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Title: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: KVB on June 18, 2002, 09:44:55 PM
I'm shocked y'all... I was recently bumping Cam's new album, and I would have said it was pretty tight. But my opinion changed when I heard these lines from track 4, called "Live My Life" featuring Daz. Read this:


"I'll be damned if I work for some white cracker (shit)
White batter, prize in the pack, fiends love
They hug it, call it Cracker Jacks, KILLA
Where the crack is at, watch me get dem dice
Throw 'em on, let me live my life"



Obscene, discriminating lyrics... it's like Eminem would have said "Fuckin' nigga" in his raps, totally unacceptable... I suggest nobody here buy this Cam'ron album ( which I regret to have:(), or even better, don't support him at all... abandon his music. At least that's what I've done.

Peace
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Trauma-san on June 18, 2002, 10:00:25 PM
On "Git Up, Git Out" on outkast's first cds, Andre starts his verse off "They tell me I should vote... Why? Ain't nobody black runnin' for president, Just Crackers"

LOL

Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Trauma-san on June 18, 2002, 10:01:10 PM
Not to mention, everybody's favorite

"So break the white man off somethi'n lovely, I don't love him so them can't love me" - Snoop Dogg
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: KVB on June 18, 2002, 10:10:48 PM
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On "Git Up, Git Out" on outkast's first cds, Andre starts his verse off "They tell me I should vote... Why? Ain't nobody black runnin' for president, Just Crackers"

LOL



Really... amazing, I actually got that album. Guess I never perceived Andre saying that. On the other hand, I can understand him. He was most likely the victim of racial discrimination and oppression in the South in his youth. He just needed to release some aggression. He is forgiven.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: S.G.V. on June 18, 2002, 10:52:00 PM
does anyone find it funny though?...cuz imagine if a white or latino rapper actually said something similar about blacks?....that would be considered uttterly racist and it probably would get banned....but oh well thats how life is....
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: West Coast Veteran on June 19, 2002, 05:58:48 AM
Peep an early Ice Cube album.

Cam is known to be a racist. He made a whole song dissin' Oriental store owners on his first album and he even admits that "Cam is a big racist" on Nore's "Banned From T.V."
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: .:R-E-L:. on June 19, 2002, 06:11:22 AM
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does anyone find it funny though?...cuz imagine if a white or latino rapper actually said something similar about blacks?....that would be considered uttterly racist and it probably would get banned....but oh well thats how life is....



word.....thats jus life
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: KVB on June 19, 2002, 06:45:23 AM
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Peep an early Ice Cube album.

Cam is known to be a racist. He made a whole song dissin' Oriental store owners on his first album and he even admits that "Cam is a big racist" on Nore's "Banned From T.V."


Fair enough... but this is 2002... with successful white rappers emerging on the hip-hop scene, shouldn't the hiphop culture be devoid of racism? Every non-white rapper saying "cracker" is dissing Eminem & Bubba Sparxxx, for example. It's fucked up... :-/
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: smartass on June 19, 2002, 07:05:27 AM
thats nothin new for him. he's been sayin stupid shit like that ever since he was apart of children of the corn but thats back when him & mase were good.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: HBKid_Jr on June 19, 2002, 07:07:24 AM
fuck all tha black activist that talk about how all white man r racist yet a black rapper goes out an says racist comments.  Fuck that
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: CodeCaine on June 19, 2002, 07:35:57 AM
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I'm shocked y'all... I was recently bumping Cam's new album, and I would have said it was pretty tight. But my opinion changed when I heard these lines from track 4, called "Live My Life" featuring Daz. Read this:


"I'll be damned if I work for some white cracker (shit)
White batter, prize in the pack, fiends love
They hug it, call it Cracker Jacks, KILLA
Where the crack is at, watch me get dem dice
Throw 'em on, let me live my life"



Obscene, discriminating lyrics... it's like Eminem would have said "Fuckin' nigga" in his raps, totally unacceptable... I suggest nobody here buy this Cam'ron album ( which I regret to have:(), or even better, don't support him at all... abandon his music. At least that's what I've done.

Peace


i been listenin to his album alot and i noticed that too...there is alot of racism in rap....yall remeber that chinese rapper Jin from bet? in one of his battles tha other guy just made fun of him for being chinese tha whole time and tha crowd loved it....jada kiss is sayin cracker too...heres his lyrics from fantastic 4 pt 2 on clues professional part 2

so I dont flip when the crackers wave checks in my facin

its fucked up but it aint gonna change
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Trauma-san on June 19, 2002, 08:04:32 AM
"Y'all tellin me that I need to get out and vote, huh. Why?
Ain't nobody black runnin but crackers, so, why I got to register?" - Andre 3000

I checked just to make sure, that's what he says.

I don't really take offense, even at snoop's comment.  
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on June 19, 2002, 09:24:14 AM
Yeah, racism is fucked up, period. I hate all types of racism, it sickens me to think that it's still evident these days but thats just the way it is. Look at 2Pac, he said quite alot of racist things towards whites in his music and in interviews, but it was aimed mostly at the white supremists and the rich white folk that often misunderstood young black people and the whole hip-hop culture. I wouldn't take it personally because in many cases the artists that once made those racist comments (Cube, 'Pac, Snoop etc) grew up and now have friendships with white people. People who grow up around racist people only know of the social stereotypes of different races, but I think we all know that stereotypes are worthless, it's about the person not the colour.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: .:R-E-L:. on June 19, 2002, 09:26:37 AM
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"Y'all tellin me that I need to get out and vote, huh. Why?
Ain't nobody black runnin but crackers, so, why I got to register?" - Andre 3000

I checked just to make sure, that's what he says.

I don't really take offense, even at snoop's comment.  


i dont take offense 2 it either...i jus thinks its really fuckin hypocrtical
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Trauma-san on June 19, 2002, 09:56:31 AM
Yea, I feel the same way, it's hypocritical, but just like a black guy can't be president, a white guy's gonna get called a cracker, and it'll be alright in most people's eyes.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Young Dan Iza on June 19, 2002, 10:30:39 AM
camron sux, ma$e was better
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on June 19, 2002, 12:40:00 PM
yeh but yo, dont forget y'all whites started racism at us black folkes so we jus say to me he jus sayin what he feels, believe it or not, 2 me us niggaz always gonna be second rate in a white dominated area,

and no i aint racist, i jus feel what summa they say
peace
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on June 19, 2002, 12:58:53 PM
no point in takin it personally.

it's stupid tho, i got white friends who hate it when rappers say 'N****' in songs, they find it offensive...but for what reason, i dont know....

Cams stupid tho, esp since it's mostly white people that got him in his position he's in now...personally i don't like him cuz his music's shit, but that IMO
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: S.G.V. on June 19, 2002, 04:09:29 PM
racism just makes me laugh...it doesnt offend me one bit
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: CodeCaine on June 19, 2002, 04:59:46 PM
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yeh but yo, dont forget y'all whites started racism at us black folkes so we jus say to me he jus sayin what he feels, believe it or not, 2 me us niggaz always gonna be second rate in a white dominated area,

and no i aint racist, i jus feel what summa they say
peace


No Us whites didnt start racism toward yall black folks...our ancestors maybe have but dont say it wuz us, it wuznt our generation...i aint tryin to beef but i hate it people try to blame tha white people of this generation for racism, i know sum whites are racist but theres racists in every race
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Cliftone_Santiago_909 on June 19, 2002, 07:16:10 PM
I was watching a T.V show about this the other day. they were talking about the exact same thing, double standards in racism. Like that baseball player John Rocker who's from tha braves.. he gets shitted on alot for sayin racist comments. But then you got Mike Tyson... he'll tell reporters shit like "You Pussy Ass White Boy.. I'll Eat Your Fuckin Kids White Boy.. PUSSY!".... you know, Mike alwayz says shit like that and nobody ever gets on him.


That Camron thing is kind of different though. If you read his rap he's talking about not working for white people. He's on Roc-A-Fella... supposibly owned by black people and he's just sayin that he's not about making the White Man rich with his music.


Tha thing that you all got to understand though is that Black people and other minorities are oppressed. It aint like they're just whining to be whining. I know it wasn't your generation of white people who were making them slaves n shit but still... it did happen. It's like... that's tha LEAST ya'll can do... just take a couple negative comments, a couple racial slurs... aint no biggie... at least you aint pickin cotton, gettin raped, in 100 degree weather.





Tha shit he's sayin aint even all that offensive... check it out...


"I'll be damned if I work for some white cracker (shit)
White batter, prize in the pack, fiends love
They hug it, call it Cracker Jacks, KILLA
Where the crack is at, watch me get dem dice
Throw 'em on, let me live my life"  


1st line: He's saying he won't work for a white man. Most likely becuase of tha oppression and also simply just because nobody likes being used.

2nd & 3rd Line: He's sayin he's not a sell out. He aint gonna front just to blow up.

4th and 5th Lines: He's sayin he's gonna make his money the way he knows how.. even if it means hustling. He doesn't want to live his life the way tha goverment (white people) want him too...He's just tryna live... Just let him live..  
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: infinite59 on June 19, 2002, 08:52:56 PM
It's okay when Outkast, Ras Kass, and Snoop say it.

But when Camron says it it's wrong and I'm pissed, and I'd call him on it.  Camron is just a typical middle class black kid I see everyday, he should be working UPS and going to Community College.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on June 19, 2002, 09:18:05 PM
If those 4 lines are racist 2 white people then what about tha whole "lets get free" album by Dead Prez? lol.....

Camron is a fake ass anywayz.....Dont mind him.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: lala on June 19, 2002, 09:57:43 PM
I wonder if the same people crying about rappers talking about crackers get in an uproar about the same rapper talking about killing niggas, and smacking bitches.  

If you listen to cam and thats what offends you, your soft anyway, he has way worse shit on there about women and other black men anyway.

Recommended Listening:  Da Lench Mob - "Buck the Devil"
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: tuwac_shakur on June 19, 2002, 10:55:57 PM
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Camron is a fake ass anywayz.....Dont mind him.



how do you know he is fake?

you have been on the internet way too long my friend.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on June 20, 2002, 12:36:02 AM
racism shouldn't be allowed full stop...a lot of u would be pissed if eminem started sayin fuck the black man...and 'WHITE POWER'

so why's it ok for black people to do pretty much the same???

rappers have a go at white people for oppresion...but think about it, white people have the right to look down on them, because rap is hardly a civilised kind of art now is it? black people talk about equality, but then the main thing that promates black culture is rap...and generally when someone hears the word rap. they hear black angry youth's...and so white people are hardly gonna respect them....
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: The Watcher on June 20, 2002, 04:18:21 PM
i think the most racist person in hiphop today without a doubt in ras kass
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on June 20, 2002, 05:06:57 PM
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you have been on the internet way too long my friend.


Fabolus << Take that dick outta yo ass for a minute.....
U dun know nuttin bout me kid, dun even try.....





Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Smooth on June 20, 2002, 09:58:57 PM
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Camron is a fake ass anywayz.....Dont mind him.

Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Trauma-san on June 20, 2002, 11:07:22 PM
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Tha thing that you all got to understand though is that Black people ......  are oppressed.


BWAH HAHAHA HAHHAHA AHAHAHAH
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: verbalassaulta on June 21, 2002, 03:44:20 AM
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yeh but yo, dont forget y'all whites started racism at us black folkes so we jus say to me he jus sayin what he feels, believe it or not, 2 me us niggaz always gonna be second rate in a white dominated area,

and no i aint racist, i jus feel what summa they say
peace





what the fuck do you mean???  quit bitching and complaining.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: King-Suge on June 21, 2002, 07:39:36 PM
There is a double standard in the United States.  Blacks can hate on whites but if the whites say anything that might offend black folks, all hell will break loose.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: shlomid1 on June 21, 2002, 09:12:07 PM
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Camron is a fake ass anywayz.....Dont mind him.

Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: eNgIeS on June 22, 2002, 02:37:19 AM
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There is a double standard in the United States.  Blacks can hate on whites but if the whites say anything that might offend black folks, all hell will break loose.


Its not just in USA.

Over here it happens with just about every other colour, esspecially Turk's, Arab's, Greek's, Italian's & other euro's
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on June 22, 2002, 12:16:36 PM
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There is a double standard in the United States.  Blacks can hate on whites but if the whites say anything that might offend black folks, all hell will break loose.

Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: mafia_fox on June 23, 2002, 10:10:57 AM
i used to think snoop was racist coz of things said in his music and becoz he never seem to work with any white people ... but i notice that now he has his own company he is working with more white people and even has more white people in his videos and stuff .. maybe it was the record companys fault ?
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: ROCCY on June 23, 2002, 10:46:32 PM
This is what I dont get check it, For Example BET= *Black Entertainment Television*

Now Just Imagine some white people making WET= *White Entertainment Television*

black people would call it racism, I mean WTF? when Black people Do crap about whites, it aint racism, when whites do it about blacks its racist...another Example The movies called "Undercover Brother" Its al about black people..and If white people make a movie like that, about blacks, they would call it "Racist" I dunno, this is something I dont get...weird shit, u gotta live with it Though, Peace..
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: ROCCY on June 23, 2002, 10:49:55 PM
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Camron is a fake ass anywayz.....Dont mind him.


Werd homie..peace
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: tuwac_shakur on June 23, 2002, 10:56:39 PM
ohhh i get it. camron disses whites so now he is fake.

lol, you guys are fruitcakes.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: tuwac_shakur on June 24, 2002, 12:20:15 AM
"Cats like you, call you a Gladiator
Give her oral and you happy, GLAD-HE-ATE-HER"

"You souped up, think I'm easy, to touch
Then you've been watchin' a little bit of TV, too much"

"Right back to the block and cock, it ain't hop and scotch
It's pop and scotch, in a bar they go shot for shot,
Matter of fact, outside the bar they go shot for shot
Me and my codie on a O-Z, we go rock for rock,
Me and my codie on a role we go rock for rock"

"On the corner still, like I ain't got a dime
Autographs not the kind to be signin' the crap,
Here's a CD, slash here's a dime of that crack (THAT's 20 DOLLARS)"

"My rude ass, carries 3 weapons
And I'll give your face a c-section and keep stepping"

"Imagine me wake up 7:30 for work (what?!)
I'd rather run the streets 7:30 with work"

"But met this knucklehead, thought he want a order
Came and asked me stop pitching to his daughter
Serious this man can't be
Be glad I'm not in her damn panties
Got her damn handy
How you going to ever ask stop carrying candy
I'm going to sell to anybody in your damn family
Your Uncle Tom, your Aunt Tammy, your Grandmammy
Your right hand man Randy, understand me"

"Ayo one time came through, grabbed me a chicken
Took L advice, slap me a chicken
But my girl don't need no type of brains
Just get down, gimme some type of brains"

"Females, go 'head, act surprised
ya'll like sex more than guys
pop the question, they get silly
you got your period? "umm, not really"
whats that mean to be polite?
"It's the last day and it's real light"
yeah right, you leak leaky
call me next week, I'm not that freaky"

"Cars impounded, New York must stop bitin and start writin
And start malice
When the **** we start bouncin?"

"Yo I get dough any way
I can flow any way
Yo you rap about money, man, who are you anyway?
C'mon, all my jewels ice and gray
And ***** might I say
I'm Mister Rogers status, change twice a day
Any beef you let me know, I'll be there right away
And when I'm rhyming, I've always got the right of way
I got some cats that'll come down here right away
To take your ass right away
Believe me you could die today"

"I like my dishes deep, I like when I twist a freak
I like when her man find out, wanna call Cam's house
Laugh when he went for me; I tell him
"Women are trife - yeah I been in your wife
But do me a favor, dog don't call here again in your life
I'm killa' "

"Yo I advise you to step son, before I fuck ya moms and make you my stepson!"

"That's when I hit'em with a little bit a PuertoRican Judo, and Ju Don't Know..."

you get a suit and tie why to do what paperwork?
fukk with me i'll show u how this paper works"

"i get stupid tho, don't you get stupid tho, oh no habla ingles stupido"

"When I Shoot It's No Block Sorta like a Free Throw Can't Miss/ If One of you *****s burn me and i can't piss/ Got me Itchin' Like it's Dandriff you gonna see the back of Cam's Hand quick you damn *****/

"Back In The Days We Was Slaves Wit Whips And Chains/
It's Tradition All I got is Whips and Chains"

"But I, got a girl, we all call her "Licka"
Cuz she drink liquor, let another girl lick her
If you licky, licky, we all could play
But I don't eat nothing that can walk away"


^^^ i thought i'd just drop some cam lines for all the gays out there!





Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: HBKid_Jr on June 24, 2002, 12:24:09 AM
im not a fan of cam i think his album is average at best,  but how is he a fake.  Let me guess he aint bangin crip or blood
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: smartass on June 24, 2002, 05:20:50 AM
cam has been trash ever since he left c.o.c...

"Yo! Imma run hestrically, till they bury me, count numerically
hills of Beverly, more grands than cherokee
president like Eric B., and Rakim
Drug game I'm top ten, locked in , right now its not an option
and those who creep, got the Mac in the heat
they got the 5 inch screens in the back of the seat
and now they got to steady braggin
last year, had me saggin', wasn't ready when heavy
was back tossed in the paddywagon
but ain't nobody out here stoppin love
cause we was 12 years old in the Cotton Club, poppin Bub
so Hall of Fame without the fortune, Goddamn you wrong
Killa kid Cam'ron surviving in the Amazon"

^he won't make a verse like that as long as he's on a mainstream influenced label.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: Sikotic™ on June 24, 2002, 03:14:41 PM
Why get mad at him. If he wants to be ignorant then fine. At least he is speakin what's on his mind and I respect him for that.

Fuck him for his views though.
Title: Re: Racism evident in Cam'ron's music
Post by: That_Cracka_J on June 26, 2002, 06:38:23 PM
I think that one of the biggest things wrong with America today is that we cater to other cultures calling people Mexican-American, African American, Aisian American, Europeon-American.....to me, if you become a citizen of this country or ARE a citizen of this country, then you are just plain AMERICAN!  And while America is busy worrying about affirmative action and political correctness in the workplace, other countries are moving ahead of us economically and technically.----I'm kinda goin' off on a tangent a bit, but I feel it goes with the discussion.