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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on February 29, 2008, 08:43:25 AM
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Dude's got mad swag
http://www.youtube.com/v/pFSVG7jRp_g
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This was dope. Thanks for posting it.
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yes, he def got some swag
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
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I like this guy more every time I hear him speak.
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Yeah, he got swag alright. Then again, even my grandparents know who Jay-Z and Kanye are.
Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
Allah does.
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
Seriously, I'm more interested in whether he wears boxers or briefs.
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Hilary looks like a truly evil witch, McCain acts like a mental patient..compared to those 2 Obama looks positively glowing.
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
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However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
He said he listens to these guys, but that doesn't mean he'll necessarily have to agree with everything. I have listened to gangsta rap a lot and I still do at times and I never once agreed with the mysoginism and the glorification of violence prevalent in that genre. That is because there were/are other things to like the music for; it can get too much and there are songs that actually manage to get on my nerves. It sure is slightly ambivalent, but I wouldn't label it "hypocritical"; I got a lot of fucking respect for Jigga for example, cause he made 3 great albums, a lot of great songs and he's an impressive example of a black entrepreneur who started from scratch and has built up something huge. Still, he's done shit songs too and his over-the-top materialism can be annoying. I think generally, you'll just have to draw the line for yourself and decide when things go too far in terms of stuff you disagree with and how much you will take as long as there is a side you like about it too. In Obama's case, it seems to me that he's made a valid point in both paying respect to the positive sides of this music and critisizing the negative sides. The subject is too complex to just "pass judgement" in my opinion, and that's why I agree with him.
I'm not trying to attack you in any way, but I'm curious: Assuming that you're not the type to support mysoginism, do you listen to Biggie? Snoop? Dre? If you think violence should be strictly condemned, do you listen to Pac? Eminem? Big L?
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interesting eye must admit this kind of changed my view on this man. eye think eye might take the time to see whats hes is a about and where he stands on certain issues (eye might actually vote this time ;D) eye must admit, this nigga got swag. thank you for this post
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I totally see where you're coming from, and as for struggling and making it big, they sure are some great examples of entrepreneurship. Thing is, Obama says he likes their music, yet all I heard in Jay-Z's music last time I checked was exactly what Obama denounces. Why would he listen to that, if he's so much against the content?
Indeed, I'm not the type to support misogynism. That alone makes me an outsider within the hiphop scene. I don't listen to a whole lot of hip-hop anymore and my taste has changed greatly over the past few years (you'll remember me praising Onyx for their great albums in the 90s). I'm a jazz slash folk music man now, but when I listen to hip-hop it'll be Common, De La Soul, Nas, The Roots, Opgezwolle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opgezwolle), Jeru The Damaja, Little Brother, Dangerdoom, Madvillain, Boogie Down Productions. Those are the only hip-hop artists in my Last FM top30 - other than that it's pretty much all jazz and some pop/folk classics. No misogyny there.
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Oh, and how does everyone keep saying Obama got swag in this interview, when really he stuttered his way through the answers and his stance can be interpreted as rather contradictive?
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
Exactly.
Eleven 2 Three, you been saying way too much stupid shit lately. What, you trying to set a record for how low can crackers go? You need to think more before you speak, before Allah is forced to cut out your tongue and shove it up your sphincter, so that the next time you shit, you shit on your tongue.
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good interview...the man echoed alot of my thoughts on hip-hop...
...but if they gonna talk about hip-hop surely they can do better than kanye and jayz! But then again white people tend to scare easy...
.....get Masta Killa and Obama in the same room!!
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii48/YGZ_2008/WUTANGUntitled-1-2db.gif)
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
Exactly.
Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
Exactly.
Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.
What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?
I didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
I don't believe Obama on this one. His iPod probably is loaded with Isley Brothers and Marvin Gaye, but if he really did enjoy hip-hop he would have been able to come up with some better answers. He probably did hear Jay's album once or twice, but that's about it. I don't buy it. Either Obama has no backbone, or he's a liar. Take your pick, gentlemen!
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
Exactly.
Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.
What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?
Everything, that is the domain of hip-hop, its expression.
I didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
Yes you are, thats exactly what you are saying, LOL listen to yourself.
So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? who you are and what you stand for?
Heres the thing, hip-hop (including Jay-Z) ISN't all about that, I can't believe I have to explain this on a hip-hop forum. Foday-Sankoh really does exist on this forum for a reason.
Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
So you are saying paint yourself into a neat picture? Define yourself until you got a neat dictionary definition. Thats the lamest shit I have ever heard and that mentality is the problem with soo much in the world.
"Oh no! Don't listen to that! That music doesn't go well with my PERSONALITY!!!!! Geee I like my car, my house, my shirt...they all go so well with my SOUL!!!
Fuck all that. Be water my friend ;) Bumping that substance...thats uncontrolled!!!!
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Who gives a fuck what kind of music he listens to?
With the race for the presidency practically being all about personality instead of about political positions, what else could tell you more about the personality behind the face?
However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
I listen to Ice Cube and I strongly denounce racism (even towards whites). At the end of the day it's music, to have fun listening to, those guys don't have to be righteous preachers or role-models.
Exactly.
Exactly. Can't censor art or free speech baby.
What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?
I didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
I don't believe Obama on this one. His iPod probably is loaded with Isley Brothers and Marvin Gaye, but if he really did enjoy hip-hop he would have been able to come up with some better answers. He probably did hear Jay's album once or twice, but that's about it. I don't buy it. Either Obama has no backbone, or he's a liar. Take your pick, gentlemen!
Obama is 46... is too old to have rocked a PE tape and so why do I expect him to get into Hip-Hop. No presidental candidate has even seen Hip-Hop except to bash it... Bill Clinton included.
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Can't censor art or free speech baby.
What do freedom of speech and censorship have to do with this?
Everything, that is the domain of hip-hop, its expression.
Nothing. This discussion is not about censorship and free speech. Nobody was talking about censoring anything. I believe this discussion actually does have a topic. Stick to it, unless you're trying to make a point by bringing up free speech and censorship, in which case you should definately elaborate.
I didn't say you always have to agree with the music you listen to, but the way he speaks, shouldn't violence and mysoginy totally disgust Obama to a level that makes such music unenjoyable to him, after all that he claims he stands for? That's the whole point. I won't be listening to a song from some rapper going in detail about how he's raped some woman (I don't know if there's any such song, but it wouldn't surprise me). I thought Eminem's song Kim was terrifying. So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently" and "something I'm really worried about: it's always talking about material things." If you don't like that, how are you going to enjoy the music, when that's all the music is about? Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
Yes you are, thats exactly what you are saying, LOL listen to yourself.
I can perfectly disagree with the things Bob Dylan stands for, yet I do enjoy most of his music. It's got passion in it and it does have substance. I'm all for passion in music, and I'm all for substance, but I certainly disagree with his hippie views. I'm not saying you should filter all things you don't fully agree with out of your life, because you'd be living on an island if that were the case. You need the intellectual challenge to stay sharp. I don't find people who disagree with me dispicable. To me, ignorance is though. It should be to Obama, who's claiming a prosperous message. He loves the struggle, the flow... Well, you could read a biography for that. Seriously, answer me this:
So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently"?
That's the same as saying: "Violence is wrong, killing people is worse, but the Kim track by Eminem sure is the shit"
Huh?
Yeah, Jay got flow, but why not listen to Little Brother if you're about the more loving stuff? Why not dig just a little deeper and find something more fitting with who you are and what you stand for?
So you are saying paint yourself into a neat picture? Define yourself until you got a neat dictionary definition. Thats the lamest shit I have ever heard and that mentality is the problem with soo much in the world.
What mentality? The mentality of having beliefs and standing firm by them? The mentality of not selling your soul to the devil? The mentality of knowing what you like and why, knowing who you are, knowing what you appreciate, knowing what you value, knowing what your goals are?
If you really think that's the lamest shit you have ever heard, I won't feel sorry for you because you've deactivated your mind. Go ahead and accuse me of not believing in contradictions. "Be water" my ass. Stand for something, because A is A. If you lack the integrity to stand that firm, you'd better not stand at all.
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Obama is 46... is too old to have rocked a PE tape and so why do I expect him to get into Hip-Hop. No presidental candidate has even seen Hip-Hop except to bash it... Bill Clinton included.
True, Obama definately deserves respect for actually having the open mindedness to peep some hip-hop and see what's going on. I just fail to believe he's really that down with it. Which would be cool, if only he had the integrity to admit that.
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I totally see where you're coming from, and as for struggling and making it big, they sure are some great examples of entrepreneurship. Thing is, Obama says he likes their music, yet all I heard in Jay-Z's music last time I checked was exactly what Obama denounces. Why would he listen to that, if he's so much against the content?
Indeed, I'm not the type to support misogynism. That alone makes me an outsider within the hiphop scene. I don't listen to a whole lot of hip-hop anymore and my taste has changed greatly over the past few years (you'll remember me praising Onyx for their great albums in the 90s). I'm a jazz slash folk music man now, but when I listen to hip-hop it'll be Common, De La Soul, Nas, The Roots, Opgezwolle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opgezwolle), Jeru The Damaja, Little Brother, Dangerdoom, Madvillain, Boogie Down Productions. Those are the only hip-hop artists in my Last FM top30 - other than that it's pretty much all jazz and some pop/folk classics. No misogyny there.
I don't know when you checked last time; personally I haven't listened to a lot of Jigga since his pseudo-career end and I did like the Black Album. Jay's music is definitely a lot about materialistic crap, but he's made some more insightful stuff too, from "Can I Live" to "Song Cry" to "December 4th" and he's someone who doesn't take the negative aspects mentioned by Obama himself to a level I'd consider intolerable. He's more machismo than misogyny, he rarely seemed to glorify violence and has usually approached it from a rather analytical perspective, he sure likes bragging but it doesn't usually get to the point where it's sickening, by my personal standards at least. He's a quite intelligent guy; Obama's also mentioned Kanye who's truly an arrogant fuck, but an innovative musician and while he's an asshole, he doesn't take the negative sides mentioned to that high an extent either in my opinion. If Obama had said he was bumping Suga Free, Three 6 Mafia and Trick Daddy it would have been much harder to stomach. In the case of Jay and Kanye I personally think his statement is reasonable and legitimate.
As for the second part of your post, I definitely see where you're coming from. Same here in a way, I'd sell all my hiphop records before I'd give away my favorite Dylan albums. I'm not very interested in most hiphop anymore either, a bit interested maybe, but not much more than in many other genres. But since you've mentioned it yourself, I assume that when you were praising those Onyx albums you didn't really think that all the lyrics on "Bacdafucp" were intellectual gems, right? But you listened to it, cause you thought the stuff was great in many ways. That's what I'm talking about...and while the artists you mentioned are definitely not the G-Unit type rap muhfuckaz, some of them don't have a completely clean sheet either; Nas, while one of the most skilled rappers ever, has proved to be about as good at contradicting himself as Pac, writing gangster stories from a first-person perspective and then condemning violence, next minute recording wannabe-pimp bullshit like "Oochy Wally" and going on like crazy about the ice on his wrist, then preaching about how the ghetto can become a better place while lyrically hanging out with crack peddlers.................and so on. And The Roots' "Game Theory" (the song), for example, is a bit ambivalent too in my opinion with all its references to drugs, guns and money, although you can argue it's supposed to be "descriptive". There is also the type of artists going on about peeling niggaz' caps and then adding "lyrically" to make sure they still fit into the category they're supposed to be in and I personally don't like that either. Bottom line is, listening to the artists you've mentioned is definitely not the same as listening to DPG, 50 Cent or MC Eiht, but I'm just trying to point out that things can become blurrier when you start to look closer, if you know what I mean.
Eleven 2 Three, you been saying way too much stupid shit lately. What, you trying to set a record for how low can crackers go? You need to think more before you speak, before Allah is forced to cut out your tongue and shove it up your sphincter, so that the next time you shit, you shit on your tongue.
If Allah has nothing better to do, I feel sorry for him ::)
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However, am I the only one who thinks Barack really exposed himself with this one? He listens to gangstarappers and then says he doesn't like the message about mistreating women, glorifying wealth and preaching violence. Umm... How much of a hypocrit can you be? I really fail to see the swag in that one. That's chameleon behavior. That's slickness. That's failing to pass judgement and act accordingly. Is that really the guy you're hoping to become the most important man in the world for the next 8 years?
He said he listens to these guys, but that doesn't mean he'll necessarily have to agree with everything. I have listened to gangsta rap a lot and I still do at times and I never once agreed with the mysoginism and the glorification of violence prevalent in that genre. That is because there were/are other things to like the music for; it can get too much and there are songs that actually manage to get on my nerves. It sure is slightly ambivalent, but I wouldn't label it "hypocritical"; I got a lot of fucking respect for Jigga for example, cause he made 3 great albums, a lot of great songs and he's an impressive example of a black entrepreneur who started from scratch and has built up something huge. Still, he's done shit songs too and his over-the-top materialism can be annoying. I think generally, you'll just have to draw the line for yourself and decide when things go too far in terms of stuff you disagree with and how much you will take as long as there is a side you like about it too. In Obama's case, it seems to me that he's made a valid point in both paying respect to the positive sides of this music and critisizing the negative sides. The subject is too complex to just "pass judgement" in my opinion, and that's why I agree with him.
I'm not trying to attack you in any way, but I'm curious: Assuming that you're not the type to support mysoginism, do you listen to Biggie? Snoop? Dre? If you think violence should be strictly condemned, do you listen to Pac? Eminem? Big L?
I'm not interested in any politician but that argument was fuckin dope +1
8) 8) 8)
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^ thanks, peace 8)
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Seriously, answer me this:
So if Obama is really as strong about his beliefs and ideas as he makes you think he is, how can he chill to a Jigga album, singing along to "nigga whaaaat, nigga whooooo?" only afterwards recapping "Well, they do use the N word a little too frequently"?
That's the same as saying: "Violence is wrong, killing people is worse, but the Kim track by Eminem sure is the shit"
Huh?
I am sticking to the point, peace man we cool. Expression is everything. You are saying that hip-hop should not contradict itself, I say fuck that, let it contradict itself as much as it wants, don't say what it should or shouldn't do or be, there is still shit art and good art, you need that sharp intellect to appreciate and decide for yourself what is and isn't good art or what just isn't art altogether, thats the intellectual challenge. Would you rather art that paints a pretty picture: a tree, a house and a mountain, you look at it and you know exactly what is in the picture? Would you rather McDonalds hip-hop, you know exactly how shits gonna taste and feel? Go to a little brother concert and you know you are going to be safe and you are not going to be offended and you know exactly what you are going to feel because it suits your personality. Why should Obama have to read a biography, its a totally different medium, we are talking hip hop thats the topic is it not? ;) I'm saying don't paint yourself into a picture, don't define yourself into a little world. If you put water into a cup, sure it takes the form of the cup, but it can't do anything, it is controlled and defined and it's capacity for creation or destruction is nada.
Peace.
http://www.youtube.com/v/1i9SrBfkDWQ&autoplay=0
*turns on autoplay* Real conversation for dat ass! :banana:
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If Obama, well really anyone for that matter, is restricted to listen to music that isn't against their beliefs well then you're limited to what you can listen to.
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If Obama, well really anyone for that matter, is restricted to listen to music that isn't against their beliefs well then you're limited to what you can listen to.
True... I listen to Hip-Hop, but don't agree with a lot of the message... though at one time I did... lol
As I get older, I realize the stupitity of what a lot of the Hip-Hop culture stands for... and how I grew up in the no-snitching culture, how much that was enforced to the community out of fear, not out of respect to the local drug dealers. Hip-Hop has a lot wrong, but it has a lot right, and if anyone kept their mind close to what the youth is listening to, and saying, then they will stay in the dark of the troubles that the future will face. So well Obama may not agree, as someone who prides himself at once being a community organizor and who worked on the streets, he still needs to keep an ear on the streets.
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Why do I have to agree with the lyrics when I'm listening to a rap record? When you watch an action movie you don't have to agree with anything, you just enjoy the action. That's the same way I listen to rap, like a movie on wax. Of course killing hookers is wrong, but I can still listen to NWA's "To Kill a Hooker" and enjoy it.
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lol did he just say the jay z album was tight?
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lol did he just say the jay z album was tight?
yes he did... lol... it actually was... I thought it was WAY better than his last one and might be his best since Blueprint... not better than Blue Print but better than Blueprint 2, Black Album and Kingdom Come.
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MDogg... can you re-up the link for me, I think it died, I never got a chance to check it out.
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Props to MDogg. I've never been into Jay-Z or Kanye West, I wish he wouldn't have felt like Jay-Z had to be the first name out of his mouth... but other than that, this shows that Obama is really in touch with our generation, and if it wasn't for the White-Judeo-Christian controlled media he could show even more candidly how down he really is.
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Oh enough with worshipping this man just because he is black infinite. The white/jewish controlled media you speak of is real, the white/jewish controlled CFR is real and guess what? Obama is CFR so please stop trying to pretend that he is some kind of maverick or you are just acting as a knowing gate keeper. It's exactly the same as when someone like webster tarpley will expose an evil politician but then he will steer you towards looking at another corrupt owned politician in a positive light.
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Oh enough with worshipping this man just because he is black infinite. The white/jewish controlled media you speak of is real, the white/jewish controlled CFR is real and guess what? Obama is CFR so please stop trying to pretend that he is some kind of maverick or you are just acting as a knowing gate keeper. It's exactly the same as when someone like webster tarpley will expose an evil politician but then he will steer you towards looking at another corrupt owned politician in a positive light.
Your trippin man... Have you ever heard the saying, "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."
Well, you are just anti-everything. You don't stand for anything.
Your like the people that cry out day and night against the war in Iraq and then at the same time call the people engineering the Iraqi resistance "brutal terrorists". So you call America's aggression evil and the resistance to it, evil. Or the people that always complaining about and criticizing everything and never offering a solution in it's place.
Peep this man. Ron Paul was my candidate when it come to political ideology; I am a Libertarian. So I'm no Obama dickrider.
But, there are also plenty of reasons for me to identify with and love Barack Obama as a person...
-I am a Muslim, Obama's father's side of the family is Muslim, and Obama himself has a Muslim name.
-Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world and Obama grew up there and went to Islamic school.
-I love African culture above all other cultures. I spent a month in West Africa last year and it was one of the first times I've been happy in a long time. It still puts me in a good mood any time I think about it... and I love the people there. Well, Obama is African! So obviously I am excited about his candidacy, we have never had an African make it this far in America. He is celebrated throughout the continent.
-My favorite movie director is Spike Lee. This dude's first date with his wife was to go see Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing".
-Obama used to work with Palestinian organizations in Chicago and was sympathetic to their cause back in the day. He just can't openly sympathize with them now, because the Jewish lobby is too powerful.
-His wife is a dime and she's brilliant, too.
...you feel me?
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bryan i bet you jack off to oprah
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bryan i bet you jack off to oprah
I don't like Oprah. What makes you think I would like Oprah?
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bryan i bet you jack off to oprah
I don't like Oprah. What makes you think I would like Oprah?
she is black. ohh wait you only like real, authentic, africans huh, theyre much more interesting right? like animals? your midwestern upbringing has made black people sought after commodities in your eyes, and you will dedicate your life to "them"
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she is black. ohh wait you only like real, authentic, africans huh, theyre much more interesting right? like animals? your midwestern upbringing has made black people sought after commodities in your eyes, and you will dedicate your life to "them"
What you are trying to do is make me feel ashamed or something because I like African culture. The problem for you is that I don't find anything shameful in it. So your just wasting your time, but go on.. do what you do.. I understand this is what you do, so everyone chooses how to live their life, and how to use their words. I just think your wasting your time following me into every thread.
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she is black. ohh wait you only like real, authentic, africans huh, theyre much more interesting right? like animals? your midwestern upbringing has made black people sought after commodities in your eyes, and you will dedicate your life to "them"
What you are trying to do is make me feel ashamed or something because I like African culture. The problem for you is that I don't find anything shameful in it. So your just wasting your time, but go on.. do what you do.. I understand this is what you do, so everyone chooses how to live their life, and how to use their words. I just think your wasting your time following me into every thread.
i'm not trying to make you ashamed of liking african culture, i love it as well, but you have abandoned your self identity as a white person
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i'm not trying to make you ashamed of liking african culture, i love it as well, but you have abandoned your self identity as a white person
lol... and what is white culture? Going out quail hunting and shopping at Cabela's?
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i'm not trying to make you ashamed of liking african culture, i love it as well, but you have abandoned your self identity as a white person
lol... and what is white culture? Going out quail hunting and shopping at Cabela's?
dont use logical fallacies bryguy to defend your wiggerness. you know every ethnicity is rich with their own culture, except for african, their culture is just raping and not eating :P
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dont use logical fallacies bryguy to defend your wiggerness. you know every ethnicity is rich with their own culture, except for african, their culture is just raping and not eating :P
Actually, I will say that European art and culture is very rich.
However, white American culture...... and talking about my "white identity", I really would love to have you explain to me what that it is, because I'd love to hear what you think the "white identity" and "white culture" is that I should be practicing in America.
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dont use logical fallacies bryguy to defend your wiggerness. you know every ethnicity is rich with their own culture, except for african, their culture is just raping and not eating :P
Actually, I will say that European art and culture is very rich. However, white American culture...... and talking about my "white identity", I really would love to have you explain to me what that it is, because I have no idea what it means to be white in America.
how can you not, you are white, you were raised in what is known as "America's Heartland", the epitome of white christian republican America. and you know damn well it ain't where you're at, it's where you're from. The farms, the agriculture, the church, the football, all that shit you grew up with bryan. that is unique culture in of itself, and you decided to throw it all away because you were an outcast in high school. that didn't make you anything like the rap artists who you listened to, but you needed something bigger than yourself and community to latch on to, so you had blacks, the islam, then africa, communities and peoples polar opposite to the one that had rejected you as you grew up. you didn't have to be a white bred hick like your family bryan, but you didn't have to completely reject everything that molded you while you were young. But you did. Almost bi-polar in nature you could say. in a way i feel sorry for you and want you to be happy because you couldve found acceptance in other parts of America, you didn't have to reject the world around you and burn bridges, but i guess that's how the cookie crumbles...not much to do but congratulate you on you fun vacations and watch the abyssal madness consume you.
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Infinite I am not anti everything you just love anything black, that's fine but I tell you what I am anti, I am anti the CFR, I am anti the trilateral commission. It's like you are in a state of denial the CFR is the global commerce arm of the world, just look at all of the powerful figures who belong to it. Obama is part of the CFR and yet that somehow doesn't matter, that somehow despite belonging to this world arm, that he is against the establishment. You truly are rapidly descending into a joke I am for democratic open accountable bodies, not for the same groups who use their power to deceive, cheat and screw the entire world including your beloved Africa. Obama is being pushed because the establishment aren't dumb, they realise that people don't trust rich white men anymore, that they demand a change, so instead they are pushing CFR black member Obama. I don't know how else to put it to you Obama is just a puppet and clearly believes in the idealology of the CFR or he would not be a member. Or perhaps you have convinced yourself that he inside an arm of the elite government, working against it.
Let us think about that rationally just for a moment, you said the jewish/european media controls the flow of information and that's true, you said they set public opinion and that's true, you said the think tanks steer the policies and that's true so since all of that is true, the media would ignore this man if he really was a renegade. The entire media would demonise this man but instead they don't and segments of the elite media controllers are pushing him and why? because the owners of some of the largest media corporations are members of the CFR. I am not going to stand for something because it feels good and it seems him having some sorts of muslim roots is what is swaying you to, the fact that he is black also, seems to secure it, I don't give a shit about that. If he really was a renegade, I would not be saying any of these things I am only able to say them because there is so much ammo to use against him.
I mean ffs Infinite you said the sunni wahabi Al Queda sect is run by the west and that is well documented and yet his military advisor is Brzienski, the brainchild of Al Queda!. What part of the calculation 1 add 1 is preventing you from making 2?
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Infinite I am not anti everything you just love anything black, that's fine but I tell you what I am anti, I am anti the CFR, I am anti the trilateral commission. It's like you are in a state of denial the CFR is the global commerce arm of the world, just look at all of the powerful figures who belong to it. Obama is part of the CFR and yet that somehow doesn't matter, that somehow despite belonging to this world arm, that he is against the establishment. You truly are rapidly descending into a joke I am for democratic open accountable bodies, not for the same groups who use their power to deceive, cheat and screw the entire world including your beloved Africa. Obama is being pushed because the establishment aren't dumb, they realise that people don't trust rich white men anymore, that they demand a change, so instead they are pushing CFR black member Obama. I don't know how else to put it to you Obama is just a puppet and clearly believes in the idealology of the CFR or he would not be a member. Or perhaps you have convinced yourself that he inside an arm of the elite government, working against it.
Let us think about that rationally just for a moment, you said the jewish/european media controls the flow of information and that's true, you said they set public opinion and that's true, you said the think tanks steer the policies and that's true so since all of that is true, the media would ignore this man if he really was a renegade. The entire media would demonise this man but instead they don't and segments of the elite media controllers are pushing him and why? because the owners of some of the largest media corporations are members of the CFR. I am not going to stand for something because it feels good and it seems him having some sorts of muslim roots is what is swaying you to, the fact that he is black also, seems to secure it, I don't give a shit about that. If he really was a renegade, I would not be saying any of these things I am only able to say them because there is so much ammo to use against him.
I mean ffs Infinite you said the sunni wahabi Al Queda sect is run by the west and that is well documented and yet his military advisor is Brzienski, the brainchild of Al Queda!. What part of the calculation 1 add 1 is preventing you from making 2?
I need to read more about CFR, can you hook me up with some links to some basic info.
Also, the Judeo-Christian establishment does not support Obama like you think. He was just being used to defeat Hillary for the democratic nomination, so that the Republicans could win the general election. Then the crackers and Jews got scared when he won 11 states in a row, and so they started their hate campaign against him a couple weeks ago, and they have now put their machine into action to bring him down.
And I don't remember ever saying anything about "the Sunni Wahhabi Al-Queda sect" being ran by the West. I'm not one of those people that thinks that Usama is CIA operative or something like that. The only thing I may have suggested is that the CIA and Massood were pulling false flag operations, planting bombs, harming civilians to fuel sectarian fueds, and blaming it on the invisible boogie man, the Islamic "terrorist".
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Well just to respond quickly if a black candidate was really a maverick I would support him, if he really was trying to change the status quo, I wouldn't give a shit what colour he was, this has nothing to do with race.
The CFR information you asked for is encapsulated quite nicely in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_zs3GgOVv4&eurl=http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4048&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30.
Thirdly I suggest that you dilligently research into who Brizienski is, what he stands for and maybe even read his book. When you have, remember this is Barack's advisor. As far as what you said about certain segments of the elite against Obama, yes that is true and hence why I said he is getting pushed by some segments. What you basically have is a poligarchy and Obama and his advisors are one of the competing elites and Hilary's are another.
Finally, it's documented that Bin Laden was a CIA agent, it's also documented that western intelligence agencies are supporting islamic fighters in Iran. It's also documented that they were basically running islamic fighters in Kosovo. It is also true that mossad, MI6, the CIA have carried out bombings before and furthermore, there are more mercenaries in Iraq now then there are soldiers. They answer to no one as has been proved by Blackwater and so I have little doubt that the big car bombs are courtesy of such groups.
By the way I can illustrate that you are wrong in saying I am anti everything, that simply isn't true. I support what UKIP are trying to do and for that matter I support Ron Paul. I wish there was someone akin to him in this country but alas there is not. I should also add to that list Cynthia Mkinney and Dennis Kucinich, someone similar to them in this country would be welcome also.
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Well just to respond quickly if a black candidate was really a maverick I would support him, if he really was trying to change the status quo, I wouldn't give a shit what colour he was, this has nothing to do with race.
The CFR information you asked for is encapsulated quite nicely in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_zs3GgOVv4&eurl=http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4048&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30.
Thirdly I suggest that you dilligently research into who Brizienski is, what he stands for and maybe even read his book. When you have, remember this is Barack's advisor. As far as what you said about certain segments of the elite against Obama, yes that is true and hence why I said he is getting pushed by some segments. What you basically have is a poligarchy and Obama and his advisors are one of the competing elites and Hilary's are another.
Finally, it's documented that Bin Laden was a CIA agent, it's also documented that western intelligence agencies are supporting islamic fighters in Iran. It's also documented that they were basically running islamic fighters in Kosovo. It is also true that mossad, MI6, the CIA have carried out bombings before and furthermore, there are more mercenaries in Iraq now then there are soldiers. They answer to no one as has been proved by Blackwater and so I have little doubt that the big car bombs are courtesy of such groups.
By the way I can illustrate that you are wrong in saying I am anti everything, that simply isn't true. I support what UKIP are trying to do and for that matter I support Ron Paul. I wish there was someone akin to him in this country but alas there is not. I should also add to that list Cynthia Mkinney and Dennis Kucinich, someone similar to them in this country would be welcome also.
I watched the video... and one thing I love is when looking it up on the net and what not, I get all these things about Bush and Obama being related. OK, if you want to prove something about Obama... great... but to put lies in there and saying Bush and Obama are related then that's basically calling yourself out as a lyer. His related to Dick Cheney by 8th cousins, and that is known, and Cheney comes from the Mid-West so it's believable... but Bush is actually from back East and it he is about as much related to Bush as I am to George Lopez.
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I have only just noticed this retort of yours and it's apparent that you have rejected it out of hand. I just did a quick google search and found this reported in one of the most popular newspapers in Europe.
Obama is vice-president's distant cousin, says Cheney's wife
* Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
* The Guardian,
* Thursday October 18 2007
* Article history
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This article appeared in the Guardian on Thursday October 18 2007 on p18 of the International section. It was last updated at 15:47 on October 19 2007.
Barack Obama makes much of his varied heritage. His father was from Kenya, his mother from Kansas. But there is one element of his family history that has remained obscure: his eighth cousin is Dick Cheney. The revelation that the man promising a new style of politics is related to a vice-president credited with an unprecedented attempt to consolidate the power of old politics was made by Mr Cheney's wife.
Lynne Cheney told an interviewer that she discovered the connection between her husband and the candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination while researching a memoir of growing up in Wyoming, entitled Blue Skies, No Fences, although she did not include this fact in her memoir. She said that the two were both descended from a man who moved to Wyoming from Maryland.
"If you go back eight generations they have a common ancestor," she said. "This is such an amazing American story that one ancestor ... could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths as Dick's and Barack Obama." A spokeswoman for Mrs Cheney said that Mr Obama was descended from Mareen Duvall, a French Huguenot. His son married the granddaughter of one Richard Cheney, Susannah, who arrived in Maryland from England in the late 1650s.
The Duvalls are Mr Obama's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, and the vice-president's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents.
A spokesman for Mr Obama made the wry observation that "every family has a black sheep".
Last month the Chicago Sun-Times revealed the equally startling news that Mr Obama is an 11th cousin of President George Bush, thanks to a 17th-century Massachusetts couple, Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole.
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I have only just noticed this retort of yours and it's apparent that you have rejected it out of hand. I just did a quick google search and found this reported in one of the most popular newspapers in Europe.
Obama is vice-president's distant cousin, says Cheney's wife
* Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
* The Guardian,
* Thursday October 18 2007
* Article history
About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Guardian on Thursday October 18 2007 on p18 of the International section. It was last updated at 15:47 on October 19 2007.
Barack Obama makes much of his varied heritage. His father was from Kenya, his mother from Kansas. But there is one element of his family history that has remained obscure: his eighth cousin is Dick Cheney. The revelation that the man promising a new style of politics is related to a vice-president credited with an unprecedented attempt to consolidate the power of old politics was made by Mr Cheney's wife.
Lynne Cheney told an interviewer that she discovered the connection between her husband and the candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination while researching a memoir of growing up in Wyoming, entitled Blue Skies, No Fences, although she did not include this fact in her memoir. She said that the two were both descended from a man who moved to Wyoming from Maryland.
"If you go back eight generations they have a common ancestor," she said. "This is such an amazing American story that one ancestor ... could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths as Dick's and Barack Obama." A spokeswoman for Mrs Cheney said that Mr Obama was descended from Mareen Duvall, a French Huguenot. His son married the granddaughter of one Richard Cheney, Susannah, who arrived in Maryland from England in the late 1650s.
The Duvalls are Mr Obama's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, and the vice-president's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents.
A spokesman for Mr Obama made the wry observation that "every family has a black sheep".
Last month the Chicago Sun-Times revealed the equally startling news that Mr Obama is an 11th cousin of President George Bush, thanks to a 17th-century Massachusetts couple, Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole.
At that distance... I am related to George Lopez, and no lie... Oscar De La Hoya.... lol Oh my god, Obama's family came to the Americas in the 1650's... and 350 years later their great great great great great great great great great grandkids are fighting for power... lol.
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They stated a fact and you said that it was a lie I have pointed it out to you that it's not a lie and now you are laughing it off. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous let me guess....you watched the video and rejected the associations because after all Obama is "America fighting for your freedom". You just get more and more ridiculous if it's outside your belief system, then i am a liar and when I point out to you I am not a liar, it doesn't matter. When reality becomes a little too real just create another reality and then it makes it easy to say Ron Paul wants to get rid of the dollar when he never said anything of the sort and then in the same breath talk about it's insane to get rid of the federal reserve, when it's the federal destroying the dollar by continually devaluing it.
You really don't get it do you it's like I am only playing intermediate checkers and you have barely learnt to crawl. Now despite what you may think about that, I am not even complimenting myself it's something that makes me despair sometimes.
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They stated a fact and you said that it was a lie I have pointed it out to you that it's not a lie and now you are laughing it off. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous let me guess....you watched the video and rejected the associations because after all Obama is "America fighting for your freedom". You just get more and more ridiculous if it's outside your belief system, then i am a liar and when I point out to you I am not a liar, it doesn't matter. When reality becomes a little too real just create another reality and then it makes it easy to say Ron Paul wants to get rid of the dollar when he never said anything of the sort and then in the same breath talk about it's insane to get rid of the federal reserve, when it's the federal destroying the dollar by continually devaluing it.
You really don't get it do you it's like I am only playing intermediate checkers and you have barely learnt to crawl. Now despite what you may think about that, I am not even complimenting myself it's something that makes me despair sometimes.
I'll be honest... I never heard of the Bush/Obama deal. I looked it up, and it gots some cred. Still, their relation is so distance that it is laughable. Dogg, I'm related to De La Hoya by that distance, by marriage... lol... does that mean I'm in on his boxing deals and will be a dark figure in the background that will run the boxing world.
Dude, I never said Ron Paul wants to get rid of the dollar. I know what Ron Paul is about, I've read up on him, watch all the videos and I flatly dissagree with him. I'm from the urban areas, schools are broken down, people don't have health care and can't see a doctor, people are getting kicked out because they can't pay their rent, they are people that work 40 hours a week, and get over time. We are a nation that is highly unequal, so much so that they market will fix things is laughed at, because the market has allowed the rich to get richer and the poor has gotten poorer. I could get on a whole deeper level, but I like to keep my swag up... lol. But in the end, I agree with Obama, even if his 11x's great grandma was sucking W's 11x's grandpa's dick.
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does that mean I'm in on his boxing deals and will be a dark figure in the background that will run the boxing world.
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Hey man, hook it up 8) lol
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does that mean I'm in on his boxing deals and will be a dark figure in the background that will run the boxing world.
Hey man, hook it up 8) lol
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I'll let make a undercard for De La Hoya/Mayweather 2 8)
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Lol..... yes you did say he wants to get rid of the currency and replace it with gold that's just a fundamental and bizarre misunderstanding.
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Virtuoso, you do realize that for Obama to have a chance at the presidency in the United States he has to do some things he may not be in agreement with, he has to deal with some shady characters and organizations... because they are so powerful that if he doesn't pacify them they will immediately bring him down. You do realize this?
You are being totally unrealistic.
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Oh come on infinite he has backed by some of the most powerful men in corporate America they could pull the rug away from him anytime they want. I knew you were going to suggest that he was an insider working against them you are being totally unrealistic in your views that he is a maverick his advisor is an evil genius piece of scum who is still very much intent on world war 3.
Here is just a snapshot of info on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
Bearing in mind Obama addressed it "as a fashion to disparage the IMF" implying the IMF is a source of good which needs some "reforms"
read this http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169630.msg1746198#msg1746198
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Oh come on infinite he has backed by some of the most powerful men in corporate America they could pull the rug away from him anytime they want. I knew you were going to suggest that he was an insider working against them you are being totally unrealistic in your views that he is a maverick his advisor is an evil genius piece of scum who is still very much intent on world war 3.
Here is just a snapshot of info on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
Obama is an insider working against him. That's a good way to put it.
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Oh come on infinite he has backed by some of the most powerful men in corporate America they could pull the rug away from him anytime they want. I knew you were going to suggest that he was an insider working against them you are being totally unrealistic in your views that he is a maverick his advisor is an evil genius piece of scum who is still very much intent on world war 3.
Here is just a snapshot of info on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
Bearing in mind Obama addressed it "as a fashion to disparage the IMF" implying the IMF is a source of good which needs some "reforms"
read this http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169630.msg1746198#msg1746198
His daughter is Mika... damn... that's fire... literally
http://www.youtube.com/v/6VdNcCcweL0&hl=en
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thinks of Team America..... "Obama and Brzienski fighting for your freedom"
read this http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261
However never mind the insanity of wanting to provoke world war 3, dude Obama is down with hip hop!!!!
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both suck
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I like this guy more every time I hear him speak.
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Gay Z?...and i hated obama before
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Gay Z?...and i hated obama before
Gay Z? That's clever.