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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: zilla on January 08, 2009, 11:29:35 AM
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This has been the biggest story in the Bay Area since the new year started.. The area been on some Rodney King shit since the EXECUTION happened on new year's. I know folks that knew this cat, he was gunned down and murdered execution style, shot in the back while handcuffed. And it was all caught on tape!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1612844765/bctid6545555001
So the pig says he thought he reached for his taser, but the taser ain't even on the same side as the gun you fuckin moron!! Plus you can see his other hand taking off the safety before he shoots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r6M05NWy_I
And the riots went down last night, it was crazy, got way out of control.. riots like these go down every year, we just don't get national attention like LA does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDjJf02fac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5361rUgc-Fg
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — Law enforcement officials urged patience while they investigated details surrounding the fatal New Year's Day shooting of a 22-year-old man by a transit agency police officer.
Bay Area Rapid Transit Police Chief Gary Gee said on Sunday that the agency is "committed to completing an unbiased, thorough and detailed investigation" of the shooting death of Oscar Grant.
"This case is not even four days cold. We're in the early stages of the investigation and we will do a very thorough job," he said.
Several unanswered questions remained after BART officers went to Oakland's Fruitvale station to investigate reports of a supposed brawl on a train on which Grant was riding around 2 a.m. Thursday.
A friend of Grant's who was with him on the crowded Oakland train station platform at the time of the shooting said Grant pleaded with officers not to harm him.
"Oscar yelled, 'You shot me! I got a four-year-old daughter,'" said Fernando Anicete. "Oscar was telling us to calm down and we did. We weren't looking for any trouble."
Anicete was among more than 50 people attending a tearful news conference in Oakland on Sunday where Grant's family announced they planned to file a $25 million claim against the Bay Area Rapid Transit agency this week. A claim is the first step in the process of suing the agency.
The family's attorney John Burris said the shooting was intentional, and that he planned to ask Alameda County prosecutors to seek criminal charges against the officer. Burris said Grant, of Hayward, Calif., posed no threat to officers when a bullet entered his back and ricocheted to his lung area, killing him almost instantly.
"The officer leaned (in), was straddling over him and pointed his gun directly into the backside and shot (Grant)," said Burris, adding that Grant was handcuffed — after he was shot. "This was not a deadly force situation.
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Gee said BART police are fully cooperating with the district attorney's investigation.
Grant's mother, Wanda Johnson, and Sophina Mesa, his daughter's mother, wept uncontrollably as Burris spoke about Grant. They did not speak, but several said Grant, a butcher at a supermarket near the train station where he was killed, was a loving father showing signs of maturation.
Cephus "Bobby" Johnson, Grant's uncle, said he text messaged his nephew just after midnight Thursday saying, "Happy New Year ... I love you.
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Johnson never got a reply.
"I wondered why he didn't text me back," a teary-eyed Johnson said. "And then I found out why."
BART spokesman Jim Allison has said the officer's gun went off while police were trying to restrain Grant and that Grant was not cuffed. The unidentified officer is on paid leave as BART investigates the shooting.
Mario Pangelina, Mesa's brother who was riding on the same train, two cars behind Grant on Thursday morning, said Sunday he saw Grant beg police not to Taser him because of his child.
"He kept saying, 'Please, please don't Tase me,'" Pangelina said. "He was not acting hostile."
Other witnesses said Grant was lying on his stomach on the station's platform when he was shot.
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PS: FUCK THE POLiCE !!!! >:(
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This is fuckin sad :(
R.I.P.
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PS: FUCK THE POLiCE !!!! >:(
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BART police shooter quits job, skips interview
OAKLAND — The BART police officer under investigation for the fatal New Year's Day shooting of an unarmed man quit his job Wednesday rather than speak with investigators, an official said.
Former officer Johannes Mehserle, 27, has given no comment to BART investigators since the incident in which cell phone videos appeared to capture Mehserle shooting Oscar Grant III as Grant lay facedown on the ground at the Fruitvale station, BART spokesman Linton Johnson said Wednesday.
"We had a meeting scheduled for him to talk, and his attorney and a union rep came in his place and dropped off a letter of resignation instead," Johnson said. "It's interesting, because he was supposed to be talking for the administrative part of our investigation, which is privileged information and couldn't have been used in any criminal investigation anyway."
While BART officials said they've been trying to get Mehserle to talk ever since the shooting, Mehserle's attorney said he hadn't received any requests for an interview from Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff's office as of Wednesday night.
"In general, a prosecutor would contact the attorney of anyone under investigation for a crime," said Christopher Miller, Mehserle's Sacramento-based union attorney. "So that would have come to me."
Orloff declined Wednesday to discuss any details of his office's investigation with the media, citing a standing policy his office has to allow police departments to act as the main public face of any officer-involved shooting investigation.
"We've confirmed the investigation, and that's about as much as we'll say," Orloff said. "The normal thing in a situation like this is to interview anyone who can shed light on it."
Mehserle's resignation takes away BART's ability to leverage a statement out of him, since he can no longer be fired for remaining silent, Orloff said.
Orloff met with a group of about 50 clergy and community members in his office, after they held a rally outside the courthouse and packed the lobby outside his office with wall-to-wall demonstrators demanding he meet with them.
Among the demonstrators was Oakland Councilmember Desley Brooks (Eastmont-Seminary), who called the shooting an "execution" and demanded an explanation of the behavior of the other officers present during the shooting.
Brooks and the clergy spoke with a crowd of about 100 people outside the courthouse just after 9 a.m. and said they'd been denied a meeting with Orloff and demanded swift justice for Grant's killing.
"What shall we tell our sons?" said the Rev. Dr. J. Alfred Smith Sr. of Alan Temple Baptist Church. "Shall we tell them to fear the law? Is the law their enemy? If Oscar Grant is not safe, then I am not safe."
Minister Christopher Muhammad of the Nation of Islam said Mehserle should be arrested immediately.
"What is left to investigate? The whole world has seen this," Muhammad said, referring to widespread Internet videos taken from witnesses' cell phones. "We can discuss his mindset later. But right now he should be detained and held on criminal charges."
At a demonstration in protest of the shooting Wednesday afternoon at the Fruitvale station, Grant's younger sister, Audrena Gilbert, said Mehserle has not talked to the bereaved family.
"I want him to start. I want him to apologize for what he did," said Gilbert, 19, of Oakland. "I want him to tell the truth, why he shot him, what he shot him for. That's all I want."
The afternoon protest, which had a microphone open for anyone to speak but was led by speakers for the Coalition Against Police Executions, drew a crowd of 500 people, police estimated. The station was temporarily shut down, and trains let passengers off at stations on either side of the stop.
"It's not enough the officer resigned today," said Sean Dugar, president of the California National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Youth and College Division. "We demand he be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. "... We shut down one BART station this afternoon. Let's do another one next week."
Speakers at both the morning and afternoon protests led the crowd in a call-and-return chant, shouting, "I am Oscar Grant."
Several clergymen at the morning protest, speakers at the Fruitvale station protest and Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums all expressed an understanding for the community's anger but urged demonstrators to refrain from violence.
"As we handle ourselves in this moment, so shall our children," Dellums said. "I think that in a community that's trying to get its hands around violence, that it's important for us to maintain the integrity of a peaceful community going forward, even in this moment of great anger, great loss and great tragedy."
Despite this appeal, protesters shouted angrily at a representative from Dellums' office sent to the Fruitvale station, and when the crowd later moved toward Lake Merritt, it prompted the police shutdown of the BART station there, lighting a Dumpster's content on fire and ramming it into a police car.
Dellums said the city of Oakland and its Police Department should not become involved in the shooting investigation at this point.
"You deal with the appropriate agencies on the ground, and I think right now that's Bay Area Rapid Transit and that's the district attorney's office," he said. "At this point, I view my role as simply trying to articulate the pain and the sorrow and even the anger that people feel at the loss of human life."
Dave Rose, a retired Placer County sheriff's lieutenant who's now an expert witness on police use of force and the co-author of "Police Use-of-Force Case Law," said every bit of Mehserle's training and all circumstances of the situation on the BART platform that night must be taken into account. All the videos should be professionally enhanced and then reviewed frame by frame for every detail, every twitch, he said.
Based on Mehserle's experience and how officers react physiologically in high-stress situations, Rose said, it could well have been nothing more than a tragic, noncriminal accident.
But UC Berkeley Boalt Hall Law School professor Franklin Zimring, a criminal justice expert, said "absolutely conclusive" videos of the shooting have convinced him there's no possible justification for Mehserle's actions.
"Normally, what you get in a police deadly force interaction is a 'he said, she said' in which there's at least an accusation like, 'There was a flash of metal as he reached toward his pocket,'"‰" Zimring said. "But this guy was already down on the ground. "... He's not in a position to be threatening anybody."
Use of deadly force is considered "in terms of a threat to the physical safety of the officer or somebody else, and there's none there in this case," he added. "So it's accident versus intention, but justification is off the table."
Whether Mehserle meant to draw his Taser but accidentally drew his firearm, or whether he meant to draw his sidearm but didn't mean to fire it, it looks like involuntary manslaughter, Zimring said.
"My money is on that second horse: I think it was an accident, but I don't think the drawing of the gun was an accident," he said, noting it probably wouldn't have been appropriate to draw the Taser but "under no circumstance I could imagine" should Mehserle have drawn his firearm given what's seen on the videos.
Zimring said accidental shootings by officers are rarely charged.
"They don't even have to meet criminal juries most of the time, but most of the time there's a plausible officer vulnerability," he said. "That's what juries can identify with, and that's what's missing in action here. If I were a U.S. or prosecuting attorney, I would not be afraid of taking a criminal case here, certainly for involuntary manslaughter, before an Alameda County jury."
In the absence of a statement from Mehserle, the proper thing to do is to charge the case based on the evidence at hand and then hear his side of the story later, Zimring said: "Not giving a statement in this context may be motivated by an unwillingness to incriminate oneself, but it also deprives the officer of an opportunity to allege that the conduct was unintended."
(http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_11394377)
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:( fucking pigs..and as usuall there will be no charges against the police pussy that did it..
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Yeah, I read about it and saw the footage. Tragic situation.
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I read about this, I don't want to see the footage tho. RIP
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damn this is crazy
them muffuccaz are gon get bombed on
the law cant fuck wit real streets like this
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This is fuckin sad :(
R.I.P.
what if he was palestinian, you dikk riding faggot?
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This is fuckin sad :(
R.I.P.
what if he was palestinian, you dikk riding faggot?
too bad is not one of your relatives,you dumb fucker
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This is fuckin sad :(
R.I.P.
what if he was palestinian, you dikk riding faggot?
too bad is not one of your relatives,you dumb fucker
Dinamo boy , u fucking eastern european male hooker. STFU already.
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This is fuckin sad :(
R.I.P.
what if he was palestinian, you dikk riding faggot?
too bad is not one of your relatives,you dumb fucker
Dinamo boy , u fucking eastern european male hooker. STFU already.
fag ira kid,go fuck yourself and stf :sshh:
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Unfuckingbelievable. Shit is disgusting.
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It's almost hard to believe a cop would do such a thing. This occurred around a crowd of people basically.
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It's almost hard to believe a cop would do such a thing. This occurred around a crowd of people basically.
accord to the police,it was an accident ::)
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It's almost hard to believe a cop would do such a thing. This occurred around a crowd of people basically.
accord to the police,it was an accident ::)
Of course, what else are they going to say? If it was an accident, why would the idiot quit? lol
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It's almost hard to believe a cop would do such a thing. This occurred around a crowd of people basically.
accord to the police,it was an accident ::)
Of course, what else are they going to say? If it was an accident, why would the idiot quit? lol
Sometimes they could shut their mouths and just say SORRY......instead of always defending their officers
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It's almost hard to believe a cop would do such a thing. This occurred around a crowd of people basically.
accord to the police,it was an accident ::)
Of course, what else are they going to say? If it was an accident, why would the idiot quit? lol
Sometimes they could shut their mouths and just say SORRY......instead of always defending their officers
I agree. Unfortunately, the police in the US don't know how to apologize.
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It's almost hard to believe a cop would do such a thing. This occurred around a crowd of people basically.
accord to the police,it was an accident ::)
Of course, what else are they going to say? If it was an accident, why would the idiot quit? lol
Sometimes they could shut their mouths and just say SORRY......instead of always defending their officers
I agree. Unfortunately, the police in the US don't know how to apologize.
It's like that everywhere.
But the police in the US is too fuckin heavy for nothing,even for the most insignificant things
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they wonder why nobody likes the police
even the most legit people duck the cops when they see em, what does that tell you
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:'(
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i'm gay and my mother fucks with the camels
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riots like these go down every year, we just don't get national attention like LA does.
stfu, that wasn't a riot. plus i lived in oakland and b-town for like half my life and it's not sensationalized like you make it out to be.
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^ well ain't no riot finna be 2 days long like the LA ones, muthafucaz got lives.. but there's been many.. you might live there, but resting your head somewhere doesn't mean you're out in them streets or even in tune. What happened in 07 after that Alameda cop didn't get charged? How bout the Oakland riots in 05? And the mini one in the 100s in 04? Super Bowl loss of 02? Dogg Pound Concert? Cash Money concert? and don't get me started on the 90s.. A riot is a riot, small or not.. on average, I'm sure the bay is the most active.
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I think the officer should be charged and I think he should do time. And I really do think it was an accident. This wasn't Rodney King where it was the middle of the night with no one around. It was a crowded subway station with a lot of witnesses. Why would any cop be so stupid to kill someone in cold blood with that many people watching? I just don't think that it being a mistake makes it any more ok. People get drunk and accidentally kill people in car crashes all the time, but they get charged and convicted.
The police are a united group like any other group. Sure they get paid by the people to serve and protect but they are still a brotherhood that protects each other against the the outsiders. Oakland had something like 124 homicides last year, from what I've read. How many of those 124 in 2008 were young black men killed in cold blood by other black men? And how many of those that rioted or protested this would give up any of those that killed those young black men last year if they could? A lot of black people complain to the moon about what the police do but they themselves do and would do the exact same thing. If some 21 year old black thug kills another 21 year old black thug and you say nothing you aren't protecting anyone from the law of the oppressors. You are protecting lies from the truth and doing a greater disservice to your own community than any cop could ever do.
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I think the officer should be charged and I think he should do time. And I really do think it was an accident. This wasn't Rodney King where it was the middle of the night with no one around. It was a crowded subway station with a lot of witnesses. Why would any cop be so stupid to kill someone in cold blood with that many people watching? I just don't think that it being a mistake makes it any more ok. People get drunk and accidentally kill people in car crashes all the time, but they get charged and convicted.
The police are a united group like any other group. Sure they get paid by the people to serve and protect but they are still a brotherhood that protects each other against the the outsiders. Oakland had something like 124 homicides last year, from what I've read. How many of those 124 in 2008 were young black men killed in cold blood by other black men? And how many of those that rioted or protested this would give up any of those that killed those young black men last year if they could? A lot of black people complain to the moon about what the police do but they themselves do and would do the exact same thing. If some 21 year old black thug kills another 21 year old black thug and you say nothing you aren't protecting anyone from the law of the oppressors. You are protecting lies from the truth and doing a greater disservice to your own community than any cop could ever do.
WORD
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they wonder why nobody likes the police
even the most legit people duck the cops when they see em, what does that tell you
cops are assholes
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eye hope oakland go around and burn......nothing but white neighborhoods down. because they are the ones that get treated like human beings..........while the rest of use get treated like savages. dont be fooled my niggas. just because you have white friends dont mean shit............... youre still a NIGGER to these crackers and even your so called white friends.
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eye hope oakland go around and burn......nothing but white neighborhoods down. because they are the ones that get treated like human beings..........while the rest of use get treated like savages. dont be fooled my niggas. just because you have white friends dont mean shit............... youre still a NIGGER to these crackers and even your so called white friends.
what about your white wife?
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They just got the cop tonight, charged him with murder I believe. There was supposed to be a huge protest tommorow, the town was supposed to explode tommorow. They issued a no-bail warrant for his arrest this morning right in time. They know how bad it's getting, more and more people are getting involved everyday, if they didn't charge him shit would have hit the fan on some Rodney King shit. Now let's see if he gets convicted.... his sentencing will definitely be a big day.
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They just got the cop tonight, charged him with murder I believe. There was supposed to be a huge protest tommorow, the town was supposed to explode tommorow. They issued a no-bail warrant for his arrest this morning right in time. They know how bad it's getting, more and more people are getting involved everyday, if they didn't charge him shit would have hit the fan on some Rodney King shit. Now let's see if he gets convicted.... his sentencing will definitely be a big day.
i know that pig will opt for isolation but hopefully someone puts glass shards in his food.
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Former BART cop arrested on murder charge in Nevada
OAKLAND - Johannes Mehserle, the former BART police officer who shot and killed an unarmed man early New Year's Day, was arrested on a murder charge in Nevada today, officials confirmed.
Mehserle, 27, shot and killed Oscar Grant III, 22, at an Oakland BART station in the early morning of New Year's Day. The shooting has prompted massive protests, especially after videos of the incident surfaced.
Mehserle was being held in Douglas County, Nev., on a no-bail warrant, a law-enforcement official said.
Since he was arrested in Nevada, he will face an extradition hearing before returning to Alameda County, a process that could take at least a few days.
Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff was expected to discuss the arrest further on Wednesday.
Christopher Miller, Mehserle's Sacramento-based attorney, could not be reached for comment, but his office confirmed the arrest.
Mehserle had been moving from place to place in recent days as he faced numerous death threats. He was reportedly arrested without incident.
"The family will certainly be relieved that (Orloff) has made some effort to bring him to justice," said attorney John Burris, who is representing the family in a $25 million claim against BART. "This is terrific. This is a very important step in healing the community."
Repeated calls to BART police tonight were not returned.
Mehserle had given no comment either to BART investigators or Orloff's office following the incident in which cell phone videos appeared to show him shooting Grant as Grant lay facedown on the ground at the Fruitvale station.
Mehserle's resignation last week took away BART's ability to get a statement out of him, since he could no longer be fired for remaining silent.
Oakland's assistant police chief, Howard Jordan, said he hoped news of the arrest would help calm tensions among the more than 1,000 people who were expected to protest the shooting Wednesday.
"We're hoping that people act civilly and they take this recent action as a sign (Orloff) was committed to doing a job and moving forward with a complete, thorough and unbiased investigation," Jordan said.
Earlier today, Mayor Ron Dellums said that he understands the anger people feel after the shooting, but said taking that anger out on other people is an injustice in its own right.
"It's fundamentally contradictory to stand up for justice and then dispense injustice," Dellums said. "You can't operate on both planes. You can't walk both sides of the street."
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bO9KYgs13XY
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I think the officer should be charged and I think he should do time. And I really do think it was an accident. This wasn't Rodney King where it was the middle of the night with no one around. It was a crowded subway station with a lot of witnesses. Why would any cop be so stupid to kill someone in cold blood with that many people watching? I just don't think that it being a mistake makes it any more ok. People get drunk and accidentally kill people in car crashes all the time, but they get charged and convicted.
The police are a united group like any other group. Sure they get paid by the people to serve and protect but they are still a brotherhood that protects each other against the the outsiders. Oakland had something like 124 homicides last year, from what I've read. How many of those 124 in 2008 were young black men killed in cold blood by other black men? And how many of those that rioted or protested this would give up any of those that killed those young black men last year if they could? A lot of black people complain to the moon about what the police do but they themselves do and would do the exact same thing. If some 21 year old black thug kills another 21 year old black thug and you say nothing you aren't protecting anyone from the law of the oppressors. You are protecting lies from the truth and doing a greater disservice to your own community than any cop could ever do.
The problem is, with the distrust that exists between the Black community (and other minority communities) and the police department, what motivation would there be to work WITH the police to uphold supposed justice in your neighborhood? When you've grown up watching the police mistreat, harrass, abuse and even kill members of your own community...many times completely unwarranted, would you have ANYthing to do with them? As an outsider looking in, without the proper frame of reference its easy to judge. But the Black community (for good reason) does not trust the police. Yeah, Oakland as a city has one of the highest percentages of Black people in the country...so there is a lot of Black on Black crime. But those criminals, and much of a nuisance as they may be....are not police. They dont carry a badge, they dont pretend to be on the side of good, and they have no authority over everyday citizens. The police do. So its natural to have more hatred/ disgust/ etc. towards the police when they act like common criminals and are SUPPOSED to be the good guys (not to mention, paid by the very people who they kill).
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damn my homie works across the st from city hall an got sent home early cause of the riots haha
oh and i hope that mother fucker does life
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I think the officer should be charged and I think he should do time. And I really do think it was an accident. This wasn't Rodney King where it was the middle of the night with no one around. It was a crowded subway station with a lot of witnesses. Why would any cop be so stupid to kill someone in cold blood with that many people watching? I just don't think that it being a mistake makes it any more ok. People get drunk and accidentally kill people in car crashes all the time, but they get charged and convicted.
The police are a united group like any other group. Sure they get paid by the people to serve and protect but they are still a brotherhood that protects each other against the the outsiders. Oakland had something like 124 homicides last year, from what I've read. How many of those 124 in 2008 were young black men killed in cold blood by other black men? And how many of those that rioted or protested this would give up any of those that killed those young black men last year if they could? A lot of black people complain to the moon about what the police do but they themselves do and would do the exact same thing. If some 21 year old black thug kills another 21 year old black thug and you say nothing you aren't protecting anyone from the law of the oppressors. You are protecting lies from the truth and doing a greater disservice to your own community than any cop could ever do.
The problem is, with the distrust that exists between the Black community (and other minority communities) and the police department, what motivation would there be to work WITH the police to uphold supposed justice in your neighborhood? When you've grown up watching the police mistreat, harrass, abuse and even kill members of your own community...many times completely unwarranted, would you have ANYthing to do with them? As an outsider looking in, without the proper frame of reference its easy to judge. But the Black community (for good reason) does not trust the police. Yeah, Oakland as a city has one of the highest percentages of Black people in the country...so there is a lot of Black on Black crime. But those criminals, and much of a nuisance as they may be....are not police. They dont carry a badge, they dont pretend to be on the side of good, and they have no authority over everyday citizens. The police do. So its natural to have more hatred/ disgust/ etc. towards the police when they act like common criminals and are SUPPOSED to be the good guys (not to mention, paid by the very people who they kill).
I never said that blacks should rise up and start testifying against black murderers. I just said that they don't. And it's the same reason the police don't. They both protect each other from what they consider to be outsiders. I just pointed out the hypocrisy of it. Cops killing black men is nothing compared to black men killing black men in America and I don't need the proper frame of reference to point out the numbers.
As for your paid by the very people who they kill comment, I'd like to see the figures of tax dollars paid by the black men killed by police and see show much they really pay the police. Middle class America pays for the police, and the ghettos. And for the most part they aren't negatively affected by either.