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Title: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: morbidenigma on June 15, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
dyu guys think it is..

im still surprised ppl pursue relationships.. and actually think/expect that the other half will be commited and faithful... the amount of people who have multiple sexual partners at 1 time(whether its on the sly or publicly) would make u think ppl would think twice.. but it doesnt..

opinions?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Elevz on June 15, 2008, 01:25:39 PM
You don't want that one special lady to be lying in bed with the next man. It's more or less a part of western cultures, to be so serious about dedication. And if you want to be sure a woman doesn't do that to you, that means you shouldn't do it either. That's basically the conclusion you can draw from anyone who doesn't mind cheating on a lover: they don't give a shit. That surely does tell you something about their integrity, regarding people as throwaway items and lust as a primary motive...
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: jeromechickenbone on June 16, 2008, 05:26:43 PM
I don't think it's necessarily a myth, I just think a lot of people force themselves into monogamy when they truly aren't ready for it.  Back 30 years ago, it was normal for peeps to get married at 18 and have kids and shit.  Nowadays, shit isn't really that way as much.  I've been to enough places and met enough people to know there's lots of things to experience and at this point I want to be free to do those things and not be chained down.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 16, 2008, 07:15:50 PM
It's cuz society has changed. It's aight to cheat and divorce like it's nuthin'. I mean, picture finding a women, having 9 children, been faithful for the whole trip, and still widow one another in love. That shit is insane. That shit don't happen anymore. Doubt it ever will in this day and age.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Corporate Hustler on June 16, 2008, 07:24:08 PM
It's cuz society has changed. It's aight to cheat and divorce like it's nuthin'. I mean, picture finding a women, having 9 children, been faithful for the whole trip, and still widow one another in love. That shit is insane. That shit don't happen anymore. Doubt it ever will in this day and age.

thats cuz my nigga too short laced us up on game
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: The King on June 16, 2008, 08:46:32 PM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: LooN3y on June 16, 2008, 10:28:41 PM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.


100% agree. mutha fuckas r retarded and hypocritical as fuck these days.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 17, 2008, 06:51:04 AM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.

 :sign_werd:
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on June 17, 2008, 07:11:10 AM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.

What your saying sounds nice, but that's a very objective reality.  Things don't always work like that.  I mean, if everyone could "meet the right person, a person you love, spend the rest of their lives together"... that may sound nice but it doesn't always go down like that.

Some people may be at one stage in their life when they marry, and they or their partner have some agreement and certain things they love about each other, and then one side changes or evolves as time goes... people are not stationary objects, we are always growing, and developing... think how different you are now from just a year ago, for example.

So, it sounds like your trying to force an objective reality onto people.  But who the fuck said you had to be monogamous?   Does that work for everyone?  At all times?  In every situation?  Of course not, every experience we endure adds another ingredient to our personality, no two people are the same.  So what works for one, may not work for another.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: morbidenigma on June 22, 2008, 04:26:42 AM
^^ the argument wasnt whether or not u have to be monagamous or not.. that is ur personal choice.. whether its morally right to sleep around is for antoher thread..  i was questioning whether its possible for those who may wish to pursue it.. and how its literallly impossible in todays society.. i meant like if u wanted to be monagamous to one person wud that person be monagamous too? they may pretend to be serious about u too whilst cheating or they'll openly admit 2u they go around.. like many women u meet even at the beginning and/or throughout the courtship phase.. she will be involved wid other guys.. or gettin out of something.. or just be havin her little bit on the side..
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 22, 2008, 08:41:26 AM
It doesn't surprise me that much. I've known plenty of people that have slept around while in a serious relationship, or even marriage. In fact, I'd have to admit it's becoming disturbingly common. I've personally never been married and really don't think I'm depriving myself of anything by staying single. If I met the right one, maybe I'd reconsider, but so far, I just haven't met anyone who made me want to give up what I have now. And the thing is, I know far more people who are unhappily married than people who are happily married. One of my colleagues, who's a little older than me but has been married six years now, has actually told me he envies me...several times now! My parents, who are Christians and the most "moral"-type people I know, are sure as hell not happy in their marriage, and I know for sure I don't want to be like them.

One thing I will agree with...if your sole reason for staying single is that you want to keep sleeping with random strangers you meet at parties, then that is a totally idiotic, shallow mentality. You'd be surprised at how old that shit gets after a while, particularly once you get to be my age and you don't have oversexed, adolescent friends standing around telling you how cool you are because you're banging a different girl every weekend. People want to do that because they have this idea that fucking a whole bunch of other people will somehow make them happy. That's just like those people who go shopping endlessly, buying lots of expensive crap they don't need, thinking that having all those things will fill this empty, gaping hole in their lives. Wanting to have sex with lots and lots of people is exactly the same sort of delusional mentality.

So, the point I'm making is...marriage won't necessarily make you a happier person, but neither will staying single so that you can have lots of sex with lots of people. If getting married is TRULY what you want, and you know you've found the right person, then fine. But you really don't need a spouse to have a rich, fulfilling life any more than you need to sleep around. It's all in your head. Decide what you REALLY want - not what your friends, family, religion, etc. tell you - and go for that.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on June 24, 2008, 02:14:05 AM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.

Eh...Just because a person doesn't share your same morals and values that does not make them immoral, weak or lazy. Monogamy might work for some but not for others. Its not right not make sweeping generalizations like this. I'm sure many people would be much happier by being sexually promiscuous. And do you have data to back your theory that most people aren't happy AND that their unhappiness is directly linked to their not being monogamous or are you just blowing shit out of your mouth? It seems like you're just making vast sweeping judgments and assumptions based on the culture that you have been indoctrinated into accepting. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the impression I get.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Elevz on June 24, 2008, 05:06:57 AM
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Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: The King on June 24, 2008, 01:00:25 PM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.

Eh...Just because a person doesn't share your same morals and values that does not make them immoral, weak or lazy. Monogamy might work for some but not for others. Its not right not make sweeping generalizations like this. I'm sure many people would be much happier by being sexually promiscuous. And do you have data to back your theory that most people aren't happy AND that their unhappiness is directly linked to their not being monogamous or are you just blowing shit out of your mouth? It seems like you're just making vast sweeping judgments and assumptions based on the culture that you have been indoctrinated into accepting. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the impression I get.

So you don't think going to bars for the simple purpose of sleeping with women, and then to never talk to them again, is immoral? Our society is in the shit were in because of lack of morals. Look how 12 year old girls dress these days. It's a signal of a declining morality. People don't need sex, it's that simple. They only think they need it, and people who can't keep a monogamous relationship are weak minded. They need that short term statisfcation for something they don't even need to survive or be happy. It's an immature, adolesent life style. How many people do you know who are truely  happy. I've never met one. And most people I know aren't married.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2008, 02:43:25 PM
^ Fuckin' preach that shit!
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 03:05:27 PM
^^^^^^ It has less to do with morality and more to do with the fact that it's a trend of Western countries where the population is used to living in affluence. People who are educated and who have ambitious career plans (read: myself) simply don't see their first objective in life as getting married and having kids. Whereas people who are poor and have little education don't have the ambition or the money to be so mobile, so they just stay home and fuck their wives and have lots of kids. That's why in Europe and America right now, divorce rates are so high and marriage rates (and, correspondingly, birth rates) are so low.

Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to it from a practical standpoint because if fewer people are getting married and having kids, then we're less likely to have overpopulation problems in the near future. The issue is that right now, we can't let the Muslims out-breed us if we wish to maintain world dominance, which is kind of what's happening with them now.

People don't need sex, it's that simple. They only think they need it, and people who can't keep a monogamous relationship are weak minded.

If you actually believe that, it makes me doubt you've had sex yourself.

You may "think" you need it, but when it comes to fulfilling psychological needs, perception is reality. It's not necessarily about the need to sleep with lots of people; it's about when spouse can't fulfill the other's sexual needs (or both). There is no moral superiority in being married and monogamous if you're unhappy with the person you're with.

And most people I know aren't married.

Quite a few people I know are married, and they sure as hell are not happy, either. Which is why some of them cheat and others get divorced, or just spend lots of time whining to me and other people I know who are single.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2008, 03:07:29 PM
Whereas people who are poor and have little education don't have the ambition or the money to be so mobile, so they just stay home and fuck their wives and have lots of kids.

And they couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 03:08:33 PM
And they couldn't be happier.

Ignorance is bliss. I won't deny that. But you aren't necessarily a better person for it.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2008, 03:09:59 PM
What?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: machete on June 24, 2008, 03:11:58 PM
i think the shit is twisted nowadays people just don't give a f**k, think about it.  people get married bcuz they think they are going 2 live this disney dream, and want that fairytale wedding.  in reality they probably don't even know each other that well.  things like money, who has and how much to spend, can mess things up.  which leads some people to go sbe with someonw else.  nowadays is just to easy to quit, and not try to work things out.  
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 03:13:32 PM
What?

Being "happy" because you're living in a trailer and you have ten kids with your wife (whom you beat for talking shit) while living on welfare is not anything worth admiring. It just means those folks are too ignorant to know that there are other ways to live.

i think the shit is twisted nowadays people just don't give a f**k, think about it.  people get married bcuz they think they are going 2 live this disney dream, and want that fairytale wedding.  in reality they probably don't even know each other that well.  things like money, who has and how much to spend, can mess things up.  which leads some people to go sbe with someonw else.  nowadays is just to easy to quit, and not try to work things out. 

Yeah, I think way too many people get married for the same reason that too many people want to be promiscuous. When the reality is not as simple as the Christian right makes it sound.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2008, 03:23:34 PM
What?

Being "happy" because you're living in a trailer and you have ten kids with your wife (whom you beat for talking shit) while living on welfare is not anything worth admiring. It just means those folks are too ignorant to know that there are other ways to live.


Well, not in all cases, but to the one's wit values and the ones I know, will tell you that's what living is about.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 03:27:18 PM
Well, not in all cases, but to the one's wit values and the ones I know, will tell you that's what living is about.

Personally, I call that being a drain on society. And I was raised to think people like that ain't shit.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 24, 2008, 03:29:36 PM
Well, not in all cases, but to the one's wit values and the ones I know, will tell you that's what living is about.

Personally, I call that being a drain on society. And I was raised to think people like that ain't shit.

And your black?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 03:33:45 PM
And your black?

What does my race have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Nat Turner-reincarnated on June 24, 2008, 06:01:08 PM
now this is a good topic. and eye agree with the nigga who said ppl that cant stay faithful are weak. me personally in these times, with STD's and all sheeiiiit. monogamy is the way to go. 
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: The King on June 24, 2008, 07:41:39 PM
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People who are educated and who have ambitious career plans (read: myself) simply don't see their first objective in life as getting married and having kids.

It's actually the complete opposite. How many of your college professors sleep around? My supervisor is 30, he's married, no kids though. People with educations tend to get married in their late 20's/early 30's after they've gained their education and are entering the work force. Do you know any 40 so Ph.'Ds who sleep around? And it seems to me that poorer people tend to sleep around more, as STD's tend to progress through poorer communities. I don't know anyone over the age of 40 who contracts sexually transmitted diseases. Educated people tend to have a greater sense of morality, and don't get drunk, do drugs, and sleep with random people.

Theirs a HUGE difference between getting married and monogamy. If you have the same girlfriend for 5 years, good on you. But if every friday night, you sleep with a different person, you're obviously just feeding some selfish need. And before we go personal, I have had sex, and to be honest, the first time, I didn't have it for the right reason. People think your abnormal if you don't have sex as young as possible. How is that not immoral? It's all over every single daily aspect of life. It's not even about love anymore.

I'm not say people should get married and have kids. I'm simply saying, you should find a girl you like, take her out, get to know her, and then have sex, and if you like her, repeat the cycle. Having sex with a person you just met hours before, is immoral. If you happen to date a lot of girls, thats fine, no problem with that. But sleeping around, is just a selfish, shallow life. Education has nothing to do with it. And usually educated people, don't sleep around.

People these days tend to be so focused on themselves, they forget about the people around them. I tend to go with the principle that the population is more important then the individual. I'm not important. If I die, I die. But as I live my life, I try and live it as unselfishly as I can. I think and do what I think is best for the people around me. People get too caught up in themselves, and their needs, and their desires. They forget their just unimportant members of a greater society. People over value their own lives, and devalue others. That's the cause of almost all the problems in society. People doing whats best for themselves, NOT the people around them. Sex isn't some need. It's something you should be able to control. And if you can't control it, and stay faithful to your girlfriend or wife, then you are a weak person. Simple as that.

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The issue is that right now, we can't let the Muslims out-breed us if we wish to maintain world dominance, which is kind of what's happening with them now.

That's one of the dumber things anyones ever said on this forum. Subliminal racism is still racism.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 08:36:56 PM
That's one of the dumber things anyones ever said on this forum. Subliminal racism is still racism.

Muslims are not a race. Besides, I don't want to live under Sharia.

It's actually the complete opposite. How many of your college professors sleep around? My supervisor is 30, he's married, no kids though. People with educations tend to get married in their late 20's/early 30's after they've gained their education and are entering the work force. Do you know any 40 so Ph.'Ds who sleep around? And it seems to me that poorer people tend to sleep around more, as STD's tend to progress through poorer communities. I don't know anyone over the age of 40 who contracts sexually transmitted diseases. Educated people tend to have a greater sense of morality, and don't get drunk, do drugs, and sleep with random people.

First of all, unlike you, I don't associate staying single with "sleeping around". I'm single and I sure as fuck don't "sleep around".

And furthermore, in case you didn't notice my other post, I already said that I think staying single SOLELY to be promiscuous is, indeed, quite immature. The only thing I'm arguing is against this idea that marriage is as fulfilling as you claim it is.

I'm not say people should get married and have kids. I'm simply saying, you should find a girl you like, take her out, get to know her, and then have sex, and if you like her, repeat the cycle. Having sex with a person you just met hours before, is immoral. If you happen to date a lot of girls, thats fine, no problem with that. But sleeping around, is just a selfish, shallow life. Education has nothing to do with it. And usually educated people, don't sleep around.

No disagreement from me there. But people who are very busy thinking about their career plans, and themselves, just don't tend to think about marriage as much. My argument is that the educated Westerner's mentality is to think about career before family.

Sex isn't some need. It's something you should be able to control. And if you can't control it, and stay faithful to your girlfriend or wife, then you are a weak person. Simple as that.

It is need. It is a psychological need. When your wife/GF stops fulfilling your need (or vice-versa), sexual frustration is very hard to take. Marriage counseling and sex therapy wouldn't be actual medical fields otherwise.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: The King on June 24, 2008, 08:53:57 PM
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Muslims are not a race. Besides, I don't want to live under Sharia.

A negative bias, or a hatred towards Muslims is racism. Live under Sharia? Do you think if Muslims begin to overpopulate us, we'll all live under Islamic Law? I have more to say, but you're obviously not very educated on Islam, or maybe the fact you by into the propaganda that Muslims all want us dead. You're a republican aren't you?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 24, 2008, 09:03:12 PM
A negative bias, or a hatred towards Muslims is racism. Live under Sharia? Do you think if Muslims begin to overpopulate us, we'll all live under Islamic Law? I have more to say, but you're obviously not very educated on Islam, or maybe the fact you by into the propaganda that Muslims all want us dead. You're a republican aren't you?

No, I'm an atheist who has little respect for any religion. I was also a prospective Islamic convert at one point in my life (as I have explained elsewhere).

I do not believe all Muslims want us dead, only that there is a fairly large percentage of Muslims who DO have sympathy for Islamist goals, and the larger this population gets, the more of them there will be.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: jeromechickenbone on June 24, 2008, 09:44:15 PM
Mitt, what the fuck are you trying to preach about?  Your religion has a sect that supports POLYGAMY, remember? 
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: The King on June 24, 2008, 09:50:21 PM
^ I ain't religious. Nor do I like or care for religion. I like Romney on his issues, not his religion.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on June 24, 2008, 10:29:22 PM
The lack of monogamy in our society shows the true weakness and lack of morals in our culture. People who can't stay faithful are just people who have a lack of self control. The way our culture has progressed in the last few decades really shows how weak we are. Go into any highschool, and look at the lack of directions and maturity. The fact that procreation is now so separate from sex, shows the weak mind, and lack of self control of most people in this thing we call a civilized society. No one needs sex, you just think you do. Try to hold in your desires, it'll make you a stronger person. People can get whatever they want, when they want, and leads to a poorer quality of human being. No one has to earn or try anymore. They can just go to a bar, buy a whore a drink, and sleep with her. What kind of morality is that?

Monogamy will make you a happier person in the long run. Meeting the right person, a person you love, independent of sex, and spending you're lives together, that's happiness. Something most people won't accomplish, and why most people aren't happy in their lives. Most people would rather just sleep around, living selfish, shallow, self deprecating lives.

Short term satisfaction over longterm happiness. That's what our society is today.

Eh...Just because a person doesn't share your same morals and values that does not make them immoral, weak or lazy. Monogamy might work for some but not for others. Its not right not make sweeping generalizations like this. I'm sure many people would be much happier by being sexually promiscuous. And do you have data to back your theory that most people aren't happy AND that their unhappiness is directly linked to their not being monogamous or are you just blowing shit out of your mouth? It seems like you're just making vast sweeping judgments and assumptions based on the culture that you have been indoctrinated into accepting. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the impression I get.

So you don't think going to bars for the simple purpose of sleeping with women, and then to never talk to them again, is immoral? Our society is in the shit were in because of lack of morals. Look how 12 year old girls dress these days. It's a signal of a declining morality. People don't need sex, it's that simple. They only think they need it, and people who can't keep a monogamous relationship are weak minded. They need that short term statisfcation for something they don't even need to survive or be happy. It's an immature, adolesent life style. How many people do you know who are truely  happy. I've never met one. And most people I know aren't married.

   Well I think you're wrong to assume that because someone is not married that they are going to bars and sleeping around with as many partners as possible, nut to answer your question, no, I don't think its immoral. There is nothing wrong with consensual sex between grown people. The funny thing is, a lot of the time its the people who get on their soap box and preach morality who end up violating the morals they promote! (ex:Rush Limbaugh and his drug habit, That evangelical pastor and his secret underage homosexual sex buddies, etc). I think what you are referring to is indicative not of a decline in morality, but merely a shift in morality. Who are you or I to tell somebody they are immoral for living a lifestyle that they see fit so long as they are not hurting anyone? Regarding people needing sex, you say there is no need for it, but science has shown there are physiological benefits that result from it. Usually when something is beneficial it is considered healthy, not immoral. I seriously disagree with your assertion that those who are not in a monogamous relationship are weak minded. I don't think that being in a committed relationship is indicative of much more than either someone who has settled and is conceding that they can't have all they want out of life, or monogamy is simply something that interests them. Would you have us believe that the vast majority of our Presidents, Scientists, and various other types of leaders and pioneers are weak minded? Surely you know that these are all groups of people typically thought of as strong willed people, yet members of all of these groups have either cheated on their significant other or simply engaged in casual sex.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 25, 2008, 07:37:13 AM
^^^^^^ Like I said, wanting to stay single only because you want to sleep around is quite shallow and immature, not to mention dangerous (STDs). And frankly, I don't think there are many people who are naturally inclined to be promiscuous; it's more about showing off and impressing other guys (and in the case of women, it's sometimes a sign of sexual abuse as a child). I know people who are like that, too, and they aren't any happier than the married people I know.

I do think that when people are not being satisfied by their spouse sexually or emotionally, it's not that unusual for them to desire someone else. Because human beings do have psychological needs, and sometimes, married people stop fulfilling those needs for each other. It is not a sign of being "weak minded" to realize one day, "Damn, my wife is fucking ugly now, we have no chemistry as spouses, and I just can't get hard for her anymore".
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on June 25, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
^^^^^^ Like I said, wanting to stay single only because you want to sleep around is quite shallow and immature, not to mention dangerous (STDs). And frankly, I don't think there are many people who are naturally inclined to be promiscuous; it's more about showing off and impressing other guys (and in the case of women, it's sometimes a sign of sexual abuse as a child). I know people who are like that, too, and they aren't any happier than the married people I know.

I do think that when people are not being satisfied by their spouse sexually or emotionally, it's not that unusual for them to desire someone else. Because human beings do have psychological needs, and sometimes, married people stop fulfilling those needs for each other. It is not a sign of being "weak minded" to realize one day, "Damn, my wife is fucking ugly now, we have no chemistry as spouses, and I just can't get hard for her anymore".

I disagree wholeheartedly. First of all I doubt anybody stays single JUST so they can sleep around, but why is that shallow in your opinion? It would seem to be the mature decision to make to me. Much moreso than being in a relationship and sleeping around. Its a matter of being in touch with yourself, knowing your wants and needs and taking the steps to make sure you get what you want out of life. I would argue that the shallow thing to do would be to enter into a committed relationship simply to fit into someone else's ideals. You should never let somebody else dictate what you do in that arena. The risk of STD's is real, and I'm sure by now everybody knows this.  I'm not advocating unprotected sex by any means, but what business is it of ours whether or not somebody else wants to take the risk? And as far is being naturally inclined to be promiscuous, well that is true to a certain extent. However, EVERYONE is naturally inclined to be sexual. We have a sexual impulse, not a monogamous or promiscuous impulse. I would say that the stronger the sexual impulse in an individual, the more likely they are to be promiscuous though. In a sense, that does make promiscuity natural. Strong willed or weak willed is not the issue. People keep thinking of the old times as more moral for whatever reason, but they conveniently disregard the baby boom generation. More babies were made in that era than in any other in American history. Would you have me believe that all these babies were made by married, monogamous couples? I have serious doubts.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: jeromechickenbone on June 26, 2008, 03:33:31 AM
Anybody telling anyone else they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be monogamous needs to get over themselves.  It works for some people, it doesn't work for others.  Quit being judgmental fucks.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2008, 03:54:19 AM
^ Filthy humanist! ;)
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on June 26, 2008, 01:48:49 PM
Anybody telling anyone else they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be monogamous needs to get over themselves.  It works for some people, it doesn't work for others.  Quit being judgmental fucks.

LOL my post in a nutshell. And if anyone would care to elaborate, I would be very interested to hear why staying single for sexual purposes is "shallow."
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2008, 01:54:03 PM
I wouldn't tell nobody he or she should be monogamous, just don't sleep around when you have a girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband. I really don't accept that kind of shiet.

Quote
Most players are only players cause they got played
And have not let go of that shit since seventh grade
You got your heart broke; life sucks, doesn't it
But you shouldn't fuck up someone else's life because of it
Someone did your mother like that, that's why you're fatherless
Before jail or racist cops, that's what the problem is
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2008, 03:05:37 PM
I wouldn't tell nobody he or she should be monogamous, just don't sleep around when you have a girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband. I really don't accept that kind of shiet.

Isn't that up to the people whom it concerns? And how about so called "free" relationships? I say people should do whatever the fuck they think is right. If that includes cheating, well alright. Just don't bother me by boasting about it :P
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2008, 03:10:35 PM
I wouldn't call my partner a girlfriend in a free relationship. It would just be the person I fuck most or something. "Main bitch". Not girlfriend, let alone wife. And no, to the other part of your statement. But you can have your own opinion.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 26, 2008, 03:11:05 PM
I wouldn't tell nobody he or she should be monogamous, just don't sleep around when you have a girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband. I really don't accept that kind of shiet.

Quote
Most players are only players cause they got played
And have not let go of that shit since seventh grade
You got your heart broke; life sucks, doesn't it
But you shouldn't fuck up someone else's life because of it
Someone did your mother like that, that's why you're fatherless
Before jail or racist cops, that's what the problem is


That's the truth. Last thang that ever should be accepted is cheating when you married and shit. :nawty: I have no respect for people who do that. No matter who you are...
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2008, 03:24:19 PM
I wouldn't call my partner a girlfriend in a free relationship. It would just be the person I fuck most or something. "Main bitch". Not girlfriend, let alone wife. And no, to the other part of your statement. But you can have your own opinion.

Well, there's people who (say they) really love each other and who are really into each other, but they don't attach so much value to monogamy - they don't mind their partner getting some joy with someone else. What do you think all those clubs for couples are for? They can be happily married, yet getting their fuck on like they're from fraternities and sororities.

I don't mind people doing whatever they think is right. That doesn't mean that I approve of any promiscuosity - not at all. People are free to fuck around, if that's what they think is right, but that doesn't mean I won't despise them for behaving in a way of which I strongly disapprove. Whatever flows your boat though...
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2008, 04:02:35 PM
I wouldn't call my partner a girlfriend in a free relationship. It would just be the person I fuck most or something. "Main bitch". Not girlfriend, let alone wife. And no, to the other part of your statement. But you can have your own opinion.

Well, there's people who (say they) really love each other and who are really into each other, but they don't attach so much value to monogamy - they don't mind their partner getting some joy with someone else. What do you think all those clubs for couples are for? They can be happily married, yet getting their fuck on like they're from fraternities and sororities.

I don't mind people doing whatever they think is right. That doesn't mean that I approve of any promiscuosity - not at all. People are free to fuck around, if that's what they think is right, but that doesn't mean I won't despise them for behaving in a way of which I strongly disapprove. Whatever flows your boat though...

1. This is something I can't quite relate to, cause I'm not like that at all, but if it's not cheating and shit, and really as chilled out and mutual as you describe it there, then I don't have a problem with it. Maybe I should have been more explicit in my initial statement.

2. This is something we can never agree on, because I'm not down with that anarchist type of mentality at all. Do I mind people doing whatever the fuck they want? If it's something fucked up, you can bet your ass I do.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Elevz on June 26, 2008, 04:49:05 PM
I wouldn't call my partner a girlfriend in a free relationship. It would just be the person I fuck most or something. "Main bitch". Not girlfriend, let alone wife. And no, to the other part of your statement. But you can have your own opinion.

Well, there's people who (say they) really love each other and who are really into each other, but they don't attach so much value to monogamy - they don't mind their partner getting some joy with someone else. What do you think all those clubs for couples are for? They can be happily married, yet getting their fuck on like they're from fraternities and sororities.

I don't mind people doing whatever they think is right. That doesn't mean that I approve of any promiscuosity - not at all. People are free to fuck around, if that's what they think is right, but that doesn't mean I won't despise them for behaving in a way of which I strongly disapprove. Whatever flows your boat though...

1. This is something I can't quite relate to, cause I'm not like that at all, but if it's not cheating and shit, and really as chilled out and mutual as you describe it there, then I don't have a problem with it. Maybe I should have been more explicit in my initial statement.

2. This is something we can never agree on, because I'm not down with that anarchist type of mentality at all. Do I mind people doing whatever the fuck they want? If it's something fucked up, you can bet your ass I do.

Then who's to decide if something's fucked up? I say people can only do it for themselves. Who else is to set the standards, and what if the standards seem unnatural to you? Wouldn't you follow your own path, without taking other peoples hurt feelings into consideration?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: 7even on June 26, 2008, 05:02:13 PM
I wouldn't call my partner a girlfriend in a free relationship. It would just be the person I fuck most or something. "Main bitch". Not girlfriend, let alone wife. And no, to the other part of your statement. But you can have your own opinion.

Well, there's people who (say they) really love each other and who are really into each other, but they don't attach so much value to monogamy - they don't mind their partner getting some joy with someone else. What do you think all those clubs for couples are for? They can be happily married, yet getting their fuck on like they're from fraternities and sororities.

I don't mind people doing whatever they think is right. That doesn't mean that I approve of any promiscuosity - not at all. People are free to fuck around, if that's what they think is right, but that doesn't mean I won't despise them for behaving in a way of which I strongly disapprove. Whatever flows your boat though...

1. This is something I can't quite relate to, cause I'm not like that at all, but if it's not cheating and shit, and really as chilled out and mutual as you describe it there, then I don't have a problem with it. Maybe I should have been more explicit in my initial statement.

2. This is something we can never agree on, because I'm not down with that anarchist type of mentality at all. Do I mind people doing whatever the fuck they want? If it's something fucked up, you can bet your ass I do.

Then who's to decide if something's fucked up? I say people can only do it for themselves. Who else is to set the standards, and what if the standards seem unnatural to you? Wouldn't you follow your own path, without taking other peoples hurt feelings into consideration?

Only the next man goes to hell, and I damn sure don't bemoan the loss of that immoral ass nigga. But even besides that, I doubt that a healthy person would find everything that I would call "fucked up" right even if he or she does it. Some people don't go for the right thing, but for the fun thing.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 27, 2008, 04:44:20 PM
And if anyone would care to elaborate, I would be very interested to hear why staying single for sexual purposes is "shallow."

It's shallow because, frankly, there IS more to life, and to being with women, than just sex. If that's your attitude, then it's basically like saying sex is the only thing you think women are good for. That, I hope you would agree, really is a totally adolescent, and even misogynist, mentality. And people who do live like that don't always wind up being happy in the long run.

Personally, I disagree with Mitt Romney's claim that "you don't need sex; you just think you do", because obviously that's not true, either. I actually WOULD go so far as to say that if you're married to a woman who you can't get hard for, and your marriage is suffering for it, you do actually need to think long and hard about whether her personality makes up for her lack of, uh, "sexually stimulating" characteristics (some columnist's words, not mine). Whether that leads to separation and/or divorce is another matter.

So, to sum it up, my attitude is, Yes, you do need sex to be happy, but at the same time, there's more to life than sex. Being stuck with a woman you don't like and don't find attractive, for the "moral superiority" of being monogamous = bullshit. Staying single just so that you can fuck a random stranger every night = also bullshit. Find the balance, and find what suits you.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on June 28, 2008, 03:36:56 PM
And if anyone would care to elaborate, I would be very interested to hear why staying single for sexual purposes is "shallow."

It's shallow because, frankly, there IS more to life, and to being with women, than just sex. If that's your attitude, then it's basically like saying sex is the only thing you think women are good for. That, I hope you would agree, really is a totally adolescent, and even misogynist, mentality. And people who do live like that don't always wind up being happy in the long run.


Well first of all, you're simply assuming someone who doesn't want to be with only one person thinks all there is to life is sex. That is seriously flawed logic and it also doesn't mean you think all a woman is good for is sex. Where are you getting these assumptions? To me, making these types of sweeping generalizations about a huge group of people is shallow. And regarding people being happy, people who are in committed relationships often end up miserable. What is your point? People whose foundation of happiness is based squarely on their sexual habits/relationships are probably not going to be happy no matter what.

Anyone else care to explain the logic behind saying anything but monogamous committed relationships are shallow?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on June 29, 2008, 07:36:52 PM
Well first of all, you're simply assuming someone who doesn't want to be with only one person thinks all there is to life is sex. That is seriously flawed logic and it also doesn't mean you think all a woman is good for is sex. Where are you getting these assumptions? To me, making these types of sweeping generalizations about a huge group of people is shallow.

I don't see how it doesn't follow. I mean, that person clearly values sex more than just about anything else they could or would get out of a relationship.

And regarding people being happy, people who are in committed relationships often end up miserable. What is your point? People whose foundation of happiness is based squarely on their sexual habits/relationships are probably not going to be happy no matter what.

Yes, that is my point exactly. Though I have also tried to demonstrate a more nuanced view by explaining that I understand how sex can make or break a relationship.

Anyone else care to explain the logic behind saying anything but monogamous committed relationships are shallow?

I dunno about any of these other people, but I sure as hell never said that. Personally, I'm not interested in a committed relationship right now (though my reason has nothing to do with wanting to fuck a lot of women).
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on July 01, 2008, 02:32:27 AM
Well first of all, you're simply assuming someone who doesn't want to be with only one person thinks all there is to life is sex. That is seriously flawed logic and it also doesn't mean you think all a woman is good for is sex. Where are you getting these assumptions? To me, making these types of sweeping generalizations about a huge group of people is shallow.

I don't see how it doesn't follow. I mean, that person clearly values sex more than just about anything else they could or would get out of a relationship.

 And maybe nothing that comes from a relationship would appeal to the person in question. Relationships are not for everybody. Just because somebody is not interested in a relationship does not mean they are shallow. I don't follow your logic.

Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on July 01, 2008, 07:31:11 AM
And maybe nothing that comes from a relationship would appeal to the person in question. Relationships are not for everybody. Just because somebody is not interested in a relationship does not mean they are shallow. I don't follow your logic.

But that's not what I said.  I simply said that wanting to stay single to sleep around is shallow.  I didn't say people who aren't interested in relationships are shallow.  Otherwise, I would insulting myself.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on July 01, 2008, 05:17:58 PM
^^^That doesn't make sense though. How does staying single to sleep around = shallow? Is that better or worse than getting into a relationship knowing you are going to sleep around?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Narrator on July 02, 2008, 06:45:52 AM
^^^That doesn't make sense though. How does staying single to sleep around = shallow? Is that better or worse than getting into a relationship knowing you are going to sleep around?

You aren't making sense.  Are you saying that people who get into relationships always are going to "sleep around"?
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on July 07, 2008, 12:15:22 PM
^^^That doesn't make sense though. How does staying single to sleep around = shallow? Is that better or worse than getting into a relationship knowing you are going to sleep around?

You aren't making sense.  Are you saying that people who get into relationships always are going to "sleep around"?

no, I'm saying if someone is inclined to sleep around, isn't it better for them no stay out of a relationship? Knowing yourself and making personal decisions accordingly is hardly shallow.
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: 7even on July 07, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
^Lol@this nigga waiting to respond until the other dude is gone
Title: Re: Monagamy A Myth?
Post by: Turf Hitta on July 13, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
^Lol@this nigga waiting to respond until the other dude is gone

no better way to win an argument!  ;D