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Racial tensions roil Democratic race
By: Ben Smith
Jan 11, 2008 03:04 PM EST
Hillary and Bill Clinton
Comments from the Clintons and Clinton supporters are spurring a racial backlash.
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A series of comments from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband, and her supporters are spurring a racial backlash and adding a divisive edge to the presidential primary as the candidates head south to heavily African-American South Carolina.
The comments, which ranged from the New York senator appearing to diminish the role of Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights movement — an aide later said she misspoke — to Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama’s image in the media as a “fairy tale” — generated outrage on black radio, black blogs and cable television. And now they've drawn the attention of prominent African-American politicians.
“A cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements,” said Obama spokeswoman Candice Tolliver, who said that Clinton would have to decide whether she owed anyone an apology.
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“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments — and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?”
Clinton supporters responded to that suggestion with their own outrage.
“To say that there is a pattern of racist comments coming out of the Hillary campaign is ridiculous,” said Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones. “All of the world knows the commitment of President Clinton and Sen. Clinton to civil rights issues — and not only the commitment in terms of words but in terms of deeds.”
Referring to the King quote, Sheila Jackson Lee, another Clinton supporter, said Clinton was trying to contrast King and Obama, not to diminish King: "It really is a question of focusing on the suggestion that you can inspire without deeds — what is well known to the child who studies Dr. King in school is that yes, he spoke, but he also moved people to action."
But other black Clinton supporters found themselves wincing at the Clintons’ words, if not questioning their intent.
A Harlem-based consultant to the Clinton campaign, Bill Lynch, called the former president’s comments “a mistake,” and said his own phone had been ringing with friends around the country voicing their concern.
“I’ve been concerned about some of those comments — and that there might be a backlash,” he said.
Illinois State Senate President Emil Jones, a prominent Obama supporter, echoed those sentiments.
"It’s very unfortunate that the president would make a statement like that," he said of Bill Clinton's criticism of Obama's experience, adding that the African-American community had "saved his presidency" after the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
"They owe the African-American community — not the reverse," he said. "Maybe Hillary and Bill should get behind Sen. Barack Obama."
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., through a spokesman, used even stronger language. "Following Barack Obama's victory in Iowa and historic voter turnout in New Hampshire, the cynics unfortunately have stepped up their efforts to decry his uplifting message of hope and fundamental change.
"Regrettably, they have resorted to distasteful and condescending language that appeals to our fears rather than our hopes. I sincerely hope that they'll turn away from such reactionary, disparaging rhetoric."
Many analysts think Clinton won New Hampshire on the back of a feminist backlash against criticism from her rivals and the media, and now, after his own defeat, it’s Obama’s turn. Race is particularly complicated turf this year, however, in a contest that features two towering figures who pride themselves for breaking racial barriers in American politics.
The first is Bill Clinton, sometimes referred to as “the first black president,” who now finds himself on the same uncertain ground as any other white politician speaking dismissively of an African-American rival.
He was expected to call into the Rev. Al Sharpton’s radio show, which airs in South Carolina, Friday afternoon, to explain his “fairy tale”.
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Breaking: Sen. Hillary Clinton Has Temper, Hate
What better way to start a Monday morning than with a dumpster truck full of angry, bad language? A self-described Clinton expert sent us some comments allegedly made by Sen. Hillary Clinton in which she hates on Jews, Irish, sluts, Maureen Dowd, preschoolers, health care, state troopers, the Secret Service and her own husband. While our tipster was unable to spell out profanity without using asterisks, he assures us that the dated, yet hilarious comments are sourced. Phew! Because we didn’t really want to spend our morning fact checking this shit. So, let’s chat. Let’s share, and start a dialogue. Let’s go back to a kinder, more gentler time when seething, anger and bitterness were acknowledged virtues. After the jump, feel the warmth:
“Fuck off! It’s enough that I have to see you shit kickers every day. I’m not going to talk to you, too. Just do your goddamn job and keep your mouth shut.” -to Arkansas state trooper bodyguards (American Evita, p. 90)
“You fucking idiot.” -to a state trooper who was driving her to an event. (Crossfire, p. 84).
“That sorry son of a bitch.” -what Hillary would often refer to Bill around the Arkansas’s governor’s mansion, according to state trooper Larry Patterson.
“Personal, trained pigs.”-Hillary describing Secret Service. (Unlimited Access, p. 90).
“Get fucked! Get the fuck out of my way! Get out of my face!” -Hillary, overheard by Secret Service details. (Hillary’s Scheme, p. 89)
“Stay the fuck back, stay the fuck away from me! Don’t come within ten yards of me, or else! … Just fucking do as I say, okay!” —to Secret Service agents who were committed to protecting her life (Unlimited Access, p. 139).
“What the fuck is going on?” -to a Secret Service agent after she read an article by a UC Berkeley student critical of Chelsea Clinton who was subsequently interrogated by the Secret Service (SFGate.com, 11/26/97).
“Motherfucker. Cocksucker.” -favorite names for husband (Boy Clinton, p. 278)
“You goddamn stupid fucking fool.” —to Bill (Newsmax.com, 07/15/00).
“You fucking asshole.”-to husband on Inauguration Day (Hillary’s Choice, p. 223).
“You stupid motherfucker.” -another Inauguration Day salvo (The Seduction of Hillary Rodham, p. 321).
“Gentlemen, I have looked at your proposal, and it’s pure bullshit! Now you’ve had your meeting! Get out!” -First Lady to health insurance executives after a meeting in which they presented their proposal for health care reform (Unlimited Access, p. 88).
“What the fuck are you doing up there? You get back here right away.” -on the phone chastising Bill because he had floated a health care reform proposal that differed from hers (The Survivor, p. 118). As always, one must wonder who elected her, anyway?
“Come back here, you asshole! Where the fuck do you think you’re going?”-to the president when he tried to avoid her (Unlimited Access, p. 192).
“How could you be so damn stupid? How could you do that?”-to her hubby, our president, at the White House in front of guests, after he had done something of which Hillary disapproved (U.S. News & World Report, 02/05/96).
“You stupid fucking moron. How could you risk your presidency for this?-to Bill when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in January 1998 (Newsmax.com, 12/09/01).
“Fuck him, Bill. He’s Reagan’s goddamn vice president!”-to Bill in response to an invitation from Vice President George H.W. Bush to come to his home in Maine, circa 1984 (Crossfire, p. 69).
“That’ll teach them to fuck with us.”-to aides, immediately following her “Vast right-wing conspiracy” charge on national television (The Case Against Hillary Clinton, p. 162).
“The sorry damn son of a bitch.”-Hillary’s reaction upon being informed that Bill was missing from the governor’s mansion in the middle of the night because “he had gone for a drive” (Inside the White House, p. 240).
“You are a real shit, do you know that, Bill? Christ, a real shit.” -another fight of many fights with Bill (Bill & Hillary, p. 132).
“Come on, Bill, put your dick up. You can’t fuck her here.”-to husband, then Governor, after catching him talking to an attractive woman at a political rally (Inside the White House, p. 243).
“You sold out you motherfucker. You sold out!” -Hillary to attorney Joseph Califano (Inside: A Public and Private Life, p. 213).
“I want to get this shit over with and get these damn people out of here.”-Hillary overheard on the Arkansas governor’s mansion intercom as preschoolers posed on the mansion lawn for a photograph (The First Partner, p. 192).
“Just keep smiling until these assholes get their pictures.”-instructions to her husband while they were posing for photographers (American Evita, p. 114).
“She’s a short, Irish bitch.”-regarding The New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd (New York Post, 07/25/00).
“You fucking Jew bastard.”-honoring campaign manager Paul Fray’s rich religious heritage on the night of Bill Clinton’s defeat for the House of Representatives in 1974 (The State of A Union, p. 153).
“You all remember Mahatma Ghandi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis.”-said during a speech at a
Democratic fundraiser (CNN, 01/04/04). Senator Clinton was later forced to apologize.
“I can’t think of any.” -response to Dick Morris when asked to name some defects or weaknesses she could improve in order to soften her negative public image (Shadow, p. 335).
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^^damn..are those quotes real???????
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Well, to be honest...i remember few that was listed....i don't know about the rest...but ....from remembering few those quotes..i would say...YES>
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Correction: Hilary Clinton is a racist cunt muscle. Bill is the HNIC with offices in Harlem.
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Well, yeah, no shit. They're crackers. All crackers are inherently racist. Doesn't matter if they say they're Democrat or Republican; they will all perish in the flames of Hell on Judgment Day.
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Basically, if you criticize a black person in America you are considered a racist. Didn't you guys know that? it doesn't matter if you think barack Obama is inexperienced, if you say something to that effect that makes you a bigot.
Barack Obama is going to be the first president in American history that no one is allowed to criticize, otherwise they are a vicious, hate filled racist.
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It gets to the point like who cares anymore. Just like that situation with Tiger Woods. He making money and doing him and that lady hasn't achieved as much as he did. So why get outraged about it.
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This woman is an evil war mongering bitch and yet these comments are what you are getting worked up about? give me a break puppets and strings comes to mind. To elaborate on that, this ensures an entrenching into camps and ensures that a difference arrises, since policy wise there is little to seperate them, this will do it!. Furthermore I haven't even got that deep into psychology, but even I recognise this is just base psychology. It's exactlly the same type of psychology they employ on a regular basis. In the carolina republican debates, there were moments where all of the candidates were cackling and laughing at Ron Paul whenever he brought up a serious issue, whether historical fact or a current burning issue, in the hope that others in the audience would respond just like monkeys and laugh along with them. That is how retarded they think people are, that example there is simply about conditioning people to act in a child like manner whenever a paradigm is questioned. Fortunately though in that case, the crowd responded with boos and were not in the least bit impressed by their attempts.
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Actually, if you watched the focus group after the debate, every single person in the focus group said that Ron Paul lost the debate. I feel he lost the debate as well. Also, everybody in america feels he lost the debate because nobody's voting for him. Ron Paul is a fucking fool superceded only by the fucking fools that idolize him.
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That really does not surprise me in the least, people like to feel reassured they like to be able to look up to someone. People like Romney have a charisma and a certain swagger, Huckabee appears to be a reasonable calm reassuring persona. I can understand that aspect of it but Thompson Guliani and and McCain are hardcore nazis, they would love to get us embroiled in a hellish worldwide war, they don't give a shit about the state of the economy, these are intelligent men and yet they use their smarts to deceive others. Assuming that the focus group does represent carolina, it proves only one thing people will go for style over substance and are impressed by "records" shame they don't actually read and learn that Guliani abandoned the first responders. However I guess as long as you talk up islamofacism like it was some omnipotent force, then the public don't care and your ratings sky rocket.
However back to the thread.....the best reaction to this "talking point" is to ask yourself who benefits from this talking point, why now, what do these candidates really stand for but i know people like to think that everything is a conspiracy theory, except of course when the media come out with their own, like "everyone lies in the exit polls" Obama was screwed in the elections and so was Ron Paul, same as Al Gore was screwed, same as John Kerry was screwed
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201&q=hacking+democracy&total=98&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
watch the documentary proving how easy is to hack the machines.
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Actually, if you watched the focus group after the debate, every single person in the focus group said that Ron Paul lost the debate. I feel he lost the debate as well. Also, everybody in america feels he lost the debate because nobody's voting for him. Ron Paul is a fucking fool superceded only by the fucking fools that idolize him.
Hey dumbfuck, do yo know who Frank Luntz is? He's the pollster / douchebag that is always in charge for those focus groups, you know, the fat asshole running around on camera. If you took the time to research him, you'd quickly see how much of a fucking idiot you sound like citing him like he has a shred of credibility.
By the way, the same people pop up in Fox's focus groups over and over. It's been documented on camera.
As usual, you lose again. You might actually be the dumbest poster on this board. Seriously. Not that I don't think you can read or write or something like that, just more like COMPLETELY oblivious to the world around you.
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That really does not surprise me in the least, people like to feel reassured they like to be able to look up to someone. People like Romney have a charisma and a certain swagger, Huckabee appears to be a reasonable calm reassuring persona. I can understand that aspect of it but Thompson Guliani and and McCain are hardcore nazis, they would love to get us embroiled in a hellish worldwide war, they don't give a shit about the state of the economy, these are intelligent men and yet they use their smarts to deceive others. Assuming that the focus group does represent carolina, it proves only one thing people will go for style over substance and are impressed by "records" shame they don't actually read and learn that Guliani abandoned the first responders. However I guess as long as you talk up islamofacism like it was some omnipotent force, then the public don't care and your ratings sky rocket.
However back to the thread.....the best reaction to this "talking point" is to ask yourself who benefits from this talking point, why now, what do these candidates really stand for but i know people like to think that everything is a conspiracy theory, except of course when the media come out with their own, like "everyone lies in the exit polls" Obama was screwed in the elections and so was Ron Paul, same as Al Gore was screwed, same as John Kerry was screwed
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201&q=hacking+democracy&total=98&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
watch the documentary proving how easy is to hack the machines.
Yeah, i read about this shit...the hacking voting machine. We need to stop using machines and do the traditional way...counting. Anyway...I believe Hilliary just gonnafuck things up. I say obama all the way... Somebody need to end war now.
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Actually, if you watched the focus group after the debate, every single person in the focus group said that Ron Paul lost the debate. I feel he lost the debate as well. Also, everybody in america feels he lost the debate because nobody's voting for him. Ron Paul is a fucking fool superceded only by the fucking fools that idolize him.
Hey dumbfuck, do yo know who Frank Luntz is? He's the pollster / douchebag that is always in charge for those focus groups, you know, the fat asshole running around on camera. If you took the time to research him, you'd quickly see how much of a fucking idiot you sound like citing him like he has a shred of credibility.
By the way, the same people pop up in Fox's focus groups over and over. It's been documented on camera.
As usual, you lose again. You might actually be the dumbest poster on this board. Seriously. Not that I don't think you can read or write or something like that, just more like COMPLETELY oblivious to the world around you.
You know, if Ron Paul actually was getting any VOTES, I'd say "Yeah, the focus group was fucked up"... but the focus group seemed to confirm what American voters are saying : No Thanks.
So how can you argue that americans don't reject him when they're rejecting him with their votes! Your'e the fucking idiot here.
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Actually, if you watched the focus group after the debate, every single person in the focus group said that Ron Paul lost the debate. I feel he lost the debate as well. Also, everybody in america feels he lost the debate because nobody's voting for him. Ron Paul is a fucking fool superceded only by the fucking fools that idolize him.
Hey dumbfuck, do yo know who Frank Luntz is? He's the pollster / douchebag that is always in charge for those focus groups, you know, the fat asshole running around on camera. If you took the time to research him, you'd quickly see how much of a fucking idiot you sound like citing him like he has a shred of credibility.
By the way, the same people pop up in Fox's focus groups over and over. It's been documented on camera.
As usual, you lose again. You might actually be the dumbest poster on this board. Seriously. Not that I don't think you can read or write or something like that, just more like COMPLETELY oblivious to the world around you.
You know, if Ron Paul actually was getting any VOTES, I'd say "Yeah, the focus group was fucked up"... but the focus group seemed to confirm what American voters are saying : No Thanks.
So how can you argue that americans don't reject him when they're rejecting him with their votes! Your'e the fucking idiot here.
People are voting for Paul, hell he's finishing ahead Giuliani. Do you have any idea how much his support has exponentially swelled since he announced his candidacy? Fox is shook and it's blatantly obvious.
Did it ever occur to you that a lot of people are influenced by what they hear on tv? Especially a supposed news station? Fox routinely smears Paul, excludes him from debates, etc etc etc. They are doing everything in their power to make sure Paul doesn't win.
What is your rationale for Fox excluding him from the New Hampshire debate THE DAY BEFORE THE PRIMARY? As a result, the New Hampshire GOP removed their endorsement of the event, even Leno personally invited Paul to his show and stated on air that he may not necessarily agree w/ Paul but that is completely unfair to exclude him. I don't have the time to enumerate the probably 1000's of pieces of evidence to show Fox News bias, but you should research it sometime.
You'll thank me later.
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well...it's true that people are voting ron...but....ya know...just basing on poll...it's more likely he won't be in primary.
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They eliminated him from the new hampshire primary because he wasn't making the list. He's lucky they let him stink up the s.c. one.
He has rabid fans. You're one of them. Only a small percentage of the population votes in priamaries, less than 10%. His fans are so rabid they all voted in the primary. In other words, he has 5 percent of 10 percent of republicans, which is less than 50% of the population. So your boy is batting about a .0003 or something.
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They eliminated him from the new hampshire primary because he wasn't making the list. He's lucky they let him stink up the s.c. one.
He has rabid fans. You're one of them. Only a small percentage of the population votes in priamaries, less than 10%. His fans are so rabid they all voted in the primary. In other words, he has 5 percent of 10 percent of republicans, which is less than 50% of the population. So your boy is batting about a .0003 or something.
I ain't a ron fan, so it wouldn't matter to me.
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They eliminated him from the new hampshire primary because he wasn't making the list. He's lucky they let him stink up the s.c. one.
He has rabid fans. You're one of them. Only a small percentage of the population votes in priamaries, less than 10%. His fans are so rabid they all voted in the primary. In other words, he has 5 percent of 10 percent of republicans, which is less than 50% of the population. So your boy is batting about a .0003 or something.
What's your point? That America is so entrenched in blind nationalism that it fails to see the huge problem we are in? I agree. The one guy running for Pres that is a strict Constitutionalist is deemed kooky and out of touch?
We are in agreement - with the exception of about .0003% people, America is either stupid, apathetic, or disenfranchised.
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“Come on, Bill, put your dick up. You can’t fuck her here.”-to husband, then Governor, after catching him talking to an attractive woman at a political rally (Inside the White House, p. 243).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They eliminated him from the new hampshire primary because he wasn't making the list. He's lucky they let him stink up the s.c. one.
He has rabid fans. You're one of them. Only a small percentage of the population votes in priamaries, less than 10%. His fans are so rabid they all voted in the primary. In other words, he has 5 percent of 10 percent of republicans, which is less than 50% of the population. So your boy is batting about a .0003 or something.
What's your point? That America is so entrenched in blind nationalism that it fails to see the huge problem we are in? I agree. The one guy running for Pres that is a strict Constitutionalist is deemed kooky and out of touch?
We are in agreement - with the exception of about .0003% people, America is either stupid, apathetic, or disenfranchised.
Or... America doesn't want the kind of change Ron Paul is preaching. either way, you lose. This is a democracy, elected officials are elected democratically. See, he can't get elected if people don't want him to get elected. For instance, I don't want him to get elected. So I won't be voting for him. See, that's how it works, I'm surprised you don't understand that, since you're running around bitching about how great he is and how 99.9997% of the country is stupid. LOL.
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Actually, if you watched the focus group after the debate, every single person in the focus group said that Ron Paul lost the debate. I feel he lost the debate as well. Also, everybody in america feels he lost the debate because nobody's voting for him. Ron Paul is a fucking fool superceded only by the fucking fools that idolize him.
you ugly bleached ape. what you fail to realize is that the vast majority of you americans are fuckin retards when it comes to politics. youre a tool and so are your people. only a small percentage of americans have the intelligence to understand ron paul. dont you wonder why hes most popular with non americans, ie. people who are generally much more informed and more critical in their thinking?
Thus, its a honour to not be supported by shit-for-brains that make up the american electorate such as yourself.
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... but yet we still run the world. Maybe you're wrong.
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i love how other countries talk about whats best for "us" (America)...
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... but yet we still run the world. Maybe you're wrong.
China and Saudi Arabia own us numb nuts.