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Cosmology
Then he turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke (dukhaan): He said to it and to the earth: come you together, willingly or unwillingly. They said: we do come (together) in willing obedience. [Qur’an 41:11]
Scientists now can observe new stars forming up out of that smoke, which is the origin of our universe, as we see on these picture.
Expansion of the Universe
The following verse of the Qur'an where God is speaking, may perhaps be compared with modern ideas: "The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily. We are expanding it. [Qur’an 51:47]
The expansion of the Universe is the most imposing discovery of modern science. Today it is a firmly established concept and the only debate centres around the way this is taking place. It was first suggested by the general theory of relativity and is backed up by physics in the examination of the galactic spectrum; the regular movement towards the red section of their spectrum may be explained by the distancing of one galaxy from another. Thus the size of the Universe is probably constantly increasing and this increase will become bigger the further away the galaxies are from us.
Evolution
Is it not a fact that there was a time when the human being was nothing to be mentioned? We created the human from a liquid mixture, from two parents, in order to test him. Thus, we made him a hearer and a seer.
[Qur’an 76:1-2]
And God created every living creature from water. Some of them walk on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. God creates whatever He wills. God is Omnipotent. [Qur’an 24:45]
Embryology
What is the matter with you, that you are not conscious of God’s Majesty. Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages? [Qur’an 71:13-14]
He creates you in the wombs of your mother, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. [Qur’an 39:6]
... Subsequently, we reproduced him from a tiny drop, that is placed into a well protected repository. Then we developed the drop into a hanging (embryo), then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones, then covered the bones with flesh. We thus produce a new creature. Most blessed is God, the best Creator. Then, later on, you die. Then, on the Day of Resurrection, you will be resurrected. [Qur'an 23:12-16]
It was not until the middle of the 19th century when the scientists began to discover that the human embryonic development took place in several successive stages.
A noted embryologist Keith L. Moore and expert in his field, upon being presented with the statements made in the Qur’an regarding the stages of the formation of the embryo from the mixing of the male and female gametes up to the embryo’s full development remarked "It has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about Human Development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later."
A famous French physician Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 and expressed the complete agreement of the Qur’an and established findings of modern science. He presented his study on the existence in the Qur’an of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction. His reason for doing that was that "our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur’an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times".
Geology
When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of God, Who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do. [Qur'an 27:88]
And the mountains as pegs. [Qur’an 78:7]
And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you. [Qur’an 16:15]
And we sent down Iron, in which is great might, as well as many benefits for mankind [Qur’an 57:25]
Conquest of Space
O assembly of Jinns and Men, if you can penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them save with a Power. [Qur’an 55:33]
"Even if We opened unto them a gate to Heaven and they were to continue ascending therein, they would say: our sight is confused as in drunkenness. Nay, we are people bewitched.” [Qur’an 15:14-15]
When talking of the conquest of space therefore, we have two passages in the text of the Qur'an: one of them refers to what will one day become a reality thanks to the powers of intelligence and ingenuity God will give to man, and the other describes an event that the unbelievers in Makka will never witness, hence its character of a condition never to be realized.
The event will however be seen by others, as intimated in the first verse quoted above. It describes the human reactions to the unexpected spectacle that travelers in space will see: their confused sight, as in drunkenness, the feeling of being bewitched. This is exactly how astronauts have experienced this remarkable adventure since the first human space flight in 1961.
It is known in actual fact how once one is above the Earth's atmosphere, the Heavens no longer have the azure appearance we see from Earth. The human observer in space above the Earth's atmosphere sees a black sky and the Earth seems to be surrounded by a halo of bluish color due to the same phenomena of absorption of light by the Earth's atmosphere.
Other Facts
In regards to Clouds, “Have you not seen how God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it...?” [Qur'an 24:43]
Preservation of gentic data, “Does the human being think that We will not reconstruct his bones ? Yes indeed; We are able to recreate even his fingerprint.” [Qur’an 75:3-4]
Lost City of Ubar, “Seest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the 'Ad (people),- Of the (city of) Iram, with lofty pillars, The like of which were not produced in (all) the land?” [Qur’an 89:6-8]
Currently, about 1,000 scientific signs have been identified in the entire Qur’an.
Qur’an: A Reminder to the Worlds
It must be stressed that the Qur'an is accurate about many things, but accuracy does not necessarily mean that a book is a divine revelation. In fact, accuracy is only one of the criteria for divine revelations.
The Qur'an states, "This book is a divine revelation; if you do not believe that, then what is it?" In other words, the reader is challenged to come up with some other explanation. Here is a book made of paper and ink. Where did it come from? It says it is a divine revelation; if it is not, then what is its source?
… and they say, 'Surely he [i.e. Prophet Muhammed] is possessed [by jinn], ’ but it [i.e., the Qur'an] is not except a reminder to the worlds." [Qur’an 68:51-52]
References
A Scientist's Interpretation of References to Embryology in the Qur'an, Keith L. Moore, Ph.D, F.I.A.C., Professor of Anatomy and Associate Dean Basic Sciences, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, Canada (http://www.ummah.org.uk/science/moore.htm)
The Amazing Qur’an, Professor Gary Miller, University of Essex Islamic Society (http://www.ummah.org.uk/science/amzquran.htm)
“What Is the Origin of Man” and “The Bible, the Qur’an and Science” by Maurice Bucaille
Newly Discovered Scientific Facts Revealed in The Qur’an and Authentic Sunnah (http://www.it-is-truth.org)
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Seen something like this before.....
Dosn't prove the Koran scientifically or the 'truth' or anything, but if you can look at alot of these religious/mythological/mystic articles with a sane mind they are interesting correlations/parrallels, but they have been up-played however, regardless, IMO the 'truth' is not defined to any particular field, whether it be Islam, science, busting a sweet nut in raw tight heavily lubricated pussy, or enjoying the sunset and the cool wind on your dome...see God in all things not just in your Koran or your Islam.
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
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"Sun, know you are Allah, never deny yourself of being Allah, even if the whole world denies you, never denies yourself. Because it's your own doubt that can stop you from being Allah"
This is in total contradiction with the Qu'ran, open up your eyes ans see the truth...May Allah guide you on the right path.
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"Sun, know you are Allah, never deny yourself of being Allah, even if the whole world denies you, never denies yourself. Because it's your own doubt that can stop you from being Allah"
This is in total contradiction with the Qu'ran, open up your eyes ans see the truth...May Allah guide you on the right path.
dont worry about about me. i dropped this due to science. ALLAH is me. ALLAH -Arm leg leg arm head. God lives through me [my whole body].
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
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^ Thank you. Now I got it.
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"Sun, know you are Allah, never deny yourself of being Allah, even if the whole world denies you, never denies yourself. Because it's your own doubt that can stop you from being Allah"
This is in total contradiction with the Qu'ran, open up your eyes ans see the truth...May Allah guide you on the right path.
dont worry about about me. i dropped this due to science. ALLAH is me. ALLAH -Arm leg leg arm head. God lives through me [my whole body].
Ive always remained wary of what some notions of 5% may become when coupled with ignorance, as with any religion. IMO, there is more to it then just claiming "you are god", that resembles part of Satan's mentality/beef/what got his panties in a knot when he split from God (as the Bible talks about it).
5% theology has parrallels of truth with Hinduism, in that Hinduism theology consists of the notion of;
The Universal Self (atman), the God in YOU. Arm
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and the Ultimate Reality (Brahman). That is ALLAH, the Creator, God, Yahwe, Jah.
In its deepest essence, the human soul (the atman) is identical with the immortal Brahman (ALLAH, God) that sustains the entire universe.
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I shall tell you of the soul. The soul is God who is immortal and infinite, who has no beginning and will have no end, and who both exists and does not exist. Those who know the soul, are immortal.
The soul dwells in every living being, and in every part of every living being; it dwells in the hand and the foot, the skull and the mouth, the eye and the ear. Although it does not itself have senses, it shines through every sense. It is completely independent, yet all beings depend on it.
The soul is both near every living being, and far from every being. The soul is both inside and outside every living being. The soul is the cause of movement, but does not itself move. The soul is one, yet has innumerable forms. The soul creates, preserves, and destroys.
The soul is the light of every light; and its light transcends the duality of brightness and darkness. The soul is the light of knowledge; and its light is also the goal of knowledge. In the soul the subject and object of knowledge are one.
Bhagavad Gita 13.12-17
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Difference between Satan though, is that he wanted to be praised, prayed to, glorified etc. Thats not what im saying. Big difference.
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One thang I love about that shit, is that teaching stuff. That is some good shit. The enlightening part.
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religious wackos of any kind do not equate with truth, unless you are caught up in that particular cult and you need it to get by in your feeble little mind
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Difference between Satan though, is that he wanted to be praised, prayed to, glorified etc. Thats not what im saying. Big difference.
Word. Surely you get my point though.
Peace God.
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Difference between Satan though, is that he wanted to be praised, prayed to, glorified etc. Thats not what im saying. Big difference.
Word. Surely you get my point though.
Peace God.
yea i get your point cant tell if you just mockin though
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Difference between Satan though, is that he wanted to be praised, prayed to, glorified etc. Thats not what im saying. Big difference.
Word. Surely you get my point though.
Peace God.
yea i get your point cant tell if you just mockin though
Hell no.
Peace. (no mockery).
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Difference between Satan though, is that he wanted to be praised, prayed to, glorified etc. Thats not what im saying. Big difference.
Word. Surely you get my point though.
Peace God.
yea i get your point cant tell if you just mockin though
Hell no.
Peace. (no mockery).
O thats what it is. thats peace. your avatar did you draw that picture? its a sick picture
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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
Exactly!!
I don't like science at all. Sorry I just don't. I don't know why niggas on that shit.
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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in?
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:laugh:
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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in?
no,no,no. That's another religion. I mean Science as taught in school, as reported in the news, SCIENCE, scientists are actually practicing a religion. I'm not saying I'm against it, I'm not against any religion. I'm just saying that Science is a religion just like Christianity is a religion, and there's no validity in picking science over religion. As the guy was showing above, just like Islam and Christianity has a lot of similarities, Science and Islam or Science and Christianity also share similar fundamentals because they're all types of religion. People worship the Global Warming theory, for instance, in much the same way people worship the creation theory.
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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in?
no,no,no. That's another religion. I mean Science as taught in school, as reported in the news, SCIENCE, scientists are actually practicing a religion. I'm not saying I'm against it, I'm not against any religion. I'm just saying that Science is a religion just like Christianity is a religion, and there's no validity in picking science over religion. As the guy was showing above, just like Islam and Christianity has a lot of similarities, Science and Islam or Science and Christianity also share similar fundamentals because they're all types of religion. People worship the Global Warming theory, for instance, in much the same way people worship the creation theory.
yea but one thing i think thats different between the two is that science has facts. and religion is based solely on faith and belief which leaves room for errors,inconsistency/ doubt etc. With science its possible that one can say " I Know such such" but with religion all they can say is " I be- LIE-ve such such".
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As I get older I begin to realize what many people have realized before me, Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way, Science abandons faith for instance, etc.... therefore it's not strange at all to me that Science and religion would have similar parallel points.
WHen u guys say science do you mean the Scientology shit Tom Cruise is in?
no,no,no. That's another religion. I mean Science as taught in school, as reported in the news, SCIENCE, scientists are actually practicing a religion. I'm not saying I'm against it, I'm not against any religion. I'm just saying that Science is a religion just like Christianity is a religion, and there's no validity in picking science over religion. As the guy was showing above, just like Islam and Christianity has a lot of similarities, Science and Islam or Science and Christianity also share similar fundamentals because they're all types of religion. People worship the Global Warming theory, for instance, in much the same way people worship the creation theory.
yea but one thing i think thats different between the two is that science has facts. and religion is based solely on faith and belief which leaves room for errors,inconsistency/ doubt etc. With science its possible that one can say " I Know such such" but with religion all they can say is " I be- LIE-ve such such".
Depends how you look at it... in your post you presented quotes from the Quran that make scientific statements... some of these things weren't "proven" by scientists until centuries later... now here's the thing, the Quran is believed to be God's word... so if God states "the Earth is a sphere"... all scientists end up doing is proving what was already stated using mathematics, etc... throughout history, the more scientists have discovered, the more has been in parallel with religion... and on top of that, science is mostly based on theories, estimates, assumptions, etc... I mean do you really believe anybody has any fucking clue how hot the core of the Sun gets?....and on top of that, there are always new theories replacing or changing old ones... put it this way, Pluto isn't even a fucking planet anymore... a few years ago "Pluto is a planet" was a 'fact'... now it's not... so much for facts.
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!
However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!
Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..
And on that note, I'll say no more!
Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!
However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!
Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..
And on that note, I'll say no more!
Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
i feel but on the other hand this place is for building like hammers and nails. if a nigga cant take what u drop fuck 'em
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!
However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!
Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..
And on that note, I'll say no more!
Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
You obviously have no fucking clue.
It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims.
You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? :)
The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc.
What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians.
I went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.
"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.
The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
King of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help
Guide us to the straight way;
The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!
However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!
Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..
And on that note, I'll say no more!
Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
You obviously have no fucking clue.
It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims.
You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? :)
The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc.
What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians.
"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.
The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
King of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help
Guide us to the straight way;
The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
i Actually do know!!
it's not 'my logic''
It's the way it is...
yes Islam views Christ as a prophet, but deny his divinity,which holds true for Christianity
And no the jews and Christians believe in the same God!!!
They did not accept Christ,cuz accordingly to them and He was the messiah they were looking for!!
But We believe in the same god..the God Of Judea!!
Well both deities can't be the same,their principlies differ, this is obvious just by merely reading both Holy Books of the respective faiths!
I went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.
^^Why would they go to an Imam,why not go to a priest or go to Church??
You wouldn't expect a muslim to seek guidance from a priest???
Think about it,why say a prayer that is of a different faith,to talk to your God,who is of a different faith.
That is like speaking French to an English person..
"Surah Al-Fatiha"=>How does this not differ for the Xtians view of God
How come Prophet Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible,if both faiths are the same??
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!
However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!
Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..
And on that note, I'll say no more!
Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
You obviously have no fucking clue.
It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims.
You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? :)
The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc.
What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians.
"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.
The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
King of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help
Guide us to the straight way;
The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
i Actually do know!!
it's not 'my logic''
It's the way it is...
yes Islam views Christ as a prophet, but deny his divinity,which holds true for Christianity
And no the jews and Christians believe in the same God!!!
They did not accept Christ,cuz accordingly to them and He was the messiah they were looking for!!
But We believe in the same god..the God Of Judea!!
Well both deities can't be the same,their principlies differ, this is obvious just by merely reading both Holy Books of the respective faiths!
I went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.
^^Why would they go to an Imam,why not go to a priest or go to Church??
You wouldn't expect a muslim to seek guidance from a priest???
Think about it,why say a prayer that is of a different faith,to talk to your God,who is of a different faith.
That is like speaking French to an English person..
"Surah Al-Fatiha"=>How does this not differ for the Xtians view of God
How come Prophet Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible,if both faiths are the same??
LOL. You're dumber than I thought.
Yes, I know that Jews and Christians believe in the same God... and so do Muslims. I never said both faiths are the same. I said they believe in the same God.
Like you said, Jews and Christians believe in the same God, but are of different "faiths"... the same applies here. Obviously there are theological differences... otherwise there would only be one religion. It's really a lot less complicated than you make it.
As for Surah Al-Fatiha, show me what part of this Christians would disagree with:
"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.
The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
King of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help
Guide us to the straight way;
The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
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Do ya'll call God, Allah, God, or both??
Allah is just the Arabic term for God... Arab Christians use the word Allah to refer to God, just like Spanish-speaking Christians say "Dios", etc... all referring to the same God.
...Well that's One way To Look at it J @ M @ L!!
But The Christian God is not considered Allah of the Islam faith though..
Even though Arab-Christians refer to Him as 'Allah' due to their native tongue,but in reality there are two separate Beings!
I'm not dissing you or anything, I'm just trying to explain from perspective!!
really? i always thought they were the same God. Because the prophets are in the Koran. Its just that to Muslims, Mohammad was the last prophet to bring the word of God.
^Well according to the Muslim faith yes,that would be accurate!!
However in the Xtian faith,it's different!!
Both deities are so different in their relationship towards man,that it's so clear to see..
And on that note, I'll say no more!
Not that i don't know what I'm talking about, rather not to offend others of different faith!!
You obviously have no fucking clue.
It's not "one way to look at it"... that's what it is. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, and they know it is the same deity as the God worshipped by Muslims.
You said "in reality there are two separate Beings!".... so you're saying there are two Gods? :)
The difference is as the other guy stated, that Muslims believe Mohammed to be the last messenger... and the two faiths differ on their view of the nature of Jesus... Muslims consider him a prophet, while Christians believe he is God/The Son of God/etc.
What you're saying would mean that Jews and Christians also don't believe in the same God, since Jews didn't accept Jesus Christ... so according to your logic (if I can even call it that) Christians believe that they're worshipping the same God as Jews, but Jews feel that they're not worshipping the same God as Christians.
"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.
The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
King of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help
Guide us to the straight way;
The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
i Actually do know!!
it's not 'my logic''
It's the way it is...
yes Islam views Christ as a prophet, but deny his divinity,which holds true for Christianity
And no the jews and Christians believe in the same God!!!
They did not accept Christ,cuz accordingly to them and He was the messiah they were looking for!!
But We believe in the same god..the God Of Judea!!
Well both deities can't be the same,their principlies differ, this is obvious just by merely reading both Holy Books of the respective faiths!
I went to Lebanon on vacation a while back... the Christians there would go to Muslim imams/sheikhs for guidance sometimes... and they had no problem reciting Surah Al-Fatiha from the Quran in their prayers because they know that they're worshipping the same God... since the message in Surah Al-Fatiha doesn't differ from Christians' view of God.
^^Why would they go to an Imam,why not go to a priest or go to Church??
You wouldn't expect a muslim to seek guidance from a priest???
Think about it,why say a prayer that is of a different faith,to talk to your God,who is of a different faith.
That is like speaking French to an English person..
"Surah Al-Fatiha"=>How does this not differ for the Xtians view of God
How come Prophet Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible,if both faiths are the same??
LOL. You're dumber than I thought.
lol..I'm Not Dumb!!!!
I've posted nothing to warrant me being referred to as 'Dumb'
Yes, I know that Jews and Christians believe in the same God... and so do Muslims. I never said both faiths are the same. I said they believe in the same God.
Then in that regard,i apologize!
However i would like to state that i still disagree,with respect to Islam believing in the same God, as the Judaism and Christianity do.
We unfortunately have to agree to disagree on that!!
As for Surah Al-Fatiha, show me what part of this Christians would disagree with:
"In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.
The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
King of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help
Guide us to the straight way;
The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."
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^I find nothing wrong with the above^
I personally won't feel connected with My God,if i had to say that prayer!
Prayer is very personal,there has too be that feeling of connection, so me repeating the above will not work for me!!
I would question some Xtians doing,cuz i feel it's just not right!
However if they feel happy doing it,then more blessings to them,but it's just a personal choice for
me not to d it!
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Difference between Satan though, is that he wanted to be praised, prayed to, glorified etc. Thats not what im saying. Big difference.
Word. Surely you get my point though.
Peace God.
yea i get your point cant tell if you just mockin though
Hell no.
Peace. (no mockery).
O thats what it is. thats peace. your avatar did you draw that picture? its a sick picture
nah simply jacked it. I got made artworks tho, will post up eventually, lifes a hustle. Word brother.
...and word to Trauma.
Science is nothing more than another religion, and all religion attempts to understand the world we're in, all go about it in a different way,
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Thats real, thats why I say:
see God in all things.
...because Brahma/Allah/GOD/Yahweh/Jah is
...and science, religion, etc are all in a way telescopes and microscopes just with different types of lenses fitted inorder to percieve the God. But all these lenses are vulnerable and imperfect like all of Man's creations and can get chipped, distorted, murky and muggy at times. My attitude is fuck a lense my eyes work fine, by all means try them on, for real try them on for the experience and the seeking, you need that to experience, but have any one lense on for too long and you forget your own eyes.
Allah is father of all
You debate whether big, whether small
Whether short, whether tall
Whether dense, whether length
Whether strength, whether width
Either man, animal, bird or fish
Whether, black or white, more shapes than snowflakes
Existin', everywhere but you still can't locate
-The RZA, "a day to God is a 1,000 years".