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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Elano on January 04, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
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...and all those countries that supplies hamas with weapons and other kinds of armory.
FUCK Y'ALL
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fuck u 2 son
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Fuck you too baby boo
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...and all those countries that supplies hamas with weapons and other kinds of armory.
FUCK Y'ALL
Hamas? Please man. A few terrorists fire rockets into Israel. What does Israel do? Invade Gaza with tanks, an actual army, and kills thousands of innocent people. How many people do Hamas kill? Few hundred a year maybe? Israel over-reacts and the aggression is completely unjustified. Their pussies. The Israeli government are cowards. They know they can get away with anything because if Iran or Lebannon or Syria help defend Gaza, the US will just go ape shit. If Israel wants a war, the US should be left out of it.
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fuck u 2 son
kiss my ass
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lol...+1 to the thread starter... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cZCj-9cVCvU&feature=related 8) 8) 8)
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...and all those countries that supplies hamas with weapons and other kinds of armory.
FUCK Y'ALL
Hamas? Please man. A few terrorists fire rockets into Israel. What does Israel do? Invade Gaza with tanks, an actual army, and kills thousands of innocent people. How many people do Hamas kill? Few hundred a year maybe? Israel over-reacts and the aggression is completely unjustified. Their pussies. The Israeli government are cowards. They know they can get away with anything because if Iran or Lebannon or Syria help defend Gaza, the US will just go ape shit. If Israel wants a war, the US should be left out of it.
I've read the terrorists killed 8 and injured 60 people in 08'. Israel killed 420 within one week. I understand that Israel's pissed, because the people can't live a normal life because some idiots fire rockets at their houses every day. But the reaction of the Israeli government was wrong, it seems that they've planned that for a long time and just waited for the right time. No wonder they react with terrorist attacks when Israel sieges Gaza for months.
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...and all those countries that supplies hamas with weapons and other kinds of armory.
FUCK Y'ALL
Hamas? Please man. A few terrorists fire rockets into Israel. What does Israel do? Invade Gaza with tanks, an actual army, and kills thousands of innocent people. How many people do Hamas kill? Few hundred a year maybe? Israel over-reacts and the aggression is completely unjustified. Their pussies. The Israeli government are cowards. They know they can get away with anything because if Iran or Lebannon or Syria help defend Gaza, the US will just go ape shit. If Israel wants a war, the US should be left out of it.
world this is like the u.k government decided its had enough of knife crime...declaring war on teenagers and blanket bombing london
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its not just about the rockets,but the suicide bombers too
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...and all those countries that supplies hamas with weapons and other kinds of armory.
FUCK Y'ALL
Hamas? Please man. A few terrorists fire rockets into Israel. What does Israel do? Invade Gaza with tanks, an actual army, and kills thousands of innocent people. How many people do Hamas kill? Few hundred a year maybe? Israel over-reacts and the aggression is completely unjustified. Their pussies. The Israeli government are cowards. They know they can get away with anything because if Iran or Lebannon or Syria help defend Gaza, the US will just go ape shit. If Israel wants a war, the US should be left out of it.
world this is like the u.k government decided its had enough of knife crime...declaring war on teenagers and blanket bombing london
so you are comparing rockets and suicide bombers to the knife crime in u.k. ? ::)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/frequenze/Orsonclapping.gif)
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...and all those countries that supplies hamas with weapons and other kinds of armory.
FUCK Y'ALL
Hamas? Please man. A few terrorists fire rockets into Israel. What does Israel do? Invade Gaza with tanks, an actual army, and kills thousands of innocent people. How many people do Hamas kill? Few hundred a year maybe? Israel over-reacts and the aggression is completely unjustified. Their pussies. The Israeli government are cowards. They know they can get away with anything because if Iran or Lebannon or Syria help defend Gaza, the US will just go ape shit. If Israel wants a war, the US should be left out of it.
world this is like the u.k government decided its had enough of knife crime...declaring war on teenagers and blanket bombing london
so you are comparing rockets and suicide bombers to the knife crime in u.k. ? ::)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/frequenze/Orsonclapping.gif)
i agree its almost as bad as trawling the internet for a "funny" picture
same thing hypothetically from where i stand a few bad apples commiting murder and the authoritys responding with mass murder...we had suicide bombers that were british bred if that comparison makes you feel better we didnt start bombing ourselves i
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just like your 2 replies
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just like your 2 replies
sorry mate i know your m.o and im not into the back and forth bickering
if you cant agree they have majorly over reacted more power to you
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just like your 2 replies
sorry mate i know your m.o and im not into the back and forth bickering
if you cant agree they have majorly over reacted more power to you
They have majorly over reacted for sure,they have already had enough patience imho....
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Fuck them all.
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Fuck you too baby boo
WHO ARE YOU?
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Hamas ARE the civilians in Gaza..
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Hamas ARE the civilians in Gaza..
c'mon,not all the civilians belong to hamas
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Hamas ARE the civilians in Gaza..
c'mon,not all the civilians belong to hamas
Last time I checked the civilians did vote for Hamas to govern, and also last time I checked, a large number (maybe a majority) of Muslims support the goals of Hamas. The term terrorist is thrown around too loosely. What makes Hamas terrorists? They shoot rockets into Israel and kill civilians? Watch the fucking news! Israel has tanks, helicopters, fucking battleships, an actual army, all right at this second, killing civilians. What the fuck is the difference between Hamas firing rockets into Israel, and the Israel army invading Gaza? How are Hamas the fucking terrorists? A simple thought experiment should solve the problem. Which side is killing more civilians? Their. That's the answer. Answer that, you got the real terrorists.
What you don't understand is, people have NO sympathy for Israel. All they see is Israel over-reacting and invading Lebanon, Gaza and whoever else. Fuck Israel, and fuck the Zionists.
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Hamas ARE the civilians in Gaza..
c'mon,not all the civilians belong to hamas
Last time I checked the civilians did vote for Hamas to govern, and also last time I checked, a large number (maybe a majority) of Muslims support the goals of Hamas. The term terrorist is thrown around too loosely. What makes Hamas terrorists? They shoot rockets into Israel and kill civilians? Watch the fucking news! Israel has tanks, helicopters, fucking battleships, an actual army, all right at this second, killing civilians. What the fuck is the difference between Hamas firing rockets into Israel, and the Israel army invading Gaza? How are Hamas the fucking terrorists? A simple thought experiment should solve the problem. Which side is killing more civilians? Their. That's the answer. Answer that, you got the real terrorists.
What you don't understand is, people have NO sympathy for Israel. All they see is Israel over-reacting and invading Lebanon, Gaza and whoever else. Fuck Israel, and fuck the Zionists.
co-signed to fuck!!!
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How many people do Hamas kill? Few hundred a year maybe?
That's an overstatement... try 4.. Hamas rockets have killed only 4 Israeli's! More people will die of suicide in Israel this year than as a result of Hamas rockets.
So this is really no real fight. I don't consider Hamas as having any serious capabilities. But now if Hezbollah enters the war, that would give Israeli's something legitimate to fear.
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Hey slow your roll Italo-georgian.
Iran is cool, probably the only anti-zionist muslim country. They are way better than
saudi arabia.
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ATLEAST THERY ARE NOT NIGGERS !!!
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Hamas ARE the civilians in Gaza..
c'mon,not all the civilians belong to hamas
Last time I checked the civilians did vote for Hamas to govern, and also last time I checked, a large number (maybe a majority) of Muslims support the goals of Hamas. The term terrorist is thrown around too loosely. What makes Hamas terrorists? They shoot rockets into Israel and kill civilians? Watch the fucking news! Israel has tanks, helicopters, fucking battleships, an actual army, all right at this second, killing civilians. What the fuck is the difference between Hamas firing rockets into Israel, and the Israel army invading Gaza? How are Hamas the fucking terrorists? A simple thought experiment should solve the problem. Which side is killing more civilians? Their. That's the answer. Answer that, you got the real terrorists.
What you don't understand is, people have NO sympathy for Israel. All they see is Israel over-reacting and invading Lebanon, Gaza and whoever else. Fuck Israel, and fuck the Zionists.
co-signed to fuck!!!
AMEN
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Those fuckin hamas terrorist are fuckin cowards,they hide between the civilians just to come out after the bombings to point their fingers at the israelis >:(
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Hamas ARE the civilians in Gaza..
c'mon,not all the civilians belong to hamas
What makes Hamas terrorists?
They doesn't look like a peaceful movement.....
(http://static.rp-online.de/layout/showbilder/1060-hamas1.jpg)
(http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/pictures/hamas_with_child.jpg)
(http://www.americandigest.org/mt-archives/hamas-gaza-body-parts-02.jpg)
(http://www.hyscience.com/archives/Hamas_suicide%2520Eng_0001.jpeg)
(http://bbsnews.net/bbsn_photos/topics/Israel_Palestine/Members_of_the_Hamas.sized.jpg)
(take a look @ the people in this pic^,they're in love with these hamas soldiers)
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Hey slow your roll Italo-georgian.
Iran is cool, probably the only anti-zionist muslim country. They are way better than
saudi arabia.
italo what ?
calm down little ira's groupie :sshh:
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What the fuck is the difference between Hamas firing rockets into Israel, and the Israel army invading Gaza?
How about this: If Hamas would STOP firing rockets into Israel, Israel would leave Gaza alone and not send its tanks there, and Palestinian civilians wouldn't die. Whereas when Israel pulled OUT of Gaza in 2005, Hamas did NOT stop firing the rockets and killing civilians. Because unlike Israel, killing civilians is the ENTIRE POINT of what Hamas does.
Start with that. Not that I expect your brainwashed leftist ass to figure out the difference regardless.
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Because unlike Israel, killing civilians is the ENTIRE POINT of what Hamas does.
BUT they're not terrorists ::)
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What the fuck is the difference between Hamas firing rockets into Israel, and the Israel army invading Gaza?
How about this: If Hamas would STOP firing rockets into Israel, Israel would leave Gaza alone and not send its tanks there, and Palestinian civilians wouldn't die. Whereas when Israel pulled OUT of Gaza in 2005, Hamas did NOT stop firing the rockets and killing civilians. Because unlike Israel, killing civilians is the ENTIRE POINT of what Hamas does.
Start with that. Not that I expect your brainwashed leftist ass to figure out the difference regardless.
Israel cut off all the water and power to Gaza, that is why they responded with rockets, it's a fucking provocation you brainless zombie. In turn all these people have are these shitty crude homemade rockets, when you corner an animal it will fight back. You expect these people to just roll over and die or better yet, be ethnically cleansed, no one actually takes you seriously because your brain has clearly been sterilised. As for that bs about wishing all jews were wiped out, I treat that with the same disdain to. The actions of the evil bastards orchestrating this bombardment of Gaza are using depleted uranium on their own doorstep but not only that, the worse this becomes, the more they make jews abroad potential targets and make the future security of Israel even more unstable.
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Hey virtuose these are not evil bastards ? ::)
(http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/pictures/hamas_with_child.jpg)
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Which part of this don't you understand, suicide bombs are horrific but the policies of Israel are the cause and the effect is suicide bombers and other extremist elements.
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Which part of this don't you understand, suicide bombs are horrific but the policies of Israel are the cause and the effect is suicide bombers and other extremist elements.
ah,ok ::)
thanks god you know it all
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huh what would you do if the occupying forces switched off your water and electricity, would you serenade them?, everytime they made another incursion into your area, or indeed bulldozed your home because "it might be" used as a building to snipe from, praise them for shitting on you again?
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huh what would you do if the occupying forces switched off your water and electricity, would you serenade them?, everytime they made another incursion into your area, or indeed bulldozed your home because "it might be" used as a building to snipe from, praise them for shitting on you again?
YEAH,i feel sorry for hamas,REALLY sorry ::)
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so if you were a palestinian you wouldn't support retaliation? fair enough clearly you love people shitting on you
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so if you were a palestinian you wouldn't support retaliation? fair enough clearly you love people shitting on you
you are a virtuoso :laugh:
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one of the hamas's leaders has used his own children as human shields........but HEY, the israelis are the evil bastards ::)
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one of the hamas's leaders has used his own children as human shields........but HEY, the israelis are the evil bastards ::)
whose he using his kids as a shield against??
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fuck u 2 son
ha
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one of the hamas's leaders has used his own children as human shields........but HEY, the israelis are the evil bastards ::)
whose he using his kids as a shield against??
use your imagination
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one of the hamas's leaders has used his own children as human shields........but HEY, the israelis are the evil bastards ::)
whose he using his kids as a shield against??
use your imagination
Hey Dinamo(!) u bastard boy, shut your asshole mouth up already. And you are a georgian. Remember that thread for the south ossetian war ?
U got so emotional about it , just like the georgian president.
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one of the hamas's leaders has used his own children as human shields........but HEY, the israelis are the evil bastards ::)
whose he using his kids as a shield against??
use your imagination
Hey Dinamo(!) u bastard boy, shut your asshole mouth up already. And you are a georgian. Remember that thread for the south ossetian war ?
U got so emotional about it , just like the georgian president.
sunday bloody sunday,calm down kid :-*
your mother is georgian :D
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Israel cut off all the water and power to Gaza, that is why they responded with rockets, it's a fucking provocation you brainless zombie.
First of all, don't call me a brainless zombie. You're not so clever and well-read as you think are just because you read Prison Planet. I know it makes you feel cool and privileged to think you know something that I don't, but the fact is, you're still a delusional fucking child.
Anyway, Israel cut off the water and power to Gaza BECAUSE of the fact that the Palestinians had been attacking them, even AFTER they withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Remember how the whole world was telling them to do it and insisting that the Palestinians would start to become more peaceful if they pulled out? Didn't happen, did it?
Also, what does it say in the first place that Israel supplies water and power and fuel to Gaza, in spite of the fact that the Gazans are constantly attacking them? If you want more comedy, consider this: Palestinians militias have actually attacked aid routes and, in April 2008, the same fuel terminal that supplied power to Gaza!
In turn all these people have are these shitty crude homemade rockets, when you corner an animal it will fight back.
But the Palestinians aren't being cornered. It's ridiculous to characterize their violence as defensive, because just about everything wrong with them is their own fault.
Which part of this don't you understand, suicide bombs are horrific but the policies of Israel are the cause and the effect is suicide bombers and other extremist elements.
No, the cause of suicide bombs is a combination of (1.) the Green Fascist (read: Islamist) propaganda that Palestinian kids have been brainwashed with their whole lives, telling them they'll get martyred for suicide-bombing, and (2.) The Palestinians' unwillingness to accept anything other than the destruction of Israel.
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You're not so clever and well-read as you think are just because you read Prison Planet. I know it makes you feel cool and privileged to think you know something that I don't, but the fact is, you're still a delusional fucking child.
LMAO ;D
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Hey dipshit, the majority of prison planet articles are from the mainstream press, but you are so damn dumb that you call things "conspiracy theories" even when the information comes straight from the horses mouth i.e. documents written by the bastards lol. The IDF is forever provoking the palestinians, bulldozing their homes, trespassing, using collective punishments and grabbing more and more land for settlements.
As for justifying the destruction of people and their homes because of the "evil hamas" and saying well they use human sheilds, it would be like robbers holding hostage many people within a bank, opening fire on the police and the police responding by blitzing the bank with rockets. Oh but wait destroying men women and children has been done before at Waco, your wet dream right?
You are one sick fuck, go and fight the "good fight" in Afghanistan or Iraq oh and just to note I am of average intelligence but it's mentally under developed retards like you which make me appear extremely intelligent.
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It's interesting that you managed to avoid addressing my point about Israel supplying water and power to Gaza in spite of the fact that all they get from the Gazans in return is terrorism. Which was pretty much your entire excuse for justifying Hamas' rocket attacks.
Hey dipshit, the majority of prison planet articles are from the mainstream press, but you are so damn dumb that you call things "conspiracy theories" even when the information comes straight from the horses mouth i.e. documents written by the bastards lol.
First of all, that's kind of a stupid point, because the "mainstream press" tends to be left-wing and sympathetic to the Palestinians, just like you.
Anyway, my own site, American Renaissance, also gets its articles from the mainstream press (check out our web site if you don't believe me). Yet of course, I can't imagine you have anything positive to say about us due to our INTERPRETATIONS of the news releases that we post on our site. Why? Because you don't agree with racial-realist thinking.
Likewise, I disagree with how Prison Planet presents the articles and the conclusions it obviously wishes its dumbfuck readers like yourself to draw from them.
The IDF is forever provoking the palestinians, bulldozing their homes, trespassing, using collective punishments and grabbing more and more land for settlements.
Or is it the other way around? Have the Gazans been constantly provoking the Israelis since the Intifada in '87? And likewise, the PLO has been provoking Israel for a helluva lot longer than that.
As for justifying the destruction of people and their homes because of the "evil hamas" and saying well they use human sheilds, it would be like robbers holding hostage many people within a bank, opening fire on the police and the police responding by blitzing the bank with rockets. Oh but wait destroying men women and children has been done before at Waco, your wet dream right?
That's a poor analogy, because the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas to power. Even those that didn't are still repugnant people for supporting (A.) the destruction of Israel, and (B.) the killing of civilians to accomplish this. See, "collective punishment" makes sense in a place like Gaza because there is a thin line between "combatant" and "civilian".
Also, you wanna know something interesting? 95% of the Palestinians getting killed by the IDF are MEN, not women.
You are one sick fuck, go and fight the "good fight" in Afghanistan or Iraq oh and just to note I am of average intelligence but it's mentally under developed retards like you which make me appear extremely intelligent.
You wish.
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They supply the water to them because they were the occupiers of their land, but when they go after the water and electricity supplies to undermine and overthrow Hamas then they are engaging in terrorism. However Israel don't engage in terrorism, no, according to your simple minded interpretation...
A terrorist is a muslim extremist "who hates our freedoms" Oh and you can't have both ways, by using people as human shields which the IDF accuses of them doing so, then they are making the people hostages, so in fact the analogy is sound.
I am done with you, at least people like Leo Strauss try and conduct their wickedness in a clever if twisted way, you are just a common piece of shit. Apologies to the mod for allowing this "fuck iran" thread to turn into something else and on topic, no, fuck this idea of blowing the shit out of any country.
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They supply the water to them because they were the occupiers of their land, but when they go after the water and electricity supplies to undermine and overthrow Hamas then they are engaging in terrorism.
That avoids the key issue - why should Israel supply water and power to them in the FIRST PLACE if these fucking Arab scumbags aren't doing anything except firing rockets at them? Furthermore, why is it that the Palestinians themselves have attacked the same fuel plant that gave them power? I'm pretty sure countries at war don't give water and fuel to their enemies at all in most cases. The fact that Israel does reflects quite well on them.
However Israel don't engage in terrorism, no, according to your simple minded interpretation...
I dunno about that, but at least Israel isn't trying to set up some radical Islamic fascist state on the land. Instead, they've built a thriving democracy where Arabs are welcome as fellow Israelis (something I would never do myself). Can you imagine such a thing existing if the Palestinians got their way? I sure can't.
Seriously, why do the Palestinians even DESERVE to have their own country? We all know what it would be like - it would be some Islamic fascist country where Jews would not be welcome, and would almost surely be reduced to dhimmis or (worse) wiped out. Do we really need another Arab autocracy in the Middle East? Between an Islamist Palestine and a democratic Israel, I prefer the latter.
A terrorist is a muslim extremist "who hates our freedoms"
No, a terrorist is someone who kills innocent people, laughs about it, CELEBRATES it the way the Palestinians do. All in the name of setting up some totalitarian state where there is no freedom. How you find ANY moral equivalence between the Israelis and Hamas is just beyond me, but it's a peculiarly European tendency.
Oh and you can't have both ways, by using people as human shields which the IDF accuses of them doing so, then they are making the people hostages, so in fact the analogy is sound.
But Hamas isn't "using" these people. That's the truth you refuse to face. Hamas is a very large organization with thousands of fighters. An organization that large can't move around, conduct operations, and survive without the support of a large segment of the Gazan population. The Palestinians aren't hostages because they share Hamas' goals, they voted Hamas into power, and most of them have a seething racist, anti-Semitic hatred of Jews that their enemies do NOT have.
Really, I will never figure out why anyone would sympathize with the Palestinians. Of all the so-called "oppressed" people in the world, they're by far the most violent and depraved, and in my opinion, the least worthy of anyone's sympathy. Then again, I suppose it's fair to note that it's only the radical student leftists in Europe who support them. The other Arab countries have shitted on them for as long as the Israelis have. But of course, it's Israel and America that get 100% of the hatred.
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I'm partially with Taylor here. Israel has every right to bomb Palestina. They always throw the first rock, and Israel has every right to defend their people. Only imagine that your government would tolerate that they fire rockets at your city on a daily basis. And the rest of the world expects that you protect their water supplies. But I can understand the anger in the Arabic world, they conrtolled this land for 100s of years, then they were surpressed by british invaders, and now they expect that these people accept that Jews should control 'their" country, only because their former surpressors/the western countries say so. How can you expect that his works out?
Of course it's a tragedy for the people, and calling them 'Arabic scumbag' is :grumpy:
I think the majority of them would rather live in peace with Israel instead of living in a warzone. It's just that those people have no voice in these countries.
But the question is: What's the purpose of these bombings? There will never be peace anyway. When they bomb these people just to retailiate, they only increase the urge of revenge.
They can't eliminate Hamas, and even if they could, other radical organisations would take over.
Sorry but one of them has to go, this is the only solution. But if they deport all Palestinians, Israel would still be surrounded by hostile nations. It's clear that tey're not welcome in the Arabic world. So why not give them their own territory in Europe, the Fench have more than they need anyway. Or in America. They just have to shit on their roots, but that's a fair price compared to living in danger and hate if you ask me.
The problem with you guys is that you only can see black or white, but you need to look from both perspectives. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are saints, but at the end of the day, it's not Israels fault. It's just that their current government is very awkward and incompetent.
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virtuoso chill for a minute god dammit
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Richard Falk reported that on November 4th Israel broke the ceasefire which then led to the palestinians responding. You decided to ignore that bit and talk about the history of the past few years but of course that to is riddled with bs and spin. I could go back and forth with you on that score, like the murder of the family on the Gaza beach which was then initially denied, admitted that it might have been the IDF and finally admitted that okay it was us but what can you do, it's only Palestinians.
As for the above poster talking about the prospect of "deporting the palestinians", another few words for that, are ethnic cleansing, it's amazing how the alteration of a few words suddenly conjures up a completely different image isn't it.
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As for the above poster talking about the prospect of "deporting the palestinians", another few words for that, are ethnic cleansing, it's amazing how the alteration of a few words suddenly conjures up a completely different image isn't it.
Sorry but my vocab is limited to Nazi terminology. Damn it sucks to be German, I don't want to think like that, but I'm determined to do so.
The best solution would be when one of them moves voluntarily, or they'll have to live with bloodshed forever. Seems like both sides prefer it, so let them do what they want to. People are fighting for the Holy Land for over 1000 years, what would the world be without it? Let them kill each other, then we can sell some weapons and everything is fine.
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Richard Falk reported that on November 4th Israel broke the ceasefire which then led to the palestinians responding.
What? What has Hamas been doing almost since the ceasefire went into effect?
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But the question is: What's the purpose of these bombings? There will never be peace anyway. When they bomb these people just to retailiate, they only increase the urge of revenge.
They can't eliminate Hamas, and even if they could, other radical organisations would take over.
The purpose? Pretty simple. Bush is about to leave office, and the Israelis think Obama won't let them get away with the same shit (not that I believe this is true, but they seem to). So they're trying to this now while they figure it'll get the least resistance from D.C.
Defeating Hamas isn't possible, but they know enough about the leadership that they can kill off most of the group's most senior members and experienced operators. The rest, they hope, will fall to Fatah to take care of. Hamas will be weak for a few years, and Fatah might just able to re-assert control in Gaza. Of course, Hamas will inevitably come back in the long-term, and probably be tougher than ever, but Israeli CI doctrine has always focused on the short-term strategy (which is why they used to fund Hamas in the first place), which is part of what makes it all so stupid.
Then again, I'm not sure there's a better option.
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They supply the water to them because they were the occupiers of their land, but when they go after the water and electricity supplies to undermine and overthrow Hamas then they are engaging in terrorism.
That avoids the key issue - why should Israel supply water and power to them in the FIRST PLACE if these fucking Arab scumbags aren't doing anything except firing rockets at them? Furthermore, why is it that the Palestinians themselves have attacked the same fuel plant that gave them power? I'm pretty sure countries at war don't give water and fuel to their enemies at all in most cases. The fact that Israel does reflects quite well on them.
However Israel don't engage in terrorism, no, according to your simple minded interpretation...
I dunno about that, but at least Israel isn't trying to set up some radical Islamic fascist state on the land. Instead, they've built a thriving democracy where Arabs are welcome as fellow Israelis (something I would never do myself). Can you imagine such a thing existing if the Palestinians got their way? I sure can't.
Seriously, why do the Palestinians even DESERVE to have their own country? We all know what it would be like - it would be some Islamic fascist country where Jews would not be welcome, and would almost surely be reduced to dhimmis or (worse) wiped out. Do we really need another Arab autocracy in the Middle East? Between an Islamist Palestine and a democratic Israel, I prefer the latter.
A terrorist is a muslim extremist "who hates our freedoms"
No, a terrorist is someone who kills innocent people, laughs about it, CELEBRATES it the way the Palestinians do. All in the name of setting up some totalitarian state where there is no freedom. How you find ANY moral equivalence between the Israelis and Hamas is just beyond me, but it's a peculiarly European tendency.
Oh and you can't have both ways, by using people as human shields which the IDF accuses of them doing so, then they are making the people hostages, so in fact the analogy is sound.
But Hamas isn't "using" these people. That's the truth you refuse to face. Hamas is a very large organization with thousands of fighters. An organization that large can't move around, conduct operations, and survive without the support of a large segment of the Gazan population. The Palestinians aren't hostages because they share Hamas' goals, they voted Hamas into power, and most of them have a seething racist, anti-Semitic hatred of Jews that their enemies do NOT have.
Really, I will never figure out why anyone would sympathize with the Palestinians. Of all the so-called "oppressed" people in the world, they're by far the most violent and depraved, and in my opinion, the least worthy of anyone's sympathy. Then again, I suppose it's fair to note that it's only the radical student leftists in Europe who support them. The other Arab countries have shitted on them for as long as the Israelis have. But of course, it's Israel and America that get 100% of the hatred.
sweetheart
dont try to kick knowledge. keep being the entertaining shock poster that you are, otherwise some big boy might take you serious and kick you out the sand box
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sweetheart
dont try to kick knowledge. keep being the entertaining shock poster that you are, otherwise some big boy might take you serious and kick you out the sand box
The White Man gives you permission to speak.
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The purpose? Pretty simple. Bush is about to leave office, and the Israelis think Obama won't let them get away with the same shit (not that I believe this is true, but they seem to). So they're trying to this now while they figure it'll get the least resistance from D.C.
Defeating Hamas isn't possible, but they know enough about the leadership that they can kill off most of the group's most senior members and experienced operators. The rest, they hope, will fall to Fatah to take care of. Hamas will be weak for a few years, and Fatah might just able to re-assert control in Gaza. Of course, Hamas will inevitably come back in the long-term, and probably be tougher than ever, but Israeli CI doctrine has always focused on the short-term strategy (which is why they used to fund Hamas in the first place), which is part of what makes it all so stupid.
Then again, I'm not sure there's a better option.
smh
Crackerdamus, easy on the predictions. Your crystal ball is about accurate as a dick cheney shot
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sweetheart
dont try to kick knowledge. keep being the entertaining shock poster that you are, otherwise some big boy might take you serious and kick you out the sand box
The White Man gives you permission to speak.
LMAO ;D +1
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Crackerdamus, easy on the predictions. Your crystal ball is about accurate as a dick cheney shot
I didn't make any predictions. I only looked at this situation the way I'm guessing the Israelis are. I never said I thought this would work.
But I don't care if the Israelis are killing Arabs because I hate Arabs. And Pashtun, too.
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great stuff
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It is clear to any unbiased observer that the Israeli government does not have the safety of Israeli citizens as its number one priority. If the issue had been security then Israel would not break the cease fire on the 4th of november. Now that we know that the military operation was planned before the cease fire it is simply undeniable that the Kassam missiles following the fourth of november played into the hands of the Israeli government. To be frank, the military action on the fourth of november was undertaken with the expectation of rocket fire and further escalation. Even the fact my building was hit by a rocket does not obscure the facts. In addition, it is worth mentioning that Hamas is being attacked for its merits rather than for its faults. Indeed, in recent years Hamas has voiced its readiness to negotiate a peace settlement on the 1967 borders. In order to thwart the Hamas attempt at diplomatic resolution, the Israeli establishment has resolved to deal a blow to Hamas.
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why does no body ever mention the fact that the country isreal was created in 1948 and located slap bang in the middle of all those arab countries? what the fuck where they thinking? did they really think the likes of the united palistine authority wouldnt care?
also why dosent nobody talk about how isreal is armed to the teeth through american weapons imports i may add? why does isreal have nuclear armament when iran cant?
one mans terroist is another mans freedom fighter.
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It is clear to any unbiased observer that the Israeli government does not have the safety of Israeli citizens as its number one priority. If the issue had been security then Israel would not break the cease fire on the 4th of november. Now that we know that the military operation was planned before the cease fire it is simply undeniable that the Kassam missiles following the fourth of november played into the hands of the Israeli government. To be frank, the military action on the fourth of november was undertaken with the expectation of rocket fire and further escalation. Even the fact my building was hit by a rocket does not obscure the facts. In addition, it is worth mentioning that Hamas is being attacked for its merits rather than for its faults. Indeed, in recent years Hamas has voiced its readiness to negotiate a peace settlement on the 1967 borders. In order to thwart the Hamas attempt at diplomatic resolution, the Israeli establishment has resolved to deal a blow to Hamas.
Word, the intentions of the broken ceasefire was to provide a pretext for what is seeming like final push into Gaza to not only decapitate Hamas but to drive the people off the strip. Sorry to hear that your building was hit man, and glad you weren' harmed but it illustrates that those who run Israel are more than happy to makes israelis targets in their pursuits. You have raised this issue before of Hamas looking to thrash out a diplomatic solution and other than ceasefires and due to the fact that I have not looked into it, i was not aware that Hamas want a permanent peace, only the PLO.
The problem is that people make fantatics synonymous with muslims and yet on other forums I have posted articles from Haaretz ones which detailed in the Lebanon attacks which Israel was now guilty of being a terror state and yet despite the fact that it was written by a jew, I was immediately attacked as hating all jews. How dare I question the actions of the IDF, how dare I criticise Israel, apparently my softly worded language was an attempt to hide my real wish to see all jews die. I retorted to that and repeated something similar to what I have done earlier namely that I want world peace and that was immediately attacked to with "Hitler said he wanted world peace to". So basically I was evil for questioning the evil being perpetrated and that's the point, this is like a hot potato for a lot of people.
Now of course this is not the worst conflict, it's just one of many and is just another crazy event unfolding at the time where sanity needs to be restored but I guess that is just too much to ask.
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Yeah, the tendency to create pretexts for itself is a known Israeli tactic. We did the same thing during the cease fire prior to the 1982 Lebanon war. Back then the government feared the PLO peace offensive, now they were motivated by a Hamas peace offensive.So I think the main goals were 1. To establish Israel's freedom to terrorize the region into submission (code name deterrence) 2. To retain the West Bank territories Israel holds in the face of Hamas moderation.
As for ideological fanaticism, I must say that the Israeli population seems to be very supportive of this operation. As far as I can tell only a tiny minority opposes the operation on principled grounds. Seriously, most people just keep repeating the mantra that this is a just war waged in order to strengthen the security of Israeli citizens. I can see how misinformed people can come to this conclusion. Our media is so conscripted these days it scares the living shit out of me. No one in the media seems to doubt the good intentions of the Israeli government vis a vis its citizens, despite overwhelming evidence that the security and safety of Israeli citizens is secondary-in our government's strategic calculations- to territorial aspirations and regional hegemony.
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Hey geezy man, always appreciate reading your posts but to me at least haaretz has broken for some time this complicit campaign of the media toeing the line with many thought provoking and hard hitting articles, don't you think so? or is the haaretz readership not very big.
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Yea you're right about Haaretz. Haaretz is considered relatively elitist and its quality is typically very good, despite the small Israeli readership. However if u look at the preponderance of Israeli media-specifically the major channels-they are all pretty much toeing the government line.
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lol...+1 to the thread starter... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cZCj-9cVCvU&feature=related 8) 8) 8)
wut is he saying?
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Indeed, in recent years Hamas has voiced its readiness to negotiate a peace settlement on the 1967 borders. In order to thwart the Hamas attempt at diplomatic resolution, the Israeli establishment has resolved to deal a blow to Hamas.
You crack me up. Hamas wants "peace" about as much as Ellen DeGeneres wants dick.
I know full well that Israel's attack on Hamas now is hardly "defensive" in the sense that they're claiming. An attack like this was inevitable regardless of what Hamas did or didn't do. But acting as if Hamas really deserves anyone's sympathy is ridiculous. Shit, even if Hamas DID say they'd be OK with a real peace solution, you know what? I still could care less. The simple fact is that we all know what kind of state Hamas wants to set up in the Palestinian territories - another Arab Islamist autocracy, and we really don't need any more of those in the Middle East.
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Uhm, you may have your speculations as to the kind of state they wanna set up, however my point was not to try and predict the kind of state they're gonna have.I also did not say a word as to who does or does not deserve sympathy. The point was that Hamas is being attacked BECAUSE they were looking for a diplomatic resolution on the 1967 borders. Namely, the Israeli government did not wanna give up the west bank. Had they (Israeli ruling elite) not encouraged Hamas to resort to rocket launching on the fourth of november, they would have to explain to the world why they're not talking to Hamas.
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Ah come on lets be serious, people attack Iran because of it's police state and i am not arguing that point but you know the CIA doesn't want democracy in arab countries at least not real democracy they want dictators who they can control and in turn can retain a stranglehold on the population of that country. It's not about ensuring stability and moderation, Mosadeq was no extremist now was he but it didn't stop a coup against him. You also know that in Iraq for instance this certainly was not about stability, I don't what he did to piss them off but he must have done something. I have read that he was promising to flood the word the world with oil but i never substantiated that.
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FUCK IRAN
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FUCK IRAN
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ur a fag
Israel wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for Iranians
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(http://iranair.it/img/tehran_azadi_new.jpg)
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fuck you jew,haha jews are hated world wide,holocaust 4 life !!!!!
ya'll fags from usa to israel dont have dicks to attack iran,nobodycan touch us
but as you see america can be touched,9-11 but iran ?not possible you son of a bitch,hope hitler put ur mom in kz 2
iran 4 life,fuck israel,fuck stinky jews,fuck america and go and fuck your mom before some nigger does it
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fuck you jew,haha jews are hated world wide,holocaust 4 life !!!!!
ya'll fags from usa to israel dont have dicks to attack iran,nobodycan touch us
but as you see america can be touched,9-11 but iran ?not possible you son of a bitch,hope hitler put ur mom in kz 2
iran 4 life,fuck israel,fuck stinky jews,fuck america and go and fuck your mom before some nigger does it
Stupid ignorant bullshit like that does not help either
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fuck you jew,haha jews are hated world wide,holocaust 4 life !!!!!
ya'll fags from usa to israel dont have dicks to attack iran,nobodycan touch us
but as you see america can be touched,9-11 but iran ?not possible you son of a bitch,hope hitler put ur mom in kz 2
iran 4 life,fuck israel,fuck stinky jews,fuck america and go and fuck your mom before some nigger does it
Stupid ignorant bullshit like that does not help either
u right i was angry that day
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fuck isreal
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fuck isreal
fuck is real indeed.