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Title: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: es-jay on December 27, 2008, 03:27:06 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7801012.stm


Palestinians say Israeli F-16 bombers have launched a series of air strikes against key targets in the Gaza Strip, killing and injuring dozens of people.

Missiles destroyed security compounds run by the militant group Hamas in the centre of Gaza City, killing at least 120 people, Hamas officials said.

The strikes, the most intense Israeli attacks on Gaza in recent times, come after the expiry of a truce with Hamas.

Israel has threatened an offensive to stop the firing of rockets from Gaza.

Israel confirmed the strikes, saying they were launched in response to continued rocket fire by Palestinian militants against Israeli towns.

They targeted "Hamas terror operatives" as well as training camps and weaponry storage warehouses, the country's military said in a statement.

Hamas quickly vowed to carry out revenge attacks on Israel in response to the air strikes.

Offensive planned?

Reports of the casualties in Gaza mounted swiftly after news broke of the Israeli operation.

Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, initially said at least 40 people had been killed when a missile hit security headquarters in and around Gaza City.

That figure quickly rose, Hamas saying 120 were killed and some 400 people injured, the BBC Katya Adler reports from Jerusalem.

Medics in Gaza also reported high casualties, saying 120 people died in Gaza City and 23 in the southern city of Khan Younis, Reuters news agency said.

"Most security headquarters in Gaza were completely destroyed in the Zionist shelling," the Hamas-run al-Aqsa TV station said.

The air strikes are the most intense Israel has launched against Gaza for some time, and come amid rumours that that a ground operation is imminent.

Israeli security officials have been briefing about the possibility of a new offensive into Gaza for some days now, says the BBC's Paul Wood, in Jerusalem.

But most reports centred on the possibility of a ground offensive, and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was not expected to authorise any operation until Sunday at the earliest.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7800985.stm



i wonder where this is going to go...
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 27, 2008, 05:01:47 AM
nothing new....
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: virtuoso on December 27, 2008, 05:43:31 AM

Very true, but the scale of this attack was big, the media wires are reporting over 155 dead from the bombings. As if this world is not crazy enough with impending economic collapse, this just adds to the insanity.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 27, 2008, 06:09:13 AM
The world is already fucked up since so many years and this shit will never stop,its too fuckin deep
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: eS El Duque on December 27, 2008, 02:58:10 PM
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At 11.30am Israeli time, the first wave of 60 F-16s screamed over Gaza, launching missiles at more than 50 targets. Israeli military sources said a total of 100 missiles were fired at Hamas police stations, command centres, training bases and illicit manufacturing warehouses.

In the second wave, 20 Israeli jets returned, following up intelligence received from drones in the skies over the Strip. They launched 50 missiles aimed almost entirely at militants who had come out with makeshift rockets to hit back.


It's sad what happen....

but..the strike was bad ass. Thats an asswhooping
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: hellrazor86 on December 28, 2008, 01:05:41 AM
fucked up shit.. saw that shit on the news.. it looked like a massacre in one place where over 40 people we're on the ground.. dead and half dead.. looked insane..

The conflict will never end :-\
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 28, 2008, 03:45:10 AM
Actually the situation in CONGO is worse,but nobody cares  ::)
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: CantCme213 on December 28, 2008, 09:35:21 AM
I just read a statement by PLO president Abbas. And he said that hamas
was responsible for the escalation of the situation.

And hes right. Fucking Hamas shots these little toy rockets, they always give israel a reason for war.

FUCK HAMAS !!!!!!!

Oh yea: Also fuck grey britain. They are the reason for all of this.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Matty on December 28, 2008, 11:29:35 AM
well those in the know know the score with israel and zionism. america is saying the attacks are cool israel gotta protect itself etc. obama's down with it too. if you want to see double standards watch as you get more reactions to this from israel's sleazy allies like the US and UK. civilian casualties are 'acceptable'...
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: virtuoso on December 28, 2008, 12:31:26 PM
You do realise that Hamas was promoted by israel as a means of destabilising the PLO? they needed an opposition group to weaken the PLO and then sure enough when Hamas get into power, they can then villify them, even though they helped to build them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16447
http://www.reuters.com/article/email/idUSL03139119

I am so tired of this fake murderous bullshit and you are right of course, the IDF is not the worst offender, iraq, afghanistan, all across africa.

War is a racket as smedley butler said
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 28, 2008, 08:57:58 PM
Muslims dying always represents progress.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 29, 2008, 05:03:40 AM
Israel's air force obliterated symbols of Hamas power on the third day of its overwhelming assault on Gaza on Monday, striking a house next to the Hamas premier's home, devastating a security compound and flattening a five-story building at a university closely linked to the Islamic group.
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
FUCK HAMAS

The three-day death toll rose to 315, including seven children under the age of 15 who were killed in two separate strikes late Sunday and Monday, medics said. Israel launched the deadliest attack against Palestinians in decades on Saturday in retaliation for rocket fire aimed at civilians in southern Israeli towns.

Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak told Israel's parliament in a special session that Israel was not fighting the residents of Gaza "but we have a war to the bitter end against Hamas and its branches."

The strikes appear to have gravely damaged Hamas' ability to launch rockets but a medium-range rocket fired at the Israeli city of Ashkelon killed a man there Monday and wounded several others. It was the second fatality in Israel since the beginning of the offensive and the first person ever to be killed by a rocket in Ashkelon, a city of 120,000.

Six people have been killed in Israel in rocket attacks from Gaza since the beginning of the year, according to Israel's Foreign Ministry. On Sunday, Hamas missiles struck for the first time near the city of Ashdod, twice as far from Gaza as Ashkelon and only 25 miles from Israel's heart in Tel Aviv.

At first light Monday, strong winds blew black smoke from the bombed sites in Gaza City over deserted streets. The air hummed with the buzz of pilotless drones and the roar of jets, punctuated by the explosions of new airstrikes.

A Hamas police spokesman, Ehab Ghussein, said 180 members of the Hamas security forces were among the dead. The United Nations agency in charge of Palestinian refugees said at least 51 of the dead were civilians. A rise in civilian casualties could intensify international pressure on Israel to abort the offensive.

Israel's intense bombings — more than 300 airstrikes since midday Saturday — wreaked unprecedented destruction in Gaza, reducing buildings to rubble. The military said naval vessels also bombarded targets from the sea.

Shlomo Brom, a former senior Israeli military official, said it was the deadliest force ever used in decades of Israeli-Palestinian fighting.

Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, who heads a moderate government in the West Bank and is holding peace talks with Israel, issued his strongest condemnation yet of the operation, calling it a "sweeping Israeli aggression against Gaza" and saying he would consult with his bitter rivals in Hamas in an effort to end it.

One strike destroyed a five-story building in the women's wing at Islamic University, one of the most prominent Hamas symbols. Another attack ravaged a compound controlled by Preventive Security, one of the group's chief security arms, and a third destroyed a house next to the residence of Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas prime minister.

Like other Hamas leaders, Haniyeh is in hiding.

Late on Sunday, Israeli aircraft attacked a building in the Jebaliya refugee camp next to Gaza City, killing a woman, a toddler and three young teenage girls, Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said.

In the southern town of Rafah, a toddler and his two teenage brothers were killed in an airstrike aimed at a Hamas commander, Hassanain said. In Gaza City, another attack killed a man and his wife.

In the most dramatic attacks Sunday, warplanes struck dozens of smuggling tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border, cutting off a lifeline that had supplied Hamas with weapons and Gaza with commercial goods. The influx of goods helped Hamas defy an 18-month blockade of Gaza by Israel and Egypt and was key to propping up its rule.

Gaza's nine hospitals were overwhelmed. Hassanain, who keeps a record for the Gaza Health Ministry, said more than 1,400 were wounded over two days of fighting and casualties were now being taken to private clinics and even homes.

Abdel Hafez, a 55-year-old history teacher, waited outside a Gaza City bakery to buy bread, one of the few people visible outdoors. He said he was not a Hamas supporter but believed the strikes would only increase support for the group.

"Each strike, each drop of blood are giving Hamas more fuel to continue," he said.

In Jerusalem, Israel's Cabinet approved a call-up of 6,500 reserve soldiers Sunday in apparent preparation for a ground offensive. The final decision to call up more reserves has yet to be made by the defense minister, Ehud Barak, and the Cabinet decision could be a pressure tactic.

Israel has doubled the number of troops on the Gaza border since Saturday and deployed an artillery battery. Several hundred reservists have already been summoned to join their units but no full combat formations have been mobilized so far.

Military experts said Israel would need at least 10,000 soldiers for a full-scale invasion.

Since Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 after a 38-year military occupation, Israeli forces have repeatedly returned to the territory to hunt militants firing rockets at Israeli towns. But it has shied away from retaking the entire strip for fear of getting bogged down in urban warfare.

The assault has sparked diplomatic fallout.

Syria decided to suspend indirect peace talks with Israel, begun earlier this year. The United Nations Security Council called on both sides to halt the fighting and asked Israel to allow humanitarian supplies into Gaza. Israel opened one of Gaza's border crossings Monday and about 40 trucks had entered with food and medical supplies by mid-day, military spokesman Peter Lerner said.

The prime minister of Turkey, one of the few Muslim countries to have relations with Israel, called the air assault a "crime against humanity" and French President Nicolas Sarkozy condemned "the provocations that led to this situation as well as the disproportionate use of force."

The carnage has inflamed Arab and Muslim public opinion, setting off street protests in Arab communities in Israel and the West Bank, across the Arab world and in some European cities. On Monday, a Palestinian stabbed and wounded four Israelis in a West Bank settlement before he was shot and wounded. It was not immediately clear if the attack was directly connected to the events in Gaza.

Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 29, 2008, 07:24:38 AM
Syria decided to suspend indirect peace talks with Israel, begun earlier this year.

Syria? The country that bombed Hama back in 1982 and killed 10,000?

The hypocrisy of the Arabs is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: CantCme213 on December 29, 2008, 09:37:12 AM
Muslims dying always represents progress.

How many stinky niggers die every year in Africa ?
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 29, 2008, 09:51:34 AM
How many stinky niggers die every year in Africa ?

Not enough, that's for sure. I like when Negroes die, too.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 29, 2008, 09:52:17 AM
As they prepared for lightning airstrikes on the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, Israel's leaders drew sobering lessons from their stalemate against another Islamic paramilitary force, Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas.

In that setback in the summer of 2006, Israel rushed to battle without a detailed plan or realistic goals, and was handed its first failure to vanquish an Arab foe in war. Hezbollah not only withstood the 34-day offensive, but it also emerged stronger politically.

Faced with frequent Hamas rocket fire across its southern border, Israel planned its Gaza operation more meticulously, over nearly two years. As a result, Israeli officials said Sunday, their intelligence services developed a longer list of targets to bomb, enabling the air force to inflict more damage on the militant Palestinian group before Israel contemplates a risky ground assault.

And instead of boasting that they would "destroy" the enemy, as they did in the case of Lebanon, Israeli leaders set the more modest aim of "improving the security" of terrorized Israeli communities.

That less ambitious approach could make it easier for Israel to withdraw from the conflict on its terms, avoiding the kind of demoralizing stalemate that developed in Lebanon.


So far, Israel considers its Gaza offensive a success. Since it began Saturday, waves of airstrikes have destroyed dozens of Hamas paramilitary facilities, weapons-smuggling tunnels from Egypt and underground rocket-launching sites. Rocket fire from Gaza has diminished well below what was once considered Hamas' capacity.

Although many risks and uncertainties lie ahead, in particular the specter of getting bogged down in a ground war, the offensive has brought Israel to a psychological turning point, restoring a measure of the country's confidence in its capacity to confront armed adversaries.

"Hamas is dazed and confused and has no explanation to offer its people," Amos Gilad, a senior Israeli Defense Ministry official, told Israel Radio on Sunday. "But we must refrain from bragging and marking dramatic objectives."

Rather than remove Hamas from power, he and other Israeli officials say, the goal is to weaken the movement and demonstrate the price it would pay for continuing to launch rockets. Sooner or later, Israel hopes to restore and strengthen an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire that worked for nearly five months before it started to break down in November.

"The army doesn't even have the pretense of neutralizing Hamas' ability to launch rockets. We have tried that before and failed," said Alon Ben-David, military correspondent for Israel's Channel 10 television.

"This operation," he explained, "is directed at Hamas' motivation to fire rockets at Israel rather than its actual ability to do so."

For reasons that became evident during the Lebanon conflict, it is far from certain whether even that limited goal can be achieved.

Hamas leaders have gone into hiding but given no hint of backing down. On the contrary, they have threatened to wage suicide attacks in Israel for the first time since 2005, apparently by infiltrating from the West Bank or from Gaza by way of Egypt.

"The ostensible aims of the operation amount to requiring Hamas not to behave like Hamas: not to fire into Israel or target Israeli civilians or soldiers, not to prepare for such attacks, not to store or smuggle in the material for such attacks," David Horovitz, editor of the Jerusalem Post, wrote in a Sunday editorial. "And that is not going to be achieved quickly."

Israeli officials have indicated that the offensive could last weeks or months. But as details of civilian casualties emerge from Gaza, Israel is coming under international pressure to halt the operation, just as it did in Lebanon. Health Ministry officials in Gaza estimate that as many as a third of the dead are noncombatants.

And it remains to be seen whether Israeli leaders have prepared adequately for the complications that may lie ahead if their army launches a ground campaign against Hamas' 15,000-man paramilitary force, which has drawn its own lessons from Hezbollah's success in the Lebanon war.

Anticipating a Lebanon-style ground war, Hamas used the recent cease-fire to fortify its military posts in Gaza, dig underground bunkers, acquire a large number of antitank missiles and install them in foxholes. How much of that defensive weaponry remains intact is unclear.

Israeli analysts believe an Israeli ground offensive is only a matter of time. The Lebanon war demonstrated that Israel's air force alone could not stop Hezbollah from lobbing rockets across the border.

But analysts also agree that a ground operation in the densely populated enclave would be messy, carrying the risk of an even higher civilian death toll and heavy casualties to Israeli soldiers. Hamas, which is still holding an Israeli soldier it captured in June 2006, is believed to have plans to try seizing others entering Gaza.

Despite support across Israel's political spectrum for a strong response to Hamas, many Israelis are wary of a prolonged offensive.

"How many soldiers are expected to be killed in the first wave?" columnist Zvi Barel asked in Sunday's Haaretz newspaper. "How many months is the [army] expected to spend in Gaza, sweeping its houses and tunnels? How many Palestinian civilians will be killed?"

Reuven Pedatzur, head of the security studies program at Israel's Netanya College, said the longer Israel fights in Gaza, the more difficult it will become to justify withdrawing.

"Yes, the operation started successfully, but we need to ask ourselves how we get out and arrive at negotiations," he said.

Such decisions now rest in the hands of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Olmert had been elected just four months before the Lebanon war and later endured censure by a government-appointed panel for the way he and his top aides had conducted it. Amir Peretz, the wartime defense minister, later stepped down.

Disgraced by corruption charges and forced in September to resign, Olmert remains a caretaker leader with a major military conflict on his agenda before elections in February to choose his successor.

Israeli commentators who watched him announce the offensive Saturday said he looked more subdued than the overconfident leader who addressed the nation at the start of the Lebanon war.

"Olmert was a serious, reserved man, who has learned that some situations call for modesty," columnist Sima Kadmon wrote on Ynet, a news website. "His words lacked the grandiose promises made on the eve of the Lebanon war."
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: CantCme213 on December 29, 2008, 04:59:39 PM
How many stinky niggers die every year in Africa ?

Not enough, that's for sure. I like when Negroes die, too.

News Flash Michael jackson. Your still black !
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Crooked I on December 29, 2008, 08:48:17 PM
How many stinky niggers die every year in Africa ?

Not enough, that's for sure. I like when Negroes die, too.

09/11/2001
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 29, 2008, 08:57:01 PM
News Flash Michael jackson. Your still black !

Newsflash Muhammad: I am not and never was black.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: da_notorious_mack on December 30, 2008, 01:24:09 AM
Syria decided to suspend indirect peace talks with Israel, begun earlier this year.

Syria? The country that bombed Hama back in 1982 and killed 10,000?

The hypocrisy of the Arabs is just ridiculous.


LMAO...says the nation that commited hiroshima ::)
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 30, 2008, 05:38:33 AM
LMAO...says the nation that commited hiroshima ::)

Right, but we're not the ones criticizing the Israelis for bombing Pals.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: da_notorious_mack on December 30, 2008, 06:29:56 AM
LMAO...says the nation that commited hiroshima ::)

Right, but we're not the ones criticizing the Israelis for bombing Pals.

why would you??...there not "terrorists" so they can legitimately murder civilians ::)
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Matty on December 30, 2008, 06:38:32 AM
when israel disproportionally bombs their neighbours its fine because they are protecting themselves but when russia do it it is an act of agression. is just me or america the biggest joke of 2008?

it's ok because obama is gonna fix it all! yeah right...i hope all the celebrities and rappers and idiots that voted and pushed for obama are exposed for the phonies and naive idiots that they are when obama does nothing to restore traditional american values or bring troop homes (not just move them around)...:pirate:
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 30, 2008, 06:47:39 AM

why would you??...there not "terrorists" so they can legitimately murder civilians ::)

They aren't "murdering" civilians. That's what the Palestinians do.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: da_notorious_mack on December 30, 2008, 06:52:25 AM

why would you??...there not "terrorists" so they can legitimately murder civilians ::)

They aren't "murdering" civilians. That's what the Palestinians do.


what are they doing then??...sending them to god??...exterminating them??
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 30, 2008, 07:33:24 AM

what are they doing then??...sending them to god??...exterminating them??

It's called collateral damage. And I don't see why anyone should care. It's not like the Palestinians (or Arabs in general) contribute anything to human progress.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 30, 2008, 07:37:58 AM
Hezbollah watches for now as Israel hits Hamas

BEIRUT, Lebanon – Lebanon's powerful Hezbollah guerrilla movement — widely seen as the Arab world's most effective force against Israel — is a staunch Hamas supporter but has so far held its fire as its Palestinian ally faces down Israel's assault in Gaza.

Hezbollah possesses a formidable arsenal of rockets and missiles that bloodied Israel during a monthlong war between them in 2006, but is constrained by its own domestic political goals and fears of Israeli retaliation.

Once considered as just a fighting force backed by Iran and Syria, Hezbollah has seen its political power in Lebanon grow since 2006. With Israel threatening massive retaliation if Hezbollah renews its rocket bombardments, that influence could come into doubt by Lebanese reluctant to be drawn into another war.

So Hezbollah is instead calling for protests in Lebanon and across the Middle East to pressure Arab governments to act against Israel.

That call hasn't drawn any action for now — Egypt on Tuesday said it would not end its blockade of Gaza as long as Hamas remains in power there, and no Arab government has offered anything stronger than words and humanitarian assistance in response to Israel's assault.

Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrallah drew tens of thousands, waving Palestinian, Hezbollah and Lebanese flags, for a rally Monday in his south Beirut stronghold. He professed that Israel's Gaza offensive will ultimately fail.

Nasrallah put his men on alert in southern Lebanon in case Israel attacks and claimed he was ready to fight back if provoked. He promised not to abandon Hamas. The Islamic Sunni group is also backed by Hezbollah allies Iran and Syria.

But he made no threat to open fire on northern Israel to relieve Gaza — an act that would certainly provoke another war with Israel.

Hezbollah "cannot afford to enter a full-scale war with Israel, which would be devastating for Lebanon," said Paul Salem, Beirut-based director of the Carnegie Middle East Center, an arm of the Washington-based Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The 2006 war was sparked when Hezbollah guerrillas snatched two Israel soldiers from northern Israel. Israel unleashed a massive bombardment of southern Lebanon and other parts of the country and Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets into Israel. The violence devastated much of southern Lebanon, and more than 1,000 Lebanese and about 160 Israelis were killed.

In May, Hezbollah gained significant clout by joining a national unity government with pro-U.S. rivals in Lebanon. The country is now enjoying an unusually long stretch of relative calm and prosperity — and many Lebanese fear anything that could disturb the stability.

But Hezbollah has also rebuilt its arsenal and claims to possess more than 30,000 rockets, with far greater range, sophistication and firepower than Hamas' mostly primitive rockets.

For its part, Israel has also been enhancing its army's capabilities. Israel's top commander on the border with Lebanon, Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot, warned in October that Israel would reply with "disproportionate force" if Hezbollah attacks again, adding that any village used to fire missiles against the Jewish state will be destroyed.

Hezbollah also has to reckon with Lebanese army and a more robust U.N. peacekeeping force in the south near the border with Israel. Since 2006, thousands of Lebanese troops have deployed along with 13,000 U.N. peacekeepers in a border zone.

For now, Hezbollah's strategy seems to be to mobilize the Arab masses, particularly in Egypt, while counting on Hamas holding out until Israel backs down under outside pressure to end the Gaza offensive.

Hezbollah expert Amal Saad-Ghorayeb describes the conflict as an "existential" one between those opposed to U.S. and Israeli policy — namely, Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran — and the so-called pro-U.S. Arab states.

A Hamas defeat will weaken its backers and "the moderate axis will reign supreme." But if Hamas survives, it would be a major victory for them, said Saad-Ghorayeb, author of the book "Hezbollah: Politics and Religion."

Salem says the Gaza fighting will do little to resolve contentious issues such as West Bank settlements, the fate of Arab east Jerusalem and the Syrian-Israeli conflict.

"In a way this is a war that is not going to solve anything. It will kill hundreds and thousands of people and we still remain where we are," he said.

Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: da_notorious_mack on December 30, 2008, 09:01:16 AM

what are they doing then??...sending them to god??...exterminating them??

It's called collateral damage. And I don't see why anyone should care. It's not like the Palestinians (or Arabs in general) contribute anything to human progress.

same thing "collateral damage"is an american concept..or should i say political spin...and you say they contribute nothing to human progress...what have you achieved to be in a position to judge??
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 30, 2008, 09:33:10 AM
same thing "collateral damage"is an american concept..or should i say political spin...

It's not the same thing. Civilians aren't killed intentionally. And usually, they die because the guerrillas that are supposedly fighting for their "freedom" position themselves in a way that it's impossible to hit them and NOT hit civilians at the same time. The insurgents LIKE it when their own people are killed by us because it gets dumb leftist morons like you to express sympathy for them, without considering that they share just as much (if not more) blame as the Americans.

and you say they contribute nothing to human progress...what have you achieved to be in a position to judge??

My race is responsible for the development of modern civilization as you know it. As for me, I am a key racial-realist thinker in America. Someday, you might see me (or someone influenced by my readings) become President. In fact, I expect Obama's victory to help my cause.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on December 30, 2008, 09:42:41 AM
Someday, you might see me (or someone influenced by my readings) become President.

lmao
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: da_notorious_mack on December 31, 2008, 12:45:37 AM


My race is responsible for the development of modern civilization as you know it. As for me, I am a key racial-realist thinker in America. Someday, you might see me (or someone influenced by my readings) become President. In fact, I expect Obama's victory to help my cause.

its not your race its mine...im white PLUS im blond so by your way of thinking you are inferior...kiss my feet
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: ThaPrince on December 31, 2008, 05:04:18 AM


My race is responsible for the development of modern civilization as you know it. As for me, I am a key racial-realist thinker in America. Someday, you might see me (or someone influenced by my readings) become President. In fact, I expect Obama's victory to help my cause.

its not your race its mine...im white PLUS im blond so by your way of thinking you are inferior...kiss my feet

The fake Jared has been murdered on this one, props boy.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on December 31, 2008, 08:50:42 AM

its not your race its mine...im white PLUS im blond so by your way of thinking you are inferior...kiss my feet

Uh, I never said being blond had anything to do with being white. I judge people and races by what they produce, not what they look like. And the fact is, blacks as a race basically have produced jack shit.

The fake Jared has been murdered on this one, props boy.

What are you, his groupie or something? Can't come up with arguments yourself, so you just act as cheerleader for other posters? You fucking loser.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: virtuoso on January 01, 2009, 09:02:57 AM

what are they doing then??...sending them to god??...exterminating them??

It's called collateral damage. And I don't see why anyone should care. It's not like the Palestinians (or Arabs in general) contribute anything to human progress.

The Lancet have estimated that 500,000 iraqis have died since the begining of the attack on their country and that investigation was conducted several months ago, I shudder to think at the numbers killed since then. Oh I get it, they are conspiracy theorists to are they, you fucking loser.
Collateral damage? the deliberate targeting of water and electricity supplies is done to weaken the enemy's defences but also leads to famine and disease spreading like wildfire.
Collateral damage? The establishment of death squads in America.
Collateral damage? the extermination of everyone in a given village if enemy hostiles are confirmed to be within that viscinity.
Collateral damage? NATO deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure in Belgrade as a means of turning the serbian people against the government, that is TERRORISM.

War is not glorious, it's not being fought for the "greater good" it's being fought for geopolitical purposes, the poor don't get a fucking thing from it and neither do the middle class. I take comfort though, at least while this raping of the wealth continues, it ultimately hurts people like you to.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on January 01, 2009, 12:56:36 PM
The Lancet have estimated that 500,000 iraqis have died since the begining of the attack on their country and that investigation was conducted several months ago, I shudder to think at the numbers killed since then. Oh I get it, they are conspiracy theorists to are they, you fucking loser.
Collateral damage? the deliberate targeting of water and electricity supplies is done to weaken the enemy's defences but also leads to famine and disease spreading like wildfire.
Collateral damage? The establishment of death squads in America.
Collateral damage? the extermination of everyone in a given village if enemy hostiles are confirmed to be within that viscinity.
Collateral damage? NATO deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure in Belgrade as a means of turning the serbian people against the government, that is TERRORISM.

War is not glorious, it's not being fought for the "greater good" it's being fought for geopolitical purposes, the poor don't get a fucking thing from it and neither do the middle class. I take comfort though, at least while this raping of the wealth continues, it ultimately hurts people like you to.

Most of the Iraqis who have died were killed by other Iraqis who want to impose an Islamic fascist state upon people. Who gives a shit? Besides, they're Arabs. Arabs are useless people.

I know war isn't glorious, but I'm not pro-war. I'm pro-White.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on January 04, 2009, 12:17:56 PM
2000 rockets launched in israel only last year and now they blame israel for this war,how can they (and all the anti-israelis ) not expect a reaction ?  ::)
I'm 250% down with Israel  8)
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: The King on January 04, 2009, 05:16:12 PM
2000 rockets launched in israel only last year and now they blame israel for this war,how can they (and all the anti-israelis ) not expect a reaction ?  ::)
I'm 250% down with Israel  8)

Fuck Israel. A few rockets by a bunch of individuals and Israel invades Gaza? It's bullshit. The Israel government are cowards. America and Israel are both so fucked as countries. Killing thousands just because a few of their citizens die. America and Israel are the real terrorists states. I wonder who's killed more civilians in the last 5 years, the US, or Iran. And everyone acts like Iran are the bad guys.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on January 04, 2009, 06:19:43 PM
Fuck Israel. A few rockets by a bunch of individuals and Israel invades Gaza? It's bullshit. The Israel government are cowards. America and Israel are both so fucked as countries. Killing thousands just because a few of their citizens die. America and Israel are the real terrorists states. I wonder who's killed more civilians in the last 5 years, the US, or Iran. And everyone acts like Iran are the bad guys.

A "few"? They've been launching thousands. And again, it's Hamas' fault that civilians die because they hide their weapons in civilian areas. Israel goes out of its way to avoid casualties. But of course, being a retarded leftist anti-American moron, it's always our fault.

Fucking loser.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: The King on January 04, 2009, 08:14:23 PM
Fuck Israel. A few rockets by a bunch of individuals and Israel invades Gaza? It's bullshit. The Israel government are cowards. America and Israel are both so fucked as countries. Killing thousands just because a few of their citizens die. America and Israel are the real terrorists states. I wonder who's killed more civilians in the last 5 years, the US, or Iran. And everyone acts like Iran are the bad guys.

A "few"? They've been launching thousands. And again, it's Hamas' fault that civilians die because they hide their weapons in civilian areas. Israel goes out of its way to avoid casualties. But of course, being a retarded leftist anti-American moron, it's always our fault.

Fucking loser.

I suppose the Iraq war was justified too? What a great idea that was. And what a great idea this is. Getting 1 billion muslims pissed off. Don't you have a brain kid? You can't stop terrorism by invading countries. What does Israel hope to achieve? Kill all the Hamas terrorists? Yeah right. What America and Israel are doing is simply inspiring more terrorism. How could anyone see the US as the victims of terrorism after they killed a few hundred thousand Muslim civilians? America and Israel are the aggressors in all this, they deserve it, they brought this upon themselves. Poor America, the poor good guys who didn't deserve 9/11 at all? America never bothered anyone, their on God's side right?  Fucking moron. And what's the best comeback you have? Muslims aren't worthy of living, they don't contribute to our selfish stupid materialistic society.

Ask yourself, what's more evil? 9/11, or the Iraq war? Their's a reason people are anti-American. Because America is fucking evil and act innocent.

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It's called collateral damage. And I don't see why anyone should care. It's not like the Palestinians (or Arabs in general) contribute anything to human progress.

Yeah sure kid, you're an intellectual. :P  If you weren't some ignorant uneducated teenager, pretending to be a white supremacist you might actually use some common sense. Leave the US, go to college, and enter the real world. That might not help you, some people are just stupid. Like you junior.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on January 04, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
a few rockets  ::)
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on January 05, 2009, 04:20:33 AM
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-01/44345085.jpg)

 ::)
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: CantCme213 on January 05, 2009, 04:57:10 PM

I'm 250% down with Israel  8)

Of course you are,  italo-georgian. Israel supplied Georgia with weapons in the Ausgust war last year.


P.S:      FUCK ISRAEL AND EVERY FAGGOT DOWN WITH THEM   
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on January 05, 2009, 07:38:14 PM
I suppose the Iraq war was justified too? What a great idea that was.

No, it wasn't. It cost too much money. But it was still done with good intentions...by neocons who made the mistake of believing that Arabs are capable of living in a civilized, Western-type society.

Where have I ever justified the Iraq War anyway?

And what a great idea this is. Getting 1 billion muslims pissed off.

What, they won't be pissed off anyway? We're the ones who forced Israel to back down in '56, but the Arabs still decided to join the Commies. Muslims have a persecution complex far greater than that of Jews. And ultimately, they're the bigger hypocrites.

You can't stop terrorism by invading countries. What does Israel hope to achieve? Kill all the Hamas terrorists?

Right now, Kadima is showing that it can be tough on Hamas for ceasefire violations. That's the way the game works. Both sides attack each other not so much because they believe they can destroy each other, but for political gain. Hamas could care less if 500,000 Palestinians died as long as they remain in power.

But at least Israel is a democracy.

Ask yourself, what's more evil? 9/11, or the Iraq war? Their's a reason people are anti-American. Because America is fucking evil and act innocent.

9/11, which was intentional. Again, hundreds of thousands die because the insurgents hide among civilian populations knowing they'll get killed.

Yeah sure kid, you're an intellectual. :P  If you weren't some ignorant uneducated teenager, pretending to be a white supremacist you might actually use some common sense. Leave the US, go to college, and enter the real world. That might not help you, some people are just stupid. Like you junior.

Dude, you have never ONCE presented a coherent argument besides lame, empty rhetoric. You aren't original. You aren't clever. Your shit sucks. Of all the anti-American morons on here, you're by far the least potent (both in terms of arguments, and probably sexually as well). You are the one who is being trendy by adopting anti-American propaganda that is cool amongst kids your age. You're the child, not me. And ultimately, you're a European. Your continent is gonna get taken over by the Muslims. It's already happening now. When it's finished, you'll realize eventually that I was right all along.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: The King on January 05, 2009, 09:43:34 PM
^ Coherent arguement eh?

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It's not like the Palestinians (or Arabs in general) contribute anything to human progress.

You have no credibility kid. I give my opinions. You're just some uneducated, ignorant, untraveled, angry white conservative hiding behind another equally stupid racist named Jared Taylor. Do you have an education? Have you left the country? Are you that pissed McCain lost the election? You don't have a leg to stand on junior. So sit down, and shut up. Thanks boy. I had these same idiotic back and fourths with another loser named Real American, who changes his name every few months to hide his stupidity. He made the same arguments as you, said equally stupid things, and yet again, uneducated, untraveled, white, American, probably religious, conservative. Anti-American propaganda? What is that? An oxymoron? It's not propaganda when it's completely factual. I'm sure all that WMD "evidence" Bush and all those other neo-cons made up is just myself believing the propaganda right? Please man, just grow up, and stop pretending to be Jared Taylor, then maybe you could be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on January 06, 2009, 11:10:21 AM
^ Coherent arguement eh?

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It's not like the Palestinians (or Arabs in general) contribute anything to human progress.

I stand by that. There is basically no Palestinian economy. The Palestinians don't seem to care that they have made no attempt to create a functioning state even though they've been given the opportunity. The only thing they care about is fighting the Israelis. They live in a traditional "honor-shame" type culture where fighting (and losing) is seen as morally superior to actually bettering oneself. It's primitive ethnic tribalism of the stupidest type. And all because Muslims can't accept the idea of having a non-Muslim state in their midst.

Do you have an education? Have you left the country?

Yep. I graduated from Yale, speak English, French, and Japanese, and have been across the world. I was in Israel a few years back, in fact, and Algeria fairly recently.

And I know you can't say the same.

Are you that pissed McCain lost the election?

Nope. Why would I vote for someone who has an adopted Bangladeshi daughter and refuses to close the borders to wetback immigration? Do you REALLY believe a white nationalist like myself sees McCain as being AT ALL sympathetic to my interests? I voted for Chuck Baldwin.

But whatever. Being a stupid leftist child, you think anyone on the "right" is the same...Republicans are just like fascists, right? Even though, strangely enough, the REAL fascists in this world actually tend to support the Palestinians and hate the Jews.

You don't have a leg to stand on junior. So sit down, and shut up.

What, and you do? You are the lamest excuse for a European I've ever seen. Some other posters on here are against me, but I'll give them credit for being clever. You're just stupid but THINK you're clever. You've been living off media propaganda your entire life, about how Muslims are good, Israel is bad, America is always at fault, blah, blah, blah. I've been to Europe enough times to know that most of the media functions this way.

He made the same arguments as you, said equally stupid things, and yet again, uneducated, untraveled, white, American, probably religious, conservative.

Real American was not a racial realist, as I am. And he actually listened to the trash music you call "rap", which I don't.

Anti-American propaganda? What is that? An oxymoron? It's not propaganda when it's completely factual. I'm sure all that WMD "evidence" Bush and all those other neo-cons made up is just myself believing the propaganda right? Please man, just grow up, and stop pretending to be Jared Taylor, then maybe you could be taken seriously.

It's not factual; it's twisting the facts. As far as the WMD evidence, it was just an excuse to get the UN to approve.

You are far, FAR harder to take seriously, because you have no education besides what you read on The Guardian and Al Jazeera. Most leftist dune coon sympathizers are just like you.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on January 06, 2009, 11:16:25 AM

I'm 250% down with Israel  8)

Of course you are,  italo-georgian. Israel supplied Georgia with weapons in the Ausgust war last year.


P.S:      FUCK ISRAEL AND EVERY FAGGOT DOWN WITH THEM   

fool,i'm not georgian  :D  :sshh: :psych:
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: CantCme213 on January 07, 2009, 11:17:03 AM

I'm 250% down with Israel  8)

Of course you are,  italo-georgian. Israel supplied Georgia with weapons in the Ausgust war last year.


P.S:      FUCK ISRAEL AND EVERY FAGGOT DOWN WITH THEM   

fool,i'm not georgian  :D  :sshh: :psych:

But you are a faggot !   :-X
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on January 07, 2009, 11:22:52 AM

I'm 250% down with Israel  8)

Of course you are,  italo-georgian. Israel supplied Georgia with weapons in the Ausgust war last year.


P.S:      FUCK ISRAEL AND EVERY FAGGOT DOWN WITH THEM   

fool,i'm not georgian  :D  :sshh: :psych:

But you are a faggot !   :-X
you live in the land of the fags,STFU
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Jared Taylor on January 07, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
you live in the land of the fags,STFU

Ireland?
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Furor Teutonicus on January 08, 2009, 01:03:14 AM

Do you have an education? Have you left the country?

Yep. I graduated from Yale, speak English, French, and Japanese, and have been across the world. I was in Israel a few years back, in fact, and Algeria fairly recently.

And I know you can't say the same.


Uhh, impressive, I   speak Spanish, Korean, German, Italian and know Sign Language. Plus I can communicate with animals.
Title: Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
Post by: Elano on January 08, 2009, 04:03:20 AM
FUCK LEBANON

Attack on Israel from Lebanon threatens 2nd front

JERUSALEM – Lebanese militants fired at least three rockets into Israel early Thursday, threatening to open a new front for the Jewish state as it pushed forward with a bloody offensive in the Gaza Strip that has killed nearly 700 people.

Two people were lightly injured, and the rockets that exploded in Israel's north raised the specter of renewed hostilities with Hezbollah, just 2 1/2 years after Israel battled the guerrilla group to a 34-day stalemate. Hezbollah started the 2006 war as Israel was battling Palestinian militants in Gaza.

No group claimed responsibility and Lebanon's government, wary of conflict, quickly condemned the rocket fire. Israel fired mortar shells into southern Lebanon in response.

For a second straight day, Israel said it suspended is Gaza military operation for three hours to allow in humanitarian supplies.

In new fighting Thursday, Israel killed at eight people, including five militants, raising the death toll from its 13-day offensive to 696 people, according to Palestinian medical officials.

The offensive is meant to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel, but with roughly half the dead believed to be civilians, international efforts to broker a cease-fire have been gaining steam.

One of the Lebanese rockets went through the roof of a retirement home in Nahariya, about five miles from the border, and exploded in the kitchen as some 25 residents were eating breakfast in the adjacent dining hall. One resident suffered a broken leg, another bruises, apparently from slipping on the floor after emergency sprinklers came on.

"The rocket entered through the roof, hurling the water heaters into the air. It went through bedrooms upstairs and then into the kitchen. There was a serious blast," said Henry Carmelli, the home's manager.

About three hours later, air-raid sirens went off again. Residents in two northern towns reported explosions of incoming rockets, though some reports suggested there had been a false alarm. Police said they were searching for the fallen projectiles.

Israel has repeatedly said it was prepared for a possible attack on the north since it launched its bruising campaign against Hamas militants in Gaza on Dec. 27. Israel has mobilized thousands of reserve troops for such a scenario, and leaders have warned Hezbollah of dire consequences if it enters the fighting.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora condemned both the attacks and Israel's retaliatory fire. The attacks are "the work of parties who stand to lose from the continued stability in Lebanon," Saniora said.

Hezbollah, which did not comment, has said it does not want to draw Lebanon into a new war. Small Palestinian groups, who have rocketed Israel twice since the end of the 2006 war, have recently threatened to open a new front against Israel if the fighting in Gaza continued.

An Israeli Cabinet minister, Meir Sheetrit, suggested that Lebanese splinter groups, not Hezbollah, were responsible. He said the government had no interest in renewing hostilities.

"Even though we have the ability to respond with great force, the response needs to be carefully considered and responsible," Sheetrit told Army Radio. "We don't need to play into their hands."

Shortly after the first rockets fell around the town of Nahariya, five miles south of the Lebanese border, Lebanese TV stations reported Israeli mortar fire on open areas in southern Lebanon. The Israeli military confirmed it carried out "pinpoint fire" in response without elaborating.

Israeli defense commentators said they expected the incident to be a one-time show of solidarity with the Palestinians, not a declaration of war. Still, police said public bomb shelters throughout the north were opened.

Palestinians reported some two dozen airstrikes in Gaza on Thursday. One militant was killed and 10 wounded in Gaza City, while an airstrike in northern Gaza three members of a rocket-launching cell, Palestinian medical officials said. The attack took place about 150 yards from a hospital and wounded 12 bystanders. The Israeli army has repeatedly said militants use civilian areas for cover.

Also, there were clashes between Israeli armored forces and Hamas militants in southern Gaza.

The Israeli offensive has reduced Palestinian rocket fire, but not stopped it altogether. Several barrages were reported Thursday, including one strike that damaged a school and sports center in the southern city of Ashkelon, police said. Both buildings were empty.

For a second day, Israel's Defense Ministry said the offensive was halted for three hours to allow Gaza residents to stock up on supplies and to allow aid shipments into the besieged area. Ministry spokesman Peter Lerner also said some 300 Palestinian holders of foreign passports would be allowed to leave.

The lull appears to be in response to international pressure on Israel to try relieve civilian suffering in Gaza. U.N. spokesman Chris Gunness said three hours was "wholly inadequate" and would not be enough to relieve widespread food and water shortages.

After Wednesday's lull, Israel quickly resumed its offensive, bombing suspected smuggling tunnels near the border with Egypt after Hamas responded with a rocket barrage. Israeli planes destroyed at least 16 empty houses.

The tunnels are Hamas' lifeline, used to bring in arms, money and basic goods. Israel says local homes are used to conceal the tunnels.