West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: alcoolholic on March 23, 2009, 02:56:19 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/5zYjvQ7OtVc&hl=en&fs=1
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fuck this bullshit
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interesting shit. A few mates of mine was sailing across the Bass Strait in a yacht once and they said something huge nudged the boat from below and sent them all flying...then they saw this massive form move from under the boat away under the water.....it culdve been a whale but they weren't really sure about any of it.
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Dope shit, never heard about this before.
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this shit is awesome to watch huhuhu
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The oceans are crazy to think about the size of whats been unexplored. There has got to be some weird shit down there. Atlantis?
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fuck all this bullshit, just film those alien bitches already lol. these fucking simulations :P
interesting stuff though
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My grandfather told me about some crazy stuff that he saw when he was in the navy. He was in the Bermuda Triangle when all the sudden his instrument panels went all crazy and he said he felt a strong static electricity like feeling and a fireball flew out of the ocean into the sky.
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My grandfather told me about some crazy stuff that he saw when he was in the navy. He was in the Bermuda Triangle when all the sudden his instrument panels went all crazy and he said he felt a strong static electricity like feeling and a fireball flew out of the ocean into the sky.
There are so many interesting stories about the Bermuda Triangle. Def somethin to it. I'm sure there's lots of people with similar experiences that were in the Navy.
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I was reading something the other day that was saying a lot of the news stories about the bermuda triangle were fake. That could be on some cover-up type shit though.
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I was reading something the other day that was saying a lot of the news stories about the bermuda triangle were fake. That could be on some cover-up type shit though.
yea imo there is some shit that goes down there, or else there wouldnt be stories or missing people and ships.
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LOL..wtf?
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someone i know thinks shes been abducted by aliens before :-\ and even tells the story around her 9 year old son :-\
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someone i know thinks shes been abducted by aliens before :-\ and even tells the story around her 9 year old son :-\
How did she describe her experience?
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she said she got taken up in a UFO, and they did all sorts of experiments on her. no probes, and she thinks they could control her mind and she was calm the whole time. She said like 4 hours passed rather quickly. And she actually saw the aliens.
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I believe.
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she said she got taken up in a UFO, and they did all sorts of experiments on her. no probes, and she thinks they could control her mind and she was calm the whole time. She said like 4 hours passed rather quickly. And she actually saw the aliens.
Did she describe them as humanlike or were they like the "grays"?
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I think those of you who do think they are thinking outside of the box, aren't looking at this logically. Now let's suppose that there were aliens or what have you and it was oh so apparent to us, why would the government cover up something like that? the answer clearly can not be because they don't want to alarm the public, after all, the method of whipping the general public into a frenzy, into a state of fear, alerted paranoia that terrorists are going to strike has now become such a common place, that we don't even talk about it anymore it's become a normality.
So what is clear to me is that this strikes much closer to home, I watched an interesting Bill Cooper youtube video in which he raises this very subject and focuses in on the fact that for over 50 years we have been conditioned to accept that aliens are roaming around the earths sky's. We have been conditioned to react with the notion"that's not human" but the idea that something isn't human particularly in relation to it's looks, does not mean it was not created by humans. However the very letters UFO immediately create images of something out of this world.
Now we know the elite of the world are pure evil, we also know that to a large degree even those that rubbish the notion of manufactured terrorism know all about it. So therefore this greatly limits the ability of that cabal government to not necessarily pull it off although the police state does make that harder to sell to the public, but increasingly it's no longer having the same impact. To put this into context, there are some who would love mass death, it hasn't stopped them in the past and the way they see it is they are doing their best for humanity and therfore mass murder is a necessary evil to achieve their aims.
Therefore if these aren't UFOS and in fact they are a product of many years of secret testing and research which has created aircraft drones which do indeed look like nothing else we have witnessed and behave like nothing we have experienced before, then we need to quickly rethink the paradigms. This is clearly at the very least feasible, after all the whole point of secret testing is to keep the wraps on any given study, then don't think for a moment that those bastards would not and have not entertained the idea of using these "UFOS" as a means of creating the visions created by H G Wells/ If you recall war of the worlds for instance, in which eventually the earth would would be saved and the threat wiped out, then the aftershock would be so great and the scars so deep that it would leave the world in such a turbulent monumental mess, that all of their plans could take shape.
I hasten to add, I am not saying this is going to happen, more so it's what could happen. I also think that it's yet another example of the misunderstanding gap that exists from not reading books because it's not surprising to say that so much of what was mentioned in science fiction books some 70 plus years ago, is now unfolding, or in the midst of unfolding. None of that has happened by accident, in the same vein that George Orwell was not some magical prophet, he wasn't a visionary, he was a guy that had worked within the bowels of the intelligence services and was privy to the blueprint which had been designed for the world.
My best guess if this is the case, would lead to think that the reason why the mainstream media have now been given the green light to document this, to report it a conventional manner, is because they feel the public has now bought into this. There are lots of empirical pieces which hold up that this might be the case, but none as bizarre and creepy as to when Regan suddenly went completely outside of the theme of his speech and suddenly starting talking about if there was a threat from outside this world, then it would bring the people of the world together.
Here is another telling quote
Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
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The Bermuda Triangle has a much stronger magnetic pull that leads to fucking up peoples electrical signals and things of this sort. And this strong magnetic pull leads to unusually large waves that hit unexpectedly, the waves generated in this triangle from these extraordinary magnetic presence is sometimes 70 to a 100 feet tall, which often hit without warning. This magnetic pull also affect planes and such passing over the Triangle.
If the exogenous intelligent life wanted to come and 'take us over' or as some of you are putting 'save us', then they would not be examining bullshit people with probes and shit. They would definitely know by now what the limits to our strengths are and attacked us by now since they must have far superior technology to get to us from millions of light years away while we are still trying to visit planets fairly close to our vicinity.
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:sshh:
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The Bermuda Triangle has a much stronger magnetic pull that leads to fucking up peoples electrical signals and things of this sort. And this strong magnetic pull leads to unusually large waves that hit unexpectedly, the waves generated in this triangle from these extraordinary magnetic presence is sometimes 70 to a 100 feet tall, which often hit without warning. This magnetic pull also affect planes and such passing over the Triangle.
If the exogenous intelligent life wanted to come and 'take us over' or as some of you are putting 'save us', then they would not be examining bullshit people with probes and shit. They would definitely know by now what the limits to our strengths are and attacked us by now since they must have far superior technology to get to us from millions of light years away while we are still trying to visit planets fairly close to our vicinity.
i would think aliens would be completey different than our perspective of them, if they have the technology that travels ALOT faster than light speed, than they must be alot more civiliized or if they wanted to take over the world theyd juz do the same thing the politicians do to the people, trick them.
lol it might be even possible that theyve been pulling the strings throught human history. we'll never know
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The Bermuda Triangle has a much stronger magnetic pull that leads to fucking up peoples electrical signals and things of this sort. And this strong magnetic pull leads to unusually large waves that hit unexpectedly, the waves generated in this triangle from these extraordinary magnetic presence is sometimes 70 to a 100 feet tall, which often hit without warning. This magnetic pull also affect planes and such passing over the Triangle.
If the exogenous intelligent life wanted to come and 'take us over' or as some of you are putting 'save us', then they would not be examining bullshit people with probes and shit. They would definitely know by now what the limits to our strengths are and attacked us by now since they must have far superior technology to get to us from millions of light years away while we are still trying to visit planets fairly close to our vicinity.
i would think aliens would be completey different than our perspective of them, if they have the technology that travels ALOT faster than light speed, than they must be alot more civiliized or if they wanted to take over the world theyd juz do the same thing the politicians do to the people, trick them.
lol it might be even possible that theyve been pulling the strings throught human history. we'll never know
I understand your connection between civilization and technology but you can not be more wrong "faster than light technology = more civilized.' Yes, from our perspective civilization lead to better technological advances i.e atomic bomb. This bomb is the most uncivilized devastating weapon of all time (on our planet of course) that came from advancing civilizations. The atomic bomb is proof that advanced civilization led to something uncivil so better technology does not necessarily mean more civilized.
Same goes for your second connection, "thedy juz do the same thing the politicians do" Do not tell me that you think our politicians are more civilized like some autologous more intelligent life from a different planet millions of light years away. If our politicians were more 'civilized' they'd be no/less wars.
It might be even possible that intelligent life outside of earth does not exist, we might find out/might never find out.
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The Bermuda Triangle has a much stronger magnetic pull that leads to fucking up peoples electrical signals and things of this sort. And this strong magnetic pull leads to unusually large waves that hit unexpectedly, the waves generated in this triangle from these extraordinary magnetic presence is sometimes 70 to a 100 feet tall, which often hit without warning. This magnetic pull also affect planes and such passing over the Triangle.
If the exogenous intelligent life wanted to come and 'take us over' or as some of you are putting 'save us', then they would not be examining bullshit people with probes and shit. They would definitely know by now what the limits to our strengths are and attacked us by now since they must have far superior technology to get to us from millions of light years away while we are still trying to visit planets fairly close to our vicinity.
i would think aliens would be completey different than our perspective of them, if they have the technology that travels ALOT faster than light speed, than they must be alot more civiliized or if they wanted to take over the world theyd juz do the same thing the politicians do to the people, trick them.
lol it might be even possible that theyve been pulling the strings throught human history. we'll never know
I understand your connection between civilization and technology but you can not be more wrong "faster than light technology = more civilized.' Yes, from our perspective civilization lead to better technological advances i.e atomic bomb. This bomb is the most uncivilized devastating weapon of all time (on our planet of course) that came from advancing civilizations. The atomic bomb is proof that advanced civilization led to something uncivil so better technology does not necessarily mean more civilized.
Same goes for your second connection, "thedy juz do the same thing the politicians do" Do not tell me that you think our politicians are more civilized like some autologous more intelligent life from a different planet millions of light years away. If our politicians were more 'civilized' they'd be no/less wars.
It might be even possible that intelligent life outside of earth does not exist, we might find out/might never find out.
yea i get where ur gettin at, but men do get more civilized as technology advances and time passes, i dont believe either that our world is civilized at all, but it does progress through time and seems like technology juz goes with it. i mean the aliens have to be hundreds if not thousands (mayb even millions) order as a race.
i didnt mean by war and shit like that, but just the method of "tricking people" is rather more civilized (not saying that it is a completely civlized method)than to infrom the human race of earth and cause alotta fear and riot. i mean if its been working on by our politicians than why come up with a more "civilized way" if it works. i mean im sure before they make contact with us theyd observe and study us for a while.
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The Bermuda Triangle has a much stronger magnetic pull that leads to fucking up peoples electrical signals and things of this sort. And this strong magnetic pull leads to unusually large waves that hit unexpectedly, the waves generated in this triangle from these extraordinary magnetic presence is sometimes 70 to a 100 feet tall, which often hit without warning. This magnetic pull also affect planes and such passing over the Triangle.
If the exogenous intelligent life wanted to come and 'take us over' or as some of you are putting 'save us', then they would not be examining bullshit people with probes and shit. They would definitely know by now what the limits to our strengths are and attacked us by now since they must have far superior technology to get to us from millions of light years away while we are still trying to visit planets fairly close to our vicinity.
i would think aliens would be completey different than our perspective of them, if they have the technology that travels ALOT faster than light speed, than they must be alot more civiliized or if they wanted to take over the world theyd juz do the same thing the politicians do to the people, trick them.
lol it might be even possible that theyve been pulling the strings throught human history. we'll never know
I understand your connection between civilization and technology but you can not be more wrong "faster than light technology = more civilized.' Yes, from our perspective civilization lead to better technological advances i.e atomic bomb. This bomb is the most uncivilized devastating weapon of all time (on our planet of course) that came from advancing civilizations. The atomic bomb is proof that advanced civilization led to something uncivil so better technology does not necessarily mean more civilized.
Same goes for your second connection, "thedy juz do the same thing the politicians do" Do not tell me that you think our politicians are more civilized like some autologous more intelligent life from a different planet millions of light years away. If our politicians were more 'civilized' they'd be no/less wars.
It might be even possible that intelligent life outside of earth does not exist, we might find out/might never find out.
yea i get where ur gettin at, but men do get more civilized as technology advances and time passes, i dont believe either that our world is civilized at all, but it does progress through time and seems like technology juz goes with it. i mean the aliens have to be hundreds if not thousands (mayb even millions) order as a race.
i didnt mean by war and shit like that, but just the method of "tricking people" is rather more civilized (not saying that it is a completely civlized method)than to infrom the human race of earth and cause alotta fear and riot. i mean if its been working on by our politicians than why come up with a more "civilized way" if it works. i mean im sure before they make contact with us theyd observe and study us for a while.
You think that our world is not civilized however, you believe that men get more civilized over time and technological progression? I hope that you do understand that a much older race does not mean technological superiority when two races are put together. Just look at our own history. Britain was imperialising while most of Micronesia still resorted to cannibalism. I liked your comment on looking at aliens from a different perspective than the perspective with which we look at our own race but in this quote you are looking at both races from the same perspective.
For all we know that extraterrestrial intelligent life became more advanced in 1 999 years than we became in the past 25 000 years. But this is taking into account that the original form of both our races are put onto the same plane because 1999 years from now, I can tell you that the human race will have more technological advances than the human race in 2009 has had for the past 20 000 years. Hell, the human race has become far more advanced in the last 50 years than the past 20 000 years. However the alien life I am referring to became in 1999 years from their start point in contrast to what we will in 4008 (2009 +1999), so all together in took us approx 69 000 years to become what these aliens did in 1999 years. So, age does not mean more technological advances as these aliens i am hypothesizing evolve at much faster rates than we. And they became a much technologically superior race in a much shorter time frame than we. Age = means nothing.
Yes, tricking people is more civilized as it involves more brain functions than hitting people in the head with cave men sticks to make them listen to you. We are a complex society, so i also agree that they would study us before making contact but if they themselves are a far greater society then they should have no problems breaking our behaviors down to a science as humans are animals at the core of things. But that whole making contact thing is what makes me not believe in aliens as they still are not making contact I don't believe they exist until we catch them or they catch us.
Though i hope you guys understand, that if tomorrow a NASA probe found bacteria on mars, it would be headline news as that bacteria on mars is considered alien life, but i obviously am speaking of high intelligence life when referring to 'aliens' in my hypothesis above. On a side note, the NASA probe on mars has found bacteria though it is fossilized bacteria which indicates that there indeed was alien life on Mars once...
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the bermuda triangle is the entrance to the centre of the earth 8)
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Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
Well it could also be that there are aliens and they are benevolent, however the super-secret cabal of ruling elites has more to gain by portraying them as malevolent.
When was the last time you saw a movie with good, intelligent, enlightened aliens?
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Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
Well it could also be that there are aliens and they are benevolent, however the super-secret cabal of ruling elites has more to gain by portraying them as malevolent.
When was the last time you saw a movie with good, intelligent, enlightened aliens?
Agreed.. If a benevolent race made contact with us than it would break the chains of control over us. Alot of people theorise that the elite may use backengineered alien technology to propagate some sort of false flag to make people go up in arms against these "invaders". There is a quote in the bible that sums it up perfectly. Read up around the part of the "Great Deception".
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she said she got taken up in a UFO, and they did all sorts of experiments on her. no probes, and she thinks they could control her mind and she was calm the whole time. She said like 4 hours passed rather quickly. And she actually saw the aliens.
Did she describe them as humanlike or were they like the "grays"?
man i dont remember i'd have to ask her, and i dont want to go down that route again :-\
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I think those of you who do think they are thinking outside of the box, aren't looking at this logically. Now let's suppose that there were aliens or what have you and it was oh so apparent to us, why would the government cover up something like that? the answer clearly can not be because they don't want to alarm the public, after all, the method of whipping the general public into a frenzy, into a state of fear, alerted paranoia that terrorists are going to strike has now become such a common place, that we don't even talk about it anymore it's become a normality.
So what is clear to me is that this strikes much closer to home, I watched an interesting Bill Cooper youtube video in which he raises this very subject and focuses in on the fact that for over 50 years we have been conditioned to accept that aliens are roaming around the earths sky's. We have been conditioned to react with the notion"that's not human" but the idea that something isn't human particularly in relation to it's looks, does not mean it was not created by humans. However the very letters UFO immediately create images of something out of this world.
Now we know the elite of the world are pure evil, we also know that to a large degree even those that rubbish the notion of manufactured terrorism know all about it. So therefore this greatly limits the ability of that cabal government to not necessarily pull it off although the police state does make that harder to sell to the public, but increasingly it's no longer having the same impact. To put this into context, there are some who would love mass death, it hasn't stopped them in the past and the way they see it is they are doing their best for humanity and therfore mass murder is a necessary evil to achieve their aims.
Therefore if these aren't UFOS and in fact they are a product of many years of secret testing and research which has created aircraft drones which do indeed look like nothing else we have witnessed and behave like nothing we have experienced before, then we need to quickly rethink the paradigms. This is clearly at the very least feasible, after all the whole point of secret testing is to keep the wraps on any given study, then don't think for a moment that those bastards would not and have not entertained the idea of using these "UFOS" as a means of creating the visions created by H G Wells/ If you recall war of the worlds for instance, in which eventually the earth would would be saved and the threat wiped out, then the aftershock would be so great and the scars so deep that it would leave the world in such a turbulent monumental mess, that all of their plans could take shape.
I hasten to add, I am not saying this is going to happen, more so it's what could happen. I also think that it's yet another example of the misunderstanding gap that exists from not reading books because it's not surprising to say that so much of what was mentioned in science fiction books some 70 plus years ago, is now unfolding, or in the midst of unfolding. None of that has happened by accident, in the same vein that George Orwell was not some magical prophet, he wasn't a visionary, he was a guy that had worked within the bowels of the intelligence services and was privy to the blueprint which had been designed for the world.
My best guess if this is the case, would lead to think that the reason why the mainstream media have now been given the green light to document this, to report it a conventional manner, is because they feel the public has now bought into this. There are lots of empirical pieces which hold up that this might be the case, but none as bizarre and creepy as to when Regan suddenly went completely outside of the theme of his speech and suddenly starting talking about if there was a threat from outside this world, then it would bring the people of the world together.
Here is another telling quote
Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
They don't admit their existence because once the cat's outta the bag, the powers that be lose their power. Think about this - Mainstream science looks at only four fields of energy. You have electrical, magnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear force. Those four forces are believed to comprise the entire universe in terms of its energy — more when you get into Russia and a lot of alternative Western research as well.
But mainstream science in Russia has identified another field that they call the torsion field. Now, in Western science you do have a torsion field. In the Western model, it is just essentially some of the spinning movement that happens within an atom.
But the Russians have decided that this spinning movement [also] travels between atoms — it doesn’t just stay in the atom. And that’s actually this whole new field, which seems to be more coupled up with gravity than it is with electromagnetic energy.
There’s been a lot of scientific studies that have shown some really compelling stuff to prove that this energy not only exists, [but we can build working technologies out of it.] In fact, there’s a guy in Germany named Dr. Hartmut Müller who has invented a cell-phone that runs on torsion fields rather than electromagnetic energy.
That means you could be in concrete bunkers miles underground and get a cell-phone call just as clear as if you’re on the surface. And because these fields don’t travel at light speed — they travel effectively instantaneously — you could be hanging out at the edge of the solar system and talk to somebody in real time with no delay.
If this energy is tapped, it's free and limitless. All the sudden you have little to no need for the traditional sources of energy on our planet. So think what this means for corporations, take pharmaceuticals. They don't cure anything - there's no money in that. They come up with a pill you have to take everyday so you are a life long customer. They don't want to admit that there is limitless energy supply because once they do, they don't have the $ and without that they have no control.
Of course, TV & Hollywood have shown us actual real ET stuff mixed in with extremely crazy cooky shit to make you think that if there are indeed aliens, they are scary and evil. There are evil ones, but there are also benevolent ones. And all are similar looking to us on Earth, not mutated crazy monsters.
So while you're arguing that if there were ET's the govt would acknowledge them and use that as a control mechanism. The problem with that is this - once the general public acknowledges the existance of ET's, we will certainly have much more encounters w/ them. The reason we don't have more now is because they don't impose on our free will. It's kind of universal law - love for self, for others, for everything. No manipulation, no negativity. And as a society, we haven't yet showed that we are ready. They watch us from far away and see that we can't even get along with ourselves, how in the hell are we going to mesh with the inter-galactic community. They view us as little children at this point, and I don't blame them. And after we start having standard contact, people will realize that many are very loving and sympathetic, and want to help us. They are vastly technologically superior to us. Once the cat's outta the bag, the establishment's power is gone.
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The Bermuda Triangle has a much stronger magnetic pull that leads to fucking up peoples electrical signals and things of this sort. And this strong magnetic pull leads to unusually large waves that hit unexpectedly, the waves generated in this triangle from these extraordinary magnetic presence is sometimes 70 to a 100 feet tall, which often hit without warning. This magnetic pull also affect planes and such passing over the Triangle.
If the exogenous intelligent life wanted to come and 'take us over' or as some of you are putting 'save us', then they would not be examining bullshit people with probes and shit. They would definitely know by now what the limits to our strengths are and attacked us by now since they must have far superior technology to get to us from millions of light years away while we are still trying to visit planets fairly close to our vicinity.
They do know our strengths and weaknesses. But you have to understand something - they came from the same creator as us. Therefore, they view us as their sibling and want to help us evolve past negativity. They know that we all make up a portion of "God" and so therefore by hurting each other, we are truly hurting ourselves. Nuclear bombs have been launched before, only to fall to the ground completely devoid of any radioactive energy. Just a dummy. There are things like this occuring that lend to the fact that they are watching and making sure we don't fuck shit up too much. Essentially, they will not let us fuck Earth up too bad.
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I don't know if they will let us die or not, but I agree with alot of what you just said. I think that any alien species that could visit us would have, hopefully atleast, advanced much past our current emotional level. But I also worry that they may view us as we view a ant. How much regard do we have for their lives. True we may be the dominate species on this planet but that may be a joke to a form of aliens. I mean we visited another celestial body a few years back and the first god damn thing we did was plant a flag!
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. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.
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I think those of you who do think they are thinking outside of the box, aren't looking at this logically. Now let's suppose that there were aliens or what have you and it was oh so apparent to us, why would the government cover up something like that? the answer clearly can not be because they don't want to alarm the public, after all, the method of whipping the general public into a frenzy, into a state of fear, alerted paranoia that terrorists are going to strike has now become such a common place, that we don't even talk about it anymore it's become a normality.
So what is clear to me is that this strikes much closer to home, I watched an interesting Bill Cooper youtube video in which he raises this very subject and focuses in on the fact that for over 50 years we have been conditioned to accept that aliens are roaming around the earths sky's. We have been conditioned to react with the notion"that's not human" but the idea that something isn't human particularly in relation to it's looks, does not mean it was not created by humans. However the very letters UFO immediately create images of something out of this world.
Now we know the elite of the world are pure evil, we also know that to a large degree even those that rubbish the notion of manufactured terrorism know all about it. So therefore this greatly limits the ability of that cabal government to not necessarily pull it off although the police state does make that harder to sell to the public, but increasingly it's no longer having the same impact. To put this into context, there are some who would love mass death, it hasn't stopped them in the past and the way they see it is they are doing their best for humanity and therfore mass murder is a necessary evil to achieve their aims.
Therefore if these aren't UFOS and in fact they are a product of many years of secret testing and research which has created aircraft drones which do indeed look like nothing else we have witnessed and behave like nothing we have experienced before, then we need to quickly rethink the paradigms. This is clearly at the very least feasible, after all the whole point of secret testing is to keep the wraps on any given study, then don't think for a moment that those bastards would not and have not entertained the idea of using these "UFOS" as a means of creating the visions created by H G Wells/ If you recall war of the worlds for instance, in which eventually the earth would would be saved and the threat wiped out, then the aftershock would be so great and the scars so deep that it would leave the world in such a turbulent monumental mess, that all of their plans could take shape.
I hasten to add, I am not saying this is going to happen, more so it's what could happen. I also think that it's yet another example of the misunderstanding gap that exists from not reading books because it's not surprising to say that so much of what was mentioned in science fiction books some 70 plus years ago, is now unfolding, or in the midst of unfolding. None of that has happened by accident, in the same vein that George Orwell was not some magical prophet, he wasn't a visionary, he was a guy that had worked within the bowels of the intelligence services and was privy to the blueprint which had been designed for the world.
My best guess if this is the case, would lead to think that the reason why the mainstream media have now been given the green light to document this, to report it a conventional manner, is because they feel the public has now bought into this. There are lots of empirical pieces which hold up that this might be the case, but none as bizarre and creepy as to when Regan suddenly went completely outside of the theme of his speech and suddenly starting talking about if there was a threat from outside this world, then it would bring the people of the world together.
Here is another telling quote
Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
They don't admit their existence because once the cat's outta the bag, the powers that be lose their power. Think about this - Mainstream science looks at only four fields of energy. You have electrical, magnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear force. Those four forces are believed to comprise the entire universe in terms of its energy — more when you get into Russia and a lot of alternative Western research as well.
But mainstream science in Russia has identified another field that they call the torsion field. Now, in Western science you do have a torsion field. In the Western model, it is just essentially some of the spinning movement that happens within an atom.
But the Russians have decided that this spinning movement [also] travels between atoms — it doesn’t just stay in the atom. And that’s actually this whole new field, which seems to be more coupled up with gravity than it is with electromagnetic energy.
There’s been a lot of scientific studies that have shown some really compelling stuff to prove that this energy not only exists, [but we can build working technologies out of it.] In fact, there’s a guy in Germany named Dr. Hartmut Müller who has invented a cell-phone that runs on torsion fields rather than electromagnetic energy.
That means you could be in concrete bunkers miles underground and get a cell-phone call just as clear as if you’re on the surface. And because these fields don’t travel at light speed — they travel effectively instantaneously — you could be hanging out at the edge of the solar system and talk to somebody in real time with no delay.
If this energy is tapped, it's free and limitless. All the sudden you have little to no need for the traditional sources of energy on our planet. So think what this means for corporations, take pharmaceuticals. They don't cure anything - there's no money in that. They come up with a pill you have to take everyday so you are a life long customer. They don't want to admit that there is limitless energy supply because once they do, they don't have the $ and without that they have no control.
Of course, TV & Hollywood have shown us actual real ET stuff mixed in with extremely crazy cooky shit to make you think that if there are indeed aliens, they are scary and evil. There are evil ones, but there are also benevolent ones. And all are similar looking to us on Earth, not mutated crazy monsters.
So while you're arguing that if there were ET's the govt would acknowledge them and use that as a control mechanism. The problem with that is this - once the general public acknowledges the existance of ET's, we will certainly have much more encounters w/ them. The reason we don't have more now is because they don't impose on our free will. It's kind of universal law - love for self, for others, for everything. No manipulation, no negativity. And as a society, we haven't yet showed that we are ready. They watch us from far away and see that we can't even get along with ourselves, how in the hell are we going to mesh with the inter-galactic community. They view us as little children at this point, and I don't blame them. And after we start having standard contact, people will realize that many are very loving and sympathetic, and want to help us. They are vastly technologically superior to us. Once the cat's outta the bag, the establishment's power is gone.
I agree with pretty much everything you just said. I have been studying nanotechnology and in the area of new physics just out of interest. There is an interesting theory called "Zero Point Energy". The theory is that you give a superconductive material a certain vibrational frequency. The higher the vibrational frequency goes the less mass the superconductor becomes. If the vibration becomes great enough it will eventually hit a zero mass point (and becomes only visible in infared spectrum). At the zero mass point it literally takes very little energy to go speeds faster than the speed of light. As for physical bodies not being able to take the g-forces of that type of travel. There has been experiments that inside a electromagnetic field alot of the gravitational effects are not felt.
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. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.
Read up on the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk. We've reverse engineered tech from Roswell and did some pretty amazing stuff.
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the bermuda triangle is the entrance to the centre of the earth 8)
nall the 5th dimension ...i know this old dude who is always talkin bout the bermuda triangle and was in the navy...said they were trained off the eastern coast of florida...its certain spots they couldnt go....the area the bermuda triangle covers was one of the spots...
that told him right that the shit is real...
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Watched part of the Abyss on TV this weekend. That's some trippy but corny stuff right there.
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. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.
Read up on the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk. We've reverse engineered tech from Roswell and did some pretty amazing stuff.
Roswell happened in 1947 while the Philidelphia Experiment happened in 1943. So there is no way the Roswell stuff was reverse engineered to be used in the Philidelphia project. Can not take all of these events for any face value except Roswell, as it is the one event with several witnesses, whose reports were consistent and everything to do with other experiments/events, the reports from those involved were fairly incosistent. Still these things do not prove God or even Aliens really.
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In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence.
With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
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man lets say there are UFO's on earth now... imagine if the world found out we're being studied just like we study fucking baboons...
people would go nuts, everything we have ever known would be flipped upside down. the effects would be cataclismic.
and scrolling up the page, some of you post some big ass essays :o
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. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.
Read up on the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk. We've reverse engineered tech from Roswell and did some pretty amazing stuff.
Roswell happened in 1947 while the Philidelphia Experiment happened in 1943. So there is no way the Roswell stuff was reverse engineered to be used in the Philidelphia project. Can not take all of these events for any face value except Roswell, as it is the one event with several witnesses, whose reports were consistent and everything to do with other experiments/events, the reports from those involved were fairly incosistent. Still these things do not prove God or even Aliens really.
The PE obviously wasn't, but we have indeed reverse engineered lots of tech from Roswell...Do you believe crop circles are man made?
Here's a story about a 90 year old man who just recently answered some questions about Roswell and said there were indeed aliens:
Roswell Fireman Confesses-It WAS a Flying Saucer by Anthony Bragalia
Friday, March 06, 2009
A firefighter who was with the Roswell Fire Department in 1947 has confirmed that the mysterious crash in the New Mexico desert that Summer was in fact of an unearthly craft!
The firefighter, now age 90, related stunning information to this author in a lengthy interview conducted recently. Respected Roswell author Kevin Randle also talked with the involved fireman to confirm the details of his story.
Some time ago I located the son of Rue Chrisman. Rue was the Fire Chief for the Roswell Fire Department in 1947, passing in 1981 at age 98. Chrisman's son explained to me that he knew that the town's Fire Department was somehow involved in the crash event. But the son was sparse in his conversation, not really wishing to elaborate. When pressed, the son said, "It did happen. There was a big coverup. The crash was real." I asked him how he knew of this, he paused and said, "I knew too many who knew."
I then asked him if any Roswell Firemen from 1947 are still alive. He replied that there was still "one left." He only mentioned the surviving fireman's surname as "Smith" and that one of his family members attends the same church as the involved fireman. Working with Kevin Randle, we identified and located the elderly gentleman and sought his testimony.
When reached, the Fireman was somewhat hesitant to discuss the matter. But after some "small talk" he warmed up to discussion. In a far-ranging conversation, the Fireman related these incredible details:
- An intimidating Colonel from Roswell Army Air Field visited the Roswell Fire Department immediately after the crash. The Colonel explained to the fireman who were at the department that day that an "unknown object from someplace else" had crashed in the desert outside Roswell.
The Colonel warned that no one was to speak about the event to anyone ever. He also commanded them that nobody was to go out to the site or respond to any inquiries about the event. He explained that "everything was being handled by the military."
- Dan Dwyer, another Roswell Fire Department firefighter, did manage to go out to see the crash site, defying the Colonels orders. He confirms some of the details that Dan Dwyer's daughter, Frankie Rowe, has related in numerous interviews over the years. Frankie maintains that her father was able to view the craft and its occupants.
- Dan related to him that the area surrounding the crash was secured and cordoned by armed guards. Firemen went out there on their own volition, not as a "department." The Fireman did not want to talk too much about Dan Dwyer and Frankie Rowe though.
- The crash was of a craft not from Earth. The Fireman explained that it was not a balloon or any type of military experiment. He said that it was a "UFO."
When I said to him that the term "UFO" was not used back then... he said it was "unidentified- a flying saucer."
I asked him how he knew this and he stated that he was certain it was because of "what I was told at the time it happened." He explained that the Colonel did not know what the craft was or from where it came... and that there was great concern over the situation.
- The Roswell City Manager knew about the event and came into the Fire Department to personally and forcefully order the department to say nothing of the crash. Although the Fireman could not recall the City Manager's name at the time, I knew who it was.
When I mentioned the name "C.M. Woodbury" to him, he said that did seem to be the name. As it happens, C.M. Woodbury would have been a very intimidating individual with whom to reckon. This is because C.M. Woodbury was known as the "Iron Major" - a decorated War vet of the notoriously effective 752nd Tank Battallion. Woodbury was also very close friends with Butch Blanchard, the Roswell Army Air Field base Commander.
- The Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) base Fire Department was heavily involved in the crash recovery. The Fireman explained that "this is where the confusion comes from." The Fire Department that was most heavily involved in the crash retrieval was not so much the city fire department but the base's own Fire Department. He asserted that the RAAF firemen "knew the most" about the event. He was unfortunately unable to recall the names of these firemen.
- The Roswell Sheriff's Department was engaged in the coverup of the crash. The Fireman confirmed that Deputy Tommy Thompson was someone he knew at the Sherrif's office who was told to "keep the quiet."
- When asked how he "dealt with the fact that a craft from another world had crashed near Roswell," the Fireman replied that they had no idea what the implications were, "we just didn't really ever think about those kind of things at that time, but I do now."
The Fireman's testimony is nothing short of amazing. It confirms the unknown nature of the Roswell crash in 1947. It is, however, testimony. I appreciate the difficulties with "testimony." Testimony includes utterances that are presented as evidence for the claims they express. There is an inherent problem with all testimony. The speaker's reliability and sincerity are supported only by words rather than documents, photographs or other physical evidence. I appreciate that the Fireman's words are not sufficient to justify the belief that the crash at Roswell was extraterrestrial.
However, when testimony is given by an individual who is in fact who he says he is and who did not come forward but instead was "found," we should pay attention to that testimony. And the truth of the event does not depend on taking the speaker's word alone as evidence of truth.
But the Fireman's testimony is of special importance because he has never come forward publicly before with his story and he has no apparent reason or motivation to lie.
The Fireman's full name will not be released until his death. He is in the last years of life, living out his days peacefully with close family. Author Kevin Randle also talked with the Fireman after I did, and agrees that a barrage of calls and contacts to the elderly man by skeptics and others would be a disservice to an old man.
It is said that when a man becomes a Fireman, his greatest act of bravery has been accomplished. In this case though, the old Fireman's greatest act of bravery was to tell what he knew about the Roswell event for the sake of history and truth.
permanent link: http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009/firemanconfesses.html
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
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In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence.
With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
Just like the existence of Satan, so i can go shootup my school and claim that satan possessed me and made me do it. The court of law would have to believe me and find me innocent as there are huge amounts of objective/subjective/documented historical/cultural evidence on demonic possessions to acquit me.
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story.
And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com?
Do you believe crop circles are man made?
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In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence.
With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
Just like the existence of Satan, so i can go shootup my school and claim that satan possessed me and made me do it. The court of law would have to believe me and find me innocent as there are huge amounts of objective/subjective/documented historical/cultural evidence on demonic possessions to acquit me.
Satan can't posses you unless you allow him to. So therefore, it's still you that did it even if you were possessed. Besides, you'd have to have everyone in your school witness that you were indeed possessed by the devil in order to get not guilty. Only under those circumstances would the parallel that you drew actually hold merit.
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story.
And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com?
Do you believe crop circles are man made?
Where did I mention foxnews.com? Although foxnews.com is one news source that I personally recommend you should not look at for accurate non-bias information on anything. I've read some things on crop circles but my knowledge on them is not as extensive enough for me to comment on.
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In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence.
With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
Just like the existence of Satan, so i can go shootup my school and claim that satan possessed me and made me do it. The court of law would have to believe me and find me innocent as there are huge amounts of objective/subjective/documented historical/cultural evidence on demonic possessions to acquit me.
Satan can't posses you unless you allow him to. So therefore, it's still you that did it even if you were possessed. Besides, you'd have to have everyone in your school witness that you were indeed possessed by the devil in order to get not guilty. Only under those circumstances would the parallel that you drew actually hold merit.
There have been lots of documented religious evidence where Satan posses an individual without the individual's consent. And not everyone in the school has to witness to make someone not guilty. Thats just bottomline absurd because not everyone in the school will witness the shooting. That's like saying that Roswell did not happen because only 6 out of the approx 8000 living there witnessed the crash. Since, everyone living in Roswell did not witness the crash, it does not hold merit.
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story.
And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com?
Do you believe crop circles are man made?
Where did I mention foxnews.com? Although foxnews.com is one news source that I personally recommend you should not look at for accurate non-bias information on anything. I've read some things on crop circles but my knowledge on them is not as extensive enough for me to comment on.
Ok, where do you recommend I go for accurate information about UFO's then? You're quick to criticize my sources so I guess you know better ones?
Info on crop circles...No way these were made by man in just a few hours overnight.
http://www.youtube.com/v/_KoR2t-iM9k
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story.
And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com?
Do you believe crop circles are man made?
Where did I mention foxnews.com? Although foxnews.com is one news source that I personally recommend you should not look at for accurate non-bias information on anything. I've read some things on crop circles but my knowledge on them is not as extensive enough for me to comment on.
Ok, where do you recommend I go for accurate information about UFO's then? You're quick to criticize my sources so I guess you know better ones?
Info on crop circles...No way these were made by man in just a few hours overnight.
http://www.youtube.com/v/_KoR2t-iM9k
Any source that has not a conspiracist/schizo feel to it. You come across as pretty logical at times, so I do not see why you have problems distinguishing bias from non-bias. And i never claimed that those crop circles were made by man overnight?
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story.
And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com?
Do you believe crop circles are man made?
Where did I mention foxnews.com? Although foxnews.com is one news source that I personally recommend you should not look at for accurate non-bias information on anything. I've read some things on crop circles but my knowledge on them is not as extensive enough for me to comment on.
Ok, where do you recommend I go for accurate information about UFO's then? You're quick to criticize my sources so I guess you know better ones?
Info on crop circles...No way these were made by man in just a few hours overnight.
http://www.youtube.com/v/_KoR2t-iM9k
Any source that has not a conspiracist/schizo feel to it. You come across as pretty logical at times, so I do not see why you have problems distinguishing bias from non-bias. And i never claimed that those crop circles were made by man overnight?
I completely understand bias, and I know you didn't say the circles were made over night. What I was doing by posting that is a few different things. First, I believe in UFO's / ET's through a lot of my own and others findings. I think these crop circles in these vids are 100% legit, and I wanted you to have a look since you admitted you weren't that familiar. I thought it would be a good starting point and pretty good evidence to support that there are indeed aliens. A lot of sites / blogs that I visit share a similar view to me, which is why I reference them. I don't fully cosign every statement they make of course, I verify my info. It seems you are skeptical on their existance (which I was for nearly my entire life) and I want to show you the light.
If you want to do more research, check these vids:
2012 Ouroboros Doomsday Clock (don't let the name deceive you, it's not crazy)
http://www.youtube.com/v/vMn2K-TDIL0&feature=PlayList&p=B11CF054B2118993&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14
Enigma 2012 by David Wilcock (certified guru)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Y5b-kLvppdg&feature=PlayList&p=7E95D29D067AC7FB&index=0&playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5b-kLvppdg&feature=PlayList&p=7E95D29D067AC7FB&index=0&playnext=1
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I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story.
And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com?
Do you believe crop circles are man made?
Where did I mention foxnews.com? Although foxnews.com is one news source that I personally recommend you should not look at for accurate non-bias information on anything. I've read some things on crop circles but my knowledge on them is not as extensive enough for me to comment on.
Ok, where do you recommend I go for accurate information about UFO's then? You're quick to criticize my sources so I guess you know better ones?
Info on crop circles...No way these were made by man in just a few hours overnight.
http://www.youtube.com/v/_KoR2t-iM9k
Any source that has not a conspiracist/schizo feel to it. You come across as pretty logical at times, so I do not see why you have problems distinguishing bias from non-bias. And i never claimed that those crop circles were made by man overnight?
I completely understand bias, and I know you didn't say the circles were made over night. What I was doing by posting that is a few different things. First, I believe in UFO's / ET's through a lot of my own and others findings. I think these crop circles in these vids are 100% legit, and I wanted you to have a look since you admitted you weren't that familiar. I thought it would be a good starting point and pretty good evidence to support that there are indeed aliens. A lot of sites / blogs that I visit share a similar view to me, which is why I reference them. I don't fully cosign every statement they make of course, I verify my info. It seems you are skeptical on their existance (which I was for nearly my entire life) and I want to show you the light.
I like
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In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence.
With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
Just like the existence of Satan, so i can go shootup my school and claim that satan possessed me and made me do it. The court of law would have to believe me and find me innocent as there are huge amounts of objective/subjective/documented historical/cultural evidence on demonic possessions to acquit me.
LOL you angry angry young man. Well if you wanted to get away with that, it would still be ideal to have a combination of both forms of supporting evidence for a strong arguement in your case. Even if you had normative subjective evidence of demonic possession there is not really any objective, scientific evidence of demonic possession to support it. With the aliens, the subjective evidence is huge, its undeniable that there is subjective evidence there. Whats lacking is the objective evidence to support it. People seen aliens, but they don't have the alien with them to prove it. Thats why its real for them subjectively, for other people to believe them they need objective evidence to support the subjective testimony.
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In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence.
With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
Just like the existence of Satan, so i can go shootup my school and claim that satan possessed me and made me do it. The court of law would have to believe me and find me innocent as there are huge amounts of objective/subjective/documented historical/cultural evidence on demonic possessions to acquit me.
LOL you angry angry young man. Well if you wanted to get away with that, it would still be ideal to have a combination of both forms of supporting evidence for a strong arguement in your case. Even if you had normative and subjective evidence of demonic possession there is not really any objective, scientific evidence of demonic possession to support it. With the aliens, the subjective evidence is huge, its undeniable that there is subjective evidence there. Whats lacking is the objective evidence to support it. People seen aliens, but they don't have the alien with them to prove it. Thats why its real for them subjectively, for other people to believe them they need objective evidence to support the subjective testimony.
Same with Satan and demonic shit. You look at most religions, the subjective evidence in holy books and just plain subjective evidence itself is huge. Theres a church by my old house where people saw a demonic possesion every Sunday. I think it was all some kind of hooax/money making scheme but some of my friends/neighbours really believed in satan and demonic possesion. When it comes to subjective evidence, geographically, people in my location would rather believe in Satan and demonic possessions rather than aliens. Youre saying people seen aliens and theres huge subjective evidence, well people before aliens became popular used to see ghosts/satan all the time so the subjective evidence for this is huge as well.
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yes but the difference between subjective evidence for demons and the subjective evidence for aliens is that the latter is much more credible, people from across a much wider demographic and from a huge range of professional occupations can provide subjective evidence for UFOs and aliens.
http://www.youtube.com/v/RFsSKCax2CY&hl=en&fs=1
Presidents, personnel from all across the defence force and government, commerical and government pilots, air traffic controllers, NASA staff, etc.
In comparison, the subjective evidence for demons is not so credible and is much more isloated to a smaller specific demographic group, thats is; overtly religious individuals of usually low educational background.
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Which President had had a subjective experience with aliens? But just because one amount of subjective evidence is huge does not make it credible as you claim. In Rome, during its peak, the wider demographical belief was in demons and shit just because they would see people acting schizo/or simply sick and connect it with satan. That made satan huge evidence subjecitively but just because that kind of subjective evidence was huge in Rome during 54 BC does not mean it is credible.
P.S Rome during its peak was huge, so I am also speaking of a wide demographic range
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If you possessed the ability to comprehend the basic communicative language and reasoning of my previous post you would have understood the issue isn't that the subjective evidence is simply 'huge', the point is: compared to subjective claims of demonic possession, the subjective evidence of UFOs and aliens is of a higher quality spread over a larger and broader demographic of people from various occupations and is not confined to one particular time or place throughout history or the globe.
President Carter reported seeing a UFO, look furthure into it all yourself, or don't.
"One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists."
-US President Carter (while running for election, after becoming President he distanced himself from his election promise citing security concerns).
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If you possessed the ability to comprehend the basic communicative language and reasoning of my previous post you would have understood the issue isn't that the subjective evidence is simply 'huge', the point is: compared to subjective claims of demonic possession, the subjective evidence of UFOs and aliens is of a higher quality spread over a larger and broader demographic of people from various occupations and is not confined to one particular time or place throughout history or the globe.
President Carter reported seeing a UFO, look furthure into it all yourself, or don't.
"One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists."
-US President Carter (while running for election, after becoming President he distanced himself from his election promise citing security concerns).
Theres lots of reports also stating that Carter never saw anything and this move on his part was a popularity one as he new lots of knuckleheads in the country were believing in UFO crap and in turn those knuckleheads voted in this knucklehead, who ended up not doing anything on the apparent info on UFO's. Plus there are tons of scholastic journals which have claimed that what Carter actually saw that day was Venus, same goes for your 'trained professionals'
"Mr. Carter is in good company in misidentifying Venus as a UFO. Many highly trained and responsible persons, including airplane pilots, scientists, policemen, and military personnel, have made the same mistake. During World War II, U.S. aircraft tried to shoot down Venus on numerous occasions, believing it to be an enemy aircraft. In October of 1973, Ohio Governor John Gilligan made headlines by reportedly sighting a UFO. Governor Gilligan's "UFO" turned out to be a misidentification of the planet Mars." Robert Shaeffer, Humanist 77 pp. 46
P.s. You did not specify the bolded portion in your eariler post that is why I threw in the Rome example. So theres no need to get frustrated and claim that I don't understand basic communication or logic when you are not making yourself clear.
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