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Title: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: morbidenigma on May 13, 2008, 02:12:48 PM
for real

I would say Islam is a way of life.. if your muslim u have to be it in ur actions and everything u say.. most ppl that pray assume there fulfilling there obligations as a muslim, when in fact praying takes up a very small amount of time. 30-40 minuts out of 24 hours, doesnt even make 5 percent of the day, yet these ppl most of the time are complete arrogant pricks...

nmany times these so called ppl that pray 5 times a day, do many concious pre-meditated sins, yet funnily enuff they think they have the right to preach...

opinions..
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Turf Hitta on May 13, 2008, 02:24:35 PM
so you're saying they're just like Christians?
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: morbidenigma on May 13, 2008, 02:27:08 PM
maybe.. im nt too sure what most practising christians are like.. ive met only a  handful.. i have met a couple of guys who go to church and pray, but they do it knowing they will optionally sin in the future... seems to slightly contradict the objective of pray or asking for forgiveness
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Turf Hitta on May 13, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
wow,  you've only met a few Christians? Where do you live?
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: morbidenigma on May 13, 2008, 02:48:53 PM
i live in London.. over 90 percent of heads here dont give a fuck about religion or christianity.. the churches here are practically empty..
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: 7even on May 13, 2008, 03:00:19 PM
Of course.. I see those turkish fuckers who are always about fronting and shit, yet they think they some cool muslims for "not eating swine"... they can suck a dick
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Mackin on May 13, 2008, 03:59:11 PM
Well Xtianity, IMHo is different from what is it being perceived as today.

Please note that there are denomintations in xtianity that advocate practices, rituals ceremonies, ect all these things make up with is now known as 'Religion'. Xtinaity is far from that IMHo!
Its about one's walk with God. Letting God into your life, and letting Him Guide You through life!

Going to church is Cool!!
Meeting/fellowshipping/encouraging One another in their work with the God is truly beautiful, but one can also do that at Home or any where, it does not have to be a church.  Remember home churches were how the Christian faith began and remained for over three hundred years.

Unfortunately there are those who preach the word and do the exact opposite, it happens, we are humans...
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: virtuoso on May 13, 2008, 04:26:40 PM

Muslims christians and jews basically believe the same thing, there is no actual reason for them to fighting but instead the religions have been hijacked by groups who steered the message towards a certain agenda.

For example the christianity teaches that if the government follows the rule of law, then they are of the lord however when a government engages in criminality, then they are working against the lord. However Pastor Hagee is preaching to millions of naive and dumb christian americans that you should not question the government for they are of the lord, that is just one example of twisting a message.

Here is another, the quaran says that only allah can judge the disbelievers on the day of judgement and so any muslim taking the life of a disbeliever for the reason of being a disbeliever, will be severely punished by Allah. Of course on the other side of the coin, you do have wahabi fundamentalists teaching their following that Allah said kill the disbelievers, taking out of context what it actually meant, that was in reference to the war that was being waged between them and the meccans.

However all by being said, the quaran recognises that these religions are essentially the same which is why it says those christians and jews who have followed the word of god are welcome into the pearly gates to.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Mackin on May 13, 2008, 04:38:51 PM

However all by being said, the quaran recognises that these religions are essentially the same which is why it says those christians and jews who have followed the word of god are welcome into the pearly gates to.

..Only If they 'People of the Book' Accept Islam, will they be welcome,if they hold onto the Thieu Faith, they will not be welcomed.



For example the christianity teaches that if the government follows the rule of law, then they are of the lord however when a government engages in criminality, then they are working against the lord. However Pastor Hagee is preaching to millions of naive and dumb christian americans that you should not question the government for they are of the lord, that is just one example of twisting a message.

Pastor Hagee, haha..
Yeah he has said a few things of late that i have found to be pretty OTT..
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: wilz on May 14, 2008, 02:02:19 AM
When one man suffers a delusion he is called insane. When many people suffer a delusion it is called Religion
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 14, 2008, 02:22:05 AM

Muslims christians and jews basically believe the same thing, there is no actual reason for them to fighting but instead the religions have been hijacked by groups who steered the message towards a certain agenda.

For example the christianity teaches that if the government follows the rule of law, then they are of the lord however when a government engages in criminality, then they are working against the lord. However Pastor Hagee is preaching to millions of naive and dumb christian americans that you should not question the government for they are of the lord, that is just one example of twisting a message.

Here is another, the quaran says that only allah can judge the disbelievers on the day of judgement and so any muslim taking the life of a disbeliever for the reason of being a disbeliever, will be severely punished by Allah. Of course on the other side of the coin, you do have wahabi fundamentalists teaching their following that Allah said kill the disbelievers, taking out of context what it actually meant, that was in reference to the war that was being waged between them and the meccans.

However all by being said, the quaran recognises that these religions are essentially the same which is why it says those christians and jews who have followed the word of god are welcome into the pearly gates to.

Good work.. Virtuoso, sounds like you've been doing some research, you are starting to sound like a Muslim.  Are you?
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 14, 2008, 02:24:42 AM
for real

I would say Islam is a way of life.. if your muslim u have to be it in ur actions and everything u say.. most ppl that pray assume there fulfilling there obligations as a muslim, when in fact praying takes up a very small amount of time. 30-40 minuts out of 24 hours, doesnt even make 5 percent of the day, yet these ppl most of the time are complete arrogant pricks...

nmany times these so called ppl that pray 5 times a day, do many concious pre-meditated sins, yet funnily enuff they think they have the right to preach...

opinions..

Assalamualaikum...

Like you said, Islam is a way of life.  Islam means submission to the Creator.  So it is a constant state of the creation to be in this submission, and a Muslim tries to recognize, respect, and be grateful for that throughout their day.

I respect how you feel brother, I used to see it that way totally, but now I kind of understand that Islam means many things to many people, and for some, being Muslim is part of their identity, they identify with Muslims, and relate well to Muslims, and being Muslim, however, they don't necessarily make a great effort to practice it as a way of life.  But even if they don't, I think it still has value in serving as part of a person's history, tradition and identity.

Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: virtuoso on May 14, 2008, 05:00:05 AM

Nah I am not a muslim but I have read most of the quaran I need to finish it. Although if you must know I have a belief in god but follow no religious path, what do you call that? who knows but it doesn't fit snugly into a religious label lol.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 14, 2008, 07:11:11 AM

Nah I am not a muslim but I have read most of the quaran I need to finish it. Although if you must know I have a belief in god but follow no religious path, what do you call that? who knows but it doesn't fit snugly into a religious label lol.

Well... I'm still happy to hear you've been reading the Qu'ran.  I'd be interested to here your thoughts on it and on Islam, PM me anytime... peace
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: J Bananas on May 14, 2008, 04:10:11 PM
Religion is when unhappy/"uneducated" people write their own version of world history, and other people who are too lazy/ignorant to make their own observations and discoveries decide to follow along.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: virtuoso on May 15, 2008, 12:51:15 AM

If I wanted to attack athiests I could point out that most of the worlds most evil were not god fearing men and attacked religion because they saw themselves as being god!.

Lenin
Stalin
Marx

Just to name three so I think it's ignorant and uneducated of you to attack religion when athiesm has driven death and destruction to. I am not attacking athiests I am just pointing out that this idea that religion is to blame is absolute bullshit. Christianity has been hijacked by fake christians who are using the beliefs of christians and then twisting them in order to establish and manipulate to empower themselves.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: J Bananas on May 15, 2008, 08:16:06 AM
oh don't get me wrong i think atheists are full of shit too, anyone with "answers" is.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: virtuoso on May 15, 2008, 12:30:24 PM

Oh okay I understand what you are saying and can respect that point of view I interpreted your views as coming from an athiest.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: LooN3y on June 05, 2008, 08:33:57 PM
but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Autumns End on June 06, 2008, 12:09:23 AM
religion is beleiving in christ as your savior. i am religious and very non judgemental.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Narrator on June 06, 2008, 08:29:20 AM

If I wanted to attack athiests I could point out that most of the worlds most evil were not god fearing men and attacked religion because they saw themselves as being god!.

Lenin
Stalin
Marx

Just to name three so I think it's ignorant and uneducated of you to attack religion when athiesm has driven death and destruction to. I am not attacking athiests I am just pointing out that this idea that religion is to blame is absolute bullshit. Christianity has been hijacked by fake christians who are using the beliefs of christians and then twisting them in order to establish and manipulate to empower themselves.

Lumping communists and atheists together is a bit stupid for two reasons:

(1.) Communists are, frankly, atheist only superficially.  Marxism basically IS a religion in the sense that it revolves around dogma (namely, Das Kapital and any other works by Marx and Engels) and is every bit as irrational, unsubstantiated, and intolerant of freethought as most religions have always been. No matter how "scientific" Marx claimed his ideas were, the simple fact is that to adopt communism is to adopt a system of belief...the same thing anyone does when they join a particular religion. Stalin and Mao did not kill millions for atheism; they killed for the belief system of Marxism.

(2.) Only a small fraction of the world's atheists are communists, or have been communists, so to associate the communism's murderous legacy with atheism doesn't make sense. On the other hand, anyone who is Christian or Muslim is automatically associating themselves with the legacy of murder that are part of those religions' history, as well as the doctrine they espouse. The Catholic Church of today, for instance, claims descent from the medieval Roman Church that was responsible for millions of killings in the name of Jesus Christ, so anyone who is a practicing Catholic today automatically associates themselves with this bloody legacy.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Elevz on June 06, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
^^ That's the best post I've ever seen you make. Props.


but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?

I hope you're aware that atheists do not believe in dualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29)?
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: 7even on June 06, 2008, 10:15:49 AM
but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?

Soul? What soul? Fuck outta here. Your chink ass has about as much soul as that annoying ass dog of my friend that's barking at me even though I visit on a regular since he's born..

For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.

Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Narrator on June 06, 2008, 10:29:17 AM
but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?

I hope you're aware that atheists do not believe in dualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29)?

LOL, please remember that LooN3y once called Africa a "country", so you can't expect him to understand even this much.

As far as the mind-body problem goes, we have no idea what science will solve in the future. Personally (speaking as an atheist), I think it will eventually be solved - we'll figure out exactly how the mind works (since the brain itself is a physical machine) and develop a way to preserve it so that it can be restored later. Death as we know it will be voluntary after that.

Shit, consider this: What if "heaven" (as theists call it) will simply be our distant ancestors (thousands, or millions of years from now) finding a way to resurrect all of us who live now, in the present, so that we can live in a happier, more stable future than what we know now? It seems impossible to imagine such a thing happening, but remember, we can never know the limits of science. That's what makes it so wonderful.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Narrator on June 06, 2008, 10:35:38 AM
For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.

Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.

As a fellow atheist, I agree wholeheartedly. Personally, I think human beings would have far more respect for their fellow humans' lives if they didn't think that killing them would send them to a non-existent deity in a non-existent "heaven". Way too many Christians I meet always talk about how religion has been the "glue" holding civilization together and how they're afraid humanity would descend into chaos if nobody feared the consequences of their actions when they die. I say...what a bunch of fucking bullshit. Like you've said, it doesn't represent purity of heart, only purity of action. And the amount of blood in Christianity's history demonstrates just how superficial it all is. Actually, most of the humanitarian values that the modern religious right claims to represent are, frankly, a product of modern Western Enlightenment thinking...NOT theology.

And I'm also sick of hearing theists point to the crimes of the communists during the 20th century as proof that "atheism" is as dangerous as religion.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Elevz on June 06, 2008, 10:37:08 AM
Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble...

Well, from a Christian perspective, you're right. Christians should strive to possess as little nobility as possible, because every attempt to be moral, makes them superior to those who fail. And superiority, of course, is the worst state for a man to achieve. To think of experiencing self-esteem and joy - that's not what God had in mind for us, subpar humans! Best would be not to do anything at all - at least that way, we can't make the unhappy any more unhappy. That's the standard.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: LooN3y on June 06, 2008, 11:49:17 AM
but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?

Soul? What soul? Fuck outta here. Your chink ass has about as much soul as that annoying ass dog of my friend that's barking at me even though I visit on a regular since he's born..

For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.

Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.



your going to hell you white piece of shit.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Elevz on June 06, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?

Soul? What soul? Fuck outta here. Your chink ass has about as much soul as that annoying ass dog of my friend that's barking at me even though I visit on a regular since he's born..

For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.

Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.



your going to hell you white piece of shit.

And now, about the statements that have been made...?
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: LooN3y on June 06, 2008, 02:03:50 PM
but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?

Soul? What soul? Fuck outta here. Your chink ass has about as much soul as that annoying ass dog of my friend that's barking at me even though I visit on a regular since he's born..

For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.

Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.



your going to hell you white piece of shit.

And now, about the statements that have been made...?


when i was talking about soul, i was talking about the conscious. where does it go if not heaven or hell. or do you guys think it juz dies with your body.  i was reading about dualism and it was kinda hard to interpet, if u can, can u explain it better eleven?


i wasnt talking about if their good or not. but where does your mind go after u die, or do you believe ^
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Narrator on June 06, 2008, 06:22:37 PM
when i was talking about soul, i was talking about the conscious. where does it go if not heaven or hell. or do you guys think it juz dies with your body.  i was reading about dualism and it was kinda hard to interpet, if u can, can u explain it better eleven?


i wasnt talking about if their good or not. but where does your mind go after u die, or do you believe ^

Yeah, your mind dies with your body. Why is that so hard to figure out?

That is why religion can and should be abandoned...as long as people believe there's a non-existent deity and a non-existent heaven, they won't be concerned with solving the mind-body problem.
Title: Re: Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Post by: Elevz on June 07, 2008, 03:59:58 AM
when i was talking about soul, i was talking about the conscious. where does it go if not heaven or hell. or do you guys think it juz dies with your body.  i was reading about dualism and it was kinda hard to interpet, if u can, can u explain it better eleven?


i wasnt talking about if their good or not. but where does your mind go after u die, or do you believe ^

Atheists don't believe in the existence of a 'soul;' what you call your soul or your mind is nothing more than a chemical process inside your brain which was put together so well that your physical being (your body, and everything about it) can experience sensations and think. That's why humans have a wonderful genetic formula: they are like that by their very nature. Your capacity to think, feel and experience is simply within your body. If the brain dies (which is what obviously happens when you die), that's the end of its functioning like that. It simply ceases to work. It's like a motor running out of fuel: the physical stuff is still there, but it's out of function. It does nothing anymore. What you call the human soul remains inside the brain, but it's empty without its living function, just as the muscles of a dead man don't do anything anymore.

You can go way deep into the subject of dualism and the mind-body issue, but to explain it in short: dualists like Descartes believe that the mind is something outside of the physical world, which operates in the physical world by controlling the body through the brain. So the mind, from a spiritual sphere, pulls the strings of the brain, which in turn controls the body. In other words, dualists believe that there are two sorts of worlds: a spiritual and a material/physical world. The mind/spirit isn't actually a part of the body, but it does connect with it.
Basically, dualists say that there's a world beyond ours that we can not rationally know about, yet somehow they do know about the existence of such a world. It's a world that's impossible to see, feel, hear, taste or smell, but somehow some way they know that it exists (even though that's perfectly impossible, because everything you know, you know only because you see/feel/hear/taste/smell it).