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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lunatic on May 07, 2009, 01:40:41 PM
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Figured we could do it in here.
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01. Dr. West (Skit)
02. 3 A.M.
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
03. My Mom
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
04. Insane
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Trevor Lawrence Jr.
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
06. Hello
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Mark Batson
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
07. Tonya (Skit)
08. Same Song & Dance
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Dawaun Parker
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
09. We Made You
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Eminem
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
10. Medicine Ball
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Mark Batson
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
11. Paul (Skit)
12. Stay Wide Awake
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
13. Old Time's Sake (feat. Dr. Dre)
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Mark Batson
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
14. Must Be The Ganja
Produced by Dr. Dre
Co-Produced by Mark Batson
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
15. Mr. Mathers
16. Deja Vu
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
17. Beautiful
Produced by Eminem
Mixed by Mike Strange
18. Crack A Bottle (feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent)
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
19. Steve Berman (Skit)
20. Underground/Ken Kaniff
Produced by Dr. Dre
Mixed by Mauricio "Veto" Iragorri
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got link my man?
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getting now... ;)
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So far very happy with the tracks.....My Mom is that shit..I am loving that track!!
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8)
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someone hook up, i finally just got a good rip of that killa cam today too and that new killa priest, good day for me hah.
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someone got a link?
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I got the full album now
holla if you need a link
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HOLLA
btw can anyone else imagine nate dogg on the hook for the track 'HELLO' its exactly the kind of vibe i can picture nate on. even rapping wise would be more suited to 50 than em who ruins it like most of these instrumentals.
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apparently he isnt using the accent on _every_ song
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gotta say I'm impressed by the quality of the poductions I heard so far.
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What do you guys think of the album ?? its downloading right now for me
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Someone hook me up so I can say it's shit.
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I thought this was a discussion thread.
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I thought this was a discussion thread.
discuss who has the best quality rip haha
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I thought this was a discussion thread.
discussions will start when everyone gets it..right now, everyone is still trying to get it, or in the process of downloading it..
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Everybody quick discuss. So um Eminem, he's that white rapper I keep hearing about yeah?
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I still got a few joints to get through, but Insane is just that. Dre laced some shit...
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I'm assuming this gets bumped up to a May 12th release now with the leak
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I'm assuming this gets bumped up to a May 12th release now with the leak
doubt it..
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Holla
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favorite joint so far is undeground. :o :o :o
Dre is back on the cinematic shit
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RNS just dropped the grouprip
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Hook me up with a link plix
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RNS just dropped the grouprip
are u sure?
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I'm assuming this gets bumped up to a May 12th release now with the leak
That's what I was thinking. His last 3 albums all got early releases because of leaks.
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The production is phenomenal. Not all of it makes you grab for the sky but none of it is bad. Well defined and flows
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Hahaha RNS huh.....damn I miss them from back in the day...always had the dopest releases!!
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woah, this "My Mom" beat is THE SHIT :o but WOW this hook is AWFUL..
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Boom, I figured it out...I knew "My Mom" had a familiar sound, the way the horns bounce remind me of "Drips" off The Eminem Show.
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After one listen The production is pretty solid but Eminem needs to be shot for his wackness
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can someone send me a link plz? 8)
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Ima wait till the album drops and then bump in full. Heard My Mom and that was dope, most def the best track ive heard from the album
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can someone send me a link plz? 8)
same :-X
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Ima wait till the album drops and then bump in full. Heard My Mom and that was dope, most def the best track ive heard from the album
seems like everyone loves this 1..
beat bangs and the concept/lyrics are cool..but talk about a TERRIBLE hook :-\
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
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I thought this was a discussion thread.
discuss who has the best quality rip haha
;D
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Need to listen to this a few more times to get a feel for it, but the production is on point 8)
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept."
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
Most of the members have been saying Dre fell the fuck off for 3+ years ... production is good but there is no "monster" beat imo .. let's the beats are better than the loops he has laced for quite some time ...
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PM time 8) Lots of Props given for this one when I can :D
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RNS just dropped the grouprip
are u sure?
no... rlslog had it up but its fake.. rns broke up a couple years ago i shoulda known better
cancelled my old download for it tho :'(
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im not really feeling that mom track that everyone is so hyped on...those horns im not feeling and as far a lyrics, i mean how many times have we heard this?
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^true..well the leaked quality ain't bad..
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can someone send me a link plz? 8)
same :-X
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Stay wide awake beat is the shit...damn 8)
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
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A lot but he's clearly aware of that and doesn't really care that we have. Same with the accent. I'm not a fan of the subject matter and that's fine. It doesn't mean it's bad, just means I don't like his subject matter. That goes for the accent as well. It's not bad, most of you don't like it.
This is how I've always been with Em. I respect him for his talent but I don't really listen to dude aside from a handful of tracks and lately they all come from Encore which most people hate.
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so better then Encore?
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so better then Encore?
so far..i dunno :-\
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
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theres no way it could be worse than encore, that shit had like 4 listenable tracks
btw em is a lyrical genius on this new cd...
Got the baseball and a slingshot,
they he aimed at his own face let the thing pop,
took his eye out picked it up and played ping pong,
then he played ping pong with his own ding dong,
that mutherfuckers got nuts like King Kong,
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^this is terrible
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so better then Encore?
so far..i dunno :-\
thats hard to believe.
the instrumentals alone should make it better than Encore.
pretty pumped to bump. 8)
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definitely some nice beats on here but a few good beats do not make a good album. i'll give it 3/10 for the few times where eminem doesn't completely ruin the production.
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
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PM me someone with any link plix?
ty in advance
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so far..the beats are amazing..and Em ruins most of them...
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There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
Cosign.
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so far..the beats are amazing..and Em ruins most of them...
expected
and its not cause eminems a bad rapper... its because hes offensively bad. you could have some dumb fucker like shawty lo or something and atleast he'd be bad, but he wouldn't piss you off with the ridiculousness of his shit.
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so far..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
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Ya but Lunatic you have said multiple times on here you are not an Eminem fan so your judgement is biased hahahah.
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Ya but Lunatic you have said multiple times on here you are not an Eminem fan so your judgement is biased hahahah.
well it's not that I'm not an Eminem fan..i don't dislike him at all..just 1 of those artists i haven't heard enough of his music to form an opinion on..so no biased at all..
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Ya but Lunatic you have said multiple times on here you are not an Eminem fan so your judgement is biased hahahah.
well it's not that I'm not an Eminem fan..i don't dislike him at all..just 1 of those artists i haven't heard enough of his music to form an opinion on..so no biased at all..
you gotta check that old shit!
its so classic! 8)
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Ya but Lunatic you have said multiple times on here you are not an Eminem fan so your judgement is biased hahahah.
So you gotta be a fan to have an objective opinion?
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^dont sweat it, UIM is a personal friend..he's just messing/joking around..i know that, but i was just justifying my stance on Em anyways
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
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Judging from the early tracks that leaked, my expections hit a low point but there are some sick joints on here, even if Em does kinda ruin some of them. Dre might have found some sort of a new groove with his new musicians.
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that "My Mom" beat is just BUMPING! 8)
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Ya mother fuckers need to calm down. Lunatic is the homie. Calm it down man.
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
I agree Dr. Dre is the best producer ever, but he ain't the best beat maker though ;)
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could someone hook me up with the relapse link?
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At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
that is very true..not bashing him, but that is true..why did Dre pick 50 over Game? money..
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so far..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
Must Be The Ganja - 2.5/5
Deja Vu - 4/5
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So per Lunatics review looks like the end of the cd is much better
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Someone hook me up and I'll make you a shirt with whatever you want on it. FO REAL!!!
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damn luna when did u hit 20thou, props
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damn luna when did u hit 20thou, props
today ;) thanks..
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Someone hook me up and I'll make you a shirt with whatever you want on it. FO REAL!!!
That's what google is for, man. If you want it so bad go get it. As Ricky from Trailer Park Boys would say, "It doesn't take rocket appliances to figure that shit out."
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i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Well, Khalil has been workin with Dre for a long time, maybe he is responsible for some of the Dr. Dre "sounds" we all love. In 2003 Bad Azz said that Dr. Dre got this guy called Khalil ghostproducing for him.
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quite a few beats i'm digging but none of it is really anything spectacular considering tracks like outta control rmx, imagine etc that dre did several years ago. and eminem is completely out of place for the most part.
HELLO - hard hitting, mellow, funky beat. would be IDEAL for a nate dogg solo. could be worse but em completely ruins it with the hook.
MEDICINE BALL - probably the best 'banger' on here. 50 could do with more tracks like this for his own album. eminem actually rips into this one, not too many complaints apart from the goofy shit but better suited to a rapper like 50.
MUST BE THE GANJA - crazy banging beat, eminem out of place with a silly hook in a song about weed. this is more of a snoop beat.
UNDERGROUND - biiiiig sounding beat, would be better with the crisper drums and again awful, awful hook....
SAME SONG & DANCE - agree with what luna said, this is terrible. so much for this being one of the better tracks.
MY MOM - horn effects similar to 'whats a difference', very catchy. its a good track but again terrible hook and the lyrical content doesn't really fit the beat. needs a female singer on here.
beats that fit well with ems voice and style - DEJA VU, INSANE
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damn luna when did u hit 20thou, props
today ;) thanks..
props! ;) 8)
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so far..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
Must Be The Ganja - 2.5/5
Deja Vu - 4/5
Beautiful - 5/5
Crack a Bottle - 3.5/5
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damn i would really like same song and dance if he didnt keep swithing from his regular dope voice to that accent >:(
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damn i would really like same song and dance if he didnt keep swithing from his regular dope voice to that accent >:(
same song and dance is terrible imo..good concept gone wrong..
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Am I the only one to be blown away by that ''Underground'' track?
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so far..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
Must Be The Ganja - 2.5/5
Deja Vu - 4/5
Beautiful - 5/5
Crack a Bottle - 3.5/5
On first listen...I liked Beautiful the best as well. The ending is great.
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so far..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
Must Be The Ganja - 2.5/5
Deja Vu - 4/5
Beautiful - 5/5
Crack a Bottle - 3.5/5
On first listen...I liked Beautiful the best as well. The ending is great.
yep..Eminem at his best..
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theres some mixed opinons here, i think in the end the general opinon will be its a good album & better than Encore.
i am 7 tracks in and im already convinced its better than Encore.
people like some songs & then dont like others, it sounds like a good (positive) mix of opinon. 8)
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theres some mixed opinons here, i think in the end the general opinon will be its a good album & better than Encore.
i am 7 tracks in and im already convinced its better than Encore.
people like some songs & then dont like others, it sounds like a good (positive) mix of opinon. 8)
yeah, def better than encore..but similar to "Kingdom Come" in terms of a pretty weak comeback album for a great artist..difference with Jay-Z is he "went out" on a GREAT album (Black Album) and Em's "Encore" was crap.
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well encore is worth about 1.5/10 so this solid 3/10 is definitely an improvement.
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after 1 listen..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Tonya - N/A
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Paul - N/A
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
Must Be The Ganja - 2.5/5
Mr. Mathers - N/A
Deja Vu - 4/5
Beautiful - 5/5
Crack a Bottle - 3.5/5
Steve - N/A
Underground - 5/5
2nd listen now..gonna drop a more in depth review..
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Link please. the one given to me has been taken down
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Fuck that, i can't agree with ya'll about Encore. That shit was mad dope. Most of you can't get over his vocal switch up. Encore was like 6.5/7 out of 10.
I can't event really judge this yet.
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This shit is horrible. While Dre beats are very impressive, he really did his thing on this one, he experimented alot and the sound is all over the place. Eminem ruins the majority of the tracks with the retarted accent and even when he uses his normal voice I haven't been impressed. He told his story, being the white rapper and all, it was even under more of a microscope. This will have zero replay value, unless an instrumental cd gets released.
Beats are really fly though, favorites after 1 listen: Insane, Stay Wide Awake (awsome), Must Be The Ganja (wow), Underground and of course Crack A Bottle.
Encore >> Relapse
At least on Encore he used the accent for the first time and it sounded different (a lil fresh you mikght say). But now it's more of it and he sounds more cheesy.
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FUCK HE RUINS SOME GREAT BEATS >:( >:( >:(
fuck this album. gimme the instrumental version please.
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after 1 listen..
Intro - N/A
3 AM - 3.75/5
My Mom - 3.5/5
Insane - 4/5
Bagpipes from Baghdad - 2/5
Hello - 3.75/5
Tonya - N/A
Same Song & Dance - 2/5
We Made You - 1/5
Medicine Ball - 3.75/5
Paul - N/A
Stay Wide Awake - 4/5
Old Time's Sake - 4.5/5
Must Be The Ganja - 2.5/5
Mr. Mathers - N/A
Deja Vu - 4/5
Beautiful - 5/5
Crack a Bottle - 3.5/5
Steve - N/A
Underground - 5/5
2nd listen now..gonna drop a more in depth review..
Can I trust your review after you gave "Old Times Sake" a 4.5? Am I the only one that thought that song was weak? Because if you gave it a 4.5 then this album is going to be trash.
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^it's a highlight in my opinion, for sure..
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3/4 of the beats sound like they should be given to Snoop or 50. Stay Wide Awake is vintage Dre beat for 50.
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3/4 of the beats sound like they should be given to Snoop or 50. Stay Wide Awake is vintage Dre beat for 50.
for real. If these were 50 or Snoop songs, they'd be much better.
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Fuck, that fucking accent. I can't decided what's worst; auto-tune or his accent ?
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Fuck, that fucking accent. I can't decided what's worst; auto-tune or his accent ?
tie?
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Fuck, that fucking accent. I can't decided what's worst; auto-tune or his accent ?
heh. His accent
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the accent
yo, basically if you want my feeling on the album, just play track 11 - Paul (skit).
thats all, anyone that claims this is good lyrically doesnt know what theyre talkin about. great beats, thats it
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Fuck, that fucking accent. I can't decided what's worst; auto-tune or his accent ?
The accent delivered through auto-tune.
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Fuck, that fucking accent. I can't decided what's worst; auto-tune or his accent ?
The accent delivered through auto-tune.
:laugh:
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3/4 of the beats sound like they should be given to Snoop or 50. Stay Wide Awake is vintage Dre beat for 50.
for real. If these were 50 or Snoop songs, they'd be much better.
At least, this album got me hyped fo 50 next one. As long as he's not on some ''I get it in'' shit.
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Fuck, that fucking accent. I can't decided what's worst; auto-tune or his accent ?
The accent delivered through auto-tune.
:laugh:
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can someone help me out with hearing this
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his accents reminds me marshall mathers lp and thats what i was waiting for... i'm downloading it right now and i hope beats are ok... because old Em is back!!!
what tha fuck are you people talking bout his accent... u want a new encore??? fuck you.... slim shady is back!!!
however who says that "old times sake" is a good song... fuck em all too... thats wack.... underground is what u can call "good, great, or whatever else"...
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u want a new encore??? fuck you.... slim shady is back!!!
I wish he was...
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i wonder if the "Paul (Skit)" is a real recorded voicemail lol. :P ;D
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It's obvious Eminem and his accent ruined most of the tracks. Of course I only picked Dre affiliates not your random favorite rapper.
01. Dr. West
02. 3 A.M. - definetly suited for Em, just loose the accent
03. My Mom - Busta/ Xzibit
04. Insane - Nas & Game (Hustlers part 2)
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad - some random terrorist
06. Hello - Snoop, Nate Dogg on the chours
07. Tonya
08. Same Song & Dance - Bishop
09. We Made You - definetly Em
10. Medicine Ball - Young Buck/Busta Rhymes
11. Paul
12. Stay Wide Awake - vintage 50
13. Old Time's Sake - Em, no accent
14. Must Be The Ganja - Snoop/50
15. Mr. Mathers
16. Deja Vu - Em, just no accent
17. Beautiful - Eminem production
18. Crack A Bottle - cool
19. Underground - can't decide
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u want a new encore??? fuck you.... slim shady is back!!!
I wish he was...
i hope he is :)
his rap is ok... but i worry about beats... i dont trust dre!
i wish i could listen to him with his own beats and Bass Brothers' beats
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Come on Dubcc. Hook me up
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u want a new encore??? fuck you.... slim shady is back!!!
I wish he was...
i hope he is :)
his rap is ok... but i worry about beats... i dont trust dre!
i wish i could listen to him with his own beats and Bass Brothers' beats
IMO Dre came correct on that album. Nothing mind blowing, except maybe for Underground (reminds me of Don't get carried away ). I know it's a popular thing to say, but his accent ruins a lot of songs. It's really really annoying. Fo example, Deja vu would've been a dope tack, but instead I have to skip it because of his voice.
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Big dissapointment.
This reminds me of Aug. 4th 1998 when I waited in line outside blockbuster music for the midnight release of Snoop's "Game Is To Be Sold" album... had been waiting for that album to drop for so long, and....
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Big dissapointment.
This reminds me of Aug. 4th 1998 when I waited in line outside blockbuster music for the midnight release of Snoop's "Game Is To Be Sold" album... had been waiting for that album to drop for so long, and....
:D
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Kills>Encore IMO.
Hooks are kinda...Eeehh!
beats are on point!
Em's "accent" aka the Slim Shady voice makes appearances here & there...
But does not take over the album.
Subject matter is always the big thing with Eminem for me (Replay value, Prob not gonna bump this past a week)
basically the same stuff, BUt if you like his shit.. You will like this album.
The Christopher Reeves shit (On Medicine Ball) ... is weak, just like it was on Encore.
Overall. Beats lift it to a 6/10
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It's hard to listen to some tracks with this strange ass accent, though Dre impressed me with the beats for the most part.
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I think this is dope. Dre's beats really mesh imo. Em's hooks are a little suspect on a few songs. And all these different flows are cool. The accent doesnt bother me as much as i thought it would.
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Damn the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" sounds fuckin sick, real dark.
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Damn the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" sounds fuckin sick, real dark.
oh yes, love this beat.
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Damn the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" sounds fuckin sick, real dark.
oh yes, love this beat.
That's my 2nd favorite right now.
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Any of you fools sayin Dre fell off can fuck off after this. It's nothing insane (maybe 1 or 2 were), but it kills 95% of the beats i heard in a long time. Em on the other hand wasn't that bad on some of em, SOME of em. Overall, it SMASHES Encore. Imagine the remix/other artist possibilities with these beats. We NEED an instrumental disc!
And Underground was my favorite by far.
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Damn the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" sounds fuckin sick, real dark.
oh yes, love this beat.
That's my 2nd favorite right now.
Goddamn the beat is cold, i hope the instrumental leaks.
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he's really scraping the bottom of the barrel with these rhymes... "Bagpipes From Baghdad" is a sick beat, sick flow.. but dude obviously doesn't have anything to say anymore.
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These are probably the best Dre beats since The Big Bang.
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These are probably the best Dre beats since The Big Bang.
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Any of you fools sayin Dre fell off can fuck off after this. It's nothing insane (maybe 1 or 2 were), but it kills 95% of the beats i heard in a long time. Em on the other hand wasn't that bad on some of em, SOME of em. Overall, it SMASHES Encore. Imagine the remix/other artist possibilities with these beats. We NEED an instrumental disc!
And Underground was my favorite by far.
Word, Someone hand Crooked I an instrumental of this album... HHW II
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Someone send me a link plz
Thanks 8)
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These are probably the best Dre beats since The Big Bang.
The only problem with this album is Eminem's sudden lack of content. The beats are insane, the flow is still sick (aside from the accent). Content never used to be a problem for him. After 8 Mile told his story, he had nothing left to say.
He should of rapped about Proof, I thought Proof's death would give his music some content.
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^for real, where the fuck is my Proof tribute :-X
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one time through & i say its better than Encore.
Beautiful is the best song & better than any song on Encore.
he has some other dope songs, with dope flows & some silly ones.
the beats help this album a lot & i like the album.
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The album got some dope beats, but like Infinite said it's like Eminem don't have anything to say. Gotta bump it again though, i just quickly listened through it.
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Yo.. I just figured out I'm going to do my own edit for this album on acid pro... because these beats are bangers, and most the hooks are great... I can save a few good rhymes, verses here and there and make something decent out of it.
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Alright my second spin.. Beats are NICE!
Would have been interesting to hear Bishop on some of these. :-X
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Now DRE just has to drop Detox in the end of 2009! damn it. With beats like "My Mom", "Shit Popped Off", "Hello", "Stay Wide Awake", "Deja Vu" etc. I'd be more than satisfied. And we all know he saved beats over past few years now. I REALLY hope this album will do well on the charts, altough Em might not deserve it because of his fuccin accent. I think that, if this album will sell, Dre will put Detox out.
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My problem with the album is that there are no song on this album where em sounds hungry and spits with emphasis and emotion. Thats wen em is at his best.
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not bads, i'd give it a 3.5-4 outta 5, it's like "kingdom come" type of feel in a way....kinda expecting more outta this album with the hype it got. dre couldve done a better job on beats. they're solid but doesnt have that knockout standout feel to it. proof that "The Documentary" is the last album where we'll hear Classic/Top Notch Dre production.... Dre get back with Game and produce some real HEAT. fuck workin with 5.0. what we gon get another average track like "i get it in?"
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You mean Massacre right ? 3 out of 5 Dre beats were originally 50's. You're left with the great Start From Scratch and weak Mary J. joint.
Not to mention it more has to do with that Elizodno and Storch were present for the last time.
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Alot of people on here saying this album is better than Encore. I actually think Encore was better. Because "Beautiful" is a great song, but no better then "Mockingbird". And "3AM" is dope but no better than "Evil Deeds". "Crack A Bottle" is decent but not much better than "Never Enough". And "Old Times Sake" is okay but I think "Encore" feat. Dre and 50 was alot better. And there's no song on here that's as good as "We As Americuns" (although that track was only on the bonus disc.
So I don't see how this is really any better than Encore.
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^actually yes, Encore is a better album.
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1. Intro - Good opener. Gives the album a "dark tone" to begin. I like it.
2. 3 AM - Simple beat, but I like it. Real cinematic, horror like; fits the concept pretty well. Lyrics are for the most part, on point. Accent gets annoying at times, but gets more and more tolerable with each listen. The beat fitting the concept so well is the overall highlight of this track. I've liked this track more and more with each listen. - 4/5
3. My Mom - Loving the horns on the beat. Dr. Dre did his thing on here. The chorus is absolute crap though, extremely, BEYOND annoying. The accent is fucking terrible on here. Cool subject matter, he's been there, done that though. The beat is oh so hot though. This track got worse with a 2nd listen though. Gets a pass for the beat - 2.5/5
4. Insane - cool beat. Cool/weird subject matter, fucked up with the stepfather rape. Gets annoying at times. Avg track, not as annoying as "My Mom" though. - 2.75/5
5. Bagpipes from Baghdad - Experimental beat imo. it's pretty cool. Very annoying song though; so bad. Lol at the Nick Cannon line though. - 2/5
6. Hello - Simple beat, but average imo. Wack hook. Wack delivery. - 2.25/5
7. Tonya - N/A
8. Same Song & Dance - Ok beat. Ok concept, terrible delivery of ideas. Just awful. Such a bad song overall. - 2/5
9. We Made You - Typical Eminem first single. We've all heard it. - 1/5
10. Medicine Ball - I like this beat. The accent ruins it though. Makes it very annoying. Ironic hook, yes I do hate this ;D - 2.25/5
11. Paul - N/A, but fucking hilarious
12. Stay Wide Awake - I really like this beat, SO DOPE. The hook is real good as well. Accent is gay and fuck on this. Lyrics are on point. - 3.5/5
13. Old Time's Sake - Simple beat, but again, I really like it. The accent isn't as bad, but the hook in his normal voice is better. I like Dre's parts. - 4/5
14. Must Be The Ganja - As Meho said, vintage Snoop/50 beat. Judging off "I Get High" or "Smoke Some Weed", this would still be better for Lloyd Banks or Ice Cube. The beat is cool like that. Don't like what Em did with it at all though. Not as bad as some of the other cuts on this album though. - 3/5
15. Mr. Mathers - N/A
16. Deja Vu - Great beat, great hook. Definitely one of the best tracks on the album. - 4/5
17. Beautiful - The one moment on the album of the of the best of Eminem, and surprisingly, it's the 1 beat Dre didn't do. But Dre's beats are great on this, this song is best b/c of Em's performance being easily, his best on the entire album. - 5/5
18. Crack a Bottle - Always liked this beat. Don't like the hook at all. Em's verse is cool. Dre murders this shit. 50's singing is ok, not bad as some said. - 3.5/5
19. Steve Berman Skit - N/A
20. Underground - Grimey beat. Vintage Eminem on this one. Good way to end the album. - 5/5
Awful album.
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Dude needs to lay off the Christopher Reeves dissing...WTF! That shit is lame..
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1. Intro - Good opener. Gives the album a "dark tone" to begin. I like it.
2. 3 AM - Simple beat, but I like it. Real cinematic, horror like; fits the concept pretty well. Lyrics are for the most part, on point. Accent gets annoying at times, but gets more and more tolerable with each listen. The beat fitting the concept so well is the overall highlight of this track. I've liked this track more and more with each listen. - 4/5
3. My Mom - Loving the horns on the beat. Dr. Dre did his thing on here. The chorus is absolute crap though, extremely, BEYOND annoying. The accent is fucking terrible on here. Cool subject matter, he's been there, done that though. The beat is oh so hot though. This track got worse with a 2nd listen though. Gets a pass for the beat - 2.5/5
4. Insane - cool beat. Cool/weird subject matter, fucked up with the stepfather rape. Gets annoying at times. Avg track, not as annoying as "My Mom" though. - 2.75/5
5. Bagpipes from Baghdad - Experimental beat imo. it's pretty cool. Very annoying song though; so bad. Lol at the Nick Cannon line though. - 2/5
6. Hello - Simple beat, but average imo. Wack hook. Wack delivery. - 2.25/5
7. Tonya - N/A
8. Same Song & Dance - Ok beat. Ok concept, terrible delivery of ideas. Just awful. Such a bad song overall. - 2/5
9. We Made You - Typical Eminem first single. We've all heard it. - 1/5
10. Medicine Ball - I like this beat. The accent ruins it though. Makes it very annoying. Ironic hook, yes I do hate this ;D - 2.25/5
11. Paul - N/A, but fucking hilarious
12. Stay Wide Awake - I really like this beat, SO DOPE. The hook is real good as well. Accent is gay and fuck on this. Lyrics are on point. - 3.5/5
13. Old Time's Sake - Simple beat, but again, I really like it. The accent isn't as bad, but the hook in his normal voice is better. I like Dre's parts. - 4/5
14. Must Be The Ganja - As Meho said, vintage Snoop/50 beat. Judging off "I Get High" or "Smoke Some Weed", this would still be better for Lloyd Banks or Ice Cube. The beat is cool like that. Don't like what Em did with it at all though. Not as bad as some of the other cuts on this album though. - 3/5
15. Mr. Mathers - N/A
16. Deja Vu - Great beat, great hook. Definitely one of the best tracks on the album. - 4/5
17. Beautiful - The one moment on the album of the of the best of Eminem, and surprisingly, it's the 1 beat Dre didn't do. But Dre's beats are great on this, this song is best b/c of Em's performance being easily, his best on the entire album. - 5/5
18. Crack a Bottle - Always liked this beat. Don't like the hook at all. Em's verse is cool. Dre murders this shit. 50's singing is ok, not bad as some said. - 3.5/5
19. Steve Berman Skit - N/A
20. Underground - Grimey beat. Vintage Eminem on this one. Good way to end the album. - 5/5
Awful album.
Agree with you for most of it, but I don't really like Beautiful.
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i fuck wit Relapse. i knew tha singles would be tha wackest on tha album (who actually listens to tha singles once you get tha album anyway- no matter how good it is). im happy with it. The brand new 12 tracks bang. and the singles do to once you get past the accent and "we made you". "underground" is the shit too, i guess the snippet didn't justify it.
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Let's vote track by track
01. Dr. West
02. 3 A.M. - 3.5
03. My Mom - 4
04. Insane - 4
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad - 5
06. Hello - 4
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad - 5 (no, nuthings wrong...i just wanted to listen it again... damn!)
07. Tonya
08. Same Song & Dance - 3
09. We Made You - 4.5
10. Medicine Ball - 2
11. Paul
12. Stay Wide Awake - 4
13. Old Time's Sake - 3
14. Must Be The Ganja - 2
15. Mr. Mathers
16. Deja Vu - 4
17. Beautiful - 3
18. Crack A Bottle - 1 (it shouldnt be listed, sounds like a mixtape song)
19. Underground - 5
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i give the album a 3/5 seemed rushed and concepts were horrible
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"Bagpipes From Baghdad" beat reminds me of Crooked I's "Circle Gang Anthem" (Track off Block Obama II)
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is this a retail/grouprip, or some shitty web rip?
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is this a retail/grouprip, or some shitty web rip?
its retail, not grouprip, but definitely better quality than a shitty web rip.
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1. Intro - Good opener. Gives the album a "dark tone" to begin. I like it.
2. 3 AM - Simple beat, but I like it. Real cinematic, horror like; fits the concept pretty well. Lyrics are for the most part, on point. Accent gets annoying at times, but gets more and more tolerable with each listen. The beat fitting the concept so well is the overall highlight of this track. I've liked this track more and more with each listen. - 4/5
3. My Mom - Loving the horns on the beat. Dr. Dre did his thing on here. The chorus is absolute crap though, extremely, BEYOND annoying. The accent is fucking terrible on here. Cool subject matter, he's been there, done that though. The beat is oh so hot though. This track got worse with a 2nd listen though. Gets a pass for the beat - 2.5/5
4. Insane - cool beat. Cool/weird subject matter, fucked up with the stepfather rape. Gets annoying at times. Avg track, not as annoying as "My Mom" though. - 2.75/5
5. Bagpipes from Baghdad - Experimental beat imo. it's pretty cool. Very annoying song though; so bad. Lol at the Nick Cannon line though. - 2/5
6. Hello - Simple beat, but average imo. Wack hook. Wack delivery. - 2.25/5
7. Tonya - N/A
8. Same Song & Dance - Ok beat. Ok concept, terrible delivery of ideas. Just awful. Such a bad song overall. - 2/5
9. We Made You - Typical Eminem first single. We've all heard it. - 1/5
10. Medicine Ball - I like this beat. The accent ruins it though. Makes it very annoying. Ironic hook, yes I do hate this ;D - 2.25/5
11. Paul - N/A, but fucking hilarious
12. Stay Wide Awake - I really like this beat, SO DOPE. The hook is real good as well. Accent is gay and fuck on this. Lyrics are on point. - 3.5/5
13. Old Time's Sake - Simple beat, but again, I really like it. The accent isn't as bad, but the hook in his normal voice is better. I like Dre's parts. - 4/5
14. Must Be The Ganja - As Meho said, vintage Snoop/50 beat. Judging off "I Get High" or "Smoke Some Weed", this would still be better for Lloyd Banks or Ice Cube. The beat is cool like that. Don't like what Em did with it at all though. Not as bad as some of the other cuts on this album though. - 3/5
15. Mr. Mathers - N/A
16. Deja Vu - Great beat, great hook. Definitely one of the best tracks on the album. - 4/5
17. Beautiful - The one moment on the album of the of the best of Eminem, and surprisingly, it's the 1 beat Dre didn't do. But Dre's beats are great on this, this song is best b/c of Em's performance being easily, his best on the entire album. - 5/5
18. Crack a Bottle - Always liked this beat. Don't like the hook at all. Em's verse is cool. Dre murders this shit. 50's singing is ok, not bad as some said. - 3.5/5
19. Steve Berman Skit - N/A
20. Underground - Grimey beat. Vintage Eminem on this one. Good way to end the album. - 5/5
Awful album.
So the average is 3.116/5
I haven't listened the entire album yet but my guess is that I'm gonna end up saying it's 3- 3.75/ 5
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^well i feel it's even worse than 3.1/5, even if that is the average.
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can i get a link please
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thank dude, gonna listen to it now.
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I'll have to check this just for the Dre beats. I've got every Eminem album, but they just don't have any replay value for me (with the exception of a song here and there). I'll buy an Em album, listen to it for a couple weeks straight, and hardly ever listen to it again (most of his shit just sounds like parodies to me). Just reading some of the posts in this thread isn't making me want to hear this any time soon (especially if it's worse than Encore, which is his worst album, IMO).
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luna hook up that link brah
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luna hook up that link brah
got cha
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These are probably the best Dre beats since The Big Bang.
"Dre fell off", "Dre is done"...
:)
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em just did a whole album where he doesn't say shit
what the fuck is this? i didnt mind encore cause i thought he was just trying to prove his name sells, but now a second album which is exactly like encore? i wont be buying this album at all. 'my mom' is ok and 3am is decent, the rest of this album is unlistenable. perhaps someone needs to force feed him some drugs so we can get some decent music out of him again. seriously, this guy is just putting out an album for the sake of it. the lyrics on most of the songs sound like they're put together by a 5th grader, his flow is insane but he isn't saying SHIT
this album gets a 3/10 from me
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^for real; glad to see others share the opinion. This is an utterly terrible album.
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The only reason Dre's production on The Documentary was so fine was it being made for a version of Detox and Game getting the leftovers after the project got scrapped. And, as it goes, 3 of them were originally 50's but that's besides the point because the og intent was for Detox, not Game. That said, Dre did fine with this release. He delivered the goods and had a cohesive product.
Lyrical/creative analysis
Relapse begins with Dr.West. We're dropped into Marshall Mather's checking out of Rehab for his abuse of alcohol and pills. Marshall is having a conversation with Dr.West concerning his concerns of relapsing into addiction post-rehab and controlling himself through the 12-step program. He is encouraged by Dr.West to give into drugs to get through his worries. As the pressure builds on Marshall Dr.West transforms into an alter ego. It is his devil that is unleashed. An alarm clock rings, it's a nightmare.
He wakes up at 3 AM. The door is unlocked, Marshall has relapsed, and is now Slim Shady. The usual dosage of grotesque depictions of violence occurs as Shady describes his memory murder. A review of Marshall's experiences with addictions are included prior to relapsing are included. He's up late at night, can't sleep, and wishes to sleep so he returns to his drugs. 3 AM tracks the transformation from Marshall to Slim Shady; by the third verse Shady is in full mode.
He takes us back to the beginning, to the days of his youth, to the day when his addiction began. This act is part of the 12 steps. One must admit they're addicted, that they're powerless. He tells us that through his Mother actions that that he exists today but that despite the outside circumstances he is no different then his Mother. This is less of a critique as it is more of a review. There is no hatred for his mother, only the realizition that this is how events in his life went down, this is how he became who he is today.
The story of his past continues as Shady tells us of the rape he received as a child from his step-father. Always aware of the gossip, on the chorus Shady addresses those who wonder about his mental state. He continues to face what has haunted him.
Shady then focuses the light on the thoughts that race through his head today: failed relationships, hatred and jealousy, and insecurities about accepatance. He demonstrates that he is Shady and he is insane. He gives in to the perceptions.
His continued desires to be accepted are expressed on Hello. Another source of why he turns to addictions are described - women. Tonya transitions the story of external problems from his past to his issues with females.
Shady's past experiences with relationships are described on Same Song & Dance. We Made You continues as a lighter variation of Same Song & Dance, this time focusing on female celebrities.
Medicine Ball continues the tale of addiction and how Shady constantly attacks the world as if it were his playtoy. This all roots from the belief that people have got to hate him.
Paul comes in as a voice of reason, he comes in as the perception of us the audience. Shady responds to the critique by telling the world to accept it, this is who he is, it's a part of Marshall, and dares the audience to delve into the sick thoughts within on Stay Wide Awake. He continues to appeal to this recommendation on the next track Old Time's Sake. The track also begins to address another addiction - Weed. Must Be The Ganga confirms the depth of his addiction.
Mr.Mathers continues to tell us that Mathers has been gone on this cd and Shady has only existed. We know why, Marshall overdosed on medication that he used to try to fall asleep. Deja Vu is no longer Shady. Eminem is back and he tells the story of his recent addiction until his overdose. During the track Shady is present but is underneath as a whisper.
Marshall comes out and tells us his truth on Beautiful. He reviews his career, his position in life, his current actions, his thoughts, and his fears. It's his truth without the devil, without Shady. He's told us his story in the past 16 tracks - his you, his alter ego, his addictions. Marshall knows all this but it doesn't matter, this is therapy. It doesn't matter that he's said this already, that he's expressed his contempt for his mother, his hatred for the world, his desrive to be accepted - none of this matters. This is Marshall Mathers. You are are you. This is what he wants to do. You do what you want to do. He's being himself.
Crack a Bottle is the celebration of this realization, of being yourself, of his career and what he has done. His therapy is nearly done. He has made it through his post-rehab phase. Eminem is ready to come back so he visits Steve Berman. Berman is the audience who's waited for Eminem, who's tired of his antics - Berman represents the world outside of Marshall.
Underground concludes the album. Eminem is back to form. He resorts back into his battle flow, his crazy rhymes, his passion, and he's ready to prove the world he's back. He's admitted to his story and he even makes fun of his own material via Ken Kannif - We Made You's corniness and poppiness is made fune of.
In conclusion of this lyrical analysis, honesty and self-expression is why I dig Encore and it's why I dig Relapse. It's all deliberately planed out. It's the story of Marshall Mather/Eminem/Slim Shady. A story is told of part of what he's been up to the in the past couple of years. His accents are on purpose, his lack of emotion on tracks is on purpose. They all serve to be part of the collective whole. That's why I dig this. It's not just a collection of random tracks that sound hot like on most albums.
As do the beats match what's being spit? I would say yeah they do. Even those more manufactured towards consumer appeal such as We Made You are picked at via Ken Kannif.
True, other artists would have done something different but Eminem made it his own. That's why I dig this shit. He only presents what he knows and doesn't tell us otherwise. He doesn't rap as if he's slinging weight or packing heat or as the hot headed Shady he used to be. He even know the material itself is kind of contrived and tells us this but he doesn't care because it's something he has to go through, this is how he wants to be represented.
I say it's as good as Encore. I'll stick with my og score of 6.5/7 out of ten. Why? I don't know. Lack of re-playability for one. But it's still all dope.
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awww man and i thought i was disappointed when i heard Paul Walls new album earlier only tracks im feelin is We Made You Crack A Bottle and Stay Wide Awake everything else is pretty wack :-\
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awww man and i thought i was disappointed when i heard Paul Walls new album earlier only tracks im feelin is We Made You Crack A Bottle and Stay Wide Awake everything else is pretty wack :-\
yep, awful album.
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'Deja Vu' is the best track on the album. one of the only tracks where the production and the delivery actually fit together and eminem isn't doing a stupid voice or a terrible hook.
the beats i like the most - 'Medicine Ball' and 'Must Be The Ganja' 'My Mom' and 'Hello'. i can think of artists who would do a much better job on these though. for example - 'Must Be The Ganja' would be the IDEAL beat for snoop or even knoc ;D
i got a feeling Dre-Day will be into 'Underground' for the big opera/orchestra dramatic tones.
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i can bump this shit.
the beats bang, so great instrumentally.
lyrics are different from song to song, some better than others.
if your doing drugs you could so VIBE to this album. 8)
MMLP=SSLP(classics)>>>Infinite>Eminem Show(great albums)>>>>>>>>>>Relapse>>>Encore(his weakest shit).
now i just gotta sit back & still bump Padded Room (album of the year :P) & Relapse from time to time & just pray for a great 50 album (high-er hopes after hearing these Dre beats & 50 can spit over beats like Dre gave Em); hopefully then Dre drops Detox & then we gotta hope the Relapse 2 theory is true. ;D
dont sleep on Em's flow on this album though, he could use some lyrical work though. :-\
6/10, but bumpable, for me. 8)
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The only reason Dre's production on The Documentary was so fine was it being made for a version of Detox and Game getting the leftovers after the project got scrapped. And, as it goes, 3 of them were originally 50's but that's besides the point because the og intent was for Detox, not Game. That said, Dre did fine with this release. He delivered the goods and had a cohesive product.
Lyrical/creative analysis
Relapse begins with Dr.West. We're dropped into Marshall Mather's checking out of Rehab for his abuse of alcohol and pills. Marshall is having a conversation with Dr.West concerning his concerns of relapsing into addiction post-rehab and controlling himself through the 12-step program. He is encouraged by Dr.West to give into drugs to get through his worries. As the pressure builds on Marshall Dr.West transforms into an alter ego. It is his devil that is unleashed. An alarm clock rings, it's a nightmare.
He wakes up at 3 AM. The door is unlocked, Marshall has relapsed, and is now Slim Shady. The usual dosage of grotesque depictions of violence occurs as Shady describes his memory murder. A review of Marshall's experiences with addictions are included prior to relapsing are included. He's up late at night, can't sleep, and wishes to sleep so he returns to his drugs. 3 AM tracks the transformation from Marshall to Slim Shady; by the third verse Shady is in full mode.
He takes us back to the beginning, to the days of his youth, to the day when his addiction began. This act is part of the 12 steps. One must admit they're addicted, that they're powerless. He tells us that through his Mother actions that that he exists today but that despite the outside circumstances he is no different then his Mother. This is less of a critique as it is more of a review. There is no hatred for his mother, only the realizition that this is how events in his life went down, this is how he became who he is today.
The story of his past continues as Shady tells us of the rape he received as a child from his step-father. Always aware of the gossip, on the chorus Shady addresses those who wonder about his mental state. He continues to face what has haunted him.
Shady then focuses the light on the thoughts that race through his head today: failed relationships, hatred and jealousy, and insecurities about accepatance. He demonstrates that he is Shady and he is insane. He gives in to the perceptions.
His continued desires to be accepted are expressed on Hello. Another source of why he turns to addictions are described - women. Tonya transitions the story of external problems from his past to his issues with females.
Shady's past experiences with relationships are described on Same Song & Dance. We Made You continues as a lighter variation of Same Song & Dance, this time focusing on female celebrities.
Medicine Ball continues the tale of addiction and how Shady constantly attacks the world as if it were his playtoy. This all roots from the belief that people have got to hate him.
Paul comes in as a voice of reason, he comes in as the perception of us the audience. Shady responds to the critique by telling the world to accept it, this is who he is, it's a part of Marshall, and dares the audience to delve into the sick thoughts within on Stay Wide Awake. He continues to appeal to this recommendation on the next track Old Time's Sake. The track also begins to address another addiction - Weed. Must Be The Ganga confirms the depth of his addiction.
Mr.Mathers continues to tell us that Mathers has been gone on this cd and Shady has only existed. We know why, Marshall overdosed on medication that he used to try to fall asleep. Deja Vu is no longer Shady. Eminem is back and he tells the story of his recent addiction until his overdose. During the track Shady is present but is underneath as a whisper.
Marshall comes out and tells us his truth on Beautiful. He reviews his career, his position in life, his current actions, his thoughts, and his fears. It's his truth without the devil, without Shady. He's told us his story in the past 16 tracks - his you, his alter ego, his addictions. Marshall knows all this but it doesn't matter, this is therapy. It doesn't matter that he's said this already, that he's expressed his contempt for his mother, his hatred for the world, his desrive to be accepted - none of this matters. This is Marshall Mathers. You are are you. This is what he wants to do. You do what you want to do. He's being himself.
Crack a Bottle is the celebration of this realization, of being yourself, of his career and what he has done. His therapy is nearly done. He has made it through his post-rehab phase. Eminem is ready to come back so he visits Steve Berman. Berman is the audience who's waited for Eminem, who's tired of his antics - Berman represents the world outside of Marshall.
Underground concludes the album. Eminem is back to form. He resorts back into his battle flow, his crazy rhymes, his passion, and he's ready to prove the world he's back. He's admitted to his story and he even makes fun of his own material via Ken Kannif - We Made You's corniness and poppiness is made fune of.
In conclusion of this lyrical analysis, honesty and self-expression is why I dig Encore and it's why I dig Relapse. It's all deliberately planed out. It's the story of Marshall Mather/Eminem/Slim Shady. A story is told of part of what he's been up to the in the past couple of years. His accents are on purpose, his lack of emotion on tracks is on purpose. They all serve to be part of the collective whole. That's why I dig this. It's not just a collection of random tracks that sound hot like on most albums.
As do the beats match what's being spit? I would say yeah they do. Even those more manufactured towards consumer appeal such as We Made You are picked at via Ken Kannif.
True, other artists would have done something different but Eminem made it his own. That's why I dig this shit. He only presents what he knows and doesn't tell us otherwise. He doesn't rap as if he's slinging weight or packing heat or as the hot headed Shady he used to be. He even know the material itself is kind of contrived and tells us this but he doesn't care because it's something he has to go through, this is how he wants to be represented.
I say it's as good as Encore. I'll stick with my og score of 6.5/7 out of ten. Why? I don't know. Lack of re-playability for one. But it's still all dope.
Nice explanation +1!
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Meh, I like the album. Nowhere near Eminem's other shit (Marshall Mathers LP) but I still like it.
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the chris reeves part on medicine ball represents everything that is wrong today with Eminem. He forced the shady persona on this album, doesn't feel natural at all. I remember when Em would make fun or take shots at ppl he actually had issues with. A shot at Chris Reeves who is dead on this album is so stupid, and makes no sense, it's unbelievable.
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Ok I listened to everything up to "Same song and dance" and the album is better than i thought. The album feels and sounds like Eminem, Im not really noticing the accent that much anymore.
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^word.
what do you think about Underground?
that song sounds so good to me, he goes in hard, with an angry flow.
if he made a whole cd with that flow over a hard beat like that; it would be some old school shit. 8)
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the chris reeves part on medicine ball represents everything that is wrong today with Eminem. He forced the shady persona on this album, doesn't feel natural at all. I remember when Em would make fun or take shots at ppl he actually had issues with. A shot at Chris Reeves who is dead on this album is so stupid, and makes no sense, it's unbelievable.
I agree. it was Laaaaaaaaaaaaame.
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the chris reeves part on medicine ball represents everything that is wrong today with Eminem. He forced the shady persona on this album, doesn't feel natural at all. I remember when Em would make fun or take shots at ppl he actually had issues with. A shot at Chris Reeves who is dead on this album is so stupid, and makes no sense, it's unbelievable.
It doesn't feel right to you but it's exactly what Eminem/Marshall Mathers wanted. He doesn't give a fuck. He says shit just to say shit. His chorus addresses you. Tell him, "how should he begin it? how should it all end?"
Hell, that's his point on Beautiful. He's doing him, you're doing you. It doesn't matter!
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Just put this on, so far so good for me.
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Just put this on, so far so good for me.
i am actually pretty interested in your opinon of this lol.
your always 100% honest on shit. 8)
drop thoughts when your through. ;)
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whos got a link?
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Anyway who listens to encore and think its good hiphop music dont know shit.
As for this, ive only got upto bagpipes from baghdad so far, its interesting hearing the beats off dre, theres crazy variety in the beats so far...for example, this in comparison to insane are completely different which are both so different from 3am...
Eminem is going nice in terms of flow on insane in his second verse, but whats with all this accent shit? He words dont even stand out, nothing fits out, hardly any quotables, just stupid shit.
Dres music sounds pretty live upto now, eminem on the other hand, seems like a dude who if he could try and be a lil more serious with his energy on a beat could do damage, instead he keeps fuckin up these joints lol...and i aint even heard the rest of the album yet...sounds pretty bizzare so far...
oh and my mom beat horns sounds like 'whats the difference' horns...nearly exactly the same, yet look how eminem sounds today on a beat of that sort in comparison to before...he ruining ill beats so far
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Ok I just gave the album his first listen and its not so bad...
Eminem rap are acceptable and Dr. Dre got some dope beats on it
"HELLO" is the shit!
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oh stay wide awake has a live beat, infact this beat is some vintage dre shit, funny it has no co producers!
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So far not bad. Far from his best though. The accent is different let me say that. This album is missing those lyrical bangers like a Remember Me, Squaredance, Till I Collaspe, etc. Almost seems like he is in character too long on this album (Shady). Beats are FIRE, those saying Dre should retire I personally do get it. Eminem's style has made Dre's style completely change and that shows evolution and range in him as a producer. Most of the beats I can't even tell Dre did them (one of the things that sucks when ya burn albums early lol).
Again not his best but I still bump the album. Might grow on me a lil bit.
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damn man.. im torn here
i'd expect so much more from a Dr Dre beat .. the usual basic perfectly mixed Kick Snare/Clap 1.2 .. however im not feelin alot of the elements he fills those empty spaces with..disapointed
i am feelin what meho said, those beats are sick.. underground is dope as hell though em's delivery is shitty as hell on it dunno
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Again not his best but I still bump the album. Might grow on me a lil bit.
thats the best way to sum it up. 8)
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yooo the stay wide awake beat is ill for real! Second time saying it haha
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Again not his best but I still bump the album. Might grow on me a lil bit.
thats the best way to sum it up. 8)
Yeah my ear for music has evolved enough that I can still enjoy albums from artists even if it is not their best work. I don't go into it listening and expecting MMLP or SSLP, Those are their own albums and both great in their own right.
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The only reason Dre's production on The Documentary was so fine was it being made for a version of Detox and Game getting the leftovers after the project got scrapped. And, as it goes, 3 of them were originally 50's but that's besides the point because the og intent was for Detox, not Game. That said, Dre did fine with this release. He delivered the goods and had a cohesive product.
Lyrical/creative analysis
Relapse begins with Dr.West. We're dropped into Marshall Mather's checking out of Rehab for his abuse of alcohol and pills. Marshall is having a conversation with Dr.West concerning his concerns of relapsing into addiction post-rehab and controlling himself through the 12-step program. He is encouraged by Dr.West to give into drugs to get through his worries. As the pressure builds on Marshall Dr.West transforms into an alter ego. It is his devil that is unleashed. An alarm clock rings, it's a nightmare.
He wakes up at 3 AM. The door is unlocked, Marshall has relapsed, and is now Slim Shady. The usual dosage of grotesque depictions of violence occurs as Shady describes his memory murder. A review of Marshall's experiences with addictions are included prior to relapsing are included. He's up late at night, can't sleep, and wishes to sleep so he returns to his drugs. 3 AM tracks the transformation from Marshall to Slim Shady; by the third verse Shady is in full mode.
He takes us back to the beginning, to the days of his youth, to the day when his addiction began. This act is part of the 12 steps. One must admit they're addicted, that they're powerless. He tells us that through his Mother actions that that he exists today but that despite the outside circumstances he is no different then his Mother. This is less of a critique as it is more of a review. There is no hatred for his mother, only the realizition that this is how events in his life went down, this is how he became who he is today.
The story of his past continues as Shady tells us of the rape he received as a child from his step-father. Always aware of the gossip, on the chorus Shady addresses those who wonder about his mental state. He continues to face what has haunted him.
Shady then focuses the light on the thoughts that race through his head today: failed relationships, hatred and jealousy, and insecurities about accepatance. He demonstrates that he is Shady and he is insane. He gives in to the perceptions.
His continued desires to be accepted are expressed on Hello. Another source of why he turns to addictions are described - women. Tonya transitions the story of external problems from his past to his issues with females.
Shady's past experiences with relationships are described on Same Song & Dance. We Made You continues as a lighter variation of Same Song & Dance, this time focusing on female celebrities.
Medicine Ball continues the tale of addiction and how Shady constantly attacks the world as if it were his playtoy. This all roots from the belief that people have got to hate him.
Paul comes in as a voice of reason, he comes in as the perception of us the audience. Shady responds to the critique by telling the world to accept it, this is who he is, it's a part of Marshall, and dares the audience to delve into the sick thoughts within on Stay Wide Awake. He continues to appeal to this recommendation on the next track Old Time's Sake. The track also begins to address another addiction - Weed. Must Be The Ganga confirms the depth of his addiction.
Mr.Mathers continues to tell us that Mathers has been gone on this cd and Shady has only existed. We know why, Marshall overdosed on medication that he used to try to fall asleep. Deja Vu is no longer Shady. Eminem is back and he tells the story of his recent addiction until his overdose. During the track Shady is present but is underneath as a whisper.
Marshall comes out and tells us his truth on Beautiful. He reviews his career, his position in life, his current actions, his thoughts, and his fears. It's his truth without the devil, without Shady. He's told us his story in the past 16 tracks - his you, his alter ego, his addictions. Marshall knows all this but it doesn't matter, this is therapy. It doesn't matter that he's said this already, that he's expressed his contempt for his mother, his hatred for the world, his desrive to be accepted - none of this matters. This is Marshall Mathers. You are are you. This is what he wants to do. You do what you want to do. He's being himself.
Crack a Bottle is the celebration of this realization, of being yourself, of his career and what he has done. His therapy is nearly done. He has made it through his post-rehab phase. Eminem is ready to come back so he visits Steve Berman. Berman is the audience who's waited for Eminem, who's tired of his antics - Berman represents the world outside of Marshall.
Underground concludes the album. Eminem is back to form. He resorts back into his battle flow, his crazy rhymes, his passion, and he's ready to prove the world he's back. He's admitted to his story and he even makes fun of his own material via Ken Kannif - We Made You's corniness and poppiness is made fune of.
In conclusion of this lyrical analysis, honesty and self-expression is why I dig Encore and it's why I dig Relapse. It's all deliberately planed out. It's the story of Marshall Mather/Eminem/Slim Shady. A story is told of part of what he's been up to the in the past couple of years. His accents are on purpose, his lack of emotion on tracks is on purpose. They all serve to be part of the collective whole. That's why I dig this. It's not just a collection of random tracks that sound hot like on most albums.
As do the beats match what's being spit? I would say yeah they do. Even those more manufactured towards consumer appeal such as We Made You are picked at via Ken Kannif.
True, other artists would have done something different but Eminem made it his own. That's why I dig this shit. He only presents what he knows and doesn't tell us otherwise. He doesn't rap as if he's slinging weight or packing heat or as the hot headed Shady he used to be. He even know the material itself is kind of contrived and tells us this but he doesn't care because it's something he has to go through, this is how he wants to be represented.
I say it's as good as Encore. I'll stick with my og score of 6.5/7 out of ten. Why? I don't know. Lack of re-playability for one. But it's still all dope.
I read this and then listend to the album. Shit makes sense. And pretty much says this album isn't as good as relapse 2 will be. Well i can hope.
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wow.. that engineer and dre mixed the hell out of that bass line from Deja VU.. shit sounds lovely
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Again not his best but I still bump the album. Might grow on me a lil bit.
thats the best way to sum it up. 8)
Yeah my ear for music has evolved enough that I can still enjoy albums from artists even if it is not their best work. I don't go into it listening and expecting MMLP or SSLP, Those are their own albums and both great in their own right.
exactly, i tried to lower my expectations & this actually surpassed mine, so it sounds good to me.
if i went in expecting his best shit, it would have been a major disappointment.
plus its a familar voice with a different look.
to be honest, i kind of dig the hooks on this album; they just fit the song, even if their kind of "weird". they are a good weird. 8)
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can anyone else hear NATE DOGG on that HELLO joint? that beat is the perfect kinda joint for nate to kill the hook on.
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Again not his best but I still bump the album. Might grow on me a lil bit.
thats the best way to sum it up. 8)
Yeah my ear for music has evolved enough that I can still enjoy albums from artists even if it is not their best work. I don't go into it listening and expecting MMLP or SSLP, Those are their own albums and both great in their own right.
exactly, i tried to lower my expectations & this actually surpassed mine, so it sounds good to me.
if i went in expecting his best shit, it would have been a major disappointment.
plus its a familar voice with a different look.
to be honest, i kind of dig the hooks on this album; they just fit the song, even if their kind of "weird". they are a good weird. 8)
Stay Wide Awake he lyrically assualted that track. His cadence was dope on that.
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arite quick listen first listen off this and my thoughts,
Stand out tracks - Underground, beautiful, stay wide awake, bagpipes from baghdad and insane. Beautiful and underground actually have eminem spitting without no wierd shit and he actally is coming good on these tracks. Underground has a heated beat.
Stay wide awake, sounds like sometimes from between the gunit and game era, it has that effect between the drums on the hook and the piano is dope, nice dark dre beat. Eminem is on some accent shit again, makes him barely listenable. Insane and bagpipes from bagdad have dope beats too but again, eminems fucking up.
I would say replapse = fail, as meho said, alot of this shit sounds horrible, first listen is usually the most fresh and there really is no stand out shit on here, sure albums grow and all but on first listen, im not impressed, i felt like skippping alot of shit.
I dont know what to think of eminem as an artist anymore.
Dre came good, a few times very good but its about the whole package, and this on first listen = major fail
pz!
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While Dre beats are very impressive, he really did his thing on this one, he experimented alot and the sound is all over the place. Eminem ruins the majority of the tracks with the retarted accent and even when he uses his normal voice I haven't been impressed. He told his story, being the white rapper and all, it was even under more of a microscope. This will have zero replay value, unless an instrumental cd gets released.
This pretty much sums up what I wrote in my "I just heard Relapse" thread ;)
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relapse= encore 2, i guess y'all were right. wonder what relapse 2 will be like.. ::)
still love the stay wide awake beat though lol
pz
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
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relapse= encore 2, i guess y'all were right. wonder what relapse 2 will be like.. ::)
still love the stay wide awake beat though lol
pz
Relapse 2 is Relapse re-recorded in Em's normal voice
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
people have diff tastes... for some people rapping about lindsey lohan and popping vicodins isnt what we wanna hear
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These beat are too fresh and generic. Most of the beats are different variations of each other (ie: My Mom/Insane)...
May sound dissapointing at first listen but I'm sure these song will grow to be mediocre...
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I got the full album now
holla if you need a link
toss me a link
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A good album for sure . Darker than I thought , but we knew "Slim Shady" was gonna be back with a bullet . But , it does feel like it's missing something. Beats thump , skits are top quality , but the beats have a similarity through out the disc . This will be seen as a solid effort , above average .It just needed a little more personality , maybe a few top notch guest spots to stir it up.
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
people have diff tastes... for some people rapping about lindsey lohan and popping vicodins isnt what we wanna hear
what people wonna hear? Nate Dogg singig abaut geting bitches and he can fuck hes own wife?? Or Hearing Kurupt or Knock rapping abaut gang bang and they never beat some one..what u wonna hear..?
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Well obviously it's much better than Encore, pretty good album.
You can actually listen to the whole album without getting headache.
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
people have diff tastes... for some people rapping about lindsey lohan and popping vicodins isnt what we wanna hear
what people wonna hear? Nate Dogg singig abaut geting bitches and he can fuck hes own wife?? Or Hearing Kurupt or Knock rapping abaut gang bang and they never beat some one..what u wonna hear..?
True shit.
Different taste is one thing but people take their opinions and themselves way too serious. I'd like to see someone on dubcc makes music better and not some FL Studio groove that's a variation of their favorite producers work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8E0CQe2ko
maybe if y'all shorten Relapse to look a little bit like this then y'all all be okay
01 - Steve Berman
02 - Hello
03 - My Mom
04 - Mr. Mathers
05 - Deja Vu
06 - Beautiful
07 - Stay Wide Awake
08 - Insane
09 - Paul
10 - Medicine Ball
11 - Same Song & Same Dance
12 - Underground/Ken Kaniff
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The only reason Dre's production on The Documentary was so fine was it being made for a version of Detox and Game getting the leftovers after the project got scrapped. And, as it goes, 3 of them were originally 50's but that's besides the point because the og intent was for Detox, not Game. That said, Dre did fine with this release. He delivered the goods and had a cohesive product.
Lyrical/creative analysis
Relapse begins with Dr.West. We're dropped into Marshall Mather's checking out of Rehab for his abuse of alcohol and pills. Marshall is having a conversation with Dr.West concerning his concerns of relapsing into addiction post-rehab and controlling himself through the 12-step program. He is encouraged by Dr.West to give into drugs to get through his worries. As the pressure builds on Marshall Dr.West transforms into an alter ego. It is his devil that is unleashed. An alarm clock rings, it's a nightmare.
He wakes up at 3 AM. The door is unlocked, Marshall has relapsed, and is now Slim Shady. The usual dosage of grotesque depictions of violence occurs as Shady describes his memory murder. A review of Marshall's experiences with addictions are included prior to relapsing are included. He's up late at night, can't sleep, and wishes to sleep so he returns to his drugs. 3 AM tracks the transformation from Marshall to Slim Shady; by the third verse Shady is in full mode.
He takes us back to the beginning, to the days of his youth, to the day when his addiction began. This act is part of the 12 steps. One must admit they're addicted, that they're powerless. He tells us that through his Mother actions that that he exists today but that despite the outside circumstances he is no different then his Mother. This is less of a critique as it is more of a review. There is no hatred for his mother, only the realizition that this is how events in his life went down, this is how he became who he is today.
The story of his past continues as Shady tells us of the rape he received as a child from his step-father. Always aware of the gossip, on the chorus Shady addresses those who wonder about his mental state. He continues to face what has haunted him.
Shady then focuses the light on the thoughts that race through his head today: failed relationships, hatred and jealousy, and insecurities about accepatance. He demonstrates that he is Shady and he is insane. He gives in to the perceptions.
His continued desires to be accepted are expressed on Hello. Another source of why he turns to addictions are described - women. Tonya transitions the story of external problems from his past to his issues with females.
Shady's past experiences with relationships are described on Same Song & Dance. We Made You continues as a lighter variation of Same Song & Dance, this time focusing on female celebrities.
Medicine Ball continues the tale of addiction and how Shady constantly attacks the world as if it were his playtoy. This all roots from the belief that people have got to hate him.
Paul comes in as a voice of reason, he comes in as the perception of us the audience. Shady responds to the critique by telling the world to accept it, this is who he is, it's a part of Marshall, and dares the audience to delve into the sick thoughts within on Stay Wide Awake. He continues to appeal to this recommendation on the next track Old Time's Sake. The track also begins to address another addiction - Weed. Must Be The Ganga confirms the depth of his addiction.
Mr.Mathers continues to tell us that Mathers has been gone on this cd and Shady has only existed. We know why, Marshall overdosed on medication that he used to try to fall asleep. Deja Vu is no longer Shady. Eminem is back and he tells the story of his recent addiction until his overdose. During the track Shady is present but is underneath as a whisper.
Marshall comes out and tells us his truth on Beautiful. He reviews his career, his position in life, his current actions, his thoughts, and his fears. It's his truth without the devil, without Shady. He's told us his story in the past 16 tracks - his you, his alter ego, his addictions. Marshall knows all this but it doesn't matter, this is therapy. It doesn't matter that he's said this already, that he's expressed his contempt for his mother, his hatred for the world, his desrive to be accepted - none of this matters. This is Marshall Mathers. You are are you. This is what he wants to do. You do what you want to do. He's being himself.
Crack a Bottle is the celebration of this realization, of being yourself, of his career and what he has done. His therapy is nearly done. He has made it through his post-rehab phase. Eminem is ready to come back so he visits Steve Berman. Berman is the audience who's waited for Eminem, who's tired of his antics - Berman represents the world outside of Marshall.
Underground concludes the album. Eminem is back to form. He resorts back into his battle flow, his crazy rhymes, his passion, and he's ready to prove the world he's back. He's admitted to his story and he even makes fun of his own material via Ken Kannif - We Made You's corniness and poppiness is made fune of.
In conclusion of this lyrical analysis, honesty and self-expression is why I dig Encore and it's why I dig Relapse. It's all deliberately planed out. It's the story of Marshall Mather/Eminem/Slim Shady. A story is told of part of what he's been up to the in the past couple of years. His accents are on purpose, his lack of emotion on tracks is on purpose. They all serve to be part of the collective whole. That's why I dig this. It's not just a collection of random tracks that sound hot like on most albums.
As do the beats match what's being spit? I would say yeah they do. Even those more manufactured towards consumer appeal such as We Made You are picked at via Ken Kannif.
True, other artists would have done something different but Eminem made it his own. That's why I dig this shit. He only presents what he knows and doesn't tell us otherwise. He doesn't rap as if he's slinging weight or packing heat or as the hot headed Shady he used to be. He even know the material itself is kind of contrived and tells us this but he doesn't care because it's something he has to go through, this is how he wants to be represented.
I say it's as good as Encore. I'll stick with my og score of 6.5/7 out of ten. Why? I don't know. Lack of re-playability for one. But it's still all dope.
I read this and then listend to the album. Shit makes sense. And pretty much says this album isn't as good as relapse 2 will be. Well i can hope.
Yeah it sounds like Relapse 2 is where Marshalls gonna come back and murder shit. Whos the cat who mixed all of Dre's beats?
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These are probably the best Dre beats since The Big Bang.
The only problem with this album is Eminem's sudden lack of content. The beats are insane, the flow is still sick (aside from the accent). Content never used to be a problem for him. After 8 Mile told his story, he had nothing left to say.
He should of rapped about Proof, I thought Proof's death would give his music some content.
+1 i was just thinking the same thing as i listen to medicine ball.....half way thru the album and im enjoying it for the most part, and thats cuz im not over thinking or analyzing anything, just killing sum tall cans and chillin'.....way better than encore, but not better than any of his other albums.....love the production, and i thought same song and dance was dope for the record
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Okay, here's a quick review, and I will do an extended one better. I must say, it's a totally different experience listening to this album on your Ipod or bumpin it in your ride. Because this shit BANGS! so if you bump it in your ride it's a whole lot better. Also, Imagine if Eminem were a new artist and we heard this album, we'd all be talking about how sick his flow is and how great the album sounds.
1. Intro- Very nice lead in to "3Am"
2. "3 A.M"- 9 out of 10 -Sick flow, horror rap, cinematic. Great beat, rhymes, the content is a little too loose, doesn't tell a clear story.
3. "My Mom"- 7.5 out of 10- this shit bangs... one of the better content songs on the album. Reminds me a little bit of his old unreleased track "Our House" although Our House was a better song with better content, it didn't bump like this track does.
4. "Insane"- 2 out of 10- Didn't like this song. Couldn't really stomach the content, and the sound couldn't make up for it.
5. "Bagpipes From Baghdad" 9 out of 10- THIS SHIT BANGS LIKE A MUTHERFUCKER!!!!!!! The beat is a MONSTER! Dre used some middle eastern sounds and Eminem flows his ass off.
6. "Hello" (will review this one later)
7. "Tonya" skit
8. "Same Song And Dance"- 2 out of 10- Didn't like this, I guess he was talking about Lindsey Lohan or Britney's drug problem or something
9. "Medicine Ball" -9 out of 10- I think this is that next level sound we were looking for.
10. "Paul" skit
11. "Stay Wide Awake"- 9 out of 10- next level shit
12. "Old Times Sake"- 4 out of 10- don't know why people liked this song. It was simple, the hook was the best part and it was only decent.
13. "Must Be The Ganga"- 8 out of 10- starts out great, second verse kind of weakens. Should of been a great smokin song but he may have ruined it with some of his lyrics, not sure.
14. "Mr. Mathers"- skit
15. "Deja Vu"- 9.5 out of 10- Solid content. Not just him trying to say fucked up shit, but this song was actually a complete train of thought from beggining to end.
16. "Beautiful" - 9 out of 10- Kind of reminds me of "Mocking Bird". Pretty good concept, last verse is great. Very personal track sort of like something off of his Eminem Show Album. Kind of like "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" but not quite as good as that.
17. "Crack A Bottle"- 8.5 out of 10- Don't know why this song caught so much hate. It's pretty bangin!!
18. "Steve Berman" skit, very funny, very true... lol
19. "Underground" 8 out of 10- beat is a MONSTER, maybe I should give it a higher rating but I haven't listened to it enough. Obviously he was going for a similar theme as "Criminal" to end his MMLP. It's not as great as "Criminal" obviously, but it's very dope.
(by the way I'm one track short because all 20 couldn't fit on my cd, so I had to cut one so I cut "We Made You")
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after my first listen i gotta say..album is solid for real.
starting again, gotta check one more time
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this is unlistenable, hes voice is annoying, waste of great beats
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Also, Imagine if Eminem were a new artist and we heard this album, we'd all be talking about how sick his flow is and how great the album sounds.
^Truest thing written in this thread!
I'm feeling this album. I don't really want to compare it to Eminems other albums just yet, but this is solid stuff. The beats are on point and the flow is insane. My only objection is the same as most others: the accent is annoying as hell. Imagine how this album would bang if he used his normal voice.
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can someone send me a link plz?
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My quick opinion on the whole album after one listen :
Damn, Dr. Dre did it again !!! 8)
I mean, seriously, the album is a one hour long BANGER ! It's pure dope, like an eminem version of detox...
After that, yeah em has not changed and is still a bit childish sometimes ... but anyway
On the whole, the album is an instant classic in terms of production, as it's one of the most perfectly produced hip hop albums of all time.
Dre made it sound crazy ! DETOOOOXXXXXXXXXXXX BABY, can't wait
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i think the last song is prewiew how relapse 2 gonna sound
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I originally said that they should just release the instrumental of the album after hearing the leaked tracks. The album is better than I expected though. Is that saying much? Probably not, because I haven't been feeling Eminem since the 8 Mile OST. The accent kills the experience for the most part, but they aren't bothering me as much as they initially were since after a couple of tracks leaked it was clear that asking for a song without the accent was going to be too much to ask for. I can't see myself bumping the album partially because of the accent, but I suppose it works for the whole concept.
If an instrumental album drops, I'll buy that. If it doesn't then hopefully the instrumentals will leak. Dre came through and really did his thing from a production standpoint. It's a shame that some of them were wasted for some silly sub-par songs, but I'm sure we'll be hearing some freestyles from other artists spitting on them soon enough.
I do like the cinematic feel to it though. Some movies you can watch over and over and never get tired of it. This isn't one of those movies though. This is a movie where you've seen it once or twice and you're content with that. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting, so I'm not mad at it. It's just not something that I think I would listen to more than a few times with the exception of a few tracks.
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Well, Khalil has been workin with Dre for a long time, maybe he is responsible for some of the Dr. Dre "sounds" we all love. In 2003 Bad Azz said that Dr. Dre got this guy called Khalil ghostproducing for him.
if anything, Khalil serves as an inspiration for Dre ( for Detox)
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wow, this album is full of shit.
not that i expected a great album, but not like this.
i'll be listening to Deja Vu & Underground some more to see if it passes the test.
i already got Crack a bottle; so they put this on here after all
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I hope the second "Relapse" is full of dark songs like "Stay Wide Awake", for real that beat is fuckin dope :o
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Stay Wide Awake is pure crack indeed :o
This cd brings one good thing. It restored my faith in Dre and even his co-production partnership with Mark Batson. Expects a Dre- Day reply in 3,2,1... :)
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Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
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Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
What solo beats has Mark Batson made? Only produced songs with Dre?
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Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
What solo beats has Mark Batson made? Only produced songs with Dre?
"Hold Down the Block" off Nas' Hip Hop is Dead for example...
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Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
What solo beats has Mark Batson made? Only produced songs with Dre?
"Hold Down the Block" off Nas' Hip Hop is Dead for example...
Street Theology
Stay Wide Awake is pure crack indeed :o
This cd brings one good thing. It restored my faith in Dre and even his co-production partnership with Mark Batson. Expects a Dre- Day reply in 3,2,1... :)
Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
lol! :D
well, why can't you just say that you like certain productions & dislike the others?
why pay so much attention to musicians/partners?
also, for once make up your mind! ;D
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Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
What solo beats has Mark Batson made? Only produced songs with Dre?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=126880.0
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
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Y'all need to chill with the comments, this album is far from awful. Some of you expect them to create magic everytime they come out. The beats are great on lots of songs so it cant be awful for that reason alone.
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Y'all need to chill with the comments, this album is far from awful. Some of you expect them to create magic everytime they come out. The beats are great on lots of songs so it cant be awful for that reason alone.
why?
i'm just being honest, based on what it is
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Actually, looking at the credits the best tracks are Dre solos. So I'm still in doubts about Batson.
What solo beats has Mark Batson made? Only produced songs with Dre?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=126880.0
Thanks, should have checked out the vault. Anybody what Mike Elizondo is workin on these days?
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
people have diff tastes... for some people rapping about lindsey lohan and popping vicodins isnt what we wanna hear
what people wonna hear? Nate Dogg singig abaut geting bitches and he can fuck hes own wife?? Or Hearing Kurupt or Knock rapping abaut gang bang and they never beat some one..what u wonna hear..?
True shit.
Different taste is one thing but people take their opinions and themselves way too serious. I'd like to see someone on dubcc makes music better and not some FL Studio groove that's a variation of their favorite producers work.
ugh, worst defense ever
if all critics had to be able to be better than what they're reviewing then there wouldnt be any.
eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
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'Deja Vu' is the best track on the album. one of the only tracks where the production and the delivery actually fit together and eminem isn't doing a stupid voice or a terrible hook.
the beats i like the most - 'Medicine Ball' and 'Must Be The Ganja' 'My Mom' and 'Hello'. i can think of artists who would do a much better job on these though. for example - 'Must Be The Ganja' would be the IDEAL beat for snoop or even knoc ;D
i got a feeling Dre-Day will be into 'Underground' for the big opera/orchestra dramatic tones.
hell yeah, this shit is :o and Em's flow is :bomb: :rock:
this track is the highlight of the album.
i like Deja Vu too; did Dre flip the french sample?
Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
Whos the cat who mixed all of Dre's beats?
Dre's engineer
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Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Well, Khalil has been workin with Dre for a long time, maybe he is responsible for some of the Dr. Dre "sounds" we all love. In 2003 Bad Azz said that Dr. Dre got this guy called Khalil ghostproducing for him.
if anything, Khalil serves as an inspiration for Dre ( for Detox)
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underground is the best shit on this cd!!!
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
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Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
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mu opinion on the album - 7 dope songs, rest of it is garbage... i hate all the drama songs. And Beautiful is a fuckin garbage.
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
people have diff tastes... for some people rapping about lindsey lohan and popping vicodins isnt what we wanna hear
what people wonna hear? Nate Dogg singig abaut geting bitches and he can fuck hes own wife?? Or Hearing Kurupt or Knock rapping abaut gang bang and they never beat some one..what u wonna hear..?
True shit.
Different taste is one thing but people take their opinions and themselves way too serious. I'd like to see someone on dubcc makes music better and not some FL Studio groove that's a variation of their favorite producers work.
ugh, worst defense ever
if all critics had to be able to be better than what they're reviewing then there wouldnt be any.
eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
why u cheking it? see i dont check yo fav raper,he's garbage 8) :D
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bagpipes from baghdad bangs also.
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
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I listened through the album, and it's pretty much what I expected it to be based on the singles.
Production bangs, without a doubt. But with Dr. Dre and the team lacing all the beats except one, that's hardly a surprise.
Eminem comes off good - not mindblowing stuff, but it's the type of Slim Shady stuff you're allowed to expect from the man by now. The flows are on point and there's a consistent theme of insanity/drug addiction/trauma going on throughout - unlike on Encore, where the tracks weren't connected by any theme. And while Encore had a lot of bad stuff and a few gems, Relapse has just good stuff and a few gems. The lyrics aren't that hard hitting on all tracks and sometimes dude goes off tangent, but those lapses aren't that serious that they'd ruin anything. Em uses some accents here and there, but at least to me they weren't annoying this time around.
Em delivers a solid dose of Slim Shady on Relapse - the drug addicted psycho that he is. There isn't anything radically new in the whole concept - but what's done is done well. But frankly, this is Eminem's 5th album - I'm not expecting him to surprise me anymore. I leave that to the new cats. 'Cause let's face it - if the old favourites stopped doing what we expect them to do, we'd feel they're selling out. Redman has alwyays been Redman, Biggie was always Biggie, Ice Cube is always Ice Cube - and Em is always Em.
So all in all - a solid package of dope beats, never-tiring flows and a solid theme throughout. The lyrics aren't always quite up to par and thematically there's nothing really new here, but overall Relapse was a good experience. Just like I expected - not bad, not excellent, but good. It'll get the occasional spin once added to my collection, but won't get the special treatment the classics do. If I were to give it a number... let's say a 7 /10. Maybe even an 8 when the mood/company/weather is just right.
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Oh, and to add one more thing - there's only one track that sticks out in a negative way: the first single "We Made You". And it sticks out for exactly what it is - the last minute, pop-track addition that they thought they needed to have on the album.
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
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10 pages of discussion about a most likely subpar album... *smh*
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again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
Well, if you can believe Sam Sneed, Daz Dillinger, Snoop Dogg, J.Flexx, Bad Azz and some others, Dre "produces" it doesn't mean he makes the beat.
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can sum1 link me with the album please?
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
Wow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.
Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
people have diff tastes... for some people rapping about lindsey lohan and popping vicodins isnt what we wanna hear
what people wonna hear? Nate Dogg singig abaut geting bitches and he can fuck hes own wife?? Or Hearing Kurupt or Knock rapping abaut gang bang and they never beat some one..what u wonna hear..?
True shit.
Different taste is one thing but people take their opinions and themselves way too serious. I'd like to see someone on dubcc makes music better and not some FL Studio groove that's a variation of their favorite producers work.
ugh, worst defense ever
if all critics had to be able to be better than what they're reviewing then there wouldnt be any.
eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
why u cheking it? see i dont check yo fav raper,he's garbage 8) :D
worst trolling ever?
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can sum1 link me with the album please?
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can someone send me apm with a link please?
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Eminem really fell off with his hook writing on this album... nothing memorable
Only chorus that works with the a beat is Must Be The Ganja...
...Underground is just epic :o
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What's with everybody being a tuff critic? It's good music, it wasn't meant 2 be mind shattering or the soundtrack for world domination.
Every1 is a critic nowadays :-\
Gonna give the album a listen just now, not taken alot of the opinions on here seriously
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
Wow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.
Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.
you just proved that you don't know shit about producing.
i'm not able to gain knowledge for you, you need to do that yourself before running your mouth.
also, you can stick with your thick headed version of the truth, but as i said, the reality is that you're still trying to beat around the bush.
that's not an assumption: it's just how you act.
by the way, you got it wrong if you think that this is about Dre: i hate bias & i especially hate it when someone denies it and covers it. so don't blame me for confronting you with it; don't do the crime, if you can't do the time
so Dre doesn't need to do anything, as you made a mistake, not Dr.Dre. you're stuck with a misconception.
it's you that needs to change.
you need to have the balls to shallow your pride.
so don't even bother contacting me about this, unless you've finally realised that you were wrong.
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I don't why but that shit in "Medicine Ball" about Christopher Reeves makes me laugh, i'm a bit drunk right now so that might be the reason.
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
Wow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.
Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.
you just proved that you don't know shit about producing.
i'm not able to gain knowledge for you, you need to do that yourself before running your mouth.
also, you can stick with your thick headed version of the truth, but as i said, the reality is that you're still trying to beat around the bush.
that's not an assumption: it's just how you act.
by the way, you got it wrong if you think that this is about Dre: i hate bias & i especially hate it when someone denies it and covers it. so don't blame me for confronting you with it; don't do the crime, if you can't do the time
so Dre doesn't need to do anything, as you made a mistake, not Dr.Dre. you're stuck with a misconception.
it's you that needs to change.
you need to have the balls to shallow your pride.
so don't even bother contacting me about this, unless you've finally realised that you were wrong.
LMAO!! You're rather amusing. Thanks for my lesson. I'm highly enlightened now, massa! Appreciate it, Dre-Day.
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i love how there is so much defensiveness against any negative opinions. discounting the trolls and general stupidity, it's obvious that people are literally STARVED for some good music.
i won't front - from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.
will relapse 2 be encore part 3? i wouldn't bet against it.
and that 'same song and dance' track is really terrible, a bad look for dawaun parker.
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from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.
That's true. Dre cosigned that annoying accent. I give it 2/10 because Deja Vu, Underground and Crack A Bottle
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i love how there is so much defensiveness against any negative opinions. obviously discounting the trolls and general stupidity, it's obvious that people are literally STARVED for some good music.
i won't front - from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.
will relapse 2 be encore part 3? i wouldn't bet against it.
and that 'same song and dance' track is really terrible, a bad look for dawaun parker.
Aint that the truth, dre is a producer, and i assume exec producer of the album, he did his thang on the beats to a certain extent, and some of the beats are fire but if he lets eminem get away with the shit he is sptting on here, he is fucking up as a PRODUCER, not a beat maker. I dont know why, maybe dre dont tell eminem shit because he listens to eminems shit and thinks its crack or the other arguement is that he cant tell him, he probably just lets him do his thang and is kinda scared...who knows...If it was a new cat and spitting like this with all them accents and shit, dre would tell him to get the fuck outta the studio
As for people being critical, people on here have listened to hiphop for many years and have an ear beyond eminem and his lil crew so people who are being critical without bias have the right to speak on it. Its truth, people are starved for great music right now and this aint great music.
Sure the beats at times arre very good, after giving the album another few spins, there are some heaters on it, but some of the stuff eminem is spitting, its almost embarrassing.
The beat to that baghdad joint is a monster, insane has a nice beat, my mom is kool, stay wide awake has a monster beat and underground is straight heat! Even eminem comes correct on that beat, its energetic, not some sleepy bishop shit, he kills that track.
Some tracks sound a lil iller to me today, i aint gon' front, but moreso for the beat.
Relapse 2 = encore 3 at the moment is not a bad guess, i dont see how people can let him get away with some of the shit he did on here and then expect him to spit straight fire next time around.
IF relapse 2 is him not acting a retard with his voice and spitting ill flows and hooks and making great music in general, i'll be glad because hiphop needs its bigger cats to come correct, but this aint givin hiphop no rep.
Still its not all wackness , some fire tracks on it, some ill beats but its just not a major hiphop album IMO.
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what happened to the dre that would make dudes rerecord words 100s of times?
he gives a pass to this?
why.
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imma put up a review of this after a few more spins
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wow, this album is full of shit.
lmao, thats funny in a blunt sort of way
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Ok. I gave the album a few listens before I analyzed it for review. So here are my thoughts…
I don’t like his accent or high pitched singing. I find it EXTREMELY annoying and practically unlistenable. Like many have said here already there are a lot of songs that could’ve been so much better if he only stopped with the accent and high-pitched singing (he doesn’t have the excuse here for “experimenting” because he did those particular things on ENCORE and most people hated it).
However…
In my humble opinion this is definitely better than ENCORE. Regardless of a failed attempt to be creative or despite some people’s negative reaction to his “foul mouthed” content, his flow, word-play and lyrical delivery is crazy… and continues to hold him as one of Hip Hop’s greatest MCs. Before the haters jump on me for that comment, remember, content doesn’t determine your lyrical ability. If I were to be like “oh there he goes talking about guns and selling drugs, and fucking bitches on every song” and then be like “lyrically he’s garbage” than I would believe people like Biggie or Big L are trash (which obviously isn’t the case). Another important factor is the fact that Em is no longer new. He’s 10 years in the game so naturally, people who followed his music from the beginning will not be as shocked and entertained as the newer, younger fans will from his subject matter. Plus he’s a famous star so you know how people generally root for the underdog. But there is definitely some things he really needs to cut out… seriously.
On a positive note towards the LP, I respect that he and Dre attempted a new approach to some of the songs. It might not have worked for most, but the fact that they’re rich, famous and vets... I give kudos for the attempt. They really don’t have to do anything anymore but they do. There are a few songs that I liked… with my favorites currently being “Déjà vu”, “My Mom” and “Underground”. Those three songs actually remind me of the back in the day (’99-’00)especially, “Déjà vu”. The music behind that track and Em’s verses on it matched well and totally took me back to Aftermath’s golden age for a bit. “Bagpipes from Baghdad” I thought was entertaining. Slightly diferrent but with Shady’s flow over a banging beat from Dre was a welcoming refreshment. Listen to most mainstream artists today that they play on the radio and none of them can possible do a song like the aforementioned tracks. Straight Up. Oh, not to mention that this album actually had a theme and stayed true to it all the way through. Who does that these days? VERY few. Em is also storytelling again which is something I missed from both TES and ENCORE.
So yes the album is definitely flawed and possible a disappointment to those expecting “the second coming” from Eminem. But this is nowhere near the hate it’s getting here nor is it as bad as his previous solo piece. It has it’s moments… good and not so good.
IMHO
* ducks while members shoot their E-Guns at me...
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I think while the negative critics are more than deserving some people will overreact. I think it's because of 2 things:
a) The accent and goofy shit. It's so annyoing/depressing because we know he has talent and the voice yet he delibretly fucks it up. It's like Kobe choping off one of his arms and saying "that's how I'll play from now on".
b) Mainstream rap in general. Mainstream rap is at it's lowest point imo. There's no big events anymore, albums come and go. They are filled with tons of guests, hoping on whatever is popular at the moment and 30 different producers. There's no vibe, no concept, just random tracks thrown together. And every album that comes is one dissapointment after another. The last time a quality mainstream album dropped was Ulitmate Victory, which is sad, since it's been 2 years.
BTW I also don't understand how can Dre let Eminem fuck it up like this on purpose. What happened to "makes you go over a track 500 times" ? Maybe he feels like Em (and 50) made him so much money, he doesn't really care.
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When you think about it, We Made You is actually one of the best tracks on the album, now thats saying something.
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Expensive sounding beats without much edge or bite. No good Andre.
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I banged this album when we all went out last night. It sounded good to me
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WTF IS A CRITIC ANYWAY? A CRITIC IS SOMEBODY WHO CANT DO WHAT YOU DO SO THEY WANNA CRITICIZE YO SHIT !! - Martin Lawrence
if any of you would have an ounce of the talent that dr dre has as a producer, we'd know who you are by now.
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The only reason Dre's production on The Documentary was so fine was it being made for a version of Detox and Game getting the leftovers after the project got scrapped. And, as it goes, 3 of them were originally 50's but that's besides the point because the og intent was for Detox, not Game. That said, Dre did fine with this release. He delivered the goods and had a cohesive product.
Lyrical/creative analysis
Relapse begins with Dr.West. We're dropped into Marshall Mather's checking out of Rehab for his abuse of alcohol and pills. Marshall is having a conversation with Dr.West concerning his concerns of relapsing into addiction post-rehab and controlling himself through the 12-step program. He is encouraged by Dr.West to give into drugs to get through his worries. As the pressure builds on Marshall Dr.West transforms into an alter ego. It is his devil that is unleashed. An alarm clock rings, it's a nightmare.
He wakes up at 3 AM. The door is unlocked, Marshall has relapsed, and is now Slim Shady. The usual dosage of grotesque depictions of violence occurs as Shady describes his memory murder. A review of Marshall's experiences with addictions are included prior to relapsing are included. He's up late at night, can't sleep, and wishes to sleep so he returns to his drugs. 3 AM tracks the transformation from Marshall to Slim Shady; by the third verse Shady is in full mode.
He takes us back to the beginning, to the days of his youth, to the day when his addiction began. This act is part of the 12 steps. One must admit they're addicted, that they're powerless. He tells us that through his Mother actions that that he exists today but that despite the outside circumstances he is no different then his Mother. This is less of a critique as it is more of a review. There is no hatred for his mother, only the realizition that this is how events in his life went down, this is how he became who he is today.
The story of his past continues as Shady tells us of the rape he received as a child from his step-father. Always aware of the gossip, on the chorus Shady addresses those who wonder about his mental state. He continues to face what has haunted him.
Shady then focuses the light on the thoughts that race through his head today: failed relationships, hatred and jealousy, and insecurities about accepatance. He demonstrates that he is Shady and he is insane. He gives in to the perceptions.
His continued desires to be accepted are expressed on Hello. Another source of why he turns to addictions are described - women. Tonya transitions the story of external problems from his past to his issues with females.
Shady's past experiences with relationships are described on Same Song & Dance. We Made You continues as a lighter variation of Same Song & Dance, this time focusing on female celebrities.
Medicine Ball continues the tale of addiction and how Shady constantly attacks the world as if it were his playtoy. This all roots from the belief that people have got to hate him.
Paul comes in as a voice of reason, he comes in as the perception of us the audience. Shady responds to the critique by telling the world to accept it, this is who he is, it's a part of Marshall, and dares the audience to delve into the sick thoughts within on Stay Wide Awake. He continues to appeal to this recommendation on the next track Old Time's Sake. The track also begins to address another addiction - Weed. Must Be The Ganga confirms the depth of his addiction.
Mr.Mathers continues to tell us that Mathers has been gone on this cd and Shady has only existed. We know why, Marshall overdosed on medication that he used to try to fall asleep. Deja Vu is no longer Shady. Eminem is back and he tells the story of his recent addiction until his overdose. During the track Shady is present but is underneath as a whisper.
Marshall comes out and tells us his truth on Beautiful. He reviews his career, his position in life, his current actions, his thoughts, and his fears. It's his truth without the devil, without Shady. He's told us his story in the past 16 tracks - his you, his alter ego, his addictions. Marshall knows all this but it doesn't matter, this is therapy. It doesn't matter that he's said this already, that he's expressed his contempt for his mother, his hatred for the world, his desrive to be accepted - none of this matters. This is Marshall Mathers. You are are you. This is what he wants to do. You do what you want to do. He's being himself.
Crack a Bottle is the celebration of this realization, of being yourself, of his career and what he has done. His therapy is nearly done. He has made it through his post-rehab phase. Eminem is ready to come back so he visits Steve Berman. Berman is the audience who's waited for Eminem, who's tired of his antics - Berman represents the world outside of Marshall.
Underground concludes the album. Eminem is back to form. He resorts back into his battle flow, his crazy rhymes, his passion, and he's ready to prove the world he's back. He's admitted to his story and he even makes fun of his own material via Ken Kannif - We Made You's corniness and poppiness is made fune of.
In conclusion of this lyrical analysis, honesty and self-expression is why I dig Encore and it's why I dig Relapse. It's all deliberately planed out. It's the story of Marshall Mather/Eminem/Slim Shady. A story is told of part of what he's been up to the in the past couple of years. His accents are on purpose, his lack of emotion on tracks is on purpose. They all serve to be part of the collective whole. That's why I dig this. It's not just a collection of random tracks that sound hot like on most albums.
As do the beats match what's being spit? I would say yeah they do. Even those more manufactured towards consumer appeal such as We Made You are picked at via Ken Kannif.
True, other artists would have done something different but Eminem made it his own. That's why I dig this shit. He only presents what he knows and doesn't tell us otherwise. He doesn't rap as if he's slinging weight or packing heat or as the hot headed Shady he used to be. He even know the material itself is kind of contrived and tells us this but he doesn't care because it's something he has to go through, this is how he wants to be represented.
I say it's as good as Encore. I'll stick with my og score of 6.5/7 out of ten. Why? I don't know. Lack of re-playability for one. But it's still all dope.
I read this and then listend to the album. Shit makes sense. And pretty much says this album isn't as good as relapse 2 will be. Well i can hope.
Good analysis, I was thinking as I heard it that it's a concept album of some sort. I was also going to address that maybe the whole use of the "accent" was due to an identity crisis/split personality angle thrown into the concept. Who knows, if I'm not mistaken the closer "Underground" does not feature the accent? I don't remember. But if so, then maybe there will be no accent on Relapse 2, and it was only on this album because it had something to do with the concept.
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I hope the industry copies his formula of ONLY a guest or 2. Not 10+
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i love how there is so much defensiveness against any negative opinions. discounting the trolls and general stupidity, it's obvious that people are literally STARVED for some good music.
i won't front - from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.
will relapse 2 be encore part 3? i wouldn't bet against it.
and that 'same song and dance' track is really terrible, a bad look for dawaun parker.
You're accusations to those that defend the music or provide counter points to why Relapse isn't bad is that we're starved for quality music? Come on, you're not giving us enough credit. Starved? That's laughable. Maybe! Just maybe we don't think his vocal and his content is terrible. Maybe we - now I'm transition from we to I - I actually think this is a quality release. The same way I think Encore wasn't terrible. I think it's a dope concept record about his past couple years of his life.
When I read some of the critics complaints about his content I'm convinced they're not listening to the songs. A lot of the critics focus on something such as his comments on Christopher Reeves but they miss the message and overall point to the song. There's a focus on individual tracks compared to the comprehensive whole - which is fine, to be able to put a track on repeat is nice but not all music is supposed to be that way.
Then the argument that another rapper could've done justice to the beat better. Um, right! That could be said nearly for any beat.
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I've just read that analysis. Very interesting indeed. It's a sick concept on the other hand it could be just something an Eminem groupie came up with to justify several tracks. We'll see if it's true once Relapse 2 drops. I still don't see the reason for accent though, he could just leave it at bizzare lyrics and it would be much better.
But if it's true, that's a great concept.
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Just to add, I love the 3AM video. Dope.
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When you think about it, We Made You is actually one of the best tracks on the album, now thats saying something.
wtf? :loco: FAIL
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Can I be an Eminem groupie if I don't even listen to his first 4 releases? Infinite to Eminem Show. I've heard'em all and respect them but I don't bump them.
I feel weird because I only bump Encore and Relapse. Both albums I defend because I enjoy them and, particularly Encore gets a lot of hate for, what I see, as silly reasons. I'm a groupie because of this?
I'm also willing to admit that I when I listen to music I make a film in my mind and that should be obvious because I wrote out my entire perspective of the cd. I laid out in how I interpreted the music. It's there, you've got ears, and you can tell me if I'm wrong. I'm open to it. We all hear differently. I could easily be reaching so the film in my head is complete.
You tell me how you hear shit.
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Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. 8)
you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.
ask Matty
Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.
Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss :laugh: :'(
It's neither ;)
I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks :-\
Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss ;D
you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.
The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
like who?
Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time :P
to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. :-[
i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person :P
cause i can write pages about that too ;)
but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there
How is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.
Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.
also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?
by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.
I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.
LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.
no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.
you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.
we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something
Wow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.
Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.
you just proved that you don't know shit about producing.
i'm not able to gain knowledge for you, you need to do that yourself before running your mouth.
also, you can stick with your thick headed version of the truth, but as i said, the reality is that you're still trying to beat around the bush.
that's not an assumption: it's just how you act.
by the way, you got it wrong if you think that this is about Dre: i hate bias & i especially hate it when someone denies it and covers it. so don't blame me for confronting you with it; don't do the crime, if you can't do the time
so Dre doesn't need to do anything, as you made a mistake, not Dr.Dre. you're stuck with a misconception.
it's you that needs to change.
you need to have the balls to shallow your pride.
so don't even bother contacting me about this, unless you've finally realised that you were wrong.
LMAO!! You're rather amusing. Thanks for my lesson. I'm highly enlightened now, massa! Appreciate it, Dre-Day.
well i hope for you that you didn't just laugh at me sarcastically, and actually learned a lesson.
otherwise you keep running into people unnecessarily.
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hey Action! chill out. sounds like your digging this record without being swept up in the intiial hype, so good on you. im in the starved for good music camp myself and this doesn't hit the spot. i think the lack of quality releases is a big factor for people dropping their standards and thinking records like this are better than they actually are. i'm not an eminem fan but i expected better results with dre producing the whole thing.
you didn't think encore was terrible...well thats good! and i'm being straight, i'm glad somebody liked it cause it was wasted on my ears.
having said that, anyone feeling this is definitely starved for good music cause RELAPSE IS A PILE OF CRAP!!! nah i'm joking. or maybe im HATING :laugh:
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When you think about it, We Made You is actually one of the best tracks on the album, now thats saying something.
wtf? :loco: FAIL
VICTORY!!!!!!
No seriously. When you listen to it a few times its a banging tune.
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i love how there is so much defensiveness against any negative opinions. discounting the trolls and general stupidity, it's obvious that people are literally STARVED for some good music.
i won't front - from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.
will relapse 2 be encore part 3? i wouldn't bet against it.
and that 'same song and dance' track is really terrible, a bad look for dawaun parker.
maybe you should make a topic about it :laugh:
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eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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hey Action! chill out. sounds like your digging this record without being swept up in the intiial hype, so good on you. im in the starved for good music camp myself and this doesn't hit the spot. i think the lack of quality releases is a big factor for people dropping their standards and thinking records like that are better than they actually are. i'm not an eminem fan but i expected better results with dre producing the whole thing.
you didn't think encore was terrible...well thats good! and i'm being straight, i'm glad somebody liked it cause it was wasted on my ears.
having said that, anyone feeling this is definitely starved for good music cause RELAPSE IS A PILE OF CRAP!!! nah i'm joking. or maybe im HATING :laugh:
I dig I dig. I'm just discussing with a little heat. I most def respect your opinion because you're not on some hater shit. I'm feeling weird for liking music that everybody is hating on. Ya dig? Feeling like I got to defend my ears which I got to admit are pretty shitty. I got this hearing problem where I can like about anything if I listened to it enough.
Anyways, that's my word, I'm done discussing Em and shit.
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well +1 for having a strong opinion and being able to explain it in detail and defend it. and i wouldn't worry about people like me with their heavily negative opnions on this (i over-do it on purpose) cause you can like what the fuck you want. i know most people don't know why i'm feeling half the shit i think is great but that's because its my ears and i'm very particular ;]
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well your ears are full of shit too
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fuck you :laugh:
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fuck you :laugh:
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eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
I'll bite.
From "Underground", the track most people are saying is the best:
(I jacked these lyrics from somewhere else)
Sixty sluts all of ‘em dying from mass asphyxia
After they sip piss through a Christopher Reeves sippy cup
dixy cups toxins boxes of oxy pads
enough oxycotin to send a ****ing ox to rehab
jacking off to a hockey mask at a boxing match
****s about to get extra messy especially when
I flex again and throw a ****ing lesbian in wet cement
So ******* ******* ******* raggedy Ann and Andy
NO raggedy Andy and Andy no it can't be, it can't be
Yes it can be the ****ing anti christ is back Danny
its Satan in black satin panties
this is Amityville calamity got damnit insanity pills
fanny pack filled with xanax
through every nook and cranny
lookin for trannys milk and cookies spilt on my silk negligee looky
Razor balades wit me to make you bleed
cases of mabeline make up lay on the table of weed
slim shady **** sounds like a fable to me
until he jumps out the ****ing toilet when you're taking a pee
Six seman samples Seventeen strands of hair
Found in the back of a van after the shoot at Vanity Fair
Hannah Montana prepare to elope with a can opener
And be cut open like cantaloupe with canopy beds
With glad bags, yeah glad to be back
Bitin’ into a ****ing Vicodin like I ‘am viking
Oh, lightning strike it might be a ****ing sign I need a psychic
Evaluation, **** Jason it’s Friday the nineteenth
That means it’s just a regular day
And this is the kind of **** I think of regularly
****ing Lesbians shouldn’t of had her legs in the way
Now she’s pregnant and gay
Missing both legs and begging to stay.
Hit a fag with onions
Then split a bag of Funions
Cannibal shooting animal
Out of a cannon and have him catapult at an adult
To turn Halloween back to a Trick of Treat holiday
Have Micheal Myers looking like a liar
Swipe his powers replace his knife with flowers and a stack of flyers/
Hit Jason Vorheys with a forty
Stuck a repository up his ass
And made him tell me a story
Gave Hannibal Elector a ****ing nectarine
And sat him in the ****ing fruit and vegetable section and gave him a lecture
Walked up elm street with a ****ing whiffle bat drew
Fought Freddy Krougar and Edward Scissor hands too
And came out with a little scratch oww
Looking like I got into a ****ing pillow fight with a triple fat goose/
lets face it, this is garbage of the highest calibre. amateur bullshit, if some random kid you knew was spittin these same rhymes you'd see them for what they are.
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Action, I had no idea you wrote that. I thought you got it from some Eminem forum. It's definetly a logical analysis but I will remain a sceptic untill I hear Relapse 2.
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Action, I had no idea you wrote that. I thought you got it from some Eminem forum. It's definetly a logical analysis but I will remain a sceptic untill I hear Relapse 2.
Yeah, I'm a feel like a fool if Relapse 2 isn't. I might be giving this album too much credit.
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I thought Em had grown up after Proof's death.
I'm not sure if I wanna listen to this again.
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Ive given this a proper listen on a proper stereo and this shit goes hard, yeah teh contents up to fuck all but thats cos hes slim shady, this is just like a 2009 version of the slim shady LP...
The 12 step program idea was dope, and dre murders every single beat, the last songs are where teh content is and this in my opinion is gonna be reflective of relapse 2, give this a few more spins in a decent sound system, Ems flowing his ass off, he may not be talking bout much, but it still sounds ill....
Alot of the hooks are garbage though, and some of what he says makes me not love the tracks, but most tracks are good, and there are some gems... Definitely better than Encore...
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Lets be easy with the harsh criticism. I will go out and say this is better than the eminem show.
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Is it worth downloading the non-grouprip? Even tho its said to be a 320 rip or just waiting for a grouprip cos im skeptical based on what ive heard so far n other peoples opinions so i wanna hear this shit in the best quality possible so i can get a clear opinion ???
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this is just like a 2009 version of the slim shady LP...
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i couldnt wait to get home from school so i could bump this lol. 8)
i love the vibe of the album.
his flow is so UNREAL; but ill agree on the lyrical standpoint, kind of weak (at times).
its dope! 8)
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Lets be easy with the harsh criticism. I will go out and say this is better than the eminem show.
Not even close... I'd say definitely better then Encore.. but not better then TES
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Lets be easy with the harsh criticism. I will go out and say this is better than the eminem show.
Not even close... I'd say definitely better then Encore.. but not better then TES
yeah thats pushing it & i really like this album, but TES was a near classic in my book; had some DOPE/CLASSIC joints. 8)
but im glad to see you like it. 8)
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Any one got a link for the full album ?
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Some of the beats are bangin. But can't y'all see it that Dr. Dre don't make the muthafuckin beats? It's always some one else makin the beats and Dre is "producin" them.
With additional production and mixing from none other than Dr. Dre, Ish told HipHopDX yesterday about the beat that is heard constantly on radio, video and Internet since the first week of April. Ish said, "I started off, with just the beat. When I made the beat, I originally heard OutKast over it [in my head]. I was thinking of a left-field type of hook - something big that would grab people's attention with the music. So I tried a couple of different hooks and out-sourced [some writing] beyond my own camp, In Ya Head Productions."
"I couldn't really get the hook that I wanted. Then I got up with [vocalist] Charmane; she's from Hartford, Connecticut too," he continued, talking about his friend and collaborator for almost 10 years. Doc Ish says he followed what he was mentored to do with a track, as taught by producer Metamorphosis. "You've got to see a whole video in your mind - of course I didn't see a video [as big as] Em did [laughing], but you have to see something. The whole idea I had is you walk into the parties, like the old house parties, and everybody loves you when you walk in the door. They really make you [defined by] what your popularity status is."
Getting the song into Eminem's hands would typically be the hardest feat for any producer. A weird turn of events happened for Ish. "I started doing work with Bizarre from D12. I sent the song off to Bizarre," he recalls to last November. "Bizarre loved it. I was at the club that night [promoting] a Jadakiss show and I couldn't really hear [Bizarre on the phone]. He was like, 'I sent it back.'" The finished track took a reported day, fast for any artist. Ish says of Bizarre's version, "I loved it. I was laughing my head off. You know Bizarre, he just real comical. The next day, I was listening to it, I was like, 'This is hot, but we've got to make this bigger; we've got to make this radio.' It was just so raunchy." Giving the Detroit emcee notes on how to clean up the song for radio-play, Ish waited.
Bizarre called Doc Ish a week later with some surprising news "He said, 'You're not gonna believe this. Marshall wants the track." Eminem reportedly heard his D12 partner's work, and expressed interest in the song. The producer was in disbelief until management contacted him later that day, and within five minutes, the song was secured for Relapse. "Everything went down, and you hear it on the radio today. It's just crazy," Ish says proudly today, as his work has become the first single for the most anticipated album in 2009.
Asked about changes from the initial track, Ish reveals, "[Dr. Dre] changed it up, 'cause what I had done is I had made it a vinyl, sounding like something old. [Charmane is] very soulful. I made it sound like a sample."
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.9098/title.eminem-s-we-made-you-co-producer-explains-his-big-break
LOL you mean like this :D
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songs i liked:
3am
insane
hello
same old song and dance
stay awake
underground
nothing really blew me away tho to the point where is will be in rotation for a while.
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Some of the beats are bangin. But can't y'all see it that Dr. Dre don't make the muthafuckin beats? It's always some one else makin the beats and Dre is "producin" them.
With additional production and mixing from none other than Dr. Dre, Ish told HipHopDX yesterday about the beat that is heard constantly on radio, video and Internet since the first week of April. Ish said, "I started off, with just the beat. When I made the beat, I originally heard OutKast over it [in my head]. I was thinking of a left-field type of hook - something big that would grab people's attention with the music. So I tried a couple of different hooks and out-sourced [some writing] beyond my own camp, In Ya Head Productions."
"I couldn't really get the hook that I wanted. Then I got up with [vocalist] Charmane; she's from Hartford, Connecticut too," he continued, talking about his friend and collaborator for almost 10 years. Doc Ish says he followed what he was mentored to do with a track, as taught by producer Metamorphosis. "You've got to see a whole video in your mind - of course I didn't see a video [as big as] Em did [laughing], but you have to see something. The whole idea I had is you walk into the parties, like the old house parties, and everybody loves you when you walk in the door. They really make you [defined by] what your popularity status is."
Getting the song into Eminem's hands would typically be the hardest feat for any producer. A weird turn of events happened for Ish. "I started doing work with Bizarre from D12. I sent the song off to Bizarre," he recalls to last November. "Bizarre loved it. I was at the club that night [promoting] a Jadakiss show and I couldn't really hear [Bizarre on the phone]. He was like, 'I sent it back.'" The finished track took a reported day, fast for any artist. Ish says of Bizarre's version, "I loved it. I was laughing my head off. You know Bizarre, he just real comical. The next day, I was listening to it, I was like, 'This is hot, but we've got to make this bigger; we've got to make this radio.' It was just so raunchy." Giving the Detroit emcee notes on how to clean up the song for radio-play, Ish waited.
Bizarre called Doc Ish a week later with some surprising news "He said, 'You're not gonna believe this. Marshall wants the track." Eminem reportedly heard his D12 partner's work, and expressed interest in the song. The producer was in disbelief until management contacted him later that day, and within five minutes, the song was secured for Relapse. "Everything went down, and you hear it on the radio today. It's just crazy," Ish says proudly today, as his work has become the first single for the most anticipated album in 2009.
Asked about changes from the initial track, Ish reveals, "[Dr. Dre] changed it up, 'cause what I had done is I had made it a vinyl, sounding like something old. [Charmane is] very soulful. I made it sound like a sample."
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.9098/title.eminem-s-we-made-you-co-producer-explains-his-big-break
LOL you mean like this :D
Isn't this old news? Not this dude words but the fact this is how Dre operates.
Besides being old it's also common among a lot of producers. If you listen to the og songs Ye samples from you'll probably think he isn't that great of a producer. Still does his thing though.
Again, difference between being a producer and the og beat maker. Besides Ish admits that the track sounds different then how he arranged it. And, they bought it off him so it's all fair game, legally speaking.
Someone like Just Blaze or DJ Khalil is an example of a beatmaker/producer.
While Dre does both he tends to lean towards the producer side.
Snoop came out years ago and say while Dre doesn't usually make the beat he'll know how to change it to make it heat.
Why do people act like this is some big shocking revelation?
I'd love to hear the og mix it probably sounds darker.
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Snoop came out years ago and say while Dre doesn't usually make the beat he'll know how to change it to make it heat.
Why do people act like this is some big shocking revelation?
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I was hoping for more cameo :(
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this is just like a 2009 version of the slim shady LP...
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Same content and character I mean, ofcourse it cant touch the original and the hunge isnt there, but same character...
Remember "go go gadget dick" lol
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For all you people complaining about the content of this album, what would you rather hear Em rap about?
Cars?
Big rims?
Money?
Bitches?
I think a lot of Em's lyrics are psychotic, but I appreciate his creativity. It's nice to have an album come out that doesn't sound like everybody else in rap lately. Dope album in my opinion. 8)
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For all you people complaining about the content of this album, what would you rather hear Em rap about?
Cars?
Big rims?
Money?
Bitches?
I think a lot of Em's lyrics are psychotic, but I appreciate his creativity. It's nice to have an album come out that doesn't sound like everybody else in rap lately. Dope album in my opinion. 8)
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There's tons of shit to rap about that isnt horrorcore killing/celebrity gossip/juvenile garbage.
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Go listen to something else. What the hell did you think he was going to rap about?
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All i got to say after listening to this album four times already is this album is amazing. I gotta put this one up there with my favorites. The dark tone of the album is what i like the most.
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I don't why but that shit in "Medicine Ball" about Christopher Reeves makes me laugh, i'm a bit drunk right now so that might be the reason.
yea when he start rap ;D
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I hope the industry copies his formula of ONLY a guest or 2. Not 10+
real talk
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Damn all my doubts about this album has been quashed with this shit.
Dre's work is incredible & Eminem comes correct as HE ALWAYS HAS. Yeah I said it! Encore had some corny ass songs on it but for the most part that album was decent. Em aint ever dropped a wack album. FUCK THE HATERS EM IS BACK!
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For all you people complaining about the content of this album, what would you rather hear Em rap about?
Cars?
Big rims?
Money?
Bitches?
I think a lot of Em's lyrics are psychotic, but I appreciate his creativity. It's nice to have an album come out that doesn't sound like everybody else in rap lately. Dope album in my opinion. 8)
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There's tons of shit to rap about that isnt horrorcore killing/celebrity gossip/juvenile garbage.
but tbh thats been ems style since day one. yer it would have been nice to hear a proof dedication or songs that were a bit more personal but they wouldnt have fit with the album's theme
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you'd think after 10 years thered be some artistic progression
he's come back circle to where he started.
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Wow, I'm up to Medicine Ball and the beats are fuckin' good.
MAN THE OUTRO FOR MEDICINE BALL IS AMAZING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DRE outdid himself there.crazyyy
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After a few spins this is actually better then Encore. I was bllinded by the hate in the beginning due to Eminems using accent on nearly every song and not showing the growth I was hopinh for. Dre beats litereally keeped me from throwing this into recycle bin after 1 spin. Encore had Eminem using the accent and goofing around with just random tracks thrown together at least Relapse has a nice concept from top to bottom. All the tracks flow well together, I previously said Dre's beats were all over the place (again the hate talking), except We Made You which sounds out of place. I'm still pissed at the accent though, "Deja Vu" is the example of how he should rap on the whole album.
I'll drop a review in couple days.
BTW Dre's outros on this cd are really fly.
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For all you people complaining about the content of this album, what would you rather hear Em rap about?
Cars?
Big rims?
Money?
Bitches?
I think a lot of Em's lyrics are psychotic, but I appreciate his creativity. It's nice to have an album come out that doesn't sound like everybody else in rap lately. Dope album in my opinion. 8)
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There's tons of shit to rap about that isnt horrorcore killing/celebrity gossip/juvenile garbage.
but tbh thats been ems style since day one. yer it would have been nice to hear a proof dedication or songs that were a bit more personal but they wouldnt have fit with the album's theme
yeah, he's always rapped like that lol.
the lyrics arent his best, but his flow & Dre's beat make up for it. ;D
Beautiful is the best song on the album & i think the people hating on this album should give it a listen.
but i just cant admit
or come to grips the fact that i may be done with rap
i need a new outlet
and i know some shits so hard to swallow
but i cant just sit back and wallow
in my own sorrow but i know one fact
ill be one tough act to follow
guy gets the on the track and openly admits that he cant rap like he use to, he knows it; he's not trying to pass it off like its his best material.
& its true, he will be one fucking tough act to follow. 8)
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I like this album. Beats are great, the concept is great if you read Action!'s explanation. With the accent being Shady, and Eminem randomly rambling it's like he's a delusional drugged up serial killer with random thoughts running through his head. Plus, he still rambles on Underground which it seems everyone enjoyed. This album is like an 8 for me. Just enjoy it, it's better than most of the shit we hear from hip hop now a days. Padded Room still takes the cake as album of the year for me.
8/10
"This always went over real big in GayA!"
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German TV is so good. Eminem invited on a show. U can hear him free-stylin* over some folk german music.
http://videos.onsmash.com/v/dGibUTp8zucFYrNI
* sounds as good as Snoop, laid back flow. it should have been on the album, like they said.
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I gave this a spin at my boy's crib last night while I was completely gone, so I'm not sure if I will feel the same way bumping this sober lol but from what I can remember, here's my thoughts:
01. Dr. West (Skit) - N/A, LOVE this intro... something different and I like how it ties into the next song
02. 3 A.M. - 4/5, this track grew on me after a few listens when it leaked, the beat is good and Em kills it, sometimes I forget the accent is there
03. My Mom - 3.5/5, when I first heard the hook I thought "this shit is wack as fuck" but after hearing the verses I thought this had a good concept to it, just needs a better hook... beat is fire though
04. Insane - 2.5/5, the beat is BANGIN', one of my favorites on here, but the fucked up/homo shit that Em spits on here brings it down big time for me, even though his flow was on point and he didn't really use the accent
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad - 2/5, umm... something different I guess, not sure what I really think of this one :-\
06. Hello - 3/5, nothing special about this track but there's something about it I kinda like, just don't know what it is lol
07. Tonya (Skit) - N/A
08. Same Song & Dance - 2/5, not feelin' it... give this beat to someone else and maybe it will be better
09. We Made You - 2.5/5, if it wasn't for the accent I could dig this one maybe
10. Medicine Ball - 3/5, it's aiight... Eminem's flow was straight on here
11. Paul (Skit) - N/A
12. Stay Wide Awake - 3.5/5, the beat is dark, which I like, but Em could have killed this is if he really tried
13. Old Time's Sake (feat. Dr. Dre) - 4/5, I liked this the first time I heard it, nothing mind blowing but it's a cool track for me
14. Must Be The Ganja - 4/5, I'm feelin' this one, great beat for a track like this, Em didn't do a bad job here
15. Mr. Mathers - N/A
16. Deja Vu - 4/5, this seems like the old Eminem to me, or at least a dose of him (no homo), I like this
17. Beautiful - 4.5/5, great song but it's extremely out of place on this album IMO...
18. Crack A Bottle (feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent) - 4/5, Eminem had the weakest part but Dre killed it and so did 50... the beat is good as well
19. Steve Berman (Skit)
20. Underground/Ken Kaniff - 5/5, this is the Eminem I like to hear, dude ripped this one, and Dre killed it on the beat
I guess overall I would give this album a 3/5, the production saved it big time and Eminem did have a few moments where he was on point or showed that he still had it in him but he ruined his potential on almost every track with the "accent" and subject matter...
My favorite tracks: "3 AM", "Underground", "Deja Vu", "Beautiful", "Must Be The Ganja", and "Insane" (for the BEAT only)
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After a few spins this is actually better then Encore. I was bllinded by the hate in the beginning due to Eminems using accent on nearly every song and not showing the growth I was hopinh for. Dre beats litereally keeped me from throwing this into recycle bin after 1 spin. Encore had Eminem using the accent and goofing around with just random tracks thrown together at least Relapse has a nice concept from top to bottom. All the tracks flow well together, I previously said Dre's beats were all over the place (again the hate talking), except We Made You which sounds out of place. I'm still pissed at the accent though, "Deja Vu" is the example of how he should rap on the whole album.
I'll drop a review in couple days.
BTW Dre's outros on this cd are really fly.
Yeah I'm really feelin' "Deja Vu" to be honest...
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a PM containing a link or it never happened.........
8) good look in advance.........
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I haven't seen anyone mention the obvious Relapse/Detox-connection...
It can't be coincidental when the first fully (well, almost) Dre-produced album in almost ten years is a cinematic album depicting a drug relapse... Wich oftens leads to an intervention (how fucking cool would it have been if 50 came out with an album called intervention now!) and detox.
I'm not saying Detox will be lyrically ANYTHING like this, but i definately expect the production and structure of the album to be pretty similar.
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I just want to hear how these beats sound without em on them
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Word, if anyone has high quality instrumentals of all the eminem albums could ya hook me up via a message?
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I've thought about how it's kind of similar to a concept of a 12 track Detox but I was reaching. I don't think it's too intentional.
Besides I really dig the title of 50's cd "Before I Self Destruct."
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a PM containing a link or it never happened.........
8) good look in advance.........
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Hopefully dre will produce alot of 50s cd if thats the next cd dre is working on. Maybe 50 will become slightly listenable again, dudes been wack since grodt.
The beats are ill on this, eminem at times comes good but in general the content is terrible. No growth at all as an artist. He is becoming a clown. He is loosing all credibility as a rapper too. Im still working on my review but ima keep it straight on that, no dick huggin, no hatin, just straight truth imo.
pz
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^agreed
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I've thought about how it's kind of similar to a concept of a 12 track Detox but I was reaching. I don't think it's too intentional.
Besides I really dig the title of 50's cd "Before I Self Destruct."
if Dre hooks up 50 like he did with Em & 50 mans up like he says he is; that album could be real good. 8)
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the intro is mad good, even though its not one of those ridiculously lyrical intros; it was real good & set up for the rest of the album. 8)
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Gave this a couple spins, and I'm lovin' it. Em and Dre both came with it here.
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1. Intro - N/A; but it is a sick intro.
2. 3 A.M. - 3.5/5; dope & dark song. lyrically he was their, the accent isnt ask noticable as other times, but it still takes away a little.
3. My Mom - 3.5/5; better than expected. beat was DOPE & i liked him lyrically. don't understand the hate on the hook; it fit great.
4. Insane - 3/5; his flow was sick, beat was sick, but he had some poor lyrics on this. went deep though with his stepfather lol.
5. Bagpipes From Baghdad - 2.5/5; Dre came through with a tough beat, but wasn't really feeling it. Em had a good flow though.
6. Hello - 3.5/5 - like somebody else said i just dig this song, but i dont know why. crazy Dre beat (BANGS) & sick Shady flow; good stuff.
7. Tonya - N/A; set up the next track nicely.
8. Same Song & Dance - 3.5/5; another dope Dre beat & Em flowed nicely, lyrically he was on point too; had a different sound to it than the rest of
the album.
9. We Made You - 2/5; it was enjoyable for laughs & him clowning on people, but if i had to rate the song it's a two lol.
10. Medicine Ball - 3.5/5; i really feel this track, the beat is AWESOME, Slim's flow is tight, different than any flow i've heard from him; love it.
11. Paul - N/A - the usual call from Paul lol.
12. Stay Wide Awake - 4/5; might be my second favorite beat & Em was real good on this song; sounded great.
13. Old Time's Sake - 4/5; i felt this joint when it leaked, good Em/Dre duo; love bumping this shit.
14. Must Be The Ganja - 3.5/5; the vibe of this song was just dope, Em came good, Dre came through with a beat, good shit.
15. Mr. Mathers - N/A
16. Deja Vu - 4/5; good song just all around; great flow, great flow & lyrics by Em. one of my favorites & one of the best off the album.
17. Beautiful - 4.5/5; easily the best song on the album. it was so true & the message was deep. Em opening up on the mic saying he knows he is done with rap. i loved the sample; just a DOPE song. 8)
18. Crack A Bottle - 3.5/5; a very over-hyped song because of the 3 giants on the same track together, but it was pretty good. still don't understand
where the video is going at ALL, but i'll try to figure it out lol.
19. Steve Berman - N/A
20. Underground/Ken Kaniff - 4.5/5; second best song off the album for me. great way to end the album; sounded like some vintage Em. Dre's beat
was UNREAL; my favorite beat off the album. i wish/hope all the songs off Relapse 2 sound like this; this should be the model for him to use to make that album. 8)
so yeah, solid album; more than i expected; better than Encore; Dre helped A LOT.
Em's flow was SICK, but his lyrics could use a little work for Relapse 2.
OVERALL: 3.5333333333333/5; lol i averaged it out. :P
solid album, better than i expected. 8)
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I'll just say this: it was better than Encore.
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This CD sounds like a combination of all his cds!
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would be cool to hear D.O.C. spit on the 3am beat, since Eminem ruined it
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Where's the Leak at? I wanna hear what he has to say since he's usually more about the lyrics than most of yall...
it's amazing that Em's getting a pass for the accent/lyrics from some people. This guy's rapping about getting raped by his dad, being a homosexual, raping women, fighting movie characters, impersonating christopher reeves... I mean fuck, I can't let this shit slide, no matter how good the beats are.
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Where's the Leak at? I wanna hear what he has to say since he's usually more about the lyrics than most of yall...
it's amazing that Em's getting a pass for the accent/lyrics from some people. This guy's rapping about getting raped by his dad, being a homosexual, raping women, fighting movie characters, impersonating christopher reeves... I mean fuck, I can't let this shit slide, no matter how good the beats are.
The man has been rapping about shit like that for 10+ years. You know in many cases what you are getting from Em before the beat comes on and he starts rapping.
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Where's the Leak at? I wanna hear what he has to say since he's usually more about the lyrics than most of yall...
it's amazing that Em's getting a pass for the accent/lyrics from some people. This guy's rapping about getting raped by his dad, being a homosexual, raping women, fighting movie characters, impersonating christopher reeves... I mean fuck, I can't let this shit slide, no matter how good the beats are.
The man has been rapping about shit like that for 10+ years. You know in many cases what you are getting from Em before the beat comes on and he starts rapping.
thats what i'm saying.
i think the exact opposite of R1ZE; people are not liking it because it isn't the same Eminem they grew to love.
i swear to god if this was Asher Roth's CD, some of you would call it "great" & "he's the next big thing".
but Em's bar is so high that this is concidered "awful".
so its not that people are letting it slid because its Eminem; its people aren't liking it because it isn't the Eminem people know.
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Where's the Leak at? I wanna hear what he has to say since he's usually more about the lyrics than most of yall...
it's amazing that Em's getting a pass for the accent/lyrics from some people. This guy's rapping about getting raped by his dad, being a homosexual, raping women, fighting movie characters, impersonating christopher reeves... I mean fuck, I can't let this shit slide, no matter how good the beats are.
The man has been rapping about shit like that for 10+ years. You know in many cases what you are getting from Em before the beat comes on and he starts rapping.
thats what i'm saying.
i think the exact opposite of R1ZE; people are not liking it because it isn't the same Eminem they grew to love.
i swear to god if this was Asher Roth's CD, some of you would call it "great" & "he's the next big thing".
but Em's bar is so high that this is concidered "awful".
so its not that people are letting it slid because its Eminem; its people aren't liking it because it isn't the Eminem people know.
Well that is the thing about a rapper with the subject matter of Eminem. Sticky Fingaz said it best
"my name should be can't believe that nigga said that shit."
You can only capture that from the audience so much as far as subject matter. I think lyrically Em can and does drop some lyrical gems but as far as the shocking commentary and subject matter that has desensitized the ear to most. No different then watching the news everyday with all the crazy shit in the world. So in that sense people probably would want a different direction musically from Em, but in all seriousness who would buy into it even if in was sincere.
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I'll agree that it's better than Encore, but that doesn't say much.
The whole album on the first few listens just sounds so boring. The rapping, the beats, the choruses. There is nothing inspiring about any of it for me. Beautiful starts out great but then gets buried in that repetitive flow that seems to go one forever. Songs like Deja Vu and Underground stand out to me because of the rapping, but the content hurts them big time for me.
The only really bright spot for me is that some of my favourite albums of all time where very bring to me on the first few listens. But then again so were all of my least favourite albums.
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Ganja is the hottest shit on this cd!!! chorus kills!!!! 8)
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Ganja is the hottest shit on this cd!!! chorus kills!!!! 8)
i love that whole track, but the chorus is my shit too! 8)
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I love EM! I love DRE! I LOVE RELAPSE!!!! I AM STAN! lol
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Encore > This wack shit.
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im actually feelin this album, the beats have a kinda updated slim shady lp feel to them. lyrically it aint touchin old stuff but still its pretty good - if i gotta be honest i was expecting less but got more
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Better than Encore, but still a wack CD. 3/5
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could have been much better
Dre did a good job on the production, I like almost all the beats, even if Eminem ruins a few
like other people have mentioned, other people on his shit would sound great
his flow is different so you gotta get used to that, if you forget about the old Eminem you can enjoy it
overall there are some dumb tracks but really there are a few good ones.... production overshadows though
I like these:
Must Be The Ganja
Deja Vu
My Mom
Hello
Same Song & Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Underground
Old Times Sake (Dre was cool but Em wasn't)
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i wanna hear it... anyone got a link for me
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Had the album on repeat for the last few days, and the Medicine Ball beat stands out as a banger the outro is excellent. 8)
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i wanna hear it... anyone got a link for me
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Where's the Leak at? I wanna hear what he has to say since he's usually more about the lyrics than most of yall...
it's amazing that Em's getting a pass for the accent/lyrics from some people. This guy's rapping about getting raped by his dad, being a homosexual, raping women, fighting movie characters, impersonating christopher reeves... I mean fuck, I can't let this shit slide, no matter how good the beats are.
hello where have you been for 10 years
& who knows maybe he's saying the shit about his step father raping him because its a true & thus why he is as the title says "Insane"
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Not a bad album, really. Once you get past the stupid accent.
Most songs I will definitely be bumpin, others I will probably never listen to again.
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lol if you want a copy, google ftw. Linking = ban or something I think because its a new release.I'll still be buying it just to support the artist. Only reason people bootleg now is because we can't afford to buy a album just of a couple of singles that in reality are always just pop tracks made to chart and build buzz, but ya em did good he has my purchase :D
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i get the impression that a lot of people are pleased with the Dr.Dre productions on Relapse.
i think he has some good stuff on there, but overall it's very disappointing to me.
and no that's not due to high expectations at all.
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decent album fuck the haters, they expect 10 out of 10 classics from every album released from the aftermath camp, thats there fault for having such expectations not the artists fault for putting out cds that dont live upto expectations, do you really think they arnt trying to create some magic?
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oh and deja vu is a slamming track, dre laced this beat
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"Relapse" is much better than I expected. These Dre beats are hard as fuck!! I'm fuckin with this new style and am looking forward to Detox even more! Fav Tracks: "Bagpipes From Baghdad", "My Mom", "Underground", "Must Be The Ganja" & "Medicine Ball". These tracks are bangin! and fuck nick cannon
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Well when you struggle to release one album a year of course people are going to expect greatness.I mean no limit released an album every week and some of them were just as good as this album which is pretty sad
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..some of them were just as good as this album which is pretty sad
which one ? name 2
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make em say uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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"Relapse" is much better than I expected. These Dre beats are hard as fuck!! I'm fuckin with this new style and am looking forward to Detox even more! Fav Tracks: "Bagpipes From Baghdad", "My Mom", "Underground", "Must Be The Ganja" & "Medicine Ball". These tracks are bangin! and fuck nick cannon
really great tracks indeed...whole album is better with every play.
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Well obviously everyone is going to have their own opinions but I still bump both of fiends albums to this day as well mystikal and soulja slim.shit and even if you hate master p ghetto d was a dope album.Go bump bourbons and lacs and tell me that isn't a classic song.let the hate come!
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Well when you struggle to release one album a year of course people are going to expect greatness.I mean no limit released an album every week and some of them were just as good as this album which is pretty sad
but Eminem is trying to do Wayne numbers & is looking for all the extra fans he can grab.
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None of the instrumental albums exist.
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The whole album is great, Encore was nuthin compared to this, he's back, this is a straight to tha nr.1 spot album, at least a milli the first week.. I think he pleased all his fans, only a few corny songs on there.. Just made my order of this cd, fuck burning this one worth buying
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I really don't get it how bagpipes gets so much praise.
First time I heard it, it sounded good...after few spins its average. Half of these other songs KO's it.
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Been taking in the album over the course of this weekend. Trying to get my review up on DUBCNN very soon!
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dope album....I expect it to be much worse...But the shit is BANGIN!!!!! Eminems flow and rhymes are fuckin crazy!!!!!!!! Dre did his thing on the beats!! DAMN :o
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It's weird that someone said Em is trying to do Wayne's number. I always thought everyone was trying to do Em's numbers. He sit the standard, 50 then matched it. Oh, how times have changed.
I'm really curious to see this album sales.
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I hope it fails like hell.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
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Catchy + Tight Hooks..Dope flows, Top Notch Production..but no mainstream appeal imo. No radio tracks this time. 8)
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^I can see "Hello" being a single..and the released singles for the most part, We Made You & Crack a Bottle are very single-like.
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im really digging this shit after every listen it has grown...preety good cd 3.5/5
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It's weird that someone said Em is trying to do Wayne's number. I always thought everyone was trying to do Em's numbers. He sit the standard, 50 then matched it. Oh, how times have changed.
Ain't that the truth.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
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Must Be The Ganja hooks' been stuck in my head all day..
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Must Be The Ganja hooks' been stuck in my head all day..
same here..it's must be the ganja 8)
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"Medicine Ball" might be a good choice for the next single, it's bangin.
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they'd have to censor the entire thing ^
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Interesting read....Not sure if it's been posted....but, after listening to the track they talk about....it is open for conspiracy now.....f'n hype for this album is going to hit the FAN...
The Eminem Relapse Conspiracy
Yesterday the Internets were ablaze with z-shares and zip files of Eminem’s much anticipated album, Relapse. It seems every release by any rapper of note leaks these days, but a May 7th leak for a May 19th release date can do a lot of damage—even to Eminem.
But, while most of the hip-hop blogosphere has already digested the album and decided whether or not they like it, some of us at GIANT think Eminem may have a game-changing trick up his sleeve.
If you’ve listened to Relapse then you know that the majority of the album is a maniacal and murderous marathon helmed by Em’s alter-ego Slim Shady. If this is actually the real album, then it leaves much to be desired. But would Em really return from a five-year self-imposed exile to drop a revved-up caricature of himself spitting about serial killing and pill-popping? We just don’t see it.
Our hypothesis is that this “Leak” is not the real album at all, just a collection of crazed throwaway tracks. Or perhaps it’s the mixtape that should have led up to the album’s release. Another theory is that the Relapse that hit the net yesterday is only disc one of a double album.
Em says it himself on the second to last track of the album. When Marshall drops off the final copy of Relapse to the always angry Steve Berman, Steve says “What’s this s**t? Two CDs?” Em replies “That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you man, it’s two albums.” Then he exits the room.
There have already been rumors that Mr. Mathers will drop two albums this year, but Relapse is too redundant and incomplete to be either of them in their entirety.
No Em, “We don’t believe you, you need more people!”
Marshall Mathers may be a bit crazy but he is also multi-faceted. We’ve heard very personal, political and insightful records from him before and he has been through way too much in his personal life to not come clean here.
Keep in mind that Em has dealt with prescription drug addiction, a second divorce from Kim, the adoption of a second daughter and the murder of his best friend ALL since his last album, Encore, came out. He has also raised his beloved and often-mentioned daughter Hailie Jade.
We find it highly unlikely that an Em comeback album would not meaningfully address Hailie or Proof. Would not berate Bush, kill Kim or critique society. Em’s pen game is still mean and his lyrics and storytelling are on point, but his genius has more meaningful content to address. Unfortunately outside of “Deja Vu” and “Beautiful” Relapse chooses to focus on a sick-minded marauder raping, pillaging and torturing innocent bystanders. Slim Shady may be a chainsaw-wielding psycho, but Eminem and Marshall Mathers are not.
Let us not overlook the fact that the reclusive perfectionist known as Dr. Dre would probably not make his return to hip-hop with these beats. Relapse’s production isnt bad by any means, but none of the tracks are jaw-dropping sonic revelations.
Remember that Dre has been hibernating too. He has been cuddled up with Detox for the last eight years refusing to release it till its juuussst right. We can’t imagine a scenario in which Dre would return to society with the batch of instrumentals featured on Relapse. He and Eminem are both capable of too much more.
The highly unlikely coup that could knock rap on its ass if it came to be, is if Detox is the second disc of Relapse. The theme would work to symmetrical perfection and Em could redeem himself over Dre’s dopest shit.
Maybe we’re just conspiracy theorists, but we can’t believe that one of rap’s GOATs would return just to rant and rave. We know that Eminem is doper than this and have a suspicion that his marketing genius is about to be revealed too. For all the aforementioned reasons we are calling Relapse a Tour-de-Farce. If we’re wrong, chalk it up to our own paranoia.
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Poor excuse for the fact the album sucks. This is definitely the real album; just a poor one.
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I could see that possibly and the fact that it is a early leak they might want to scramble and do something quick to change it up a lil. But being that it leaked on the 7th and it drops on the 19th I am surprised he has not moved the date up.
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The leak isn't as surprising to me. These big releases normally leak 11-12 days before the release date. They're probably shipped out or shipping real soon. No way they have any time to make any album changes.
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The leak isn't as surprising to me. These big releases normally leak 11-12 days before the release date. They're probably shipped out or shipping real soon. No way they have any time to make any album changes.
I remember the Eminem Show leaked and they ended up selling it on Sunday in stores. That was because a actual store started selling it early though.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
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The leak isn't as surprising to me. These big releases normally leak 11-12 days before the release date. They're probably shipped out or shipping real soon. No way they have any time to make any album changes.
I remember the Eminem Show leaked and they ended up selling it on Sunday in stores. That was because a actual store started selling it early though.
I wouldn't be surprised if they sold it early here either.
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people had their tin foil hats on when encore dropped too. nobody thought Em would drop an album like Encore, but he did
this is the real album
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It's definitely a grower, this album is getting better each listen.
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lol @ that article. the album is so dissapointing that they make the case for this being a fake version of it. what leaked is the definitely the real deal. i like the part about dre:
"Let us not overlook the fact that the reclusive perfectionist known as Dr. Dre would probably not make his return to hip-hop with these beats. Relapse’s production isnt bad by any means, but none of the tracks are jaw-dropping sonic revelations.
Remember that Dre has been hibernating too. He has been cuddled up with Detox for the last eight years refusing to release it till its juuussst right. We can’t imagine a scenario in which Dre would return to society with the batch of instrumentals featured on Relapse. He and Eminem are both capable of too much more."
spot on if you ask me.
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http://www.trade9shoes.com
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Poor excuse for the fact the album sucks. This is definitely the real album; just a poor one.
While the album is obviously not his best work, it isn't that bad. Quit your hating.
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It's definitely a grower, this album is getting better each listen.
Agreed, after hearing it a few times. and then givin it a proper lisen in my car with a system the cd is pretyy dope! I like the girmey, physcopatchic, drug refrence, type of em. Its a dark album i like that. i think its alot better than Encore, Which wasnt hard to out due Encore, but i think i like it better them Eminem Show, after a good few days of bumpin the elbun
My order goes
Slim Shady LP
Marshall Mathers
Relapse (so far, after few days of lisening)
Eminem Show (close tie with Relapse, may change the order if i start getting board with Relapse soon
Encore
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What's everyone's honest opinion on The replay value of this album sofar?
Since leak day & the day after (I listened to it for the most part a good 4 times), I'm prob done.
Gonna buy this, To accompany the other Plastic wrapped 'Em albums I keep for backup.
(have to complete the Disco')
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^i was a retard for buying 3 copies of "Encore" and 1 Deluxe Edition, so actually 4 copies lol...don't know what i was thinking but i was huge fan back then :-\
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^i was a retard for buying 3 copies of "Encore" and 1 Deluxe Edition, so actually 4 copies lol...don't know what i was thinking but i was huge fan back then :-\
wtf?
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^yeh thanks i deserved a diss for that lol
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I view putting music on repeat in two fashions:
short-term: i want to bump this song a lot within the day or a week but after that period it's retired
long-term: i'll can bump the collective album every couple months
Rarely, albums manage to have a collection of tracks that do both. If they do it's often considered a classic. Often, they'll have one or the other. Usually, an album might have a hot single or two but comprehensively sucks (Example: Mims This Is Why I'm Hot) or they'll have an okay single backed by good album tracks (example: Joe Budden's Padded Room).
This definitely falls into the long-term category with several tracks falling into the short-term.
Tracks I'll most likely have on repeat for the next week or so, the bolded ones I'll probably be bumping longer: :
Same Song and Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must be the Ganja
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
The other tracks I hear once or twice and they get pushed off for a month or so if not longer::
Crack a bottle
3 am
We Made You
Bagpipes from Baghdad
Insane
Old Times Sake
I honestly don't need to hear any of those again for a while. The rest of them are up in the air.
I have to say this album probably had the worst tracks as singles.
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Slim Shady LP
Marshall Mathers
Relapse (so far, after few days of lisening)
Eminem Show (close tie with Relapse, may change the order if i start getting board with Relapse soon
Encore
I totally agree with that ranking. "Relapse" is a great album and more than I was expecting, honestly. Also, the weakest tracks are much better than the weakest tracks on his other albums except for The Slim Shady LP. There's nothing here as bad as "Under The Influence" from MMLP, "Hailie's Song" on TES or "Crazy In Love" on Encore.
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I listened to this about 3 times through once it leaked. But made sure i didnt over-play (play random songs here n there now) is so i didnt get bored with it in a week.
I'll be buying one copy. I dont need a second one.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Slim Shady LP
Marshall Mathers
Relapse (so far, after few days of lisening)
Eminem Show (close tie with Relapse, may change the order if i start getting board with Relapse soon
Encore
I totally agree with that ranking. "Relapse" is a great album and more than I was expecting, honestly. Also, the weakest tracks are much better than the weakest tracks on his other albums except for The Slim Shady LP. There's nothing here as bad as "Under The Influence" from MMLP, "Hailie's Song" on TES or "Crazy In Love" on Encore.
wow :o
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been playing this for the last few days, and i think its probably better than TES now
the only songs i cant really get into are insane & same song & dance
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None of the instrumental albums exist.
Yes 1 of them do exist. Not sure about relapse. You can check for relapse & some other hard 2 find stuff on this site.
http://4megaupload.com/index.php?q=eminem+encore+instrumentals&filetype=0
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all of the instrumental albums that were put together are just loops of the beats on the albums where Em isnt rapping
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
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I love this cd! It's everything i wanted out of em since train wreck "encore"
- whole cd produced by Dre (and the tracks are crazy)
- em's gone back to those ridicolous slim shady lyricals
- ems rhyme patterns are just stupid, aint no-one touching him on that
- makes me laugh out loud (NO other rapper makes me do that)
Favourite songs - bagpipes from baghdad, Deja vu, old times sake, 3am and same song & dance (the concept of the song is just crazy good)
"seen her backstage now heres where i come in son,
look here she comes better pull out the big guns,
hello lindsay your looking a thin hun,
how bout a ride to rehab, get in CUNT!" LOL classic
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Relapse ain't even released yet, how would there still be an instrumental album of it ?
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Relapse ain't even released yet, how would there still be an instrumental album of it ?
+1
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been playing this for the last few days, and i think its probably better than TES now
the only songs i cant really get into are insane & same song & dance
Exactly the same + Old Time's Sake (Em's verse). I still don't think it's better then TES, simply because of the accent. But this album is a grower, has a concept and sticks to it and it's got a cohesive dark, drug vibe. And the replay value so far is impressive.
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That man is bacc again ... Album is Dope much better than Encore ... 8) 8)
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
completely agreed. Eminem Show shits all over this :-\
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I view putting music on repeat in two fashions:
short-term: i want to bump this song a lot within the day or a week but after that period it's retired
long-term: i'll can bump the collective album every couple months
Rarely, albums manage to have a collection of tracks that do both. If they do it's often considered a classic. Often, they'll have one or the other. Usually, an album might have a hot single or two but comprehensively sucks (Example: Mims This Is Why I'm Hot) or they'll have an okay single backed by good album tracks (example: Joe Budden's Padded Room).
This definitely falls into the long-term category with several tracks falling into the short-term.
Tracks I'll most likely have on repeat for the next week or so, the bolded ones I'll probably be bumping longer: :
Same Song and Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must be the Ganja
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
The other tracks I hear once or twice and they get pushed off for a month or so if not longer::
Crack a bottle
3 am
We Made You
Bagpipes from Baghdad
Insane
Old Times Sake
I honestly don't need to hear any of those again for a while. The rest of them are up in the air.
I have to say this album probably had the worst tracks as singles.
+1 Nice breakdown.
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looks like the grouprip just pre'd
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Has anybody got a link for the download of the whole album please???
Props in advance
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
My guess is it's just a bunch of Dr Dre groupies elated over the idea of all but 1 track being produced by Dre and putting it above Em Show for that reason. I really don't even pay attention to those idiots. It's not the beats they love. It's the idea of loving the beatmaker. If Relapse had said it was produced all by Em and the beats were the exact same you'd see all these clowns finding mistakes with the production. What makes Beautiful any less than any other track as far as production goes? And if Em Show had said it was entirely produced by Dre it'd be argued as Em's best them.
When I think about what's better MMLP or Em Show I spend some time thinking about it. I don't even have to think about MMLP and Relapse.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Not sure what happened to you recently but you've been quite the narcissist. Anyway, how do you know that I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse? Where is your empirical evidence?
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Eminem-Relapse-2009-H3X 8)
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I love it
Same song and dance has a great beat
The hooks are cool too, you know there good when your not listening to a track but the hook is in the back of your head
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Not sure what happened to you recently but you've been quite the narcissist. Anyway, how do you know that I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse? Where is your empirical evidence?
lol! i can understand why you got that impression, but it's not right.
you see,i can't help it that i'm able to recognise things, that most people aren't able to; so i'm not overestimating anything.
it's just an advantage 8)
it's interesting that your observations made you come to the conclusion that i've changed though :laugh:
i haven't changed at all, but i've become more and more active on here over time.
anyway, well the forum has a tool, with which you can observe what other forum members are doing on here.
by coincidence,i saw that you were checking the discussion topic (which was made shortly after the leak of Relapse) and you posted your thoughts about it not long after that ( just check the post time & compare them with the first one of the topic), so it was obvious.
that's why i was able to make the statement about you being one of the first ones.
with your reponse to that, you tried to make it look like it wasn't a legit claim, while you didn't know my reasons for making the claim in the first place.
again, as with the argument about Dre, i just stated the truth.
i understand that it can be inconvenient, but don't blame me ;D
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Not sure what happened to you recently but you've been quite the narcissist. Anyway, how do you know that I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse? Where is your empirical evidence?
lol! i can understand why you got that impression, but it's not right.
you see,i can't help it that i'm able to recognise things, that most people aren't able to; so i'm not overestimating anything.
it's just an advantage 8)
it's interesting that your observations made you come to the conclusion that i've changed though :laugh:
i haven't changed at all, but i've become more and more active on here over time.
anyway, well the forum has a tool, with which you can observe what other forum members are doing on here.
by coincidence,i saw that you were checking the discussion topic (which was made shortly after the leak of Relapse) and you posted your thoughts about it not long after that ( just check the post time & compare them with the first one of the topic), so it was obvious.
that's why i was able to make the statement about you being one of the first ones.
with your reponse to that, you tried to make it look like it wasn't a legit claim, while you didn't know my reasons for making the claim in the first place.
again, as with the argument about Dre, i just stated the truth.
i understand that it can be inconvenient, but don't blame me ;D
Of course I knew your claims. It's really not a big secret around here that there are numbers and dates and timestamps for everything. So, dude. Get off your own shaft for a moment. Just because I commented early in the thread doesn't mean I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse. And even if that was the case, which it's not considering the album leaked elsewhere beforehand, it doesn't make a shred of difference. Furthermore, you know I'm not on here very often and you actually were the one who encouraged me to start engaging in more threads or creating more threads. I just happened to start checking the forum when Lunatic had made the thread and so I commented. As a matter of fact, I had already heard the record before the thread. And as I stated before I'm a fan of Dr Dre so what is the point. He just gets too much credit. I sure as hell don't agree with everything you're doing but I don't start shit for the fuck of it. That's counterproductive. Stop acting like a baby.
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really, wtf. lyrical content gets a zero, flow is there on some songs and a lot dres production is wack. the only song that makes this all ok is Deja Vu, that song is a perfect 5/5
what happened em?
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terrible
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definitely his worst album
MMLP SSLP The Eminem Show are all great albums
Encore had some wack tracks and some good ones
Relapse, majority horrific, few ok songs, 1 great song that holds up to the great em tracks.
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its about on par with encore but to me the best track on encore > the best one on relapse. the majority seem to be feeling it though, so he must have done something right.
straight in the bin! :laugh:
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Yeah, Eminem kinda lost me years ago, so this wasnt a let down. Deja Vu was cool though, and the beats for the most part were pretty slick.
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Yeah, Eminem kinda lost me years ago, so this wasnt a let down.
yep, im down with your avatar type of shit
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Yeah, Eminem kinda lost me years ago, so this wasnt a let down.
yep, im down with your avatar type of shit
Infidels baby, secular yet religious in experience. I love that album.
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Solid album .
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I geuss im the only one feeling the album, ounce you get over the accent. The album is pretty dope. I think its better than Encore and right there with Eminem Show. Its a dark, grimey album. And i love all the drug refrences like back in the day with the Slim Shady lp. And besides that the production is flawless. Its not his best album but not his worste. Althought ive only lisened to his all the way thru, ounce on my comp with no speakers just the ones built in the laptop and ounce in the car with the system. But i think its a pretty good album and alot better than whats been coming out as off recentlly.
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the production is flawless but the lyrical content is GARBAGE. 1 or 2 psychotic songs, or maybe even three or 4 out of the 20 but goodness seems like all of them are retarded. you would think he'd shown some lyrical growth by now.
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I geuss im the only one feeling the album, ounce you get over the accent. The album is pretty dope. I think its better than Encore and right there with Eminem Show. Its a dark, grimey album. And i love all the drug refrences like back in the day with the Slim Shady lp. And besides that the production is flawless. Its not his best album but not his worste.
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I geuss im the only one feeling the album, ounce you get over the accent. The album is pretty dope. I think its better than Encore and right there with Eminem Show. Its a dark, grimey album. And i love all the drug refrences like back in the day with the Slim Shady lp. And besides that the production is flawless. Its not his best album but not his worste.
I feel you guys. I like it too.
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I geuss im the only one feeling the album, ounce you get over the accent. The album is pretty dope. I think its better than Encore and right there with Eminem Show. Its a dark, grimey album. And i love all the drug refrences like back in the day with the Slim Shady lp. And besides that the production is flawless. Its not his best album but not his worste.
I feel you guys. I like it too.
me 2.. Specially Bagpipes From baghdad, We Made You, Insane & Underground
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I honestly think people are not really giving this album a chance.. you really need to put some good headphones on and turn this shit up.. no distractions and take in the whole album. You have to listen to all the elements in the background really listen to the lyrics. Once you do.. you'll realize that it's actually a very solid album. I'd say probably about 16-17 tracks actually stick to the theme of the album which is fucking dope.. a whole album that has a contant theme, dope beats and Em just goes nuts with the different flows etc..
To me this album blows that thrown together album called Encore out of the water.. and I think it stand next to TES fairly well. but to me TES is still a few notches above it.
Seriously people... quit hating.. get over the accent and some of the lyrics and really give it a chance and look at the big picture.. what he wants the theme of the album to be and how each's tracks lyrical content go with that theme.
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i gave this a good listen over the past few days, still think it's poor.
it's possible to dislike this album and not be a hater.
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i gave this a good listen over the past few days, still think it's poor.
it's possible to dislike this album and not be a hater.
true.. I just think most people are just hating and not really giving it a chance and a proper listen..
if you did..props to you.. too bad you don't like it.. hopefully Relapse 2 will spark your interest
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I honestly think people are not really giving this album a chance.. you really need to put some good headphones on and turn this shit up.. no distractions and take in the whole album. You have to listen to all the elements in the background really listen to the lyrics. Once you do.. you'll realize that it's actually a very solid album. I'd say probably about 16-17 tracks actually stick to the theme of the album which is fucking dope.. a whole album that has a contant theme, dope beats and Em just goes nuts with the different flows etc..
To me this album blows that thrown together album called Encore out of the water.. and I think it stand next to TES fairly well. but to me TES is still a few notches above it.
Seriously people... quit hating.. get over the accent and some of the lyrics and really give it a chance and look at the big picture.. what he wants the theme of the album to be and how each's tracks lyrical content go with that theme.
I agree. I got Beats so I know what you mean. ;)
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I geuss im the only one feeling the album, ounce you get over the accent. The album is pretty dope. I think its better than Encore and right there with Eminem Show. Its a dark, grimey album. And i love all the drug refrences like back in the day with the Slim Shady lp. And besides that the production is flawless. Its not his best album but not his worste.
I feel you guys. I like it too.
me 2.. Specially Bagpipes From baghdad, We Made You, Insane & Underground
+ 1
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well the beats knock but eminem is far from on point for the most part. 'deja vu' is definitely the best track though.
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Yeah the album has a great theme, u can just play the album all the way thru and its good theme besides few tracks like Beautiful and We made you) but the reast of the album got a really goot theme and it sticks to it. Im hapy with this album
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well the beats knock but eminem is far from on point for the most part. 'deja vu' is definitely the best track though.
That's cause its Bishop Lamonts "grow Up" with more back round action Lol.Same set up with the drums/guitar rif. Its just modified with extra back round drums and the Guitar is different but you can tell its the same. Over all its a good album, hoping Relapse 2 will be like TMMLP
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I think Em flows his ass off on the new album. The Dre beats are amazing :o Sure the content could be better, but what else would you expect from Em?
To me, "Relapse" is like a combination of all his other albums, with top-notch production. And it gets better every time I listen to it.
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I honestly think people are not really giving this album a chance.. you really need to put some good headphones on and turn this shit up.. no distractions and take in the whole album. You have to listen to all the elements in the background really listen to the lyrics. Once you do.. you'll realize that it's actually a very solid album. I'd say probably about 16-17 tracks actually stick to the theme of the album which is fucking dope.. a whole album that has a contant theme, dope beats and Em just goes nuts with the different flows etc..
To me this album blows that thrown together album called Encore out of the water.. and I think it stand next to TES fairly well. but to me TES is still a few notches above it.
Seriously people... quit hating.. get over the accent and some of the lyrics and really give it a chance and look at the big picture.. what he wants the theme of the album to be and how each's tracks lyrical content go with that theme.
Yeah, agree..
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It's an alright album. I don't think it's horrible.
Definitely better than Encore.
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You know I've said this 2 or 3 times in the past 2 days but you really need to get through the initial "first impression" experience because I was dissapointed with accent and thatr he showed no growth. Once you get past that phase try listening to it with an open mind, no overanalysing every single word, good music is good music. I also gave him a pass on the growth things, since he was on drugs for the past 7 years so it's understandable that he raps about it. Relapse 2 better be more serious and adress Proof, Interscope, Shady records politics....
I suggest everybody to read that breakdown of the cd Action posted. And the replay value on this cd is impressive people are gonna call me crazy for this but it's better than Marshall Mathers (the replay value that is) for me. MM is obviously a better cd but the replay value was always fishy to me, like with all Eminem material except Slim Shady LP.
Basically Slim Shady LP verses + Relapse production= classic
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Everyone did catch the one line on the album where he talks about Proof right?
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Everyone did catch the one line on the album where he talks about Proof right?
Yeah, the Deshaun excuse.
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I was wondering who Deshaun was, didn't know that was Proof's name. Props
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Everyone did catch the one line on the album where he talks about Proof right?
Yeah, the Deshaun excuse.
Yea wasn't a tribute or anything.. but he did mention him.. I figure he's going to have the more serious song about Proof on Relapse 2.
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I geuss im the only one feeling the album, ounce you get over the accent. The album is pretty dope. I think its better than Encore and right there with Eminem Show. Its a dark, grimey album. And i love all the drug refrences like back in the day with the Slim Shady lp. And besides that the production is flawless. Its not his best album but not his worste.
I feel you guys. I like it too.
hands down agree.
don't let one persons opinon change yours, who gives a fuck?
shit was solid/dope. 8)
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
easily, The Eminem Show is a near classic in my book.
but this is hated on WAY too much & its way better than Encore.
some of you guys have to bump beautiful and get what he's saying. ;) 8)
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i gave this a good listen over the past few days, still think it's poor.
it's possible to dislike this album and not be a hater.
true.. I just think most people are just hating and not really giving it a chance and a proper listen..
if you did..props to you.. too bad you don't like it.. hopefully Relapse 2 will spark your interest
2!!!lord please no!!!
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I do think this record was lyrical.
I do think it was creative and is a concept album.
I do think the beats weren't in-your-face fiyah on purpose.
I do think the beats support the lyrics.
I do think his flow is straight.
I do think the accent is on purpose and represents the alter ego Slim Shady. It does not bother me.
I do think Em is one of the most honest out even when his music isn't of the same quality or the same shock it used to.
I do think Em is aware of this and it makes him more compelling because he continues to release music and spits about it.
I do think most people don't understand Relapse is a concept record and focus on relatively meaningless shit when they reflect on the album
I do think discussion is tight but none of it really matters because if you like it, you like it.
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I do think this record was lyrical.
I do think it was creative and is a concept album.
I do think the beats weren't in-your-face fiyah on purpose.
I do think the beats support the lyrics.
I do think his flow is straight.
I do think the accent is on purpose and represents the alter ego Slim Shady. It does not bother me.
I do think Em is one of the most honest out even when his music isn't of the same quality or the same shock it used to.
I do think Em is aware of this and it makes him more compelling because he continues to release music and spits about it.
I do think most people don't understand Relapse is a concept record and focus on relatively meaningless shit when they reflect on the album
I do think discussion is tight but none of it really matters because if you like it, you like it.
Agreed. + 1
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i gave this a good listen over the past few days, still think it's poor.
it's possible to dislike this album and not be a hater.
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I was wondering who Deshaun was, didn't know that was Proof's name. Props
No problem.
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some of the beats are crazy! but it's a 5/10 album :-\
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Ive listened to this a few times through and i was pleasantly surprised the first listen, bare in miind i was expecting it to be trash, and well its really not that bad, its average at best but not atall wack, Dres beats are fucking krazy 8) Em can still flow his ass off and tbh the accent doesnt really bother me anymore but the problem with this album is surprisingly Ems lyrics which are fucking awful, so much has gone on in the past few years of his life and yet hes still spitting the same lyrics offa SSLP, which is so cheesy now and kinda pathetic, theres no growth or nothin, if the whole album was like 'Deja Vu' then it'd be insane instead its not bad just really average
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Ive listened to this a few times through and i was pleasantly surprised the first listen, bare in miind i was expecting it to be trash, and well its really not that bad, its average at best but not atall wack, Dres beats are fucking krazy 8) Em can still flow his ass off and tbh the accent doesnt really bother me anymore but the problem with this album is surprisingly Ems lyrics which are fucking awful, so much has gone on in the past few years of his life and yet hes still spitting the same lyrics offa SSLP, which is so cheesy now and kinda pathetic, theres no growth or nothin, if the whole album was like 'Deja Vu' then it'd be insane instead its not bad just really average
I think you have to look at alot of other people's theories that the fans wanted Slim Shady/Marshell Mathers back and that's what they got. Relapse is supposed to be like SSLP cause that's what the fans wanted... and with that.. Relapse 2 should be like MMLP.
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The production on this imo is much better than encore and it IS a better album imo which aint saying much but i do think this is better than that album.
However to compare relapse to MMLP or the eminem show (which im not the biggest fan of) is a lil extreme imo.
pz!
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I have listened to album start to finish 4 times.
Im not going to give an opinion based on liostening to 30 seconds of each track like SO MANY people have.
This album is SOLID. Its nothing groundbreaking but i think its better than Eminem Show.
The songs which I find myself singing long after my headphones are off are:
- My Mom (everyone I showed this track to likes it)
- Insane
- Bagpipes from Baghdad
- Old Times Sake
- Must be The Ganja
- Deja Vu
6 very good songs in my opinion. But I agree that it hasnt got that ONE SONG which would make it go quadruple platinum quickly. I.e. wayne - lollipop, t.i - whatever you like, kanye - stronger
but lots of good songs. enjoy it and stop bagging it so much!
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You know I've said this 2 or 3 times in the past 2 days but you really need to get through the initial "first impression" experience because I was dissapointed with accent and thatr he showed no growth. Once you get past that phase try listening to it with an open mind, no overanalysing every single word, good music is good music. I also gave him a pass on the growth things, since he was on drugs for the past 7 years so it's understandable that he raps about it. Relapse 2 better be more serious and adress Proof, Interscope, Shady records politics....
I suggest everybody to read that breakdown of the cd Action posted. And the replay value on this cd is impressive people are gonna call me crazy for this but it's better than Marshall Mathers (the replay value that is) for me. MM is obviously a better cd but the replay value was always fishy to me, like with all Eminem material except Slim Shady LP.
Basically Slim Shady LP verses + Relapse production= classic
Well said, man. I agree with all of that.
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You know I've said this 2 or 3 times in the past 2 days but you really need to get through the initial "first impression" experience because I was dissapointed with accent and thatr he showed no growth. Once you get past that phase try listening to it with an open mind, no overanalysing every single word, good music is good music. I also gave him a pass on the growth things, since he was on drugs for the past 7 years so it's understandable that he raps about it. Relapse 2 better be more serious and adress Proof, Interscope, Shady records politics....
I suggest everybody to read that breakdown of the cd Action posted. And the replay value on this cd is impressive people are gonna call me crazy for this but it's better than Marshall Mathers (the replay value that is) for me. MM is obviously a better cd but the replay value was always fishy to me, like with all Eminem material except Slim Shady LP.
Basically Slim Shady LP verses + Relapse production= classic
Personally, I liked the album from the get-go. I've probably played the whole album a dozen times now and it does get better. However, it wasn't until after the 3rd listen that I came across this statement when I began to really appreciate where he was going with this album, bearing in mind that Relapse is loosely a concept album:
The main theme of the record is a lot to do with me getting sober. Like giving up drugs and also kinda relapsing back into the first two albums, it's like relapsing back to the first two albums. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP. It kinda feels like, the way these records feel it's like, to me, they kinda feel like those two records." (Skyrock)
So for those who felt like his content was lacking, it's basically part of the concept, because he keeps relapsing back to SSLP & MMLP personas.
It's brilliant, imo.
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You know I've said this 2 or 3 times in the past 2 days but you really need to get through the initial "first impression" experience because I was dissapointed with accent and thatr he showed no growth. Once you get past that phase try listening to it with an open mind, no overanalysing every single word, good music is good music. I also gave him a pass on the growth things, since he was on drugs for the past 7 years so it's understandable that he raps about it. Relapse 2 better be more serious and adress Proof, Interscope, Shady records politics....
I suggest everybody to read that breakdown of the cd Action posted. And the replay value on this cd is impressive people are gonna call me crazy for this but it's better than Marshall Mathers (the replay value that is) for me. MM is obviously a better cd but the replay value was always fishy to me, like with all Eminem material except Slim Shady LP.
Basically Slim Shady LP verses + Relapse production= classic
Personally, I liked the album from the get-go. I've probably played the whole album a dozen times now and it does get better. However, it wasn't until after the 3rd listen that I came across this statement when I began to really appreciate where he was going with this album, bearing in mind that Relapse is loosely a concept album:
The main theme of the record is a lot to do with me getting sober. Like giving up drugs and also kinda relapsing back into the first two albums, it's like relapsing back to the first two albums. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP. It kinda feels like, the way these records feel it's like, to me, they kinda feel like those two records." (Skyrock)
So for those who felt like his content was lacking, it's basically part of the concept, because he keeps relapsing back to SSLP & MMLP personas.
It's brilliant, imo.
Agreed!!!
I think alot of people just aren't grasping this whole concept album thing.. if you really look at what he was trying to do and then look at each track and how they fit... shit is dope as fuck!!! Given I do think a few tracks don't exactly fit the album.. you could probably skim it down to like 16-18 tracks.
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it would have been 100% better had he said "sliiiim shadey!" like he used to
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its a dope ass album to me
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You know I've said this 2 or 3 times in the past 2 days but you really need to get through the initial "first impression" experience because I was dissapointed with accent and thatr he showed no growth. Once you get past that phase try listening to it with an open mind, no overanalysing every single word, good music is good music. I also gave him a pass on the growth things, since he was on drugs for the past 7 years so it's understandable that he raps about it. Relapse 2 better be more serious and adress Proof, Interscope, Shady records politics....
I suggest everybody to read that breakdown of the cd Action posted. And the replay value on this cd is impressive people are gonna call me crazy for this but it's better than Marshall Mathers (the replay value that is) for me. MM is obviously a better cd but the replay value was always fishy to me, like with all Eminem material except Slim Shady LP.
Basically Slim Shady LP verses + Relapse production= classic
Personally, I liked the album from the get-go. I've probably played the whole album a dozen times now and it does get better. However, it wasn't until after the 3rd listen that I came across this statement when I began to really appreciate where he was going with this album, bearing in mind that Relapse is loosely a concept album:
The main theme of the record is a lot to do with me getting sober. Like giving up drugs and also kinda relapsing back into the first two albums, it's like relapsing back to the first two albums. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP. It kinda feels like, the way these records feel it's like, to me, they kinda feel like those two records." (Skyrock)
So for those who felt like his content was lacking, it's basically part of the concept, because he keeps relapsing back to SSLP & MMLP personas.
It's brilliant, imo.
Agreed!!!
I think alot of people just aren't grasping this whole concept album thing.. if you really look at what he was trying to do and then look at each track and how they fit... shit is dope as fuck!!! Given I do think a few tracks don't exactly fit the album.. you could probably skim it down to like 16-18 tracks.
Once people understand the story behind the concept, they might be able to appreciate it more. Lyrically and production wise, the expectations were met for an Eminem album. The only real complaint that people seem to have with Relapse is the accent on certain songs. I've never been bothered by the accent, so it's whatever to me.
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man we got a corny hater already, Relapse is dope bro , what album did you listen to ? Cant wait to bump that shit wit some real woofers loud !!!!!!! 8) 8)
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I do think this record was lyrical.
I do think it was creative and is a concept album.
I do think the beats weren't in-your-face fiyah on purpose.
I do think the beats support the lyrics.
I do think his flow is straight.
I do think the accent is on purpose and represents the alter ego Slim Shady. It does not bother me.
I do think Em is one of the most honest out even when his music isn't of the same quality or the same shock it used to.
I do think Em is aware of this and it makes him more compelling because he continues to release music and spits about it.
I do think most people don't understand Relapse is a concept record and focus on relatively meaningless shit when they reflect on the album
I do think discussion is tight but none of it really matters because if you like it, you like it.
Well put.
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Imagine if "Relapse" had been Eminems debut album. I would bet all money in the world that it would have been hailed as a classic and a complete game-changer. Eminem flows better than ever before. The beats are better than ever before. The only problem is that we've heard it before. Once you get over that you can appreciate the album for what it is: a very strong album from one of the best to ever do it.
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Honestly, I think this album is up there with his best (SSLP and MMLP). In my book it is far better than Encore and quite a bit better than The Eminem Show, which I thought was too samey.
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6 very good songs in my opinion. But I agree that it hasnt got that ONE SONG which would make it go quadruple platinum quickly. I.e. wayne - lollipop, t.i - whatever you like, kanye - stronger
Yeah it doesnt have that huge pop smash, but in my opinion Beautiful could be huge, that tracks pure piff...
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i gave this a good listen over the past few days, still think it's poor.
it's possible to dislike this album and not be a hater.
true.. I just think most people are just hating and not really giving it a chance and a proper listen..
if you did..props to you.. too bad you don't like it.. hopefully Relapse 2 will spark your interest
I agree fullheartedly
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I love it
Same song and dance has a great beat
The hooks are cool too, you know there good when your not listening to a track but the hook is in the back of your head
I love that beat. Even though the subject matter is quite dark
then again the entire album seems to be dark
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This album is SOLID. Its nothing groundbreaking but i think its better than Eminem Show.
Well, i really don't think so. I don't even know if it's better than "Encore", i need bump them both some of these days and make a desicion.
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Yeah the biggest aspetct from a critics point of view is the growth thing. But then again Eminem was on drugs for the past 7 years so it's normal that he raps about it, it's not like he's desperatley trying to recreate the Slim Shady LP era. He just better drop the accent and bizzare lyrics on Relapse 2 though,
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Solid album, great concept. If Underground is like Intro to relapse 2 then we gonna get another great album.
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Production is amazing, I love pretty much all the beats, Dre definitely came through. Em flows his ass off on most of the songs, some hooks are questionable, the accent is annoying and IMO the content sounds kind of forced... But still way better than Encore, for the production alone.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Not sure what happened to you recently but you've been quite the narcissist. Anyway, how do you know that I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse? Where is your empirical evidence?
lol! i can understand why you got that impression, but it's not right.
you see,i can't help it that i'm able to recognise things, that most people aren't able to; so i'm not overestimating anything.
it's just an advantage 8)
it's interesting that your observations made you come to the conclusion that i've changed though :laugh:
i haven't changed at all, but i've become more and more active on here over time.
anyway, well the forum has a tool, with which you can observe what other forum members are doing on here.
by coincidence,i saw that you were checking the discussion topic (which was made shortly after the leak of Relapse) and you posted your thoughts about it not long after that ( just check the post time & compare them with the first one of the topic), so it was obvious.
that's why i was able to make the statement about you being one of the first ones.
with your reponse to that, you tried to make it look like it wasn't a legit claim, while you didn't know my reasons for making the claim in the first place.
again, as with the argument about Dre, i just stated the truth.
i understand that it can be inconvenient, but don't blame me ;D
Of course I knew your claims. It's really not a big secret around here that there are numbers and dates and timestamps for everything. So, dude. Get off your own shaft for a moment. Just because I commented early in the thread doesn't mean I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse. And even if that was the case, which it's not considering the album leaked elsewhere beforehand, it doesn't make a shred of difference. Furthermore, you know I'm not on here very often and you actually were the one who encouraged me to start engaging in more threads or creating more threads. I just happened to start checking the forum when Lunatic had made the thread and so I commented. As a matter of fact, I had already heard the record before the thread. And as I stated before I'm a fan of Dr Dre so what is the point. He just gets too much credit. I sure as hell don't agree with everything you're doing but I don't start shit for the fuck of it. That's counterproductive. Stop acting like a baby.
lol it's funny how you get offended everytime i put you in check :laugh:
i'm not too confident at all, so stop blaming me for your own mistakes.
i made a valid claim & i backed it up properly.
if that insults you, then that's your fault, not mine.
sure you can discuss what can be considered being "one of the first", but that's subjective.
however, i think my claim wasn't far fetched at all, which i tried to back up with my arguments.
also what has my encouragement towards you, to do with this conversation?
i haven't changed my mind about that.
not to mention that my claim about you checking Relapse relatively early, did not meant that it's bad to check out relapse in general(or that it's a bad thing that you checked it out).
i just thought it was funny (afterwards )that you checked the album out quite early when i saw you running your mouth about Dr.Dre.
as you noticed, i made that comment after i had an argument with you about Dr.Dre.
now that you mentioned that you're a fan of Dr.Dre, it makes it even more hilarious that you went so far in the argument.
also, i stated before that i wasn't going to argue whether Dr.Dre is overrated by the public: you can go back & find my quote where i stated that.
by the way, if you intended to start the conversation purely about that, then you're too late now: you should have limited yourself more with your comments.
all you can do now is come clean or stick your head in the sand.
also, not sure whether you accused me of starting shit randomly, but if true: then :loser: at you for having the wrong idea.
don't speak on something you have no clue of.
last but not least, so now i'm also acting like a baby? :D
first i'm acting narcissistic according to you and now this? ;D
you're such a hypocrite.
say what you want about me, but unlike you, i'm actually able to swallow my pride; i've done that several times( on here, even after a heavy argument with D~Nice a long time ago; eventually we both came clean & everything has been cool again for a while now)
that doesn't make me a better person than you, but i'm just saying that you can learn from that.
PS: keep in mind that my tone in the Dr.Dre argument, switched slowly: the more you dug yourself in, the more it changed.
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I think the album is pretty good, much better than Encore.
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i gave this a good listen over the past few days, still think it's poor.
it's possible to dislike this album and not be a hater.
exactly, props!
we don't disrespect the ones that like Relapse, but don't put us in a box either.
by the way, Meho, can't you merge a few Relapse discussion topics?
i'm not saying one discussion topic should be left, but some could be merged.
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what happened em?
Like I've said before, what fueled Eminem in the past, was a desire to display his skills and tell his story to the world. I think once 8-Mile was completed he had achieved all his dreams, and so that fire inside that drove him died. He even hints at it in some songs, like on "Soldier" from the Eminem Show he says, "(Spit) till the fire inside dies and expires". Also "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" is another great track where he indicates that he may soon lose his fire.
From the beginning the Shady alter Ego was fueled by his failure. He was broke, had lost the rap Olympics, came back with nothing after putting it all on the line. His Infinite album had failed. He failed like a failure to his daughter, him and Kim were on the ropes. Finally he downed all those pills. Dude was at "Rock Bottom" and then his alter ego hit him and he became "Slim Shady" and the song "Just Don't Give A Fuck" explains the whole style.
http://www.youtube.com/v/A1PyaWDDN34&hl=en&fs=1
In Encore he basically kills off his Slim Shady alter ego. Look at the liner notes to the album, and also listen closely. He is coming back on for an "Encore Performance" after his previous (Eminem Show). But he has a sick plan to shock everyone, and while they think it's an Encore he really plans to kill himself during the show. Notice before the 50 song he says something like "...last one baby" to indicate that he's coming hard on this track, but that he doesn't have much left. Then by the end of the album it's "One Shot, Two Shot, this is where the party stops" (in his track with D-12). Then ofcourse he finishes with one last Encore with Dre and then kills himself.
He said in interviews around the time, that Slim Shady had retired. That he may still do music but that it wouldn't be as Slim Shady. Come to think of it I don't recall him referring to himself as Slim Shady in the new album, but I could be wrong.
So now his alter ego is this who Rain Man thing that he brought out during the Encore song. I didn't realize it at the time, because the song sounded like a joke, but the "Rain Man" track on that album was actually him unveiling his new persona on the mic. He uses the voices in the song that has become his signature, and the new style was born. He also mentions this in interviews how much inspiration he has gotten from the movie character in "Rain Man" played by Dustin Hoffman. I remember back in 99 Dustin Hoffman even showed up at an Eminem concert. So he's actually admired him for a long time.
Listen to the chorus of "Rain Man" he says, "Hi My Name Is.... my name was not meant to become what it came (indicated he's gone has far as he could with the Slim Shady persona)... my new name is, RAIN MAN".
http://www.youtube.com/v/IeKLBTlbTT4&hl=en&fs=1
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makes sense....still miss Slim Shady though ha...the song Rain Man was as much as I could take of Rain Man
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interesting, thanx for sharing.
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6 very good songs in my opinion. But I agree that it hasnt got that ONE SONG which would make it go quadruple platinum quickly. I.e. wayne - lollipop, t.i - whatever you like, kanye - stronger
Have any of those artists ever gone quadruple platinum? The most I remember any one of them is triple.
It's simply not better than Eminem show. With Out Me blows We Made You out of the water. White America, Soldier,Till I Collapse, and Cleaning Out My Closet are all tracks that no track on Relapse even comes close to.
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Rain Man is such a dope track. Clever as hell. Went over most people's heads.
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Rain Man is such a dope track. Clever as hell. Went over most people's heads.
My favourite track on Encore
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Rain Man is such a dope track. Clever as hell. Went over most people's heads.
how so?
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Rain Man is such a dope track. Clever as hell. Went over most people's heads.
how so?
It's summed up in the last lines:
"And I don't gotta make no god damn sense
I just did a whole song and I didn't say shit".
That's the whole and only "clever" bit about it, as far as I see it. One could argue there even being some existentialist aspect to it - making a song just for the sake of making a song. But there's no point making a song without having some value to it.
In my book, that song's just a waste of space and a waste of a good Dre beat.
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I do think this record was lyrical.
I do think it was creative and is a concept album.
I do think the beats weren't in-your-face fiyah on purpose.
I do think the beats support the lyrics.
I do think his flow is straight.
I do think the accent is on purpose and represents the alter ego Slim Shady. It does not bother me.
I do think Em is one of the most honest out even when his music isn't of the same quality or the same shock it used to.
I do think Em is aware of this and it makes him more compelling because he continues to release music and spits about it.
I do think most people don't understand Relapse is a concept record and focus on relatively meaningless shit when they reflect on the album
I do think discussion is tight but none of it really matters because if you like it, you like it.
Great post.
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Rain Man is such a dope track. Clever as hell. Went over most people's heads.
how so?
In my experience when talking to people about the song they dismiss it as "that comical track where he disses Christopher Reeves." The song is so much more then that. It's basically Em's summary of his current career and his rebuttal to the critics.
Rebuttal to critics:
You find me offensive? I find you offensive
For finding me offensive
Hence if I should draw a line on any fences
If so to what extense if
Any, should I go? 'Cause it's getting expensive
Being on the other side of the courtroom on the defensive
They say that I cause extensive
Psychological nerve damage to the brain when I go to lengths this,
Far at other people's expenses
I say your all just too god damn sensitive
It's censorship
And it's down right blasphemous
Listen to shit now cause I won't stand for this
Rebuttal against social conservatives:
Now in the Bible it says
Thou shalt not watch two lesbians in bed,
Have homosexual sex
Unless of course you were given the consent to join in
Then of course, it's intercourse
And it's bi-sexual sex
Which isn't as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions
Either before, during or after performing the act of that which
Is normally referred to have such, more commonly known phrases
That are more used by today's kids
In a more derogatory way but
Who's to say, what's fair to say, and what not to say?
Points out the double standard if not the hypocrisy of his critics:
Let's ask Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre? (What up?)
I gotta question if I may? (Yeah)
Is it gay to play Putt-Putt golf with a friend (Yeah)
And watch his butt-butt when he tees off? (Yeah)
But, but! I ain't done yet
In football the quarterback yells out hutt-hutt
While he reaches in another grown man's ass
Grabs on his nuts but just what if
It was never meant it was just an accident
But he tripped, fell, slipped and his penis went in
His teeny tiny little round hiney but he didn't mean it
But his little weenie flinched just a little bit
And I don't mean to go in into any more details but
What if he pictured it as a females butt?
Is that gay? I just need to clear things up
Till then I'll just walk around with a manly strut because...
Career reflection:
Anyway, anyway I don't know how else to put it
This is the only thing that I'm good at
Another rebuttal to critic while admitting his product isn't the same:
And I don't gotta make no god damn sense
I just did a whole song and I didn't say shit
Rain Man is for all the listeners complaining about his content. they bitch that he's not saying something but he is saying something and they totally miss it.
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Top post Action, +1.
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VOTE ON YOUR FAVORITE RELAPSE TRACKS HERE:
http://eminem--relapse.blogspot.com/
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Rain Man is such a dope track. Clever as hell. Went over most people's heads.
how so?
In my experience when talking to people about the song they dismiss it as "that comical track where he disses Christopher Reeves." The song is so much more then that. It's basically Em's summary of his current career and his rebuttal to the critics.
Rebuttal to critics:
You find me offensive? I find you offensive
For finding me offensive
Hence if I should draw a line on any fences
If so to what extense if
Any, should I go? 'Cause it's getting expensive
Being on the other side of the courtroom on the defensive
They say that I cause extensive
Psychological nerve damage to the brain when I go to lengths this,
Far at other people's expenses
I say your all just too god damn sensitive
It's censorship
And it's down right blasphemous
Listen to shit now cause I won't stand for this
Rebuttal against social conservatives:
Now in the Bible it says
Thou shalt not watch two lesbians in bed,
Have homosexual sex
Unless of course you were given the consent to join in
Then of course, it's intercourse
And it's bi-sexual sex
Which isn't as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions
Either before, during or after performing the act of that which
Is normally referred to have such, more commonly known phrases
That are more used by today's kids
In a more derogatory way but
Who's to say, what's fair to say, and what not to say?
Points out the double standard if not the hypocrisy of his critics:
Let's ask Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre? (What up?)
I gotta question if I may? (Yeah)
Is it gay to play Putt-Putt golf with a friend (Yeah)
And watch his butt-butt when he tees off? (Yeah)
But, but! I ain't done yet
In football the quarterback yells out hutt-hutt
While he reaches in another grown man's ass
Grabs on his nuts but just what if
It was never meant it was just an accident
But he tripped, fell, slipped and his penis went in
His teeny tiny little round hiney but he didn't mean it
But his little weenie flinched just a little bit
And I don't mean to go in into any more details but
What if he pictured it as a females butt?
Is that gay? I just need to clear things up
Till then I'll just walk around with a manly strut because...
Career reflection:
Anyway, anyway I don't know how else to put it
This is the only thing that I'm good at
Another rebuttal to critic while admitting his product isn't the same:
And I don't gotta make no god damn sense
I just did a whole song and I didn't say shit
Rain Man is for all the listeners complaining about his content. they bitch that he's not saying something but he is saying something and they totally miss it.
hehe, good point!
i never looked at the lyrics of that song before, as i skipped the song ;)
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Man, if a song like Deja Vu would've been released as a single and reach the top of the charts, I think it would help to push hip-hop in the right direction. This song is vintage Eminem.
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can someone upload deja vu AN 3AM??...its the only songs i actually want LOL
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3 A.M.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/599261831ba87a2d/
Deja Vu
http://www.zshare.net/audio/59926274f381de0a/
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Not sure what happened to you recently but you've been quite the narcissist. Anyway, how do you know that I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse? Where is your empirical evidence?
lol! i can understand why you got that impression, but it's not right.
you see,i can't help it that i'm able to recognise things, that most people aren't able to; so i'm not overestimating anything.
it's just an advantage 8)
it's interesting that your observations made you come to the conclusion that i've changed though :laugh:
i haven't changed at all, but i've become more and more active on here over time.
anyway, well the forum has a tool, with which you can observe what other forum members are doing on here.
by coincidence,i saw that you were checking the discussion topic (which was made shortly after the leak of Relapse) and you posted your thoughts about it not long after that ( just check the post time & compare them with the first one of the topic), so it was obvious.
that's why i was able to make the statement about you being one of the first ones.
with your reponse to that, you tried to make it look like it wasn't a legit claim, while you didn't know my reasons for making the claim in the first place.
again, as with the argument about Dre, i just stated the truth.
i understand that it can be inconvenient, but don't blame me ;D
Of course I knew your claims. It's really not a big secret around here that there are numbers and dates and timestamps for everything. So, dude. Get off your own shaft for a moment. Just because I commented early in the thread doesn't mean I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse. And even if that was the case, which it's not considering the album leaked elsewhere beforehand, it doesn't make a shred of difference. Furthermore, you know I'm not on here very often and you actually were the one who encouraged me to start engaging in more threads or creating more threads. I just happened to start checking the forum when Lunatic had made the thread and so I commented. As a matter of fact, I had already heard the record before the thread. And as I stated before I'm a fan of Dr Dre so what is the point. He just gets too much credit. I sure as hell don't agree with everything you're doing but I don't start shit for the fuck of it. That's counterproductive. Stop acting like a baby.
lol it's funny how you get offended everytime i put you in check :laugh:
i'm not too confident at all, so stop blaming me for your own mistakes.
i made a valid claim & i backed it up properly.
if that insults you, then that's your fault, not mine.
sure you can discuss what can be considered being "one of the first", but that's subjective.
however, i think my claim wasn't far fetched at all, which i tried to back up with my arguments.
also what has my encouragement towards you, to do with this conversation?
i haven't changed my mind about that.
not to mention that my claim about you checking Relapse relatively early, did not meant that it's bad to check out relapse in general(or that it's a bad thing that you checked it out).
i just thought it was funny (afterwards )that you checked the album out quite early when i saw you running your mouth about Dr.Dre.
as you noticed, i made that comment after i had an argument with you about Dr.Dre.
now that you mentioned that you're a fan of Dr.Dre, it makes it even more hilarious that you went so far in the argument.
also, i stated before that i wasn't going to argue whether Dr.Dre is overrated by the public: you can go back & find my quote where i stated that.
by the way, if you intended to start the conversation purely about that, then you're too late now: you should have limited yourself more with your comments.
all you can do now is come clean or stick your head in the sand.
also, not sure whether you accused me of starting shit randomly, but if true: then :loser: at you for having the wrong idea.
don't speak on something you have no clue of.
last but not least, so now i'm also acting like a baby? :D
first i'm acting narcissistic according to you and now this? ;D
you're such a hypocrite.
say what you want about me, but unlike you, i'm actually able to swallow my pride; i've done that several times( on here, even after a heavy argument with D~Nice a long time ago; eventually we both came clean & everything has been cool again for a while now)
that doesn't make me a better person than you, but i'm just saying that you can learn from that.
PS: keep in mind that my tone in the Dr.Dre argument, switched slowly: the more you dug yourself in, the more it changed.
Remember you initiated this whole back and forth with your seemingly snide Khalil lol comment. Not me. With that said:
1st off you didn't put anyone or anything in check. Please read this and go back and read our conversations.
2nd, I'm not blaming you for any mistakes but I will say misinterpretations or reinterpretations and perhaps some over zealousness.
3rd, when I brought up the discussion encouragement I did so because by doing whatever you're doing right now (misinterpreting) it leads me to not want to discuss in depth because words can be mingled to death and taken the wrong way. Hence my screen name Laconic and my past posts. I try to be concise so this doesn't occur.
4th, I know you didn't mean it was a bad thing to check out Relapse. That would be foolish unto itself.
5th, I wasn't "running my mouth" about Dr. Dre, and even if I was then who cares. He's certainly not above criticism and dissection and that's what people should do with him because he's put on a pedestal while the group around him who make the music aren't treated likewise. When I said there are better producers I meant that because these other guys are beat makers and producers not someone who takes skeletons or other people's beats( http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.9098/title.eminem-s-we-made-you-co-producer-explains-his-big-break ) and tweeks them, among other things. When you said I don't know shit about producing, that is completely off base because you made those comments based on something general that I said about Dre's production. Obviously I didn't go into an entire tirade about everything he does. But you really got "upset" when I said Dre needs others around him to make his shit hot and you called me biased. You'll probably be hard pressed to find people that disagree with me because everyone knows through books, interviews, etc that Dre has a gaggle of people around him playing for him and mixing and writing and making beats and so forth. I really don't think that is debatable. I would like to hear music from DRE without the actual team but it just ain't gonna happen. And that is why I brought up Paris because he does so many things and has little assistance in comparison. Yeah, the music may not sound as "big" but it certainly stands the test of time and I enjoy it more than "Dre's work" for a variety of reasons.
6th, this is a waste of time going back and forth like this. I have way better things to be doing but I would like to clear this up because I have respected your opinion in the past on several things. I'm just not a fan when someone comes at me sideways and makes snide remarks (you initiated those) and calls me biased when clearly Dre has many "assistants" that contribute to the outcome of the music. If he has individuals who make beats for him, write for him, mix for him, play music for him, engineer for him, and so forth then it's plain and simple to see that he needs others around him to make him who he is. I don't understand why that is so difficult to comprehend. So I'm not running and ducking my head in the sand for something that I didn't do. If I was wrong then I would admit it. But you haven't proven to me that I was because everybody knows Dre has a "team." Let's start a true/false poll and ask the other posters if it's likely Dre has many "helpers" and if they contribute to making the shit as hot as it is. I bet most will say True. And just cause I'm a nice guy I apologize to you if I came at you in a non-helpful way but again you initiated it. But I will not apologize for something I didn't do. Peace...
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Yeah, I love Rain Man too. The only track I like more than that on Encore is the title track. But he's not Rain Man on "Relapse". He calls himself Slim Shady on several tracks and has himself stated that this is the return of the Slim Shady of his first two albums.
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Yeah, I love Rain Man too. The only track I like more than that on Encore is the title track. But he's not Rain Man on "Relapse". He calls himself Slim Shady on several tracks and has himself stated that this is the return of the Slim Shady of his first two albums.
I agree. For me, I think he generally just views himself as Rainman. I'm not bought on the theory of Rainman-as-alter-ego. Instead of interperting the chorus as the introduction of an alter ego I took it as reflection of his current career stance. He never thought he'd this famous and before he was rich he swear he'd never act a certain way, but he did exactly what he swore not to. Now he just knows how to do something exceptionally well (rap) but without a reason as to why (content). I don't know but I do like the theory of Rainman as an alter ego because he supposedly kill Shady on When I'm Gone though When I'm Gone was also a dream like story.
Whatever, I don't care. Dope shit! that's all that matters.
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Brother Ali>>>>>>Eminem
Ant>>>>>Dr Dre
i like how you were one of the first posters on here to check out Relapse :laugh:
Thanks for noticing. You got me again.
And actually if you look back, I didn't comment on the record until the 2nd page thus making me NOT one of the 1st posters. Good try though, buddy :-*
i didn't say anything about commenting :nahnah2:
Not sure what happened to you recently but you've been quite the narcissist. Anyway, how do you know that I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse? Where is your empirical evidence?
lol! i can understand why you got that impression, but it's not right.
you see,i can't help it that i'm able to recognise things, that most people aren't able to; so i'm not overestimating anything.
it's just an advantage 8)
it's interesting that your observations made you come to the conclusion that i've changed though :laugh:
i haven't changed at all, but i've become more and more active on here over time.
anyway, well the forum has a tool, with which you can observe what other forum members are doing on here.
by coincidence,i saw that you were checking the discussion topic (which was made shortly after the leak of Relapse) and you posted your thoughts about it not long after that ( just check the post time & compare them with the first one of the topic), so it was obvious.
that's why i was able to make the statement about you being one of the first ones.
with your reponse to that, you tried to make it look like it wasn't a legit claim, while you didn't know my reasons for making the claim in the first place.
again, as with the argument about Dre, i just stated the truth.
i understand that it can be inconvenient, but don't blame me ;D
Of course I knew your claims. It's really not a big secret around here that there are numbers and dates and timestamps for everything. So, dude. Get off your own shaft for a moment. Just because I commented early in the thread doesn't mean I was one of the 1st posters to check out Relapse. And even if that was the case, which it's not considering the album leaked elsewhere beforehand, it doesn't make a shred of difference. Furthermore, you know I'm not on here very often and you actually were the one who encouraged me to start engaging in more threads or creating more threads. I just happened to start checking the forum when Lunatic had made the thread and so I commented. As a matter of fact, I had already heard the record before the thread. And as I stated before I'm a fan of Dr Dre so what is the point. He just gets too much credit. I sure as hell don't agree with everything you're doing but I don't start shit for the fuck of it. That's counterproductive. Stop acting like a baby.
lol it's funny how you get offended everytime i put you in check :laugh:
i'm not too confident at all, so stop blaming me for your own mistakes.
i made a valid claim & i backed it up properly.
if that insults you, then that's your fault, not mine.
sure you can discuss what can be considered being "one of the first", but that's subjective.
however, i think my claim wasn't far fetched at all, which i tried to back up with my arguments.
also what has my encouragement towards you, to do with this conversation?
i haven't changed my mind about that.
not to mention that my claim about you checking Relapse relatively early, did not meant that it's bad to check out relapse in general(or that it's a bad thing that you checked it out).
i just thought it was funny (afterwards )that you checked the album out quite early when i saw you running your mouth about Dr.Dre.
as you noticed, i made that comment after i had an argument with you about Dr.Dre.
now that you mentioned that you're a fan of Dr.Dre, it makes it even more hilarious that you went so far in the argument.
also, i stated before that i wasn't going to argue whether Dr.Dre is overrated by the public: you can go back & find my quote where i stated that.
by the way, if you intended to start the conversation purely about that, then you're too late now: you should have limited yourself more with your comments.
all you can do now is come clean or stick your head in the sand.
also, not sure whether you accused me of starting shit randomly, but if true: then :loser: at you for having the wrong idea.
don't speak on something you have no clue of.
last but not least, so now i'm also acting like a baby? :D
first i'm acting narcissistic according to you and now this? ;D
you're such a hypocrite.
say what you want about me, but unlike you, i'm actually able to swallow my pride; i've done that several times( on here, even after a heavy argument with D~Nice a long time ago; eventually we both came clean & everything has been cool again for a while now)
that doesn't make me a better person than you, but i'm just saying that you can learn from that.
PS: keep in mind that my tone in the Dr.Dre argument, switched slowly: the more you dug yourself in, the more it changed.
Remember you initiated this whole back and forth with your seemingly snide Khalil lol comment. Not me. With that said:
1st off you didn't put anyone or anything in check. Please read this and go back and read our conversations.
2nd, I'm not blaming you for any mistakes but I will say misinterpretations or reinterpretations and perhaps some over zealousness.
3rd, when I brought up the discussion encouragement I did so because by doing whatever you're doing right now (misinterpreting) it leads me to not want to discuss in depth because words can be mingled to death and taken the wrong way. Hence my screen name Laconic and my past posts. I try to be concise so this doesn't occur.
4th, I know you didn't mean it was a bad thing to check out Relapse. That would be foolish unto itself.
5th, I wasn't "running my mouth" about Dr. Dre, and even if I was then who cares. He's certainly not above criticism and dissection and that's what people should do with him because he's put on a pedestal while the group around him who make the music aren't treated likewise. When I said there are better producers I meant that because these other guys are beat makers and producers not someone who takes skeletons or other people's beats( http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.9098/title.eminem-s-we-made-you-co-producer-explains-his-big-break ) and tweeks them, among other things. When you said I don't know shit about producing, that is completely off base because you made those comments based on something general that I said about Dre's production. Obviously I didn't go into an entire tirade about everything he does. But you really got "upset" when I said Dre needs others around him to make his shit hot and you called me biased. You'll probably be hard pressed to find people that disagree with me because everyone knows through books, interviews, etc that Dre has a gaggle of people around him playing for him and mixing and writing and making beats and so forth. I really don't think that is debatable. I would like to hear music from DRE without the actual team but it just ain't gonna happen. And that is why I brought up Paris because he does so many things and has little assistance in comparison. Yeah, the music may not sound as "big" but it certainly stands the test of time and I enjoy it more than "Dre's work" for a variety of reasons.
6th, this is a waste of time going back and forth like this. I have way better things to be doing but I would like to clear this up because I have respected your opinion in the past on several things. I'm just not a fan when someone comes at me sideways and makes snide remarks (you initiated those) and calls me biased when clearly Dre has many "assistants" that contribute to the outcome of the music. If he has individuals who make beats for him, write for him, mix for him, play music for him, engineer for him, and so forth then it's plain and simple to see that he needs others around him to make him who he is. I don't understand why that is so difficult to comprehend. So I'm not running and ducking my head in the sand for something that I didn't do. If I was wrong then I would admit it. But you haven't proven to me that I was because everybody knows Dre has a "team." Let's start a true/false poll and ask the other posters if it's likely Dre has many "helpers" and if they contribute to making the shit as hot as it is. I bet most will say True. And just cause I'm a nice guy I apologize to you if I came at you in a non-helpful way but again you initiated it. But I will not apologize for something I didn't do. Peace...
- no i didn't, as i didn't disrespect you with the Khalil comment. i just felt that it was kind of funny that you preferred Khalil over Dr.Dre.
that you took it the wrong way & felt that i was disrespecting you, is not my fault.
you misinterpreted my comment after all.
it's sad that it you feel that this set it off, but again i don't feel responsible for that.
-well, you only let it escalate, even though you could have prevented it as i pointed out several times before.
again, i don't take responsibility for that: you're to blame for the escalation.
-i won't question that, maybe text based communication is indeed partly to blame for the argument.
and maybe you're in general, very careful with your statements, but in this argument ( if you feel that misinterpreted your comments) you weren't very clearly, if you had different intentions, than how i interpreted your comments.
even when looking back at the quotes, i don't see how i could have interpreted them differently :P i really tried!
-well i'm glad that's clear then ;)
-i care, as you pissed me off with your arguments, but i didn't switch my tone immediately.
i don't mind that you're criticising Dr.Dre, but your arguments aren't solid.
the reason Dr.Dre gets a lot of props, is because he has done a great job as a producer.
his "partners" haven't done the things he has done, simple.
Dre has been accusing of stealing credits so many times, but why didn't they sue him?
if it was so obvious, he would have been caught a long time ago.
so it's just rumours & assumptions, nothing more.
lol at you for using We Made You as an example though.
hahaha, that's a perfectly legal situation.
so even if the producer that sold the original beat won't be mentioned in the booklet, you still won't have proof that Dre is stealing.
but yeah it's not the first time that Dre bought a beat from someone else & certainly won't be the last one, as he'll continue to buy more for Detox('s vault).
after the transaction, he can do what he wants with it.
lol at you if you think that buying beats for someone's own use, takes credit away from the producer :laugh:
even if he does that for every track he has his name on, you would still not be able to tell what he did with it & come up with proper arguments of why you would think that he took too much credit; all you could do is assume.
and if my claim about you not knowing shit about producing was wrong, then you would have known what Dre does as a producer.
and yeah you'll probably find lots of people that feel the same way as you, but i don't care about subjective biased opinions( not to mention that there's a lot of shallow people on this planet; not you though).
i care about objectivity.
and if you did so too, and checked proper sources, you would have known what exactly Dre does + what his partners do + why Dre is the locomotive (aka the frontman
).
i will continue to counter the claim that his partners make Dr.Dre.
i mean you can even clearly hear why Dre is the frontman in his music: he has switched partners so many times, yet you can hear in his music that it has his name written all over it ( not meaning literally, before you start making a joke about that).
not to mention that his (ex) partners give him props for his contributions ( excluding the bitter ones off course), because they actually know what they're talking about.
Dawaun Parker & Mark Batson for example, do their part & get acknowledged for that too, that's fair.
you may want to hear what the music sounds like when Dre does everything by himself, but to me it wouldn't really make a difference, other than Dre playing the actual instruments himself, while playing similar notes.
as far as Paris & your comments: those had more to do with Paris the person, than what he strictly does as a producer.
the fact remains that he works similar as Dre: you can take that however you like, but there's no way around it.
- if you feel that you're wasting your time, then do what you feel is better. it's not that i love having an argument with you, but i do what i think is necessary.
the sarcasm helps me get my point across: i'm sorry if i insulted/disrespected you, but the sarcasm wasn't meant to reach such a goal(as it's nothing personal).
but i don't take back any of the statements i made, as the points still stand.
i actually don't understand why you can't see that you're being biased about Dr.Dre as a producer.
Dr.Dre working with musicians doesn't discredit him as a producer.
Dre is the frontman, whether you like it or not.
you can continue to come up with the silly statements & back them up with weak arguments, but i will come back strong & smash the view you have about Dr.Dre's contributions.
go ahead and make a poll, but for the billionth time, i don't care about bullshit opinions.
i already know what the outcome of such a poll would be.
it's like a monthly event that some bitter poster makes a topic about Dr.Dre taking too much credit.
you need more objectivity support your view, otherwise it's pointless.
anyway i appreciate that you tried to come clean, i guess this is a beginning.
but other that your short apology, you still don't recognise the mistakes you made, so you're falling short with trying to end the argument.
not to mention that you point the finger at me again.
i can't help you any further with pointing out the mistakes you made: you need to figure that out yourself via self reflection.
i didn't start it.
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
easily, The Eminem Show is a near classic in my book.
but this is hated on WAY too much & its way better than Encore.
some of you guys have to bump beautiful and get what he's saying. ;) 8)
+1 to you, sir. Wholeheartedly agree.
Haven't finished my DUBCNN review yet, but I basically suggest the same thing at one point. Excerpt:
"The album’s finest moment is undoubtedly “Beautiful.” A startlingly poignant outpouring, it is perhaps the only moment on Relapse that snapshots Marshall Mathers’ current existence. Sounding uncharacteristically beaten, Em is heartbreaking as he explains how his self-imposed exile has left him, “So fucking depressed.” The track is as telling as it is affecting, however, and goes some way to explaining Relapse’s perceived weaknesses. If the jokes sound labored, it’s because they probably are; “I think I’m starting to lose my sense of humor / Everything’s so tense and gloom,” is his haunting confirmation. The album’s occasional incoherence is also suddenly understandable. If Relapse lacks satisfactory insight into the life of the best rapper alive, it’s simply because he no longer has a life to rap about. Untrusting of outsiders that cater to his whims like, “A fucking manservant,” his retreat to Detroit consequentially left him alienated from the wider world."
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
easily, The Eminem Show is a near classic in my book.
but this is hated on WAY too much & its way better than Encore.
some of you guys have to bump beautiful and get what he's saying. ;) 8)
+1 to you, sir. Wholeheartedly agree.
Haven't finished my DUBCNN review yet, but I basically suggest the same thing at one point. Excerpt:
"The album’s finest moment is undoubtedly “Beautiful.” A startlingly poignant outpouring, it is perhaps the only moment on Relapse that snapshots Marshall Mathers’ current existence. Sounding uncharacteristically beaten, Em is heartbreaking as he explains how his self-imposed exile has left him, “So fucking depressed.” The track is as telling as it is affecting, however, and goes some way to explaining Relapse’s perceived weaknesses. If the jokes sound labored, it’s because they probably are; “I think I’m starting to lose my sense of humor / Everything’s so tense and gloom,” is his haunting confirmation. The album’s occasional incoherence is also suddenly understandable. If Relapse lacks satisfactory insight into the life of the best rapper alive, it’s simply because he no longer has a life to rap about. Untrusting of outsiders that cater to his whims like, “A fucking manservant,” his retreat to Detroit consequentially left him alienated from the wider world."
Based on this paragraph,
Good lord! Finally someone gets it! It's not brain science. Mutherfuckas need to listen to what's being spit more.
Though, you're review might be harsh, I don't know.
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I've noticed a lot of people saying Relapse is better than The Eminem Show. I think some of you are just happy that Relapse wasn't an abortion like Encore. The Eminem Show is still way better than Relapse.
easily, The Eminem Show is a near classic in my book.
but this is hated on WAY too much & its way better than Encore.
some of you guys have to bump beautiful and get what he's saying. ;) 8)
+1 to you, sir. Wholeheartedly agree.
Haven't finished my DUBCNN review yet, but I basically suggest the same thing at one point. Excerpt:
"The album’s finest moment is undoubtedly “Beautiful.” A startlingly poignant outpouring, it is perhaps the only moment on Relapse that snapshots Marshall Mathers’ current existence. Sounding uncharacteristically beaten, Em is heartbreaking as he explains how his self-imposed exile has left him, “So fucking depressed.” The track is as telling as it is affecting, however, and goes some way to explaining Relapse’s perceived weaknesses. If the jokes sound labored, it’s because they probably are; “I think I’m starting to lose my sense of humor / Everything’s so tense and gloom,” is his haunting confirmation. The album’s occasional incoherence is also suddenly understandable. If Relapse lacks satisfactory insight into the life of the best rapper alive, it’s simply because he no longer has a life to rap about. Untrusting of outsiders that cater to his whims like, “A fucking manservant,” his retreat to Detroit consequentially left him alienated from the wider world."
wow, sound like a dope review! :o
can't wait for you to drop it. ;) 8)
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^yeah, like the analysis.
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I aint listen to a full track yet, except for the singles. i wanna hear that shit fresh when i buy it.
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I aint listen to a full track yet, except for the singles. i wanna hear that shit fresh when i buy it.
yeah, me too. At first I wasn't gonna buy it but then I read so many positive posts about this that I preordered it 8)
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Hey guys,
The last page (20) was really interesting. Some of you have really good points about the rain man character and the lyrics on beautiful that says it all.
Can't wait for the review of the album.
Eminem and Dr. Dre are both pure musical geniuses and the album is DOPE !
Perfect album to listen to blunted, with all the details in the music, it sounds crazy. Especially with good headphones of course, its very different.
I listen to it everyday, and the melodies are stuck in my head.
Relapse 2 and Detox are gonna be insane...
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I aint listen to a full track yet, except for the singles. i wanna hear that shit fresh when i buy it.
yeah, me too. At first I wasn't gonna buy it but then I read so many positive posts about this that I preordered it 8)
Make sure you sit real comfortable with nice headphones or speakers and play that shit from beginning to end ;)
This is not an album that everyone are gonna forget about after 2 weeks or so, its the kind of album the haters will start recognize after a while hehe
First i didnt fell Dre´s new style, i thought it sounded too much like the beats he gives to 50cent, but now when i listened to it everyday non-stop (which i never do with albums) i can hear the greatness that Dre wants to deliver to our ears - He REALLY did it with this one! Eminem too, he rides thoose beats like no one else could! (Well of course Crooked & Co could too)
3AM, crack a bottle, We Made you and For old Times Sake are the songs i dont listen to so much - I cant figure out why they released those songs as teasers, it makes no sense because the album includes so many other songs that are str8 BANGERS!!
Where did all the Haters go that claims that Dre falled off?
Hahaha this album is a long-ass middlefinger pointed str8 in your BitchAss-Faces!
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fcuk Dre n his generic production.. his beats just get worse n worse
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Question: anyone know if a CLEAN version of the album leaked? I've got the explicit rip, but I'd only be able to play the edited one at the day job. :-\
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just gave this album a solid couple listens and the whole concept is very cool... its dark eearie the only thing i dont like about it is songs like "We Made You" and "Crack A Bottle" it seems as if they dont belong with this dark album.
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The wait is over…Eminem’s Relapse is here
Category: Music
Starting today, Eminem fans can pre-order exclusive versions of Eminem’s long-awaited album, Relapse.
Here are a few of the things you’ll find only at www.eminem.com:
·Autographed Relapse prints
·Limited-edition Relapse T-shirts and Hoodies
·Premium 320kbps MP3 downloads
·iPod compatible videos
·Bonus songs, CDs, Vinyl, and more
All Relapse pre-orders come with an immediate download of an iPod-compatible video for “3 a.m.”, and fans will be emailed a link to download the remaining digital content when Relapse is available on May 19.
Head on over to Eminem.com and pre-order your copy of Relapse now!
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what are the bonus songs?
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yay bonus songs
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who else than 13-17 year old teenagers listen to eminem.... lol
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Hey man, you've been dropping info on Busta since 05 I think and we all appreciate that (at least I do) but don't be mad because his new album sucks.
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i'm having a relapse is could be one of the joints
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i'm having a relapse is could be one of the joints
i guess, but that's weak; just an old freestyle? :-X
i hope he's got something new for us.
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I could be wrong but I think its I'm having a relapse,crack a bottle shady remix and one other track
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"College Made Me Do It" by Will Smiff Dogg >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Relapse" by Eminem
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"College Made Me Do It" by Will Smiff Dogg >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Relapse" by Eminem
your opinon holds strong on this board too, i hope you don't take too many Relapse support's to the dark side way of thinking. ::)
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lol i was just post whoring. but i mean that tho, but i fuck with Relapse, it's just a lil too long 4 everybody's satisfaction- but who cares u can still bang out a 12 track (atleast) LP outta it so the more the better.
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who else than 13-17 year old teenagers listen to eminem.... lol
Well, who listens to Flipmode?
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who else than 13-17 year old teenagers listen to eminem.... lol
Well, who listens to Flipmode?
Grown up people.... ::)
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who else than 13-17 year old teenagers listen to eminem.... lol
Relapse has a lot of flaws but it's still better than that bullshit album :P
it's not even worth downloading
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21. Careful What You Wish For
22. My Darling
I heard that those are the bonus songs.. Couldn't verify it though
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Dre can still produce sum nice tracks, YES!!!
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Deluxe Versions of Eminem's New Album Relapse, Featuring Two Additional Tracks, to be Available Via Digital Retailers and Eminem.com on May 19th
RELAPSE CD WILL ALSO FEATURE LINK TO DOWNLOAD ONE EXCLUSIVE TRACK
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SANTA MONICA, Calif., May 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Deluxe versions of multi-platinum hip-hop artist Eminem's brand-new album Relapse will be made available through all digital retailers on May 19th, the same day the physical album goes on-sale in stores.
One deluxe version will feature two bonus tracks not included on the physical CD, as well as videos for Eminem's recent singles "3AM" and "We Made You." Another deluxe version will be made available which features the same two bonus tracks without the videos.
Buyers of the physical CD will be able to download one hidden track by playing the disc on a computer and visiting www.eminem.com.
Fans who buy the album at Eminem.com will get the bonus audio and video as well as a chance to buy special limited album bundles that come with a signed 24x24 art quality print, exclusive t-shirts and sweatshirts, album vinyl and more.
Produced by Eminem's long-time collaborator Dr. Dre, the highly anticipated Relapse is Eminem's first album since 2004's 4x-platinum Encore. Several songs have already been released digitally, including "3AM," "Old Time's Sake," "We Made You," and "Crack a Bottle," which set a Nielsen Soundscan record for opening week download sales when it sold 418,000 digital tracks in its first week of release on iTunes in February. For more about Eminem, please visit www.eminem.com
SOURCE Interscope Records
http://ca.sys-con.com/node/962788
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Relapse>B.O.M.B only because of the production
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Don't know if it's already been posted, but here is the back cover art and the CD labeling:
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Eminem will appear on the hit cartoon series "Family Guy" this Sunday (May 17th). The rapper will be featured in several interstital programing breaks through the entire night on FOX. What exactly will Eminem be doing? Well as Eminem's manager Paul Rosenberg says "What? Why? Tune in and find out what Stuey and Em chop it up about... Classic material."
"It was a thrill to work with Stewie," Eminem said in a press release. "I'm a big fan of talking babies and their humor."
check the link for a pic of stewie and Em:
http://www.rapbasement.com/eminem/051209-rapper-eminem-will-appear-on-the-hit-cartoon-series-family-guy-this-sunday-may-17th.html
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Eminem will be part of interstital programing breaks through the entire night on FOX" Souds interesting. Good promo for Eminem being on a hit tv show, then having speicial program breaks throughout the night on FOX, Sounds like some diffrent smart promotion for album. It be iteresting to see how it turns out
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The wait is over…Eminem’s Relapse is here
Category: Music
Starting today, Eminem fans can pre-order exclusive versions of Eminem’s long-awaited album, Relapse.
Here are a few of the things you’ll find only at www.eminem.com:
·Autographed Relapse prints
·Limited-edition Relapse T-shirts and Hoodies
·Premium 320kbps MP3 downloads
·iPod compatible videos
·Bonus songs, CDs, Vinyl, and more
All Relapse pre-orders come with an immediate download of an iPod-compatible video for “3 a.m.”, and fans will be emailed a link to download the remaining digital content when Relapse is available on May 19.
Head on over to Eminem.com and pre-order your copy of Relapse now!
I dont know why, but i really want that collectiable Relapse Pilll bottle. Looks just like a regualar prescription bottle but with Rx Relapse Prescibed by Dre and all that. I think that would be a fuckin dope collectable to Remember Relapse....I dont know if I wanna spend 120 on the huge gift set just to get collectiable pill bottle, thr Eminem autograph and vinal would be dope too
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Check it out.......
http://www.youngandthefly.com/2009/05/eminem-relaps-iphoneipod-video-game.html
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To celebrate the release of his highly-anticipated new album, 'Relapse', Eminem is bringing a ‘Relapse Rehab Centre’ to Covent Garden in London on Monday 18th May.
Location -Covent Garden Piazz
Opening Time -8am – 8pm
Inside The 'Relapse' Centre -
Eminem lookalikes will approach members of the public, encouraging them to participate in the Relapse Rehab Centre
They will check in, and will be given a 'Relapse' wristband (featuring details of Facebook group)
Upon entering the Relapse Rehab Centre, the participants will be greeted by nurses who will offer them a branded test tube filled with ‘blood’ and show them to a vacant hospital bed where they can listen to the album, here they will have their photos takes
While the hospital beds are full, guests can sit in the hospital bench chill out areas
They will be ‘prescribed’ a bottle of Pills from the prescription zone from a nurse
Prior to leaving the 'Relapse' experience they will be encouraged to visit a massage zone, where two surgeons (masseuses) are giving 2-3 minute rehab head and shoulder massage
When they get to their computer they may go on Facebook to check out their photo in the grou
Zones Summary -
Chill out tables and benches, hospital bed chill out, pill prescription zone, test tube trolley and fridge, massage zone
'Relapse' (the album) is released on Monday, May 18th
LINKY http://www.xtaster.co.uk/publiccontent_article.aspx?id=7857
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Man I wish i could go to this! Eminem look alikes asking people to partake in Relapse Rehab center. Check in and get Relapse wrist band, Nurses giving you test tubes filled with blood and take you to hospital bed to lisen to album, photos taken, then getting prescribed a medication bottle of special edition Relapse medicie bottle, prior to leaving surgeons are giving you a 2 3 min massage for rehab
ANd look at the areas! Chill out tables and benches, hospital bed chill out, pill prescription zone, test tube trolley and fridge, massage zone
EMINEM has stepped up the promotion game with this! This is insane... A Fully theme place themed to his album, with free Medicine bottles that say Relapse prescribed by Dre, to evrything they got goin on. Crazy!!
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Listening to it as a concept album and knowing "the story behind the songs", it all make sense. The more I listen to it it keeps getting better imo.
Not his best album but better than some garbage other artists dropping lately.
I hope Relapse 2 starts where this album ends.
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Listening to it as a concept album and knowing "the story behind the songs", it all make sense. The more I listen to it it keeps getting better imo.
Not his best album but better than some garbage other artists dropping lately.
I hope Relapse 2 starts where this album ends.
After listened to this album from beginning to end everyday since it leaked im ready to say that this is a classic album and yes, its mostly thanx to Dr.Dre, this album has an extremely high replay value! Say what you want but this is his best one - THANK YOU DR.DRE this was a nice gift to make me stand the wait for Detox!
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sick!!! Eminem kills it!!
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It ain't that good but it's hot
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Merged a lot of the topics. Unless it's somethig really new and important post all news here.
The album has mad replay value, last time it was like this was Ultimate Victory. Just put this in the car, it's definetly a sonic experience. Probably the best produced cd since 2001.
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To celebrate the release of his highly-anticipated new album, 'Relapse', Eminem is bringing a ‘Relapse Rehab Centre’ to Covent Garden in London on Monday 18th May.
Location -Covent Garden Piazz
Opening Time -8am – 8pm
Inside The 'Relapse' Centre -
Eminem lookalikes will approach members of the public, encouraging them to participate in the Relapse Rehab Centre
They will check in, and will be given a 'Relapse' wristband (featuring details of Facebook group)
Upon entering the Relapse Rehab Centre, the participants will be greeted by nurses who will offer them a branded test tube filled with ‘blood’ and show them to a vacant hospital bed where they can listen to the album, here they will have their photos takes
While the hospital beds are full, guests can sit in the hospital bench chill out areas
They will be ‘prescribed’ a bottle of Pills from the prescription zone from a nurse
Prior to leaving the 'Relapse' experience they will be encouraged to visit a massage zone, where two surgeons (masseuses) are giving 2-3 minute rehab head and shoulder massage
When they get to their computer they may go on Facebook to check out their photo in the grou
Zones Summary -
Chill out tables and benches, hospital bed chill out, pill prescription zone, test tube trolley and fridge, massage zone
'Relapse' (the album) is released on Monday, May 18th
LINKY http://www.xtaster.co.uk/publiccontent_article.aspx?id=7857
I thought this was thread material, The way there doin promotion on this album is crazy! This is by far the crazyiest promotion idea ive ever seen
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The promotion they be doing for this album is crazy. Seriously nobody can blame interscope if this shit fails to sell!...which it wont! Eminem going to do huge numbersfirst two weeks atleast with this album, its everywhere.
As for the actual album, like i said review is coming! I just been hearing it alot recently, still dont think its dope or anything and i def dont agree with meho that its the best produced cd since 2001, but i do like some of the productions on it and some of the flows from eminem. Like i said, it coming! I feel this is one of them cds, gets bumped good for a week or two and then never gets spun again, for me anyway. We'll see, some of the lyrics and content is seriously wack but there are moments of great lyrics and flows too...
review will be coming soon!lol
pz!
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This album grows on you.I like it more after every spin.
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This album grows on you.I like it more after every spin.
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Eminem Producer Couldn't Believe MC Wanted 'We Made You' Beat
'I believed in that song, but I didn't know it would make it to where it did,' Doc Ish says.
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When it comes time for Eminem to release an album, he always sticks to his tried-and-true formula. The first singles are comical celebrity takedowns, featuring Em's revved-up Slim Shady persona on a track produced by Dr. Dre (think "My Name Is and "The Real Slim Shady").
On "We Made You," however, the lead single from Relapse, another beatsmith set the foundation for Eminem's return: Connecticut producer Doc Ish.
The Hartford native has worked with some of the underground's finest rappers, from AZ to Talib Kweli. But when he created the beat for "We Made You," he never imagined it would land in the hands of Marshall Mathers. He originally shopped the record — with the same hook, sung by Charmagne Tripp — to Red Café, before D12 member Bizarre picked it up.
But after writing his own version of "We Made You," Bizarre called Doc Ish with news that Eminem wanted the record. Because Bizarre is such a jokester, though, Doc didn't believe him. So he hung up on him.
"He called me at a bad time, so when he was like, 'Marshall wants the record,' I was like, 'Yeah, right,' " Doc told MTV News. "He was like, 'No, seriously, I'm not playing.' And Bizarre is a comical dude, so it's hard to know if he's playing or not. I didn't have time that day; I was busy mixing a record for Saigon. So I basically hung up on him. So he called me back with his cousin, Gambino, from Hartford, and he's who I know Biz through. And [Gambino] was like, 'Ish, he's for real, he's not playing.' So they put me in touch with [Eminem's] management. I was still like, 'OK,' 'cause Bizarre plays jokes on people. But within five minutes, his management called, and they said they wanted the song. I believed in that song, but I didn't know it would make it to where it did."
The song was picked up in November of last year, and the video premiered last month on MTV.
The accomplishment served as a testament to Doc Ish's perseverance. In 2004, the producer, who suffers from lupus, endured heart problems that he struggled with into the beginning of last year. Once he finally got a grasp on things, Doc — a former rapper, who had to give up rhyming because of a lack of breath control from his condition — turned to producing with fervor. He still remains a part of his group, the Abnormals, consisting of Apollo Swyf, Colloso and Belly. But nowadays, he keeps his rhymes limited to short bursts.
In the meantime, Doc is working on a compilation album, Arbitration, that he hopes to release later this year. He's negotiating a deal for the project, which includes tracks with Sean Price, Kool G Rap and Bizarre.
He also, of course, hopes to land a track on Eminem's Relapse
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Yea doc ish was a co-producer
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Merged a lot of the topics. Unless it's somethig really new and important post all news here.
The album has mad replay value, last time it was like this was Ultimate Victory. Just put this in the car, it's definetly a sonic experience. Probably the best produced cd since 2001.
wow :o
aren't you a little too enthusiastic?
not referring to the mixing off course.
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I can't think of any better. GRODT, Documentary, Massacre and Big Bang were also very well produced cds but they all had tons of different producers, so the vibe wasn't as cohesive as on Relapse.
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I can't think of any better. GRODT, Documentary, Massacre and Big Bang were also very well produced cds but they all had tons of different producers, so the vibe wasn't as cohesive as on Relapse.
i see your point, but despite the fact that Relapse is basically done by one producer, it doesn't have that much of a cohesive vibe in compared to other albums that had similar input from Dre.
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I can't think of any better. GRODT, Documentary, Massacre and Big Bang were also very well produced cds but they all had tons of different producers, so the vibe wasn't as cohesive as on Relapse.
i see your point, but despite the fact that Relapse is basically done by one producer, it doesn't have that much of a cohesive vibe in compared to other albums that had similar input from Dre.
Relapse works well within its concept.
Which other albums have had similar input from Dre? 2001...before that, Doggystyle?
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I can't think of any better. GRODT, Documentary, Massacre and Big Bang were also very well produced cds but they all had tons of different producers, so the vibe wasn't as cohesive as on Relapse.
i see your point, but despite the fact that Relapse is basically done by one producer, it doesn't have that much of a cohesive vibe in compared to other albums that had similar input from Dre.
Relapse works well within its concept.
Which other albums have had similar input from Dre? 2001...before that, Doggystyle?
Doggystyle, Chronic, Niggaz4life, Staight Outta Compton, No One Can Do It Better to name a few.
i think there's a few more from the Ruthless era
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Exactly, going back almost 20 years to find a time when Dre regularly had major input on an album. All of those albums you mentioned were basically steps in the evolution of the G-Funk sound, so granted, they would sound a lot more cohesive.
This is the first Dre-produced album for 10 years and in that time he's experimented with and refined different sounds. You can hear them all on Relapse; the album requires variations in its sound to execute its concept.
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Full credits:
Eminem
Relapse
Aftermath/Interscope records, 2009
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01. Dr. West (Skit)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Eminem
Performed by Dominic West & Eminem
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr.
Mixed by Dr. Dre
02. 3 A.M.
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Trevor Lawrence Jr. & Mike Elizondo
Intro, Bass & Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
03. My Mom
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Mixed by Dr. Dre
04. Insane
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Trevor Lawrence Jr. & Mike Elizondo
Scratches by Trevor Lawrence Jr.
Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad
Produced by Dr. Dre & Trevor Lawrence Jr.
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Trevor Lawrence Jr. & Mike Elizondo
Guitar by Sean Cruse
Mixed by Dr. Dre
06. Hello
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Mixed by Dr. Dre
07. Tonya (Skit)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Eminem
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Mixed by Dr. Dre
08. Same Song & Dance
Produced by Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
09. We Made You (feat. Charmagne Tripp)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Eminem
Additional production by Doc Ish
Keyboards by Mark Batson
Chours vocals by Charmagne Tripp
Mixed by Dr. Dre
10. Medicine Ball
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Mixed by Dr. Dre
11. Paul (Skit)
12. Stay Wide Awake
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
13. Old Time's Sake (feat. Dr. Dre)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Mixed by Dr. Dre
14. Must Be The Ganja
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Bass & Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Background vocals by Traci Nelson
Mixed by Dr. Dre
15. Mr. Mathers (Skit)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Eminem
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Mixed by Dr. Dre
16. Déjà Vu
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Guitar by Sean Cruse
Mixed by Dr. Dre
17. Beautiful
Produced by Eminem
Keyboards by Jeff Bass & Luis Resto
Bass & Guitar Jeff Bass
Mixed by Eminem & Mike Strange
18. Crack A Bottle (feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent)
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Bass & Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Sample submitted by Eric Danchick
Mixed by Dr. Dre
19. Steve Berman (Skit)
20. Underground
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Chours vocals produced by Sauce
Chours vocals by Kip Blackshire, Tamara Powell, Tavia Ivey & Lisa Ivey
Mixed by Dr. Dre
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
21. My Darling
Produced by Eminem
22. Careful What You Wish For
Produced by Eminem
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Dr. Dre
Leftover
I'm Having A Relapse
Produced by Dawaun Parker
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interesting, Sean Cruse was also on 2001.
anyway, continued from:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=217653.msg2199643#msg2199643
We Made You (feat. Charmagne Tripp)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Eminem
Additional production by Doc Ish
Keyboards by Mark Batson
Chours vocals by Charmagne Tripp
Mixed by Dr. Dre
i told you, that you were wrong Laconic ;)
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Prelapse to the Relapse Special
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlIfbb3L-VY&feature=channel
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-FCggoUMcU&feature=channel
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1ROPMdCrw&feature=channel
Doesn't know where the accents came from, they just morphed into creation. He doesn't care what anyone thinks anymore. He's just going to do him for now on. While he was a huge Christopher Reeves fan the paradox of Reeves being superman and becoming a paraplegic has always been an interesting but amusing paradox. His goal is to get you to laugh at the most fucked up shit he spits. He admits he is an addict and talks about that process.
Insane: how a rhyme goes bad, it means nothing at the end of the day. I want to see how far I can take this before people actually puke.
Bagpipes from Baghdad: Certain people just got to get it. Some people become permanent fixtures in my lyrical mixtures and not just to quote the record but its true. Certain people in the industry have just become my enemy over the years.
Hello: Re-Introduction since he hasn't been here in the past 4 to 5 years. It's a acquittance to Marshall and Shady.
Same Song and Dance: Trick was to get women to dance to it and not know what the fuck they're listening too. A twisted manipulation of the standard dance song.
Stay Wide Awake: a demented serial killer love song, blames television for the creation of it
Old Times Sake: a fun record, it is what it is
Must Be the Ganja: It must be the smell of the weed, the henny in the studio with Dre that's got his mind in the zone
Deja Vu & Beautiful: part of album where you put jokes aside and sums up his past couple of years. Deja Vu is the actual even that happened, gives people an idea of where he's been in the past 4-5 years. Beautiful is where he was battling everything and had yet to come to the realization that he was an addict. Only song used on the record when he was high. The time period was fucking horrible but the track captures that for him. Only song that he felt was good enough for the record from that time period.
Underground: Metaphorically speaking, the subject matter and the shit he talks about is an attempt to take it back to his days when he didn't give a fuck about what he had to say. Back to the hip-hop shop days, the dirty dozen days where he wasn't famous and didn't have to hold back his tongue. This is the kind of shit he used to spit for punchlines and is him going back to those days.
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Prelapse to the Relapse Special
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlIfbb3L-VY&feature=channel
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-FCggoUMcU&feature=channel
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1ROPMdCrw&feature=channel
Doesn't know where the accents came from, they just morphed into creation. He doesn't care what anyone thinks anymore. He's just going to do him for now on. While he was a huge Christopher Reeves fan the paradox of Reeves being superman and becoming a paraplegic has always been an interesting but amusing paradox. His goal is to get you to laugh at the most fucked up shit he spits. He admits he is an addict and talks about that process.
Insane: how a rhyme goes bad, it means nothing at the end of the day. I want to see how far I can take this before people actually puke.
Bagpipes from Baghdad: Certain people just got to get it. Some people become permanent fixtures in my lyrical mixtures and not just to quote the record but its true. Certain people in the industry have just become my enemy over the years.
Hello: Re-Introduction since he hasn't been here in the past 4 to 5 years. It's a acquittance to Marshall and Shady.
Same Song and Dance: Trick was to get women to dance to it and not know what the fuck they're listening too. A twisted manipulation of the standard dance song.
Stay Wide Awake: a demented serial killer love song, blames television for the creation of it
Old Times Sake: a fun record, it is what it is
Must Be the Ganja: It must be the smell of the weed, the henny in the studio with Dre that's got his mind in the zone
Deja Vu & Beautiful: part of album where you put jokes aside and sums up his past couple of years. Deja Vu is the actual even that happened, gives people an idea of where he's been in the past 4-5 years. Beautiful is where he was battling everything and had yet to come to the realization that he was an addict. Only song used on the record when he was high. The time period was fucking horrible but the track captures that for him. Only song that he felt was good enough for the record from that time period.
Underground: Metaphorically speaking, the subject matter and the shit he talks about is an attempt to take it back to his days when he didn't give a fuck about what he had to say. Back to the hip-hop shop days, the dirty dozen days where he wasn't famous and didn't have to hold back his tongue. This is the kind of shit he used to spit for punchlines and is him going back to those days.
actually he does care about what others think of his music, otherwise he wouldn't state that Encore didn't get the props he thinks it deserves
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His point was he's going to keep making the music he wants to make despite objectors. If you listen to the album, he kept with the accents despite the overall hate it got on Encore and he didn't discuss the subjects most people wanted to know about such as Proof, he spit what he wanted to spit about. So, I would say his statement was relatively accurate.
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he said in the interview on Jimmy Kimmel that anyone who says they don't care what the critics think is a liar.
your always going to care what they think even if you don't show it.
but he also said as long as the fans are happy he's happy, which brings up the point if he wants the fans to be happy but their only happy if there is no accent and he goes back to his MMLP days, why isn't he? :P
but this whole record (bonus tracks included) is a real dope joint. 8)
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His point was he's going to keep making the music he wants to make despite objectors. If you listen to the album, he kept with the accents despite the overall hate it got on Encore and he didn't discuss the subjects most people wanted to know about such as Proof, he spit what he wanted to spit about. So, I would say his statement was relatively accurate.
true, it didn't bother him too much, to force himself to change it.
but to a certain extent it did bother him that people criticised his direction.
by the way, i noticed that you've dropped a lot of good posts :)
you're a nice addition to the forum :sun:
you like to discuss music, which is rare on this board :laugh:
so welcome to the force! :cheers: :scarface:
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I can't remember the last album Dr. Dre has produced THIS MUCH of. Other than his own solo albums.
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which brings up the point if he wants the fans to be happy but their only happy if there is no accent and he goes back to his MMLP days, why isn't he? :P
You really think Eminem fans aren't happy even with the accent? :laugh:
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which brings up the point if he wants the fans to be happy but their only happy if there is no accent and he goes back to his MMLP days, why isn't he? :P
You really think Eminem fans aren't happy even with the accent? :laugh:
well i'm not going to lie, i am happy too lol.
but at first i would have prefered that he didn't do it & i know he knew people didn't want it; but he did it anyway lol.
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The accents make it sound sorta weird, but after the second or third listen or even after 4 tracks you don't notice anymore. Only 1 you can't help notice is 3am.
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Here's a real dope interview with Em, seems genuine with the responses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QYfsUbI8u4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08YVhQSJOPQ
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Here's a real dope interview with Em, seems genuine with the responses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QYfsUbI8u4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08YVhQSJOPQ
dope shit. ;) 8)
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he said in the interview on Jimmy Kimmel that anyone who says they don't care what the critics think is a liar.
your always going to care what they think even if you don't show it.
but he also said as long as the fans are happy he's happy, which brings up the point if he wants the fans to be happy but their only happy if there is no accent and he goes back to his MMLP days, why isn't he? :P
but this whole record (bonus tracks included) is a real dope joint. 8)
True, true.
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Here's a real dope interview with Em, seems genuine with the responses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QYfsUbI8u4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08YVhQSJOPQ
dope shit. ;) 8)
Yeah, nice interview, props!
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Albums been growing on me a lot.
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How do i get the bonus songs, i bought the cd today in sweden and i dont know how to get them, i heard something about a 3rd song that you could get by using a code in the booklet or something??
I have I-tunes on the computer but im getting old so i not into how it works, pls help me out guys :)
//Robin
Edited: You guys still dissing europeans when we ask you for help?
Ps. Relapse still got that MAD replay value, fuck the haters this is gonna be labeled as a classic, believe it ;)
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^we had a thread up with the links of the two bonus songs, if you want them.
both mad good songs too. 8)
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^we had a thread up with the links of the two bonus songs, if you want them.
both mad good songs too. 8)
Yes thanks man, but i have d/l them, but i read at eminem.com a while ago that theres a 3rd bonus song that you could get if you had the booklet to the album or something??
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Good points : Solid and Cohesive production , very few features , this is an album not a compilation , very very rare these days : 3.5/5
Bad points : Eminem unbearable ton of voice , lack of a sharp flow make very difficult to listen to a whole song without being very annoyed : 1/5
Best songs : Deja vu , Beautiful , Underground and Insane .. rest has little replay value
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^we had a thread up with the links of the two bonus songs, if you want them.
both mad good songs too. 8)
Yes thanks man, but i have d/l them, but i read at eminem.com a while ago that theres a 3rd bonus song that you could get if you had the booklet to the album or something??
Really? I saw that twitter post people were talking about but at the end of his sentence he include the phrase My Darling so I assumed he was just hinting at that track.
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You little Wench ya, murder wasn't my intention
If I wanted to kill you it would of already been done
Slowly she gets in and I begin to lynch her
With sixty-six inches of extension... cord.
My favourite part of the whole album 8)
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^we had a thread up with the links of the two bonus songs, if you want them.
both mad good songs too. 8)
Yes thanks man, but i have d/l them, but i read at eminem.com a while ago that theres a 3rd bonus song that you could get if you had the booklet to the album or something??
find out about that shit. 8)
You little Wench ya, murder wasn't my intention
If I wanted to kill you it would of already been done
Slowly she gets in and I begin to lynch her
With sixty-six inches of extension... cord.
My favourite part of the whole album 8)
yeah, loved that shit. 8)
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http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9789/emitunes.jpg
woooow :o :o
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http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9789/emitunes.jpg
woooow :o :o
20 countries, god damn :O
Just bought this and after the first listen I love it. I was expecting much less because some people have been so disappointed with this. Gonna bump this some more 8)
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http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9789/emitunes.jpg
woooow :o :o
thats my G! 8)
Em is owning the charts!
did Wayne do that good?
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"Same Song & Dance" is dope! I've been sleepin on this one
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Insane and same song and dance are my two favorites.His wordplay on insane is just that,insane.That second verse is bonkers
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Insane and same song and dance are my two favorites.His wordplay on insane is just that,insane.That second verse is bonkers
Contents too sick for me to get into that track, he did say he was tryna make people spew up by listening to that track though lol
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Yeah it is dark but its also brilliant.
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http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9789/emitunes.jpg
woooow :o :o
thats my G! 8)
Em is owning the charts!
did Wayne do that good?
hey, relax :laugh:
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What's the overall sales?
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What's the overall sales?
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the cd is dope as fuck
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What's the overall sales?
I don't know an exact number, but last I heard it was over 800,000. One of only a few albums to even do that this year. I know it stayed number one for two weeks straight on billboard. Not sure about week 3 though.
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Relapse is probally my favorite Eminem album of all time . Dope album 8) 8)
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Has any instrumentals from the album leaked?
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After bumping eminem's relapse again in the car, i discovered it's fucking good. It has a good production on it and you can year the quality of the mixing proces on it.
This shit makes me crave for relapse 2!!!!!
What y'all think!
I agree, haven't listened to it in awhile though. Mixing on it is perfection though
Best Album of 09 for sure....
sure instrumental wise... his fuckin Accent makes it unlistenable. new bow wow mixtape shits all over relapse and that fkn accent
It was nice to get a near completely Dre produced CD but for me that was the best thing about it, the rest was ::)
best album this year.....so far
I don't even notice the accent because he comes so tight on his rhymes
he released that mariah carey diss with no accent and he seemed like he was bored
dissapointing album imo. little replay value and flat sounding production for the most part. not to mention the silly accents.
dissapointing album imo. little replay value and flat sounding production for the most part. not to mention the silly accents.
little replay value for me aswell... Don't ever plan on hearing it again.
update part.1
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I just bumped this yesterday. I dig the album. Like most concept orientated albums I can't listen to it consistently aside from a few tracks. The second half of the album is far superior than the first. The production still sounds fresh as ever; I even enjoy it more now then I when I first heard it.
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Eminem Relapse Aftermath/Interscope records, 2009
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02. 3 A.M.
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Trevor Lawrence Jr. & Mike Elizondo
Intro, Bass & Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
the woodpecker from space decided to fuck up a dope beat >:(
03. My Mom
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Mixed by Dr. Dre
the woodpecker from space decided to fuck up a dope beat again,now I need a Valium >:( :-[
04. Insane
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Trevor Lawrence Jr. & Mike Elizondo
Scratches by Trevor Lawrence Jr.
Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
the woodpecker from space decided to fuck up another dope beat
05. Bagpipes From Baghdad
Produced by Dr. Dre & Trevor Lawrence Jr.
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Trevor Lawrence Jr. & Mike Elizondo
Guitar by Sean Cruse
Mixed by Dr. Dre
music to his ears? well the piece of shit you just wasted another dope beat with his woodpecker flow
06. Hello
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Mixed by Dr. Dre
never meant to leave us? the dude can go AWOL again for all I care
08. Same Song & Dance
Produced by Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
another tight beat wasted >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
10. Medicine Ball
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Mixed by Dr. Dre
fuckings ill beat.... that would fit for example RBX perfect... ohhh no we got the woodpecker from space fucking it up instead >:( >:( >:( >:(
12. Stay Wide Awake
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Mike Elizondo
Mixed by Dr. Dre
another ill beat... not sure who would sound good on it,but my ears hurts when listing to his woodpecker flow :-[ :-[ :-[
13. Old Time's Sake (feat. Dr. Dre)
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Mixed by Dr. Dre
so Dre decided to lower himself to retard flow to match Em's woodpecker flow? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-X >:( >:( >:( >:(
the beat is tight though.
14. Must Be The Ganja
Produced by Dr. Dre & Mark Batson
Keyboards by Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker & Trevor Lawrence Jr
Bass & Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Background vocals by Traci Nelson
Mixed by Dr. Dre
He feels like dancing? I feel like smacking Dre in the head for giving the woodpecker another dope beat. >:( >:( >:(
16. Déjà Vu
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Guitar by Sean Cruse
Mixed by Dr. Dre
another tight beat wasted >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
17. Beautiful
Produced by Eminem
Keyboards by Jeff Bass & Luis Resto
Bass & Guitar Jeff Bass
Mixed by Eminem & Mike Strange
he dropped his woodpecker flow :o :o :o :o but hey we missed his rock shit after all that high pitch shit :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
rock or not,brilliant lyrics...
18. Crack A Bottle (feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent)
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Bass & Guitar by Eric "Jesus" Coomes
Sample submitted by Eric Danchick
Mixed by Dr. Dre
dope beat... but fuck the rest
20. Underground
Produced by Dr. Dre
Keyboards by Mark Batson & Dawaun Parker
Chorus vocals produced by Sauce
Chorus vocals by Kip Blackshire, Tamara Powell, Tavia Ivey & Lisa Ivey
Mixed by Dr. Dre
beat is insane :o :o :o no woodpecker flow this time around, but not fan of his regular flow either,so.....
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
21. My Darling
Produced by Eminem
fuckings brilliant... the last verse is insane :o :o :o
22. Careful What You Wish For
Produced by Eminem
song writer skills at it's best
Conclusion;
Where´s the damn Relapse instrumental album? ;D ;D :laugh:
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I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he will use the accent, and will have half dre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primo beat will be epic!!! Relapse 2 will better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some beats other than dre, and think outside the box. If you thnk about it Em always uses the same producers pretty much. EM over Primo, Kanye(when he does his good shit), 9th Wonder would be insane!
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I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
What :D
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I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
damn fool you really need to use spell check
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I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
damn fool you really need to use spell check
I'm guessing alcohol or marijuana had something to do with typing that post 8)
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I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
damn fool you really need to use spell check
:D
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I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
What :D
I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
damn fool you really need to use spell check
:D
I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
damn fool you really need to use spell check
I'm guessing alcohol or marijuana had something to do with typing that post 8)
I just cant wait for Relapse 2, I dont think he wil use the accent, and will have half fre deats and half beats we never heard em rap over. Should be dope! Em over Just Blaze tracks sand and a primp beat will bde epic!!! Relapse 2 wkill better thah first one, Lreyd judt hope!!! Ems got one hell of a catalog. Hope R.2 will live up to expectations and witrh no accent. Cant wait to hear Em over some diffrent than usual. Anyone knoe repease date???
What :D
I didnt see what a mess i wrote till now, and somone was righht Zanax and alchol equals a Dissater on a forum. I sit back and read that and im like WTF was i trying to say?? Shit happpens. This should be a goood lesson to the DUBCC people, Alcohol and Zanax and typing on a forum dont mix. My lessons Kids say no to drugs
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I kind of fixed what i tried to write, even tho i dont remember what my point was. I fixed it up as best as i could
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LOL at vader hating on Deja Vu :laugh:
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LOL at vader hating on Deja Vu :laugh:
that´s it,you´re getting the Woodpecker from space album for Xmas; :P ;D ;)
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http://www.discomusic.com/records-more/2549_0_2_0_C/
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ARTIST/GROUP
Video Kids
ALBUM/SINGLE TITLE
Woodpeckers From Space (Dutch 12")
RECORD LABEL / RELEASE INFO:
Break Records (Netherlands) / 1984 / 308461
12" Disco Single 45 RPM Vinyl
STUDIO CREDITS / RECORD SLEEVE LINER NOTES:
Producer: Fleisner
TRACKLISTING:
Side A
Woodpeckers From Space 5:58
http://www.youtube.com/v/dDhKs8Kt1GM&hl=en&fs=1
Side B
Rap and Sing Along 6:30
NOTES ON THIS VINYL RECORD:
What a silly record this was. Video Kids and the song Woodpeckers From Space were thankfully a one-shot deal. Woody Woodpecker would have been ashamed.
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Relapse was a great comeback album, Relapse 2 will be more of a classic i think.
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lol at woodpecker from space :laugh:
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lol at woodpecker from space :laugh:
Hope you noticed that the Video Kids is Dutch.... ;D