unique style and sound that the game hadn't heard before, and that's why they are seen as legends. Game came out and made good music, but he was a hybrid of an East Coast mixtape rapper, 2000's commercial rapper, and 1990's West Coast rapper. Therefore, when cats like him come out rappin on East Coast tracks, it's like yeah...we do have dope rappers, but we need to have our own sound...and I'm not sayin he sounded East Coast just because he used lyrics and punchlines and that. He had more of an East Coast accent as well.

Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on November 15, 2007, 04:59:33 AM
MP3 version of the song up on dubcnn now!
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: bgko1 on November 15, 2007, 08:34:09 AM
Sikk song everything he says is true..
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Raje on November 15, 2007, 10:16:56 AM
Support I.E. Artists!!! That's the fresh new sound...(Even though we been around for a while)... www.myspace.com/raje101

And shout out to Dirty Birdy for switchin the shit up completely.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: mylife on November 15, 2007, 11:14:28 AM
Man this is a nice ass song tj the west is looking bad at this time and the bad thing is we just dont have NO UNITY! I just pray one day shit will get better.... :'(
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Iliveinthefuture on November 15, 2007, 12:16:47 PM
go watch that new dj khaled video to see what unity is all about 
step your game up west coast 8)
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Realbiggsteele on November 15, 2007, 12:37:32 PM
TJ definitely speaking on some real shit. The problem is that there are people out here trying to differentiate there selves from the rest of the pack, but no one wants to hear it. I don't complain much but if someone from the coast comes with some different shit we are told to "keep it west coast" Ive done songs and had the whole concept ripped from me. I was the first one to do that whispering shit. 2 years before the ying yang twins did it and got a buncha bullshit that it wasn't gangsta enough. Power 106 supported it, but never really moved on it even though it was a top 5 call out record. So people out here gotta change there attitudes and be open to hear new shit, we cant continue to be expected to rap over more bounce to the ounce typa beats.
I gotta give my hats off to my lil homie bangloose, he's coming with some dope ass club shit, we just need more niggas bringing fun back to rap. Thats why the south is running shit now, the average rap fan lives in the hood, but they dont wanna hear about that shit for a whole album.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Lazar on November 15, 2007, 12:43:27 PM
Yeah, dude telling some truth. I mean the west got a lot of good artists (Bishop, Crooked, Malone, Juice...) but they donīt get much attention from the people that donīt listen to westcoast rap, the radio stations from the south and eastcoast donīt care about them and tv stations like MTV donīt give a fuck about them too. Thats the fucking problem. Same thing with Dre: seems like everybody thinks "Detox" will be the rebirth for the west but Iīm sure itīs not even going to be a westcoast album.

What the westcoast need is some dude that donīt rap about gangsta shit, lowriders and all that typical shit. IMO Bishop Lamont is the guy with the best chances of a successful carrier and when he  put the attention back to the west the other rappers got better chances to sell their album.

But what I donīt like is that a lot of people donīt respect what Snoop and Game do for the west. Ok, Snoopīs last track was garbage but you must remember how long he is in the game and he still can go plat. And Game did a lot for the west too, put with "DA" an record out that comes closer to a "Classic" like no other westcoast album since years.

Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: tjsantana on November 15, 2007, 01:46:48 PM
lazar, i truly feel you homie! you are saying exactly what i wanted people to get from the song. so dude hit me yesterday and asked me, tj.. why are you dissing, or going at dre, snoop, and dre? i tried to explain to him the best way i could. here is my reply to him..


actually.. i wasn't going at dre, snoop, nor game. i'm actually speaking on how others outside of our region, culture, etc.. view us regarding doc dre. when i spoke on snoop, i was speaking on a situation when we (the young hoggs) were negotiating a deal with a major company, and the head exec there said.. ok. you guys are from the west coast, lets get snoop on your 1st single to certify you guys. Now, not on some hard body type shit ma nigg, i'm from santana blocc compton crip, my niggaz are from nutty blocc compton crip, and my other nigga in the group is from spook town compton crip, and the last is from  neighbor hood east coast crip.. snoop can not certify that! no disrespect to him, but he CAN'T! that's all that was. and last, the game line. of course i wasn't dissing him, cause i just sent him a song for him to get on called "compton high days" right before i made this post. me and dude is cool. but the fact still remains, his last album didn't do the 1st album numbers, cause of his distance from the good doc. he could have been kicked outta the "unit" and dre still involved.. that shit still would have sold!!! could you honestly tell me that a lot of people didn't go get games album, cause it didn't have a so call, "doc dre beat????" they gave his non- involvement a title!!! "wit outta doc dre beat!!!!"

that all said to say, it was more aimed at the media, and the people in these companies who push buttons and make shit happen! as well as the artist here to step up and present something worth pushing the button on. including myself and the hoggs.

Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Lazar on November 15, 2007, 02:29:18 PM
lazar, i truly feel you homie! you are saying exactly what i wanted people to get from the song. so dude hit me yesterday and asked me, tj.. why are you dissing, or going at dre, snoop, and dre? i tried to explain to him the best way i could. here is my reply to him..


actually.. i wasn't going at dre, snoop, nor game. i'm actually speaking on how others outside of our region, culture, etc.. views us regarding doc dre. when i spoke on snoop, i was speaking on a situation when we (the young hoggs) were negotiating a deal with a major company, and the head exec there said.. ok. you guys are from the west coast, lets get snoop on your 1st single to certify you guys. Now, not on some hard body type shit ma nigg, i'm from santana blocc compton crip, my niggaz are from nutty blocc compton crip, and my other nigga in the group is from spook town compton crip, and the last is from  neighbor hood east coast crip.. snoop can not certify that! no disrespect to him, but he CAN'T! that's all that was. and last, the game line. of course i wasn't dissing his, cause i just sent him a song for him to get on called "compton high days" right before i made this post. me and dude is cool. but the fact still remains, his last album didn't do the 1st album numbers, cause of his distance from the good doc. he could have been kicked outta the "unit" and dre still involved.. that shit still would have sold!!! could you honestly tell me that a lot of people didn't go get games album, cause it didn't have a so call, "doc dre dre????" they gave his non- involvement a title!!! "wit outta doc dre beat!!!!"

that all said to say, it was more aimed at the media, and the people in these companies who push buttons and make shit happen! as well as the artist here to step up and present something worth pushing the button on. including myself and the hoggs.



Props homie. The beat of your track is really nice. Keep the good work on
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: no1wammy on November 15, 2007, 08:48:11 PM
I have to give props to Bigg Steele and TJ Santana for making their statements about the condition west coast rap is undergoing.

I always thought that west coast music would have longevity in the business, until the arrival of the east coast/west coast war between Bad Boy and Death Row. Definitely, it was a time where you were forced to choose a side: you were a gangsta (west coast, Death Row, Snoop/Dre/2Pac) or a hustler (east coast, Bad Boy, Biggie/Jay-Z). Only acts like The Pharcyde, Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, Black Eyed Peas, and even Ahmad broke the mold, but underground rap didn't get real hard exposure until after the deaths of Biggie and 2Pac, all because the gangsta glare was too much of an eyesoar.

TJ, your song is convincing for two reasons. One of them is that your illustration of the west coast situation is a parallel domino effect on Chicano Rap. I believe that it is the only genre that still uses gangsta rap in their music, no matter how much or how little they embody the style. I wrote an article called The Chicano Curse explaining the reasons why this genre never gets the respect or recognition it deserves, dating back to Kid Frost and "La Raza." I'll send you the direct link later on.

The other reason has to do with me wanting to become a rapper. When I hear a new song that I like, I get the rush to write a verse based on it. Everytime this happens, I get a conflict over how I should present myself in the way of lyrics. One way I conquer this fear is by crossing different styles into one. I would use mainstream, underground, conscious, gangsta, east coast, west coast, dirty south, Chicano, Latin Hip Hop, sometimes nerdcore, and my trusted gimmick: the love of cartoons and anime. What would happen during my writing sessions is that the styles I embrace end up wanting to take over the whole verse.

For example, in my take on "Brand New," I would start out with an underground ladies-man swagger:

"Gimme a bottle of bourbon, a shot of lime for the burnin'
Hop in my Chevy Suburban, break down the walls that are certain
Escort the finest gals who tendin' to the fine Alize
Maybe we can take a stroll along the Champs-Ulysses"

Switch to conscious:

"Above all that, I gotta deal with bills and collectors
Lepers, I levitate 'em with a swift of a sceptor
Tremendous measures taken up a bunch of notches
The time is a wastin', so is my battery to watches"

Bring in a hindered gimmick:

"You say, 'old school is a bitch'
I say 'ya shit is still Kiddy Grade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiddy_Grade)"

Get political and egotistical (a west coast gimmick, if you will):

"Here's the dilemna, yo, the Mexicans lack
The persona, lyrical wittiness that this ema pack
Like there ain't no room for originals, so go punch the sack
Wanna be down for the brown, then stab the black in the back"

And finish with a west coast attitude:

"You don't like it, get off my jock, and have the vato go FUCK YOU!"

What I'm trying to do is be unique. But the only way I can be unique, and sell, and make a living, is if I act like a rip off. Know what I mean?
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Tha G In Deee on November 16, 2007, 12:05:55 AM
That's real talk on this song TJ Santana, especially about the whole Dre thing. We've got Terrace Martin, Amplified, Battlecat, 1500 or Nothin, DJ Khalil, Meech Wells, Jellyroll, Blaqtoven, all of these tight producers who can do tight beats too. We've even got tight talent in Mykestro, Glasses, Bishop, Crooked I, Roccett, & more. But if it ain't got Snoop, Cube, Dre, etc. involved, barely anyone outside here in the West Coast wants to hear it because they assume it's the same ol' "khakis, chucks, rollin' in my 6-4, same ol' same ol'" gangsta type rappin' or that they're wack because they're not cosigned by Snoop or whoever. But yeah you're right man, the West, including like you said, the DJs, needs to step their lyrical & beat game up, it seems like some artists are still stuck in the 91-96 time period & haven't evolved & expanded onto new topics. Just my two cents. 8)
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: uppacut on November 16, 2007, 12:25:02 AM
hmm..just banged out the song.

the beat is fucking great...really digging the beat.
i understand the point TJ is tryna get accross
but im not digging the rapping...flow sounded kinda...i duno how else to put it but.."gay". i duno sounded so pansy

beat's bangin but!

(waits to get flamed)
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Boba Fettucini on November 16, 2007, 12:27:22 AM
he used double c's in most of his words, thats how you know he's westcoast
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on November 16, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
thread is on point...on a side note i still cant believe that KAM changed his style to get more exposure
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Blue Smooth on November 16, 2007, 03:02:08 AM
Just my two cents...

I live in the South and I have never been out west. However, I am a huge fan of tha West and I enjoy a good gangsta album anyday over some of this bullshit that is played down here. The problem is not Snoop, Game. Tha Doog Pound, Dre, or any other older rapper out on the West. The problem is us as fans. We do not demand that the West get played on the radio's, we are the ones who are not buying the albums, we are the ones who put New West vs Old West. Don't hate on Game or Daz because they put out music that is about banging. The one thing that I like about hip-hop is it should be about what you represent and see in your communities. Should west coast rappers stop talking about gang like,but it is ok for the East or South to talk about selling drugs in EVERY SONG!!!!!.  I would rather the West keeping making music that is true to what we like than to sell our souls for a record sell.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Mr. O on November 16, 2007, 08:06:59 AM
Yeah, dude telling some truth. I mean the west got a lot of good artists (Bishop, Crooked, Malone, Juice...) but they donīt get much attention from the people that donīt listen to westcoast rap, the radio stations from the south and eastcoast donīt care about them and tv stations like MTV donīt give a fuck about them too. Thats the fucking problem. Same thing with Dre: seems like everybody thinks "Detox" will be the rebirth for the west but Iīm sure itīs not even going to be a westcoast album.

What the westcoast need is some dude that donīt rap about gangsta shit, lowriders and all that typical shit. IMO Bishop Lamont is the guy with the best chances of a successful carrier and when he  put the attention back to the west the other rappers got better chances to sell their album.

But what I donīt like is that a lot of people donīt respect what Snoop and Game do for the west. Ok, Snoopīs last track was garbage but you must remember how long he is in the game and he still can go plat. And Game did a lot for the west too, put with "DA" an record out that comes closer to a "Classic" like no other westcoast album since years.


In some part I would agree, but for most part...neh...
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: mylife on November 16, 2007, 09:53:58 AM
Man thats some real shit tj I see just what your talking about its a fuckin shame when we have one person (Dr Dre) that holds down all of the west coast and thats some crazy ass shit... That just lets you know we all have to put in some work out west but first it has to start with unity! Just look at the SOUTH its not just one person runnin shit in the south...I take my hat off to the south homie we need a true MOVEMENT on the west b cuz its lookin BAD!!! AS FUCK FOR US MAN AND THATS SAD...
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: mylife on November 16, 2007, 10:01:38 AM
thread is on point...on a side note i still cant believe that KAM changed his style to get more exposure
KAM DIDNT CHANGE HIS STYLE MY BROTHER THATS A REAL BROTHA and he just got some good management after 15 years......So its some good things on the way for Kam
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Dargine on November 16, 2007, 10:19:18 AM
Yo TJ where's Boosta at? He's dope as fuck. He still fuckin' with that Clutchaz group?
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: relic01 on November 16, 2007, 10:55:02 AM
I agree with you TJ 100%  What I find interesting is that no one on this blog mentioned the business side of this shit.  East coast niggas put there old rappers in executive positions.  Nigga's like Kwame, Def Jeff, Jay Z, etc will always eat from this shit because they are exec's.  Me and Daz Dillinger are finishing up this Fratt House album.  It's not the traditional "gangster westcoast shit, cuz that shit has had its run.  My focus right now is getting my label off the ground to sign west coast artist that are on some different shit.  But you have to build relationships in order to do that.  Alot of your favorite gangster rappers have a street mentality.  That shit don't work out well in the offices of corporate Amerikkka.  So my point is that along with bringing good music to the west, we need some new business minded cats at the forefront, and that's where I'm at!

G-Flow
Relic Entertainment
www.relicent.com
www.myspace.com/relic01
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Dargine on November 16, 2007, 10:57:20 AM
^^ This is Relic The Done?
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: relic01 on November 16, 2007, 11:10:03 AM
^^ This is Relic The Done?

No G-Flow CEO from Relic Entertainment.  I've worked with Malone, Crooked, Sly Boogy, Daz, RBX, Lady of Rage etc.   
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Dargine on November 16, 2007, 11:31:26 AM


No G-Flow CEO from Relic Entertainment.  I've worked with Malone, Crooked, Sly Boogy, Daz, RBX, Lady of Rage etc.   


Yeah I just saw that on your myspace page.. But before that I only saw the "relic01" thing and since Relic The Done is the only Relic I know in the music game..


This' Dargine, CEO from The Main Underground Stream Inc. I've worked with Al Gator, Focus (Aftermath), JUSTICE League, Big Paybacc (G-Unit West) and Lil' Murda (G-Unit South).
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: SP0RTY on November 16, 2007, 02:30:47 PM
This is how I see it...

I've been in school in the South since 2002, and before I got here, people in L.A. always saw me as a West Coast rap advocate, whether it was at my HS or in the neighborhood. When I got here, I would play nothin but West Coast, especially because I wasn't hearin any of it out here. I felt that our music was just as good, or even better, than what was out in the South at the time...but that the stations and all weren't showin us the love we deserved. I felt then, and still feel that 2000-2001 was the best span of years we've had since 94-96, and I thought we were on our way back.

Fast forward to 2007, and it feels like we've nearly been washed out the game. I feel that The Bay had a major hot streak as far as songs go, and many of their songs could have been major nationwide because they had that universal club feel to them. However, their scene hasn't been puttin out as much catchy music, and the hyphy scene has lost it's steam. L.A. rap hasn't done much of anything different since at least 2001, and even then, that was just a slightly modernized version of what we did in the 90's. Being here in Florida, I realize that 10 years ago, their music sounded like "Come and ride the train" "Tootsie roll" and Luke "Scarred"...but now it sounds like "I'm so hood" "Everyday I'm hustlin"...so why should our music sound the exact same way as it did back then?

I think we just need to re-invent the entire sound, and stop copying other coasts AND stop trying to live off the 90's legacy and come with something fresh. We're washed out the game, so even if we get a single here and there, it won't make shit happen if it sounds like what's out in the South. We see how much Mims did for the East coast with a South-soundin single.

On point as usual R. We really need a rapper not on that gang bangin/gangsta tip to blow up. Just to show some diversity out here. And not knockin that subject matter but something new and fresh.
like blu or murs
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: 40oz on November 16, 2007, 02:57:54 PM
This is the hook from my new street smasher!
************************************************** *************
The West Coast Succ's Right Now,

It's been 10 and some change since we had tight grip on the crown,

I hear the talks of niggaz bringin' it bacc,

But when they come it's the same-ol' tired ass shit in they raps,

Even the East aint eatin' right now,

Yeah.. the South got it locced, man the dirty really holdin' it down,

Karma's ah mutha fucca.. tell me how that sound,

Look who kiccin' down who buildin's now!

************************************************** **********
To hear the full song, go to: myspace.com/mrtjsantana

Also. Before those that don't know my pedigree, and start saying.. he must be from Wyoming or Maine somewhere.. he don't know what the fucc he talkin' bout. I'm from Compton!

the westcoast dont suck is just that your listening to played out rappers with no liricism, listen to guzzle, omar cruz,ya boy and all the fresh up and coming artist with talent
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Tha G In Deee on November 16, 2007, 06:08:55 PM
This is how I see it...

I've been in school in the South since 2002, and before I got here, people in L.A. always saw me as a West Coast rap advocate, whether it was at my HS or in the neighborhood. When I got here, I would play nothin but West Coast, especially because I wasn't hearin any of it out here. I felt that our music was just as good, or even better, than what was out in the South at the time...but that the stations and all weren't showin us the love we deserved. I felt then, and still feel that 2000-2001 was the best span of years we've had since 94-96, and I thought we were on our way back.

Fast forward to 2007, and it feels like we've nearly been washed out the game. I feel that The Bay had a major hot streak as far as songs go, and many of their songs could have been major nationwide because they had that universal club feel to them. However, their scene hasn't been puttin out as much catchy music, and the hyphy scene has lost it's steam. L.A. rap hasn't done much of anything different since at least 2001, and even then, that was just a slightly modernized version of what we did in the 90's. Being here in Florida, I realize that 10 years ago, their music sounded like "Come and ride the train" "Tootsie roll" and Luke "Scarred"...but now it sounds like "I'm so hood" "Everyday I'm hustlin"...so why should our music sound the exact same way as it did back then?

I think we just need to re-invent the entire sound, and stop copying other coasts AND stop trying to live off the 90's legacy and come with something fresh. We're washed out the game, so even if we get a single here and there, it won't make shit happen if it sounds like what's out in the South. We see how much Mims did for the East coast with a South-soundin single.

On point as usual R. We really need a rapper not on that gang bangin/gangsta tip to blow up. Just to show some diversity out here. And not knockin that subject matter but something new and fresh.
like blu or murs
^Word. 8)
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: tjsantana on November 17, 2007, 08:48:17 AM
to dargine.. taboo is officially bacc home with the team. we set aside our differences, and focused of the subject at hand.

to respond to mylife, relic01, and 40oz.. there is a major lacc of west orientated executives in the offices today. and most of the few that is there, foucus more on their relations with others outside our circle, because they are trying to excel. everybody wanna move up! so they fucc with whats hot or the trend, so they can look good to the powers. they aint going that extra step to try to find something hot overhere, cause they  tryna stay employed, don't really give a fucc. but in one aspect and one aspect only do i feel them. they have family as well, and they gotta eat to. but then at the same time, be a leader nigga!

relic01.. we know that dre is not our only hope, probably the best, but not the only. but it's really not dre, (to a certain point) it's more on how others view us regarding dude.

40oz.. we don't succ ass individuals, we succ as a whole! artist, exec's, media outlets, "DJ's" (they play a big part) promoters, program directors, consumers, fans, producers, artist relations, etc.. anybody that is from here or stationed here for business, or personal. we all succ ass a whole! and until all them corner's meet, it is what it is. my opinion.
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: 40oz on November 18, 2007, 05:25:56 PM
alright i thought u meant the individuals not the whole
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: tjsantana on November 18, 2007, 11:17:11 PM
naw.. of course not! it's a collective of things why we are where we're at. (as a whole)
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: MACLiFE on November 20, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
real mufuccin talk homie... nuttin else need be said.

MAC LIFE
~MAC BREED

WWW.MYSPACE.COM/MACTOBASICS
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: Dargine on November 20, 2007, 01:32:56 PM
to dargine.. taboo is officially bacc home with the team. we set aside our differences, and focused of the subject at hand.



Aight.. but what's up with Clutchaz? That shit's cancelled or what? And is homie still gonna do some solo shit?
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: IRIZ on November 20, 2007, 02:33:29 PM
ARE WE SERIOUS?................
CHECC THE DUBCNN ARCHIVES DEC. 2005.........

LISTEN TO A SONG CALLED "THATS THE WAY IT IS" BY IRIZ CREATED IN 2004. OR CLICC THIS LINK

http://profile.imeem.com/GyNbgd3/music/TgYCjKey/iriz_thats_the_way_it_is/

CATCH UP NIGGAZ !!!!!



U WANT RELIEF?????

WWW.MYSPACE.COM/IRIZTHEMOMENT

 ;D
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: IRIZ on November 20, 2007, 02:36:32 PM
OH YEAH, SHOUT OUT TO THE YOUNGHOGGZ!! WHUT UP TJ?!
Title: Re: Mr.TJ. Santana "The West Coast Succ's Right Now"
Post by: tjsantana on November 27, 2007, 08:35:02 PM
what's good homie..

the cluthaz.. i don't really know what's going on with that. but all of the hoggs are working on solo projects as of this moment. you know.. build up that catalogue.