West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Raine on November 03, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
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THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IN ANOTHER THREAD..... FELT LIKE IT NEEDED ITS OWN THREAD TO REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS.
we cant forget to BUY MUSIC. why you think niggaz been givin away so many mixtapes lately?? they dont wanna get clowned on they sales cuz NOBODY is BUYING.
can we at least make it a rule that you cant bootleg no WESTCOAST SHIT? do we have that much luv for the west at least or is all the talk on here just that empty and full of shit? cuz i'll just stop comin on here. this is the biggest place on the whole internet for westcoast fans and 90 percent of these niggaz will sit and argue for they're favorite rapper like they want to fight, and then go steal his shit. do yall not think that effects the game out here? what if we stopped bootleggin our own shit? we would instantly rise back up. niggaz would be breaded.
can we do that?
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I happen to post on a msg board that's dedicated to one region, but quality is quality. Where an artist is from doesn't matter to me. I've bought a ridiculous amount of cd's and I've spent a lot of money on it, so about two years ago I made rules for myself for when to buy cd's:
- To support an artist/group (i.e. Westurn Union's album didn't have much replay value, but I did want to support the group because of Soopafly and because of the bad ass mixtape they put out);
- To complete my collection (i.e. I collect R. Kelly retail albums, good or bad);
- If I feel like I can listen to the cd 5 years from now (i.e. Fort Minor - "The Rising Tied" & Rhymefest - "Blue Collar").
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I buy albums based on Quality and integrity. I've gone as far as emailing indi artists and having them mail me cd's directly. I also buy albums when I seem em like "LAX" or "Ego Trippin". It helps when albums are like 8 dollars, I usually won't hesitate in cases like that.
Also, if you're throwin money around in a video like it's nothin. You ain't gettin mine.
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I happen to post on a msg board that's dedicated to one region, but quality is quality. Where an artist is from doesn't matter to me. I've bought a ridiculous amount of cd's and I've spent a lot of money on it, so about two years ago I made rules for myself for when to buy cd's:
- To support an artist/group (i.e. Westurn Union's album didn't have much replay value, but I did want to support the group because of Soopafly and because of the bad ass mixtape they put out);
- To complete my collection (i.e. I collect R. Kelly retail albums, good or bad);
- If I feel like I can listen to the cd 5 years from now (i.e. Fort Minor - "The Rising Tied" & Rhymefest - "Blue Collar").
i feel ya. but theres a lot of talk on this message board that poses the same question:
WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO BRING THE WEST BACK TO THE TOP?
so this is one possible solution and if people understand it and follow suit it can work.
with more money in artists pockets we can get more radio and promotion and let that grow to something big.
most people say they will download something and if its good they will buy it, but how true is that??
i think most people download it, bump it, and if its good they just keep bumpin it and forget all about the artist.
how long would a liqour store last if 80 percent of the customers walked in and just took what they wanted?
you can say so what, fuck that liquor store. but when its gone, you gonna be real thirsty with nowhere to go.
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I buy albums based on Quality and integrity. I've gone as far as emailing indi artists and having them mail me cd's directly. I also buy albums when I seem em like "LAX" or "Ego Trippin". It helps when albums are like 8 dollars, I usually won't hesitate in cases like that.
Also, if you're throwin money around in a video like it's nothin. You ain't gettin mine.
thats real good support if youre goin that far as to email someone and ask for a copy. people have done that plenty of times for me and it feels good to see the support. in certain cases i will go the extra mile and send out copies of our previous releases as well.
as far as throwin the money... haha.. i feel you homie, but its usually not theirs. but thats why rappers like common get more support cuz they aint all in your face like "look how rich i am!"
and that nigga does movies so he's prolly way more breaded than your average artist.
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I happen to post on a msg board that's dedicated to one region, but quality is quality. Where an artist is from doesn't matter to me. I've bought a ridiculous amount of cd's and I've spent a lot of money on it, so about two years ago I made rules for myself for when to buy cd's:
- To support an artist/group (i.e. Westurn Union's album didn't have much replay value, but I did want to support the group because of Soopafly and because of the bad ass mixtape they put out);
- To complete my collection (i.e. I collect R. Kelly retail albums, good or bad);
- If I feel like I can listen to the cd 5 years from now (i.e. Fort Minor - "The Rising Tied" & Rhymefest - "Blue Collar").
You're on point penenstamp. I do the same damn thing -> Collection / Support / Occasion. I have a lot of cream in my collection, too.
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I bought errones CD this year.
Wayne
Nas
Game
T.I.
Cube
Dubb Union
Snoop
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fuck all that groupie bullshit this isnt a football team were talking about i dont care if youre from the westcoast im not buyin your shit except for a couple rare exceptions
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fuck all that groupie bullshit this isnt a football team were talking about i dont care if youre from the westcoast im not buyin your shit except for a couple rare exceptions
Man these artists been puttin out shit for years and know they wont sell as much as in the 90s. Support them. They be spending $$$ on the album and you just Limewire it.
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fuck all that groupie bullshit this isnt a football team were talking about i dont care if youre from the westcoast im not buyin your shit except for a couple rare exceptions
Man these artists been puttin out shit for years and know they wont sell as much as in the 90s. Support them. They be spending $$$ on the album and you just Limewire it.
yeah and i dont hear anything comin out nowadays that i would consider up to par so im not going to drop a fucking dime
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fuck all that groupie bullshit this isnt a football team were talking about i dont care if youre from the westcoast im not buyin your shit except for a couple rare exceptions
Man these artists been puttin out shit for years and know they wont sell as much as in the 90s. Support them. They be spending $$$ on the album and you just Limewire it.
yeah and i dont hear anything comin out nowadays that i would consider up to par so im not going to drop a fucking dime
Anyone that buys music that is not up to par (and doesn't buy it for collectors purposes), is IMO co-responsible for the fact that less quality music comes out. For example, I love the three records Kanye West put up and they were definitely worth my money, but his upcoming album gonna be all autotune... I will even refuse to pay for a ticket if he comes out here to perform. They're getting no money from me.
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I'm always gonna be bootlegging albums, but I also spend a lot of money to see artists live. When you buy an albums so much of the money goes to the label/store that you're putting much more money into the pockets of guys you like by going to they shows.
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I'm always gonna be bootlegging albums, but I also spend a lot of money to see artists live. When you buy an albums so much of the money goes to the label/store that you're putting much more money into the pockets of guys you like by going to they shows.
It ain't about that. First off, you buy it because of hard copy, too. Suppport artists is obviosity.
And the performances? What about the companies that bring the rappers? You paid money to their pockets, not in the rappers' pockets.
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I'm always gonna be bootlegging albums, but I also spend a lot of money to see artists live. When you buy an albums so much of the money goes to the label/store that you're putting much more money into the pockets of guys you like by going to they shows.
no album sales = no show bookings retard
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Man you guys got it twisted. Most artists make way more money off touring and merch than they do albums. Album sales do factor into booking shows, but it's not the only statistic (let's face it, dudes are getting booked off hype these days way more than actual quality of product) and if a booker likes an artist/album he'll book them regardless of how the album's doing. Grandmasters was a great album yet its sales were absolutely terrible and it had no promotion. Muggs and GZA still got booked across the country and made some nice money off of it.
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bootleggin aint gon stop..dats why the format is leaving from cds..they bout to be phased out.. trust me.. thats why all the cd stores are closing.. swapmeets are all complaining right now..gonzalez went out of biz down south..dat tells you somethin...
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Raine i swear i always find myself posting in your threads cuz u speak real shit homie!!! LOL...man its fucked up because so many artists are coming out with subpar material (and i'm not just speaking on the west i'm speaking on hip hop in general) that ppl have gotten cynical about this shit, like they just expect to be disappointed nowadays. i said it in another thread, we are grading hip hop on a curve now and it ain't really a good thing in terms of record sales. but i agree homie if ppl just went out and bought music that would be a big step towards the goal, plain & simple....
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Raine i swear i always find myself posting in your threads cuz u speak real shit homie!!! LOL...man its fucked up because so many artists are coming out with subpar material (and i'm not just speaking on the west i'm speaking on hip hop in general) that ppl have gotten cynical about this shit, like they just expect to be disappointed nowadays. i said it in another thread, we are grading hip hop on a curve now and it ain't really a good thing in terms of record sales. but i agree homie if ppl just went out and bought music that would be a big step towards the goal, plain & simple....
true enough.. but check this.. the average person is poor now a days.. a gang of kids , bills , groceries and other money taking things.. why would they pay 18.00 for a cd when they can get it for 5 or even 3 for 5 bucks..its all about maxamizing your dollars wit cheap product thats the same as the real.. from cd's to airforce 1's....the econmy got it like that.. and the way of technology.. jus gotta be advance in new shit..stay a step ahead.. its all about the digital in THEY eyes...from anntenna tv to hd.....from dvd to blu ray....
so said all that to say this.. ITS ALL ABOUT BEING INDIE AND BEING ABLE TO GET DISTRIBUTION AND GETTIN THE INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET IT..BEING INDIE YOUR ALBUM WONT BE 18.99 (sorry bout da caps to lazy to retype)
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Could it be possible to start a movement of Loyalty by posting up a picture of the cd, and or the person that bought it...
and show off to the otheer regions that we buy our coasts music??
I mean there would have to be some thought into into...but maybe thats a possibilty? Some friendly rivalry with other regions fans..
and get some exposure about it from sites likes this...??\
I like what you throwinh down Raine
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Yo triplea that's a dope idea. Let's post flicks of the cd's we buy, and us in tha pic not just a cd on tha table lol.
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Could it be possible to start a movement of Loyalty by posting up a picture of the cd, and or the person that bought it...
and show off to the otheer regions that we buy our coasts music??
are you fucking kidding? lets go on the internet and post photos of the cd's we bought! seriously most people should just give up trying to make money rapping you were stupid thinking people ould buy your shit from the gate
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Could it be possible to start a movement of Loyalty by posting up a picture of the cd, and or the person that bought it...
and show off to the otheer regions that we buy our coasts music??
I mean there would have to be some thought into into...but maybe thats a possibilty? Some friendly rivalry with other regions fans..
and get some exposure about it from sites likes this...??\
I like what you throwinh down Raine
see... you ACTUALLY GET where im going with this. if we can make fans PROUD to support the artists that they enjoy, and basically embarrassed to have stolen from them, we can revive the industry. its so easy to steal music these days, the only way people will buy again is from the heart. there aint no other solution. you aint gonna make no cd that cant be bootlegged. and youre not gonna get a worldwide ban on illegal downloading.
i would love to see the day that someone is embarassed for being caught with a bootlegg in their car. its gone too far to the point that downloaders are almost proud of it. they're not thinking about the effects or the end result.
check this out...
ive seen, with my own eyes, local artists not even eat or drive for a while just to save the $1000 to get their first 1000 cds printed up. Now when he/she puts it out, if its wack, it probably wont go anywhere. But if its good? I'm tellin you, niggaz was already bootleggin the RLK album online before we even got thru our first 1000 copies! And fuck what anybody think, I ain't no baller like that. So don't act like it doesn't effect people.
Now if you got a family and you spent money that yall dont have to spare because you believe that much in your shit... and if it doesn't work out financially, you may not be able to ever put anything out again! Most artists starting off are in this position. So what's gonna happen is a lot of new artists that could have been great will never come out or never get a fair chance.
anybody sayin that shit aint real is just makin an excuse so they don't feel bad about downloading. artists sometimes put it all on the line to get that music to you. not to mention the countless hours/money spent recording, mixing, working on graphics, acquiring beats. its not easy to put a decent project together. its discouraging to go thru all that with high expectations and then see people just click a button and take it from you.
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Yo triplea that's a dope idea. Let's post flicks of the cd's we buy, and us in tha pic not just a cd on tha table lol.
fa sho dat homie.
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THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IN ANOTHER THREAD..... FELT LIKE IT NEEDED ITS OWN THREAD TO REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS.
we cant forget to BUY MUSIC. why you think niggaz been givin away so many mixtapes lately?? they dont wanna get clowned on they sales cuz NOBODY is BUYING.
can we at least make it a rule that you cant bootleg no WESTCOAST SHIT? do we have that much luv for the west at least or is all the talk on here just that empty and full of shit? cuz i'll just stop comin on here. this is the biggest place on the whole internet for westcoast fans and 90 percent of these niggaz will sit and argue for they're favorite rapper like they want to fight, and then go steal his shit. do yall not think that effects the game out here? what if we stopped bootleggin our own shit? we would instantly rise back up. niggaz would be breaded.
can we do that?
Id have to agree with you on this one. Some of the biggest album sales happens out here, West!