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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: rayallen0 on December 22, 2007, 03:53:44 PM
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Who's The King of The South?
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T.I. clearly. Scarface is the greatest rapper of all time in the south, but even he said Tip is the king. Shit, I can make one LONG ass list of ppl that have said T.I is the king (Face, Trick Daddy, Young Buck, Pimp C, Bun B, Outkast, Lil Scrappy and it just keeps going). Plus the 1 guy who really called out T.I. on it got his music career ended (flip).
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T.I. clearly. Scarface is the greatest rapper of all time in the south, but even he said Tip is the king. Shit, I can make one LONG ass list of ppl that have said T.I is the king (Face, Trick Daddy, Young Buck, Pimp C, Bun B, Outkast, Lil Scrappy and it just keeps going). Plus the 1 guy who really called out T.I. on it got his music career ended (flip).
If you define "king" as who gets the most Clear Channel radio spins and Viacom owned BET / MTV vids, and who appeals to the teeny bop crowd of 106 & Park then I'd agree with you.
If you define it based on talent, originality, inherent musical genius, and innovation I'd say that mentioning TI is laughable.
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uncle face
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If you define "king" as who gets the most Clear Channel radio spins and Viacom owned BET / MTV vids, and who appeals to the teeny bop crowd of 106 & Park then I'd agree with you.
If you define it based on talent, originality, inherent musical genius, and innovation I'd say that mentioning TI is laughable.
i knew this thread seemed like bait :D
i ain't gon argue with u no more. u got ur opinion, i got mine.
all i'm sayin is that even among artists when it has been asked T.I. is the usually the answer when ppl ask bout the KOTS. Even scarface said that shit.
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If you define "king" as who gets the most Clear Channel radio spins and Viacom owned BET / MTV vids, and who appeals to the teeny bop crowd of 106 & Park then I'd agree with you.
If you define it based on talent, originality, inherent musical genius, and innovation I'd say that mentioning TI is laughable.
i knew this thread seemed like bait :D
i ain't gon argue with u no more. u got ur opinion, i got mine.
all i'm sayin is that even among artists when it has been asked T.I. is the usually the answer when ppl ask bout the KOTS. Even scarface said that shit.
But you didn't answer my question - What do YOU base the "king" title on?
You gotta understand when you keep mentioning Face saying that. I seriously doubt Face sits in his house and bumps big thangs poppin over and over again. He prolly sees him as a young black man that is having success, which he's going to support regardless. Also, alot of these rappers saying TI is king see his sales and want a piece of that pie. They're not going to potentially alienate any TI fan that could potentially buy their cd as well. It's all about business.
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T.I. is actually pretty talented...i mean ya he isn't as good as alot of ppl think but then again he isnt as bad as a lot of ppl think...imo
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My vote went to Bun B, because hes my favorite rapper in the south and hes just as dope to me now as he was when i first heard UGK.Face is dope but i enjoy listening to bun a lil more.I also think face deserves the "Oficiall King of the South" title.
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I can see the TI argument. He has been putting in work the past 3-4 years and he has gotten steadily better. Face although he has not put out albums recently at the pace a TI has or a Ludacris, he has been doing this music thing for a LONG LONG TIME. Basically took a hiatus and put out a album that shits on 90% of the music out there. And alot of people also think he is still the king. TI said it and has put in the work, Face lets the fans be the judge of that, he does not search for that title. Ludacris has also put in work.
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Ludacris should most def. be a contender 4 the title
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But you didn't answer my question - What do YOU base the "king" title on?
You gotta understand when you keep mentioning Face saying that. I seriously doubt Face sits in his house and bumps big thangs poppin over and over again. He prolly sees him as a young black man that is having success, which he's going to support regardless. Also, alot of these rappers saying TI is king see his sales and want a piece of that pie. They're not going to potentially alienate any TI fan that could potentially buy their cd as well. It's all about business.
watch the Beef 3 DVD, T.I. answers you're question perfectly.
I actually would bet that Face heard trap muzik & really liked that album. Face & Tip are homies, that's well known. That is probably why he said it. As you know I am a huge T.I. fan, and could give a fuck if Scrappy says he's the king of the south. No way i'd cop his album off that alone, and if anyone would do that, they deserve to be certified mildly retarded.
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But you didn't answer my question - What do YOU base the "king" title on?
You gotta understand when you keep mentioning Face saying that. I seriously doubt Face sits in his house and bumps big thangs poppin over and over again. He prolly sees him as a young black man that is having success, which he's going to support regardless. Also, alot of these rappers saying TI is king see his sales and want a piece of that pie. They're not going to potentially alienate any TI fan that could potentially buy their cd as well. It's all about business.
watch the Beef 3 DVD, T.I. answers you're question perfectly.
I actually would bet that Face heard trap muzik & really liked that album. Face & Tip are homies, that's well known. That is probably why he said it. As you know I am a huge T.I. fan, and could give a fuck if Scrappy says he's the king of the south. No way i'd cop his album off that alone, and if anyone would do that, they deserve to be certified mildly retarded.
So I have to watch the Beef 3 DVD to get YOUR opinion? How about you explain it for yourself instead of relying on TI to do the thinking for you. You're completely missing the point.
What is your definition of "King" (for the 3rd time now)
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itz a tie between Bun B and Scarface
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uncle face
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Face..
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i personally would like to kno what bein "king" means lol. like does it mean ur the best? just run shit? what does it mean rayallen0?!? lol
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So I have to watch the Beef 3 DVD to get YOUR opinion? How about you explain it for yourself instead of relying on TI to do the thinking for you. You're completely missing the point.
What is your definition of "King" (for the 3rd time now)
everything. rap skills, adversity, record sales, the amount of love you're city shows you, amount of work u put in, never stop workin, the shit u go through to make it to the top.
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So I have to watch the Beef 3 DVD to get YOUR opinion? How about you explain it for yourself instead of relying on TI to do the thinking for you. You're completely missing the point.
What is your definition of "King" (for the 3rd time now)
everything. rap skills, adversity, record sales, the amount of love you're city shows you, amount of work u put in, never stop workin, the shit u go through to make it to the top.
t.i. is a worthy candidate under those standards.
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'Face is the King of the South like Rakim is the King of NY. In 1991, I'd agree, but it's 2007, and in a week and a half 2008, get over it. TI is the king, Bun B is close, Luda is the closest, and Andre and Big Boi might actually be the top team, but TI is the King. The only platinum rapper from the South, and I'd say the most relevent. So I go TI.
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'Face is the King of the South like Rakim is the King of NY. In 1991, I'd agree, but it's 2007, and in a week and a half 2008, get over it. TI is the king, Bun B is close, Luda is the closest, and Andre and Big Boi might actually be the top team, but TI is the King. The only platinum rapper from the South, and I'd say the most relevent. So I go TI.
M Dogg knows what it is ;)
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i personally would like to kno what bein "king" means lol. like does it mean ur the best? just run shit? what does it mean rayallen0?!? lol
make ur own definition of a king
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I would say right now it is TI, but if Scarface starts doing the music thing full time again then I would give the edge to him. Kind of like if Ice Cube drops another solid record I start putting him back in convo with KOTW imo.
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I would say right now it is TI, but if Scarface starts doing the music thing full time again then I would give the edge to him. Kind of like if Ice Cube drops another solid record I start putting him back in convo with KOTW imo.
D also knows what it is ;)
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I would say right now it is TI, but if Scarface starts doing the music thing full time again then I would give the edge to him. Kind of like if Ice Cube drops another solid record I start putting him back in convo with KOTW imo.
D also knows what it is ;)
You can't deny the fact that TI has been putting in MAD work on the music tip. Whether people feel Luda or Face or whoever is a better rapper, you can argue that all day but very similar to how Jay-Z said he was the King of NY, TI said and at the least is doing something about it.
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I would say right now it is TI, but if Scarface starts doing the music thing full time again then I would give the edge to him. Kind of like if Ice Cube drops another solid record I start putting him back in convo with KOTW imo.
D also knows what it is ;)
You can't deny the fact that TI has been putting in MAD work on the music tip. Whether people feel Luda or Face or whoever is a better rapper, you can argue that all day but very similar to how Jay-Z said he was the King of NY, TI said and at the least is doing something about it.
yup, he really is. pharrell said the same shit bout tip
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Scarface
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T.I.
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Ludacris shits on TI. TI is better than most southern rappers but theres loads of rappers i think are better than him. Outkast, Bun B, Scarface etc...
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'Face is the King of the South like Rakim is the King of NY. In 1991, I'd agree, but it's 2007, and in a week and a half 2008, get over it. TI is the king, Bun B is close, Luda is the closest, and Andre and Big Boi might actually be the top team, but TI is the King. The only platinum rapper from the South, and I'd say the most relevent. So I go TI.
Nah, that's just wrong
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Luda and Jeezy did 1mil as well. Plus Ludas sold loads more than TI and had more top ten hits so if we looking at it like that then Ludas king.
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Luda and Jeezy did 1mil as well. Plus Ludas sold loads more than TI and had more top ten hits so if we looking at it like that then Ludas king.
well record sales alone dont make you king.
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To me it's either Face (old school) or Chamillionaire (from the younger generation). Not a TI fan.
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t.i
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To me it's either Face (old school) or Chamillionaire (from the younger generation). Not a TI fan.
i think chamill is one of the best in the south. but theres a certain "king type" swagger that i dont think he rele has.
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I'm not really sure who's the king, but Luda is one of the - if not the, most versatile rapper from the dirty dirty
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bty y'all, T.I. is the only southern rapper platinum in 2007. Luda & Jeezy didn't release discs this year.
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I don't see how any new rapper (i.e. T.I., as he's mentioned in this poll) can fuck with Scarface when it comes to the lame "King of the South" title. Does anyone of you guys even know what a king is? :-\
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I don't see how any new rapper (i.e. T.I., as he's mentioned in this poll) can fuck with Scarface when it comes to the lame "King of the South" title. Does anyone of you guys even know what a king is? :-\
that's you're opinion, but T.I. ain't really "new". 5 albums deep with a 6 on the way already, is not a "new" artist. Shit, Face only has 8 solos that HE released. If it wasn't for the all b.s releases they'd be close in number of solo discs. But Face IS the greatest ever from the south. Like someone said though, he's not active enough as of right now to be called "the king of the south" in 2007.
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I don't see how any new rapper (i.e. T.I., as he's mentioned in this poll) can fuck with Scarface when it comes to the lame "King of the South" title. Does anyone of you guys even know what a king is? :-\
that's you're opinion, but T.I. ain't really "new". 5 albums deep with a 6 on the way already, is not a "new" artist. Shit, Face only has 8 solos that HE released. If it wasn't for the all b.s releases they'd be close in number of solo discs. But Face IS the greatest ever from the south. Like someone said though, he's not active enough as of right now to be called "the king of the south" in 2007.
YOUR
I don't care how much albums they have released, but I do know that Scarface has been around a lot longer than T.I. and paved a way for T.I.
A real life king is usually king for the biggest part of his life. Having that in mind, for me Scarface has the crown.
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I don't see how any new rapper (i.e. T.I., as he's mentioned in this poll) can fuck with Scarface when it comes to the lame "King of the South" title. Does anyone of you guys even know what a king is? :-\
that's you're opinion, but T.I. ain't really "new". 5 albums deep with a 6 on the way already, is not a "new" artist. Shit, Face only has 8 solos that HE released. If it wasn't for the all b.s releases they'd be close in number of solo discs. But Face IS the greatest ever from the south. Like someone said though, he's not active enough as of right now to be called "the king of the south" in 2007.
YOUR
I don't care how much albums they have released, but I do know that Scarface has been around a lot longer than T.I. and paved a way for T.I.
A real life king is usually king for the biggest part of his life. Having that in mind, for me Scarface has the crown.
Not necessarily. All that really means is that Face is the greatest KING of all time, but T.I. is currently holding the crown. Doesn't mean he is a "better" king than face was. But then again this whole "king" talk was never mentioned by anyone until T.I. said he was. And when he said, nobody really called em out on it, therefore making him King in a lot of ppl's minds.
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I don't see how any new rapper (i.e. T.I., as he's mentioned in this poll) can fuck with Scarface when it comes to the lame "King of the South" title. Does anyone of you guys even know what a king is? :-\
that's you're opinion, but T.I. ain't really "new". 5 albums deep with a 6 on the way already, is not a "new" artist. Shit, Face only has 8 solos that HE released. If it wasn't for the all b.s releases they'd be close in number of solo discs. But Face IS the greatest ever from the south. Like someone said though, he's not active enough as of right now to be called "the king of the south" in 2007.
YOUR
I don't care how much albums they have released, but I do know that Scarface has been around a lot longer than T.I. and paved a way for T.I.
A real life king is usually king for the biggest part of his life. Having that in mind, for me Scarface has the crown.
Not necessarily. All that really means is that Face is the greatest KING of all time, but T.I. is currently holding the crown. Doesn't mean he is a "better" king than face was. But then again this whole "king" talk was never mentioned by anyone until T.I. said he was. And when he said, nobody really called em out on it, therefore making him King in a lot of ppl's minds.
read my post again
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Camron
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How do u define relevant? If thats based on album sales then you might as well still consider MC Hammer the King of the West, i'm almost certain he still has the highest selling album for a westcoast artist. If your talking the combination of lyricist, entrepreneur, album sales,outright talent, and(excluding Scarface-who took himself out of the running) longevity TI can't even see Ludacris. And I am someone who didn't even like Luda when he came out.
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Yeah I am a big Luda fan. He has been quiet for a bit since Release Therapy dropped, doing the CEO thing a blazing a couple guest appearance spots. Definitely when he is on his game I put him at the top.
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luda
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Ludas one of the few new southern acts thats seen as lyrically powerful as an east coast rapper but got as much swagger as a west/southern artist.
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as soon as I saw the title of this thread, I thought to myself, "wouldn't it be better to just title it 'who doesn't think Scarface is King of the South?'"
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Let's face the facts here. Scarface has been around since the 80s. He's not only THE pioneer of Southern hip-hop (along with the rest of The Geto Boys,) he's one of the pioneers of hip-hop, period. T.I. comes from the next generation of rappers. There's no way he will ever take the place of an OG like Scarface, whether or not he "claimed" king status. Face didn't claim it probably because he doesn't give a fuck. He knows he's the shit, so why bother making claims like that? That covers the status aspect.
Lyrically, no one from the South is fucking with Face. In fact, I'd dare say he's still one of the best lyricists out there in all of hip-hop. Factor in all of the classic albums he's made over the years, and the impact he's had on hip-hop, and he's one of the greatest rappers of all time. Do you think T.I. will ever be considered a legend like Face is now? I don't. I think T.I. is tight, but he's not on the same level as someone like Scarface.
I'd also mention Jermaine Dupri as a "King of the South."
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^face don't get the credit he deserve. the most impressive discography in the history of rap (yea i said that shit) ;D
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^face don't get the credit he deserve. the most impressive discography in the history of rap (yea i said that shit) ;D
damn, that's a crazy statement! yeah, i agree. i think TI is really dope though, and as far as commercial sales, he's definitely on top right now.
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^face don't get the credit he deserve. the most impressive discography in the history of rap (yea i said that shit) ;D
to me that belongs to outkast...scarface is just etter than either of those mc's alone tho but
Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik-classic
ATLiens-classic
Aquemini-classic
Stankonia-classic
Speakerboxxx/The Love Below-near classic
Idlewild-near classic
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^face don't get the credit he deserve. the most impressive discography in the history of rap (yea i said that shit) ;D
damn, that's a crazy statement! yeah, i agree. i think TI is really dope though, and as far as commercial sales, he's definitely on top right now.
I don't agree. If you look at T.I. he has released nearly as much albums as Scarface and all of T.I.'s albums were classics, as opposed to Scarface who has good albums, but they're not all classics. Let's get the facts straight here: if any rapper doesn't get the credit he deserves it's T.I.
Face it!
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eddie: yeah man. Face is ridiculously dope & T.I is on top of the south commercial wise
ray allen: i wasn't feelin 3-stacks style on the love below, to each his own. Idlewild was hella avg.
smegma: LOL ur a damn fool
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^face don't get the credit he deserve. the most impressive discography in the history of rap (yea i said that shit) ;D
damn, that's a crazy statement! yeah, i agree. i think TI is really dope though, and as far as commercial sales, he's definitely on top right now.
I don't agree. If you look at T.I. he has released nearly as much albums as Scarface and all of T.I.'s albums were classics, as opposed to Scarface who has good albums, but they're not all classics. Let's get the facts straight here: if any rapper doesn't get the credit he deserves it's T.I.
Face it!
This is my last reply for a minute so here it goes:
WHAT THE FUCK!!!
WHAT KIND OF WEED ARE YOU SMOKING? Are you saying that T.I. has a better discography then Scarface? Arguably Face has at least 3,4 classic albums, maybe more. No offense against TI but god damn.
OK I just had to get that out of my system. Good Evening.
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This is my last reply for a minute so here it goes:
WHAT THE FUCK!!!
WHAT KIND OF WEED ARE YOU SMOKING? Are you saying that T.I. has a better discography then Scarface? Arguably Face has at least 3,4 classic albums, maybe more. No offense against TI but god damn.
OK I just had to get that out of my system. Good Evening.
figure u won't see this D but u must not know smegma ;)
He's being sarcastic. He HATES T.I. & pretty much follows me in a lot of threads making comments about me or T.I. trying to piss me off.
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Scarface nikkas.
Luda got Prince.
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Whoa, Stankonia ain't no damn classic
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hell yea it is...and im sure im not the only 1 who thinks so...let me find some
http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top100RapAlbums_4.htm
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3fpsa9qgl23g
http://www.buy.com/retail/proreviews/product.asp?sku=60410355&loc=109&PageFormat=7
http://www.buy.com/retail/proreviews/product.asp?sku=60410355&loc=109&PageFormat=7
http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=OutKast
another one with a good discography is the roots
classics:
Outkast: 4
Roots: 4
Nas: 3
2pac: 3
A Tribe Called Quest: 3
Scarface: 2 (Diary & The Fix)
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It's a cool album, but imo - no classic
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KING OF THE SOUTH
1. Mainstream king of the south - T.I OR LIL WAYNE
2. ALL TIME KING OF THE SOUTH - SCARFACE
3. GROUPS - OUTKAST OR THREE SIX MAFIA & PROJECT PAT
4. UNDERGROUND KINGZ - U.G.K
5. UNDERATED KING OF THE SOUTH - LUDACRIS 8) 8)
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Ludacris... no one in the south rocks a crowd better than he does
and so many hit records after records,
Face already but now.. Luda , then id say Cham then T.i.p.
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i cant believe there is even a debate on this.
Clearly scarface is the king, its irrelevant who has been the most active or sold the most.
Its all down to quality , which scarface easily surpasses people like TI.
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Bun-B is the king of the south & after "II Trill" every1 will agree.
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Ludas one of the few new southern acts thats seen as lyrically powerful as an east coast rapper but got as much swagger as a west/southern artist.
That's a very good point, didn't even realize that
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Cube altogether has probably the most classics: Straight Outta Compton, AMeriKKKas Most Wanted, Death Certificate and Bow Down (Predator and Lethal Injection were pretty crazy as well.)
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uncle face
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Cube altogether has probably the most classics: Straight Outta Compton, AMeriKKKas Most Wanted, Death Certificate and Bow Down (Predator and Lethal Injection were pretty crazy as well.)
???
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bty y'all, T.I. is the only southern rapper platinum in 2007. Luda & Jeezy didn't release discs this year.
Scarfaces album takes a nasty shit all over TI's album this year. Scarface wins.
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Face is to the south what Too $hort is to the Bay