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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Javier on September 22, 2002, 06:19:37 PM
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Hip-Hop is now Hip Pop
We are in the year 2002 and we are experiencing a new wave of hip-hop. The new wave of hip-hop is a joke with rappers like Cam’Ron and his boyfriend Juelz Santana, Ludacris, and finally Mr. Pop himself NELLY. I only named a few rappers there are plenty more rappers than those that are just horrible. I am going to diminish their so-called lyrical skills on the mic because they should be put in place in this real hip hop world.
Cam’Ron and his boyfriend Juelz Santana rap about how many “bitches” they fuck and how “bitches” are on their jock and they also rap about how much money they have. Juelz Santana wrote a line that goes like this “Ma, What's your age and type? She looked at me and said use a baby right I told her, I'm 18 and live a crazy life Plus I'll tell you what the 80's like”, now I am no rocket scientist but what the hell does the 80s have to do with anything here? The rest of the verse reflects these few lines. And the rest of the song is how girls like to get fucked by them. Cam’Ron in “Oh boy” states “All the girls see the (Boy) look at his kicks (Boy) Look at his car (Boy) all they say is (Oh Boy)”. This line is saying how girls like his rich objects that he bought thanks to his fans. It is cool to have party music, songs for the club, or pop music but they should not categorize it as hip-hop like this.
Ludacris is lyrically talented but he uses his talent and throws it all away with his party songs. Correct me if I am wrong but “Move Bitch” is similar to “ Drop ‘bows on ‘em”. It is the same type of song but different lyrics and a different type of beat. People that think the Ludacris songs are cool but dislike rappers like Nas, Public Enemy, and other real hip-hop artist are not even hip-hop fans. Club songs are ruling the radio stations, the T.V, and homes around the world. Now the situation with Nelly is just absurd and plain out dumb. He is the worse rapper of all time. He completely does not value what hip-hop truly means.
It is a shame how this new wave of hip-hop is calling hip-hop. They are saying this is a golden age for hip-hop but it is bullshit. It is destroying it. It is changing what hip-hop started out to be. 2pac, Nas, Public Enemy, Rakim, the Roots, Dead Prez, and Dilated Peoples political views on the world are going to be extinct thanks to the new rappers are digging a grave for hip-hop and opening the door to pop.
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Word up homie, these new cats giving a bad name to hip hop, I mean i aint a hater, i respect all music generes even if i dont dig em, they can do their thing, but shouldnt claim hip hop. I mean, hip hop is flowing poetry, str8 lyrics with meaning, thats wht makes it diffrent, but they spittin senseless shallow shit. They on tha airwaves, so thats the impression people get of hip hop..pz
-{bLaDe}
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Hip Hop started out as party music. I agree that the situation is completely getting out of hand though. It seems everyone has to make a club banger on their record. Only a handful of M.C.'s are getting radio-play without talking about bitches, money and clubbin' like Scarface, OutKast, Nas, Eminem and to an extent Jay-Z. That was hardly the case in the early 90's.
Luda is ill though. I can't see him doing anything else but fun tracks. Imagine a serious Ludacris LOL!, although his verse on "Growing Pains" was tight as fuck.
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yea i agree, but u cant take away from all the real hip hop rappers such as eminem, xibit and so on....
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yall forgetting the biggest hip-poper of them all... or atleast one of the biggest... eminem
(getting ready to recieve the hate-replies)
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Man, hip hop lost so much of its edge and appeal to me in the past couple of years. It's like a flood of pop muthafuckaz just took over.
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one thing that cracks me up is when J-Lo wins the MTV hiphop award, and when Ja rule calls Ashanti the princess of hiphop!!!! :o
i mean..... how the fuck is j-Lo and ashanti hiphop?? lol..... its a joke..... and ja rule?? he only sings on all his records..... he aint hiphop either.... >:(
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Plus, real R&B fans dont even consider J. LO a singer to that type of music. J. LO is the same as Britney spears but with "hip hop" flava. and Ashanti is the same thing. I bet you anything that if Ashanti was on American Idol, she will not even make the top 10. They will tell her, shes a horrible singer. People that rate all kinds of music see hip hop as a joke. It's a joke Thanx to people that dont know how to sing , and thanx to weak rappers.
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Your just talking about commercially successful hip-hop, mainstream hip-hop. Hip-hop is SOOOOO much bigger than what gets played on MTV and on the radio, you just have to be willing to look for it. Alot of underground rappers are dope too (I mean REALLY underground), then you have groups like J5, Dilated Peoples, Gangstarr etc etc. All these commercial acts are giving hip-hop a bad name right now 'cos some people are too ignorant to realise that thats not all hip-hop has to offer, it's so much more than that. I know you all know this too.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1032754777;start=0#8 date=09/23/02 at 07:58:03]Your just talking about commercially successful hip-hop, mainstream hip-hop. Hip-hop is SOOOOO much bigger than what gets played on MTV and on the radio, you just have to be willing to look for it. Alot of underground rappers are dope too (I mean REALLY underground), then you have groups like J5, Dilated Peoples, Gangstarr etc etc. All these commercial acts are giving hip-hop a bad name right now 'cos some people are too ignorant to realise that thats not all hip-hop has to offer, it's so much more than that. I know you all know this too.
Word. There's heaps of dope underground shit. Fuck the mainstream.
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I can't wait until everyone gets sick of mainstream hip pop and it just dies as a whole. So that the real muthafuckaz can take their spots. This shit is just a trend anyways, it will die in a few years.
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i see everyone hatin on killa but i bet half of you have never even heard his underground shit with coc.
as for ludacris...he was always weak.
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I see what you guys are saying, but you have to realize that when a new fan is listening to the radio or watchin BET OR MTV they see mainstream , and wheter you like it or not they represent hip hop. Only true fans know who the real hip hop artists are. And please stop saying back in da day he was tite , when he was ungerground. FUCK THAT already . we are in the present hes CURRENTLY making that type of music. It does not matter what he did 1 year ago, 2 years ago and so on. Its TODAY that we are worried about
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See the thing is that when Hip-Pop dies, so does Hip-Hop. Even KRS said there needs to be a balance between the two. Hip-Hop will faid eventually. It's hard to imagion, but eventually it will fad out, and only true hip-hop heads will listen. I do think though that real Hip-Hop will then emerge, and in shortly after Hip-Hop fads out, then real Hip-Hop will slowly climb up again.
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one thing that cracks me up is when J-Lo wins the MTV hiphop award, and when Ja rule calls Ashanti the princess of hiphop!!!! :o
i mean..... how the fuck is j-Lo and ashanti hiphop?? lol..... its a joke..... and ja rule?? he only sings on all his records..... he aint hiphop either.... >:(
yea really, thats exactly what i said when i was watchin it, i couldnt belive what the fuck i was seein
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Well i know ima get "hate replies" here but you guys seem to miss the truth here. Eminem is like one of the biggest "pop rappers". He can be serious but lets run down a list of his singles shall we...
My name is - poppy
Real Slim shady - poppy
Purple Pills - Popp'y
Without me - More poppy than seeds
Call me a "hater" (if you dumbasses even know what that is) but im tellin the truth here. Respect is due cause hes an above average (very good) lyrisict but face it, Hes mr MTV. Every award show hes there. Every first single is poppy as fuck so he can sell records. Why should he care about selling records if hes the "realest". Eminem is not a voice of the youth like you guys think. Maybe i shouldnt even press the post button cause this will cause people (jome, now-i-know) to call me a hater. JAE speaks the truth. Im not tryna bring emin'm down but the truth is he aint no real rapper. He is pop man. Face it. Hes not God.
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Hip-Hop is now Hip Pop
We are in the year 2002 and we are experiencing a new wave of hip-hop. The new wave of hip-hop is a joke with rappers like Cam’Ron and his boyfriend Juelz Santana, Ludacris, and finally Mr. Pop himself NELLY.
Boy-do you ever suck! LOL..what a cornball. Calling Juelz Cam's boyfriend? LOL-you know what they say about homophobes..theyre the ones that want dick. LOL..
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No dount Eminem is pop. I guess he's his own worst enemy lol. But at least he got mad skill and deserves respect from hip hop heads.
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I in no way regard Em as a 'pop' act, it's like he said before, he may make catchy tunes but he makes his own catchy tunes, and thats true because you don't see him following any trends, he doesn't get hot producers of the moment (like the Neptunes etc) producing hits for him, he does it all on his own account. I respect his music for that because it's all him, he does what he wants, when he wants, unlike pop acts that are manufactured and told what to say, wear, do etc, thats pop to me, Em is beyond that shit, everyone just calls him pop 'cos he gets alot of mainstream attention, if he still made the type of music he does today but didn't sell as much and was basically underground people wouldn't be labelling him pop and would still respect him as an MC.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1032754777;start=0#18 date=09/24/02 at 09:53:45]I in no way regard Em as a 'pop' act, it's like he said before, he may make catchy tunes but he makes his own catchy tunes, and thats true because you don't see him following any trends, he doesn't get hot producers of the moment (like the Neptunes etc) producing hits for him, he does it all on his own account. I respect his music for that because it's all him, he does what he wants, when he wants, unlike pop acts that are manufactured and told what to say, wear, do etc, thats pop to me, Em is beyond that shit, everyone just calls him pop 'cos he gets alot of mainstream attention, if he still made the type of music he does today but didn't sell as much and was basically underground people wouldn't be labelling him pop and would still respect him as an MC.
^^^^^^ I don't think Euthenasia has ever said one thing I've disagreed with. This muthafuckin stays on point like Allen Iverson!!!
*Allen Iverson is a point gaurd. Sorry, not the best metaphor*
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Im glad you guys like him for his skill and not his singles. Its just that every time a new eminem single comes out I wanna keep my computer off for a week cause this board is basicly flooded with everyones opinion on the song. Like someone said above "hes his own worst enemy". He got big for dissin pop stars and what is he now? I dont say stuff against him to hate on him. I just say it cause some people here need a reality check. Not everyone loves him. And not everyone thinks hes the greatist. And I seriously find some of his singles more annoying than some nsync songs.
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^^^^^^ I don't think Euthenasia has ever said one thing I've disagreed with. This muthafuckin stays on point like Allen Iverson!!!
*Allen Iverson is a point gaurd. Sorry, not the best metaphor*
could you have possibly come up with anything gayer than that? LMAO
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EM's last 2 lp's have been all about bitches...ImO
His Mom's His wifey, britney, Limp Bizkit, IcP, Nsync, Christina...ect
It's the same ole shitt to me, I'd rather hear about pussy & Liquer than about How stupid someone's mom's is....or how much of a whore his girfriend is, or how much of a banned individual he is...lol
Eminem is a good rhyme sayer, but nothin' special.
Just another cd in the stack at my pad, just telling u how I feel about Em.
I have all of his ish Including "Infinite" and it's just another stack of cd's to me. I won't point blind disses at mc's who I do not even own any of their (Ja..Nelly..Jigga..ect) records and bash them on all post's.
I own all the Em cd's and I can honestly tell you that he's just a plain rapper to me. nothin' more or nothin less, just another face we have to fucken watch on tv everyday cause of his Pop appeal.....it's just true it's not a diss.
What suck's is he has the potential to drop real ish....and he don't, or maybe it's cause I can't relate to his topics. :'(
So I come to my conclusion...IMO
Eminem= the new "KING OF POP".
Hatesrats 2oo2
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EM's last 2 lp's have been all about bitches...ImO
His Mom's His wifey, britney, Limp Bizkit, IcP, Nsync, Christina...ect
It's the same ole shitt to me, I'd rather hear about pussy & Liquer than about How stupid someone's mom's is....or how much of a whore his girfriend is, or how much of a banned individual he is...lol
Eminem is a good rhyme sayer, but nothin' special.
Just another cd in the stack at my pad, just telling u how I feel about Em.
I have all of his ish Including "Infinite" and it's just another stack of cd's to me. I won't point blind disses at mc's who I do not even own any of their (Ja..Nelly..Jigga..ect) records and bash them on all post's.
I own all the Em cd's and I can honestly tell you that he's just a plain rapper to me. nothin' more or nothin less, just another face we have to fucken watch on tv everyday cause of his Pop appeal....Face it.
What suck's is he has the potential to drop real ish....and he don't, or maybe it's cause I can't relate to his topics. :'(
So I come to my conclusion...IMO
Eminem= the new "KING OF POP".
Hatesrats 2oo2
eminem gets a lot deeper than some of tha guys this board dick rides but it aint worth gettin into. he spits about his life an what relates to him. if he rapped about bein a gangsta or a pimp ya'll would still call him a fake so its basically a lose lose situation for eminem. he is white so he is goin push mad units so u will hate on him for that. but tha board dont hate on dre for pushin 7 million wit 2001 tho. u all bitch about eminem bein at award shows, so is every other platinum rapper. no1 hates when snoop goes on trl. so no matter what its a lose lose situation for eminem
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Im not tryna bring emin'm down but the truth is he aint no real rapper.
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The truth is, you're really oxymoronic.
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...or maybe it's cause I can't relate to his topics.
::)That's probably why.
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eminem gets a lot deeper than some of tha guys this board dick rides but it aint worth gettin into. he spits about his life an what relates to him. if he rapped about bein a gangsta or a pimp ya'll would still call him a fake so its basically a lose lose situation for eminem. he is white so he is goin push mad units so u will hate on him for that. but tha board dont hate on dre for pushin 7 million wit 2001 tho. u all bitch about eminem bein at award shows, so is every other platinum rapper. no1 hates when snoop goes on trl. so no matter what its a lose lose situation for eminem
horrible examples. dre and snoop have as much dick riders as they have "haters".
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The truth is, you're really oxymoronic.
How is that. I said Im not trying to bring him down. And i said hes not a real rapper. Is he reading this? So how would I be bringing him down.
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horrible examples. dre and snoop have as much dick riders as they have "haters".
not on this board they dont, an whenever some1 has a gripe wit them they r labled a hater
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not on this board they dont, an whenever some1 has a gripe wit them they r labled a hater
Yeah thats why i put the " in between haters. I dont believe they're is such a thing as a "hater". Its bullshit if you ask me. But Im labeled as an eminem hater cause I dont like him.
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Yeah thats why i put the " in between haters. I dont believe they're is such a thing as a "hater". Its bullshit if you ask me. But Im labeled as an eminem hater cause I dont like him.
hey welcome to tha club. i came 2 this board as a snoop fan but when i had one little gripe wit snoop i was labled a hater, an i jus went wit it an now i cant stand snoop cuz of this board
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The truth is, you're really oxymoronic.
lol yea really, sayin EM is not a tru rapper is fuckin insane, but always got ta deal with tha haters.
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hey welcome to tha club. i came 2 this board as a snoop fan but when i had one little gripe wit snoop i was labled a hater, an i jus went wit it an now i cant stand snoop cuz of this board
It's okay. There's enough Snoop fans to go around. We don't need half ass fans anyway. Snoop, the West Coast Legend!!!!
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It's okay. There's enough Snoop fans to go around. We don't need half ass fans anyway. Snoop, the West Coast Legend!!!!
yo baba, please tell me how im a half assed fan. explain this 2 me
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JAE, the reason that I called you "oxymoronic" is because, first you said that Eminem's a "very good lyricist," but then you said that Eminem "ain't no real rapper."
JAE, if he's such a good lyricist, then how can you say that he's not a real rapper???
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JAE, the reason that I called you "oxymoronic" is because, first you said that Eminem's a "very good lyricist," but then you said that Eminem "ain't no real rapper."
JAE, if he's such a good lyricist, then how can you say that he's not a real rapper???
He can put words together well. He can flow well. He can rhyme well... But his topics? The things he raps about makes him less and less "real" in the hip hop world. Hes a pop star and thats why he isnt "real" anymore. If he wants his respect back he should try to stay out of the public and not promote his albums so much with shitty singles. Thats why.
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He can put words together well. He can flow well. He can rhyme well... But his topics? The things he raps about makes him less and less "real" in the hip hop world. Hes a pop star and thats why he isnt "real" anymore. If he wants his respect back he should try to stay out of the public and not promote his albums so much with shitty singles. Thats why.
So, you say that Eminem isn't a real rapper because of his topics? Okay, then what are some of these "topics" that bother you so much?
Also, you say that he isn't real because he's "a pop star"??? Some of the best hip hop artists of all time were pop stars!
And lastly, you say that Eminem should stay out of the public's eye if he wants respect? That's just plain ridiculous, man. There's not a whole lot wrong with putting out an occasional poppy single now and then to make money, as long as the majority of your music is good. If the single bothers you so much, then skip the track, (or change the channel, or whatever the case may be). According to your logic, you pretty much have to be underground to get respect.
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JAE, I'm curious, who are some of your favorite MCs, DJs, and producers?
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Guys, lets try and bring this shit on topic, lets not make this into an Eminem thread, ok ;)
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Also, you say that he isn't real because he's "a pop star"??? Some of the best hip hop artists of all time were pop stars!
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Hip hops best were pop stars? Oh please. You seem like more of an underground head so I cant believe youd say that. Please give me a list of "hip hops best".
So, you say that Eminem isn't a real rapper because of his topics? Okay, then what are some of these "topics" that bother you so much?
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None of them actully bother me but his topics are played out just like his singles. Lets run down a list shall we...
His Mom
His Whore of a girlfriend
Britney
Nsync
Moby
Pop stars...
The thing I dont like about him is that he disses pop stars but he is as much of one as Nsync is.
>= link=board=outbound;num=1032754777;start=20#38 date=09/26/02 at 09:14:21]Guys, lets try and bring this shit on topic, lets not make this into an Eminem thread, ok ;)
Yeah I agree. But the topic is pop so that brings eminem into it.
JAE, I'm curious, who are some of your favorite MCs, DJs, and producers?
DJ Quik, suga free, AMG, Hi-c, Playa Hamm, 2nd ii none, WC, Mausberg, Celly Cel, Spice 1, Too Short, Richie Rich.
Im not sayin these guys are the "realest" but none of them are pop and they are my fav artists.
And lastly, you say that Eminem should stay out of the public's eye if he wants respect? That's just plain ridiculous, man. There's not a whole lot wrong with putting out an occasional poppy single now and then to make money, as long as the majority of your music is good. If the single bothers you so much, then skip the track, (or change the channel, or whatever the case may be). According to your logic, you pretty much have to be underground to get respect.
Ill put it like this...
You do commercials
Promote a product that isnt yours
Make a single poppy on purpose to relate to MTV or the dumb kids that listen to only the chart toppers
Then You are pop.
Being pop isnt a good thing at all.