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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: provoked15 on March 09, 2008, 02:00:44 PM
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I wont say anymore as IM not tryin to turn this post into spam.
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I am gonna take charge of this utterly pointless thread, and bring some sort of meaning to it.
Honestly, what's missing in my life is probably a feeling of self-importance. What I mean is, I have all of these goals I want to accomplish, but the process it take to accomplish these goals takes forever. I feel like I'm just sitting on my ass in a classroom learning shit that will never apply to my goals in life.
So I guess I'm missing patience in my life as well.
Anyways, I tried to save this thread. If all else fails, "free post".
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Word. Wasting the youth away in textbooks.
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I am gonna take charge of this utterly pointless thread, and bring some sort of meaning to it.
Honestly, what's missing in my life is probably a feeling of self-importance. What I mean is, I have all of these goals I want to accomplish, but the process it take to accomplish these goals takes forever. I feel like I'm just sitting on my ass in a classroom learning shit that will never apply to my goals in life.
So I guess I'm missing patience in my life as well.
Anyways, I tried to save this thread. If all else fails, "free post".
I know what you mean... but there's a different way to look at this (as with everything else), and it would probably be more fulfilling to look at it this way.
An education in itself is very valuable in my opinion, regardless of whether you ever use all that information (in my case, economic theories) to achieve your goals or not... the four years that you're spending at the school is giving you the backbone for what you want to do in the future... some of the information you're going to apply... I think it also serves to train you to think a certain way. Also, I love gaining knowledge.... and anyone that's out there gaining knowledge is doing something positive for themselves, and maybe even for others, since more knowledge means less ignorance. And I think you said you're planning on becoming a doctor... so there's no reason why you should feel any lack of self-importance when you're doing what is necessary to reach that goal... certain things in life are just a series of stepping stones... a career path and the education leading up to it is certainly one of those things. So I guess in the end it really is (or should be) just a matter of you being impatient... but that goes for many of us. I'm very impatient... but it seems like it's only for things in the short-term (I get pissed off sitting in traffic, if I'm picking my girlfriend up and she's not ready by the time she said she would be, etc)... for long-term goals I've learned to accept that it's all about completing one thing to start another in order to eventually reach my goal.
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That's a good perception to have. You're completely right, I guess I'm just a pessimistic person. Either way, I have to go through this shit so being impatient with something long-term isn;t going to do me any favors.
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Honestly, what's missing in my life is probably a feeling of self-importance. What I mean is, I have all of these goals I want to accomplish, but the process it take to accomplish these goals takes forever. I feel like I'm just sitting on my ass in a classroom learning shit that will never apply to my goals in life.
So I guess I'm missing patience in my life as well.
That's why you need Islam, because Islam places importance upon every moment of the day. Because Islam is a way of life that is submission to the Creator. So you are trying to stay in a constant state of submission and remembrance of God. For example, at 5 points of the day there are congregational prayers in the masjid that you can attend or at the very least you must perform by yourself, so you are constantly reminded (by this and various aspects of the religion) of your higher self and purpose to live righteous.
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I know what you mean... but there's a different way to look at this (as with everything else), and it would probably be more fulfilling to look at it this way.
An education in itself is very valuable in my opinion, regardless of whether you ever use all that information (in my case, economic theories) to achieve your goals or not... the four years that you're spending at the school is giving you the backbone for what you want to do in the future... some of the information you're going to apply... I think it also serves to train you to think a certain way. Also, I love gaining knowledge.... and anyone that's out there gaining knowledge is doing something positive for themselves, and maybe even for others, since more knowledge means less ignorance. And I think you said you're planning on becoming a doctor... so there's no reason why you should feel any lack of self-importance when you're doing what is necessary to reach that goal... certain things in life are just a series of stepping stones... a career path and the education leading up to it is certainly one of those things. So I guess in the end it really is (or should be) just a matter of you being impatient... but that goes for many of us. I'm very impatient... but it seems like it's only for things in the short-term (I get pissed off sitting in traffic, if I'm picking my girlfriend up and she's not ready by the time she said she would be, etc)... for long-term goals I've learned to accept that it's all about completing one thing to start another in order to eventually reach my goal.
College may be useful in pursuing a career, cause it gives you a piece of paper that will help you land a job.
But let's be real, almost anything you can learn in college you can learn with a library card, internet access, and motivation. And not only that but you will learn it your own way, and not just be merely repeating what your teaching has "trained" you to say.
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Honestly, what's missing in my life is probably a feeling of self-importance. What I mean is, I have all of these goals I want to accomplish, but the process it take to accomplish these goals takes forever. I feel like I'm just sitting on my ass in a classroom learning shit that will never apply to my goals in life.
So I guess I'm missing patience in my life as well.
That's why you need Islam
lol
before you convert to islam sik, i have a dianetics test i want you to try so we can measure your stress. cool?
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I know what you mean... but there's a different way to look at this (as with everything else), and it would probably be more fulfilling to look at it this way.
An education in itself is very valuable in my opinion, regardless of whether you ever use all that information (in my case, economic theories) to achieve your goals or not... the four years that you're spending at the school is giving you the backbone for what you want to do in the future... some of the information you're going to apply... I think it also serves to train you to think a certain way. Also, I love gaining knowledge.... and anyone that's out there gaining knowledge is doing something positive for themselves, and maybe even for others, since more knowledge means less ignorance. And I think you said you're planning on becoming a doctor... so there's no reason why you should feel any lack of self-importance when you're doing what is necessary to reach that goal... certain things in life are just a series of stepping stones... a career path and the education leading up to it is certainly one of those things. So I guess in the end it really is (or should be) just a matter of you being impatient... but that goes for many of us. I'm very impatient... but it seems like it's only for things in the short-term (I get pissed off sitting in traffic, if I'm picking my girlfriend up and she's not ready by the time she said she would be, etc)... for long-term goals I've learned to accept that it's all about completing one thing to start another in order to eventually reach my goal.
College may be useful in pursuing a career, cause it gives you a piece of paper that will help you land a job.
But let's be real, almost anything you can learn in college you can learn with a library card, internet access, and motivation. And not only that but you will learn it your own way, and not just be merely repeating what your teaching has "trained" you to say.
Yeah, a college education is useful because you earn a degree that will help you land a job. Have you attended, or are you attending college right now? I honestly don't think you can equate a college education to popping open an encyclopedia. In my opinion there's more to a formal education than simply obtaining information.
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Honestly, what's missing in my life is probably a feeling of self-importance. What I mean is, I have all of these goals I want to accomplish, but the process it take to accomplish these goals takes forever. I feel like I'm just sitting on my ass in a classroom learning shit that will never apply to my goals in life.
So I guess I'm missing patience in my life as well.
That's why you need Islam
lol
before you convert to islam sik, i have a dianetics test i want you to try so we can measure your stress. cool?
LMAO!
I'll think about it.
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Yeah, a college education is useful because you earn a degree that will help you land a job. Have you attended, or are you attending college right now? I honestly don't think you can equate a college education to popping open an encyclopedia. In my opinion there's more to a formal education than simply obtaining information.
Fuck school (*bumps Dead Prez "They Schools")
I try to stay away from school as much as possible. Every once in a while I forget how bad it really is, and go back... but I am quickly reminded.
I have a few certificates from school. I have a CDL (Commercial Drivers Liscence). I have a CNA (Certified Nurse Assistant) and a CMT (Certified Medication Technician). I also have a lot of useless credit hours that have amounted to nothing. I've wasted time, wasted money, passed a few here, flunked a few there... and it was all straight up BULLSHIT! And the last time I even liked the social atmosphere of school was jr. high.
And anything I learned in school I could of learned much better outside of school. Coming out of high school I didn't even know what a passport was... I only started learning when I got out of high school (public schools are nothing more than government schools by the way) and started making my own moves.
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Yeah, a college education is useful because you earn a degree that will help you land a job. Have you attended, or are you attending college right now? I honestly don't think you can equate a college education to popping open an encyclopedia. In my opinion there's more to a formal education than simply obtaining information.
Fuck school (*bumps Dead Prez "They Schools")
youre white bryan that song has nothing to do with you.
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youre white bryan that song has nothing to do with you.
Actually it does. That song sounded very empowering to me when I first heard it. It says, "In a 4 year sentence, mad niggaz never finish, but that doesn't mean I couldn't be a doctor or dentist". I first heard that song my senior year of highschool, spring 2000, and I remember that line got me thinking about how anything a doctor or dentist learns in school you could actually learn outside of school. I realized how fooled people are to think knowledge is contained in a classroom.
Check this, the whole world is a classroom, and God is our teacher.
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Yeah, a college education is useful because you earn a degree that will help you land a job. Have you attended, or are you attending college right now? I honestly don't think you can equate a college education to popping open an encyclopedia. In my opinion there's more to a formal education than simply obtaining information.
Fuck school (*bumps Dead Prez "They Schools")
I try to stay away from school as much as possible. Every once in a while I forget how bad it really is, and go back... but I am quickly reminded.
I have a few certificates from school. I have a CDL (Commercial Drivers Liscence). I have a CNA (Certified Nurse Assistant) and a CMT (Certified Medication Technician). I also have a lot of useless credit hours that have amounted to nothing. I've wasted time, wasted money, passed a few here, flunked a few there... and it was all straight up BULLSHIT! And the last time I even liked the social atmosphere of school was jr. high.
And anything I learned in school I could of learned much better outside of school. Coming out of high school I didn't even know what a passport was... I only started learning when I got out of high school (public schools are nothing more than government schools by the way) and started making my own moves.
Maybe in your case it was a waste of time and money. You not knowing what a passport was doesn't have anything to do with school... it just means you were a sheltered dumbass... I'm sorry but it's true... I knew what a passport was in elementary. Where have "your own moves" taken you?
Also maybe your hate for school stems from your dislike of the "social atmosphere"... maybe the fact that you weren't liked very much and didn't have many friends prevented you from appreciating the education itself.
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Maybe in your case it was a waste of time and money. You not knowing what a passport was doesn't have anything to do with school... it just means you were a sheltered dumbass... I'm sorry but it's true... I knew what a passport was in elementary.
Part of a good education involves learning about the outside world, which I knew nothing about upon graduating highschool. So not knowing what a passport was is relevant to the discussion. And of course you knew what a passport was, you are an immigrant from Afghanistan. Your background and mine are totally different. Most immigrants to the West worship school, it's one of the big reasons they immigrate in the first place.
Where have "your own moves" taken you?
My own moves have taken me all over the world. I've spent significant time in Saudi Arabia (Mekkah, Medina, Jeddah) in Oman, the Emirates, Africa (Senegal and Gambia). And also been briefly to Mexico, Bahamas and Europe.
I've learned everything outside of school. A book by William Upski Wimsatt really changed my life. He's a hip-hop activist and he writes about self-education over public education, and how we can get much more out of creating our own curriculum for ourselves.
When I was 17, the only thing you could get me to read outside of school was hip-hop magazines and the sports page. But my first year after graduating, I read dozens of books on my own, and in the beginning, I had to look in the dictionary every few sentences (when I read "Soul On Ice" for example).
I started practicing vegetarianism, flirted with Buddhism, eventually ended up with Islam.
I learned how to read and write Arabic, can read and understand 75% of the Quran in it's originally language of Arabic without English translation, know basic Arabic conversation.
I've given lectures in front of 100's of people at mosque's inside of America and also while I was in Africa. (In high school I never gave one lecture to anybody about anything, and in the Speech class in college I gave just 3 speaches which was a joke because that's hardly enough for anybody to break their fear of public speaking)
I've lead youth sports groups and dawah projects inside the Islamic community. I've taught classes on Turkish/Ottoman history, along with history of the Kalifah, Spanish Islamic era, etc.
I didn't even know the difference between what right wing and liberal meant when I graduated high school. Since graduating I've studied Libertarian politics in depth, Islamic sharia, and global economics and it's relationship to politics.
Also, of course, I've studied in depth African-Islamic history from Africa to America and so on, and all the various black nationalist history that has existed in America.
Studied history of the Indian subcontinent, basically world history, religious history... so many things man, the point is, whatever I did I did outside of school.
Also maybe your hate for school stems from your dislike of the "social atmosphere"... maybe the fact that you weren't liked very much and didn't have many friends prevented you from appreciating the education itself.
This is always funny to me. How would any of you know if I wasn't "liked very much" in school? Your understanding is so limited that if I say I hated high school then you automatically assume I must not have been well liked. That's ridiculous. But people say it to each other all the time at the forum online.
I was actually very well liked in school. I had plenty of girlfriends, played on the high school basketball team, went to all the parties, got high, got drunk, got laid, and everything else people use to measure popularity in school. But none of it meant shit to me.
When I first started hanging out and having girlfriends in my early teens (13 and 14) in jr. high, it was really fun and I really loved it, and the close friends and girlfriends I had in those early years are still special to me in my heart to this day. 94-96 hold some of my sweetest memories. Those were real genuine times.
But by the time high school came around, people had changed, everyone became fake; and none of it seemed real to me. It was all old a played out. But I didn't know what else to do, so I just went along with it, and prayed that it would all end soon. I even wanted to kill myself more than anything. But instead, I just waited for high school to end, so I could move on with my life and go in a totally different direction on my own.
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And of course you knew what a passport was, you are an immigrant from Afghanistan. Your background and mine are totally different. Most immigrants to the West worship school, it's one of the big reasons they immigrate in the first place.
A few things...
-You talk about making assumptions... you spoke on the social atmosphere, so it was more of a misunderstanding on my part rather than some bullshit assumption... but where did you get the idea that I'm an immigrant from Afghanistan? I was born here... yet I'm still big on school and education... as are many others who were born here.
So that also had nothing to do with me knowing what a passport was before I graduated high school.
-Props on your accomplishments
-I can attest to the fact that high school is a fucking joke here in the U.S... but having gone to high school here and now attending university... I can tell you first-hand that it's a completely different story when you get to the college level... I have learned so much in these last 3+ years... and it has probably been the best overall experience of my life. But then again, I attend a pretty good school, dormed my first two years, and now live right next to campus... so my experience is most likely a lot different from whatever experience you had with post-high school education... I'm assuming you took some courses at a community college... I took a few of those during my high school years, and it didn't seem any different than high school to me.
It all comes down to how much value you place upon it... but to claim that opening up some books at the library is the same as obtaining a college education is ridiculous. There's more to an education than just a mere memorization of facts and details.
- Lastly, I want to comment on what you said here:
"When I was 17, the only thing you could get me to read outside of school was hip-hop magazines and the sports page. But my first year after graduating, I read dozens of books on my own, and in the beginning, I had to look in the dictionary every few sentences"
That has nothing to do with school. The fact that you didn't read anything but magazines outside of school isn't the school's fault. You said yourself that people can learn anything they want with some "motivation"... so maybe that's where the problem was laying with you. In addition, if it wasn't for you even getting that bullshit education you did up until high school... you probably wouldn't have been able to read and understand most of the shit you read and learned after high school. You learned how to read at school, right? By the way with all the reading you do on your own you should be able to spell simple words correctly... I mean you see them all the time... not knowing the difference between "of" and "have" really brings your comprehension of those readings to question.
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A few things...
-You talk about making assumptions... you spoke on the social atmosphere, so it was more of a misunderstanding on my part rather than some bullshit assumption... but where did you get the idea that I'm an immigrant from Afghanistan? I was born here... yet I'm still big on school and education... as are many others who were born here.
So that also had nothing to do with me knowing what a passport was before I graduated high school.
-Props on your accomplishments
-I can attest to the fact that high school is a fucking joke here in the U.S... but having gone to high school here and now attending university... I can tell you first-hand that it's a completely different story when you get to the college level... I have learned so much in these last 3+ years... and it has probably been the best overall experience of my life. But then again, I attend a pretty good school, dormed my first two years, and now live right next to campus... so my experience is most likely a lot different from whatever experience you had with post-high school education... I'm assuming you took some courses at a community college... I took a few of those during my high school years, and it didn't seem any different than high school to me.
It all comes down to how much value you place upon it... but to claim that opening up some books at the library is the same as obtaining a college education is ridiculous. There's more to an education than just a mere memorization of facts and details.
- Lastly, I want to comment on what you said here:
"When I was 17, the only thing you could get me to read outside of school was hip-hop magazines and the sports page. But my first year after graduating, I read dozens of books on my own, and in the beginning, I had to look in the dictionary every few sentences"
That has nothing to do with school. The fact that you didn't read anything but magazines outside of school isn't the school's fault. You said yourself that people can learn anything they want with some "motivation"... so maybe that's where the problem was laying with you. In addition, if it wasn't for you even getting that bullshit education you did up until high school... you probably wouldn't have been able to read and understand most of the shit you read and learned after high school. You learned how to read at school, right? By the way with all the reading you do on your own you should be able to spell simple words correctly... I mean you see them all the time... not knowing the difference between "of" and "have" really brings your comprehension of those readings to question.
-So you didn't immigrate yourself but your family did, either way, my point is still valid. You probably grew up spoking a couple of languages and I'm sure you had some idea about the outside world; and probably had close family members all over the world.
-Whether community college or University I haven't been impressed with anything I've seen. I used to visit my friends who went away to college at Universities and all they did was drink beer, played video games, and tried to kiss ass to get into some fraternity. They actually became more ignorant in my opinion. Obviously, my experiences do not represent a universal truth, they are my own experiences and impressions, and I am aware that other people have gained a great deal from the college experiences. However, to me, according to my background and experiences, it's straight BULLSHIT!
-Also, the point I made about reading after high school was totally valid. Had I been presented with any material in high school that was at all relevant or worthwhile, then I would have jumped on it. But instead I was presented with "To Kill A Mocking Bird", "Great Expectations", "Mice and Men", Shakespeare, whatever... and historical figures like Harry S. Truman, Martin Luther King, King Louie the whatever (world history in school is just America and Europe)... the point of is none of that shit reached me.
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Aight, who got that Dead Prez in mp3??
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why we want what we cant have?
im missing a good education, im too patient, kinda silent (introvert), detox. TIME!
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Yeah, a college education is useful because you earn a degree that will help you land a job. Have you attended, or are you attending college right now? I honestly don't think you can equate a college education to popping open an encyclopedia. In my opinion there's more to a formal education than simply obtaining information.
Fuck school (*bumps Dead Prez "They Schools")
I try to stay away from school as much as possible. Every once in a while I forget how bad it really is, and go back... but I am quickly reminded.
I have a few certificates from school. I have a CDL (Commercial Drivers Liscence). I have a CNA (Certified Nurse Assistant) and a CMT (Certified Medication Technician). I also have a lot of useless credit hours that have amounted to nothing. I've wasted time, wasted money, passed a few here, flunked a few there... and it was all straight up BULLSHIT! And the last time I even liked the social atmosphere of school was jr. high.
And anything I learned in school I could of learned much better outside of school. Coming out of high school I didn't even know what a passport was... I only started learning when I got out of high school (public schools are nothing more than government schools by the way) and started making my own moves.
lol i knew what a passprt was in elementary skool.....