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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: infinite59 on May 15, 2001, 12:13:50 PM
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This came up in another thread and I wanted to shed some light on the subject. I remember reading at (I think MTV.com) a while back that Snoop said he was origionally supposed to be on the Wild Wild West Soundtrack with Dre. And that Eminem was going to ghostwrite for Snoop and Dre. Eminem hooked Snoop up with some lyrics and Snoop said he was like, "This is some bullshit," and he wasn't feeling it. So Dre was like look, Eminem knows what he's doing and if you got a disagreement we'll do this track without you. So Snoop said he left, or was kicked out, one of the two. And then came back later and apologized. Said he admitted that he was hating and he just wasn't used to anyone else writing for him and Dre but himself.
Judging from that story I think Snoop has a little bit of jealousy towards Eminem and Dre's relationship, but that he understands that Eminem is talented and tries to keep a good business relationship.
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When it's all said and done in 10 - 15 years time when the smokes cleared
Two figures will be standing there
Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr Dre
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Eminem is on the same level as 2pac, Snoop, and Dre. He'll still be standing. He has too large of a fan base and is far too talented to fall off. And he's got the connection with Dre. Snoop was slowly falling off until Dre came through and saved his carrear with "Just Dippin", "Bitch Please" and "Buck Em."
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What was Eminem doing without Dre?
I'm not hating I just see Eminem as a phase
His next solo album will be VERY important to his career in the long term
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i agree, and it doesnt matter how many fans he got now, look at vanilla ice and hammer. Those teeny boppers grow up eventually.
thats what over-exposure does to you, and eminem is the most over-exposed musician since michael jackson.
he needs to get the real hip hop fans back with his next album, cuz i know a lot of them (including myself) dont think that mtv shit is too sweet.
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dead on point Mr.Loc
he needs to take us back to that funky white boy 'Anyman' flow and the beats need to be HIP HOP.....i wasnt impressed at all by 'Purple Pills' , american Psycho was aiight but em's metaphors are all off and that was his major perk when he first came out....
"i strike a still pose and psyche you with some ill flows that dont even make sense like dykes usin dildos"
i aint heard eminem come with nothin like that for a while yo....and thats what i need to find my faith in him again....
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Very true
He has been taken over by MTV
People like Dre and Snoop drop a blatant commercial track to keep it poppin- Like Snoop Dogg and Forgot about Dre
Eminem makes tons
Check the difference from SSLP to MMLP
My Name is is the only really blatant commercial song
MMLP has Real Slim Shady - I'm Back - Marshall Mathers and more
Snoop realized he was in danger of pop swallow up after Doggystyle and then hit a different less mainstream flow
Smart
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I Totally Agree... Dre And Snoop Keep It Gangsta On At Least Most Of The Tracks, With A Few For The Radio.... But They'll Tell You In A Second They'd Rather Cater To The Hardcore Fans.
Eminem I Don't Know About... I Think He's Misplacing His Talent... Maybe I'd Do The Same If I Was In His Position, But He's So Commercial Now I Don't Even Like To Talk About Him.
Say What You Want, But Music For Us Youngstaz Is All About Rebellion... It ALWAYS Has Been, All The Way Back To The Beatles... We're Naturally Psychologically Gonna Like The Music That Our Parents Don't, Because It Makes Us Feel Like We're Different, And We've Got Our Own Thing Going.
I Hear Old People At Work Talking About Eminem, And Singing His Songs, Etc. That Shit Drives Me CRAZY, And I'm Naturally Gonna Not Like Eminem That Much Because Of That Fact...
You're DEAD Right About Snoop Too, It Was GettingThe Same Way, Back In The Day Old People Were Singing What's My Name? And That Was Starting To Get To Me. Then On His Other Albums, He Dropped Hardcore Stuff That Couldn't Be Played On The Radio, So To Us He Feels Like Family Again.
Eminem BETTER Not Try Shock Value On This Next CD. If He Tries To Outdo His Last 2 Albums, He'll Fail Miserably... What He Oughta Go For Is Humour, Like You Said In That Quote... Like On That Unreleased Kid Rock Song "Fuck Off"... It's All Heavy, Eminem Starts His Verse, And Ends It
"So when you see me on your block you better lock your cars
'Cause you know I'm losin' it when I'm rappin' to rock guitars"
That's Some Funny Shit. Or
"There's three things I hate: girls, women and bitches
I'm that vicious to walk up, and drop-kick midgets
They call me Boogie Night, the stalker that walks awkward
Stick figure, with a dick bigger than Mark Wahlberg"
"Who's arm is this?
I must have cut it off of the pharmacist
Who refused to renew my seventh presciption of darvecet
I'm the old man who lives upstairs and starves his pets
and never leaves his house 'cause he thinks his car's possessed"
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No doubting his amazing talent
But he needs to direct it better or it will be too late
He won't go down in history as one of the best ever, but a sideshow pop commodity
If he goes for shock value, to shock he'll have to start praying and quote the bible!
LOL
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Yeah i was thinking "How come they don't work together more?" i know they have different styles and everything but alotta rappers with different styles have worked 2gether .. like pac and snoop etc .. and since they are in the same camp, went on tour together etc ... it seems an obvious combo ...
Then i seen a clip of "backstage at up in smoke" or somthing like that on MTV, Snoop Dre , Ice Cube and Eminem were getting a pic took together, u know the one i 'm talking bout right?
Anyway apart from Cube who was smiling and stuff , all the others looked realy uncomfortable, Dre was kinda glances at snoop and smileing then glaceing at em and smileing as if nearly saying "come on for the pic " or something like that... then in dawned on me Eminem and Snoop don't like each other and the most likely reason for this is Snoop jealously of em, if u think about it its always been Snoop and Dre, but alotta younger people will now think of Eminem and Dre and Snoops knows this ... Already MTV etc associate Dre with eminem and i know alot of people will say "well rappers don't really care bout MTV its too commerical" well that maybe true for some rappers , but not for Snoop , Didn't u all see the Making of lay low where he was like "its about time mtv u gave me some damn airplay" Also its clear that Snoop has a big ego, the guy on the lick chart even said that ... So all this bad record sales, critics and no airplay on radio or tv is probably hurting him .... and who gets talked about in the media more than anyone esle and also gets the critics love EMINEM!
So maybe some people disagree but i think its sooo obvoius that Snoop jealous of Em ... and it s too bad cause if u think about it proparly he hasn't anything to be jealous of hes had his time of being in the media and shit now it somebody esles turn ... Aslo its too bad that they don't work 2gether they could come up with some really tight shit..
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hmm weird.. he (snoop) gets funny over eminem writing lines for dre.. yet hittman wrote dre's lines (and maybe more) for just dippin'
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Nah, I Think The Prob. Was Eminem Was Tryna Write Lines For Snoop...
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the DOC used to tho right?
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I think there cool at bets spring bling em went to snoop's party it looked like they were cool not best friends but they respect each other plus snoop loves everybody
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Yeah, I Don't Think They're A Big Problem, Just A Lil Jealousy...
Yeah, Doc And RBX Used To Write For Snoop, But I Think They Mainly Worked With Him On His Flow, And Tweaked His Lyrics... The 3 Of Them All Wrote Dre's Lyrics On The Chronic...
Maybe He Was Mad That Eminem Already Had All Their Verses Written Out? I Dunno.. Maybe He Wanted Them To Say Something Snoop Didn't Like, I Dunno... I DO KNOW That I Heard Snoop Confirm This Story.. They Asked Him ON Something About When He First Met Eminem, And He Said Something To The Effect Of "Yeah, At First I Didn't Like Him, Because I Think I'm The Best Writing For Dre, Ya Know? But Then After I Got With Him, We Worked It Out, And Now We're Cool, He's My Nephew, Pleezbalievit!" Or Somethin' Like That. He Didn't Really Explain What Happened.
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Lee said:
"bad record sales"
Well if 2 million an album is bad I hate to imagine how much money he'd make if the sales were good!
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i don't think there is n e beef at all em on really come out in the mainstream in 99 i think or maybe late 98 i don't rememba he has worked with alot of ppl including snoop on b pleez 2 (snoops song) u'll notice that he doesn't really work with ppl more than once with only 3 execptions his producer dre, his long time friend royce 5'9" and his group d-12 who have also been down since way back i think yall readin too much into it
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He's worked with X more than once
With this situation I turn into a Snoop groupie! Imagine if a war started between them!
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yeah i didn't really mean it was BAD as such ... just compared to Doggystyle and MMLP
O yeah heres another reason 4 him to be jealous compare the Dre beats on MMLP to The Last Meal, its obvious whats better....
Maybe Snoops also jealous that Dre is putting more effort into Ems stuff, and the reason why is because hes new and selling more ..... Snoops fooling himself if he thinks he will ever blow up again ....
And not to freak everyone out but y know how all these rappers are pratically manic depresses, he just might do away with himself if he doesn't blow up ( i mean its obviuos thats what he wants...) I have the same fears for em when he starts to fall which he will someday ... My evindence for this Em tryed to kill himself b4 even though he was working with Missy Elliot and stuff ... Snoops smokes 24/7 think about people usually smoke / drink to forget their worrys and cheer themselves up ... He must have SOME WORRIES to be smoking that much ....
Anyway i hope this never happens but i would'nt be surprised if i heard on mtv next year Snoop Sucide or something... :(
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I Dont Care What Yall Say, But Temporarily, That Would Be So Wild If Em And Snoop Were Beefin', With Dre In The Middle... LOL. There'd Be Diss Songs, Then A Make Up Song, That'd Be Funny As Hell.... I'd Ride With Snoop The Whole Time Though, Sorry.
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All Respect, But There's No Way That Snoop Would Kill Himself. Peeps That Kill Themselves Have A Diff. View Of Reality.. .Snoop Has A Loving Wife, Which He's Recently Worked Hard At Doing Her Right By Not Cheating Anymore, He's Got What, 3 Kids? Ain't NObody Gonna Kill Themselves With 3 Kids! Not To Mention, Black Suicide Rates Are Some Of The Lowest Allaround... White People Do Stupid Shit Like That, But Usually Black People Don't (Unless Your Last Name Is Troutman)... Snoop Is Having Fun In Life, He Probably Gets Pissed A Lil' Bit, But He Gets Love From EVERYBODY, He's Got Hundreds Of Family, Thousands Of Friends, And Millions Of Fans.
Eminem Makes Money Off His Whole "I'm Crazy, I'm Depressed" image. He Ain't Killin' Himself Either, That's Just What Sells Records. That's A Small Part Of All Of Us, Em Just Uses That Small Part To Make It Out Worse Than It Is To Sell Records. He's Got More Of A Chance Of Doing It Then Snoop, But Em Has A Ton Of Friends...
Most Peeps That Kill Themselves Are Loners, Don't Hang With Other Peeps, Snoop And Em Have Too Much To Look Forward To. BTW, Yall DO KNOW I'm A Psych Major, Right? I Graduate In 6 Months! WHOOOOO!!!
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Yeah that would be so funny ;D but at the end of the day it would be bad cause Dre would have to decide whos side to be on..
I don't think Snoop would diss em alot though but imagine Em dissing Snoop ;D lol
I'm sorry but Snoop is such an easy target to make fun of ... I mean imagine Em dressed up like Snoop in his "pimp" clothes (to make fun of him) putting on Snoop voice and shit and saying phases that Snoop would say lol
In fact i think Em has already done that i've seen interviews and i think it was on up and smoke video where em is doing Snoop impersinations He doesn't actual say hes doing snoop but u can tell he is lol ...
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Trauma said:
I'd Ride With Snoop The Whole Time Though, Sorry.
Don't apologize. I'd expect everyone to do the same in here (I do wonder about lee though!)
I think Snoop would win the battle - but he might get racist
Safe
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Yeah, And Em WOULDN'T Be An Eazy Target? Please, He's Just As Funny... You Could Make Fun Of His Infatuations With ICP, Britney Spears, Aguilera, ETc.... You Could Make Fun Of Him Pistol Whipping That Guy.. Make Fun Of His Crew... His Problems With His Wife...
That's Why It'd Be So Funny, To See How Far Each Would Go... Snoop Could Clown Em, Em Could Clown Snoop...
Don't Forget Dre Day... "With My Nuts On Ya Tonsils... While Ya Onstage Rappin At Your Wack-Ass Concerts"
The Shiznit - "I'm Fittin Bust A Bitch,.. What's Her Name? It's Luke...."
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I sometimes wonder that Snoop is racist? I maybe wrong but it just seems like that when he is in public.
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Why ?
I used to think maybe he was a little racist remember i made a post about it because i read something about Snoop where he said "i would'nt fuck a white girl " or something like that, i know alotta people replyed with things sayin "he probably just prefers black women" and stuff, but it seems to me if he was giving the choice between a really ugly black girl and a really gorgous white girl, who would he pick ? If he picked the black simply because she was black correct me if i'm wrong but isn't that rasict?
Anyway i think he is probably not rasict though other wise he would not have contacted Marilyn Manson to work with ...
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DPG vs. D12, HAHA that would be funny as fuck. DPG all the way. Anyways, I think Em shouldn't have wrote shit for Snoop, because Snoop only has rapped to his own shit. RBX and D.O.C. taught Snoop how to flow, as Snoop did flow a little like D.O.C. Though back to topic, Em givin' Snoop some lyrics was like saying, your shit is waked and I can fix it. You don't do that to a rap vet.
Plus Snoop getting racies, maybe at the fact that Em blew up because his white. I really don't see Snoop getting to racies, as I heard more of that when he was under Death Row after Dre left and 'Pac died.
Though to be honest, Snoop would get eaten alive by Em, unless Em has finally ran outta ideas to shock us. Em killed Everlast, the other white rapper with skillz. And Dre should side with Em, because that's his lable mate and money maker. Though I see Dre in the middle.
As for me, I'm down with the capital S-n-double o-p D-o-double g and the D-P-G-Cs. I really want to see a Dogg Pound compulation, and trust me, that'll show the world who the strongest crew is. Eminem, Nah, he couldn't fuck with some Cali gangstaz. ICP, them teenie boppers, Everlast ans Vanilla Ice, now compare thwm to DPGCs.
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to TRAUMA: yeah but Snoop was young then he didnt have a wife or family or so much pressure that he has now,,,,,, back then he had nothing to lose nowadays you see him trying to clean up and shit he couldnt get dirty
and for snoop getting racist on Em i think almost a lot of people have made a racist remark in their private world + If Em made racist remarks on Snoop and Em Racist marks on Snoop then
....This can get REALLY DIRTY
but when you see snoop saying ohh me and Em are cool he's my nephew and shit thats just a cover for the Public cause you know that wouldnt be good for snoop to start beef w/ EM
and on the Eminem lyrics for Snoop those arent snoops style can you picture snoop sayong eminem lyrics??
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EMINEM is just a phase in hip hop
just like
puffy and mase
no limit
now eminem
he s career s been dying since his second lp
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brothers and sisterz allow me to drop a view on this:
plain and simple eminem is pop
talented, yes?
millionaire? yes
but he's pop, he is an mtv product, i swear to god, nobody on my block, none of my friends none of my crew got eminem's shit, we all view himk as a pussy bitch,
up here much music (toronto) plays his shit non stop, PLEASE guys lets not forget eminem is pop,
snoop has street respect, respect in the hip hop community
only people i know who buy his shit is white rockers, and white pop fans,
and, shit, if beef started, snoop would clown em, first
snoop dont smash on small niggaz, thats why he dont give a fuck about jaypo, swoop
but em, shit thats a bigger star than him, and forget family worries, snoop isnt scared for his family, i dont see eminem worrying snoop,
any of you who dont think snoop is as funny as em, listen to tha chronic intro
eminem is pop, snoop is not, snoop will be around longer, open up the book of rap 10 years from now, and snoop will have a chapter dedicated to him, em? his pic will be next to mc hammer, and vanilaa ice, and it will say " although his career lasted longer than hammers or ice's, eminem still left the game in disgrace"
snoop shouldnt worry about tha fact that em sells more or is more popular, snoop and em aint tha same, snoops hip hop, snoop wont compare himself to britney spears so why should he compare himself to em,
only muthaphukkaz who would show luv to eminem is the white bandwagon fans, like that fuckin piece of shit magazine SPIN, whihc gave last meal 6 and said eminem replaced him, fuck em, fuck d 12, fuck SPIN
and fuck mtv
sorry it was long, had to get it off my chest
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Its wierd how you can't have both Strret respect and be popular among everyone. Its like one or the other.
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Eminem will eventually prove the haters wrong. People comparining him to Vannilla Ice and Hammer????? Eminem puts out full albums of bangin tracks. Hammer and Ice put out wack albums with one hit song.
And Eminem made ONE song for the radio on both of his albums. My Name Is, and Slim Shady LP, but because of his incredible talent and large fan base, he was able to get a few more songs to blow up.
If Eminem and Snoop got in a beef I would be with Eminem. Because Snoop would have to be a hater to get in a beef with Eminem. Snoop's not going to do that though because he's smarter than that. And that's why he came back and apologized.
Eminem is going to be around a long time. He will have both hardcore fans, and even non-hip-hop fans, because his music has a universal appeal. He has a pulse on what's going on right now in American society the same way 2pac and Kurt Cobain did.
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Eminem doesn't need to go back to his "Just Don't Give a Fuck" days. He needs to continue to evolve. Much like Dre has done. Daz is a good example of an artist who hasn't evolved, I know alot of you still like him, but not as many like him today as back in 95.
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Techniec is right... Eminem is a fucking PHASE he is nothing and i think he will be totally gone in maybe 3 years... im getting REALLY sick of people riding his nuts... to me EM is SOOOO overrated
PEace! ;D
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eminem has MAAAAD respect in the hardcore hip hop community, sure, plenty peeps is frustrated at the shit hes coming with at the moment but the fact remains that hes an ill ass emcee,
i mean, who can battle eminem and win?
ras kass
xzibit
crokked
cage
canibus
pharoahe
chino
kurupt
mad skillz
mos def
maybe those peeps and like a fwew more, but not many, damn sure not snoop(as much as i love his music)
eminem has amazing skills, and some of the most advanced wordplay and rhyming patterns in hip hip EVER... so he COMMANDES respect from everyone, surehe got haters....but most people can recognise the skillz...
im just one of those cats who wishes hed bo back to his old flow saying some funny shit that shocked you and made you laugh (rather than disapointing you and making you sick)
props to Trauma, those quotes were on point, thats the REAL eminem
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As I'm not an MC and Hip Hop is far less popular here than in the US will someone explain to me how you win a battle? What happens? Do they both rap at the same time or what?
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My understanding is that if two artists are battling, one spits rhymes for a minute trying to diss the other, and then the other rapper tries to pick up from where they left off and diss them back for about a minute. They go back and forth and usually the crowd will decide who wins the battle. Try to get ahold of the footage of Eminem at the Rap Olympics.
Another thing to do if your freestylin is cyphering, where your chilling with your homeboys and you try to pick up where the other one left off, and you pass it around. This isn't a competition like battling, this is more like biulding your skills and chilling with your boys. Here in Kansas City there aren't many hip-hop heads and the one friend I do have that's a head H20 Proof doesn't freestyle.
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That's cool man I find that I don't have a problem with lyrics or nuttin but my voice sounds wack (i think)
I know Tanjint used to have that problem
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The area I live in no one is into rap. All my homies that were into rap all moved to San Diego (lucky bastards).
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How can you not know what battleing is? Nevrmind, It doesn't matter...
Oh.."Fuck Off" was released on Kid Rocks "Devil Without..." CD...
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When it's all said and done in 10 - 15 years time when the smokes cleared
Two figures will be standing there
Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr Dre
^^^Guess you were wrong!
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This threads somethin else hahahaha
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both eminem and snoop are wack now.. sorry
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^ I would have agreed with you based on Encore but since then he's stepped his shit up. Don't get me wrong, his shit hasn't been flawless and sometimes pretty weak, but he's still miles ahead of Snoop.
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^ I would have agreed with you based on Encore but since then he's stepped his shit up. Don't get me wrong, his shit hasn't been flawless and sometimes pretty weak, but he's still miles ahead of Snoop.
I love Eminem and I love Snoop. I just wanted to expose a common misconception people had at this forum that Eminem was a fad and that he somehow wouldn't be around in a few years. Time has proved me right and them wrong.
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^ I would have agreed with you based on Encore but since then he's stepped his shit up. Don't get me wrong, his shit hasn't been flawless and sometimes pretty weak, but he's still miles ahead of Snoop.
i'll take snoop at his best over eminem any day.
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^ I think most people here like vintage Snoop, but he is ass these days, no denying that.
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snoop took some nasty ass shots at em on them old doggyfizzle episodes.
talked about how he didnt deserve a oscar then had a product called sminems cracker jacks and other assorted jabs
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^ I think most people here like vintage Snoop, but he is ass these days, no denying that.
nah..... he just needs dope tracks.
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^ I think most people here like vintage Snoop, but he is ass these days, no denying that.
em always been ass
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^ I think most people here like vintage Snoop, but he is ass these days, no denying that.
I would say he made a pretty great comeback if you have heard the doggumentry.
i even enjoyed a few of the songs off that joint album with Wiz
http://www.youtube.com/v/EVtwPMnJ4gk
joint is ill as shit 8)
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Techniec is right... Eminem is a fucking PHASE he is nothing and i think he will be totally gone in maybe 3 years... im getting REALLY sick of people riding his nuts... to me EM is SOOOO overrated
PEace! ;D
It's amusing to see how a lot of these opinions have been proven completely wrong.
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Biggie was "too pornographic", but Snoop's "I Wanna Fuck You" featuring Akon was acceptable.
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Sometimes, I wanna travel back in time and tell 2001 Sikotic to shut the fuck up.
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The area I live in no one is into rap. All my homies that were into rap all moved to San Diego (lucky bastards).
LOL
anyways, dudes who said Eminem was a Vanilla Ice-Mc Hammer type figure couldn't have been more wrong....looks like Infinite was right, again.
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^ I would have agreed with you based on Encore but since then he's stepped his shit up. Don't get me wrong, his shit hasn't been flawless and sometimes pretty weak, but he's still miles ahead of Snoop.
"Encore">>>"Recovery"
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Snoop never liked Eminem and always was a jealous hater... just ask Crooked I... he hated Eminem for being Dr.Dre's new thing while being a much better MC and vastly more successful, then hated Crooked I for being Long Beach's next big thing and again also because he was a much better MC than Snoop.
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yeah it's indisputable that Snoop is a major hater. there's piles of evidence throughout the years. it also seems like Snoop was hating on Pac's shine as you can see his different versions of the Nas/Pac incident, riding first for Pac then for Nas. then you got Eminem, Crooked I (which he was brownnosing when he first came up under Big C Style), and even his homeboys Warren, Soopa & Daz lol.
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lol didnt snoop say he dont like crooked i becasue he cant rap or he dont like the way he raps or someshit?
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lol didnt snoop say he dont like crooked i becasue he cant rap or he dont like the way he raps or someshit?
it's funny because when snoop said that in an interview i agreed wit him to the fullest.
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dead on point Mr.Loc
he needs to take us back to that funky white boy 'Anyman' flow and the beats need to be HIP HOP.....i wasnt impressed at all by 'Purple Pills' , american Psycho was aiight but em's metaphors are all off and that was his major perk when he first came out....
"i strike a still pose and psyche you with some ill flows that dont even make sense like dykes usin dildos"
i aint heard eminem come with nothin like that for a while yo....and thats what i need to find my faith in him again....
Haha, I love this thread.. Just goes to show you how people are always critical of new shit.. Now all people want is for Em to get back to the american psycho/purple pills days, back then they wanted his older stuff.. Shit just goes in circles..
I'm not saying I'm any better myself, still am a bigger fan of the old Em, but I mostly like the new stuff as well..
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the new shit is commercial garbo.... the old ish was commercial, but commercial on a hip-hop basis.....meaning, he wasnt making pop music and collaborating with the likes of britney spears, nsync, etc. which is equivalent to rihanna, bruno mars, etc. nowadays
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the new shit is commercial garbo.... the old ish was commercial, but commercial on a hip-hop basis.....meaning, he wasnt making pop music and collaborating with the likes of britney spears, nsync, etc. which is equivalent to rihanna, bruno mars, etc. nowadays
Always thought that was a moronic point. If it's some random hoe or Rihanna singing, what's the difference? Because we all know if it was Eminem featuring "random bitch" it would be raw & her voice would be "amazing". But Rihanna is just selling out. Despite making a song about domestic violence & burning people alive in houses, he's "selling out" lol.
Now that's not to be mistaken with Eminem "selling out", because he did. But just working with popular artists isn't selling out. It's all a business move.
Eminem singing hooks & simplifying his music & sounding stupid on songs is him selling out.
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the new shit is commercial garbo.... the old ish was commercial, but commercial on a hip-hop basis.....meaning, he wasnt making pop music and collaborating with the likes of britney spears, nsync, etc. which is equivalent to rihanna, bruno mars, etc. nowadays
All of that is truer than a muthafucka but at least the people from today have more Soul. I like some of Rhianna's songs, I think Bruno Mars does good imitations of Black Voice, even Justin Timberlake today has some good music here n there.
But I always did say that 01-05 were some of the weakest years in music. There's classics in all genres from those years I guess (I know a few) but Music as a whole was in a Recession from those years. The good part is that it was a such a short time, the bad part was a lot of bullshit came from that Time in Music.
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the new shit is commercial garbo.... the old ish was commercial, but commercial on a hip-hop basis.....meaning, he wasnt making pop music and collaborating with the likes of britney spears, nsync, etc. which is equivalent to rihanna, bruno mars, etc. nowadays
Always thought that was a moronic point. If it's some random hoe or Rihanna singing, what's the difference? Because we all know if it was Eminem featuring "random bitch" it would be raw & her voice would be "amazing". But Rihanna is just selling out. Despite making a song about domestic violence & burning people alive in houses, he's "selling out" lol.
Now that's not to be mistaken with Eminem "selling out", because he did. But just working with popular artists isn't selling out. It's all a business move.
Eminem singing hooks & simplifying his music & sounding stupid on songs is him selling out.
u dont get it...he's collaborating with the pop acts he used to make fun of. not that it's what makes his shit weak nowadays, cuz if he was still makin dope music, it'd be dope regardless. but shit's been straight pop songs. shit sounds like rihanna tracks with eminem verses on 'em, not eminem tracks with rihanna hooks.. he's catering to the masses. i know he could still come raw if he wanted to, but he aint after that no more. in his prime, he was still considered amongst the greats, regardless.
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Nik, why r u so mad at People being People?
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i'm not mad....that's his hustle. just sayin, his shit aint as dope as it could be.
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the new shit is commercial garbo.... the old ish was commercial, but commercial on a hip-hop basis.....meaning, he wasnt making pop music and collaborating with the likes of britney spears, nsync, etc. which is equivalent to rihanna, bruno mars, etc. nowadays
Always thought that was a moronic point. If it's some random hoe or Rihanna singing, what's the difference? Because we all know if it was Eminem featuring "random bitch" it would be raw & her voice would be "amazing". But Rihanna is just selling out. Despite making a song about domestic violence & burning people alive in houses, he's "selling out" lol.
Now that's not to be mistaken with Eminem "selling out", because he did. But just working with popular artists isn't selling out. It's all a business move.
Eminem singing hooks & simplifying his music & sounding stupid on songs is him selling out.
u dont get it...he's collaborating with the pop acts he used to make fun of. not that it's what makes his shit weak nowadays, cuz if he was still makin dope music, it'd be dope regardless. but shit's been straight pop songs. shit sounds like rihanna tracks with eminem verses on 'em, not eminem tracks with rihanna hooks.. he's catering to the masses. i know he could still come raw if he wanted to, but he aint after that no more. in his prime, he was still considered amongst the greats, regardless.
He never actually made fun of them. You yourself just made the point to say they are Nsync & shit. Rihanna has talent. The people he used to make fun of were lip-synching & straight up pop artists. Todays pop cast has some talent.
Above all, I think Em dissed them because at the time at the turn of the last decade, those acts were arguably bigger than Eminem was. So he was dissing them basically out of saying "How am I even in the same terms of popularity as these fake fucks?". Today, Eminem is the biggest name in music, so he doesn't have to diss inferior acts because Em will always be the star of the occasion.
I always thought "Love The Way You Lie" was a dope ass song. Nothing "cute" about it. It was industry supported, so the music video was super produced, had Megan Fox in it & the song was on the radio a million times, but as far as the song goes, the message was dope.
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Rihanna sounded like she was being beat in the studio on Love the Way you lie. No clue what you guys are talking bout that was pure shit.
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the new shit is commercial garbo.... the old ish was commercial, but commercial on a hip-hop basis.....meaning, he wasnt making pop music and collaborating with the likes of britney spears, nsync, etc. which is equivalent to rihanna, bruno mars, etc. nowadays
Always thought that was a moronic point. If it's some random hoe or Rihanna singing, what's the difference? Because we all know if it was Eminem featuring "random bitch" it would be raw & her voice would be "amazing". But Rihanna is just selling out. Despite making a song about domestic violence & burning people alive in houses, he's "selling out" lol.
Now that's not to be mistaken with Eminem "selling out", because he did. But just working with popular artists isn't selling out. It's all a business move.
Eminem singing hooks & simplifying his music & sounding stupid on songs is him selling out.
u dont get it...he's collaborating with the pop acts he used to make fun of. not that it's what makes his shit weak nowadays, cuz if he was still makin dope music, it'd be dope regardless. but shit's been straight pop songs. shit sounds like rihanna tracks with eminem verses on 'em, not eminem tracks with rihanna hooks.. he's catering to the masses. i know he could still come raw if he wanted to, but he aint after that no more. in his prime, he was still considered amongst the greats, regardless.
There's a big difference between Rihanna and a Britney Spears / NSync. Just because they're killing the charts doesn't make the music the same. Britney and NSync were pure pop, Rihanna still comes with an edge on tracks like "Go Hard". The sound of the music, and also what it is representing is completely different in my opinion. Yes Rihanna makes pop music, but a track like "Umbrella" is pop music at it's best. Just my 2 cents.
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Love the way you lie was as soft as some of the drake music,but that doesnt make it wack. It had substance and messege. Overall it wasnt all that great, but it was ok, better than all the other shit on the radio. And rihanna appeared on another 2 huge rap singles, one with t.i. and one with jay & kanye and they were dope. Most of legendary rappers had soft songs, that doesnt make them wack or sell out
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point is, if this were 2001, em wouldn't be lookin for those sorta collaborations.... his music fell off. he went from a raw emcee to a raw shock rapper to a sappy pop rapper. he still has it in him to come dope, he just prefers to make music for the masses, as opposed to just the hip-hop crowd.
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Pop artists can be ok when they are guided by someone else. Fergies straight trash but she does her thing on my beautidul dark twisted fantasy.
Idk where anybody gets the idea em sold out on mmlp. He seemed dedicated as ever to put out good shot and get shit of his chest. And people dont get real slim shady is making fun of repetitive pop songs from that time? And fucking kims on that album arguably his most disturbing song. He was popular but he seemed like he used itto point out the bullshit in the industry.
Em sucks now. Hes so bland and boring. He ran out shit to say. And he just makes cookie cutter pop music or cliche battlerap which is such a step back on the.mic. Dude used to say tons of real shit while spitting crazy complicated rhyme schemes. top 15 of all time to me.
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Em did fall off when Encore dropped. Prior to Encore, Eminem had steadily improved with each album and climaxed with the 8 Mile Soundtrack. "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" was one of his last great tracks and that track is very prophetic if you listen closely.
Why Em fell off...
#1. 8 Mile finally gave him the opportunity to show his story to the whole world. The whole project was a gigantic success, and after completion of it Em had fulfilled his destiny and there was really nowhere to go after that but to either "disappear into the mountains" or to be a shadow of your former self.
#2. Also, Em still was at the top of his game shortly after 8 Mile. He didn't fall immediately. The beefs were keepin him strong. His beefs with Benzino, Ja Rule, and Murder Inc. kept Em sharp. The first leak that came out for Encore was pretty dope, it had "We As Americuns" and diss tracks like "Bully" and "Canibitch" were still Em at his best. But something died in him after that shit was leaked. He gave up the beefs and what we ended up with was "Toy Soldier" and the god awful "Big Weenie".
...Em's still capable of making a decent track every now and then. And compared to the rest of the game he is still one of the best. Tracks like "Where I'm At" with Loyd Banks prove he still has something left in the tank. Em will be rapping forever because that's all he knows. I still always look forward to his next album.
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He ran out shit to say.
That sums it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that whole "I was drugged out of my mind, going insane" thing wasn't just an act for his career. This way he could make an entire album about finally getting off drugs lol.
I listen to old Em & then listen to now & it's kinda lame hearing how he was a hundred million miles ahead of the artist he is now.
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He ran out shit to say.
That sums it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that whole "I was drugged out of my mind, going insane" thing wasn't just an act for his career. This way he could make an entire album about finally getting off drugs lol.
I listen to old Em & then listen to now & it's kinda lame hearing how he was a hundred million miles ahead of the artist he is now.
Yeah, the drug thing was just publicity to create a narrative to keep his name in the spotlight.
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He ran out shit to say.
That sums it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that whole "I was drugged out of my mind, going insane" thing wasn't just an act for his career. This way he could make an entire album about finally getting off drugs lol.
I listen to old Em & then listen to now & it's kinda lame hearing how he was a hundred million miles ahead of the artist he is now.
Yeah, the drug thing was just publicity to create a narrative to keep his name in the spotlight.
sad.
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He ran out shit to say.
That sums it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that whole "I was drugged out of my mind, going insane" thing wasn't just an act for his career. This way he could make an entire album about finally getting off drugs lol.
I listen to old Em & then listen to now & it's kinda lame hearing how he was a hundred million miles ahead of the artist he is now.
Yeah, the drug thing was just publicity to create a narrative to keep his name in the spotlight.
sad.
It's still worth something though. It gives Eminem something more meaningful to talk about then what most rappers speak on these days.
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He ran out shit to say.
That sums it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that whole "I was drugged out of my mind, going insane" thing wasn't just an act for his career. This way he could make an entire album about finally getting off drugs lol.
I listen to old Em & then listen to now & it's kinda lame hearing how he was a hundred million miles ahead of the artist he is now.
Yeah, the drug thing was just publicity to create a narrative to keep his name in the spotlight.
sad.
It's still worth something though. It gives Eminem something more meaningful to talk about then what most rappers speak on these days.
it's cool to do a track or two about it but not a whole record.
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em really was doin drugs, though...maybe not as much as he acted like he did, but he still did to a certain extent.
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Both artists are wack these days. I remember people here trying to hype doggumentary for the first few weeks and I listened to it and it was complete trash. Maybe two listenable songs out of 20. And recovery in my opinion was eminems worst album.
Em working with pink and Rihanna was the definition of selling out.
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As far as snoop being a hater that's obvious. He even admitted to hating on crooked I when they finally squashed it.
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He ran out shit to say.
That sums it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that whole "I was drugged out of my mind, going insane" thing wasn't just an act for his career. This way he could make an entire album about finally getting off drugs lol.
I listen to old Em & then listen to now & it's kinda lame hearing how he was a hundred million miles ahead of the artist he is now.
Yeah, the drug thing was just publicity to create a narrative to keep his name in the spotlight.
i don´t think so . of course the whole thing with him sobering up and whatever makes a good comeback story but he was definitely on pills, he knows what he´s talking about.
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So Em is a sellout because he did a song with Pink and Rhianna?
And Snoop isn't because of.....? I guess the multi-millionaire many times over just had to do that Pepsi commercial. Didn't Snoop also do a couple songs with Britney Spears and Katy Perry?
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far as music goes, (and not technical mc-skills per say)
Snoop Dogg, 2012 ----->>> Eminem, 2012
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far as music goes, (and not technical mc-skills per say)
Snoop Dogg, 2012 <<<<------- Eminem, 2012
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BUMP Billy Bob
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I'll describe Eminem. in the words of Mr. David Blake
"So repetitive, not to be confused with competitive
Get a bar of this you need a sedative".
Eminem is a pop singer.
his voice is annoying.
But many people like. :sign_wrongforum:
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I'll describe Eminem. in the words of Mr. David Blake
"So repetitive, not to be confused with competitive
Get a bar of this you need a sedative".
Eminem is a pop singer.
his voice is annoying.
But many people like. :sign_wrongforum:
Yes Sir
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When it's all said and done in 10 - 15 years time when the smokes cleared
Two figures will be standing there
Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr Dre
yeah eminem is a ghost now huh?