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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: morbidenigma on April 07, 2009, 04:51:31 AM
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What's the fucking point ?
Ii used to think war a necessasity in this world and that if you opposed it you were just a tree hugging liberal cunt.
However my views have changed, War is just a pointless fucking excersise, Its the way the human race is exterminating it self, i mean war under any guise is pointless.
religion
territorial
oil
hunderds of years this earth has been ravaged by war amongst humans, we are killing each other, life means nothing , some times this world actually saddens me.
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That's some Miss USA talk.
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
What was the catalyst for your change of thinking?
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
Either I never really understood Orwell's point, or I simply disagree.
To me, war seems to be a pretty natural state for all living things (and even the lifeless things are constantly looking for a balance, thus coming to clashes on the way there).
Humans get into wars precisely because they naturally strive for growth. Such growth of one ultimately goes at the cost of the opportunities of others, and the result is a conflict.
There is not much to be done against this, because striving for growth is innate to life, and there's no way to suppress such conflicts because of their size.
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
Either I never really understood Orwell's point, or I simply disagree.
To me, war seems to be a pretty natural state for all living things (and even the lifeless things are constantly looking for a balance, thus coming to clashes on the way there).
Humans get into wars precisely because they naturally strive for growth. Such growth of one ultimately goes at the cost of the opportunities of others, and the result is a conflict.
There is not much to be done against this, because striving for growth is innate to life, and there's no way to suppress such conflicts because of their size.
Growth can also be achieved without resolving into violence.
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dimewars eminem
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
Either I never really understood Orwell's point, or I simply disagree.
To me, war seems to be a pretty natural state for all living things (and even the lifeless things are constantly looking for a balance, thus coming to clashes on the way there).
Humans get into wars precisely because they naturally strive for growth. Such growth of one ultimately goes at the cost of the opportunities of others, and the result is a conflict.
There is not much to be done against this, because striving for growth is innate to life, and there's no way to suppress such conflicts because of their size.
Growth can also be achieved without resolving into violence.
Some growth, yes, but ultimately growth comes to (and from) conflicts.
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Oil is a bitch.
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That's some Miss USA talk.
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Would your views of war change if the leaders of the nations and organizations starting them would man up about why they've started them?
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Oil is a bitch.
What oil? Where's this oil?
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actually everybody really needs the oil.
If the oil is gone, chaos and anarchy will emerge
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sometimes war is very necessary. the last few major wars have been bullshit, but once in a while, war is the only answer.
actually everybody really needs the oil.
If the oil is gone, chaos and anarchy will emerge
we dont need oil. sure we have become dependent on it but only because our dependence makes them billions if not trillions. i dont even want to look up what their profits for the last quarter were. i would probably go out and shoot someone if i did.
there are plenty of other options for us but none make the 'special interest' groups any money. at least not right now. theyre milking it for ALL its worth. shit, the sun alone is our most powerful source of energy...but why has it taken us this long to use it? and still, not everyone uses it.
and dont you dare ask about an electric car...all the 'pure blooded americans' will damn near burn you at the stake for even thinking that!!!
we should of had the electric car mass produced in the 50s.
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sometimes war is very necessary. the last few major wars have been bullshit, but once in a while, war is the only answer.
actually everybody really needs the oil.
If the oil is gone, chaos and anarchy will emerge
we don't need oil. sure we have become dependent on it but only because our dependence makes them billions if not trillions. i don't even want to look up what their profits for the last quarter were. i would probably go out and shoot someone if i did.
there are plenty of other options for us but none make the 'special interest' groups any money. at least not right now. they're milking it for ALL its worth. shit, the sun alone is our most powerful source of energy...but why has it taken us this long to use it? and still, not everyone uses it.
and don't you dare ask about an electric car...all the 'pure blooded Americans' will damn near burn you at the stake for even thinking that!!!
we should of had the electric car mass produced in the 50s.
we NEED oil, believe me.
'sure we have become dependent on it' you're proving my whole point here...
But really, oil isn't JUST for your car....
We need oil for plastic to keep our food fresh for longer periods.
Without it our food wouldn't even be able to get here.
And 1 glass of oil is equal to about 30.000 hours of human labour
And do some goddamn research...
Do you know where about 80% of the electricity comes from? yes OIL.
Every other options of fuel uses at least a bit of gasoline.
Airplanes can not use any other type of fuel.
Solar power hasn't developed well enough to make it as profitable as oil.
And only recently have people developed hydrogen cars and we can't mass produce those because they cost a million to be .s
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'oil' isnt just for cars, huh? you dont say. ::)
when you think of oil, what is the FIRST thing you think of? you dont think of rubber, you dont think of plastics, you think of GASOLINE.
scientists are researching alternatives to petroleum based plastics. it wont be long before they figure out something that works.
"Do you know where about 80% of the electricity comes from? yes OIL."
and yet, the sun provides more than enough energy for the entire world.
"Solar power hasn't developed well enough to make it as profitable as oil."
exactly! it is ALL about profits. they should of started this in the 40s and 50s, not now. they turned us into a society that is 100% defendant on petroleum. but we dont need it. they forced it on us. from running cars to the little eraser on your pencil. but there are many more options available. do they pursue those options? yeah, very little. why? cause theyre milking this thing for all its worth. why does it feel like i have already said this. :eh:
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'oil' isnt just for cars, huh? you dont say. ::)
when you think of oil, what is the FIRST thing you think of? you dont think of rubber, you dont think of plastics, you think of GASOLINE.
scientists are researching alternatives to petroleum based plastics. it wont be long before they figure out something that works.
"Do you know where about 80% of the electricity comes from? yes OIL."
and yet, the sun provides more than enough energy for the entire world.
"Solar power hasn't developed well enough to make it as profitable as oil."
exactly! it is ALL about profits. they should of started this in the 40s and 50s, not now. they turned us into a society that is 100% defendant on petroleum. but we dont need it. they forced it on us. from running cars to the little eraser on your pencil. but there are many more options available. do they pursue those options? yeah, very little. why? cause theyre milking this thing for all its worth.
yes but in the 40's/50's nobody knew the oil supply was limited
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"Do you know where about 80% of the electricity comes from? yes OIL."
do you mean energy?
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"Do you know where about 80% of the electricity comes from? yes OIL."
do you mean energy?
no, energy is too general, energy is everywhere.
I mean electricity
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
Either I never really understood Orwell's point, or I simply disagree.
To me, war seems to be a pretty natural state for all living things (and even the lifeless things are constantly looking for a balance, thus coming to clashes on the way there).
Humans get into wars precisely because they naturally strive for growth. Such growth of one ultimately goes at the cost of the opportunities of others, and the result is a conflict.
There is not much to be done against this, because striving for growth is innate to life, and there's no way to suppress such conflicts because of their size.
Then you don't understand the significance of Orwell using those words. He wasn't some random individual who decided to convey an opinion, this guy saw both sides of it, from fighting in the spanish civil war to serving in the intelligence services for the west. He said war was essentially driven by the need to suppress and destroy surpluses therefore ensuring that the hierarchy of power was not threatened by creating an order/balance which kept people in their places. You see it everywhere, from the lambs to the slaughter, to the loss of life, to the destruction of a growing economy, to the money seeping out of the national economy and in to fighting the war effort. Now he wasn't saying that every single war is fought on this basis but major wars are. Now as for this myth that wars are fought to secure oil to the west, no they aren't, as far as natural resources are concerned, it's important to control the oil, therefore controlling the supply of oil and ensuring therefore that the price can be driven as much as possible. Every single war mindless individuals will rationalise it and seek to gain comfort that this war means cheaper oil prices and yet sure enough the turmoil means a rocket in prices, creating further uncertainty in the market causing speculators to further push up the price of oil. There might be a moral basis presented for a war but it isn't the primary motivation and as we have seen, war is not romantic or glorious and anyone morality it's quickly overshadowed by the evils of war. Orwell was basically saying every major war has been a controlled state of affairs driven by underlying motivations to suppress and destroy. Politicians don't control policy, think tanks control the policy, the think tanks are funded by the extremely wealthy and so you have to look past the simplistic reasons presented on television and understand the fundamentals of what is driving this.
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That's some Miss USA talk.
haha lol
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
What was the catalyst for your change of thinking?
sick recommendation good book... i heard the audio recording of it... on cd
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Can I recommend to you that you read George Orwell's 1984?
It answers that question, but you are right, it's not intended to be fought for "good" it's purpose is destruction but you need to read that ;D
Either I never really understood Orwell's point, or I simply disagree.
To me, war seems to be a pretty natural state for all living things (and even the lifeless things are constantly looking for a balance, thus coming to clashes on the way there).
Humans get into wars precisely because they naturally strive for growth. Such growth of one ultimately goes at the cost of the opportunities of others, and the result is a conflict.
There is not much to be done against this, because striving for growth is innate to life, and there's no way to suppress such conflicts because of their size.
Growth can also be achieved without resolving into violence.
problem is most people cannot think through to reach that level of wise diplomacy...