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Title: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 16, 2002, 12:40:52 AM
Yesterday I listened to both albums again. Ever since Illmatic I've been a Nas fan, but I gotta admit: The Blueprint is a much better album. The production is better and the lyrics fit perfectly with the beats. At least Nas takes home the award for best song (One Mic), but honestly speaking, I'm not looking forward to God's Son - I'm looking forward to The Gift & The Curse. Hereby I officially declare myself a Jay-Z (and Rocafella) fan. It took a decade but now it happened.

P.S. If it's true and Kanye West really produces some beats for Rakim..... whoaaaa
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Young Dan Iza on September 16, 2002, 07:23:41 AM
yeah blueprint is the better album, im still bumpin that shit man, i hardly ever listen 2 stillmatic anymore, it just doesnt have the same staying power
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Rick on September 16, 2002, 09:06:06 AM
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yeah blueprint is the better album, im still bumpin that shit man, i hardly ever listen 2 stillmatic anymore, it just doesnt have the same staying power

Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: HBKid_Jr on September 16, 2002, 09:12:28 AM
stillmatic
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 16, 2002, 09:17:53 AM
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stillmatic


the lost tapes is better than stillmatic. I can't get enough of U Gotta Love It & My Way
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on September 16, 2002, 10:22:35 AM
This is how I see it:

Production: The Blueprint (Basically the production made this album what it is, in other words thats the best part.)

Lyrics: Stillmatic

Content: Stillmatic

Rappers Overall Performance: Tie (I this is Nas' best performance since "Illmatic" and I think it was also Jay's best performance since "Reasonable Doubt".)

Longevity: Stillmatic (I havn't listened to "The Blueprint" since the month it dropped, but i've listened to "Stillmatic" pretty much every week since it leaked.)

Art Work: The Blueprint (I love the art work for this album, the blueprint sheets etc were a great idea.)

I gotta give props to Jay, he really showed that he can pull of a solid album nowadays, it's not on the same level as "Reasonable Doubt" but it's his best effort since, imo. I just think "Stillmatic" held strength in more important areas, like content, lyrics etc, therefore it is the better album to me.  


Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Cliche on September 16, 2002, 10:43:24 AM
The first half of Stillmatic shits on anything Jigga ever did.

I havent listened to a non-Unplugged Blueprint song since about December of last year so....


Nas by far.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: smartass on September 16, 2002, 10:56:50 AM
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The first half of Stillmatic shits on anything Jigga ever did.


thats possibly one of the dumbest comments i have ever heard on these boards considering reasonable doubt was better than every cd nas ever released minus illmatic...
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Jome on September 16, 2002, 05:05:41 PM
Blueprint is def. better than Stillmatic.

Stillmatic: Good solid album, many classics cuts, but with too much fillers, and some of the tracks sounds boring.
Sounds like too much like a advance to be classic.
4 of 5 mics

Blueprint: Very good album, but with a few fillers, and it's too short. Some classics cuts, and some very dope ones, but the 2-3 average/filler ones denies it's classic status.
4.5 of 5 mics
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 16, 2002, 09:34:46 PM
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Stillmatic: Good solid album, many classics cuts, but with too much fillers, and some of the tracks sounds boring.
Sounds like too much like a advance to be classic.
4 of 5 mics

Blueprint: Very good album, but with a few fillers, and it's too short. Some classics cuts, and some very dope ones, but the 2-3 average/filler ones denies it's classic status.
4.5 of 5 mics


exactly what I thought... Nas biggest problem: wackass beats. Ether is a damn good diss, but the beat makes it a bit....uhm....weird.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Hatesrats™ on September 16, 2002, 09:38:17 PM
(http://gs.cdnow.com/graphics/COVERART/local/L/99/39/00449939.jpg)
The Blueprint
This lp still has the same fresh sound as when it dropped to me, I haven't took it out of rotation since last year.
Jigga really dropped a gem for his fan's. I expspecialy feel the Girls, Girls, Girls (bonus) that was included at the end....whoa!!!

I take no sides in the beef's...cause Both Nas & Jigga are equal to me.
But Jigga just came with more intent on making an ablum with diversity with fun cut's/club banger's like....
"Izzo (H.O.V.A.)"
"Girls, Girls, Girls"
"Takeover"
"Hola' Hovito"
And some heartfelt ish like....
"Song Cry"
"All I Need"
"Blueprint (Momma Loves Me)"
Some filler ish such as....
"The Ruler's Back"
"Jigga That N***a"
And a collab wit' everyone's favorite...Eminem. "Renegade"
--------------------------------------------
In the end I belive ImO Jigga came out with the best work of his carrer since 96'.
And his nexx lp might surpass this one.
Plus the production was top knotch & sound's unlike anything before....kinda like "The Dynasty" fucked "Reasonable doubt" got it knocked-up and had a baby "Blueprint"....lol

OnE
Hatesrats 2oo2



Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: ImmortalOne on September 16, 2002, 09:57:28 PM
Stillmatic is easily the better album. Lyrically, there is no comparison, and content-wise, again no comparison. The only thing the Blueprint has is production, the beats are pretty hot. However, Stillmatic doesnt have bad production by any means, and I think the beats go with the lyrics very well. Also, I hardly ever play the Blueprint anymore, while I still play Stillmatic on occasion [havent heard it in awhile though].
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: King-Suge on September 17, 2002, 06:09:52 AM
The Blueprint is the better album.  Stillmatic, quite frankly, is Mediocrematic.  Every song on the Blueprint is hot..but w/ Mediocrematic I find myself hitting fast forward quite often.   Its also interesting how people who once claimed Mediocrematic was the best album ever, are FINALLY turning their backs on it and analyzing it as the so-so project it really is.  Illl give Nas credit for putting out something better than Nastradamus--but with Blueprint Jigga proved he is the KING of New York.  That's real talk..
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Cliche on September 17, 2002, 06:49:18 AM
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thats possibly one of the dumbest comments i have ever heard on these boards considering reasonable doubt was better than every cd nas ever released minus illmatic...



really, what exactly has Jigga ever done that's fucking with Stillmatic from the Intro through Destroy and Rebuild?  considering most people who call reasonable doubt a classic didn't hear it until it got re-released.  Jay is a talented MC, and he can churn out the club bangers, but he can't fade Nas if we're talking about straight hip-hop.  I'd take the first 9 stillmatic songs over any of Jigga's LPs... that way I wouldn't have to keep skipping his corny singles.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Shallow on September 18, 2002, 04:00:18 AM
Jay Z does not bring anything new to the Rap table. Nas is by far the better rapper, and fuck beats. 80% of HipHop is sampled, atleast 11 out of 15 songs are straight rips from old songs, Kanye West and Just Blaze just add simple drum beat over them and lopp the best parts. You must judge hip hop for the creative aspect of it, and that is the lyrical aspect. And in the lyrical aspect Jay Z has not EVER said anything that had not already been overdone. If you wanna listen to beats go by some 60s and 70s rock and RnB records, trust me the "music" is much better, the only significant sound HipHop has brought to music was scratching and they don't even use that too much anymore.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 18, 2002, 07:18:54 AM
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Jay Z does not bring anything new to the Rap table. Nas is by far the better rapper, and fuck beats. 80% of HipHop is sampled, atleast 11 out of 15 songs are straight rips from old songs, Kanye West and Just Blaze just add simple drum beat over them and lopp the best parts. You must judge hip hop for the creative aspect of it, and that is the lyrical aspect. And in the lyrical aspect Jay Z has not EVER said anything that had not already been overdone. If you wanna listen to beats go by some 60s and 70s rock and RnB records, trust me the "music" is much better, the only significant sound HipHop has brought to music was scratching and they don't even use that too much anymore.


lol.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Shallow on September 18, 2002, 09:55:30 AM
Why LOL?
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 18, 2002, 11:53:13 AM
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Jay Z does not bring anything new to the Rap table. Nas is by far the better rapper, and fuck beats. 80% of HipHop is sampled, atleast 11 out of 15 songs are straight rips from old songs, Kanye West and Just Blaze just add simple drum beat over them and lopp the best parts. You must judge hip hop for the creative aspect of it, and that is the lyrical aspect. And in the lyrical aspect Jay Z has not EVER said anything that had not already been overdone. If you wanna listen to beats go by some 60s and 70s rock and RnB records, trust me the "music" is much better, the only significant sound HipHop has brought to music was scratching and they don't even use that too much anymore.


- As if makin beats was no "creative process" .... I can't do a beat like "Song Cry" or " Ain't No Love". You gotta have to have that special feeling to combine a classic loop with the appropriate drum patterns.
- Jay-Z got charisma & flow. Sometimes it ain't about the lyrics, but the vibe. Dre is a better producer than Pete Rock but I prefer Pete. Why? Cuz of the vibe.
- I agree with you on Nas bein the better lyricist, but he lacks of charisma.
- HipHop brought back the drums
- Compared to Miles Davis soul is naive bullshit. Compared to Bach Miles Davis is a beginner.

HipHop is just a kind of music, nothin more, nothin less. I laughed at your comment cuz it reminded me of my former music teacher. He was like "Soul and all this black music have been done before - classic music is the shit".

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Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Shallow on September 19, 2002, 04:12:28 AM
I respect your opinion even though I disagree. I do believe hip hop is music, but unless more artist come up with new sounds, it should be a genre focused on lyrics rather than melodies. Don't sell yourself short, if you had a drum machine and a computer with the right program you could make "Song Cry". And What do you mean Hip Hop broght the drums back? Where did they go? Your average rock band drummer could easily humiliate any rap producer with a drum machine. In the end the more respected product is the one that comes from scratch, sampling is like making a collage using various parts of paintings from the renaissance period for a magazine cover. It could be a brilliant collage but it will never as regarded or as good as any of the individual paintings, why? because it is easier to build on to something than it is to create something new.

As far as the Nas's lack of charisma goes, that is subjective, personally I "feel" nas more than Jigga I don't know why I just do. Jay Z to me comes off as to egotistical and self-promotional, Nas is not innocent to all that but Jay does it on every song, even his serious ones, when he raps about his father, who abodoned him, Jay makes me want to dance with his flow.

But hey if people can say Biggie was better than Pac and still look at themselves in the mirror then anything is possible.

P.S. I don't hate Jay-Z, if I did I would not have bought all his albums, I just don't think is a 5 mic rapper, and Nas is.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Cliche on September 19, 2002, 06:20:37 AM
Dre's not a better producer than Pete Rock  :P
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 19, 2002, 08:06:05 AM
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Dre's not a better producer than Pete Rock  :P


I wish he was better than dre. but he isn't - he's limited to his his sp 1200 & mpc and that's it.

P.S. better = more versatile
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Zero4eva on September 19, 2002, 08:08:00 AM
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P.S. I don't hate Jay-Z, if I did I would not have bought all his albums, I just don't think is a 5 mic rapper, and Nas is.


yes.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: Cliche on September 20, 2002, 12:07:33 PM
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I wish he was better than dre. but he isn't - he's limited to his his sp 1200 & mpc and that's it.

P.S. better = more versatile



i'd be more likely to anticipate a new Pete Rock joint than a Dre joint... just because he's been using chronic 2001 leftovers for the last year and a half.
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: teecee on September 20, 2002, 02:22:14 PM
This Blueprint vs Stillmatic is a TIRED argument.....it depends what the fuck you like.  Nas, on one hand, is MUCH better at real hiphop and is a far deeper lyricist than Jay Z.  On the other hand, Nas cannot fuck with Jigga as far as charisma and commercial hits (Nas should stay away from commercial rap period).........

Me, i prefer the Nas album because it is MOSTLY authentic hiphop, and Jay Z's is great due mainly because of the production.  I mean, really, what the fuck is Jay Z saying that means anything?  Anyway, Jay Z's album is WAY more fun and is a great commercial album..........i just prefer songs like One Mic and You're Da Man to Izzo and Song Cry, so i gotta go with nas on this one!

P.s.- For those who Jayz's first album was so great, i say it is not even on par with Nas second album It Was Written.  Why?  Well, it had a couple horrible songs (ain't No Nigga!) and
noone even payed attention to it when it dropped (me and Cliche did, and there was not much of  a buzz about the album but we thought it was tight nonetheless)....then Jay zZ blows up a bit, Big dies, The Source really gets on Jay's nuts, they rerelease Jayz first album, and all of a sudden it is a five mic groundbreaking classic?  Please..............
Title: Re: The Blueprint vs. Stillmatic
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on September 21, 2002, 01:15:34 AM
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P.s.- For those who Jayz's first album was so great, i say it is not even on par with Nas second album It Was Written.


I'm with you on that, i've always said that I don't think Jay has even recorded anything on par to "It Was Written", let alone "Stillmatic".