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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on May 20, 2009, 04:19:35 PM
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Flow.
I hear cats on here always talkin about "this guy's flow is dope..." and then I'll listen to the same joint and wonder if this cat even knows what a flow is. Because said rappers flow was horrible.
So I want to take a moment to clarify what makes a dope flow. A dope flow is all about spitting in sync / rhythm with the beat. The flow should be driven by the drums in the song, and should stay in time with them. Their should be a little swing to how they're spitting. Every once in a while skippin off beat for effect or what not is perfectly acceptable, but an entire song completely off beat and lacking any semblance of rhythm, especially w/ respect to the beat is not.
Rapping on time is what connects the rapper to the beat. Without that element, there is a major disconnect between the two.
Somehow though, it became a trend to kinda lazily talk over the song with little to no regard to the beat. Off top guys like Wayne & Jay (even Andre3000 did this for a minute - his best Weezy impressions) etc are beyond capable of spittin like crazy, but a lot of times they don't. And to me it makes them unlistenable when they are lazily talking rather than truly rapping.
It just seems like it is acceptable to no longer posess the ability to rap on time, and that's def one of the biggest reasons why I can't listen to a lot of mainstream shit. Shit if you're gonna make 1000 songs about slangin rocks at least have a flow and the song then has some redeeming value. It may still be enjoyable even though we've heard this generic subject matter before.
Peace.
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Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
I don't think the flow for most cats are too bad. For me, what's missing is a sense of lyricism. I miss that element of suspense when two cats battle. Everyone too scared to battle.
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everybody got flow. there's more than 1 way 2 flow just like there's more than 1 way 2 fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_exVT1_8Q6A
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
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T.I. & Ludacris have the best flows outta mainstream popular rappers today
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u. i know u wood, anybody wood. even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u. i know u wood, anybody wood. even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.
that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.
guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.
50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.
the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u. i know u wood, anybody wood. even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.
that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.
guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.
50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.
the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u. i know u wood, anybody wood. even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.
that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.
guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.
50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.
the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop
thats not even true 4real 4real. y'all just watch too much tv and y'all must not have a cd/mp3 player in your car.
and like most NORMAL people would do, you wood make a couple club bangers and get out of the hood (if that's where you're from). thats the whole point like u said, by any means necessary. trust me, living in tha hood will make alot more shit seem real to you, including bubblegum raps and cookie cutter marketing schemes. it's really not as bad as alot of y'all make it out 2 seem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBNtqh0qFAA
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u. i know u wood, anybody wood. even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.
that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.
guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.
50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.
the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop
i'd like to think that, but look at the game.
all the new guys aren't making true hip hop; even Drake. i love his music, but it isn't like real hip hop, but it's enjoyable music.
look at all the guys making the best music, Slaughterhouse (4 established rappers already), Kurupt (a legend), Xzibit (a legend).
theres others but i don't want to name everybody lol.
point is, all the new guys that are going to be coming up (with the exception of a few) are going to take the mainstream approach of music. autotune & shit.
rap will be almost dead when all the best rappers of right now are gone, it's inevitable.
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real fuckin shit cham click
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23U8MfbTto&NR=1
hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u. i know u wood, anybody wood. even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.
that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.
guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.
50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.
the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop
i'd like to think that, but look at the game.
all the new guys aren't making true hip hop; even Drake. i love his music, but it isn't like real hip hop, but it's enjoyable music.
look at all the guys making the best music, Slaughterhouse (4 established rappers already), Kurupt (a legend), Xzibit (a legend).
theres others but i don't want to name everybody lol.
point is, all the new guys that are going to be coming up (with the exception of a few) are going to take the mainstream approach of music. autotune & shit.
rap will be almost dead when all the best rappers of right now are gone, it's inevitable.
but like i said there is alot of new hip hop that is really good just not mainstream but we dont have to pay attention to the mainstream shit...lets just listen to the new artists that are really fuckin good and new that are making REAL hip hop...check out guys like Blu, TiRon, common market and ALOT others that are bringing REAL shit
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anybody complaining about Hip Hop music today is just bitter AND a sucker. Bitter that THEIR Favorite artist isn't on top anymore or that they could never catch that break. I don't care what y'all say, Hip Hop is even better nowadays; you got classics from back in tha day and u got that new flame from today. If u cant feel that then i'll send it to in brail baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ihSNa8gH24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEIsr8hTikA
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
there will ALWAYS be room 4 both. why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session? get past that shit ASAP. you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously). Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory. im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans". it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing) Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'. They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJdJ5aZMiI CLASSIC! lol
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit
yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.
in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\
^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
there will ALWAYS be room 4 both. why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session? get past that shit ASAP. you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously). Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory. im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans". it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing) Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'. They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJdJ5aZMiI CLASSIC! lol
what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.
it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.
it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.
now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit
yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.
in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\
^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
there will ALWAYS be room 4 both. why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session? get past that shit ASAP. you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously). Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory. im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans". it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing) Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'. They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJdJ5aZMiI CLASSIC! lol
what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.
it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.
it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.
now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.
so
u really do take YOUR opinion way too serious. you shouldn't let tha dubb/the internet or yourself determine wats good and wats not when it comes 2 tha masses and wat people want/need to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-CSzmQTN4
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit
yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.
in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\
^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
there will ALWAYS be room 4 both. why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session? get past that shit ASAP. you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously). Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory. im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans". it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing) Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'. They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJdJ5aZMiI CLASSIC! lol
what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.
it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.
it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.
now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.
so
u really do take YOUR opinion way too serious. you shouldn't let tha dubb or yourself determine wats good and wats not when it comes 2 tha masses and wat people want/need to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-CSzmQTN4
stop puttin wack shit for us to listen to geez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylTVBkJeAY
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i hated get your walk on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aC_BeL959I&feature=PlayList&p=A39414CB12A9A306&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23 is this all u wanna hear? fuck that
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^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit
yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.
in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\
^like Inverse. 8)
but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.
then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.
it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.
guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.
there will ALWAYS be room 4 both. why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session? get past that shit ASAP. you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously). Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory. im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans". it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing) Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'. They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJdJ5aZMiI CLASSIC! lol
what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.
it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.
it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.
now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.
so
u really do take YOUR opinion way too serious. you shouldn't let tha dubb/the internet or yourself determine wats good and wats not when it comes 2 tha masses and wat people want/need to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-CSzmQTN4
everybody on this board has already determined your an idiot who knows nothing, but you don't seem to listen to what they have to say about you; so why should i listen to them about music? although, 90% of this board (i think) would agree with what i'm saying here.
i hated get your walk on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aC_BeL959I&feature=PlayList&p=A39414CB12A9A306&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23 is this all u wanna hear? fuck that
lol, that's the best link you have ever posted; keep them coming like that! ;) 8)
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lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
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We can all agree that we all have different taste and hip hop has a broader fan base than it did 10 years ago. But you wouldn't go 2 TX or da NO talking that south bullshit. It's only bullshit and wack in your eyes, if u cant fuck wit a real nigga like Yola then it's obvious you hold a TREMENDOUS bias against the south and liking Pimp C or Scarface or anybody in that circle isn't gonna help ur case at all. if u cant recognize the real when u see it or hear it then i definitly can't help u and u cant help urself. There's young niggaz out here just as raw as Face was back in tha day thats out here now, u just gotta look and be open 2 em. Just bcuz they made a party record or two shouldn't overshadow your outlook on em (and dont tell me that it doesn't bcuz i see that it does). Bottom line (bcuz im done in this topic 4 now), real recognize real and talent overshadows bullshit; and im not fake- i know wassup, but whatever homie.
*this wasn't an emo response... believe it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0BIwmacCW8 if Yola ain't a real nigga (and not just bcuz wat happend either bcuz i know thats ur next defense) then you just aint hood.
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haha "the youtube master that dont know shit about muzik"
yeah yola>>>scarface
fuck outta here
haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
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^is that Creepa from the first season of "From G'z To Gents"? :laugh:
yeah, i guess you could call him a "real nigga", but that doesn't make him a good rapper.
just because you came up living a real ghetto life, been shot & shit, doesn't just grant you to being a good rapper; you actually have to have talent lmao.
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
90% of this board are fags who live OUTSIDE of the US, and tha last black person they saw was Barack Obama on TV so I know where y'all judgment/mindframes liy. And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all fuck that equal shit. I know some hood ass white boys, and y'all dont come across as them, so fuck u.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuGe_DI5Mo 1 of tha greatest Rap/Hip Hop records of ALL TIME, up there with the NWA records. If u can't ride with that you have some more learning to do.... ghost
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
90% of this board are fags who live OUTSIDE of the US, and tha last black person they saw was Barack Obama on TV so I know where y'all judgment/mindframes liy. And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all. I know some hood ass white boys, and y'all dont come across as them, so fuck u.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuGe_DI5Mo 1 of tha greatest Rap/Hip Hop records of ALL TIME, up there with the NWA records. If u can't ride with that you have some more learning to do.... ghost
i have alot more learning to do :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdWOoL31IJc
if you cant roll with that...click the log off button
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haha you have to have talent?
then damn that reduces his list of good or dope rappers real quik
and for the muffuccaz that dont like get your walk on HANG YA SELF and ill wire the funds for any funeral expenses
ONE OF THE BEST FUCKIN JOINTS TO DROP IN YEARS, LET ALONE THE CLASSIC SOUNDIN ALBUM TO GO WIT THIS COAST YOU LOVE TO FUCKIN HATE
^is that Creepa from the first season of "From G'z To Gents"? :laugh:
yeah, i guess you could call him a "real nigga", but that doesn't make him a good rapper.
just because you came up living a real ghetto life, been shot & shit, doesn't just grant you to being a good rapper; you actually have to have talent lmao.
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figures the only artist people can bring up is The Roots and Talib and niggaz like that. If Scarface were to come out today then Face would be anotha Stoop Pigeon ass nigga to y'all. Anything Gangsta or Crunk is automatically tossed out in y'all minds, so i'll win and you'll always lose.... real talk. If MC Ren were to come out in todays rap game then MC Ren would be CM Hen to y'all, i know this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhHyYdTMZq8&feature=related Hood classic, listen to the WHOLE track b4 u talk some shit... and dont go soft on me niether
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haha you have to have talent?
then damn that reduces his list of good or dope rappers real quik
and for the muffuccaz that dont like get your walk on HANG YA SELF and ill wire the funds for any funeral expenses
ONE OF THE BEST FUCKIN JOINTS TO DROP IN YEARS, LET ALONE THE CLASSIC SOUNDIN ALBUM TO GO WIT THIS COAST YOU LOVE TO FUCKIN HATE
^is that Creepa from the first season of "From G'z To Gents"? :laugh:
yeah, i guess you could call him a "real nigga", but that doesn't make him a good rapper.
just because you came up living a real ghetto life, been shot & shit, doesn't just grant you to being a good rapper; you actually have to have talent lmao.
WE THE WEST
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all.
LOL WOW! :o
your opinon just means less and less everytime you make a post.
that's the most ignorant shit i ever heard! :laugh:
honestly though, i'd say white people listen to more real hip hop than anybody else though.
anybody who is going to "Rock The Bells", look at the crowd; whites outnumber 2 to 1.
you might know more about the "hood life", but it doesn't mean you know anything about rap & as you prove time & time again your clueless lmao.
most black people i know would say Wayne is the best rapper alive & i live in NY, i see a lot of blacks lol.
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haha you have to have talent?
then damn that reduces his list of good or dope rappers real quik
and for the muffuccaz that dont like get your walk on HANG YA SELF and ill wire the funds for any funeral expenses
ONE OF THE BEST FUCKIN JOINTS TO DROP IN YEARS, LET ALONE THE CLASSIC SOUNDIN ALBUM TO GO WIT THIS COAST YOU LOVE TO FUCKIN HATE
^is that Creepa from the first season of "From G'z To Gents"? :laugh:
yeah, i guess you could call him a "real nigga", but that doesn't make him a good rapper.
just because you came up living a real ghetto life, been shot & shit, doesn't just grant you to being a good rapper; you actually have to have talent lmao.
u only come out of hiding when some1/people attack but you're quite as a basement roach when there's no1 here. Stop bitchin up and be a man boy... serious
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figures the only artist people can bring up is The Roots and Talib and niggaz like that. If Scarface were to come out today then Face would be anotha Stoop Pigeon ass nigga to y'all. Anything Gangsta or Crunk is automatically tossed out in y'all minds, so i'll win and you'll always lose.... real talk. If MC Ren were to come out in todays rap game then MC Ren would be CM Hen to y'all, i know this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhHyYdTMZq8&feature=related Hood classic, listen to the WHOLE track b4 u talk some shit... and dont go soft on me niether
thank god u dont own a label
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all.
LOL WOW! :o
your opinon just means less and less everytime you make a post.
that's the most ignorant shit i ever heard! :laugh:
honestly though, i'd say white people listen to more real hip hop than anybody else though.
anybody who is going to "Rock The Bells", look at the crowd; whites outnumber 2 to 1.
you might know more about the "hood life", but it doesn't mean you know anything about rap & as you prove time & time again your clueless lmao.
most black people i know would say Wayne is the best rapper alive & i live in NY, i see a lot of blacks lol.
i guess... in your mind you're right. i dont wanna change that. u sound like u could use the confidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhHyYdTMZq8&feature=related
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figures the only artist people can bring up is The Roots and Talib and niggaz like that. If Scarface were to come out today then Face would be anotha Stoop Pigeon ass nigga to y'all. Anything Gangsta or Crunk is automatically tossed out in y'all minds, so i'll win and you'll always lose.... real talk. If MC Ren were to come out in todays rap game then MC Ren would be CM Hen to y'all, i know this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhHyYdTMZq8&feature=related Hood classic, listen to the WHOLE track b4 u talk some shit... and dont go soft on me niether
thank god u dont own a label
ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzJr0VyUVg&feature=related
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damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts mor then getting the swine flu
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is he serious? "Anything Gangsta is automatically thrown out the window"? :laugh:
my whole point is that you listen to fake gangsta rappers. Ice Cube & other old school west shit is what's up.
not your pop/gangsta southern shit.
but that isn't an attack on the whole south, just some of the wack parts of the south; you seem to find so "classic". :laugh:
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hahah he slangs mixtapes, and hes been doin it for years-he says, run a label-be careful what you wish for
ever since he made that dumb comment about the westcoast (a while back) ive been ignorin the youtube wackmaster but sometimes the shit is beyond dumb and i like to comment on it, only cuz i know he will get slaughter-housed left and right, LIKE HE DOES IN EVERY THREAD and it leads to comedy
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freaking the beat counts for a heck of a lot of a lot to me (and is why biggie remains one of my all times) and i agree these skills are severely lacking from today's 'rappers'.
and its not like rappers are way off-beat, they just don't have the wordplay and the rhythmical trickery to make listening as enjoyable - they don't FREAK the beat. this is why rappers like redman remain ill...
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damn x i had to do it, another classic post
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts mor then getting the swine flu
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damn x i had to do it, another classic post
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts mor then getting the swine flu
haha +1 for callin my shit classic...the words we say are more classic then the music he drops
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damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts mor then getting the swine flu
Swine Flu shit is wack doggy but 4 a buncha white boys on a hip hop board u sure do like 2 stunt. but i guess i have 2 dick ride tha old skool niggaz everytime 2 get respect around here. only KRS and Guru know wat real hip hop is, and niggaz like Webbie and Gucci Mane are like the anti-christ. lol, u win. but if Jeezy sells more records then Mos Def (and there's more adults than kids in this world) then obviously he's not that bad of an artist (which SHOWS/PROVES people like him and not just kids). Maybe the world is just to forward 4 y'all. But i really am done tho, i've been talkin 2 tha same ppl 4 tha past hour, it's more of y'all than me on here. it's like the Glee club and the Hall Moniter joined forces to try 2 take over the big bad bully on here, i swear it is... lol Go outside someday.... and dont b afraid 2 dance sometime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQEgYkM1Tw&feature=related i guess this is the only music we'll agree on
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it is and thats why it goes in the classic line
and thats a understatement, cuz he doesnt even drop anything near good let alone
dope, fire, bangin OR CLASSIC
damn x i had to do it, another classic post
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts mor then getting the swine flu
haha +1 for callin my shit classic...the words we say are more classic then the music he drops
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
90% of this board are fags who live OUTSIDE of the US, and tha last black person they saw was Barack Obama on TV so I know where y'all judgment/mindframes liy. And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all fuck that equal shit. I know some hood ass white boys, and y'all dont come across as them, so fuck u.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuGe_DI5Mo 1 of tha greatest Rap/Hip Hop records of ALL TIME, up there with the NWA records. If u can't ride with that you have some more learning to do.... ghost
lmao I'm black and I'm saying your opinion on real hip hop is null and void. And it ain't got nothing to do with race its just your opinion sucks. Every fucking link you post proves that. I don't have a problem with you liking webbie or gucci mane, but there's a difference between good and popular, and you have no clue what that means. I'll admit, half the stuff I listen to is commercial. Some songs I listen to just because of the beat or because it sounds good. But I can tell the difference between a song I like just because it sounds good or a song that I like because the lyrics and flow impress me. Webbie and Gucci Mane are commercial rappers who can make a few hot songs but their lyrical ability is that of nursery rhymes. The way you go around trying to compare them to rappers like Nas or Mos Def makes me laugh.
Lets not forget you are the one who said Gucci Mane could make an album as good as Illmatic. I will take the opinion of all the whiteboys on this forum over yours any day of the week just for saying that.
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haha rapsodie wait til you read or if you ever read his other ideas/comments, damn
HE NEVER LEFT HIS BULLSHIT TO BE BACK ON IT
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
90% of this board are fags who live OUTSIDE of the US, and tha last black person they saw was Barack Obama on TV so I know where y'all judgment/mindframes liy. And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all fuck that equal shit. I know some hood ass white boys, and y'all dont come across as them, so fuck u.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuGe_DI5Mo 1 of tha greatest Rap/Hip Hop records of ALL TIME, up there with the NWA records. If u can't ride with that you have some more learning to do.... ghost
lmao I'm black and I'm saying your opinion on real hip hop is null and void. And it ain't got nothing to do with race its just your opinion sucks. Every fucking link you post proves that. I don't have a problem with you liking webbie or gucci mane, but there's a difference between good and popular, and you have no clue what that means. I'll admit, half the stuff I listen to is commercial. Some songs I listen to just because of the beat or because it sounds good. But I can tell the difference between a song I like just because it sounds good or a song that I like because the lyrics and flow impress me. Webbie and Gucci Mane are commercial rappers who can make a few hot songs but their lyrical ability is that of nursery rhymes. The way you go around trying to compare them to rappers like Nas or Mos Def makes me laugh.
Lets not forget you are the one who said Gucci Mane could make an album as good as Illmatic. I will take the opinion of all the whiteboys on this forum over yours any day of the week just for saying that.
well... i guess u speak 4 urself black man. but if u like something dont be afraid 2 admit it bcuz ppl on here will go on you. that's wat i got from your response here. wat i highlighted makes u a hypocrite. i dont care how u come back at it, if u like the music u like the music. i think ur one of those geeks who over analyze and co-sign wats popular (good or bad). dont try 2 downgrade it bcuz they dont rhyme every other word with some junglistic wordplay. fuck it, u niggaz is geeked out on Illmatic and aint hip 2 tha times... so be it. just dont go on raggin' about tha niggaz and then turn around and say u like some of they songs, that's ass backwards... really it iz.
and enyce, im always on that shit, that's why im so kool.... u nigga, u'z a bitch. u cant call anybody out unless there's already a group and then u yell out "slaughterhoused" lmao wtf is that? that's some elementary school shit boy, take them skinny jeans off boy, them women pants u got on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnoL0VfYkw
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wayne got flow playboi. u heard the carter 3 yet
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haha state your name gangsta?
you must be talkin bout the youtube master?
lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was
of course lol.
90% of this board are fags who live OUTSIDE of the US, and tha last black person they saw was Barack Obama on TV so I know where y'all judgment/mindframes liy. And 98% of this board is white, so that automatically gives my opinion on REAL Hip Hop music more leverage than y'all fuck that equal shit. I know some hood ass white boys, and y'all dont come across as them, so fuck u.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuGe_DI5Mo 1 of tha greatest Rap/Hip Hop records of ALL TIME, up there with the NWA records. If u can't ride with that you have some more learning to do.... ghost
lmao I'm black and I'm saying your opinion on real hip hop is null and void. And it ain't got nothing to do with race its just your opinion sucks. Every fucking link you post proves that. I don't have a problem with you liking webbie or gucci mane, but there's a difference between good and popular, and you have no clue what that means. I'll admit, half the stuff I listen to is commercial. Some songs I listen to just because of the beat or because it sounds good. But I can tell the difference between a song I like just because it sounds good or a song that I like because the lyrics and flow impress me. Webbie and Gucci Mane are commercial rappers who can make a few hot songs but their lyrical ability is that of nursery rhymes. The way you go around trying to compare them to rappers like Nas or Mos Def makes me laugh.
Lets not forget you are the one who said Gucci Mane could make an album as good as Illmatic. I will take the opinion of all the whiteboys on this forum over yours any day of the week just for saying that.
well... i guess u speak 4 urself black man. but if u like something dont be afraid 2 admit it bcuz ppl on here will go on you. that's wat i got from your response here. wat i highlighted makes u a hypocrite. i dont care how u come back at it, if u like the music u like the music. i think ur one of those geeks who over analyze and co-sign wats popular (good or bad). dont try 2 downgrade it bcuz they dont rhyme every other word with some junglistic wordplay. fuck it, u niggaz is geeked out on Illmatic and aint hip 2 tha times... so be it. just dont go on raggin' about tha niggaz and then turn around and say u like some of they songs, that's ass backwards... really it iz.
and enyce, im always on that shit, that's why im so kool.... u nigga, u'z a bitch. u cant call anybody out unless there's already a group and then u yell out "slaughterhoused" lmao wtf is that? that's some elementary school shit boy, take them skinny jeans off boy, them women pants u got on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnoL0VfYkw
see I told you you would have no clue what I'm talking about. Nothing I said makes me a hypocrite. If you had basic reasoning ability you would know this. Let me give you an example. I like 50 Cent. But I wouldn't put him in my top 20 because he's an average lyricist who only makes songs about getting money, being a gangster and the rest of his songs are club songs made for women. I like Nas also. However, Nas IS in my top 20 because a lot of his wordplay impresses me and he touches on a wide subject matter. Comprende?
You need to go read a book on lyrics or something. Learn about the poetic elements. Learn about multi-syllable rhymes, internal rhymes, metaphors, similes, alliteration and all that good stuff. Learn examples of skilled versus easy rhymes. Then come back here and MAYBE people will start to take your opinion seriously.
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on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ....
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Are you seriously trying to criticize Jay-Z's flow when dude has possibly the best flow in the game today? I think the people that claim to have a real knowledge of rap even though they obviously don't just say that shit to make their hating seem more valid. Jay has flow, and so does Mr. Mainstream himself, 50 Cent. Obviously 50's lyrics aren't hot, we all know that, so why does anybody listen to his shit? Because he flows dope as fuck. Flow isn't just about rhyming in time with the beat, in fact constantly doing that makes it sound boring, dudes have to switch it up. Flow is about rhyming over the beat with use of tempo and rhythmic candence, as well as adding in their own swagger. Jay-Z makes his voice like an instrument over the beat and his flow on some songs is insane. Are you also trying to tell me that "mainstream" rappers past and present from Biggie to Eminem don't have flow? Are you crazy? What mainstream rappers lack is lyricism and wordplay, not flow. In fact, most of them DO have flow, that's why the mainstream dig them, to sell a mainstream record you need a dope beat, hook and flow. To make an underground record you need to have flow and lyrics.
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And, while I think rappers owe it to themselves as humans to be responsible with what they spit and be honest - either tell your life story of admit you're just telling a story - I don't have a problem with the majority of the "mainstream" artists. My problem is with the radio and them not reflecting the diversity and lyricism of hip-hop.
There ain't no god damn reason why a jay rock single (all my life or lift me up) can't be played after a lil wayne single and there ain't no reason why Talib Kweli can't follow a Lil Wayne track. It's all hip-hop in my book. In fact I don't understand why the radio doesn't try to gather more of these markets with shows. For example, every Tuesday evening and night can be the west coast g-funk hour and it can reflect that type of music and every Wednesday night can be underground regional cats and every Thursday can be international hip-hop from across the world. Of course I'd rather have it spread out across the week and intertwined throughout the show instead of limiting it to one night. The radio is fucked and consequently people think hip-hop is fucked because of that. I can't sit here and say hip-hop is dead when all these youngings/quality artist/mcs are doing it for the love and releasing free music - Bishop Lamont, Stat Quo, Papoose, Saigon, Joell Ortiz, Charles Hamilton, Drake, Wale, Slaughtherhouse (crooked-i, joell ortiz, royce, budden). And, I'm not even limiting my perspective of hip-hop to them because Eminem, 50, Common, Kanye, Wayne, TI, Jay, Nas are all hip-hop as well. Hell, even Mims and Soulja Boy is and if you don't think so how'd hip-hop get started? Kool Herc breaking and trying to have a good time while the folks got down. Dance music has always been a part of hip-hop.
In my opinion the people that sold out first were the djs.
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The thing is though, a lot of people can't appreciate other types of hip hop. After listening to Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liqour again last night, and realizing just how insane that album is lyrically, I searched on the boards and seen that a lot of people weren't feeling the album when it came out. Some people just don't know how to listen to hip hop properly, and they don't really want to hear tracks that don't have a banging beat or whatever, or tracks that they have to think about because it's laced with metaphors and wordplay. It's a damn shame, but it is what it is, and I think radio stations are scared to lose listeners by playing lyrical rap.
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The thing is though, a lot of people can't appreciate other types of hip hop. After listening to Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liqour again last night, and realizing just how insane that album is lyrically, I searched on the boards and seen that a lot of people weren't feeling the album when it came out. Some people just don't know how to listen to hip hop properly, and they don't really want to hear tracks that don't have a banging beat or whatever, or tracks that they have to think about because it's laced with metaphors and wordplay. It's a damn shame, but it is what it is, and I think radio stations are scared to lose listeners by playing lyrical rap.
Can't appreciate? There isn't any one way to listen to hip-hop. There ain't not no proper way. You're basically discrediting a lot of listeners. Everyone knows who tupac is and almost everyone's bumped him. Hell, Biggie and Jay still get bumped. I don't agree. While us consumers are defintiely feeling danceable hip-hop a little bit more these days I think there's plenty of room to play different. I do think you're limiting most listeners but that's me having faith in people.
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Let's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".
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Let's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".
We're pretty much on the same page but I just give the people the benefit of doubt even if it means I'm being naive. That's all. I enjoy Relapse and believe Reasonable Doubt and Food & Liquor to be a classics. Discussing the merits of classic and providing opinion is cool. That's all they were saying in that other thread. I think it's legitimate to question what's classic.
Personally, always staying conscience like Talib does get boring. So I appreciate the nonsense rappers, some days my mind wants to shut down and take a vacation.
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I still can't believe people get mad that tha radio doesn't play diversity lol. fuck it, move on- for a fact (and u can google it) the average radio listener listens to about a total of 2 hours of radio in a week or a day (im not lookin right now). so if there's 24 hours in a day, you spend a fraction of that time listening to tha radio. there's ipods/mp3/cd players, listen to that lol. stop saying people are getting dumbed down listening to tha radio (little kids aren't being infected listening to party songs on tha radio :D that's fuckin delusional). and everybody on here is a critic, so why y'all think your opinion is the only opinion that matters or is the only shed of truth- get over yourself asap. who listens to only 1 form of music anyways, even the most hardcore hardcore rap listener plays some rnb every once in a while; so with that said no1 listens to only one form of music/hip hop.
There's too many white people who live overseas thinking they know hip hop more than the next man :laugh: (and that's tha truth so dont get all emo n shit). Y'all wouldn't go 2 Africa and tell them that they aren't playing Real African Music bcuz they changed up tha swagger on tha beat. You wouldn't tell a reggae artist that he isn't playing real reggae bcuz he ain't on some Bob Marley/Beenie Man shit. <--- And that's wat y'all do, say this and that isn't hip hop, that person is killing the game, that rapper is fake, that isn't listenable, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. you can come up with every reason in tha book to hate on it and not listen to it but can't come up with 1 reason to do tha opposite, that makes u shallow. if u dont like it, cool- just dont b comin on tha internet talkin shit every dam time and then try 2 justify it with some "what would talib say" bullshit.
Bottom line, there's a reason why niggaz like Gucci Mane is out there sellin records and sellin out shows; it's bcuz he hot and he has a loyal and growing fanbase. if u think everybody is deaf bcuz of that then move the fuck off planet earth or get wit it and roll. and plz dont give me no lyricist bullshit bcuz down south niggaz got all the lyricism you need, y'all just ain't listening. you're spending too much time listening to tha radio and blocking it out everytime u "attempt" to give it a chance. every song on every album isn't dumbed down, you just don't wanna play the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPEkQr8rbj0&feature=related
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Let's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".
We're pretty much on the same page but I just give the people the benefit of doubt even if it means I'm being naive. That's all. I enjoy Relapse and believe Reasonable Doubt and Food & Liquor to be a classics. Discussing the merits of classic and providing opinion is cool. That's all they were saying in that other thread. I think it's legitimate to question what's classic.
Personally, always staying conscience like Talib does get boring. So I appreciate the nonsense rappers, some days my mind wants to shut down and take a vacation.
your mind isn't shutting down bcuz you're playing a Yung Joc/*insert rapper* track lol... i hate when ppl say that shit, you must already be dumb from tha start. lol...
http://www.imeem.com/people/SoX1I_/music/dCw4sVst/yung-joc-do-ya-bad/ classic track btw
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Let's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".
We're pretty much on the same page but I just give the people the benefit of doubt even if it means I'm being naive. That's all. I enjoy Relapse and believe Reasonable Doubt and Food & Liquor to be a classics. Discussing the merits of classic and providing opinion is cool. That's all they were saying in that other thread. I think it's legitimate to question what's classic.
Personally, always staying conscience like Talib does get boring. So I appreciate the nonsense rappers, some days my mind wants to shut down and take a vacation.
your mind isn't shutting down bcuz you're playing a Yung Joc/*insert rapper* track lol... i hate when ppl say that shit, you must already be dumb from tha start. lol...
http://www.imeem.com/people/SoX1I_/music/dCw4sVst/yung-joc-do-ya-bad/ classic track btw
How are you going to tell me how I feel when I listen to certain music? When I listen to a track like Mims this is Why I'm Hot i'm not really thinking about shit - not my problems, not social issues, not shit. My mind is blank. I turn off those heavy thoughts and enjoy whatever the fuck is going on. In other words it turns off, it goes on shut down. When I bump Immortal Technique I tend to be in a more serious, introspective/reflective mood.
I'm pretty sure most of us that are on the internet are with the program and listen to a diverse amount of music and don't listen to the radio exactly because of that reason. It doesn't mean the radio shouldn't change and that people shouldn't strive to make a difference. If we all just get with the program slavery would still exist.
Since you said this,
and everybody on here is a critic, so why y'all think your opinion is the only opinion that matters or is the only shed of truth- get over yourself asap.
Why don't you take your own advice and not post?
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Snoopy has the best flow in the game since '92
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And, while I think rappers owe it to themselves as humans to be responsible with what they spit and be honest - either tell your life story of admit you're just telling a story - I don't have a problem with the majority of the "mainstream" artists. My problem is with the radio and them not reflecting the diversity and lyricism of hip-hop.
There ain't no god damn reason why a jay rock single (all my life or lift me up) can't be played after a lil wayne single and there ain't no reason why Talib Kweli can't follow a Lil Wayne track. It's all hip-hop in my book. In fact I don't understand why the radio doesn't try to gather more of these markets with shows. For example, every Tuesday evening and night can be the west coast g-funk hour and it can reflect that type of music and every Wednesday night can be underground regional cats and every Thursday can be international hip-hop from across the world. Of course I'd rather have it spread out across the week and intertwined throughout the show instead of limiting it to one night. The radio is fucked and consequently people think hip-hop is fucked because of that. I can't sit here and say hip-hop is dead when all these youngings/quality artist/mcs are doing it for the love and releasing free music - Bishop Lamont, Stat Quo, Papoose, Saigon, Joell Ortiz, Charles Hamilton, Drake, Wale, Slaughtherhouse (crooked-i, joell ortiz, royce, budden). And, I'm not even limiting my perspective of hip-hop to them because Eminem, 50, Common, Kanye, Wayne, TI, Jay, Nas are all hip-hop as well. Hell, even Mims and Soulja Boy is and if you don't think so how'd hip-hop get started? Kool Herc breaking and trying to have a good time while the folks got down. Dance music has always been a part of hip-hop.
In my opinion the people that sold out first were the djs.
cosign everything you said.
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Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey.
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Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey.
Much beef lately?
The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.
Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.
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Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey.
Much beef lately?
The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.
Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.
lol top five? Game has average flow. But this guy was a little harsh on you. "you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey" now that's just uncalled for over someones opinion.
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Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey.
Much beef lately?
The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.
Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.
lol top five? Game has average flow. But this guy was a little harsh on you. "you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey" now that's just uncalled for over someones opinion.
Who's your favorite individual with flow?
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Flow.
I hear cats on here always talkin about "this guy's flow is dope..." and then I'll listen to the same joint and wonder if this cat even knows what a flow is. Because said rappers flow was horrible.
So I want to take a moment to clarify what makes a dope flow. A dope flow is all about spitting in sync / rhythm with the beat. The flow should be driven by the drums in the song, and should stay in time with them. Their should be a little swing to how they're spitting. Every once in a while skippin off beat for effect or what not is perfectly acceptable, but an entire song completely off beat and lacking any semblance of rhythm, especially w/ respect to the beat is not.
Rapping on time is what connects the rapper to the beat. Without that element, there is a major disconnect between the two.
Somehow though, it became a trend to kinda lazily talk over the song with little to no regard to the beat. Off top guys like Wayne & Jay (even Andre3000 did this for a minute - his best Weezy impressions) etc are beyond capable of spittin like crazy, but a lot of times they don't. And to me it makes them unlistenable when they are lazily talking rather than truly rapping.
It just seems like it is acceptable to no longer posess the ability to rap on time, and that's def one of the biggest reasons why I can't listen to a lot of mainstream shit. Shit if you're gonna make 1000 songs about slangin rocks at least have a flow and the song then has some redeeming value. It may still be enjoyable even though we've heard this generic subject matter before.
Peace.
good post, you must HATE jeru the damaja then cuz he raps off beat
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Flow.
I hear cats on here always talkin about "this guy's flow is dope..." and then I'll listen to the same joint and wonder if this cat even knows what a flow is. Because said rappers flow was horrible.
So I want to take a moment to clarify what makes a dope flow. A dope flow is all about spitting in sync / rhythm with the beat. The flow should be driven by the drums in the song, and should stay in time with them. Their should be a little swing to how they're spitting. Every once in a while skippin off beat for effect or what not is perfectly acceptable, but an entire song completely off beat and lacking any semblance of rhythm, especially w/ respect to the beat is not.
Rapping on time is what connects the rapper to the beat. Without that element, there is a major disconnect between the two.
Somehow though, it became a trend to kinda lazily talk over the song with little to no regard to the beat. Off top guys like Wayne & Jay (even Andre3000 did this for a minute - his best Weezy impressions) etc are beyond capable of spittin like crazy, but a lot of times they don't. And to me it makes them unlistenable when they are lazily talking rather than truly rapping.
It just seems like it is acceptable to no longer posess the ability to rap on time, and that's def one of the biggest reasons why I can't listen to a lot of mainstream shit. Shit if you're gonna make 1000 songs about slangin rocks at least have a flow and the song then has some redeeming value. It may still be enjoyable even though we've heard this generic subject matter before.
Peace.
good post, you must HATE jeru the damaja then cuz he raps off beat
lol wtf? I love Jeru, his flows are redic...what are you talking about?
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Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey.
Much beef lately?
The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.
Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.
lol top five? Game has average flow. But this guy was a little harsh on you. "you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey" now that's just uncalled for over someones opinion.
Who's your favorite individual with flow?
Out of the mainstream? Snoop has flow. Big had flow. Pac had flow. Jay has flow. Nas has flow (except on a few songs where he just talks over the beat). All better than Game's. And these are just the most popular rappers. The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up. That doesn't take talent. I've rarely heard a Game song where he owns the beat. Most of the time I can picture a different flow that would make the track sound better.
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The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3TnmoJyvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeIlaUdFB_w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xVNFurfMe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4AbyhwQsQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7mBKmN3jAk&feature=related
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The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3TnmoJyvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeIlaUdFB_w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xVNFurfMe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4AbyhwQsQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7mBKmN3jAk&feature=related
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I like Game, but if anyone else was copying other rappers flows, people would be criticizing the hell outta him.
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what's missing is more black americans on boards like these. i didn't know The Game was average and niggaz like Consequence were the only "real" MC's out there and anything that comes from tha south is wack (or has to be over analyzed and hated on/un hip hop if they dont come out rhyming like Kid Cudi). that's what's missing, some of y'all have dry taste in rap and have a limited ear and reference point. atleast when i say i dont like an artist i dont go on ranting and raving talking about how i feel and shit and i;ll give em they props... emo ass niggaz always gotta get tha last word lol. but like i said... more americans and more blacks- that way we'll get a good overall balance and view of opinions, not just hate and dickriding from ppl that aren't even close to their favorite rappers turf.
go head say what y'all wanna say, ur lame if u think going on somebody on tha internet gives u respect or credibility. lol
http://www.myspace.com/wadzofficial i guess this is the only version of Hip Hop worth saving huh?
and Game's name dropping is what makes him a Hip Hop classic.
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not everybody is still talking about tha "hit maker" vs. "mc" battle like that anymore. that shit is old, get your money or get your rank, simple as that. even tha biggest hip hop heads i know are on that shit. and niggaz BEEN stopped givin' a fuck about the TV and Radio... i thought y'all knew?
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Game's flow is determined by which rapper he is trying to copy. :laugh:
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Game is one of the best vocalists because he, unlike so many other artists, can switch up his voice as in he can change how he sounds and consequently his flow. I've heard Game spit from at least 5 different vocals and all of'em have been dope. From his early Shyne days to his regular voice to his Dr.Dre voice to his Nas voice to his drunk voice and now his Rick Ross voice. All of'em sound dope.
Name dropping is not classic. Get off his nuts. You're just a hyprocite who thinks they're taking a higher battle by stating irrelevant bullshit. Radiotube, you're on a fucking message board. You realize that, right?
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T.I. & Ludacris have the best flows outta mainstream popular rappers today
Off top, I can't disagree too much. Luda absolutely rapes beats. And I've spoken on TI enough, but there is no denyin he does have a very dope flow. He knows how to ride a beat.
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if you concider Chamillionaire mainstream, their is no contest. ;) ;D 8)
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damn i left for a couple of days and jay, cham, xzibit still slaughterin that youtube wack master
let him live (for a lil longer)
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im on a message board with people who think most of the world co-signs with 99% of the shit they think. if hip hop was in a world like y'all imagine it is then the game would've been changed already.... years ago (EASILY). no1 cares about y'all perticular opinions. like i've said b4, this board is white foreigners who deep down on tha inside want Asher Roth to be the next Eminem or 2Pac and believe Ronald Reagan was tha greatest president in US History. Real Hip Hop lives in the South (that's where it came from)... anything else is just a new rendition of what the (i hate this word) slaves used to do all tha time back in tha day. who cares about wat i think Illmatic is (off of the facts) and who gives a shit that you think Young Joc isn't hot (numbers don't lie, and people still think Jordan is the greatest... for now). Obviously he sells enuff records and has been maintaining a good name 4 tha past 4/5 years so obviously he's done something right and isn't that bad of a rapper.
let's all attack RadioTube! bcuz the guy is always far left against what we think... i get it... y'all r tryna break me or put me in a bitchmade box... not gonna happen. i speak 4 tha crowd that y'all speak against. Tha only problem is that my army is bigger and more relevant today than your team is (and im not JUSt talking about the younger generation). there's room for all sides of hip hop in this game... like my man Soulja said "why they hatin' on me"... i'll always be tha difference i guess and that's fine it's only like 15 of u crackers who post on here anyways... not a big deal. u'll make like 2pages tryin 2 defend your shit and go on me but then when 1 of tha niggaz u hate on releases an album they always tend to sell more than your favorite rapper (which most have all about tha same promo, u can get anything on tha net these days). Not to mention they get more love from "the people" all over the world.
if you're still mad about how the industry carries shit then like my man Gucci say "go independent". and like i say if u don't like the way shit sounds then do it ya god dam self and do it better. and im gonna send ur computer a fuckin' virus the nexx time some1 says that radio/tv bullshit. stop being so cheap and buy an mp3 player and the music channel for your tv. if any1 else says anymore shit about the industry politics and everything under that category im gonna send ur computer a fuckin virus. http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4Ssyh3n4IZFNBGoM buy this fuckin dvd so u can relate to another black guy and make urself feel like ur part of the hip hop culture y'all fuckers sound like this bitch on tha chorus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rm0wT_fEtE get outta tha fuckin' lane if all u gonna do is complain. u judge and hoe... enuff said
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The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3TnmoJyvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeIlaUdFB_w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xVNFurfMe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4AbyhwQsQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7mBKmN3jAk&feature=related
Game is one of the best vocalists because he, unlike so many other artists, can switch up his voice as in he can change how he sounds and consequently his flow. I've heard Game spit from at least 5 different vocals and all of'em have been dope. From his early Shyne days to his regular voice to his Dr.Dre voice to his Nas voice to his drunk voice and now his Rick Ross voice. All of'em sound dope.
Name dropping is not classic. Get off his nuts. You're just a hyprocite who thinks they're taking a higher battle by stating irrelevant bullshit. Radiotube, you're on a fucking message board. You realize that, right?
exactly. Only time Game changes his flow is when he's copying someone else. Anyone can copy another rappers flow.
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im on a message board with people who think most of the world co-signs with 99% of the shit they think. if hip hop was in a world like y'all imagine it is then the game would've been changed already.... years ago (EASILY). no1 cares about y'all perticular opinions. like i've said b4, this board is white foreigners who deep down on tha inside want Asher Roth to be the next Eminem or 2Pac and believe Ronald Reagan was tha greatest president in US History. Real Hip Hop lives in the South (that's where it came from)... anything else is just a new rendition of what the (i hate this word) slaves used to do all tha time back in tha day. who cares about wat i think Illmatic is (off of the facts) and who gives a shit that you think Young Joc isn't hot (numbers don't lie, and people still think Jordan is the greatest... for now). Obviously he sells enuff records and has been maintaining a good name 4 tha past 4/5 years so obviously he's done something right and isn't that bad of a rapper.
let's all attack RadioTube! bcuz the guy is always far left against what we think... i get it... y'all r tryna break me or put me in a bitchmade box... not gonna happen. i speak 4 tha crowd that y'all speak against. Tha only problem is that my army is bigger and more relevant today than your team is (and im not JUSt talking about the younger generation). there's room for all sides of hip hop in this game... like my man Soulja said "why they hatin' on me"... i'll always be tha difference i guess and that's fine it's only like 15 of u crackers who post on here anyways... not a big deal. u'll make like 2pages tryin 2 defend your shit and go on me but then when 1 of tha niggaz u hate on releases an album they always tend to sell more than your favorite rapper (which most have all about tha same promo, u can get anything on tha net these days). Not to mention they get more love from "the people" all over the world.
if you're still mad about how the industry carries shit then like my man Gucci say "go independent". and like i say if u don't like the way shit sounds then do it ya god dam self and do it better. and im gonna send ur computer a fuckin' virus the nexx time some1 says that radio/tv bullshit. stop being so cheap and buy an mp3 player and the music channel for your tv. if any1 else says anymore shit about the industry politics and everything under that category im gonna send ur computer a fuckin virus. http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4Ssyh3n4IZFNBGoM buy this fuckin dvd so u can relate to another black guy and make urself feel like ur part of the hip hop culture y'all fuckers sound like this bitch on tha chorus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rm0wT_fEtE get outta tha fuckin' lane if all u gonna do is complain. u judge and hoe... enuff said
lmao did you just say hip hop came from the south?
Stop trying to use sales to prove your favorite rappers aren't shitty. By your own logic Vanilla Ice, Kris Kross and MC Hammer are better rappers than anyone from the south.
1 of tha niggaz u hate on releases an album they always tend to sell more than your favorite rapper
Not really. Actually they've sold less. I can use your own fucking point against you. Wu Tang has sold more albums then Lil Wayne (or anyone else you want to bring up) will probably ever sell in their entire career.
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Radiotube is mad. :o
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i agree. they also lack lyrics
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Great post jrome, i was going to make a post similar to yours but just a lil different.
I dont think FLOW is exactly the biggest problem in the game, i think its improvising your flow to a beat and still being creative with that flow. I hear the same flow on every beat these days, nooe listening to how teh beat works etc.
Sure hitting the drum at the end of the loop is still important but i feel rappers have moved on past that to trying to flow past it. like they hit the drum on 1-2-3 but then miss 4 to make the flow stand out and then hit 5 to make there words and flow stand out.
However i dont hear niggaz spitting like black rob did on whoa, like xzibit did back when he was younger, hell, i wont even mention snoop because dude has one of the best flows ever when he is on game.
So for me, its not exactly flow thats the problem, i think its improvising your flow to be creative with the beat and trying different things which has changed. I hear alot of generic flows these days. A cat like banks on his albums is a good example, dudes album were garbage because even though he could spit alot of nice multis, dude always had the same flow pretty much and was never saying shit.
As for cats with great flow...Ludacris is a serious cat when is comes to flow. Game has a dope flow, sure he does immitate greats when he flows but who doesnt. Eminem spits like pac alot but noone mentions it. 50 tries spitting like pac back in the day or then he went on to ll and then he went onto mase etc. So alot of rappers copy or are influenced by past rappers but game does have great vocal presense. His flow is not ALWAYS great but he does have great vocal presense and came come great on a beat.
But there are better, like luda, snoops flow when he is on fire is ridiculous, t.i...though im not the biggest fan got a nice flow. Nas' flow has always been slightly underrated. Xzibit...chamlillionaire, even jigga has his own unique energy/live music sounding flow.
Good read still jrome 8)
pz
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Great post jrome, i was going to make a post similar to yours but just a lil different.
I dont think FLOW is exactly the biggest problem in the game, i think its improvising your flow to a beat and still being creative with that flow. I hear the same flow on every beat these days, nooe listening to how teh beat works etc.
Sure hitting the drum at the end of the loop is still important but i feel rappers have moved on past that to trying to flow past it. like they hit the drum on 1-2-3 but then miss 4 to make the flow stand out and then hit 5 to make there words and flow stand out.
However i dont hear niggaz spitting like black rob did on whoa, like xzibit did back when he was younger, hell, i wont even mention snoop because dude has one of the best flows ever when he is on game.
So for me, its not exactly flow thats the problem, i think its improvising your flow to be creative with the beat and trying different things which has changed. I hear alot of generic flows these days. A cat like banks on his albums is a good example, dudes album were garbage because even though he could spit alot of nice multis, dude always had the same flow pretty much and was never saying shit.
As for cats with great flow...Ludacris is a serious cat when is comes to flow. Game has a dope flow, sure he does immitate greats when he flows but who doesnt. Eminem spits like pac alot but noone mentions it. 50 tries spitting like pac back in the day or then he went on to ll and then he went onto mase etc. So alot of rappers copy or are influenced by past rappers but game does have great vocal presense. His flow is not ALWAYS great but he does have great vocal presense and came come great on a beat.
But there are better, like luda, snoops flow when he is on fire is ridiculous, t.i...though im not the biggest fan got a nice flow. Nas' flow has always been slightly underrated. Xzibit...chamlillionaire, even jigga has his own unique energy/live music sounding flow.
Good read still jrome 8)
pz
there's only ever been in tha history of hip hop been a handful of rappers with unique/diverse/whatever-you're-trying-to-say flows. what you're pretty much saying is that everybody from 81'-01' only had the most unique flows/swagger on the mic (from wat i know of your character). so wat if a rapper talk flows on tha track, wat is they saying that counts, and half of tha time not even that (you can only do so many renditions of songs- conscience; whatever). i just think you don't give anybody new a chance and that's cool, i'm like Jada i need to hear a bigger body of work to judge you b4 i call u 1 of tha greatest, which was wat i was saying about "illmatic" and it only have 9 songs but y'all refused to think thru about wat i was gettin at.
it sounds like some of y'all over analyze this game way too much. it ain't all technical, it's more all about tha feeling truely (even when it was just rapping on tha corner back in tha 70s/80s). there's just a big misunderstanding/misconception about hip hop and music in general. y'all r saying its about this and that (which is cool, have your opinion) but it's not really about that and that. Hip Hop isn't missing anything but better/broader representation on the TV and Radio *but that's nothing*, other than that what more could u ask for? you got tha history and the future in hip hop records (everything's covered as far as social commentary and "what's hip" for today) you got tha "arguments", you got tha stars, you got tha awards, you got diversity. i think y'all don't even know wat ur talking about really.
and last as far as flow is concerned, back then Hip Hop was still in it's fresh/baby/expansion-growing stages- so you didn't really have a true base/foundation on what was shitty and what was gritty and what was gonna stand tha test of time) now it's just only matured and it has many genres in it's self but it's all tha same really. so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself. Most of all you have to humble yourself, if you dont have that humbleness or understanding (if u kno wat i'm saying) you'll be listening to a modern day gem and be shitting on the shine. when you're 80 years old trust me, you'll have expanded your mind by then, u'll fight me on that now but you'll fuck wit me on that in a few decades. Hip Hop listeners were taught to be immature about the what is what of Hip Hop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04HhhJwjdZ8 - the grown folks (30 and up) is trippin' off this song up here, i've heard about this so many times in tha clubs. there's no way you can convince me otherwise (on how the people feel about today's game). and plz refraim from the conscience/lyricism argument, that's played out and so untrue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yfNzvNd4PA - people actually fuck with this song, and i aint mad at em and i cant blame em... i do 2 and i c y. im not saying YOU have 2 but you can't deny greatness/success.
hip hop came from the slaves, that's tha facts and im stickin 2 it
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^ i keep adding to that post 100 times since i posted it lol and again 2
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I swear every post of yours is just an excuse for you to link to some shitty song. Did you read my last post at all? For the last time, success does not equal greatness. The success of an artist does not determine lyrical ability. By your retarded logic Vanilla Ice is better than any southern rapper, and Britney Spears is better than the entire hip hop genre.
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His last post wasn't that bad and wasn't really an excuse for posting shitty songs. When Radiotube expressed his opinion in a different fashion as in the last post I, for the most part, agree with him. I don't think hip-hop isn't missing anything or at least I'm not convinced it's dead. That's always been my stance. I'd like to see it being represented better on the radio so the majority of people see the greatness of it instead of it being limited to club and gangster music. But, thanks to the internet people can find these artists - if they're so willing.
I have a problem with mainstream media in general. Part of that problem is it's representation of music which includes hip-hop but not limited to it.
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so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.
No one's talking about mixing or styles or accents. We're talking about skills.
Here's a sample from that song you linked too:
I got a question why they hatin on me,
I got a question why they hatin on me
I aint did nuthin to em, but count this money
And put my team on, now my whole clic stunnin
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Those are rhymes my five year old nephew could write. If you honestly believe those are good lyrics then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. Yeah a bunch of kids like that song. Yeah its getting spins. That doesn't make it GOOD. This is the only point I'm trying to make. I've got no problem with a kid like Soulja Boy selling records and making his money, but ignorant cats like radiotube run around trying to claim that he's good and that shit pisses me off.
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so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.
No one's talking about mixing or styles or accents. We're talking about skills.
Here's a sample from that song you linked too:
I got a question why they hatin on me,
I got a question why they hatin on me
I aint did nuthin to em, but count this money
And put my team on, now my whole clic stunnin
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Those are rhymes my five year old nephew could write. If you honestly believe those are good lyrics then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. Yeah a bunch of kids like that song. Yeah its getting spins. That doesn't make it GOOD. This is the only point I'm trying to make. I've got no problem with a kid like Soulja Boy selling records and making his money, but ignorant cats like radiotube run around trying to claim that he's good and that shit pisses me off.
Booger-snotsodie, stop looking for any old excuse to say whatever. a debate on who has the best lyrical content is 1 thing but hate/saying dumb shit outchur mouth is another. if u live in the REAL WORLD, then you would already be aware adults of all ages/races/creeds like that song just as much as the kids do. but u'r probably white, with a circle of people that's majority caucasian who don't really listen 2 rap like u or i do, and if u have any black friends they're probably 1 of those rock dudes. but this ain't battle about who is the most street between me and u, that's irrelevant. all im saying is who gives a fuck that in every song a rapper isn't rapping like Twista or spittin' bars like Cassidy or Eminem? i think you're just looking for answers to questions that burn your little heart out or your looking for something 2 do. y'all stay tryna pick a fight lol but it doesn't work, all i end up doing is educating people who share similar views as you (naive views). im not tryna make a deep intellectual debate every single time we differ on opinon (which seems to be everytime btw, it can't just be me). and last (for tonight and probably forever) like i said, that lyrical lyricism debate is dead... get limewire, get an iPod, better yet get on YouTube! or simmer thru myspace, you're bound 2 find the fresh new talent that you've never had. stop dreaming and living off of that Hip Hop Is Dead CD, there's very few in your cult. and "ice cream" by rae was some shit my 16 year old lil nigga from up tha street could make up, so kill that little kid shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77n23vZDT0o
let your collection from the 90's get some dust and pick up those albums and mixtapes from 2000-2009, you'll find classics and timeless music all day... tha realness. tha past 9 years of Hip Hop can't be that bad and everything before that was better than everything today, you're just obviously not looking for it, it's not hard, atleast that's wat y'all/u make it look like. (same goes 4 anybody) you see Enyce bitch ass ain't in here talkin that dum shit, bitch hands probably too sticky to type and he tryna get them keys unstuck from all that xvideos.com shit he be lookin' at. that bitch only jump in when everybody already knee deep.
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so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.
No one's talking about mixing or styles or accents. We're talking about skills.
Here's a sample from that song you linked too:
I got a question why they hatin on me,
I got a question why they hatin on me
I aint did nuthin to em, but count this money
And put my team on, now my whole clic stunnin
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Those are rhymes my five year old nephew could write. If you honestly believe those are good lyrics then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. Yeah a bunch of kids like that song. Yeah its getting spins. That doesn't make it GOOD. This is the only point I'm trying to make. I've got no problem with a kid like Soulja Boy selling records and making his money, but ignorant cats like radiotube run around trying to claim that he's good and that shit pisses me off.
Booger-snotsodie, stop looking for any old excuse to say whatever. a debate on who has the best lyrical content is 1 thing but hate/saying dumb shit outchur mouth is another. if u live in the REAL WORLD, then you would already be aware adults of all ages/races/creeds like that song just as much as the kids do. but u'r probably white, with a circle of people that's majority caucasian who don't really listen 2 rap like u or i do, and if u have any black friends they're probably 1 of those rock dudes. but this ain't battle about who is the most street between me and u, that's irrelevant. all im saying is who gives a fuck that in every song a rapper isn't rapping like Twista or spittin' bars like Cassidy or Eminem? i think you're just looking for answers to questions that burn your little heart out or your looking for something 2 do. y'all stay tryna pick a fight lol but it doesn't work, all i end up doing is educating people who share similar views as you (naive views). im not tryna make a deep intellectual debate every single time we differ on opinon (which seems to be everytime btw, it can't just be me). and last (for tonight and probably forever) like i said, that lyrical lyricism debate is dead... get limewire, get an iPod, better yet get on YouTube! or simmer thru myspace, you're bound 2 find the fresh new talent that you've never had. stop dreaming and living off of that Hip Hop Is Dead CD, there's very few in your cult. and "ice cream" by rae was some shit my 16 year old lil nigga from up tha street could make up, so kill that little kid shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77n23vZDT0o
let your collection from the 90's get some dust and pick up those albums and mixtapes from 2000-2009, you'll find classics and timeless music all day... tha realness. tha past 9 years of Hip Hop can't be that bad and everything before that was better than everything today, you're just obviously not looking for it, it's not hard, atleast that's wat y'all/u make it look like. (same goes 4 anybody) you see Enyce bitch ass ain't in here talkin that dum shit, bitch hands probably too sticky to type and he tryna get them keys unstuck from all that xvideos.com shit he be lookin' at. that bitch only jump in when everybody already knee deep.
I already told you I'm black. And what the fuck does my race matter anyways? You think rappers like Soulja Boy are making music for black people? Funny you talk about the streets. Soulja Boy isn't from the streets. He's from the suburbs. He makes music for the suburban white kids. The same white people you say shouldn't be talking about hip hop. Yeah that's right, they're the reason he's hot right now.
For the record I've never said the 90s is better or worse than the music today. I've got mixtapes and albums from all eras of hip hop. There's tons of good rappers out today. Soulja Boy isn't one of them.
And grown folk don't bump Soulja Boy, get off his nuts. How would I know? Because I'm grown and I'm around them. You're not, no matter what you claim. I don't give a fuck how old you claim to be, I KNOW you're a 90s baby. No one older than that could be so ignorant. Plus you just said booger-snotsodie.
You make the most ignorant comments on here like Gucci Mane could make an illmatic, hip hop came from the south, etc. We get it, you like Southern dick. Must be that good old Southern hospitality you crave. Which brings up the question, why the fuck do you hang around here on a west coast forum, especially when not a single person here likes you or feels what you have to say? Do you like being a mark?
I only pick a fight with you when you say stupid shit. Is it my fault that you say stupid shit on almost every post? If you've got a problem with me go over to Entertainment and Gaming or Train of Thought cause I don't roll there. But don't give me any grief because I can back up my opinion and you can't.
Piece.
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^ You Lose!^ *in my super mario voice
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While I don't listen to soulja boy or gucci man because I don't find them to be good or entertaining I can't say they're not hip-hop. I mean this shit started off with kool herc breaking to have a good time. People got down. Hence, b-boys exist. It's an essential element to hip-hop that most of this southern movement has focused back on. I guess if we got technical the lack of breaks, sampling, and scratching could limit them for being classified as hip-hop.
It's an interesting argument. Don't let your feelings get caught up.
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Who said Soulja Boy isn't hip hop? The kid's rhymes are weak is all i said. You gotta feel me on that.
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Who said Soulja Boy isn't hip hop? The kid's rhymes are weak is all i said. You gotta feel me on that.
No, man, we're on the same page when it comes to the quality of rapping. I don't really think you and radiotube are arguing about the same thign. If I may simplify the argument, Tube is just telling everyone to shut up and get over it because it's really easy to find those technically skilled rappers out there now and you don't have to rely on the radio. Where as you are saying that the mainstream aren't the most powerful rappers or they're not even MC's. Really I don't disagree with either of you because you both speak a truth.
I still think the media has a responsibility to the public in its presentation of information from news to music. If it were attempting to do its job at a high caliber we'd see the diversity of hip-hop. And, this is where Radiotube would say it's irrelevant because we have the internet and if we the people really wanted to listen to the diversity of hip-hop the radio would adopt to the masses.
At least that's what I think radiotube and you are arguing.
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Who said Soulja Boy isn't hip hop? The kid's rhymes are weak is all i said. You gotta feel me on that.
No, man, we're on the same page when it comes to the quality of rapping. I don't really think you and radiotube are arguing about the same thign. If I may simplify the argument, Tube is just telling everyone to shut up and get over it because it's really easy to find those technically skilled rappers out there now and you don't have to rely on the radio. Where as you are saying that the mainstream aren't the most powerful rappers or they're not even MC's. Really I don't disagree with either of you because you both speak a truth.
I still think the media has a responsibility to the public in its presentation of information from news to music. If it were attempting to do its job at a high caliber we'd see the diversity of hip-hop. And, this is where Radiotube would say it's irrelevant because we have the internet and if we the people really wanted to listen to the diversity of hip-hop the radio would adopt to the masses.
At least that's what I think radiotube and you are arguing.
Pretty much, but technically the Radio has adopted to the internet (with XM Radio, Serius, etc.). And not to mention you can listen to Hip Hop radio stations from all over the world on the internet. The internet has everything you need, and most (not all) people have access to tha internet. Even in the middle of Watts they have a library with Internet access. The stuff they play on TV/Radio is just for show, which is why every song sounds the same, that's the same thing that can be said for Country or Pop music or Rock music, Hip Hop is no different really. I know on 92.3 in Baltimore they intertwine the old and the new on a daily basis. But mainstream is mainstream big deal, why are people so concentrated on what's on the TV/Radio, you have a CD Player/mp3 player so what do u keep bitching for? The Radio/TV music you hear is meant (on purpose) to make you dance/feel good, the days of immediate social commentary is over (that's what the Disc Jockey's/Personalities are for). It's 2009 and the game has adapted. Back before not everybody had access to the Web so the masses couldn't do what we do today (download music 4 free) so the radio/tv had to do everything to sell the product which was to satisfy everybody's taste, now with the game today the product pretty much sells it's self. Artist sell mixtapes out the trunk and with the help of a street team (which is how they make their money). they'll get a buzz out there with a catchy track to get people's attention and make moves (however they do) off of that, or make whatever's hot at the moment; even Papoose cashed in on the "hip hop is dead" theme in 07'/08'. It's 2009 and people gotta stop bitchin' and slow down 4 a second and realize what's already on their plate. Stop tryna come back with a counter argument bcuz i'm tellin u how the game is today and not how u think it should be. You really are taking this shit too personality and handling it way too immature, you callin' me out there on some little kid shit just makes u look like a hypocrite everytime u respond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmwdx4Fy_6Y
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Who are you talking about?
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when I think of Rappers with DOPE FLOW I think of shit like Slick Rick, some old school Snoop shit, or some old Bootcamp shit....those dudes flowed sick over beats. All Redmans old shit from like Muddy Waters and shit, that was dope flow
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WhoWhat are you talking about?
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Who are you talking about?
i'm just speakin' on tha game brutha... i aint callin' nobody out, except that she thang in tha last part
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If you read most of my responses on the west coast section you'd know I don't give a fuck who's getting airplay or who's considered hot right now. I don't even listen to the radio anymore. I'm the one telling everyone over there that the west coast doesn't need to come back to the mainstream, its fine where its at with everyone doing the independent thing.
Action I think you're the one misunderstanding where radiotube is coming from. Go back and read all his posts. He posts Lil Webbie and Gucci Mane videos and calls them "great".
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If you read most of my responses on the west coast section you'd know I don't give a fuck who's getting airplay or who's considered hot right now. I don't even listen to the radio anymore. I'm the one telling everyone over there that the west coast doesn't need to come back to the mainstream, its fine where its at with everyone doing the independent thing.
Action I think you're the one misunderstanding where radiotube is coming from. Go back and read all his posts. He posts Lil Webbie and Gucci Mane videos and calls them "great".
aww man u'z a bitch. u must be a black person instead of a nigga. i'm a nigga and i'm proud homey! Webbie and Gucci got that ready rock 4 yo azz nigga, get hip!
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okay, i give up on this thread. i'm lost. i'm wrong. wipe me down. props to the back and fourth attempts of communication.
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okay, i give up on this thread. i'm lost. i'm wrong. wipe me down. props to the back and fourth attempts of communication.
lol... i love this game
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okay, i give up on this thread. i'm lost. i'm wrong. wipe me down. props to the back and fourth attempts of communication.
lol... i love this game
you mean your game of writing 10 paragraph essays that don't make the slightest bit of sense & then people don't even know how to respond to such idiocracy & you think you "won the battle of the boards", lmao!
wipe me down.
THAT'S A CLASSIC SONG! ASK MY MAYNE RADIOTUBE! :D
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cham click youz a fool
you still slaughter-housin masters of tubes?
GOOD LOOKIN ON THE COMEDY THO
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cham click youz a fool
you still slaughter-housin masters of tubes?
GOOD LOOKIN ON THE COMEDY THO
;D 8)
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cham click youz a fool
you still slaughter-housin masters of tubes?
GOOD LOOKIN ON THE COMEDY THO
;D 8)
the glee club is in the house!
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cham click youz a fool
you still slaughter-housin masters of tubes?
GOOD LOOKIN ON THE COMEDY THO
;D 8)
i don't sing... ??? :laugh:
the glee club is in the house!
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im not tryna make a deep intellectual debate every single time we differ on opinon
Lol this translates as "Yeah I'm an ignorant fuck and I get my panties in a twist anytime someone points it out." You don't want it with me.
Funny every thread ends up the same. Everyone rips your pathetic opinion to shreds and you can't even defend yourself so you resort to trying to diss people. People on a forum you don't even know. Well I know something about you now. You're a nigga. Nigga please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zNB70P2kc
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^now that's what i call a youtube link! ;) 8)
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im not tryna make a deep intellectual debate every single time we differ on opinon
Lol this translates as "Yeah I'm an ignorant fuck and I get my panties in a twist anytime someone points it out." You don't want it with me.
Funny every thread ends up the same. Everyone rips your pathetic opinion to shreds and you can't even defend yourself so you resort to trying to diss people. People on a forum you don't even know. Well I know something about you now. You're a nigga. Nigga please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zNB70P2kc
A nigga that smokes crack judging by his sig and long winded rants that go nowhere.
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well not the biggest jay fan and that song is aite but im assumin rapsodie threw it up cuz of the name of the track more than anything
but on any given day of the week....haha i was gon say jay>>>jeezy, wayne, t.i., rick ross etc...
but you already know
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I'm famous !!!
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^how is that relevant to the topic at all? ;)
:sign_banhim: ;D
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^how is that relevant to the topic at all? ;)
:sign_banhim: ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIDRUrT4QT0&feature=related