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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Elano on April 02, 2008, 05:33:35 AM
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L.A. wants to whitewash graffiti mural
LOS ANGELES - It was a graffiti artist's dream come true: 10,000 square feet of concrete and a permit to paint. Families brought their kids to watch as hundreds of muralists, using their own materials and working for free, sprayed technicolor shades on the steep banks of an ugly, manmade riverbed.
Not everyone was pleased, however, with the results of the civic-minded effort, which had the city's blessing but has rekindled debates over whether Los Angeles County should condone a practice it pays millions to combat.
Some politicians protested that parts of the mural are obscene and have attracted gang-related tags in a city where graffiti already mars homes, sidewalks and buildings. The county has given organizers until Wednesday to whitewash the mural, and neither side is backing down.
"It would be beautiful if the river went back to its natural state and was actually a river and a park," said Alex Poli, a graffiti artist and gallery owner known as "Man One." "But right now we have concrete walls, so the next best thing is to beautify it with art."
The site in question, a concrete canyon where a tributary, Arroyo Seco, meets the Los Angeles River, is surrounded by an industrial neighborhood on the edge of downtown and, like most of the river's 51 miles, is hemmed in by artificial banks to control floods.
To obtain the permit from a maze of local governments and regulatory agencies, Poli enlisted the Friends of the Los Angeles River, an environmental organization that works with the multiple agencies that control the river.
Poli organized the public art project on a sunny weekend in September, and the artists created a canvas full of bold, abstract graffiti script and some edgy imagery: a sorcerer in a hoodie sweatshirt conjuring a spray can, an angel cradling a man, a pig in a suit smoking marijuana, the Hollywood sign in flames and scantily clad women.
County Supervisor Gloria Molina promptly demanded the mural's removal, complaining that some of the images were inappropriate for a public art display near where city planners want to build bike paths. The environmental group's mission is to protect the river, and "this seemed like an odd way to do it," said Roxane Marquez, a Molina spokeswoman.
Marquez said Poli hasn't kept his promise to organize a volunteer touchup crew to keep the surrounding concrete pristine and free of gang tags and extra graffiti.
Poli said the politicians don't understand the difference between graffiti and graffiti art, which is exhibited in museums and galleries around the world.
"People still have trouble considering it art because we use a spray can," he said.
In mid-October, some of the murals were whitewashed without warning. Molina and the Department of Public Works denied involvement, but in December, Molina got the county Board of Supervisors to pass an emergency motion giving the Friends of the Los Angeles River 90 days to paint over the murals or pay up to $70,000 for their removal.
County crews removed about 60 million square feet of graffiti in 2006 at a cost of about $32 million, county officials have said.
The Friends group stands by the idea of having art by the river, spokeswoman Shelly Backlar said. But the organization, which is scrambling to rebuild its stock with the county and the agencies that supervise the river, concedes some of what the artist put into the mural might not belong there.
"It's their permit and their event, and we've been pulled in because of the work that we do," Backlar said. "It's not what we thought it would be."
City Councilman Ed Reyes, who originally supported Poli's project and authorized the permit, said he regrets that decision because he believes the art has attracted gang members, who have added their tags to the riverbed walls.
The graffiti "spilled out of the river channel, into the sidewalks, onto the handrails, into buildings," Reyes said. "Before it was a neutral place, but now we have clear indicators that rival gangs and taggers are showing up there."
More tagging has steadily accumulated at the Arroyo Seco site since last fall. Other artists have primed their own pieces of concrete and added to the project, extending the murals a few dozen yards.
Poli condemns taggers but sees the more ambitious work as copycats — students learning from the masters. Tagging increased after parts of the mural were whitewashed, including offensive images directed at Molina and county officials.
"The county needs to wake up," said Kalen Ockerman, who paints under the name "Mear One." "The rest of the world is busy paying kids to do this stuff," on album covers and billboards.
Poli considered painting over the murals, "because of all the grief." He's also talking to lawyers, hoping that a strongly worded letter will stop the county from billing the environmental group or his gallery.
"We did nothing illegal and we had permits," he said. "We're in the business of creating art, not destroying it."
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because theyre dumb fucks.
graffiti is an art..street art.love that shit but real pieces, not just tags.
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First I gotta say that I respect and enjoy the artform. It is illegal if its done on someone else's property, but the illegality of the nature of it itself is part of the artform. There is a certain element of danger involved in it in the sense that there is a chance you could go to jail/be fined for it. There is not that same risk associated with it in places where it is "allowed" and to me that devalues it a little. my point is that a) it SHOULD be illegal to paint all over somebody else's property and 2) if it is legalized, that takes a certain element away from it. KEEP GRAF ART ILLEGAL!
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Why is it illegal?
90% of graffiti is bullshit sloppy names. That's a lot of ugly shit.
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^yep
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cuz them taggers still get bangd on n get shot at by gangs, no point of being a tagger or a tag banger, might as well be a gangbanger unless ur really talented. its illegal cuz mutha fucaks still get shot over that shit.
lot of taggers these days r straight sqaures -.-, lupe or kanye lookin mutha fuckas
also bcuz tagging came from gangbangin
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Simply put, you are not allowed to change public or private property that doesn't belong to you without permission. It doesn't matter whether if it's art work, gang signs, or even painting over graffiti. If it doesn't belong to you, you shouldn't change it.
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Go to San Fernando and I'll show you why that shit is illegal. Shit is just plain ugly and leads to unnecessary violence when a store owner, who pays taxes and rent to operate his business, gets murdered for painting over the ugly shit that is scaring away his customers. Fuck that shit.
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Go to San Fernando and I'll show you why that shit is illegal. Shit is just plain ugly and leads to unnecessary violence when a store owner, who pays taxes and rent to operate his business, gets murdered for painting over the ugly shit that is scaring away his customers. Fuck that shit.
word.
it is a art, but paint on your own damn property, do that shit on your garage, on your house side, go buy a fucking paint book.
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Go to San Fernando and I'll show you why that shit is illegal. Shit is just plain ugly and leads to unnecessary violence when a store owner, who pays taxes and rent to operate his business, gets murdered for painting over the ugly shit that is scaring away his customers. Fuck that shit.
I thought this thread was about graf art not tagging. tagging is bullshit.
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eye like seeing that shit but eye can see where niggas that own stores coming from......
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Go to San Fernando and I'll show you why that shit is illegal. Shit is just plain ugly and leads to unnecessary violence when a store owner, who pays taxes and rent to operate his business, gets murdered for painting over the ugly shit that is scaring away his customers. Fuck that shit.
I thought this thread was about graf art not tagging. tagging is bullshit.
same thing homies... taggin is the generalize version of graf art, murals, whatever, u write in the wrong hood thats the last thing u gonna do.
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eye like seeing that shit but eye can see where niggas that own stores coming from......
Word... and hiphoppers got to respect graffiti because its one of the four elements of hiphop.
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eye like seeing that shit but eye can see where niggas that own stores coming from......
Word... and hiphoppers got to respect graffiti because its one of the four elements of hiphop.
than gangbanging must be too, if not than it cant be. to me its totally a gang thing,
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eye like seeing that shit but eye can see where niggas that own stores coming from......
Word... and hiphoppers
got to respect graffiti because its one of the four elements of hiphop.
Last week there was a thread about this element;
West Coast Pop Lockers ? (LMFAO!!!)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=173876.0
http://www.youtube.com/v/b5aYMY6-lII
I don't care if they are down with suga free, these guys are a joke :D
And even if this dance is one of the original elements of West Coast hiphop,these pop lockers looks like idiots to me.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=29747731
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4035778
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3708015
and now you can tell me how HARD are these guys 'cause they're bloods,i still don't give a fuck.
So now I´m a idiot and a vandal :P :P :P :P :P
What the hell? :P :P :P :P
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So now I´m a idiot and a vandal :P :P :P :P :P
What the hell? :P :P :P :P
not going to judge you, since i don't know where you are active and what your intentions are
but the places where i spot graffiti in my city, i don't see any signs of it being intended as art; it's pure vandalism, sometimes it even contains offensive (even racial) statements
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eye like seeing that shit but eye can see where niggas that own stores coming from......
Word... and hiphoppers
got to respect graffiti because its one of the four elements of hiphop.
Last week there was a thread about this element;
West Coast Pop Lockers ? (LMFAO!!!)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=173876.0
http://www.youtube.com/v/b5aYMY6-lII
I don't care if they are down with suga free, these guys are a joke :D
And even if this dance is one of the original elements of West Coast hiphop,these pop lockers looks like idiots to me.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=29747731
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4035778
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3708015
and now you can tell me how HARD are these guys 'cause they're bloods,i still don't give a fuck.
So now I´m a idiot and a vandal :P :P :P :P :P
What the hell? :P :P :P :P
hey chad,i've never said you are an idiot ;)
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
Graffiti is a crime, as it should be. Graffiti artists should be thrown in jail. Learn to respect the next man's rights to freedom if you wish to maintain yours.
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So now I´m a idiot and a vandal :P :P :P :P :P
What the hell? :P :P :P :P
hey chad,i've never said you are an idiot ;)
I know ;),not directly (or even aimed at me in any way) ;)
But you make fun of poppers,lockers and other members hates graffiti.
I used to pop (not lock),and can still do it. = I look like an idiot :P :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I´m a graffiti writer. = some members think this is vandalism,so I guess I´m a vandal :P :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
i love the graffiti and i was jokin about the poplockers,its just a fuckin weird dance to me.
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
i know; with the example with the previous post, i was just showing that if it's meant to be art and looks good then i can at least appreciate it to a certain extent.
that doesn't mean that i respect/support it(not saying that you said that i did, but i just want to make sure that there is no confusion) when people violate other people's rights.
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
Graffiti is a crime, as it should be. Graffiti artists should be thrown in jail. Learn to respect the next man's rights to freedom if you wish to maintain yours.
exactly its all associated with gang turf thats y taggin was there in the first place. civilians paint over it with their own risk, its like the mob extorting money u dont pay u die, the gangbangers see you paint over your shit depending on how crazy they r u gonna get it too. lol at being part of hiphop its part of gangbangin,
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
Graffiti is a crime, as it should be. Graffiti artists should be thrown in jail. Learn to respect the next man's rights to freedom if you wish to maintain yours.
exactly its all associated with gang turf thats y taggin was there in the first place. civilians paint over it with their own risk, its like the mob extorting money u dont pay u die, the gangbangers see you paint over your shit depending on how crazy they r u gonna get it too. lol at being part of hiphop its part of gangbangin,
lol @ you pretending to know anything about gangbangin or the history of graffitti
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
Graffiti is a crime, as it should be. Graffiti artists should be thrown in jail. Learn to respect the next man's rights to freedom if you wish to maintain yours.
exactly its all associated with gang turf thats y taggin was there in the first place. civilians paint over it with their own risk, its like the mob extorting money u dont pay u die, the gangbangers see you paint over your shit depending on how crazy they r u gonna get it too. lol at being part of hiphop its part of gangbangin,
lol @ you pretending to know anything about gangbangin or the history of graffitti
homie i juz lol at you all the time. yea i dont know about gangbanging, i dont have a degree in the history of gangbangin or graffitti, lol shut the fuck up before u make ur self more ignorant.
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
Graffiti is a crime, as it should be. Graffiti artists should be thrown in jail. Learn to respect the next man's rights to freedom if you wish to maintain yours.
exactly its all associated with gang turf thats y taggin was there in the first place. civilians paint over it with their own risk, its like the mob extorting money u dont pay u die, the gangbangers see you paint over your shit depending on how crazy they r u gonna get it too. lol at being part of hiphop its part of gangbangin,
lol @ you pretending to know anything about gangbangin or the history of graffitti
homie i juz lol at you all the time. yea i dont know about gangbanging, i dont have a degree in the history of gangbangin or graffitti, lol shut the fuck up before u make ur self more ignorant.
yo ahn young whats good..........dont worry about that clown ass nigga......... he has no life
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Graffiti was cool.....when I was 14.
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That's the basic principle. You do whatever you want to do to your home (as long as it's yours) - paint the walls in blood if you care, but what you don't do is violating someone else's property rights. That's the first rule of the judgement system in a free society. Wouldn't you feel like your rights have been violated if some fucker sprayed paint all over your car at night? No matter how much he intended to make it a masterpiece - that's still your car.
Graffiti is a crime, as it should be. Graffiti artists should be thrown in jail. Learn to respect the next man's rights to freedom if you wish to maintain yours.
exactly its all associated with gang turf thats y taggin was there in the first place. civilians paint over it with their own risk, its like the mob extorting money u dont pay u die, the gangbangers see you paint over your shit depending on how crazy they r u gonna get it too. lol at being part of hiphop its part of gangbangin,
lol @ you pretending to know anything about gangbangin or the history of graffitti
homie i juz lol at you all the time. yea i dont know about gangbanging, i dont have a degree in the history of gangbangin or graffitti, lol shut the fuck up before u make ur self more ignorant.
yo ahn young whats good..........dont worry about that clown ass nigga......... he has no life
wassap, juz chilin. yea i figured that out i juz wanted to make feel stupid.
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Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,I´m a vandal and now also I´m a gangbanger. :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lmao
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Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,I´m a vandal and now also I´m a gangbanger. :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lol im saying taggin came from gangbanging, and the fact that people get killed over it, thats y its considered illegal because kids lose lives whether their juz taggin for fun, crossin out sum1's name , or ur just an artisit. for example mutha fuckas still mad dogg you as if they gonna jump out the car when ur doin community service and cleanin up all the taggin and sometimes they do. thats y its still illegal because violence surrounds it in general.
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Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,I´m a vandal and now also I´m a gangbanger. :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lol im saying taggin came from gangbanging, and the fact that people get killed over it, thats y its considered illegal because kids lose lives whether their juz taggin for fun, crossin out sum1's name , or ur just an artisit. for example mutha fuckas still mad dogg you as if they gonna jump out the car when ur doin community service and cleanin up all the taggin and sometimes they do. thats y its still illegal because violence surrounds it in general.
log off and get back to "the streets"
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Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,I´m a vandal and now also I´m a gangbanger. :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lol im saying taggin came from gangbanging, and the fact that people get killed over it, thats y its considered illegal because kids lose lives whether their juz taggin for fun, crossin out sum1's name , or ur just an artisit. for example mutha fuckas still mad dogg you as if they gonna jump out the car when ur doin community service and cleanin up all the taggin and sometimes they do. thats y its still illegal because violence surrounds it in general.
log off and get back to "the streets"
lol, u really have no say, u didnt grow up here u ignorant fuck.
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Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,I´m a vandal and now also I´m a gangbanger. :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lol im saying taggin came from gangbanging, and the fact that people get killed over it, thats y its considered illegal because kids lose lives whether their juz taggin for fun, crossin out sum1's name , or ur just an artisit. for example mutha fuckas still mad dogg you as if they gonna jump out the car when ur doin community service and cleanin up all the taggin and sometimes they do. thats y its still illegal because violence surrounds it in general.
log off and get back to "the streets"
this euro faggit doesnt seem to know im juz explainin shit for fuckers like you. if u dont like it or think its a joke, come down here, shit u can go to to suburbs and tag your ass will still get stabbed.
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Go to San Fernando and I'll show you why that shit is illegal. Shit is just plain ugly and leads to unnecessary violence when a store owner, who pays taxes and rent to operate his business, gets murdered for painting over the ugly shit that is scaring away his customers. Fuck that shit.
I thought this thread was about graf art not tagging. tagging is bullshit.
same thing homies... taggin is the generalize version of graf art, murals, whatever, u write in the wrong hood thats the last thing u gonna do.
No, its not the same thing. Tagging and graf are two completely separate "movements."
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I just wanted to come by and say "Hello" once more. So here it goes:
Hello! :wavey:
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So now I´m a idiot and a vandal :P :P :P :P :P
What the hell? :P :P :P :P
hey chad,i've never said you are an idiot ;)
I know ;),not directly (or even aimed at me in any way) ;)
But you make fun of poppers,lockers and other members hates graffiti.
I used to pop (not lock),and can still do it. = I look like an idiot :P :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I´m a graffiti writer. = some members think this is vandalism,so I guess I´m a vandal :P :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,
I´m a vandal
and now I´m also a gangbanger :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Graffiti was cool.....when I was 14.
...what now?
I´m unmature too :P :P :P :-X :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lol im saying taggin came from gangbanging, and the fact that people get killed over it, thats y its considered illegal because kids lose lives whether their juz taggin for fun, crossin out sum1's name , or ur just an artisit. for example mutha fuckas still mad dogg you as if they gonna jump out the car when ur doin community service and cleanin up all the taggin and sometimes they do. thats y its still illegal because violence surrounds it in general.
log off and get back to "the streets"
^^^^seriously ^^^ ;)
Don´t speak on shit you clearly HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!!!!!!!!
I´ve been painting close to 25 years now :o :o :o,
sure alot of crazy shit has gone down troughout the years.
But gangbangin? :P :P :P :-X :-X :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
same thing homies... taggin is the generalize version of graf art, murals, whatever, u write in the wrong hood thats the last thing u gonna do.
No, its not the same thing. Tagging and graf are two completely separate "movements."
^^^^seriously ^^^ ;)
Don´t speak on shit you clearly HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!!!!!!!!
im no writer, but chad if i asked u if u taggd would say no? woudlnt u think im askin u if u did some kind of graffiti. im juz sayin its illegal more cuz young kids get killed over it not cuz taggers gang bang or these days, their do they own thing rather if they tag bang, or their jus artists. still it doesnt mean they dont get harrassed because their not in a gang.
lol at es-jay deleting his other post he must of known he sounded like a complete idiot. lol at saying gang tags r whack. o yea juz because their gangsters they have no talent -.-. stop talking in this thread u dumbass
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im a motha fuckin G 8) 8)
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btw... I want to recommend that anybody who is interested in graffiti and how it relates to hiphop and it's history you might enjoy the 1982 documentary called Style Wars. You can buy it at www.amazon.com and it is excellent because it was done in 1982 and really shows hip-hop as it was being developed through the 4 elements of graffiti, breakin, DJin and rappin... back then graffiti was like the biggest of the four elements and the DVD is about graph writing yet you see how hiphop is intertwined in their language and culture. A lot of the phrases and word you hear in hiphop were being coined in those times. Like for example, gangsta rappers say that a dude got "crossed out" meaning that he is out the gang... this came from grafitti writin how they would cross out each others names from rival crews. Its really ill yall will love it.
And I don't know what graffiti writing is about now, but atleast back then the documentafry mentions no ties of gang related activity with graffiti writing... in that the graph artists even complain in the documentary that "why do the police chase after us, all we do is make art, why don't they chase after the people who are out there robbin and killin".
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So now I´m a idiot and a vandal :P :P :P :P :P
What the hell? :P :P :P :P
hey chad,i've never said you are an idiot ;)
I know ;),not directly (or even aimed at me in any way) ;)
But you make fun of poppers,lockers and other members hates graffiti.
I used to pop (not lock),and can still do it. = I look like an idiot :P :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I´m a graffiti writer. = some members think this is vandalism,so I guess I´m a vandal :P :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well,well....
First I look like an idiot,
I´m a vandal
and now I´m also a gangbanger :-X :P
Great! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :P :P :P :P :P :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Graffiti was cool.....when I was 14.
...what now?
I´m unmature too :P :P :P :-X :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
lol im saying taggin came from gangbanging, and the fact that people get killed over it, thats y its considered illegal because kids lose lives whether their juz taggin for fun, crossin out sum1's name , or ur just an artisit. for example mutha fuckas still mad dogg you as if they gonna jump out the car when ur doin community service and cleanin up all the taggin and sometimes they do. thats y its still illegal because violence surrounds it in general.
log off and get back to "the streets"
^^^^seriously ^^^ ;)
Don´t speak on shit you clearly HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!!!!!!!!
I´ve been painting close to 25 years now :o :o :o,
sure alot of crazy shit has gone down troughout the years.
But gangbangin? :P :P :P :-X :-X :-X :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
same thing homies... taggin is the generalize version of graf art, murals, whatever, u write in the wrong hood thats the last thing u gonna do.
No, its not the same thing. Tagging and graf are two completely separate "movements."
^^^^seriously ^^^ ;)
Don´t speak on shit you clearly HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!!!!!!!!
lol at es-jay deleting his other post he must of known he sounded like a complete idiot.
lol at saying gang tags r whack. o yea juz because their gangsters they have no talent -.-. stop talking in this thread u dumbass
First off Es-Jay deleted his post because he tought I "attacked" him.
While I actually supported his statements,the mistake is solved... so no harm done.
You´re mixing up cholo writing with (Hip Hop) graffiti,I wont bother explaining all this for you. :P
Do some research yourself. :-X :P :-\ ;)
btw... I want to recommend that anybody who is interested in graffiti and how it relates to hiphop and it's history you might enjoy the 1982 documentary called Style Wars.
Style Wars (1983)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X0W06SR8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
You can buy it from;
http://www.amazon.com/Style-Wars-Sam-Schacht/dp/B000A7DVZO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1207798651&sr=1-1
and it is excellent because it was done in 1982 and really shows hip-hop as it was being developed through the 4 elements of graffiti, breakin, DJin and rappin... back then graffiti was like the biggest of the four elements and the DVD is about graph writing yet you see how hiphop is intertwined in their language and culture. A lot of the phrases and word you hear in hiphop were being coined in those times. Like for example, gangsta rappers say that a dude got "crossed out" meaning that he is out the gang...
this came from grafitti writin how they would cross out each others names from rival crews. Its really ill yall will love it.
^^^ My all time favorite documentary,you will find the OST in the HUS ;) ^^^
And I don't know what graffiti writing is about now, but atleast back then the documentafry mentions no ties of gang related activity with graffiti writing...
in that the graph artists even complain in the documentary that
"why do the police chase after us, all we do is make art, why don't they chase after the people who are out there robbin and killin".
Well,there´s alot of graffiti documentaries.
But for the sake of the thread,since people mix up cholo writing with (hip hop) graffiti.
I´ll recomend a documentary about the LA graffiti scene;
Graffiti Verite: Read the writing on the wall (1995)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517ACA3RA3L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
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http://www.amazon.com/Graffiti-Verite-Read-writing-wall/dp/B0007RDR7O/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1207798260&sr=8-1
Editorial Reviews
Review
BOB BRYAN: Cultural Programmer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"You have to understand something: Los Angeles, CA is Hollywood.
We create software - programming - that programs people all over the world. Cultures are changed by what we create here."
So says Bob Bryan, creator of 1995's Graffiti Verite' documentary on L.A.'s graffiti art.
Bryan (who owns his own video production company and is a longtime Hollywood filmmaker/producer) should know.
His stripped-down approach to the diversity of politics, age, class and philosophy within the "La-La" writing scene has won him countless awards and acclaim the world over.
Bryan got the idea for doing the documentary on graffiti art after meeting artist
TOONZ one night in a Hollywood alley while the artist was working on a canvas for an opera.
Shocked at what seemed to be an odd combination of ideas ("graffiti," "canvas", and "opera", Bryan began asking questions. "
What I found out was that truly these were artists and that the mediums they work on far exceeded the stereotypes.
I found that they weren't criminals, vandals, or gangsters, but artists who had something to say.
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They had an art history and an aesthetic that I knew nothing about, and I thought that if I knew nothing about it,
then there had to be a large number of people who knew nothing about it.
I thought that it was valid in terms of what they were saying. "So began the process of documenting the culture."
My intentions were to counter the programming that was put down by traditional, conventional media sources which basically,
for some reason, wanted to show graffiti art in a negative sense; and I realized it was very positive.
I wanted that story to be told... I've always said that the graffiti art movement was like a movement with a bad publicist.
If we look towards the media's image of graffiti we would think of graffiti artists only in a negative sense;
TV depicts writers negatively and print depicts writers negatively.
Therefore, the audience or public perceives graff artist negatively because they get their information from the media.
Once people see... (Graffiti Verite') they invariably turn their view around.
It's just a lack of education-they're not educated as to what's really going on with the graffiti aesthetic.
They haven't been exposed to the positive nature of it. They have been programmed by negative programming.
Verite' means truth and - for me - the only way to get the truth out would be through the writers."
To that end, Bryan deliberately withheld the opportunity to give the haters equal air time.
"That point of view is already out there - strong.
What would create balance in software-in terms of programming-would be the graffiti artists' point of view.
I definitely structured (the video) in a way that would change people to understand that it isn't about this commune idea-this
"group think", it's about independent artists."
- TEMPTONE Writer BIG TIME MAGAZINE --BigTime Magazine
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Format: DVD MOVIE
well...prejudice and racism has advanced from what we read about in our history books...demographic cancelation is the best form of prejudice today..for example..a lot of sperm banks only except donors with a college degree..demographically speaking...latinos and african americans have a low college attendance rate....lol....street art is most popular among african americans and latinos alike...anything to keep our cultures on the back burner
Well this was another twist to it,I see your point. But you might catch some heat for it ;)
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They give a $300 award to anybody with any information on who did any graffiti at our school.
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It's still considered illegal because all these punks that go around tagging up walls and garages and shit...........
That is not the art form of graffiti
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They give a $300 award to anybody with any information on who did any graffiti at our school.
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LMAO!!!!!
damn, i was wonderin how you was buying all them new kicks and takin trips and shit :laugh:
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well...prejudice and racism has advanced from what we read about in our history books...demographic cancelation is the best form of prejudice today..for example..a lot of sperm banks only except donors with a college degree..demographically speaking...latinos and african americans have a low college attendance rate....lol....street art is most popular among african americans and latinos alike...anything to keep our cultures on the back burner
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I LOVE HEAT..ITS THE ONLY INDICATION THAT YOUR ON THE RIGHT PATH!!!!!!!!!
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well...prejudice and racism has advanced from what we read about in our history books...demographic cancelation is the best form of prejudice today..for example..a lot of sperm banks only except donors with a college degree..demographically speaking...latinos and african americans have a low college attendance rate....lol....street art is most popular among african americans and latinos alike...anything to keep our cultures on the back burner
Yeah, it's all culture. If raping and slaying is simply part of someone's culture, damn all those assholes who try to keep that culture on the back burner.
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in some since..rape and slaying IS a part of culture..a part that people dont agree on BUT still is aprt....history has taught us that
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I simply disagree with that "it's in my culture, so let me do it please, if not you're racist!!!!!" type of thinking. Like, everything has to be tolerated because it's just "another aspect of a different culture"... and all cultures have to be equal, right? If something is wrong, it's wrong, period. I have no true problem with graffity, in fact I like good graffity. So it's not even about that.
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i didnt say your culture..i said its within a culture of its self...culutres dont have to be right ny your views...weather its wrong or not.its still a culture of its own..it is its own genre....
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and?
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Let me throw you a life line, Lano. Cultures don't exist as such. Culture is nothing more than that which individuals have in common with the other people of the groups they belong to; whether it be the patterns of their behavior and thinking, or the symbols they use (such as language or fashion). Cultures don't exist as an overruling "bigger scheme of things"; the bigger scheme is only a simplification of the sum of the individuals, resulting in a general pattern. That's all that culture is: a simplified pattern. It is not the rules that define a society. It is not something that forces people to behave in a certain way. That's also why it's amoral to justify anything for the sake of culture.
Raping and slaying are not culturally determined. They may occur more commonly among certain people in certain situations who are more frequently exposed to certain types of behaviour and thus grow accustomed to such excesses. Yet at the end of the day, culture is a process of individuals and their interactions. Their actions can't be morally justified through some sense of culture - everyone lives in the same world as the rest of the human race. The same rules for survival and optimized human interaction apply anywhere, whether people admit this or not.
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because it defaces propery.
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because it defaces propery.
alot of cities wont allow graffiti period...even if you own a building and decided to use graffiti as a logo
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because it defaces propery.
alot of cities wont allow graffiti period...even if you own a building and decided to use graffiti as a logo
???? what county is that???
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because it defaces propery.
alot of cities wont allow graffiti period...even if you own a building and decided to use graffiti as a logo
???? what county is that???
Russia, the People's Republic of China, the "Democratic" People's Republic of North Korea, Iran... Could be any place.
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I hate seing ugly ass tags.. But i love seing a nice peece put up.. The Pavillion in venace aint got shit like it used to back in the days. But they allow/have some nice ones at McCarther park in Long Beach.. At the rec center over there. i think it should be illegal to put up ugly Tags/graffiti but legal if you come nice with it
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I hate seing ugly ass tags.. But i love seing a nice peece put up.. The Pavillion in venace aint got shit like it used to back in the days. But they allow/have some nice ones at McCarther park in Long Beach.. At the rec center over there. i think it should be illegal to put up ugly Tags/graffiti but legal if you come nice with it
So there's to be some special court to judge the artistic greatness of a piece of vandalism?
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I hate seing ugly ass tags.. But i love seing a nice peece put up.. The Pavillion in venace aint got shit like it used to back in the days. But they allow/have some nice ones at McCarther park in Long Beach.. At the rec center over there. i think it should be illegal to put up ugly Tags/graffiti but legal if you come nice with it
So there's to be some special court to judge the artistic greatness of a piece of vandalism?
lol.
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because it defaces propery.
alot of cities wont allow graffiti period...even if you own a building and decided to use graffiti as a logo
???? what county is that???
u live in cali....
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I hate seing ugly ass tags.. But i love seing a nice peece put up.. The Pavillion in venace aint got shit like it used to back in the days. But they allow/have some nice ones at McCarther park in Long Beach.. At the rec center over there. i think it should be illegal to put up ugly Tags/graffiti but legal if you come nice with it
So there's to be some special court to judge the artistic greatness of a piece of vandalism?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;D ;D