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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Chad Vader on August 02, 2008, 06:21:47 AM
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This is a open letter to The Source Magazine.
There has several attacks to The Source magazines East Coast/West Coast biased ass reviews and ratings. (and other Hip Hop publications)
There's only 9 West Coast albums on your classic list,
5 of them is produced by Dr.Dre,there's two 2Pac albums and two Ice Cube albums.
Does this mean that the West Coast has (had) three artists that has enough talent to make a classic album?
I found a thread on this West Coast board;
www.dubcc.com that is the one of the most if not most important voice for the West Coast Hip Hop music scene.
Where cats have posted their 5/5 albums.
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
I have gone trough the thread and added all the albums they have posted to a poll where they can vote five times each.
Sure there's some biased ass opinions in there (here) but read trough the lines.
I'm sure they have missed a couple of releases,
if it get´s out of hand I will close this thread and add whatever that's not on the pool and do a new thread.
I'm sure the moderators of this board can merge the threads if that time comes.
Well,I let the dubCC comunity members do the rest of the talking....
To the dubCC comunity members;
My idea for this thread is to voice our opinion about The Source Magazine's biased ass reviews and ratings about West Coast albums.
Maybe they will re-do their list like they have done before?
Do I think they will listen to a open letter/thread that I/we will mail to them?
Yes and no,but it's worth a shot ain't it?
There's way too many West Coast albums that has been overlooked.
I have just copied and pasted
whatever albums you "all" have posted in this thread;
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
If there's mad albums that it's not on the list and albums that should NOT be on that list.
What albums should be considered in the classics pool? What albums should NOT be there?
I'll just close this thread and do a new thread and include whatever albums that's missing (if you feel theres albums missing).
So what West Coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines Classics list?
Here's The Source Magazine classic Hip Hop album list;
The Source's 5 Mic Albums
Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.
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It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.
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Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube
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Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube
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The Chronic by Dr. Dre
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Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg
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Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac
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The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
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Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
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Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim
There´s 5 votes each and you can change your vote if you want
I trimed the list down from the previous poll to the ones that got at least 3 votes,here´s the previous poll;
The Lady Of Rage; Neccessary Roughness 0 (0%)
pharcyde-bizarre ride to the pharcyde 4 (0.8%)
Ice Cube; Predator 7 (1.5%)
Xzibit; At The Speed Of Lif 7 (1.5%)
ATL- Uncle Sams Curse 10 (2.1%)
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas 11 (2.3%)
Eazy-E- Its On 5 (1.1%)
Eazy-E- Str8 Off The Streetz Of Muthaphuckkin Compton 4 (0.8%)
Kokane- Funk Upon A Rhyme 3 (0.6%)
K-Dee- Ass, Gas, Or Cash 0 (0%)
MC Ren- Shock Of The Hour 1 (0.2%)
NWA- Niggaz4Life 30 (6.3%)
Suga Free- Street Gospel 5 (1.1%)
Twinz- Conversation 7 (1.5%)
Warren G- Regulate.. G Funk Era 40 (8.4%)
Westside Connection- Bow Down 23 (4.9%)
Lil Chill - Aint No Luv Lost 0 (0%)
C-Funk - 3D Ear Pleasure 0 (0%)
Royal T - Coast 2 Coast 0 (0%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of the Siccness 13 (2.7%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Loaded 1 (0.2%)
X Raided - Xorcist 1 (0.2%)
Mr. Doctor - Setripn Bloccstyle 0 (0%)
Young Lay - Black N Dangerous 0 (0%)
Mac Mall - Untouchable 2 (0.4%)
Ray Luv - Forever Hustlin 1 (0.2%)
Dru Down - Can You Feel Me 2 (0.4%)
G~Mo - Ballin 4 Life 0 (0%)
Mausberg - Non Fiction 2 (0.4%)
11/5 - Fiendin 4 the Funk 1 (0.2%)
Dre Dog - I Hate You With A Passion 4 (0.8%)
Mass 187 - Real Trues Paying Dues 0 (0%)
C Bo - Tales From the Crypt & Till My Casket Drops 2 (0.4%)
E~40 - In a Major Way 3 (0.6%)
G.L.P. - Straight Out the Labb 0 (0%)
Spice 1 - Amerikkka's Nightmare 7 (1.5%)
Spice 1 1990-Sick 0 (0%)
Spice 1 187 He Wrote. 5 (1.1%)
G-Ism - On A Mission 0 (0%)
Warren G - G Funk Era 8 (1.7%)
Thug Life-Talez, Volume 1 2 (0.4%)
Warren G-take a look over your shoulder 0 (0%)
Ras Kass - Soul On Ice 6 (1.3%)
Above The Law - Black Mafia Life 3 (0.6%)
Quik - Safe & Sound 11 (2.3%)
Quik - Rhythm-al-ism 17 (3.6%)
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food 35 (7.4%)
2pac- Better Dayz 1 (0.2%)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It 11 (2.3%)
Ice-T - Original Gangster 4 (0.8%)
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill 6 (1.3%)
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday 7 (1.5%)
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha 16 (3.4%)
Xzibit - At the speed of Life 3 (0.6%)
2Pac - R U Still Down 2 (0.4%)
Skee-Lo - I Wish 1 (0.2%)
TQ-They Never Saw Me Coming 4 (0.8%)
TQ-The Second Coming 1 (0.2%)
Potna Deuce - Heron Soup 0 (0%)
Pizzo - Heaterman 0 (0%)
UDI - Drinks on us 0 (0%)
Mafiosos - Fo tha Money 0 (0%)
Xzibit - Restless 6 (1.3%)
The Game - The Documantry 15 (3.2%)
daz dillinger - R.A.W 2 (0.4%)
daz dillinger - retaliation revenge & get back 5 (1.1%)
eastsidaz - duces and trays ...the old fashioned way 2 (0.4%)
Snoop Dogg No Limit Top Dogg 0 (0%)
Snoop Dogg Tha Last Mea 2 (0.4%)
Ice Cube; War & Peace (vol. 2) 0 (0%)
Daz; Retaliation, Revenge & Get Bacc 1 (0.2%)
Dj Quik - Balance & Options 1 (0.2%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel 4 (0.8%)
Nate Dogg - Music and Me 1 (0.2%)
Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme 0 (0%)
Soopafly; Dat Whoopty Woop 1 (0.2%)
Ice-t-Power 1 (0.2%)
213-213 1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg-R and G 0 (0%)
Dj Quick -Quick is the name 3 (0.6%)
Xzibit-40 dayz and 40 night 4 (0.8%)
N.W.A. -100 miles and running 4 (0.8%)
2nd II None - 220 0 (0%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel 1 (0.2%)
Penthouse Players Clique - Paid The Cost 1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg - Doggfather 8 (1.7%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - Don't Fight The Feelin' (She's A Sell Out) 1 (0.2%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - 4 Tay Is Back 0 (0%)
Tha Eastsidaz - Tha Eastsidaz 4 (0.8%)
MC Ren-The Villian in black 1 (0.2%)
cypress hill-temple of boom 6 (1.3%)
the click-game related 1 (0.2%)
luni coleone-total recall 0 (0%)
mac mall-illegal business 4 (0.8%)
n2deep-the golden state 0 (0%)
Lil 1/2 Dead; The Dead Has Arisen 3 (0.6%)
C-Bo & Killa Tay - Moment Of Truth 0 (0%)
Swoop G- Undisputed 0 (0%)
Bad Azz- Word On Tha Streetz 1 (0.2%)
Dj Pooh- Bad News Travelz Fast 1 (0.2%)
Suga Free/Mausberg- The Konnectid Project 1 (0.2%)
E-40- In A Major Way 5 (1.1%)
E-40- The Hall Of Game 4 (0.8%)
Too Short- Get In Where U Fit In 12 (2.5%)
Too Short- Gettin It 2 (0.4%)
Too Short- Cocktails 5 (1.1%)
The Twinz- Conversation 0 (0%)
Celly Cel- The G Filez 0 (0%)
Celly Cel- Killa Kali 0 (0%)
Spice 1- The Black Bossalinie 2 (0.4%)
Hieroglyphics-3rd Eye Vision 2 (0.4%)
Brotha Lynch Hung; 24 Deep 1 (0.2%)
BattleCat Gumbo Roots 0 (0%)
Casual Fear Itself 1 (0.2%)
5 Footaz Worldwide 1 (0.2%)
Ant Banks The Big Badass 0 (0%)
Domino Domino 1 (0.2%)
ATL Living Like Hustlers 0 (0%)
Foesum Perfection 6 (1.3%)
Funkdoobiest Which Doobie U Be? 0 (0%)
KAM Made In America 4 (0.8%)
KAM Neva Again 1 (0.2%)
All From Tha I All Frum Tha I 0 (0%)
Mad CJ Mac True Game 0 (0%)
Paris Guerrilla Funk 0 (0%)
SCC South Central Madness 0 (0%)
Sicx Dead4 Life 2 (0.4%)
Record Report interview with Reginald C. Dennis,Music Editor on how The Source rate records
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”Put Ya Mics Where Ya Mouth Is” January 2001 NO.136
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Anatomy of a classic album in The Source August 2003 NO.167
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Convos about Chronic 2001;
I was disappointed almost all the verses on the album, except the Eminem ones
Dre SO should have kept the Royce verses for Way I Be Pimpin - those verses were better than everything on the album, except Em's verses
Snoop's shit was real tired and cliche, same with Kurupt. Hittman is a snooze-fest... Devin The Dude was nice though, his stuff can stay
Not all of the beats were dope, there's quite a few fillers... those were the main problems more critics found with the album (content and fillers) and why it got a lot mostly 4/5 stars and not 5/5 stars
Hittman a snooze-fest?!!!!! what the fuck you on. You also telling me Snoop was wack on Next Episode? Give me a break.
I was disappointed almost all the verses on the album, except the Eminem ones
Dre SO should have kept the Royce verses for Way I Be Pimpin - those verses were better than everything on the album, except Em's verses
Snoop's shit was real tired and cliche, same with Kurupt. Hittman is a snooze-fest... Devin The Dude was nice though, his stuff can stay
Not all of the beats were dope, there's quite a few fillers... those were the main problems more critics found with the album (content and fillers) and why it got a lot mostly 4/5 stars and not 5/5 stars
idiot
lol that was uncalled for, relax, UCC is a reasonable person so i assume he was sarcastic with some of his comments ;)
anyway, UCC, you don't like Hittman?
Come on, what's good about Hittman though, someone break it down for me. He's not really lyrical, he doesn't have an interesting flow or voice, he's ok, but come on most HipHop heads were not feeling Hittman... no one is gonna bring him up in a dope MC discussion, but Royce and Em are known as incredible lyricists - and Kurupt is too, he just decided to kick some bland stuff on 2001
2001 was HEAVILY criticized by REAL HIPHOP HEADS for it's boring lyrics - no one can deny that it has some super incredible dope beats... but that was some cliched lyrics on there for real!
If people think Snoop's Next Episode verse was dope... then you really need to go back and listen to the OG Next Episode, or The Chronic or Doggystyle... same with Kurupt
i see your point about Hittman; i wouldn't say he's one of the best out there, but i think he's a dope mc.
i can see why you're not liking his flow, he ain't got a flow that sticks out but whether that's an issue is just a matter of taste.
but as far as the lyrics on 2001 in general are concerned, if you classify some of it as clichés (as an argument for why you think 2001 ain't a classic) then i'd say if you generalise it like that then there hardly any real classic albums left :P
I was disappointed almost all the verses on the album, except the Eminem ones
Dre SO should have kept the Royce verses for Way I Be Pimpin - those verses were better than everything on the album, except Em's verses
Snoop's shit was real tired and cliche, same with Kurupt.
Hittman is a snooze-fest...
Devin The Dude was nice though, his stuff can stay
First speaking objectively,I can see where you coming from.
-Snoop is Snoop
-Kurupt didn't bring his killer flow.
-Devin's verse was funny (as always).
-Hittman snooze-fest? yes,I can see where you're coming from. But he fit in,in the bigger picture as a supporting MC. For the record I personally love him.
-Em killed it and did a phenomenal job writing The Watcher
-Xzibit killed it
-6-2 killed it,but sadly only had a short cameo.
As for the content,Dre and friends was sort off going trough and celebrated his career.
So I see nothing wrong with that,but again;
It's not what you say,it's how you say it!
Not all of the beats were dope, there's quite a few fillers...
those were the main problems more critics found with the album (content and fillers) and why it got a lot mostly 4/5 stars and not 5/5 stars
Well Murder Dog gave it 3.5 out of 5
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150824.msg1640421#msg1640421
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XXL gave it 4 out of 5
Dr.Dre; The Chronic 2001 review in XXL Jan/Feb 2000 NO.22
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The Source gave it 4.5 out of 5
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150824.msg1640421#msg1640421
209 Dr.Dre; Chronic 2001 review in The Source January 2000 NO.124
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The Source corrected it to 5 out of 5.
XXL; 4 out of 5
Murder Dog; 3.5 out of 5
So a little mixed reviews :P
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Convos about Dogg Food;
As far as Dogg Food goes initially the NY NY song was supposed to be a tribute song about NY but after what happened in the Source awards in 1995 with Death Row getting booed and Suge making the comments about Puffy really instigated the whole East/West beef and that Dogg Food album was kind of revamped oriiginally it was to feature East Coast artists 2 songs in particula,r Don't Stop with Nas and Got My Mind Made Up with Method Man, Redman and Inspectah Deck were supposed to be on there but Suge took them off and gave Got My Mind Made Up to Pac and removed Deck's verse and Don't Stop was also given to Pac and eventually released later on with Daz releasing the original version on The Last Of Tha Pound. I feel that album could've been uniting the 2 coasts and maybe the East/West thing would've never happened I mean it really was just a personal thing between Pac and Big. As far as the released version goes it sure did make an impact here in NY because it made us take notice when Kurupt basically lyrically assassinated us on our own shit. The East was forever talking about how the West does not have dope MC's that they are just about the beats and Kurupt perfected the combination of West coast gangsta rhymes mixed with East coast battle raps on that record.
Coming to the Doggfood issue,hmmm. I lived in NYC at the time too.
So I definatly know what you´re talking about.
I agree that the Pac VS Biggie beef was personal,but we both know that East VS West beef was not about that.
It was about the biased ass "NYC critics",that is another topic that the OG post should trigger a convo about.
I had had a lot of heatet arguements with my boys back then about this.
Is the album dope and a West Coast classic?
No doubt about it,but again it´s a extension of Doggystyle so it could be dismissed on that premise.
But it wasn´t another Dre produced project,Daz did his own thing and Kurupt came correct showing that the west could hang with the East on the mic. So yes this album should also be up for debate for the overall classic status.
When it comes to the Cube albums I don´t agree,they might be personal favorites/classics,but far from overall classics.
Death Certificate and AmeriKKKas Most Wanted yes,even if I personally don´t feel AmeriKKKas Most Wanted I can´t front that it was a important album for it´s time. Personally I take Predator and Lethal Injection over it,but that´s subjective opinion.
yeah its hard for me not to be biased about Dogg Food cause it might be my favorite album of all time definitely in my top 5, overall classic well it is definitely not cut and dry very debatable and I would like to compare it favorably to an east coast album that came out the same year Mobb Deep The Infamous. Now I would put Dogg Food right up there with Mobb Deep's album you had Shook Ones Pt II which was one of the alltime coldest rap joints off of The Infamous and then you have N.Y.N.Y off of Dogg Food which is comparable in the same sense. Both albums had MC's who were considered to be probably top 10-15 at the time and both had partners who were dope producers in Havoc and Daz. Were it not for the East/West contreversy I would tend to think that the NY critics might have had a different view on Dogg Food as far as its classic status
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Mobb Deep with Shook Ones had a stronger single,but Dogg Food is a more consistent album.
Maybe,I'm just saying maybe... if Dogg Food had some stronger singles to lead the album it would have made a difference?
good point, I was confused to what Dogg Food's lead single was gonna be because I had seen something on MTV a little before the album was supposed to come out and they had I think Kurupt playing "Respect" in a car and saying something to the effect that it would be the first single and all of a sudden the "Let's Play House" video comes out and I was like wtf but I guess commercially that was a pretty radio friendly track with Michelle but maybe if they would have led off the album with "NY, NY" I think it would have packed a bigger punch initially. I think another factor was the East Coast West Coast thing had just popped off and I remember NY radio at the time started to lay off the west coast tracks around 1995 so the album suffered in NYC and didn't have the impact that previous Death Row releases had here. I just listened to the album over the weekend and its really hard for me not to consider it a classic the production on this by Daz and the 2 DJ Pooh tracks is amazing alot of people forget that and see no Dre production but Dre did mix the album which makes a world of difference and I'm not so sure he didn't have a hand in some of the production of it as well
You´re right I heard "Respect" on the radio a couple of months before on the radio as well,
got a little confused because Dre speaks in the beginning but it didn´t sound like a Dre production.
I wasn´t sure who would produce the album before it dropped,because of all the conflicting rumors and talk in interviews.
Then they pick "Let´s play house",a terrible track in my opinion. Definatily not a track for the East Coast,so this could be a factor.
how would you personally rate the album?
and how would you rate it if you try to be as objective as possible?
Personal rating; 4/5 there´s a couple of tracks that got to go.
Objective rating; 4/5 that´s only musicallly/lyrically speaking. (because of some of the weaker cuts)
There´s other aspects to be considered,like I´ve discussed with HighEyeCue and others in this thread before.
This album made some serious damage when it came out and still get´s mad love,
but if you compare to The Chronic well then it comes short. :-\
So to rate it is really tuff,but then again look at all those East Coast albums that only had local buzz that got rave ratings.
Just because a album only or for the most spoke to the west coast,doesn´t mean it lacks the qualities of a classic.
But again this shit is hard.....
thanks for the Rap Pages review Chad I remember reading it back then in 1996, my favorite album of all time, lets for arguments sake put Can't C Me on like it was supposed to be, definitely puts it over the hump and is a CLASSIC album 5/5 :laugh:
ohh well,I don´t know about that.
But I´ll do a serious breakdown of Dogg Food,Niggaz 4 Life,Regulate and Bow Down.
To see what I come up with myself.... :P
Is there any more albums that we have discussed that should have been granted a classic status?
Dogg Pound; Dogg Food;
-1. Intro
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Dope intro
2. Doggpound Gangstaz
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Kurupt absolutely KILLS it,the beat is fire. CLASSIC!
3. Respect
Lyrics; 8
Beat; 5
Don´t feel the beat,but Kurupt kills it so...
4. New York, New York
Lyrics; 8
Beat; 5
I know a lot of you cats LOVE this track,but I think it´s average. Sorry.
I´ll give you that Kurupt kills it tho...
5. Smooth
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Like the name of the track it´s smooth... love it.
Again Kurupt kills it.
6. Cyco-Lic-No
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Love it....
7. Riden Slipen And Sliden
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Smooth...
8. Big Pimpen
Lyrics; 6
Beat; 6
Average
9. Let's Play House
Lyrics; 5
Beat; 2
Never liked it,don´t like it now. Terrible break.....
10. I Don't Like To Dream About Gettin' Paid
Lyrics; 5
Beat; 5
Don´t feel it,again terrible break....
11. Do What I Feel
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
This is more my shit,tight beat and Kurupt....
12. If We All
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Simply love how they trade rhymes back and forth... classic
13. Some Bomb Azz
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Smooth...
14. A Doggz Day After Noon
Lyrics: 10
Beat; 10
Some gangster shit... loving it
15. Reality
Lyrics; 6
Beat; 6
Average
16. One By One
Lyrics; 6
Beat; 6
Average
17. Sooo Much Style
Lyrics; 8
Beat; 8
cool
280/340 that should leave my PERSONAL rating around 3.5
it still feels like 4 when I dump the tracks I don´t feel.
Pluss;
I might have been a little too hard on it and the album has qualities that could qualify as a classic.
Here you go HighEyeCue a Dogg Food review,as you can see they gave it 7 out of 10 (3.5/5). >:(
294 Dogg Pound; Dogg Food review in Rap Pages January 1996
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Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha
1 - I Call Shots 5/5
Kurupt rips it at about 150mph
pshychosomatic automatic static bubonic chronic addict
Roscoes verse may be even better enough said
2 - Loose Cannons 4/5
nice track, Xzibit makes a welcome apperance beat is above average
3 - Who Ride Wit Us 5/5
classic beat, classic DPG song Daz and Kurupt rip it with their flows
4 - Represent Dat G.C 5/5
the whole gang is here Snoop, Soopa, Tray Deee who has never dropped a wack verse. Jayo, Daz
another classic Kurupt had the worst verse on here but it doesnt really matter
5 - Welcome Home 5/5
classics still keep on coming bumps like a muthafucka in the ride and Latoya kills it
Kurupt dope flows but lyrics a little too repetiitive repeating the same words I sense a pattern
6 - Tequila 3/5
ok track again Organized Noize beat not nearly as dope as their first one
7 - Trylogy 4/5
nice track but the beat again not not feeling it as much as others
Kurupts rips it about 200 mph one of the sickest freestyles I've ever heard and he is on beat the whole time
8 - Neva Gonna Give It Up 5/5
another banger classic DPG posse cut Meech brings the heat
9 - Tha Streetz Iz a Mutha 4/5
title track goes hard Kurupt especially shows much emotion on this Big Pimpin adds his touch too
10 - Ya Can't Trust Nobody 3/5
nice beat but sounds like Kurupt was doing his vocals in an alley somewhere his voice is fucked up on this one and his lyrics not too great Daz is ok
11 - It Ain't About You - 4/5
Tray Deee and Soopa shine on this one nice beat
12 - Girls All Pause -2/5
no comment
13 - Your Gyrl Friend 3/5
alotta people think this is classic actually part 2 on RAW is mile above this Kurupt using alotta profanity and not feeling it great beat by Dilli though
14 - Ho's a Housewife 4/5
slightly different version than the 2001 track I prefer that one but it still pretty dope Hittman shines on this
15 - I Ain't Shit Without My Homeboyz 5/5
now were talking great beat by Soopa, Kurupt rips his opening verse, everybody kills it
16 - Step Up 5/5
now yall don't wanna see this west coast MC shit Crooked, Kurupt and Xzibit all kill it with their unique flows
17 - Live On The Mic 3.5/5 sounds out of place on the album Krs definitely outraps Kurupt on this freestyle session what a legend he is
not feeling the beat by Soopa
18 - Callin Out Names 4/5
Kurupt just rips through DMX on this banger by Fred Wreck really showed alot of emotion lyrics are slightly above average though
overall I give it from a 4-4.25/5 west coast classic
Definitely a DPG classic
not an overall classic but an album that wil be remembered as Kurupts best and most conisitent but he only really ripped maybe 5 or 6 cuts like he can and gets outrapped alot when he is with guest artists, Production was very consistent throughout but not overwhelming
Hmmm,yeah it´s a DPG and a West Coast classic.
It got 4 Mics in The Source,can´t remember what Rap Pages gave it. Hating ass HHC probably didn´t even bother to review it .
Overall it feels like it deserves 4,but if I break it down musically it would probably end up something like 3.5/5.
I know it considered Kurupts best,but personally I would rate Space Boogie about the same,
sure Space Boogie got some really weak poppy joints,but the dope ones makes up for the weak ones.
BTW Space Boogie also got 4/5 by The Source.
If you all would like to discuss Kurupts work a litttle more hit this thread;
Thoughts on Kurupt after finally hearing the discography
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=141480.msg1471525#msg1471525
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(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/OutlawC/l_688b549a13ceee27a6bd967d16f44a39.jpg)
Tim Dog Source Magazine diss (http://www.thesefiles.com/link/ff6ec834/21510) :laugh: :laugh:
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ATL - Uncle Sams Curse
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas
Quik - Safe & Sound
Foesum Perfection
Warren G - G funk Era
really too hard to choose...
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Mac Dre and (Dubee)
much as i like YBB and GFC 1 and 2,in my personal opinion I wouldn't call them classics.
Now mac Dre's 'al boo boo', 'genie of the lamp', and 'dreganomics?' and 'it ain't what you say it's how you say it'....classic, to me.
-T
OK,but then you got to define what's a overall classic.
YBB set a movement off,The Mac came before Mac Dre but nobody really paid any notice.
YBB had a string of hits and set Mac Dre and Khayree on the map,not that it has anything to do with the record but all the drama around Mac Dre at the time helped a lot. While Mac Dre went to jail,the record set the stage up for Khayree to break other artists like Mac Mall. As for the other records you're talking about,I'm not sure which one should be credited as being the most important for setting the Thizz/Hyphy movement off.
You got to put yourself in the "media's" frame of mind.
-What new did they bring to the table?
-Did they break new musical or lyrical boundaries?
-Had the lyrical content relevance to what was going on in society or the Hip Hop scene at the time?
-Did it set any musical movements off?
Tanji did you read my part about Niggaz4Life?
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What's missing:
Mr. X - Mr. X
MC Eiht - We Come Strapped
U.D.I. - Under Da Influence
Messy Marv - Bandannas, Tattoos & Tongue Rings
Nate Dogg - G-Funk Classics 1&2
Dubee aka Suga Wolf
Mac Dre - Young Black Brother
While Dubee AKA SugaWolf is a personal favorite,not sure if anybody else but bay heads will recognize it.
But it's a flawless record and mad slept on,so shame on all of you that hasn't checked it out.
Dubee aka Suga Wolf
(http://hiphopbug.com/data/goodsImages/GOODS2_hiphopbug_1153804482)
Dubee,Mall & Sleep Dubee,Mac Mall and Sleep Dank produced by Khayree
http://www.mediafire.com/?9xztwe1mxgt
If this track ain't fire,I don't know what.....
I just feel those albums have amazingly strong material.
And some of them on a musical level are ridiculously clever.
'medamac' and some others from that era are actually innovative in their musicality.
some new age funk.
-T
New age funk :laugh: ha,ha. That's a dope word.
Felling lazy? Those few words didn't get me over.
Musically clever don't equal a classic. Khayree,Cold 187um & DJ Quik have all produced some shit that is out of this world musically.
But granted the title producing a overall critical classic is something they have yet to do.
The thing is these NYC Hip Hop critics,sadly has been in a position to say what's a classic or not.
This again has affected the sales and acclaim for many Left Coast artists.
You know how people go,they believe what they read and what's printed is the "truth".
All this is somehow is history now because we got internet,
but I still think there's some albums that need to get recognized for their greatness.
Maybe,I say maybe we can trough this thread and convo voice our opinion.
I know it's a little naive that some fucks on a message board can make a difference,but hey don't say I didn't try. :laugh:
those dreezy albums are classic because damn near every track is not just a banger but a good time in itself.
you're sad when one song's over but then when the next one starts, the good time rolls all over again it's ridiculous.
not only is the production ridiculously funky, but the raps is clever, sophisticated, and catchy. You can memorize his verses after hearing them once or twice cause they sound so simple yet they're such good craft. Not just lyrically, but his vocal inflection, flow and delivery is utterly astoundingly entertaining and artistically effective.
The second verse from "miss you", the last song from thizzelle washington is a great testament to how great of a rapper Mac Dre is.
"You never met a nigga like Dre befo/
Been doin' playa shit since eighty fo/
don't believe me?Chump ask the ratio/
I don't chase the ho. I replace the ho/
all on a bitch like Leon Phelps
I'm tryna get rich so if she don' help/
The bitch gets benched like a pitcher in a slump
You wanna chip in? Lemme getcha in some pumps/
I do my thing, you do yo thing/
It don't even gotta be no pimp and ho thing/
we can do the thing like Clyde and Bonnie/
Putcha in a Benz, getcha out that Omni
we can get down on Sandy beaches
sippin' on wine, eatin' on peaches
it's sav lav lovey when you fuck with mac dre/
and every time I leave, ya haveta say...
I'm gonna miss you in the morning."
and the beat is ridiculously dope 80's funk...it's just powerful classic shit.
just listen to his last 5 records man, you'l see what I'm saying.
thizzelle washington is probably the worst of those last few, but the dope songs on it are ridiculous.
-T
Because I was hoping that you would break Mac Dre´s catalog with your essay type review,
I "prepared" myself while I was hooking you up,I was pumping Mac Dre most of the summer.
So I know his shit now,I'm a little disappointed that you ain't doing the Mac Dre "breakdown".......
Anyways,I see his talent and he might have two arguable classics;
Young Black Brotha and the one that set of the thizz/hyphy movement,which one of his records did that?
What I'm trying to say again,it's not only the music that counts to be considered a overall classic.
If you read the Niggaz4Life,Doggfood and Cube convo I had with HighEyeCue from the previous page,you'll get what I mean.
Posted bellow;; ;)
As far as impact goes the NWA album was really the first time Dre had used the G-funk sound that he went to on The Chronic.
Also the first complete album that they did without Cube as a member and many people thought they could not pull it off as Cube was the main lyricist and writer of the group but they underestimated MC Ren who played the main role now on that and did a great job.
Hmmm,first I don´t agree that it was the first time used the "funk" sound.
Eazy Duz it was full of funk samples,but that convo can be done later not here because that's beside the point.
But I do agree to some point that it is a overall classic.
My personal opinion it's a way better album than Straight Outta Compton,both lyrically and musically.
You got to put yourself in the "media's" frame of mind.
-What new did they bring to the table that they didn't do on the first album?
-Did they break new boundaries?
-Had the lyrical content relevance to what was going on in society or the Hip Hop scene at the time?
Well,I can say yes to all above questions.
-First of,if Doggystyle is a classic (it is),then this should be too.
Doggystyle was like extension of The Chronic,it didn't really bring something "new" that wasn't already explored on The Chronic.
Yes,it was Snoop´s solo album but it was more like a "Chronic 2". So they can't use that excuse.
-Dre broke new boundaries with his production,it's argued that this is Dre's finest production work and it was a very well executed concept album. So again YES.
-At the time there was a turmoil in the Hip Hop scene about gangster rap and the negative lyrics it contained.
The "N" word was even controversial in the Hip Hop scene back then.
NWA was the poster boys for gangster rap so naturally they was attacked from left to right because of their faul language at the time.
The Native Tongue collective throwed a lot of subliminal disses towards them,there's also some subliminal thrown at them at the "Niggaz4Life" album. Listen carefully. They took the gangster rap critic and the subliminal about the overnight blackman thing to the extreme,so yes the album was relevant to what was going on in the Hip Hop scene at the time. So YES again.
But I remember the reviews at the time was hating on it.
I don't have The Source review,but I got the Hip Hop Connections review,can't remember the rating,but can find and scan it later.
What it's hypocritical is that they gave "100 miles and runnin" 5/5,a classic just year before so you know they was "colored" from what was going on in the Hip Hop scene at the time.
As far as Dogg Food goes initially the NY NY song was supposed to be a tribute song about NY but after what happened in the Source awards in 1995 with Death Row getting booed and Suge making the comments about Puffy really instigated the whole East/West beef and that Dogg Food album was kind of revamped originally it was to feature East Coast artists 2 songs in particular,r Don't Stop with Nas and Got My Mind Made Up with Method Man, Redman and Inspectah Deck were supposed to be on there but Suge took them off and gave Got My Mind Made Up to Pac and removed Deck's verse and Don't Stop was also given to Pac and eventually released later on with Daz releasing the original version on The Last Of Tha Pound. I feel that album could've been uniting the 2 coasts and maybe the East/West thing would've never happened I mean it really was just a personal thing between Pac and Big. As far as the released version goes it sure did make an impact here in NY because it made us take notice when Kurupt basically lyrically assassinated us on our own shit. The East was forever talking about how the West does not have dope MC's that they are just about the beats and Kurupt perfected the combination of West coast gangsta rhymes mixed with East coast battle raps on that record.
Coming to the Doggfood issue,hmmm. I lived in NYC at the time too.
So I defiantly know what you're talking about.
I agree that the Pac VS Biggie beef was personal,but we both know that East VS West beef was not about that.
It was about the biased ass "NYC critics",that is another topic that the OG post should trigger a convo about.
I had had a lot of heated arguments with my boys back then about this.
Is the album dope and a West Coast classic?
No doubt about it,but again it's a extension of Doggystyle so it could be dismissed on that premise.
But it wasn't another Dre produced project,Daz did his own thing and Kurupt came correct showing that the west could hang with the East on the Mic. So yes this album should also be up for debate for the overall classic status.
When it comes to the Cube albums I don't agree,they might be personal favorites/classics,but far from overall classics.
Death Certificate and AmeriKKKas Most Wanted yes,even if I personally don't feel AmeriKKKas Most Wanted I can't front that it was a important album for it's time. Personally I take Predator and Lethal Injection over it,but that's subjective opinion.
I'm sorry that I haven't done what you hoped with the mac Dre stuff but it's hard to organize the shit track by track.
I like to listen to an album as a piece in itself and with his catalog it can be kind of a task. Plus I don't like alot of that early stuff as much and I sure as hell don't like the other rappers that are all over his stuff which makes it hard cause he has soundtracks/group albums etc.
I don't even consider YBB as classic as
it's not what you say...it's how you say it
AL boo boo
Ronald dregan:dreganomics
the genie of the lamp
and i still haven't heard 'mac Dre's the name' but something tells me that album is going to impress me
-T
Again you're coming with a subjective opinion,
it's all good if YOU like those albums better than this or that album.
The topic is;
What West Coast albums should be considered OVERALL classics by "NYC" critics?
So again I would like you read the convo me and HighEyeCue
had on the previous page about Niggaz4Life,DoggFood and Cube´s albums. (I copied and pasted it above)
Then I would like you come a little more convincing on why any of his albums should be considered OVERALL classics.
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Mixed opinions;
I respect what you are doing. You obviously remember (just like me) when The Source had not only credibility, but was the defining Hip Hop mag ever. Unfortunately, those days are long gone. Printed Mags are a thing of the past - they must resort to fanaticism, dramatics, and gossip / paparazzi tactics to sell papers. It gets more and more desperate every year.
We can get information 10x as fast through the net. We can get it without spin and without hype, which is the way it should be. We don't need to be spoonfed our opinions by somebody that writes for a mag.
There are people on this board more credible than The Source of XXL.
So in closing, I say FUCK THEM.
Here you go,you can read between the "lines".
Let's call it a open letter to the Hip Hop letter to the critics in power instead(?) AKA most if not all based in NYC.
I don't know if The Source even "exist" anymore,I never see them on the news stands like I used too.
That right there means the retailers don't see The Source as one of the the big sellers and a interesting magazine anymore.
When I'm bored at the news stand and see it I flip trough it,but as you said all there's left is gossip and bullshit.
It's sad because I like printed matter more than reading interviews and what not on line.
The only good magazine left is Murder Dog,great in depth interviews about stuff I'm interested in.
Their reviews is a joke and subjective,
but from what I can gather it's more like a "fan" made magazine than professional writers taking care of the reviews and interviews.
So it's more like a printed "dubcNN".
The Source will have it's place as one the most important voices in Hip Hop,no matter if we like it or not,not as a printed matter anymore but their legacy will continue because of their history.
Their opinion will be "broadcasted" on line trough place like wikipedia, a place that many visit for information.
Does it matter what think,yes and no.
There's albums that has been overlooked and needs to be recognized.
Like for example list their favorite MC´s unconscious "we" always name the usual suspects.
If someone mention a MC that is not "recognized" as one best of all time,there will be debate.
But we all know there is MC that it's not on the "official list" that deserves to be there.
You seem like a "smart" cat so you can read between the lines what I'm getting at,right?
you and me both know that 99% of that list is some shit that only west coast fans would listen to.
the only thing that would have somewhat of a chance would be like Pharcyde, Black Sunday, Predator, and Bow Down.
I hope you didn't direct the source people to this thread.
The options to choose from already kinda disproves any sort of credibility this thread has.
Not like The source made any good decisions with choosing Lil Kim or Stillmatic.
But we don't fight wrong with wrong.
I'm sorry but Soopafly Dat Whoopty Woop, and Dogg Food, Regulate G Funk Era... do not belong on the same list as Low End Theory. And those 3 albums are already probably better than like 90% of the other albums on this poll.
Yes. I agree the list is full of either "West Coast" favorites or bullshit and agree that we can't fight wrong with wrong.
I did NOT send a link to this thread,it will be seen as a joke with those albums listed in the pool.
But I was not going to censor the albums listed in the 5/5 thread,that would be biased,right?
Call this a pre-thread where we all can discuss these issue's.
There is some smart cats in here,so I'm sure we can come up with something clever?
The NWA album was the first hiphop album that I purchased back in 1991 and
I think it is definitely a classic introducing the first G-funk single with "Alwayz Into Something".
I still remember the first time I heard it on NY radio it was a mix show late at night and I was hooked immediately so I had to purchase that album and I was playing the cassette constantly for I don't know how long.
I think the East/West beef had alot to do with alot of these albums not appreciated in NY for instance by the time Dogg Food hit most over here had already developed a dislike for the West and when they came out with New York, New York it only grew bigger.
So alot of these albums were overlooked but Dogg Food is definitely an overall classic production, lyricism both on point.
The Predator also is classic as were all of Cube's solo albums up to about Lethal Injection.
Let's use your post as an example,because you used four West Coast albums everyone on this board knows well.
Your post actually raise a interesting question;
What is an overall classic?
The albums you mentioned could be at least be considered West Coast classics or favorites.
But did they make an impact?
Was they groundbreaking?
Again for those that CAN´T read;
To the dubCC comunity members;
My idea for this thread is to voice our opinion about The Source Magazine's biased ass reviews and ratings about West Coast albums.
Maybe they will redo their list like they have done before?
Do I think they will listen to a open letter/thread that I/we will mail to them?
Yes and no,but it's worth a shot ain't it?
There's way too many West Coast albums that has been overlooked.
I have just copied and pasted
whatever albums you "all" have posted in this thread;
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
If there's mad albums that it's not on the list and albums that should NOT be on that list.
What albums should be considered in the classics pool? What albums should NOT be there?
I'll just close this thread and do a new thread and include whatever albums that's missing (if you feel theres albums missing).
So what West Coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines Classics list?
Going Off On Tanjints Vol.2: West coast music's purpose
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=149064.0
Around the time Damizza and BC's "Back B4 Ur Lonely" dropped, there was that DMX quote dissing the repetitive topics of WC rap and there wad that horribly scathing review of Back B4 Ur Lonely by that really east coast centric rap magazine/website and what I couldn't help but notice is how focused both of these sources were focused on lyrics.
I think these cats don't realize that lyrics are a secondary function and focus of West coast music. People came out to California to find gold, to become actors, and to experience freedom. Whereas the NY dream is more about making it big in whatever it is you're doing. That said, the music is going to have a different purpose, a different feel. West coast music is often about just recreating the feeling of a breezy sunset. To me the best example of this is Warren G's "This DJ". How does that not FEEL like a sunset?
Anyway, these scathing assessments of West coast rap seem completely ignorant of how sonically terrible most East coast/mainstream hip-hop sounds. Even Nas' latest album, while containting some dope raps sounds pretty horrible on a production level for the most part. There's like 5 hot beats on it. Really, Back B4 Ur Lonely is a better produced record than that one in my opinion. And that's not a diss to Nas; I think his whole point was to focus back on the raps (hence the accapella track at the end) but it's okay for East coast cats to be vocal-oriented but it's not okay for West coast cats to be production-oriented? It's alot of bias, and it seems like a case of one coast wanted to kick the other while they're down. West coast ain't making as much noise as it used to on the mainstream scene and some of these assholes want to remind us of that, knock our self esteem and keep it that way.
That said, the cat that reviewed Butch and Damizza didn't even realize that the record's just supposed to be some shit to feel good. Yeah, "Cruz'n" may not be the lyrical masterpiece that "NY State Of Mind" or even "Hip-Hop Is Dead" is but it's really funky, pretty, and great to chill and smoke to. These cats don't even realize what the music is for, nor are they in a context to enjoy it. What right do they have to speak so harshly on some independent cats trying to do the damn thing? It's one thing to say you don't like some shit; that's cool. But to say it's straight horrible when you don't even know what's going on? You can miss me with that shit.
West coast music has it's origins in funk. People weren't looking to George Clinton(not that he's West coast, but as far as the aesthetics of his music) for intelligence and political commentary (though sometimes he gave it, "Chocolate City" anyone?) they were looking for the newest beat to get stuck in their head and dance to. And to me, that's what alot of West coast music is about.
That's not to say alot of cats on the West shouldn't improve their topics/rapping, but I think you guys see my point and that's another discussion entirely.
-T
I guess all I can really say is that the whole is not always equal to the sum of its parts. those albums works really as pieces you know? the combined experience of a consecutive listen is just an artistically powerful thing.
you see, these things are hella subjective which is how the source and other hip hop sources get away with this shit.
I'm fine with them not liking west coast hip hop, but it's when they dismiss it as not even valid art is when I get pissed.
To say I don't like some shit and 'this shit is whack' is two totally different things.
on the east coast, in urban areas, motherfuckers really is hanging out on the stoops, corners, and alleys bumpin grimy shit smoking' blunts or whatever and that music fits that context. the lyrical shit is what they need cause all they have is conversation and idea exchange in limited space.
in Cali the sound is more expansive and spacious and the lyrics reflect that cause we're mobbing about, in parks, barbecues, backyards, patios, mountains and other natural expansive scape's. the music we live to reflects the context it is in and same with east coast shit.
anyone read 'rime' magazine? I bought a copy several months back cause it was wested the fuck out. Daz was on the cover and had an interview, and too short and ice cube had interviews in that shit too. i think there may have been one or two more west coast artists than that all getting love in that magazine.
we just gotta choose to support organizations that respect and understand the context of the west coast.
-T
-T
I guess all I can really say is that the whole is not always equal to the sum of its parts.
those albums works really as pieces you know? the combined experience of a consecutive listen is just an artistically powerful thing.
You still haven't convinced that any of the Mac Dre's albums should be considered overall classics.
Not even sure they're West Coast classics,they might be bay classics....
That as far as I think I would go. You know I love the YBB family,but I have to try to be objective... ;)
You see, these things are hella subjective which is how The Source and other Hip Hop sources get away with this shit.
I'm fine with them not liking west coast hip hop,but it's when they dismiss it as not even valid art is when I get pissed.
To say I don't like some shit and 'this shit is wak' is two totally different things.
The Media is supposed to be objective,and they sure as hell has dismissed it as valid art.
I believe if the "NYC critics" had a more open mind to West Coast Hip Hop,
some of these artists and albums that we love would have been more successful and respected.
They basically said all your stupid "gang bang" lyrics is corny,and your productions ain't "real" Hip Hop.
....and because you don't do Hip Hop the way it's "supposed" to be done,the East Coast way,your shit is wak.
I see that you put some other words to the shit I´m saying below,and that's what this whole thing break down to.
On the east coast,in urban areas,motherfuckers really is hanging out on the stoops,corners,
and alleys bumpin grimy shit smoking' blunts or whatever and
that music fits that context.
The lyrical shit is what they need cause all they have is conversation and idea exchange in limited space.
In Cali the sound is more expansive and spacious and the lyrics reflect that cause we're mobbing about,
in parks, barbecues, backyards, patios, mountains and other natural expansive scape's.
The music we live to reflects the context it is in
and same with east coast shit.
^^^^
anyone read 'Rime' magazine?
I bought a copy several months back cause it was wested the fuck out.
Daz was on the cover and had an interview, and Too Short and Ice Cube had interviews in that shit too.
I think there may have been one or two more west coast artists than that all getting love in that magazine.
we just gotta choose to support organizations
that respect and understand the context of the west coast.
-T
Yep,but I think Rime magazine is a little shallow.....
I rather fuck with Murder Dog magazine.
(http://www.thuglifearmy.com/images/News%20Pics/eiht-murder%20dog%20cover.jpg)
www.murderdog.com
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you got At The Speed of Life twice on the list
do you have better scan of this?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2101/2122239441_8fe290ac3a_b.jpg
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This is a open letter to The Source Magazine.
There has several attacks to The Source magazines East Coast/West Coast biased ass reviews and ratings. (and other Hip Hop publications)
There's only 9 West Coast albums on your classic list,
5 of them is produced by Dr.Dre,there's two 2Pac albums and two Ice Cube albums.
Does this mean that the West Coast has (had) three artists that has enough talent to make a classic album?
I found a thread on this West Coast board;
www.dubcc.com that is the one of the most if not most important voice for the West Coast Hip Hop music scene.
Where cats have posted their 5/5 albums.
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
I have gone trough the thread and added all the albums they have posted to a pool where they can vote five times each.
Sure there's some biased ass opinions in there (here) but read trough the lines.
I'm sure they have missed a couple of releases,
if it get´s out of hand I will close this thread and add whatever that's not on the pool and do a new thread.
I'm sure the moderators of this board can merge the threads if that time comes.
Well,I let the dubCC comunity members do the rest of the talking....
To the dubCC comunity members;
My idea for this thread is to voice our opinion about The Source Magazine's biased ass reviews and ratings about West Coast albums.
Maybe they will re-do their list like they have done before?
Do I think they will listen to a open letter/thread that I/we will mail to them?
Yes and no,but it's worth a shot ain't it?
There's way too many West Coast albums that has been overlooked.
I have just copied and pasted
whatever albums you "all" have posted in this thread;
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
If there's mad albums that it's not on the list and albums that should NOT be on that list.
What albums should be considered in the classics pool? What albums should NOT be there?
I'll just close this thread and do a new thread and include whatever albums that's missing (if you feel theres albums missing).
So what West Coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines Classics list?
Here's The Source Magazine classic Hip Hop album list;
The Source's 5 Mic Albums
Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003B6J.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JN4.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube
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Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube
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The Chronic by Dr. Dre
(http://images- eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005B1KA.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg
(http://www.thehiphopworld.com/image-files/snoop-
doggy-dogg-doggystyle.jpg)
Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac
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The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
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Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
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Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim
There´s 5 votes each and you can change your vote if you want
I trimed the list down from the previous poll to the ones that got at least 3 votes,here´s the previous poll;
The Lady Of Rage; Neccessary Roughness 0 (0%)
pharcyde-bizarre ride to the pharcyde 4 (0.8%)
Ice Cube; Predator 7 (1.5%)
Xzibit; At The Speed Of Lif 7 (1.5%)
ATL- Uncle Sams Curse 10 (2.1%)
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas 11 (2.3%)
Eazy-E- Its On 5 (1.1%)
Eazy-E- Str8 Off The Streetz Of Muthaphuckkin Compton 4 (0.8%)
Kokane- Funk Upon A Rhyme 3 (0.6%)
K-Dee- Ass, Gas, Or Cash 0 (0%)
MC Ren- Shock Of The Hour 1 (0.2%)
NWA- Niggaz4Life 30 (6.3%)
Suga Free- Street Gospel 5 (1.1%)
Twinz- Conversation 7 (1.5%)
Warren G- Regulate.. G Funk Era 40 (8.4%)
Westside Connection- Bow Down 23 (4.9%)
Lil Chill - Aint No Luv Lost 0 (0%)
C-Funk - 3D Ear Pleasure 0 (0%)
Royal T - Coast 2 Coast 0 (0%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of the Siccness 13 (2.7%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Loaded 1 (0.2%)
X Raided - Xorcist 1 (0.2%)
Mr. Doctor - Setripn Bloccstyle 0 (0%)
Young Lay - Black N Dangerous 0 (0%)
Mac Mall - Untouchable 2 (0.4%)
Ray Luv - Forever Hustlin 1 (0.2%)
Dru Down - Can You Feel Me 2 (0.4%)
G~Mo - Ballin 4 Life 0 (0%)
Mausberg - Non Fiction 2 (0.4%)
11/5 - Fiendin 4 the Funk 1 (0.2%)
Dre Dog - I Hate You With A Passion 4 (0.8%)
Mass 187 - Real Trues Paying Dues 0 (0%)
C Bo - Tales From the Crypt & Till My Casket Drops 2 (0.4%)
E~40 - In a Major Way 3 (0.6%)
G.L.P. - Straight Out the Labb 0 (0%)
Spice 1 - Amerikkka's Nightmare 7 (1.5%)
Spice 1 1990-Sick 0 (0%)
Spice 1 187 He Wrote. 5 (1.1%)
G-Ism - On A Mission 0 (0%)
Warren G - G Funk Era 8 (1.7%)
Thug Life-Talez, Volume 1 2 (0.4%)
Warren G-take a look over your shoulder 0 (0%)
Ras Kass - Soul On Ice 6 (1.3%)
Above The Law - Black Mafia Life 3 (0.6%)
Quik - Safe & Sound 11 (2.3%)
Quik - Rhythm-al-ism 17 (3.6%)
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food 35 (7.4%)
2pac- Better Dayz 1 (0.2%)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It 11 (2.3%)
Ice-T - Original Gangster 4 (0.8%)
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill 6 (1.3%)
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday 7 (1.5%)
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha 16 (3.4%)
Xzibit - At the speed of Life 3 (0.6%)
2Pac - R U Still Down 2 (0.4%)
Skee-Lo - I Wish 1 (0.2%)
TQ-They Never Saw Me Coming 4 (0.8%)
TQ-The Second Coming 1 (0.2%)
Potna Deuce - Heron Soup 0 (0%)
Pizzo - Heaterman 0 (0%)
UDI - Drinks on us 0 (0%)
Mafiosos - Fo tha Money 0 (0%)
Xzibit - Restless 6 (1.3%)
The Game - The Documantry 15 (3.2%)
daz dillinger - R.A.W 2 (0.4%)
daz dillinger - retaliation revenge & get back 5 (1.1%)
eastsidaz - duces and trays ...the old fashioned way 2 (0.4%)
Snoop Dogg No Limit Top Dogg 0 (0%)
Snoop Dogg Tha Last Mea 2 (0.4%)
Ice Cube; War & Peace (vol. 2) 0 (0%)
Daz; Retaliation, Revenge & Get Bacc 1 (0.2%)
Dj Quik - Balance & Options 1 (0.2%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel 4 (0.8%)
Nate Dogg - Music and Me 1 (0.2%)
Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme 0 (0%)
Soopafly; Dat Whoopty Woop 1 (0.2%)
Ice-t-Power 1 (0.2%)
213-213 1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg-R and G 0 (0%)
Dj Quick -Quick is the name 3 (0.6%)
Xzibit-40 dayz and 40 night 4 (0.8%)
N.W.A. -100 miles and running 4 (0.8%)
2nd II None - 220 0 (0%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel 1 (0.2%)
Penthouse Players Clique - Paid The Cost 1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg - Doggfather 8 (1.7%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - Don't Fight The Feelin' (She's A Sell Out) 1 (0.2%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - 4 Tay Is Back 0 (0%)
Tha Eastsidaz - Tha Eastsidaz 4 (0.8%)
MC Ren-The Villian in black 1 (0.2%)
cypress hill-temple of boom 6 (1.3%)
the click-game related 1 (0.2%)
luni coleone-total recall 0 (0%)
mac mall-illegal business 4 (0.8%)
n2deep-the golden state 0 (0%)
Lil 1/2 Dead; The Dead Has Arisen 3 (0.6%)
C-Bo & Killa Tay - Moment Of Truth 0 (0%)
Swoop G- Undisputed 0 (0%)
Bad Azz- Word On Tha Streetz 1 (0.2%)
Dj Pooh- Bad News Travelz Fast 1 (0.2%)
Suga Free/Mausberg- The Konnectid Project 1 (0.2%)
E-40- In A Major Way 5 (1.1%)
E-40- The Hall Of Game 4 (0.8%)
Too Short- Get In Where U Fit In 12 (2.5%)
Too Short- Gettin It 2 (0.4%)
Too Short- Cocktails 5 (1.1%)
The Twinz- Conversation 0 (0%)
Celly Cel- The G Filez 0 (0%)
Celly Cel- Killa Kali 0 (0%)
Spice 1- The Black Bossalinie 2 (0.4%)
Hieroglyphics-3rd Eye Vision 2 (0.4%)
Brotha Lynch Hung; 24 Deep 1 (0.2%)
BattleCat Gumbo Roots 0 (0%)
Casual Fear Itself 1 (0.2%)
5 Footaz Worldwide 1 (0.2%)
Ant Banks The Big Badass 0 (0%)
Domino Domino 1 (0.2%)
ATL Living Like Hustlers 0 (0%)
Foesum Perfection 6 (1.3%)
Funkdoobiest Which Doobie U Be? 0 (0%)
KAM Made In America 4 (0.8%)
KAM Neva Again 1 (0.2%)
All From Tha I All Frum Tha I 0 (0%)
Mad CJ Mac True Game 0 (0%)
Paris Guerrilla Funk 0 (0%)
SCC South Central Madness 0 (0%)
Sicx Dead4 Life 2 (0.4%)
Record Report interview with Reginald C. Dennis,Music Editor on how The Source rate records
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”Put Ya Mics Where Ya Mouth Is” January 2001 NO.136
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Anatomy of a classic album in The Source August 2003 NO.167
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95% of these albums are classics. the source was so bias back then.
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dude... you just spammed your whole topic with quotes and images
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the predator.... 8)
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What the fuck the Source didnt name Bow Down a classic? That is wack as fuck that was one of the best albums of 95. Do you have the full list that the Source put up as classics?
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Too many to name.
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Does anybody know how many mics they gave Lil ½ Dead's "Dead Has Arisen"?
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Does anybody know how many mics they gave Lil ½ Dead's "Dead Has Arisen"?
I believe it was 2.5 (I might be wrong though) ;)
Shieet, you got that magazine the the review is?
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probably... you remember when it was released? So I know where to look. ;)
1994.
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the quik albums, the pharcyde album and eazy e - eazy duz it. love em.
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It's hard to choose just 5 albums. But if i had to, i would go with (from that list):
Snoop Dogg Presents..Tha Eastsidaz
Eazy-E - It's On (Dr. Dre) 187Um Killa
Westside Connection- Bow Down
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha
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So what about Warren G´s; Regulate,The G-Funk Era album?
The Source gave it 3.5/5.... is it a overall classic or just a West Coast classic?
Warren G; Regulate The G-Funk Era review
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OVERALL A MOTHERFUCKIN CLASSIC.EVERY BLOODCLAAT TUNE IS FIYAH!!!
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You found the magazine with the review of "The Dead Has Arisen"?
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Can you check out that Half Dead review? :D
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Kurupt; Kuruption review in The Source October 1998 # 109
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2 Bloodclaat Much 2 Name..Dope Ass Thread. ;)
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chad u got g funk era up there twice
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Above The Law reviews;
Review Rap Pages August 97
Above The Law presents...
Crime Files consists of various artists,who collectively decided to follow the norm of substituting bomb-ass bangin' beats for lyrical supremacy. Track after track,with the exeption of a few,the message is repeated over and over; the story about how the hail of hollow points leaves your shit wide open has been narration by too many rappers,coroners and morticians. But,for the underground heads who love the finest of ganster cuts,this is a keeper. ATL caters to and strokes the egos of the strong and creates bitches of the weak at heart. The fattest tracks,however,belong to Mad Harv Dog and E.V.E. Harv extenuates the pussy-footin' around that some so-called gangster rapppers are tryin' to the forefront. With cuts like Rest Your Neck and Full Time,Harv pillages the subconsious and coerces the act of doin' dumb shit. It doesn't matter if your thumpin' in a hoopty or sumthin' plush,you're talkin' this shit on the chin.
Contrastively,E.V.E provides the remedy that makes this album worth buying by adding a well need lady's touch to a "five outta ten" cut album. Her smooth-ass style and iconoclastic lyrics-she lets a brotha know from the git-go that GOD created her to improve on man--clearly articulate her intension to have a stranglehold on the game for years to come. On her cut,Wake Me Up,she shows and proves her dexterity by relishing her sexy-ass voice to the hook: If you give me a minute to make you understand,then wake me up.
If your looking for some true underground shit to strongarm your ass from the neck up,Crime Files will choke the shit outta ya.
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300 Above The Law; Crime Files review in Rap Pages August 1997
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Above The Law; Livin´Like Hustlers review Hip Hop Connection July 1990 NO.18
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Above The Law; Legends review Hip Hop Connection April 1998 NO.111
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Kokane review The Source May 1994 NO.56
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Above The Law; Uncle sam´s Curse review in The Source august 1994 NO.59
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Above The Law; Legends review in Rap Pages March 1998
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Above The Law; Legends review in The Source April 1998 NO.103
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250 Above The Law; Time Will Reveal review in The Source September 1996 NO.84
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Damn,looks like I got to re-scan that one ^^^^ :-\ :P
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Convos about Niggaz4Life
As far as impact goes the NWA album was really the first time Dre had used the G-funk sound that he went to on The Chronic. Also the first complete album that they did without Cube as a member and many people thought they could not pull it off as Cube was the main lyricist and writer of the group but they underestimated MC Ren who played the main role now on that and did a great job. As far as Dogg Food goes initially the NY NY song was supposed to be a tribute song about NY but after what happened in the Source awards in 1995 with Death Row getting booed and Suge making the comments about Puffy really instigated the whole East/West beef and that Dogg Food album was kind of revamped originally it was to feature East Coast artists 2 songs in particular,r Don't Stop with Nas and Got My Mind Made Up with Method Man, Redman and Inspectah Deck were supposed to be on there but Suge took them off and gave Got My Mind Made Up to Pac and removed Deck's verse and Don't Stop was also given to Pac and eventually released later on with Daz releasing the original version on The Last Of Tha Pound. I feel that album could've been uniting the 2 coasts and maybe the East/West thing would've never happened I mean it really was just a personal thing between Pac and Big. As far as the released version goes it sure did make an impact here in NY because it made us take notice when Kurupt basically lyrically assassinated us on our own shit. The East was forever talking about how the West does not have dope MC's that they are just about the beats and Kurupt perfected the combination of West coast gangsta rhymes mixed with East coast battle raps on that record.
As far as impact goes the NWA album was really the first time Dre had used the G-funk sound that he went to on The Chronic.
Also the first complete album that they did without Cube as a member and many people thought they could not pull it off as Cube was the main lyricist and writer of the group but they underestimated MC Ren who played the main role now on that and did a great job.
Hmmm,first I don´t agree that it was the first time used the "funk" sound.
Eazy Duz it was full of funk samples,but that convo can be done later not here because that's beside the point.
But I do agree to some point that it is a overall classic.
My personal opinion it's a way better album than Straight Outta Compton,both lyrically and musically.
You got to put yourself in the "media's" frame of mind.
-What new did they bring to the table that they didn't do on the first album?
-Did they break new boundaries?
-Had the lyrical content relevance to what was going on in society or the Hip Hop scene at the time?
Well,I can say yes to all above questions.
-First of,if Doggystyle is a classic (it is),then this should be too.
Doggystyle was like extension of The Chronic,it didn't really bring something "new" that wasn't already explored on The Chronic.
Yes,it was Snoop´s solo album but it was more like a "Chronic 2". So they can't use that excuse.
-Dre broke new boundaries with his production,it's argued that this is Dre's finest production work and it was a very well executed concept album. So again YES.
-At the time there was a turmoil in the Hip Hop scene about gangster rap and the negative lyrics it contained.
The "N" word was even controversial in the Hip Hop scene back then.
NWA was the poster boys for gangster rap so naturally they was attacked from left to right because of their faul language at the time.
The Native Tongue collective throwed a lot of subliminal disses towards them,there's also some subliminal thrown at them at the "Niggaz4Life" album. Listen carefully. They took the gangster rap critic and the subliminals about the overnight blackman thing to the extreme,so yes the album was relevant to what was going on in the Hip Hop scene at the time. So YES again.
But I remember the reviews at the time was hating on it.
I don't have The Source review,but I got the Hip Hop Connections review,can't remember the rating,but can find and scan it later.
What it's hypocritical is that they gave "100 miles and runnin" 5/5,a classic just year before so you know they was "colored" from what was going on in the Hip Hop scene at the time.
When it comes to the Cube albums I don't agree,they might be personal favorites/classics,but far from overall classics.
Death Certificate and AmeriKKKas Most Wanted yes,even if I personally don't feel AmeriKKKas Most Wanted I can't front that it was a important album for it's time. Personally I take Predator and Lethal Injection over it,but that's subjective opinion.
as far as I know the first time Dre used that "whistle" to my knowledge was on "Alwayz Into Something" He always had the funk sound but he took it to another level on that album and of course expanded it on The Chronic and pretty much perfected it on Doggystyle. Definite overall classic and Dogg Food as well as far as it being an extention of Doggystyle you can say that but I think lyrically Kurupt in his prime showcased much better ability than Snoop on Doggystyle. Snoop basically ripped Doggystyle on flow alone to go with a great delivery and presence but lyrically you can say he was average. Not saying Dogg Food is a better album because it is not but they are both classics in their own right. As far as Cube goes I prefer The Predator overall his other albums I personally think its the best and definite classic the one you can argue is Lethal Injection where he kind of production wise leaned towards G-funk and kind of went with the flow of what was hot at the time rather than set trends and also his political raps were starting to get less and less
He used other some similar "gangster whine" sounds on his other albums,you can argue that the "whine" on Dopeman,
and some of the "whines" on Eazy Duz it pluss the "whistle" while Dre´s verse on The Last Song (ATL) is pre-"G-funk".
This is a argument that should be Tanji´s Black Mafia Life Thread. :)
But I do get what you're saying,I just don't agree with the popular belief how "G-funk" was "created". :)
Cold 187um can bitch all he want,but it was a collective effort over time that lead to that sound.
Hmmm,I might get killed now,but I actually think that Kurupt had the most stellar performance on Doggystyle;
Kurupt ripped the fuck out of "For All My Niggaz & Bitches",he even got a "Hip Hop quoteable" for that verse.
I will give Dogg Food it´s credits that it was group effort,rather than Dre being "part" of the group. (the DJ and rapper thing).
It was a in house project,where Daz did what he was best at (producing) and playing the supportive role for the "lead" MC (Kurupt).
I miss that in to days Hip Hop,now it all sound like compilations with all the hottest producers and guest features.
When it comes to the Cube albums you got a weaker case,not saying that I don't agree with you that I personally
think they're "better" albums than AmeriKKKas Most Wanted.
When I from time to time give the Cube albums a spin,I rather listen to Predator and Lethal Injection than AmeriKKKas Most Wanted. But I will would come short if I would have to argue for that those albums
"meant" more and was more "ground breaking" than his previous albums.
I'm sure you know what I mean,but this is where the convo get´s interesting.
This is the kind of convo that my OG post was meant to spark. (for those that could read trough the lines that is.) :)
there are a ton of rap songs that aren't close to g-funk but sample funk. hell, hundreds of east coast albums sample funk but that doesn't make them g-funk. eazier said then done isn't remotely close to being g-funk. that was before Dre really started to establish a sound and it sounded a like any quality east coast production. i would say from 89 to 90 to efil4zaggin Dre's beats kept getting more defined and gfunkish. always into somethin made use of a synth which is one of the most common things in g-funk beats and it just had an all around g-funkish sound. i don't know much about music itself and what exactly the technical musts of a g-funk track but i can tell by the sound. g-funk is more slowed down then p-funk i think and bass heavy and has characteristics of it's own not present on eazier said then done.
To be honest, the west wasn't even sampling Roger and Clinton until EPMD and X-Clan.
The Jungle Bros. Sampled Roger too.
Then the west said "that's the shit we grew up on, we should sound like that.".
Hmmm,facts please......
Strictly Business
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Studio album by EPMD
Released June 1988
Recorded 1987 - 1988
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strictly_Business_(album)
To The East, Blackwards
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Studio album by X-Clan
Released April 19, 1990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_the_East%2C_Blackwards
Straight Out The Jungle
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Studio album by Jungle Brothers
Released 1988
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_Out_the_Jungle
Eazy-Duz-It
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Studio album by Eazy-E
Released September 16, 1988
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eazy-Duz-It
What is an overall classic?
The albums you mentioned could be at least be considered West Coast classics or favorites.
But did they make an impact?
Was they groundbreaking?
My personal opinion it's a way better album than Straight Outta Compton,both lyrically and musically.
You got to put yourself in the "media's" frame of mind.
-What new did they bring to the table that they didn't do on the first album?
-Did they break new boundaries?
-Had the lyrical content relevance to what was going on in society or the Hip Hop scene at the time?
as far as I know the first time Dre used that "whistle" to my knowledge was on "Alwayz Into Something" He always had the funk sound but he took it to another level on that album and of course expanded it on The Chronic and pretty much perfected it on Doggystyle. Definite overall classic and Dogg Food as well as far as it being an extention of Doggystyle you can say that but I think lyrically Kurupt in his prime showcased much better ability than Snoop on Doggystyle. Snoop basically ripped Doggystyle on flow alone to go with a great delivery and presence but lyrically you can say he was average. Not saying Dogg Food is a better album because it is not but they are both classics in their own right. As far as Cube goes I prefer The Predator overall his other albums I personally think its the best and definite classic the one you can argue is Lethal Injection where he kind of production wise leaned towards G-funk and kind of went with the flow of what was hot at the time rather than set trends and also his political raps were starting to get less and less
first of all, the subject matter not being groundbreaking cannot be used as an argument; otherwise, if you use that logic, some 5 Mic's ratings should be revoked( i mean, for example, ice cube's first soloalbum was in that light just an extension of straight outta compton ;))
second of all, personal taste for political rap is also not a reason to discredit niggaz4life for being less political as straight outta compton. so i don't think the lack of Ice Cube's involvement can be used as an argument to not give 5 Mic's to niggaz4life.
MC Ren took over a bigger role as a performer and a writer( while the D.O.C. also did a lot of work as a writer) which he did quite well imo; Ren's talent is mainly his strong delivery.
while I'm not going to say that niggaz4life is the first G-funk album, you could say that it was the introduction to the g-funk sound ( as HighEyeCue said) while it still captured the NWA sound ( great examples are real niggaz don't die, real niggaz, appetite for destruction
anyway, this is one of the first (if not the first album) where Dre uses live instruments heavily on the album. straight outta compton was more based on samples ( not to say that niggaz4life didn't have much samples; it did). if I'm not mistaken, rap music was heavily based on sampling, so you could consider niggaz4life as groundbreaking when it comes to live instruments.
and what NWA was talking about on niggaz4life was also relevant for what was going on at the time ( as Chad pointed out before); i think the track niggaz4life is a great example of that.
so i guess these are the arguments why i think niggaz4life should get 5 mics. HighEyeCue and Chad, you 2 are welcome to add anything if i forgot anything :laugh:
and i won't touch dogg food anymore, i guess I'm too biased about it. I'm just not convinced that it should be classified as an overall classic.
but Chad is definitely right, the argument that Dogg Food is an extension of Doggystyle and the chronic cannot be used.
I agree with Dre-Day, Niggaz4Life is definitely a 5/5 album and NWA 2nd classic album. Everything said was pretty much on point, I think the absence of Cube hurt a little lyrically, I consider him the best lyricist ever to be associated with NWA but the DOC and Ren were plenty capable to make up a little for that and Ren's delivery is definitely amazing. The fact that it is not political is also a factor as it isn't an extension of "Straight Outta Compton" a totally different record and that they went in a different direction and succeeded. This album by the way is in my top 10 of all time and also the first rap CD I ever purchased, I did purchase a couple of cassette tapes the year before which I wont mention the names so I might be a little biased but even if I were to give an unbiased review I still think this would be a 5/5 album.
first of all, the subject matter not being groundbreaking cannot be used as an argument; otherwise,
if you use that logic, some 5 mics ratings should be revoked
(i mean, for example, ice cube's first soloalbum was in that light just an extension of straight outta compton ;))
True ;)
second of all,
personal taste for political rap is also not a reason to discredit niggaz4life for being less political as straight outta compton.
so i don't think the lack of Ice Cube's involvement can be used as an argument to not give 5 mics to niggaz4life.
true again ;)
MC Ren took over a bigger role as a performer and a writer
(while the D.O.C. also did a lot of work as a writer) which he did quite well imo;
Ren's talent is mainly his strong delivery and wordplay
fixed ;)
Ren is more of a "MC",he play more with words and delivery than stories (at least on this album) ;)
Not that he can´t flip story telling rap,he did that well on Eazy Duz It (he even wrote all of those story raps that Eazy was rappin on it)
and on Kizz My Black Azz. But he´s mostly reconized for his delivery and wordplay.
Personally I take Ren and D.O.C over Cube any day,but that´s just me I guess ;) :laugh:
and what NWA was talking about on niggaz4life was also relevant for what was going on at the time
( as Chad pointed out before); i think the track niggaz4life is a great example of that.
you could call it "Hip Hop Politics",because that what it was :laugh: :laugh:.
I agree with Dre-Day, Niggaz4Life is definitely a 5/5 album and NWA 2nd classic album.
Everything said was pretty much on point,
I think the absence of Cube hurt a little lyrically,I consider him the best lyricist ever to be associated with NWA
but the DOC and Ren were plenty capable to make up a little for that and Ren's delivery is definitely amazing.
The fact that it is not political is also a factor as it isn't an extension of "Straight Outta Compton"
a totally different record and that they went in a different direction and succeeded.
Well who was/is the best rapper associated with NWA is a personal taste I guess,
as I said before Ren and D.O.C is more of a "MC" type of rapper than Cube´s story telling style,
sure Cube can kill it on the MC tip just listen to his verse on "The Grand Finally". But you know what I mean...
So what´s critics may miss is the "gangster story tales" that´s normally associated with "gangster rap"
exactly. there you have it, 5 mics :laugh:
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Do you have the full list that the Source put up as classics?
it´s in the OG post,anyway here you go again;
Here's The Source Magazine classic Hip Hop album list;
The Source's 5 Mic Albums
Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.
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It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.
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Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube
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Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube
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The Chronic by Dr. Dre
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Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg
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Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac
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The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
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Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
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Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim
Found this list; (keep in mind that they updated their reviews a little as you can read above)
Source Reviews and the West Coast
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=34027.0
I was going through my Sources and thought I'd give a rundown of all the West Coast CDs that got reviewed and their mics. If anyone wants these reviews typed out, just ask. Oh yeah, these are just from issues I have, so some things are bound to be left out. I also stopped buying the Source after 96 so this is just 90-96
5 mics
Ice Cube - Amerikkka's Most Wanted
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
Ice Cube - Death Certificate (originally 4.5 MICs)
2Pac - Me Against The World (originally 4 MICs)
The Chronic by Dr. Dre (originally 4.5 MICs)
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre (originally 4.5 MICs)
Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg (originally 4 MICs)
4 1/2 mics
Westside Connection - Bow Down
4 mics
Alkoholiks - 21 and Over
Casual - Fear Itself
Coolio - It Takes a Thief
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill III (Temple of Boom)
Del - I Wish My Brother George Was Here
Del - No Need For Alarm
E-40 - Hall of Game
Extra Prolific - Like It Should Be
DJ Quik - Safe + Sound
Murder Was The Case OST
Pharcyde - Labcabincalifornia
Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
Too Short - Get In Where You Fit In
Twinz - Conversation
Yo Yo - You Better Ask Somebody
3 1/2 mics
2nd II None - 2nd II None
Above the Law - Time Will Reveal
Ahmad - Ahmad
Alkoholiks - Coast II Coast
AMG - Bitch Better Have My Money
AMG - Ballin Outta Control
Anotha Level - On Anotha Level
Boyz N The Hood OST
C Bo - The Autopsy
Click - Game Related
Compton's Most Wanted - Straight Checkn' Em
Conscious Daughters - Ear To the Street
Conscious Daughters - Gamers
Coup - Genocide and Juice
Digital Undergound - Sons of the P
Domino - Domino
Dru Down - Dru Down
E-40 - In a Major Way
E-40 - The Mail Man EP
Eazy E - Str8 Off Tha Streetz Of Muthaphukkin Compton
Funkdoobiest - Brothas Doobie
Ice Cube - Lethal Injection
Ice Cube - Bootlegs & B-Sides
Jayo Felony - Take a Ride
Kam - Made In America
King Tee - IV Life
Luniz - Operation Stackola
Mac Mall - Illegal Business
Mac Mall - Untouchable
Mack 10 - Mack 10
MC Eiht - Death Threatz
MC Ren - Shock of the Hour
Pooh-Man - Judgement Day
Potna Deuce - Welcome to the Tilt
Rappin 4 Tay - Off Parole
Raw Fusion - Live From the Styleetron
Ray Luv - Definition of a Hustler
RBX - RBX Filez
Richie Rich - Seasoned Veteran
Souls of Mischief - No Man's Land
Spice 1 - 187 He Wrote
Suga T - Paper Chasin (Here Hustlin)
Too Short - Cocktales
Too Short - Album Number 10
Volume 10 - Hip-Hopera
Warren G - Regulate...G Funk Era
WC & Maad Circle - Curb Servin'
Young Lay - Black & Dangerous
3 mics
2Pac - 2Pacalypse Now
Above the Law - Vocally Pimpin EP
Aceyalone - All Balls Don't Bounce
B Legit - The Hemp Museum
C Bo - Gas Chamber
Coz - King of Kali
Dazzie Dee - Where's My Receipt?
Delinquent Habits - Delinquent Habits
Digital Underground - Body Hat Syndrome
Digital Underground - Future Rhythm
DOC - Helter Skelter
Domino - Physical Funk
Funkdoobiest - Which Doobie U B?
I Smooth 7 - Ghetto Love
JT The Bigga Figga - Playaz N The Game
Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme
L.A. Nash - L.A. Nash
MC Ren - Da Villain in Black
Mista Grimm - Situation Grimm
Paris - The Devil Made Me Do It
Poppa LQ - Your Entertainment, My Reality
Raw Fusion - Hoochiefied Funk
RBL Posse - Ruthless By Law
South Central Cartel - N Gatz We Truss
The B.U.M.S. - Lyfe and Tyme
The Nonce - World Ultimate
Tone Loc - Cool Hand Loc
Thug Life - Volume 1
Xzibit - At the Speed Of Life
Yo Yo - Total Control
V/A - Bay Area Playas
2 1/2 mics
Ant Banks - The Big Badass
BG Knocc Out & Dresta - Real Brothas
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of da Siccness
Celly Cel - Killa Kali
Compton's Most Wanted - It's a Compton Thang
Duce Duce - A Sip of the Duce
Eazy E - It's On (Dr. Dre 187) Killa
Hi-C - Swing'n
Lil 1/2 Dead - The Dead Has Arisen
Mac Vo - Player IV Life
N.O.T.S. (Niggaz Off The Street) - True Blue II Y.O.L.O
2 mics
415 - Nu Niggaz On Tha Blokkk
Wessyde Goon Squad - Around the World
West Coast Rap Allstars - We're All In the Same Gang
1 1/2 mics
None
1 mic
None
peace,
tnp
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So what about Warren G´s; Regulate,The G-Funk Era album?
The Source gave it 3.5/5.... is it a overall classic or just a West Coast classic?
Warren G; Regulate The G-Funk Era review
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at the end of the poll just add the totals up!
yes g funk classic is a classic.cost me £18.99 way back when.just was playing that and dogg food this weekend.
i picked 5 from ya list but could of picked more
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I picked...
Dogg Pound- Dogg Food
Warren G- Regulators... G Funk Era
Rass Kass- Soul On Ice
props to Chad Vader for this thread, he's easily the best poster we have in this section of the forum
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it could be that chad, but im from the uk and hhc (british hip hop mag) fucking hated this album & warren g. alot of my friends who dont like rap thought this was a great cd back in the day also
it depends on the reviewer also, if a reviewer doesnt like west coast music or indeed the rapper, the reviews are never going to be that good. i know warren g aint a lyrical assassin so to speak but the whole album is great not 1 skip over track evert track is great. same with dogg food. i played it for a friend on saturday and he was amazed by it. he had heard a lot of the pound solo stuff & there newer stuff he couldnt believe he hadnt heard it ( he had heard nyny,bomb azz pussy, lets playhouse).
lets face it the west coast ruled the 90s lol
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I picked...
Dogg Pound- Dogg Food
Warren G- Regulators... G Funk Era
Rass Kass- Soul On Ice
you can pick 5 ;)
props to Chad Vader for this thread, he's easily the best poster we have in this section of the forum
Thanx for the compliment ;)
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chad u got g funk era up there twice
My bad mistake.... too bad I can´t edit the poll :-\
at the end of the poll just add the totals up!
ok ;)
yes g funk classic is a classic. cost me £18.99 way back when. just was playing that and dogg food this weekend.
i picked 5 from ya list but could of picked more
They only gave it 3.5,so "East Coast heads" don´t feel the same way... could it be that it´s just a "West Coast Classic"?
it could be that chad, but I'm from the UK and hhc (British hip hop mag) fucking hated this album & warren g.
alot of my friends who don't like rap thought this was a great CD back in the day also
it depends on the reviewer also, if a reviewer doesn't like west coast music or indeed the rapper, the reviews are never going to be that good.
I know warren g ain't a lyrical assassin so to speak but the whole album is great not 1 skip over track every track is great.
I know HHC,they hated West Coast rap. They Gave The Chronic 3.5,Shock Of The Hour 1 :o :-X :-[ >:(
They was on some anti Gangster Rap shit,and loved Alternative Rap (Native tongues etc.) to death. :-\
Anyway... I personally would agree that Warren's first album is pretty dope and a West Coast classic... but not sure if it's a overall classic.
Same with dogg food.
I played it for a friend on Saturday and he was amazed by it.
He had heard a lot of the pound solo stuff & there newer stuff he couldn't believe he hadn't heard it ( he had heard nyny,bomb azz pussy, lets playhouse).
lets face it the west coast ruled the 90s lol
We had a long convo about Dogg Food in the Pre-thread.
collected it here;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189052.msg1931317#msg1931317
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Thanks for the HD review.
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Can you check out that Half Dead review? :D
Here you go ;)
Lil´Half Dead; The Dead Has Arisen review in The Source Magazine Feb.95
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Thanks for the HD review.
So what do you think? What do you think it deserves?
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when it comes to the criteria the source is looking for i have to say that
the pharcyde - bizarre ride II the pharcyde is definitely a classic based on lyrics, superb production by j-swift and that shit is one of the most original and innovative albums ever with its various subject matters.
cypress hill - cypress hill again is another pure classic.. the lyrics by breal were sick and sen dog was a good back up, muggs just went above n beyond with the production... dre and rza bit some styles from muggs no joke.. the shit was innovative.. they were the first to talk about WEED! look how many people they influenced.. snoop, bone, redman, etc.
n.w.a - niggaz4life ... the lyrics and production fuckin top notch shit.. no real innovation but u heard some of the beginnings of G-Funk on songs like alwayz into Somethin
wsc - bow down ... lyrics production classic.. first rap supergroup..
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props to Chad Vader for this thread, he's easily the best poster we have in this section of the forum
yep :sun:
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Now for the REAL shock of the hour. HHC gave Ren´s album a whooping 1 "mic" out of 5. WTF? Fuck Em!
40 MC Ren; Shock of the hour review Hip Hop Connection
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So what do you think? What do you think it deserves?
It's a classic in my eyes, but i'm a big Dogg Pound Gang fan. The beats are great, but like the review said the lyrics are "sub-par".
I really can't choose how many mics it should get, but 2 and ½? :P
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So what do you think? What do you think it deserves?
It's a classic in my eyes, but I'm a big Dogg Pound Gang fan.
The beats are great, but like the review said the lyrics are "sub-par".
I really can't choose how many Mic's it should get, but 2 and ½? :P
2.5 is pretty harsh... that's straight hating.
That said i don't think the album is all that either,it don't have any stand out tracks or any wak tracks. (if that makes any sense to you?). :P ;)
I would probably rate it around 3-3.5.... (in other words average) ;)
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NO LIQUID SWORDS??
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So what do you think? What do you think it deserves?
It's a classic in my eyes, but I'm a big Dogg Pound Gang fan.
The beats are great, but like the review said the lyrics are "sub-par".
I really can't choose how many Mic's it should get, but 2 and ½? :P
2.5 is pretty harsh... that's straight hating.
That said i don't think the album is all that either,it don't have any stand out tracks or any wak tracks. (if that makes any sense to you?). :P ;)
I would probably rate it around 3-3.5.... (in other words average) ;)
sounds fair to me
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Eazy-E; It´s On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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Too Short; Get in Where you fit in review in The Source December 1993 NO.51
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I see there´s a couple cats that feel that Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of the Siccness is classic..... as you can read below it got 2.5 :P
Brotha Lynch Hung-Season of da Siccness (Source review)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of da Siccness
September 1995 issue
2 1/2 mics
After a suprisingly successful underground debut (that stemmed from the Bay Area) Brotha Lynch Hung is back to spread his evil-laced lyrics across America.
After appearing on his debut in a coffin, many of his fans actually believed he had died.
In reality, the cover just fit in with the horrific, devilish theme that surrounds his music.
We're talking about a guy who rhymes about everything from having sex with corpses to busting caps. The odd twist is that he's a damn good rapper.
His latest opens with his dopest cut "Siccmade," which deals with the previously mentioned topics.
With a nice rhyme flow, backed by gloomy guitars and doomsday piano chords, you're somewhat taken away from the sick topics being discussed,
and anticipation for a decent album rises.
The mediocre production of cuts like "Return of da Baby," a track about eating babies
(which is depressing because you realize what level hip-hop has sunk to), just isn't enough to overcome the disgusting lyrics.
There are other decent cuts like "Locc 2 Da Brain," a posse cut which features Brotha Lynch's fellow loccs.
The flyest MC is a nameless female whoes flow reminds you of Marvelous (another underground star from Cali).
"Datz Real Gangsta Shit" and "Real Loccs" (a shout-out track with the tightest beats on the album) are also worth mentioning.
The remaining joints struggle as Brotha Lynch tries to shock listeners on a whole other level.
At times he too closely resembles Spice 1, but compared to most lightweight gangsta MCs, he's still a super-middleweight.
Hopefully the next time Brotha Lynch emerges from the grave he'll be reporting on real day-to-day tales from the street instead of his wacky tales from the crypt.
review by Raymond "Da Ill Mantis" Cunningham
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Too Short review in The Source February 1995 NO.65.
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Spice 1; 187 He Wrote review in The Source November 1993 NO.50 Rating; 3.5 out of 5
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Scans of The Source's reviews of East Coast classic albums... (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=175058.msg1792915#msg1792915)
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Umm...How About Cypress Hill - IV??? That One Is A Classic For Me!
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By chance could you redo that Eazy-E It's On review.. the glare from the light killed the right hand border and it's hard to read.
Props on these very in-depth threads you do. Love reading all these reviews I've never read. But fuck the Source and some of their opinions on these albums. You can see the East Coast bias in their reviews.
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By chance could you redo that Eazy-E It's On review.. the glare from the light killed the right hand border and it's hard to read.
will do... remind if I forget... ;)
Props on these very in-depth threads you do.
thanx ;)
Love reading all these reviews I've never read.
But fuck the Source and some of their opinions on these albums.
You can see the East Coast bias in their reviews.
;)
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Chad.. pst.. here's my reminder :P
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Eazy-E; It´s On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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By chance could you redo that Eazy-E It's On review.. the glare from the light killed the right hand border and it's hard to read.
Eazy-E; It´s On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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Two things.
nr.1 wgy the FUCK hasent kokane`s funk upon a rhyme gotten any more votes? its probly one of the 5 best albums ever!!!!
nr.2 Where is the WC albums???
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DJ Quik; Safe+Sound and 2Pac; Me Against The World review in The Source April 1995 #67
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2Pac; Me Against The World review in The Source April 1995 #67 part 2
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Eazy-E; It´s On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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By chance could you redo that Eazy-E It's On review.. the glare from the light killed the right hand border and it's hard to read.
Eazy-E; It´s On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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WTF I was disgusted by that review that Cd is classic from start to finish. The reviewer is obviously a dr dre groupie
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Eazy-E; It's On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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By chance could you redo that Eazy-E It's On review.. the glare from the light killed the right hand border and it's hard to read.
Eazy-E; It's On.... review in The Source December 1993 NO.51 2.5 out of 5
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WTF I was disgusted by that review that Cd is classic from start to finish.
The reviewer is obviously a Dr Dre groupie
Don't know about that :P
"Real MF´n G's" is a bonafied classic,but the rest?
I would probably rate the EP somewhere around 3-3.5/5 ;)
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^^^^yeah, let's not overrate it.
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^^^^yeah, let's not overrate it.
;)
There's a; Revisited Eazy-E's discography thread coming... so lets see what we come up with there. ;)
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Two things.
nr.1 why the FUCK hasn't kokane`s funk upon a rhyme gotten any more votes?
its probably one of the 5 best albums ever!!!!
I like his first album (Who Am I?) better. ;)
Funk upon a rhyme is overrated ;) (in my opinion)
Kokane; "Funk upon a rhyme" review in The Source
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nr.2 Where is the WC albums???
The album listed comes from this pre-thread;
5/5 albums (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0)
so blame the cats in that thread for not listing any WC albums as classics ;)
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NO LIQUID SWORDS??
Maybe you should do East Coast version of this topic? :P
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The Source Magazine's 5 Mic Rap Albums
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/scottbdoug/the_source_magazines_5_mic_rap_albums
Run-D.M.C.
Run-D.M.C. (1984)
Godfather Hats: Gold chains and black leather jackets. The young trio of Run-DMC made it clear that they did not aspire to the space-age theatrics of Afrika Bambaataa or the street-glam fashion of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Nor did the Hollis, Queens, crew buy into the early hip-hop formula that stressed 12-inch singles over full-length albums.
Run-DMC’s self-titled debut is simply hip-hop’s first classic album, setting a stylistic and musical precedent for future rap releases.
The stripped-down beats and rhyme production of “Sucker MCs” was a shocking revolution during hip-hop’s funk band era, and “Rock Box” introduced the dynamic pairing of rock guitars over hip-hop tracks.
Run and DMC’s tough-minded yet witty lyricism was versatile, whether they were reporting on the harsh realities of the day (“Hard Times”) or bigging-up the turntable supremacy of their DJ (“Jam Master Jay” ). But this was only the beginning for these three kids.
2
LL Cool J
Radio (1985)
3
Beastie Boys
Licensed to Ill (1986)
Back when Marshall Mathers was catching hell from DeAngelo Bailey, these white-boy denizens from New York’s Lower East Side were making it okay for folks of a lighter shade to grab the mic. Although Ad-Rock, Mike D and MCA’s debut, Licensed To Ill, was rooted in hip-hop’s boom-bap, there was a peculiar smug pre-slacker sensibility that proved popular with Middle America.
Unlike their contemporaries, the Beasties could play with hip-hop in new ways. The narrative on “Paul Revere” was deliciously twisted and the beats on “Hold It Now, Hit It” and “Brass Monkey” were irregular and anarchaic. The album was a masterwork of attitude, birthing classics such as the burly “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party),” which remains a potent after-hours anthem. White men may not be able to jump, but this trio destroyed the premise that Caucasians couldn’t be slammin’ on the microphone.
4
Run-D.M.C.
Raising Hell (1986)
Yeah, it’s 1985’s King of Rock is credited with introducing Run-DMC’s b-boy rock to the commercial masses. But Raising Hell propelled the pioneering trio to icon status, as Run, DMC and Jam Master Jay became the first hip-hop group to attain platinum sales and be embraced by MTV.
You know the songs, “Peter Piper,” “My Adidas” and “It’s Tricky” are the stuff hip-hop classics are made of. “You Be Illin’” is still flat-out hilarious (Run DMC’s mentally challenged character orders a Big Mac at a Kentucky Fried Chicken), and the heavy 808 bass drop of “Dumb Girl” can still bust the tweeters of any sound system.
The trump card, however, was “Walk This Way,” their groundbreaking cover and collaboration with a seemingly washed up Aerosmith. Every rap-inspired rocker from Kid Rock to Linkin Park should get on their knees every night and thank the sweet Lord that underrated producer Rick Rubin and the hard-core hip-hop group rerecorded a dusty breakbeat favorite.
5
Boogie Down Productions
Criminal Minded (1987)
Schoolly D’s self-titled debut, Boogie Down Production’s Criminal Minded stands as a precursor to gangsta rap, an irony in the 15-year career of Kris “KRS-ONE” Parker. Although KRS would go on to initiate the Stop The Violence movement in 1989, the album is a testimony to the violent politics of the streets at that time.
On the dancehall reggae-influenced “9MM Goes Bang,” KRS mockingly bucked down “Peter” the drug dealer. “The Bridge Is Over,” which delivered body blows to Juice Crew’s MC Shan, was one of the templates for all ego bruising dis records. And acting as the East Coast model for N.W.A’s “Straight Outta Compton” was the bad boy anthem “South Bronx,” which initiated the battle between Shan & KRS.
But inside Kris lurked a socially conscious individual fighting to come out. “Poetry” found him forecasting his eventual edutainment doctrine with lines like “I am teaching a class, or rather school/ ‘Cause you need schooling/ I am not a king or a queen, I’m not ruling.”
6
Eric B. & Rakim
Paid in Full (1987)
More than any other album release of 1987, Eric B. & Rakim’s “Paid In Full” forecasted hip-hop’s Golden Age. Eric B.’s James Brown-infused production on such breakthrough tracks as “Eric B. For President” and “I Know You Got Soul” were ominously funky- – a departure from the crushing rock beats of LL Cool J and Run-DMC.
But more importantly, Paid In Full was marked by the debut of hip-hop’s most influential lyricist, Rakim. Suddenly, opposing rappers were required to do more than just rhyme about Adidas, Kangols and gold chains. His low key yet fiery lyrical arsenal was one of the first to utilize Five Percent Nation idealogy and complex rhyme cadences that seemed more poetic than street. But it was the intricate verbal jabs of “I Ain’t No Joke” that signaled the end of hip-hop’s old school regime: “Write a rhyme in graffiti in every show you see me in/ Deep concentration, ‘cause I’m no comedian.”
Mcing would never be the same.
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Big Daddy Kane
Long Live the Kane (1988)
He was just fresher than the rest. So full of action, his name, as he suggested on the battle-rhyme blueprint “Raw,” really should have been a verb.
When a pompous Big Daddy Kane debuted with 1988’s Long Live The Kane, he could care less about playing his position. Much like the Kangol-endorsing teenager from Hollis, Queens, did years earlier, he came, saw and conquered – with much emphasis on conquered.
“Raw” hinted at his brash arrogance. “Ain’t No Half Steppin’” confirmed it with lines like “For you to beat me/ It’s gonna take a miracle.” Though the album was dominated by this grab-my-dick motif (“Set It Off” and “Long Live The Kane”), Kane did have a keen social awareness, as evidenced on “I’ll Take You There.” Envisioning a place where war is relegated to video games and crack can only be found on walls, Brooklyn’s finest showed the range that eventually crowned him king of his era.
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Boogie Down Productions
By All Means Necessary (1988)
The first of many tragedies to mar hip-hop, Scott La Rock’s August 1987 murder could’ve sunk his Bronx-based Boogie Down Productions crew. Yet, somehow, his protégé KRS-One managed to follow Criminal Minded with 10 tracks of concentrated potency in the form of “By All Means Necessary”.
With songs like “I’m still #1,” featuring the verse that buried Melle Mel, the record cemented BDP’s rep as rap’s most fearsome sound system.
Opening with “My Philosophy” and closing with “Necessary,” the LP also introduced us to KRS-One as the wise, peaceful Teacher and foreshadowed his gift for contradiction. After all, on the album cover, he clutches an Uzi, mimicking the famous photo of Malcolm X, while “Illegal Busines,” “Jimmy” and “Stop The Violence” dropped science on sex, drugs and violence in America.
Thugging, battle-rapping and philosophizing, KRS made us believe his boasts that BDP would be here forever.
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EPMD
Strictly Business (1988)
The outskirts of New York City had a potent voice in the late ‘80’s. Alongside Strong Island natives Eric B. & Rakim and Public Enemy, EPMD were so ahead of their time it was downright scary. With their funk-sweltering debut, Strictly Business, these two boys from Brentwood, Long Island, had an influence on the sound of the West Coast by incorporating funk into hip-hop.
Out of nowehere, Erick Sermon’s trademark lisp and Parrish Smith’s monotonous flow poured over the wobbling, warbling funk of a mysterious “double-A” side, yellow-and-black single, “It’s My Thing” b/w “You’re A Customer.”
But these suburbanites had a few more tricks in their bag. While rappers like Big Daddy Kane and BDP rhymed over rugged, streetwise tracks, E-Double spearheaded the duo’s groove revolution by sampling artists like P-Fuink and Zapp to construct dance floor-packing hits like “You Gots To Chill. And although it took a little longer than Erick bragged on “So What Cha Sayin’,” the LP did eventually go gold.
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Jungle Brothers
Straight Out the Jungle (1988)
The Jungle Brothers kicked off the Native Tongues era with 1988’s Straight Outta The Jungle, a bold declaration of Afrocentric pride and genre-splicing experimentation.
Unlike their mid-80’s predecessors, Mike G and Afrika Baby Bam didn’t just rap about themselves (though they weren’t afraid of a good sex rhyme). They made their album a political platform.
“What’s Going On?” sampled the Marvin Gaye track of the same name, and “Black Is Black” (which featured a young Q-Tip making his debut) was a potent race manifesto. The JBs also weren’t afraid of the dance floor, meshing hip-hop with house music on the anthemic “I’ll House You” and filing out many other tracks with energetic, James Brown- style horns lines.
Though De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest gained more fame, the Jungle Brothers got there first, paving the way for spiritual and political hip-hop.
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N.W.A
Straight Outta Compton (1988)
If the streets ever had anything to say, N.W.A’s revolutionary debut, Straight Outta Compton, served as its definitive voice. Although hip-hop eggheads initially shunned these original gangstas’ criminal-minded approach, the album remains one of hip-hop’s most influential.
While Public Enemy injected heavy doses of self-empowerment and social analysis into their musical attack on the establishment, N.W.A simply threatened to rob it and burn it down. Seconds after the album’s violent, jarring, rampageous title track exploded, Compton instantaneously became a hip-hop landmark.
Dr. Dre’s production genius was undeniable and Ice Cube’s chilling Charles Manson-inspired prophecies frightened America.When MC Ren, Cube, Dre and the late Eazy-E protested police brutality by returning fire with “Fuck Tha Police,” the FBI threats began. Meanwhile, slick, funk-injected villainous anthems like “Dopeman” and “Gangsta, Gangsta” placed listeners in their criminal mindset, making it acceptable to root for the “bad guy”.
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Public Enemy
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988)
South African Apartheid was in full effect. Reganomics was raping inner cities. Crack was on a rampage. And Black Power was playing dead. So Public Enemy HAD to do it. They had to drop a second album that would slap our 14-carat asses back to the righteousness Malcolm X represented.
This mission demanded a musical Uzi that weighed a ton. So the Bomb Squad painstakingly crafted street beats using below-the-belt bass, siren-like horns and revolutionary sound bites. Flav bought the agitated ad-libs, and Chuck D unleashed his pure rhyme animalism.
The result was a compendium of classics: “Rebel Without a Pause,” “Bring The Noise,” “Don’t Believe The Hype,” “Night of the Living Baseheads.” And those were just the singles. It’s a no-brainer, It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back slammed jams def enough to make a generation trade in their truck jewelry for stop watches on strings
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Slick Rick
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick (1988)
Ask any MC. Go ‘head, ask ‘em. From Jay-Z to Nas to Snoop Dogg, so many of today’s most successful rappers have borrowed something or another from the original ruler, Slick Rick. That’s because they all know who mastered the art of storytellin’ in hip-hop.
After he and Doug E. Fresh made history together with songs like “The Show” and “Lad Di Da Di,” Rick debuted with his solo effort, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick.
Slick Rick (along with his alter-ego MC Ricky D) took hip-hop on a journey throughout The Great Adventures, covering every color of the spectrum.
The classic party cut “Mona Lisa,” the storytellin’ jewel “Children’s Story” and the introspective “Hey Young World” all have endured the test of time. With his Brit-accented flow, Rick went from hardcore (“Lick The Balls”) to love story (“Teenage Love”) in the blink of an eye - a quality not easily mastered.
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Ultramagnetic MC's
Critical Beatdown (1988)
Kool Keith became the lyrically perverted Dr. Octagon, he was the left-field rap pugilist who pulled no punches. He used the wop-inducing “Ego Trip,” which successfully jacked the classic “Substitution” breakbeat drum patterns (bah-boom b-b-b-bap, boom-b-b-b-bap) to blast Run-DMC’s “Peter Piper” (“Say what, Peter Piper?/Hell with childish rhymes”).
Ced G, Ultra’s production arm, who also laid the musical foundation for KRS’s Criminal Minded, took hip-hop tracks to nerdy heights, pairing obscure samples and doeses of technical know-how with Keith’s lyrical oddballing. Critical Beatdown’s underground aesthetic, which included sampling Star Wars on “Ease Back,” predated the backpack-and-notebook scene that emerged much later.
With Beatdown, Ultra stood on rap’s periphery throwing stones at its central figures, thumbing their noses at the parade of MCs who passed them by to claim prominent places in hip-hop history. And so, one of hip-hop’s most original albums received critical acclaim but has been beat down by the passage of time.
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The D.O.C.
No One Can Do It Better (1989)
Along with being the principle architect of N.W.A’s menacing, groundbreaking West Coast sound through much of the late ‘80’s and early 90’s, Dr. Dre was also an influential talent broker, whose 1989 introduction of Texas-born lyricist the D.O.C. preceded high-profile discoveries such as Snoop Dogg and Eminem.
However, the D.O.C.’s confident debut, No One Can Do It Better, was not the typical Niggaz With Attitude threat. Clearly, he was a streetwise rhymer more interested in battling MCs than busting caps on wax, as evidenced on tracks such as “The Formula” and “The D.O.C. & The Doctor.”
The platinum album’s barrage of groove-heavy live guitar, drums and keyboard synthesizers allowed space for his authoritative vocal presence to sine (“It’s Funky Enough”) – vocals that were tragically cut short after a life-threatening car accident. Yet, along with the extensive writing credits on The Chronic, No One Can Do It Better remains an influential work revered by hardcore rap aficionados.
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A Tribe Called Quest
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (1990)
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Brand Nubian
One for All (1990)
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Eric B. & Rakim
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em (1990)
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Geto Boys
Grip It! On That Other Level (1989)
we said then: Bushwick Bill the midget "ain't kissin no ass to be accepted" and partner Willie D is kickin' "'mo ass than a donkey." (May 90)
What we say now: While the review singled out Bushwick Bill's perverted bravado and Willie D's uncouth, stinging rhymes, it overlooked Brad Jordan. Without him, there would be no "Scarface," a cut that portrays a ghetto-glamorized Fifth Ward version of Tony Montana, or crude treasures like "Gangsta of Love." In addition, the Geto Boy's rawer-than-sushi LP is so nice that the legendary Rick Rubin remixed the album, releasing it twice.
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Ice Cube
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (1990)
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Main Source
Breaking Atoms (1991)
we said then: As a debut, Breaking Atoms is a beacon of hope that New York artists can continue to advance rap to new heights of musical and lyrical depth. (May 91)
What we say now: The original review reads like it's describing a five-mic LP. From the sour relationship, boo-chanting "Looking At The Front Door" to the subtle sampling of Large Professor, Breaking Atoms blazed trails that are still less traveled to this day (see Nas' "I Gave You Power" for the Professor's large conceptual influence). The powerful posse cut "Live at the Barbecue," featuring Nas and Akinyele, merits the additional half mic alone.
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A Tribe Called Quest
The Low End Theory (1991)
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De La Soul
De La Soul Is Dead (1991)
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Ice Cube
Death Certificate (1991)
we said then: People may have been expecting to hear a "politically correct" Ice Cube record. (Jan 92)
What we say now: On his second solo release, his first as a member of the Nation, Cube achieves a yet-to-be-matched balance between hard-core and conscious rap. On tracks like "I Wanna Kill Sam," "Black Korea" and "True To The Game," he not only rails against the government, exploitative Korean merchants and money-loving sellouts, but also attacks his enemies with the ruthlessness of a gangsta. Sure, he's slangin' bean pies and St. Ides in the same sentence, but we love the music anyway.
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Dr. Dre
The Chronic (1992)
we said then: One cut, "Lil Ghetto Boy," could go but that's about it...Overall, an innovative and progressive hip-hop package. (Feb 93)
What we say now: Dre's lovely, funk-laden, Cali-scorched beats on The Chronic set a standard for production that has never been exceeded. And with fellow Death Row inmates Snoop, Daz and Kurupt spitting smooth, gang-affiliated venom on every track, this ode to California living has become one of the greatest hip-hop albums ever created - "Lil Ghetto Boy" included.
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Snoop Dogg
Doggystyle (1993)
we said then: Doggystyle is only half the album we were expecting. The other half, the stuff that would have blown us away a year ago, now seems average by 1994 standards. (Feb 94)
What we say now: Not sure what we were smokin', but if today's rappers would drop a joint half as nice as Doggystyle, hip-hop would sound a whole lot better, Virtually every song on Snoop's debut is a classic ("Gin and Juice," "Ain't No Fun," etc). Unfortunately, nobody makes music like this anymore. Not even snoop.
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Wu-Tang Clan
Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993)
we said then: This album is a throwback to the days of 1986-87, when rap was filled with honesty, greatness and skill. (Feb 94)
What we say now: The Wu-Tang Clan undoubtedly restored feelings of the good ol' days. But they also set a new benchmark in the realm of hard-core hip-hop with songs like "Protect Ya Neck" and "C.R.E.A.M." Enter The Wu-Tang influenced and inspired an entire generation of fans who yearned to copy the many styles of these nine Shaolin masters.
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Nas
Illmatic (1994)
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The Notorious B.I.G.
Ready to Die (1994)
we said then: Some of the beats get a little repetetive ("Me & My Bitch," "Respect") and the two sex skits are annoying. (Oct 94)
What we say now: Dark and lovely. That about sums up Easy Mo Bee and DJ Premier's board work on Ready To Die. Balancing those instrumentals are clever up-tempo samples manipulated by Chucky Thompson and TrackMasters. And, as brainless as the sex skits are, they're an entertaining glimpse into the persona that would help the legendary MC soar to "big" heights.
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Scarface
The Diary (1994)
we said then: They say you should never read someone's diary because you may find something you didn't want to know. (Jan 95)
What we say now: Listening to Scarface's inner thoughts is truly a Pandora's box experience. Caught somewhere between sanity and a nervous breakdow, his lyrics make listeners believe he converses with the grim reaper. Although The Diary is as dark and jarring as a suicide note, it's easily his most distinguished body of work.
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Mobb Deep
The Infamous... (1995)
we said then: The Infamous falls short of classics like Illmatic and Strictly Business but definitely upholds their tradition. It proves once again that Queensbridge heads don't play. (Jun 95)
What we say now: Prodigy's thugged-out entertainment and Havoc's sonic production on cuts like the bone-chilling "Shook Ones Pt. ll" and the stick-up-kid anthem "Give Up The Goods" proved tp be timeless street joints in the same vein as "Life's a Bitch" and "You Gots To Chill." The album was a staple for all hardheaded delinquents comin' up in the game.
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Raekwon
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... (1995)
we said then: The beats are solid and while many aren't as catchy as those on previous Wu solo joints, the tracks are suited to distinct flow of the Chef. (Sep 95)
What we say now: This LP beats out any other Wu project in terms of "catchiness." As memorable as Raekwon's loungin' big-dick-style bravado is, it's those looped Mr. Softee bells that take center stage on "Ice Cream." And if "Incarcerated Scarfaces" isn't considered crack-rock catchy, maybe the word needs to be redefined.
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2Pac
Me Against the World (1995)
we said then: Me Against The World is quite simply a manifestation of 2Pac's talents becoming completely whole as they are mixed with the tracks that may, for a change, overshadow him. (Apr 95)
What we say now: Yes, Pac finally found tracks able to compete with his subject matter and flow on Me Against The World. But suggesting he was overshadowed by the production may have been overstating things a bit. It would take quite a backdrop to exceed his tales of run-ins with the law, Black Panther ideology and appreciation of Afeni Shakur.
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Fugees
The Score (1996)
we said then: What really holds this album together is its tight production, courtesy of the Refugee camp with an assist from their man Salaam Remi. (March '96)
What we say now: While the tracks did captapault Wylcef Jean into hip-hop's elite production circle, the lyrics played an undeniable role in making The Score one of the most thought-provoking rap albums of the '90s. Recall a sly Lauryn claiming to "play her enemies like a game of chess" on "Ready Or Not."
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Jay-Z
Reasonable Doubt (1996)
we said then: In terms of subject matter, Jay-Z isn't saying anything new. It's the same 'ol criminal melodrama that you hear on so many rap LPs nowadays. (Aug 96)
What we say now: Although hustling on wax in 1996 was more common than a Bad Boy R&B jack, Jay's recollections of his street occupation are pregnant with detail. While MC Drug Lord would do no more than tell us that he made his living in the streets, Shawn Carter went further by meticulously explaining the reasons for his illegal activities. Songs like "Politics As Usual" clearly describe a man torn between his conscience and love of money. Ain't nothing same 'ol about that.
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2Pac
All Eyez on Me (1996)
we say: Whether exacting revenge on his foes on "Ambition az a Ridah," making up for lost time on "California Love" or searching for the meaning of existence on "Life Goes On" and "Only God Can Judge Me," Pac fully epitomizes the ghetto-fabulous lifestyle on this album, becoming the quintessential artist most rappers secretely desire to be. Even after his death on September 13, 1996, thug life lives on.
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The Notorious B.I.G.
Life After Death (1997)
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OutKast
Aquemini (1998)
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Dr. Dre
2001 (1999)
we said then: If his 2001 has one glaring flaw (other than too many skits), it's that we don't hear him alone enough. The overloaded of guests makes some tracks sound cluttered. (Jan '00)
What we say now: While The Chronic does rely on a smaller core of gangsta MCs, Dre turned the sequel, Dre 2001, into a crowded West Coast block party. But the funk-in-outer-space production that runs throughout the LP makes up for the extra unnecessary verse or two. The album also proved that Eminem was capable of delivering more than a nasal flow and initiated the mainstream validation of Xzibit. It's time-tested and sure-to-get-you-high classic material.
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Nas
Stillmatic (2001)
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Jay-Z
The Blueprint (2001)
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Scarface
The Fix (2002)
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Lil' Kim
The Naked Truth (2005)
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Run-D.M.C.
Run-D.M.C. (1984)
Godfather Hats: Gold chains and black leather jackets. The young trio of Run-DMC made it clear that they did not aspire to the space-age theatrics of Afrika Bambaataa or the street-glam fashion of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Nor did the Hollis, Queens, crew buy into the early hip-hop formula that stressed 12-inch singles over full-length albums.
Run-DMC’s self-titled debut is simply hip-hop’s first classic album, setting a stylistic and musical precedent for future rap releases.
The stripped-down beats and rhyme production of “Sucker MCs” was a shocking revolution during hip-hop’s funk band era, and “Rock Box” introduced the dynamic pairing of rock guitars over hip-hop tracks.
Run and DMC’s tough-minded yet witty lyricism was versatile, whether they were reporting on the harsh realities of the day (“Hard Times”) or bigging-up the turntable supremacy of their DJ (“Jam Master Jay” ). But this was only the beginning for these three kids.
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LL Cool J
Radio (1985)
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Beastie Boys
Licensed to Ill (1986)
Back when Marshall Mathers was catching hell from DeAngelo Bailey, these white-boy denizens from New York’s Lower East Side were making it okay for folks of a lighter shade to grab the mic. Although Ad-Rock, Mike D and MCA’s debut, Licensed To Ill, was rooted in hip-hop’s boom-bap, there was a peculiar smug pre-slacker sensibility that proved popular with Middle America.
Unlike their contemporaries, the Beasties could play with hip-hop in new ways. The narrative on “Paul Revere” was deliciously twisted and the beats on “Hold It Now, Hit It” and “Brass Monkey” were irregular and anarchaic. The album was a masterwork of attitude, birthing classics such as the burly “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party),” which remains a potent after-hours anthem. White men may not be able to jump, but this trio destroyed the premise that Caucasians couldn’t be slammin’ on the microphone.
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Run-D.M.C.
Raising Hell (1986)
Yeah, it’s 1985’s King of Rock is credited with introducing Run-DMC’s b-boy rock to the commercial masses. But Raising Hell propelled the pioneering trio to icon status, as Run, DMC and Jam Master Jay became the first hip-hop group to attain platinum sales and be embraced by MTV.
You know the songs, “Peter Piper,” “My Adidas” and “It’s Tricky” are the stuff hip-hop classics are made of. “You Be Illin’” is still flat-out hilarious (Run DMC’s mentally challenged character orders a Big Mac at a Kentucky Fried Chicken), and the heavy 808 bass drop of “Dumb Girl” can still bust the tweeters of any sound system.
The trump card, however, was “Walk This Way,” their groundbreaking cover and collaboration with a seemingly washed up Aerosmith. Every rap-inspired rocker from Kid Rock to Linkin Park should get on their knees every night and thank the sweet Lord that underrated producer Rick Rubin and the hard-core hip-hop group rerecorded a dusty breakbeat favorite.
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Boogie Down Productions
Criminal Minded (1987)
Schoolly D’s self-titled debut, Boogie Down Production’s Criminal Minded stands as a precursor to gangsta rap, an irony in the 15-year career of Kris “KRS-ONE” Parker. Although KRS would go on to initiate the Stop The Violence movement in 1989, the album is a testimony to the violent politics of the streets at that time.
On the dancehall reggae-influenced “9MM Goes Bang,” KRS mockingly bucked down “Peter” the drug dealer. “The Bridge Is Over,” which delivered body blows to Juice Crew’s MC Shan, was one of the templates for all ego bruising dis records. And acting as the East Coast model for N.W.A’s “Straight Outta Compton” was the bad boy anthem “South Bronx,” which initiated the battle between Shan & KRS.
But inside Kris lurked a socially conscious individual fighting to come out. “Poetry” found him forecasting his eventual edutainment doctrine with lines like “I am teaching a class, or rather school/ ‘Cause you need schooling/ I am not a king or a queen, I’m not ruling.”
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Eric B. & Rakim
Paid in Full (1987)
More than any other album release of 1987, Eric B. & Rakim’s “Paid In Full” forecasted hip-hop’s Golden Age. Eric B.’s James Brown-infused production on such breakthrough tracks as “Eric B. For President” and “I Know You Got Soul” were ominously funky- – a departure from the crushing rock beats of LL Cool J and Run-DMC.
But more importantly, Paid In Full was marked by the debut of hip-hop’s most influential lyricist, Rakim. Suddenly, opposing rappers were required to do more than just rhyme about Adidas, Kangols and gold chains. His low key yet fiery lyrical arsenal was one of the first to utilize Five Percent Nation idealogy and complex rhyme cadences that seemed more poetic than street. But it was the intricate verbal jabs of “I Ain’t No Joke” that signaled the end of hip-hop’s old school regime: “Write a rhyme in graffiti in every show you see me in/ Deep concentration, ‘cause I’m no comedian.”
Mcing would never be the same.
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Big Daddy Kane
Long Live the Kane (1988)
He was just fresher than the rest. So full of action, his name, as he suggested on the battle-rhyme blueprint “Raw,” really should have been a verb.
When a pompous Big Daddy Kane debuted with 1988’s Long Live The Kane, he could care less about playing his position. Much like the Kangol-endorsing teenager from Hollis, Queens, did years earlier, he came, saw and conquered – with much emphasis on conquered.
“Raw” hinted at his brash arrogance. “Ain’t No Half Steppin’” confirmed it with lines like “For you to beat me/ It’s gonna take a miracle.” Though the album was dominated by this grab-my-dick motif (“Set It Off” and “Long Live The Kane”), Kane did have a keen social awareness, as evidenced on “I’ll Take You There.” Envisioning a place where war is relegated to video games and crack can only be found on walls, Brooklyn’s finest showed the range that eventually crowned him king of his era.
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Boogie Down Productions
By All Means Necessary (1988)
The first of many tragedies to mar hip-hop, Scott La Rock’s August 1987 murder could’ve sunk his Bronx-based Boogie Down Productions crew. Yet, somehow, his protégé KRS-One managed to follow Criminal Minded with 10 tracks of concentrated potency in the form of “By All Means Necessary”.
With songs like “I’m still #1,” featuring the verse that buried Melle Mel, the record cemented BDP’s rep as rap’s most fearsome sound system.
Opening with “My Philosophy” and closing with “Necessary,” the LP also introduced us to KRS-One as the wise, peaceful Teacher and foreshadowed his gift for contradiction. After all, on the album cover, he clutches an Uzi, mimicking the famous photo of Malcolm X, while “Illegal Busines,” “Jimmy” and “Stop The Violence” dropped science on sex, drugs and violence in America.
Thugging, battle-rapping and philosophizing, KRS made us believe his boasts that BDP would be here forever.
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EPMD
Strictly Business (1988)
The outskirts of New York City had a potent voice in the late ‘80’s. Alongside Strong Island natives Eric B. & Rakim and Public Enemy, EPMD were so ahead of their time it was downright scary. With their funk-sweltering debut, Strictly Business, these two boys from Brentwood, Long Island, had an influence on the sound of the West Coast by incorporating funk into hip-hop.
Out of nowehere, Erick Sermon’s trademark lisp and Parrish Smith’s monotonous flow poured over the wobbling, warbling funk of a mysterious “double-A” side, yellow-and-black single, “It’s My Thing” b/w “You’re A Customer.”
But these suburbanites had a few more tricks in their bag. While rappers like Big Daddy Kane and BDP rhymed over rugged, streetwise tracks, E-Double spearheaded the duo’s groove revolution by sampling artists like P-Fuink and Zapp to construct dance floor-packing hits like “You Gots To Chill. And although it took a little longer than Erick bragged on “So What Cha Sayin’,” the LP did eventually go gold.
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Jungle Brothers
Straight Out the Jungle (1988)
The Jungle Brothers kicked off the Native Tongues era with 1988’s Straight Outta The Jungle, a bold declaration of Afrocentric pride and genre-splicing experimentation.
Unlike their mid-80’s predecessors, Mike G and Afrika Baby Bam didn’t just rap about themselves (though they weren’t afraid of a good sex rhyme). They made their album a political platform.
“What’s Going On?” sampled the Marvin Gaye track of the same name, and “Black Is Black” (which featured a young Q-Tip making his debut) was a potent race manifesto. The JBs also weren’t afraid of the dance floor, meshing hip-hop with house music on the anthemic “I’ll House You” and filing out many other tracks with energetic, James Brown- style horns lines.
Though De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest gained more fame, the Jungle Brothers got there first, paving the way for spiritual and political hip-hop.
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N.W.A
Straight Outta Compton (1988)
If the streets ever had anything to say, N.W.A’s revolutionary debut, Straight Outta Compton, served as its definitive voice. Although hip-hop eggheads initially shunned these original gangstas’ criminal-minded approach, the album remains one of hip-hop’s most influential.
While Public Enemy injected heavy doses of self-empowerment and social analysis into their musical attack on the establishment, N.W.A simply threatened to rob it and burn it down. Seconds after the album’s violent, jarring, rampageous title track exploded, Compton instantaneously became a hip-hop landmark.
Dr. Dre’s production genius was undeniable and Ice Cube’s chilling Charles Manson-inspired prophecies frightened America.When MC Ren, Cube, Dre and the late Eazy-E protested police brutality by returning fire with “Fuck Tha Police,” the FBI threats began. Meanwhile, slick, funk-injected villainous anthems like “Dopeman” and “Gangsta, Gangsta” placed listeners in their criminal mindset, making it acceptable to root for the “bad guy”.
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Public Enemy
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988)
South African Apartheid was in full effect. Reganomics was raping inner cities. Crack was on a rampage. And Black Power was playing dead. So Public Enemy HAD to do it. They had to drop a second album that would slap our 14-carat asses back to the righteousness Malcolm X represented.
This mission demanded a musical Uzi that weighed a ton. So the Bomb Squad painstakingly crafted street beats using below-the-belt bass, siren-like horns and revolutionary sound bites. Flav bought the agitated ad-libs, and Chuck D unleashed his pure rhyme animalism.
The result was a compendium of classics: “Rebel Without a Pause,” “Bring The Noise,” “Don’t Believe The Hype,” “Night of the Living Baseheads.” And those were just the singles. It’s a no-brainer, It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back slammed jams def enough to make a generation trade in their truck jewelry for stop watches on strings
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Slick Rick
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick (1988)
Ask any MC. Go ‘head, ask ‘em. From Jay-Z to Nas to Snoop Dogg, so many of today’s most successful rappers have borrowed something or another from the original ruler, Slick Rick. That’s because they all know who mastered the art of storytellin’ in hip-hop.
After he and Doug E. Fresh made history together with songs like “The Show” and “Lad Di Da Di,” Rick debuted with his solo effort, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick.
Slick Rick (along with his alter-ego MC Ricky D) took hip-hop on a journey throughout The Great Adventures, covering every color of the spectrum.
The classic party cut “Mona Lisa,” the storytellin’ jewel “Children’s Story” and the introspective “Hey Young World” all have endured the test of time. With his Brit-accented flow, Rick went from hardcore (“Lick The Balls”) to love story (“Teenage Love”) in the blink of an eye - a quality not easily mastered.
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Ultramagnetic MC's
Critical Beatdown (1988)
Kool Keith became the lyrically perverted Dr. Octagon, he was the left-field rap pugilist who pulled no punches. He used the wop-inducing “Ego Trip,” which successfully jacked the classic “Substitution” breakbeat drum patterns (bah-boom b-b-b-bap, boom-b-b-b-bap) to blast Run-DMC’s “Peter Piper” (“Say what, Peter Piper?/Hell with childish rhymes”).
Ced G, Ultra’s production arm, who also laid the musical foundation for KRS’s Criminal Minded, took hip-hop tracks to nerdy heights, pairing obscure samples and doeses of technical know-how with Keith’s lyrical oddballing. Critical Beatdown’s underground aesthetic, which included sampling Star Wars on “Ease Back,” predated the backpack-and-notebook scene that emerged much later.
With Beatdown, Ultra stood on rap’s periphery throwing stones at its central figures, thumbing their noses at the parade of MCs who passed them by to claim prominent places in hip-hop history. And so, one of hip-hop’s most original albums received critical acclaim but has been beat down by the passage of time.
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The D.O.C.
No One Can Do It Better (1989)
Along with being the principle architect of N.W.A’s menacing, groundbreaking West Coast sound through much of the late ‘80’s and early 90’s, Dr. Dre was also an influential talent broker, whose 1989 introduction of Texas-born lyricist the D.O.C. preceded high-profile discoveries such as Snoop Dogg and Eminem.
However, the D.O.C.’s confident debut, No One Can Do It Better, was not the typical Niggaz With Attitude threat. Clearly, he was a streetwise rhymer more interested in battling MCs than busting caps on wax, as evidenced on tracks such as “The Formula” and “The D.O.C. & The Doctor.”
The platinum album’s barrage of groove-heavy live guitar, drums and keyboard synthesizers allowed space for his authoritative vocal presence to sine (“It’s Funky Enough”) – vocals that were tragically cut short after a life-threatening car accident. Yet, along with the extensive writing credits on The Chronic, No One Can Do It Better remains an influential work revered by hardcore rap aficionados.
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A Tribe Called Quest
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (1990)
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Brand Nubian
One for All (1990)
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Eric B. & Rakim
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em (1990)
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Geto Boys
Grip It! On That Other Level (1989)
we said then: Bushwick Bill the midget "ain't kissin no ass to be accepted" and partner Willie D is kickin' "'mo ass than a donkey." (May 90)
What we say now: While the review singled out Bushwick Bill's perverted bravado and Willie D's uncouth, stinging rhymes, it overlooked Brad Jordan. Without him, there would be no "Scarface," a cut that portrays a ghetto-glamorized Fifth Ward version of Tony Montana, or crude treasures like "Gangsta of Love." In addition, the Geto Boy's rawer-than-sushi LP is so nice that the legendary Rick Rubin remixed the album, releasing it twice.
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Ice Cube
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (1990)
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Main Source
Breaking Atoms (1991)
we said then: As a debut, Breaking Atoms is a beacon of hope that New York artists can continue to advance rap to new heights of musical and lyrical depth. (May 91)
What we say now: The original review reads like it's describing a five-mic LP. From the sour relationship, boo-chanting "Looking At The Front Door" to the subtle sampling of Large Professor, Breaking Atoms blazed trails that are still less traveled to this day (see Nas' "I Gave You Power" for the Professor's large conceptual influence). The powerful posse cut "Live at the Barbecue," featuring Nas and Akinyele, merits the additional half mic alone.
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A Tribe Called Quest
The Low End Theory (1991)
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De La Soul
De La Soul Is Dead (1991)
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Ice Cube
Death Certificate (1991)
we said then: People may have been expecting to hear a "politically correct" Ice Cube record. (Jan 92)
What we say now: On his second solo release, his first as a member of the Nation, Cube achieves a yet-to-be-matched balance between hard-core and conscious rap. On tracks like "I Wanna Kill Sam," "Black Korea" and "True To The Game," he not only rails against the government, exploitative Korean merchants and money-loving sellouts, but also attacks his enemies with the ruthlessness of a gangsta. Sure, he's slangin' bean pies and St. Ides in the same sentence, but we love the music anyway.
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Dr. Dre
The Chronic (1992)
we said then: One cut, "Lil Ghetto Boy," could go but that's about it...Overall, an innovative and progressive hip-hop package. (Feb 93)
What we say now: Dre's lovely, funk-laden, Cali-scorched beats on The Chronic set a standard for production that has never been exceeded. And with fellow Death Row inmates Snoop, Daz and Kurupt spitting smooth, gang-affiliated venom on every track, this ode to California living has become one of the greatest hip-hop albums ever created - "Lil Ghetto Boy" included.
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Snoop Dogg
Doggystyle (1993)
we said then: Doggystyle is only half the album we were expecting. The other half, the stuff that would have blown us away a year ago, now seems average by 1994 standards. (Feb 94)
What we say now: Not sure what we were smokin', but if today's rappers would drop a joint half as nice as Doggystyle, hip-hop would sound a whole lot better, Virtually every song on Snoop's debut is a classic ("Gin and Juice," "Ain't No Fun," etc). Unfortunately, nobody makes music like this anymore. Not even snoop.
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Wu-Tang Clan
Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993)
we said then: This album is a throwback to the days of 1986-87, when rap was filled with honesty, greatness and skill. (Feb 94)
What we say now: The Wu-Tang Clan undoubtedly restored feelings of the good ol' days. But they also set a new benchmark in the realm of hard-core hip-hop with songs like "Protect Ya Neck" and "C.R.E.A.M." Enter The Wu-Tang influenced and inspired an entire generation of fans who yearned to copy the many styles of these nine Shaolin masters.
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Nas
Illmatic (1994)
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The Notorious B.I.G.
Ready to Die (1994)
we said then: Some of the beats get a little repetetive ("Me & My Bitch," "Respect") and the two sex skits are annoying. (Oct 94)
What we say now: Dark and lovely. That about sums up Easy Mo Bee and DJ Premier's board work on Ready To Die. Balancing those instrumentals are clever up-tempo samples manipulated by Chucky Thompson and TrackMasters. And, as brainless as the sex skits are, they're an entertaining glimpse into the persona that would help the legendary MC soar to "big" heights.
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Scarface
The Diary (1994)
we said then: They say you should never read someone's diary because you may find something you didn't want to know. (Jan 95)
What we say now: Listening to Scarface's inner thoughts is truly a Pandora's box experience. Caught somewhere between sanity and a nervous breakdow, his lyrics make listeners believe he converses with the grim reaper. Although The Diary is as dark and jarring as a suicide note, it's easily his most distinguished body of work.
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Mobb Deep
The Infamous... (1995)
we said then: The Infamous falls short of classics like Illmatic and Strictly Business but definitely upholds their tradition. It proves once again that Queensbridge heads don't play. (Jun 95)
What we say now: Prodigy's thugged-out entertainment and Havoc's sonic production on cuts like the bone-chilling "Shook Ones Pt. ll" and the stick-up-kid anthem "Give Up The Goods" proved tp be timeless street joints in the same vein as "Life's a Bitch" and "You Gots To Chill." The album was a staple for all hardheaded delinquents comin' up in the game.
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Raekwon
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... (1995)
we said then: The beats are solid and while many aren't as catchy as those on previous Wu solo joints, the tracks are suited to distinct flow of the Chef. (Sep 95)
What we say now: This LP beats out any other Wu project in terms of "catchiness." As memorable as Raekwon's loungin' big-dick-style bravado is, it's those looped Mr. Softee bells that take center stage on "Ice Cream." And if "Incarcerated Scarfaces" isn't considered crack-rock catchy, maybe the word needs to be redefined.
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2Pac
Me Against the World (1995)
we said then: Me Against The World is quite simply a manifestation of 2Pac's talents becoming completely whole as they are mixed with the tracks that may, for a change, overshadow him. (Apr 95)
What we say now: Yes, Pac finally found tracks able to compete with his subject matter and flow on Me Against The World. But suggesting he was overshadowed by the production may have been overstating things a bit. It would take quite a backdrop to exceed his tales of run-ins with the law, Black Panther ideology and appreciation of Afeni Shakur.
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Fugees
The Score (1996)
we said then: What really holds this album together is its tight production, courtesy of the Refugee camp with an assist from their man Salaam Remi. (March '96)
What we say now: While the tracks did captapault Wylcef Jean into hip-hop's elite production circle, the lyrics played an undeniable role in making The Score one of the most thought-provoking rap albums of the '90s. Recall a sly Lauryn claiming to "play her enemies like a game of chess" on "Ready Or Not."
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Jay-Z
Reasonable Doubt (1996)
we said then: In terms of subject matter, Jay-Z isn't saying anything new. It's the same 'ol criminal melodrama that you hear on so many rap LPs nowadays. (Aug 96)
What we say now: Although hustling on wax in 1996 was more common than a Bad Boy R&B jack, Jay's recollections of his street occupation are pregnant with detail. While MC Drug Lord would do no more than tell us that he made his living in the streets, Shawn Carter went further by meticulously explaining the reasons for his illegal activities. Songs like "Politics As Usual" clearly describe a man torn between his conscience and love of money. Ain't nothing same 'ol about that.
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2Pac
All Eyez on Me (1996)
we say: Whether exacting revenge on his foes on "Ambition az a Ridah," making up for lost time on "California Love" or searching for the meaning of existence on "Life Goes On" and "Only God Can Judge Me," Pac fully epitomizes the ghetto-fabulous lifestyle on this album, becoming the quintessential artist most rappers secretely desire to be. Even after his death on September 13, 1996, thug life lives on.
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The Notorious B.I.G.
Life After Death (1997)
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OutKast
Aquemini (1998)
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Dr. Dre
2001 (1999)
we said then: If his 2001 has one glaring flaw (other than too many skits), it's that we don't hear him alone enough. The overloaded of guests makes some tracks sound cluttered. (Jan '00)
What we say now: While The Chronic does rely on a smaller core of gangsta MCs, Dre turned the sequel, Dre 2001, into a crowded West Coast block party. But the funk-in-outer-space production that runs throughout the LP makes up for the extra unnecessary verse or two. The album also proved that Eminem was capable of delivering more than a nasal flow and initiated the mainstream validation of Xzibit. It's time-tested and sure-to-get-you-high classic material.
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Nas
Stillmatic (2001)
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Jay-Z
The Blueprint (2001)
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Scarface
The Fix (2002)
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Lil' Kim
The Naked Truth (2005)
Props for posting this. Very interesting. 8)
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Quik - Rhythm-al-ism
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha
Quik - Safe & Sound
Tha Eastsidaz - Tha Eastsidaz
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PPC; Paid The Cost review in The Source Magazine June 1992 #33
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3.5/5 :-X :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-\
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Something is wrong here :P :P :P
Niggaz4Life is the album of the year and not on their classic list?
Number
3 A Tribe Called Quest; The Low End Theory (1991)
5 De La Soul; De La Soul Is Dead (1991)
and
6 Main Source Breaking Atoms (1991)
is granted the classic status.... so :-[ :P
Albums of the year 1991 The Source Magazine January 1992 #28
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Niggaz4Life album of the year 1991 The Source Magazine January 1992 #28
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NWA in The Source Magazine September 91 #24 (billboard)
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Above The Law; Livin like Hustlers review in The Source Magazine May 1990
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DJ Quik; Way 2 Fonky review in The Source September 1992 #36
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F*ck the Source. Biased bs magazine!
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Kurupt; Streetz iz a mutha review in The Source Magazine #123 December 99
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I would've added:
Eminem "The Marshall Mathers LP"
NWA "Niggaz4life"
Reflection Eternal "Train of Thought"
Common "Like Water for Chocholate"
Gangstarr "Moment of Truth"
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Something is wrong here :P :P :P
Niggaz4Life is the album of the year and not on their classic list?
Number
3 A Tribe Called Quest; The Low End Theory (1991)
5 De La Soul; De La Soul Is Dead (1991)
and
6 Main Source Breaking Atoms (1991)
is granted the classic status.... so :-[ :P
Albums of the year 1991 The Source Magazine January 1992 #28
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Niggaz4Life album of the year 1991 The Source Magazine January 1992 #28
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NWA in The Source Magazine September 91 #24 (billboard)
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that's strange :P
if it was an error, you'd think they fixed it by now
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Great thread btw, a good bit of reading
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I would've added:
Eminem "The Marshall Mathers LP"
Reflection Eternal "Train of Thought"
Common "Like Water for Chocholate"
Gangstarr "Moment of Truth"
Exactly, since they are West Coast.
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I would've added:
Eminem "The Marshall Mathers LP"
Reflection Eternal "Train of Thought"
Common "Like Water for Chocholate"
Gangstarr "Moment of Truth"
Exactly, since they are West Coast.
:idea: :laugh:
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http://www.trade9shoes.com
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the source really were on dres dick... hatin on eazy e that bad.. what the fuck
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The Source March 1997
http://thimk.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/the-source-march-1997-issue-featuring-krs-one/
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Comptons Most Wanted - Its A Compton Thang
Comptons Most Wanted - Straight Checc'n Em
Comptons Most Wanted - Music To Drive By
MC Eiht - We Come Strapped
MC Eiht - Section 8
The Clicc - Game Related
Coolio - It Takes A Thief
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dem bitchasspunks know shit bout west coast , i can tell u dat
anymuufuckin way most of yall havnt had chance to listen to PERFECTION by foesum.... go listen dats wut u call a fuckin claasssssssssssic
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Altough I prefer and think that;
Comptons Most Wanted - Music To Drive By
is better than
MC Eiht - We Come Strapped
That's the album that made the world really take notice of Eith... so yeah We Come Strapped should be included.