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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: infinite59 on August 16, 2002, 09:08:01 PM
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Best East Coast Album of All Time- Illmatic
Best East Coast Rapper of All Time- Nas
..........Biggie shouldn't always be regarded as the best just because he died, put Biggies first two albums against Nas's first two and I think Nas is way better. Big is second best though. And everybody else is far behind those two.
And this Lost Tapes album is bangin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rakim is the best east coast rapper...Nas put out the best East Coast album though ("Illmatic" of course)...But it's your opinion, and it's not a bad one neither...PeAce
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I'm the R the A to the K-I-M
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am
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I'm the R the A to the K-I-M
If I wasn't, then why would I say I am
YOu know what's interesting........ Eminem got his line off that......
I Am/
Whatever You Say I Am/
If I Wasn't Then Why Would I Say I Am/
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He's off the hook and one of the best. I agree with the other about Rakim being the best though.
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YOu know what's interesting........ Eminem got his line off that......
I Am/
Whatever You Say I Am/
If I Wasn't Then Why Would I Say I Am/
As did Nas
Yo, I'm the N the A to the S-I-R
And If I wasn't, I must've been Escobar
Also the 21 emcee theory line from Pete Rock and Eminem
I take seven ill drums put 'em in a line
And add seven more snares to make it combine
It'll take seven more horns before I start to rhyme
Now that twenty-one beats made up at the same time
I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line
Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine
a Mack-11 and it oughta solve the problem of mine
and that's a whole school of bullies shot up all at one time
You could go on forever
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I can't decide which east coast MC is the dopest ever, Rakim's much more consistant than Nas, but "Illmatic"'s the dopest east coast album ever to this day
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1. Rakim
2. Jigga
3. Nas
4. Biggie
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Nas is defo in my top 5 MC's/Rappers of all time list, but i'd personally give the crown of the Greatest Eastcoast Rapper/MC to Rakim. I mean if it wasn't for Ra Nas prolly wouldn't be the MC he is today, Ra was a HUGE influence on him and if you listen to his music you can tell, thats why Nas gets compared to Ra alot. I know alot of peeps consider Biggie to be the greatest but he's not for me, he's not even in my top 5 Eastcoast MC's/Rappers to be honest.
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1. Chino XL
2. Nas (For the earlier music & Stillmatic)
:D
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Please believe Nasty Nas is the king of NY.Illmatic os the best hip hop album ever. Don't like Rakim anyway.
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one dope album and a mediocore comeback and everybody starts ridin his dick.
nas ain't got shit on ra and krs.
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one dope album and a mediocore comeback and everybody starts ridin his dick.
nas ain't got shit on ra and krs.
One dope album?? Illmatic(classic), IWW & Stillmatic are all dope albums. The Lost Tapes are very dope.
I count 4
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One dope album?? Illmatic(classic), IWW & Stillmatic are all dope albums. The Lost Tapes are very dope.
I count 4
illmatic is the dope album. iww production is trash besides a few songs. stillmatic was the mediocore comeback. lost tapes is more like a greatest hits cd of old unreleased material.
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One dope album?? Illmatic(classic), IWW & Stillmatic are all dope albums. The Lost Tapes are very dope.
I count 4
WORD.
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Y'all are trippin' by not mentioning Chuck D as #2 to Rakim...
and trippin' even harder by not recognising "Nation of Millions" being the best album out of the East Coast
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Y'all are trippin' by not mentioning Chuck D as #3 to Rakim and KRS...
and trippin' even harder by not recognising "Nation of Millions" being the best album out of the East Coast
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I definitely think Nas is the best east coast rapper of all time.
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Up for debate, but I think Biggie was just too damn good of a storyteller. His flow destroyed all but Rakims, but, in the very end, Rakim holds the crown of All-Time N.Y. King.
Rakim's lyrics are bitten by everyone, and every rapper out today listened to Rakim as the person they respected. His flow was perfect, and his lyrics were what makes him the best. storytelling was alright, not better than Nas or Biggie, but his lyrical skillz and his flow out do theirs, plus his message goes over Big, and runs even with Nas. Biggie and Nas about even in storytelling, lyrical about even too, but Biggie's flows crush Nas more so than Nas having more meaning than Biggie, 'cause Ready to Die saves Biggies ass, but his smooth flow that make some shit lyrics dound tight has to bring him up. Chuck D has message, and storytelling, but flow is average, and lyrical is also. Though his message more than makes up for that, his not on the level of Nas or Rakim.
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biggie is the best rapper that came out of the eastcoast simple as that.
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Chuck D has message, and storytelling, but flow is average, and lyrical is also. Though his message more than makes up for that, his not on the level of Nas or Rakim.
I was about to say that, nicely put :)
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Nasty(Illmatic period) Nas iz prolly one of the biggest eastcoast hopes ever, But his inconsistency during his career not only stops him from being The best eastcoast cat ever but also at times threw him out of the top10 Eastcoast(during his dark ages:IWW to Nastradamus)....he's always been supreme flowise and vocally- but if he wanted to be a background vocalist he shouldn't have made solo albums, It's not enough to be a dope vocalist to be considered the best Rapper. Bottom line is Nas ain't touching BIG when it comes to storytelling, focus and structuring lyrics...even his 10 track- flawless- Illmatic was outshined By Big'z "ready to die" not only in the quantity of the quallity\classic material(since "R2D" was just as perfect and than some) but also in personallity(due to Bigz abillityz to personalize his material to the point the listener is carried into his lyrics, almost phisiclly) . Some might speculate "Life After Death" was not on par wit Big'z debut, but if a number of tracks were to be kept off the album there would be still enough material to make it a classic, Nasz 3 follow upz to Illmatic stayed sub-par for 7 years. my top eastcoast goes like this(due to this day):
1.Big
2.Rakim(yea he was more influential than Big no doubt, but Influence is not what Im talking about right here, Im talking bout quallity)
3.Jay-z
4.Nas.
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Nas has 4 great albums. Pac didn't even have 4 great albums. (not counting his posthumous remixed ish)
What other rapper has had 4 great albums?
Illmatic
It Was Written
Stillmatic
Lost Tapes
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Nas has 4 great albums. Pac didn't even have 4 great albums. (not counting his posthumous remixed ish)
What other rapper has had 4 great albums?
Illmatic
It Was Written
Stillmatic
Lost Tapes
lol. pac had 3 classics to nas 1 classic album and some mediocre releases. common also has 3 classics and if kool g rap would've stayed with dj polo he would've surpassed 3. not to mention g rap is the greatest story teller ever...
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Nas has 4 great albums. Pac didn't even have 4 great albums. (not counting his posthumous remixed ish)
What other rapper has had 4 great albums?
Illmatic
It Was Written
Stillmatic
Lost Tapes
IWW was garbage....and Pac Had 3 classicz,if we don't count the solid shit out of his unreleases( Although The lost tapes are a bunch of unreleases)...
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Nobody compares to Rakim. How can you consider Nas or anyone else when Rakim gave birth to and perfected the style that they all emmulate. He is hiphop. He is East coast. He is New York. Nas is just a branch from Rakims tree.
1. Rakim
2.Nas
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Sorry homies.....but the Greatest Eastcoast rapper ever was and will always be.."The Notorious B.I.G."
People tend to forget the man was only 24 when he died...
his best had yet to come you cannot deny that fact.
The Rap Game has no fucken Idea what was to come from B.I.G.
He had the rap game on lock as far as the east goes...
Biggie was the East when he was around.
Listen to your favorite rapper's music.....who's name comes outta their mouth more than shitt & Fuck....(Big & Pac)
AkA....nothin' can change that now.
Your favorite rapper's favorite rapper.....lol
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ImO...
(http://gs.cdnow.com/graphics/COVERART/local/L/42/50/00044250.jpg)
"Ready to Die"
1. Intro
2. Things Done Changed
3. Gimme The Loot
4. Machine Gun Funk
5. Warning
6. Ready To Die
7. One More Chance
8. #!*@ Me (Interlude)
9. The What
10. Juicy
11. Everyday Struggle
12. Me & My Bitch
13. Big Poppa
14. Respect
15. Friend Of Mine
16. Unbelieveable
17. Suicidal Thoughts
Will Swallow "Illmatic alive.......check it out side by side.
(http://gs.cdnow.com/graphics/COVERART/local/L/40/82/00074082.jpg)
"Illmatic"
1. The Genesis
2. N.Y. State Of Mind
3. Life's A Bitch
4. The World Is Yours
5. Halftime
6. Memory Lane (Sittin' In Da Park)
7. One Love
8. One Time 4 Your Mind
9. Represent
10. It Ain't Hard To Tell
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WHoa!!!!
Just look at that track listing on "Ready to die"... :o
Classic Banger's like "Big Poppa" & "Juicy" will always get played at the clubs until the day we die.
"Respect"
"Unbeleivable"....yo' B.I.G.'s flow cannot be fucked wit' on those tracks.
"Warning"
"Suicidal thought's"....the master of story telling cannot be faded on those track's.
Danm!!!! when I line it up this way it kinda makes "Illmatic" look like a mini lp.
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Alothough Nas came as tight as anyone can come on track's like "Ny State of mind" & "One Love"
"life's a bitch"...to me is an Az track since he rip's the mic like no other on that track.
The Cd is tight as hell........But im my opinion cannot hold a candle to B.I.G.'s "Ready to die" compared side to side, and track for track.
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I gave you the first lp...(vs) the first Lp as an example since people tend to jock the first releases.
I think the more fair comparrison would be Jigga & Nas, cause B.I.G. was a legend in his own time amongst his peer's and those who were older than him.
It's hard to belive B.I.G. made all that tight music befor his 25 birthday.
Danm!!! I Miss B.I.G.
Baby Baby
Hatesrats 2oo2
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Hates got a point, but Rakims influince can't be messed with. Biggie and Nas can be put side to side, and it's hard as hell. But Biggie never was as bad as Nastradumas, but Life After Death wasn't exactly a step up from Ready to Die, had Biggie lived, he might have had the problem Nas did with releasing a classic CD first. Also, with them two, you might have to go with freestyling, and Biggie was more accoplished. I personally like Nas better in terms of rappers, but Biggie can't be overlooked. Though I still say Rakim, who influiced everyone, when an Eastcoast rapper spits, he just trying to be like Ra. Freestyles, just straight jaw dropping punch lines. The Source couldn't just had a whole section on just Rakim's greatest lyrics ever, and that would have been enough. But as I said, Biggies flows crush everyone in the rap game, even my favorite 'Pac, so it's easy to say Big, 'cause Big had it all, plus it was very easy to listen to. But Rakim's lyricals were just to strong for my vote.
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You guys seem to keep focussing on an artists' output, not just their skills... so I'd like to re-emphasise my earlier point...
While NaS and Biggie do have the skills; Rakim (with Eric B), and Chuck D (with Public Enemy) have discography's which shit all over the NaS and Biggie Collections.
Public Enemy: Four Undisputed Classics
1987 Yo! Bum Rush the Show
1988 It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
1990 Fear of a Black Planet
1991 Apocalypse 91...The Enemy Strikes Black
Eric B & Rakim: Four 4.5 Mic Plus Albums
1987 Paid in Full
1988 Follow the Leader
1990 Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em
1992 Don't Sweat the Technique
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Honestly, hate me or whatever, I never thought nas was that incredible. He's good. period.
Rakim, Public Enemy, and especially #1 Biggie all were more talented. I'd even say guys like Common and Jay Z and Black Thought are PROBABLY more talented, but they're too inconsistant. Nas has a pretty good record, I think.
I gotta give it to Biggie. Rakim is a little dated, to me, I didn't listen to him when he was huge, so maybe I don't fully comprehend how dope he was... I know he's a huge influence on everybody, and everything i've heard is dope. However, that being said, I believe Biggie would have been *the* best rapper to ever live, above even Pac, (well, it's close, I dunno) if he would have had time to do more. The stuff he did do is unique, I think, it's all original stuff, and some of his words are just unbelievable... Some of the lines are just crazy, hard stuff, and his flow and voice were perfect, perfect perfect. Even his pauses were perfect... "I dun smoked with the best of 'em (pause) shot at the rest of um (pause) was about a hundred or more (pause.....) maybe less of 'um" - Just perfect flow. Peace~
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01. Krs-One
02. Rakim
03. Chuck D
04. Big Daddy Kane
05. L.L. Cool J
06. Kool G Rap
07. Biggie
08. Redman
09. Melli Mel
10. PMD
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Theres no order...There are just the bests, and the bests are:
Nas, Biggie, Cuck D, Rakim, KRS...
Damn, theres just WAYYY to many to name...LoL...You get the point though...Its all a matter of opinion.. but if u take the average hip hop heads opinion, the answer would come out as "Rakim"...PeAcE
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But as I said, Biggies flows crush everyone in the rap game, even my favorite 'Pac, so it's easy to say Big, 'cause Big had it all, plus it was very easy to listen to.
I think Red & Meth got the sickest flows in the game today.
When Method Man is in the zone, there ain't no stopping him.
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To the ones that don't list Ra that highly, I have a feeling he's gonna go up in your estimation when "Oh My God" drops....and rightfully so.
And to say, 'what if' or 'if he was still here' about Biggie is stupid. Biggie's legacy stopped when he died, right, other rappers can't help that, they can only go on and continue their legacy's, like Nas, Jay and many others are doing. The rap game doesn't stop because Biggie & 'Pac are dead, rappers come and go, the best stick in our heads, their regarded as legends, but just because they are dead doesn't mean other rappers can't top their legacy's. 2Pac is the G.O.A.T for me personally, he has been for many many years, but for all I know someone else could come along in years to come and blow me away and change my whole opinion. Not that thats likely to happen ;D but you still gotta keep an open mind.
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ha ha Method Man shouldn't even be included in this topic.....although you could argue for Redman based on his earlier work....
Biggie- maybe would've been the greatest as his flow is the greatest of all time (well, Doggystyle Snoop is comparable)....however, people act like he did no wrong! I mean, Life After Death is a classic, but it DID have some wack songs......and he only had a chance to drop two albums, so he never really fell off---imagine if Snoop died after DOggystyle!.....
Nas- alot of people say IWW isn't a classic, but a lot of people also say Pac's Makeveli wasn't classic either. Nas has more great songs than any other rapper in eastcoast history, but he has a lot of wack ones too......kinda funny though how some rappers like Jay Z and Big are allowed to do commercial songs while Nas gets hated on when he does so
Kool G Rap- incredible story teller and rapid fire spitter, he has to at least be considered
other honorable mention: LL COOL J (don't sleep), Chuck D, Jay Z
However, the top 2 gotta be RAKIM & Big Daddy Kane!!!! They fathered all your favourite Mc's styles.......Rakim brought the conscious/streetwise rap, making way for Nas to do what he does. BDK brought the incredible wordplay and flow, creating the style that Big, Jay Z, and especially a young Snoop would take to another level...
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"My rhymes are so dope and/ rappers be hopin
to sound like me soon i'll have to open
a school of mcing
for those who wanna be in
my field and court
then again on second thought
to have mc's coming out soundin so similar
it quite confusin for you to remember the
originator, and boy to i hate a..... perpatrator
but i'm much greater
the best oh yes i guess suggest the best just fess
don't mess or test...your highness
unless you just address with best finesses
and bless the paragraphs i manifest
rap prime minister
some say sinister
non-stopping the groove until when its
the climax, then i max, relax and chill
have a break from a take, i mean actin ill
brain cells will lift, i dare start to hit
next the formation of words that fit
at the table i sit, makin it legit
and when the pen hits the paper.....ah shit
i start to stand strong over mc's
and devour with the power of hercules
or sampson, i go further with length
cuz you could scout my cameo and i'd still have strength
and no, thats not a myth and if u try to rip
or get with the man get with the given gift...
of gab, your vocab, will only ignore
be sleepin on your rhymes til i start to snore
you can't awake me, or even make me
fear ya son, cuz u can't do me none....so
think about it if ya tryin to go
when ya wanna step to me, i think ya should know"
the legendary rapper who did this verse is, to me, tied with Rakim for greatest eastcoast rapper of all time......
1. rakim & BDK
2. nas & Biggie
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......kinda funny though how some rappers like Jay Z and Big are allowed to do commercial songs while Nas gets hated on when he does so
well it's not very hard to figure out why, Unless u decide to swallow blindly anything he puts out(mainlly due to his supreme vocal abillities while completely ignoring the lyrical flawz). Ive been saying it for ages, when Nas is focused-he can break unimaginable records, therefore, he has great potensial but as u follow his career u find out that the only way he can stay focused(more less focused) is either by dealing wit so called- serious isues(although not always) through his music AND\OR while trying to prove something(more likely), NAS unlike other MCz who surpass him lyriclly,simply can't stay focused in any other conditions. He often falls flat while reciting gimmickz and cliche's which seem unconected and apart of each other , as if he was simply rhyming words...in the MC sence nas is a dope lyricist- he can bring ILL lines, dope metaphores and imagery but all this is worth nothing if he can't structure it right, and to strucutre it right he needs focus,which he lacks. When he tries to do comersial tracks he usually looses the listener very fast....
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S.G.V. mentioned Melli Mel, who I overllooked in this arguement, but on my offical list, have him at number 5 or so. Melli Mel did the Message and White Lines. Greatest Rapper out the early 80's, pre-Rakim. Melli Mel had a nice flow, lyricals were average, but message was just great. And my offical list of JUST EASTCOAST rappers.
1. Rakim
2. Notorious B.I.G.
3. Nas
4. KRS-One
5. Melli Mel
6. Big Daddy Kane
7. LL Cool J
8. Chuck D
9. Kool G Rap
10. Jay Z (don't like as much now, but was a fan of his earlier work)
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a top 10 list without g rap? 3 classic albums, the greatest story-teller ever, started the criminology style, and he still gets no love. thats bullshit.
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It's hard narrowing down eastcoast rappers, 'cause the east is so deep. I was looking for places for Slick Rick, Method, Red Man, Erick Sermon, CL Smooth, the list can go on of others I had in mind. But I'm happy with my list, and I stick to it as mine. The West is easier, 2Pac, Cube, Snoop, Ren, then whoever, D.J. Quik, Xzibit, M.C. Eiht, Kurupt, Evidence of Dilated Peoples and Slim Kid 3 of Pharcyde. The list can change depending on the person, but the top 4 are always the same. 2Pac of course the GOAT, Cube has been more consident than Snoop, and Ren 4th 'cause his solo career isn't great, but still drops great rhymes. But the East has a way deeper roster.
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alot of people dont know about melli mell...thats why they dont regard him...but melli had some of the best content and flow i have ever heard on any coast...i think the farthest back anyone goes is kane...i believe thats 86...even then not many know about kane...thats why ur gonna see alot of newer rappers on the lists...
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Nice....The feedback on this wa tight
here is my "Hatesrats Eastcoast top 10"
1.The Notorious B.I.G.
2.Rakim
3.LL Cool J
4.Erick Sermon
5.Run/DmC
6.Jay-Z
7.Nas
8.Big Punisher
9.Big Daddy Kane
10.Redman
*11.Chuck D
ImO
That's my top 10...
I took into consideration the fact that this is what I bumped when the shitt was new...everything on that list was copped on their first attempt.
so I got love for all the artits on my list.
the higher peep's got the most spin's.
I'll bump this shit till the day I die......if hip-hop was to fade tommorow and no more tracks were recorded eva again.
I got it to last forever with enough eastcoast flavor to last the rest of my days with just the mention 10 above.
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Word to "Beat street"..."The Message" "White Lines....Sugerhill Gang...Kool Mo Dee...Doug E Fresh...G-Rap...B.D.P...ect
But my list only consists of spin's I made....This is my top 10.
Dannmm!! I could have placed any of those rapper's in any order and i wouldn't have mattered to me.
Who else own's all the shit of their fav's in their list...I got all their discography with the exception of the New "Public enemy" and the "He got game soundtrack"....lol
Peace
Hatesrats 2oo2
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4.Erick Sermon
Erick Sermon DEFINENTLY belongs in the Producers list, but I wouldnt really put him in the Top east coast rappers list...PeAcE